>Banished all the original Terran XIXth Legion spess mehreens to deep space because reasons
>Years down the line, Raven Guard start having a bit of a serious numbers problem
>Thinks best solution is clearly genetic manipulation
>Ravens end up with most mutated geneseed not in a Chaos Space Marine
>This goes about as well as one would expect
>Finally loses his shit, fucks off into space, quoth the Raven "Nevermore"
Why is Corax so retarded?
>>44048975
Grief fucks with people man.
His Legion was sent to the forefront of the Drop Site Massacre.Which is Emperor levels of retarded actually. Send the sneaky cheeky breakie Beakies to a full frontal assault.He wanted to have his Legion help the Imperium so he tried.
I wont fault him for that. Corax is one of the more sympathetic Primarchs in my eyes.
>>Banished all the original Terran XIXth Legion spess mehreens to deep space because reasons
Its because they were too brutal. But at least he made the Carcharodons eventually.
>>44049209
>But at least he made the Carcharodons eventually
Space Sharks are confirmed loyalist Night Lords.
>>44049380
>>44049420
There are some loyalist NL among the spess sharks, but they're primarily RG successors.
>>44049469
>There are some loyalist NL among the spess sharks
>>44049209
>Which is Emperor levels of retarded actually. Send the sneaky cheeky breakie Beakies to a full frontal assault.
He didn't think that was going to be needed. He thought that the other legions helping him, Vulkan, and Ferrus out wouldn't betray them and make things quick and easy.
>>44049380
>>44049486
Then why didn't the Emperor send the Stealth Legion in the second wave? Or deploy them on the other side of the planet to make fuller use of their guerrilla tactica.
Sending the stealth legion to a full frontal assault, at all, is a terrible choice.
>>44049515
Emps didn't decide anything. Ferrus did. Big E was on the Golden Throne and in shock about this mess Horus started.
>Sending the stealth legion to a full frontal assault, at all, is a terrible choice.
Same thing Corvus said to Horus that one time. Terran marines still said "Dad, Horus is based and if he says frontal assault at the front gate is a good idea, it probably is."
>>44049573
Also the bait picture was for >>44049380
just to clear things up.
>>44049573
>Same thing Corvus said to Horus that one time. Terran marines still said "Dad, Horus is based and if he says frontal assault at the front gate is a good idea, it probably is."
This makes me like Corax a lot less.
>>44049469
Doubtful there are any loyalist Night Lords still alive. You can headcanon anything you want, but this ones a stretch.
>>44049599
They're the ones who wanted to rush the gate like Orks hopped up on cocaine. But the real reason Corvus took the job was Perturabo. He hated the MK6 armor and wanted a heavier armor with frontal assault in mind. He just goaded Sneaky Beakie Prime to do it.
>>44049656
I am more glad than ever I don't read the HH Series.
>>44049675
FW really but you're not missing much in the HH series. Corvus did nearly gut Lorgar but Curze saved Word Bear Prime but later regretted saving Worst Primarch when he saw how into Chaos Worst Legion fell into.
>>44049728
That fight was sweet, Corvus and Konrad were like twins fighting.
>>44050281
Why the two weren't bros is beyond me.
>>44050508
Konrad had two issues that broke him for the rest of his life. He lack any sort of education or upbringing and the visions of his future that drove him ever on wards to madness.
>>44050607
Yeah, and?
>>44050833
He is not a boy dress like girl anon.
>>44050860
Wait, what do you think I'm >implying here?
>>44051149
It just fit a little too well.
>>44051203
So Lion is a trap, got it
>>44051285
Curze and the Lion both.
>Anti-slavery as fuck
>Legion used actually brilliant tactics
>Ousted all potential traitors in his legion
>Nearly murderfucked Lorgar
>Suffered grievous losses and still want to fight during the Heresy
>Earned the Emperor's trust to raid the goddamn primarch labs
>Eventually fucked over by Alpharius and self-exiled himself in shame
How is this man not one of the best primarchs?
>>44051490
Horus also "earned the Emperor's trust" on many manners. Make of this what you will.
>>44051591
Corax earned his during the most tumultuous time in humanity's history. I'd say that's quite a feat. It also turned out to be justified.
>>44051490
Nobody likes emos or Slavs
>>44050607
>that time Curze basically raped Dorn
>>44051790
Corvus isn't Slavic in the least bit though.
>>44051490
Hey, Corax is top-tier.
So are his sons. I'd put them up their with the Ultras any day and fuck the haters.
All that they're missing is a junior-ninja division of Sororitas to recon things the scouts aren't in place for and they're good.
>>44051833
>socialist
>wears black with white trim
>sneaky cheeky breeki
>not Slavic in the least
>>44051858
How is he socialist?
>>44051948
Apparently sharing a description with a priest means you demand universal healthcare coverage.
>>44051858
I don't think Corax and friends are supposed to have any political allegory. I see them as the Romantic legion.
>>44051948
Apparently freeing slaves from the coal mine is now socialist. He's probably American.
>>44051982
does he cry a single tear whenever someone litters in the warp?
>>44051968
That makes sense.
Former slaves elevated to warrior poets who swoop in and save day.
Primarch was a man of "great passion" and a powerful drive to justice but who was broken by his own mistakes.
Brooding counterpart to the shiny Blood Angels, but no less noble.
>>44052030
That, and the blatant Poe and Frankenstein references.
would he be proud or disappoint of the current RG?
>>44052825
Proud.
They hunt the Emperor's enemies, prioritize the rescue of the helpless, scare the fuck out of the enemy, and have their own uniquely badass fighting art.
The RG do the job without needing to bend or break any Codex restrictions either, which says a lot for their ingenuity.
>>44052860
Well, they aren't self-loathing, cyber-augmenting, sociopaths who feel the need to execute civilians for not being able to defend themselves.
>>44052891
They're like the pale, gothy friend of that black guy who's really into dragons and refugee causes.
>>44052939
Vulkan would've been the best bro in high school.
>>44052947
Sure.
Got a hand to help out with any time, can mediate when that guy with the buzz cut who already wants to be ROTC starts to argue politics with the rich Italian kid (he says he's "Roman").
He's intense enough that Mr. Sleeveless Viking (named for his braided mustache and insistence on never wearing arms on _anything_) isn't in a hurry to challenge him to a pull-up contest, but chill enough that the kind of pretty ("I'm into abstract painting and hair styling") lad who's on the wrestling team isn't set off by anything.
Blessed are the peace makers, and all that.
>>44052860
I disagree; only because modern RG have serious trust issues with anyone not them. Nobody trusts them because they have a reputation of using allies as bait etc etc etc. But Chapter Master Shrike is going to goldenchild fix their reputation apparently. SO Corax might dig Shrike, but til then RG were still RG but didnt really have a brotherly relationship with other chapters. Though thats really a problem of 40k in general.
Source: Kauyon
>>44050607
That, and the huge hard-on he had for mutilating "criminals" (and their families, if I remember right). That's kind of fucked-up.
>>44051832
Talk shit get shit.
>>44049573
>that pic
>I PITY THE FOO
>>44059161
I strangely like that picture of Ferrus.
>>44049573
>>44059231
Incidentally, does anyone have the screencap of that guy who started crying at a party over the death of Ferrus?
>>44062411
>>44062411
My thanks Anon.
>>44062411
Roll with it.
>>44062411
>mfw
>>44063292
The girl that draws these is cute
>>44063563
as cute as Corax?
>>44063667
Hmm... Maybe
>>44050281
which book is this from? i wanna read it and dony know exactly where is it.
>>44066827
The First Heretic. You think positive representations of primarchs would come from anyone other than ADB?
>>44063906
>dick eldar wych/10
>>44050508
They were on the wrong ends of the galaxy and never really got to interact.
You can see a lot of problems developing in the fact that primarchs who were kind of outcasts were always campaigning with primarchs who disagreed with them, while the loyalists often got to travel with really agreeable guys.
>>44048975
Wait why didn't he try to link back with the old terran elements of his legion to use their uncorrupted gene seed instead in the hopes of saving his legion?
>>44049380
Nope.
There are Forge World, Horus Heresy and Deathwatch sources that confirm that they are very heavily implied to be Raven Guard Successors with undamaged geneseed.
>>44071517
probably wouldve taken a while to find them assuming they didnt keep in contact with the guy who banished them
I'd like to see something about the RG taking on the Alpha legion at some point. Show that they're not invincible just because they all have the same name. Take them down a peg or two.
>>44071779
In Hunt for Voldorius they team up with the White Scars to fuck an Alpha Legion Daemon Prince.
>>44071883
Yeah, but the focus is on the Scars, the RG barely get a mention.
>>44071898
To be fair, if anyone needed attention more than the Raven Guard, it's the Scars
>>44071779
>Take them down a peg or two
Why would you take the best legion down a peg?
That aside, we all agree that the iron snakes are basically alpha legion successors, right?
>>44072132
>Why would you take the best legion down a peg?
Because everyone ripped their dicks off when the Ultramarines got the creator's pet treatment, and the same thing shouldn't happen to the AL as well.
>>44072132
No. Based on what bullshit? Because they have a snake on their symbol? I'm pretty sure their heraldry is even mentioned among the Ultramarines in Know No Fear.
>>44072299
>>44072132
I swear these heretics and their crazy theories
Why do you think Shrike seems so determined to protect the people of the Imperium against all odds, unlike most of the other Space Marines?
>>44072344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koJlIGDImiU
>>44072321
Do you have a "Dude, let me in. I'm a fairy." version with the Alphic Hydras?
>>44072299
>>44072321
Iron snakes
>based on 10 man squads (like the small cells of the alphas)
>heavily influenced by the ancient Greeks (alpha and omega are the first and last of the Greek alphabet)
>a snake is basically a small hydra
>single operatives are sent out to deal with shit
>bros to normal humans
>the ultramarine connection mentioned is just a similar name, Damocles and the snake isn't exceptional as heraldry
>they respect girlyman but don't claim to be his descendants and it would be an alpha legion thing to do so since he hit them hard and despite everything they are loyal and respect the loyalists
>since the legion is still loyal having a chapter on the inside of the imperium is a pretty good idea, though they could have very well lost that connection or the knowledge of it by now
>their predecessor chapter is unknown
Iron snakes = alpha legion confirmed
>>44072321
I'd like to see that end up as one big red herring.
>alpha legion commander springs his trap
>alphic hydras respond to none of the pre-programmed kill phrases in his book, proceed to humiliate the legion cell
>turns out the name was just a strange coincidence
>>44072944
REASONABLE DEDUCTION
>>44072944
What about the James bond shit doe?
>>44071883
What are these?
>>44073588
really, really bad rhino art
>>44050281
Corvus got beaten hard and had to flee though.
>>44072944
>>they respect girlyman but don't claim to be his descendants and it would be an alpha legion thing to do so since he hit them hard and despite everything they are loyal and respect the loyalists
If the story about that battle where Girlyman beat them is true, then Girlyman could easily be one of the Twins. Which would explain the respect.
>>44072944
Nope.
Iron Snakes have been confirmed to be Ultramarines successors.
>>44074632
Source?
>>44074632
German lexicanum:
>Die Iron Snakes sind ein Space Marine Nachfolgeorden der Ultramarines aus der zweiten Gründung, der eine sehr eigentümliche und stark vom Codex Astartes abweichende Ordensstruktur besitzt.
> der eine sehr eigentümliche und stark vom Codex Astartes abweichende Ordensstruktur besitzt.
A strange Chapter structure that differs strongly from the Codex Astartes
English Lexicanum:
The first days of the Iron Snakes are difficult to pin down; reportedly a Second Founding chapter, their Legion of origin is unknown. Although they pay respect to Roboute Guilliman, it is uncertain if they are an Ultramarine descendant, particularly as they are a non-Codex Chapter.
Totally Ultramarine genseed there.
>>44074683
>>44074715
The very fact that the Damocles Squad that was led by Captain Saur Damocles of the Ultramarines is more than enough to confirm they are Ultramarine successors.
>>44074759
>Captain Saur Damocles
And what makes you believe he is not an Alpha Legion infiltrator?
>>44074806
He's too Athenian to be Lernese, if you know what I mean.
>>44074806
Look Marc, just because that one captain was an Alpha Legionnaire doesn't mean all of them are.
>>44074806
Burden of proof is on you for that, man. I get the memes, but sometimes a duck is just a duck.
Unconventional tactics and divergent organization aren't a point in the legion's favor, since the Ultramarine's successors are quite well varied in their tactics and level of adherence to the good book.
>>44074759
Their chapter master is a meter taller than a normal marine. What marines are noted for being tall again?
>>44074839
>>44074840
>>44074865
>>44074759
>Dan Abnett hat jedoch in seinem Blog am 20. Oktober 2007 bekannt gegeben, dass noch nicht entschieden sei von welcher Gensaat die Iron Snakes abstammen.
On 20th October 2007 Dan Abnett said on his blog that it isn't decided which genseed fathered the Iron Snakes.
>>44074884
As in average taller than standard marines? Dunno, never looked into it that much.
>>44074886
Still the fact they have connections between the two and etc. gives enormous leanings.
>>44074884
>What marines are noted for being tall again?
that one bloke in the exorcists
I think there's a IF captain in the heresy that's huge
>>44074886
And this somehow proves that captain was an alpha legion infiltrator and the snakes are totally an alpha legion successor? Going to need more than that.
>>44074952
No, but it shows that it isn't decided and since its almost 10 years since Abnett wrote that (terrible btw) book and that comment we probably will never learn the truth
>>44074934
There are some notably tall marines in all Legions. But there is one entire Legion with tall marines and that is the Alpha Legion.
>>44075005
But this isn't an entire chapter of tall marines. It's one tall marine.
>>44075033
Yes, its leader... and if he would be an AL than the whole chapter would be more or less serving the AL
But we can't know for sure.
The fact that this chapter has lots of common ground with the Alpha Legion while being written by Abnett who also wrote most of the newer fluff for the Alpha Legion makes it kinda suspicious.
>>44073588
The artist is somehow incapable of making decent quality textures.
>>44050508
One is by the book primarch.
One is insane guy who likes to kill and torture.
Yeah, bff material
>>44075278
Corax and Alpharius should have been good buddies though, but apparently they never met.
>>44074759
>The very fact that the Damocles Squad that was led by Captain Saur Damocles of the Ultramarines
Not a fact, just your headcanon, fukkboy
>>44076215
Doesn't change the fact he also has a symbol that is suspiciously similar to the IS Chapter Symbol.
White background included.
>>44074931
>As in average taller than standard marines?
THE ALPHA LEGION
So their primarch can hide between them
>>44076241
And a hydra is suspiciously similar to a snake, especially those used on their livery
>>44076245
But Alpharius was barely different in size from a standard muhreen.
>>44076288
Because his legionaires were especially tall and he was the shortest of the primarchs
>>44076287
> Hydra has three heads
> Snake has one
> Alpha Legion's is a three headed Hydra
> Iron Snake's is a snake with ONE head
I swear this is getting out of control. I can understand 55th Alphic Hydras, but Iron Snakes?
Come on. Not even a warp dust infused Kaldor Draigo would go that far to come up with such conclusions.
>>44076333
All Alphas were the tallest then?
>>44076408
>All Alphas were the tallest then?
They were the biggest of big guys
In general
>>44076408
le everything is alpharius xd
>>44076447
Wow, that's something.
>>44076484
And thus Alpharius is everywhere.
>>44076447
Gotta need a source on that.
>>44076530
The novel Legion, written by Dan Abnett (who also wrote the novel about the Iron Snakes with their exceptionally tall chapter master)
>>44076569
Ah, I guess Uriel Ventris' friend is an Alpha Legionnaire as well then.
And every Son of Antaeus is an alpha legionnaire.
And every damn marine that is tall.
Do you even realise how dumb that sounds?
>>44077103
How hard is it for you to understand that Abnett built in those clues in his novels so he might be able to reveal that theory to be true some day.. or maybe not.
So, the Raven Guard has the former 3rd Company Captain as their Chapter Master now. Any big change?
>>44071568
This, the entry in the third forgeworld book pretty muc hints that the former terran chapter master founded them.
It notes they are part of a ''nomad predation'' pattern fleet which is the same term used in the Characodons entry in the Badab wars book.
>>44077919
Yep. Added that the whole way they were really founded was that Corax disliked the Raven Guards that would become Carcharodons because they were too similar to the overlords of Kiavahr, so he send them away into deep space.
>>44077566
> 8th ED Codex hits the Shelves
> Shadow Master Shrike with a buffed up profile
>>44076447
For you.
>>44078606
My man
>>44076408
>Come on. Not even a warp dust infused Kaldor Draigo would go that far to come up with such conclusions.
That what the Alpha Legion wants you to think
>>44071779
If four of them were able to royally fuck over the RG I'd love to see what more of them can do.
>>44074931
>Still the fact they have connections between the two and etc. gives enormous leanings.
No. It exactly means the contrary, that there is no leanings toward any choice whatsoever. Fuck these fanboys will try anything, I swear.
>>44071581
Yea but wouldn't it have made more sense to have Corax disappear during his quest to get the terran elements back instead of having him go full autismo and run away with some edgy as fuck last words? Man I don't understand GW writers sometimes.
>>44081554
You mean the Terran element that didn't exist at the time that Corax's original disappearance was written? You mean the disappearance that hasn't been written about in modern HH lore?
>>44072851
>>44071517
Cause they was crackas, and the grandson of a slave taking sonuvabitch is just as much a cracka as his granpappy.
>>44081743
... Yup that exact disappearance.
>>44074806
I can assure you that Captain Damocles is a fine upstanding Ultramarine who I have served alongside for many years.
>>44075327
Not as far as Corax knows.
>>44076530
Index Astartes mentions the Legionaires as being tall and strong.
>>44082072
Says the man who forgot his pic like an idiot.
