Question /tg/: Can Grey Knights be Inquisitors, or promoted to being one? And if not, why? They seem like the perfect guys for the job. They are incorruptible, master psykers who fear not the daemon, are already well versed in the ways of the Inquisition. You wouldn't have to worry about them falling to chaos, or going radical and trying to have sexy times with the aliens. Hell, the only faults I can see in them is their being Astartes, but other than that, why not?
>>44020926
I think the answer must be on that splatbok for Dark Heresy that let's you play as a Grey knight, but I can't check it atm.
>>44020926
Being an Inquisitor is 95% investigating and 5% killing. Being a Grey Knight is more or less the opposite of that.
being an inquisitor involves something called paper work
space marines arent too big on that
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>>44021356
A combination of these two.
Space Marines, Grey Knights even more so, are built from the ground upwards to be the hammer of the Emperor. To them everything is a nail. They lack the mental aptitudes.
Maybe another chapter that has to interact with humanity more on a semi-social basis and whose members actually have to understand how humanity works might just about be able to break their habits of thought and make a decent Inquisitor.
Oddly enough that describes both Salamanders and Space Wolves although the idea of a retired Space Wolf gonging Inquisitor would probably fill the rest of the Inquisition with utter dread.
All in all its probably never happened before, probably will never happen and if your looking for Inquisitorial recruits the Adeptus Astartes is pretty barren ground.
>>44021621
I get Salamanders but Space Wolves? Granted I know shit about them
>>44021661
They socially interact often with baseline Imperials, don't get brain raped out of their humanity as much as many chapters, retain much of their old human personalities and there is even a branch that is dedicated to looking after Navigators that have to have at least some basic political skills to survive more than a few days.
The problem is that they tend to go with gut feelings, respect no authority but their own and see no problems with killing someone they disagree with in a non-combat setting.
They are already halfway to being Inquisitors in their attitudes despite the fact that the Wolves and the Inquisition absolutely fucking hate each other.
>>44021811
That is why they hate each other.
>>44021811
>Wolves and the Inquisition absolutely fucking hate each other.
And for good reason. The inquisition is filled with fucking dickheads.
>>44022076
As are the Wolves, they're perfect for the job!
>>44020926
Isn't their existence supposed to be super secret or something? Wouldn't one of them being and Inquisitor draw more notice to them?
>>44020926
>>44021356
>>44021621
they're meant to kill the crazy chaos demon cultist chit that's unleashed and cant be killed by normal humans
>>44020926
As I remember, Justicar Alaric may or may not become one in the future since the whole Dark Mechanicus thing.
>>44021621
I'm a 1KSons fan and I find the idea of a Space Wolf inquisitor hilarious
>>44022383
I can see him shooting for the job as a personal version Of caligula's horse
>>44021621
>a retired Space Wolf
That's a funny way to spell dead.
>>44026399
>Dead
>Not "missing in action"
>>44026399
>one day, on Fenris...
"Everyone... I've fought alongside you all for near on a half millennium. I am proud to call you my brothers. For the glory of our sacred Father, the Imperium and the Emperor himself I have raised my blade and bolter on a thousand thousand battlefields. And each time I have returned here, to home. But there is a darkness in my heart that I must banish. A secret that I must let out into the world. Brothers...I am actually more of a cat person, dogs and wolves just don't appeal to me as much."
>the next day, the quoted brother was "retired" and encouraged to spend his days in prayer. Somewhere else. Far away. And regularly inspected for corruption.
>>44020926
They're Marines, they're built do fight, not to lead. That was what they were made for. Even Girlyman decreed that Marines would not have a High Lord or hold administrative power in the Imperium. their function is to fight for humanity and protect it, not rules it.
Being incorruptable fighting machine is not what the Inquisition is about. Their job is to protect humanity from threats from outside and within. It's, as >>44021356 said, mostly detective work, studying the enemy, allocating resources, etc. When they need to fight, that's when they call on the military or local officials.
>>44020926
No. Separation of power is a big deal in the Imperium; it's why you won't see Astartes piloting Titans or sitting with the High Lords. They don't even have command of Crusades very often.
After the Horus Heresy, rowboat girlyman was understandably paranoid about putting too much power in Space Marines' hands ever again.
>>44028757
Rowboat also made the entire Adeptus Astartes so inefficient there is an argument to be made that he helped keep the Imperium fucked.
>>44028811
>inefficient
By giving them pretty fucking free reign to operate? Sure, they're limited in size, but they still get shit done and chapters coordinate. DA and Ultra chapters are known for keeping in touch and helping each other out.
It's not optimal, but seeing how many chapters have fallen, limiting the exposure to a chapter rather than legions is much better.
>>44021621
Exactly, because the Emperor's Gift is Asperger's Syndrome and an inability to relate to mortals under almost any circumstance. They don't even get along with other Astartes.
>>44030960
I only now notice they put a fucking bolter on the end of a spear.
That cannot be a useful weapon. It can't.
>>44026399
An argument could be the way the Wolves handle their Scouts, as an elite you select into based on talent and temperment rather than a developmental stage, would give you the occasional loner who could be talent-scouted into an Inquisitorial retinue as a sniper and close-target recce specialist. But I have a hard time seeing some loner Wolf who likes going for month long walks in frozen woods with a sniper rifle having the human intelligence skills to sit down and swindle information out of mortal citizens.
But most old Wolves are Long Fangs, Priests, Guard/Lords, or sleeping on red snow with their threads cut.
>>44031043
That's a halberd and/or glaive you fucking pleb.
>>44031043
Eh, might make aiming tricky without a sighting gimmick in the helm, but historically all the bayonet was was a gimmick to turn an empty rifle back into a spear. There are dumber things.
>>44030960
I can't tell if Emps' eyes are shut or glowing.
>>44031043
Bolters don't need to be aimed with sights. There's a targeting device above the barrel and it's connected to the operator's HUD, giving them real time trajectory calculations and shit. You can shoot pinpoint shots from the hip just fine.
There is shots of custodes with normal bolters, so those halberds are probably more for fighting with the ability to shoot in a pinch, rather than shooty weapons that can stab if needed.
>>44020926
dark angels do a lot of the inquisitions dirty work while being astartes if that's what you're looking for.
>>44031484
>do a lot of the inquisitions dirty work
What? They're trying to avoid the Inquisition as much as possible, so that their dark, dirty, filthy secret wouldn't get out. In the old days, when they had the Hunt for the Fallen special rule, if you included Inquisitors in your army the rule would not take effect, because they had to act all cool. In the codex it talks about how High Lords find them suspicious and ignore their requests for new chapters.
Minotaurs, Red Hunters, Exorcists, etc. is where you'll find your Inquisitorial butt boys.
>>44029099
Dark Angels only pay lipservice to the Codex. Internally, they still operate as a Legion.
>>44031484
The Dark Angels regularly make Inquisitors disappear when they start getting too nosy.
>>44031611
The DA have a bunch of successors though. Also pretty sure they have way more than a thousand Marines in any one of their Chapters.
>>44031757
No, they're accused of operating as a Legion. The inner circle of the chapters merely coordinate with each other in their quest to hunt for the Fallen and keep their secret.
>>44031855
Yes, but they could have more if the High Lords trusted them more.
>>44022076
To be fair, which faction in 40k isn't at least 51% dickhead?
>>44032275
I'd say the guard unless you're only counting those who live more than 12 hours, as the officer staff is completely loaded with dicks,
>>44031611
dark angels are the best chapter at locating and suppressing chaos uprisings efficiently. aka shit the inquisition is supposed to be doing, i never said they were the inquisition or friends with them, but on that note practically all chapters dislike the inquisition and the dark angels dislike them the best too. that or the space wolves lol.
>>44031809
dark angels make anyone who gets too nosy disappear not just the inquisition.
>>44032275
Eldar towards other eldar
Necrons
Orks
Tau
>>44032372
>as the officer staff is completely loaded with dicks
To be fair, I think any officer staff in the IG has the right to be dicks considering the shit they deal with on a day by day basis. However there are the occasional assholes that got their rank because they knew somebody. The Imperium is filled to the brim with Nepotism and bureaucracy.
>>44032637
>>44032896
But everyone know the Imperium is full of dicks out of necessity. Pointing it out isn't heresy unless a Commissar is nearby.Everything is heresy near an Inquisitor.
>>44021621
>retired?
space marines don't retire, hell even in death they may still serve the emperor as a dreadnought. Now maybe some chapters have benefits like sick days and vacation so maybe if they save up those days off for a decade or to they could pretend to be an inquisitor for a month or two. Oddly enough I cannot imagine what a space marine does on vacation.
>>44032642
By sheer force of attrition, a fair percentage of Guard officers would have to be at least competent leaders, if not actually loyal to their men. The Guard is outgunned and outnumbered often enough that "fix bayonets, I can always call up reinforcements later" is a bad strategy to overuse. The stereotypical, WWI-esque Guard commander might win a few specific campaigns where circumstances favour the tactic, but in general he'll quickly wind up with a massacred regiment, censure from his superiors, or an 'accident' while he's inspecting the front lines.
Highlighting the stupidity and ruthlessness of Guard commanders is all very well from a grimdark perspective, but 40k is so ridiculously brutal that sheer Darwinism would make most (veteran) Guard regiments pretty well-run.
>>44020926
Grey Knights specifically need to be and stay what they are. The Codex goes into this a little bit, but new recruits don't actually retain any part of their pre-induction identity. Their mind is overwritten with another personality that matches a name they inherit from the dead Marine they're replacing. These identities and names all interact to make the Chapter as a whole into one big, extremely complex, supremely powerful hexagrammatic ward. They explain very little about how this actually works, strongly implying that even the Inquisition barely understands all this well enough to keep it running by rote, but the notion of a Grey Knight going off and doing something other than being a Grey Knight... Well I imagine it wouldn't be allowed, even if it were theoretically possible.
If you're spit-balling ideas for a Campaign, nothing says you can't throw a Deathwatch Kill-Team at something that was suspected to be Xenos but turned out to be Malleus. That sort of thing happens all the time in the Inquisition. You'd be free to draw members from pretty much any Chapter but the Grey Knights, though...
This thread has gotten so far away from OP's question that it's not even funny.
Except for that Space Wolf inquisitor idea, that sounds fucking fun.
>>44033014
Technically I think Marines can retire, but all retirement means is that they take a more active non-combat role within the Chapter, mostly because the cause of said retirement rendered them unable to fight.
>>44033014
>>44034480
Not to mention there are chapters whose whole shtick is they loan marines out to other factions (training new chapters for example) with the benefit that those marines don't count towards anyone's 1,000 active soldier cap.
>>44020926
The Inquisition is there to find the problems, the GKs are the hyper specialized rapid response team they send to take out the problems. Just because GKs are "familiar" with what the "I" do doesn't make them suitable inquisitors. You don't take your counter terrorist SWAT team and make them check fucking luggage at the airport, do you?
>>44032388
[citation needed]
Also, I do hope you understand the difference between "doing the inquisitions dirty work" and "being good at locating and suppressing chaos uprisings".
>>44032642
>The Imperium is filled to the brim with Nepotism
Obviously.
The Emperor booted competent leaders out of command of their Legions so his children could play at being generals.
Nepotism is the founding principle of the Imperium.
>>44037624
the inquisitions dirty work is locating and suppressing chaos uprisings.
>>44039285
I don't think you know what "doing someone's dirty work" means.
Why have a Grey Knight be an inquisitor when you have a Gary Stu like Hector Rex be essentially a Grey Knight anyway?
>>44032372
Lamenters
I remember reading somewhere that high ranked GK's (Grand Masters I think) were Inquisitors.
Or at least had equal authority or something, I dunno.
Or it might've been just the supreme gm.
>>44039453
A GK Master and the Grand Master have even more authority than the average Inquisitor in ordering the residents of the Imperium around, yes.
But that doesn't make them Inquisitors.
