How did Navigators operate during the DAoT without the Emperor's light?
>>44006675
With sentient supercomputers that can calculate the tides of hell.
>>44006675
The warp was a much calmer place back then.
>>44006675
It's a Dark Age, noone can remember.
>>44006675
They still do out on the edges of known space.
Shorter jumps with longer travel times. The Astronomicon really sped up Imperial ships.
>>44006675
they didn't need it and the tech was better back then so it may have helped
>>44006726
This. Populated worlds form warp landmarks that can be used for short mostly accurate jumps.
>>44006701
>With sentient supercomputers that can calculate the tides of hell.
This sounds like a really fun setting.
>>44006675
The Astronomican is not the Emperor, it's the thousands of psykers screaming into the warp. The Emperor is merely a lens to enhance it.
>>44006701
Isn't that what a Navigator is?
>>44006712
>Implying the reason why the warp became literal hell wasn't because the Old Ones created orks and eldar to fight the necrons, causing all these chaotic emotions to manifest themselves into the hellish warp beings we see today
>>44007883
No, they're super mutated people with a third eye with tons of in-breeding since the navigator gene is recessive.
Navigators or at least navigator houses also enjoy being totally exempt from the Inquisition.
>>44008049
So what's this sentient computer for plotting Warp courses then, why isn't it being used today, why isn't anyone else using it, how does it work and what BL novel does it come from?
>>44008076
Navigator mutation was discovered during Dark Age of Technology, prior that interstellar travel was slow and long.
>>44008076
>why isn't it being used today
In the warp, after taking countless lives as it rebelled mankind Khorne ascended many of this ships into Demon Princes. Now they carry the armies of Khorne into battle as they shoot the shit out of everyone.
>>44008076
From the DAoT, some rogue traders use it, because Navigators destroy them even though they are archaeotech to keep a monopoly on warp travel in the imperium, DAoT tech, I don't think it does?
>>44006701
>tides of hell
Oh no Anon this isn't just any Average Hell
This Hell has transcended all bounds and limits of your average hell
>>44006675
They were competent and understood how technology works.
Considered using it as a plot point for a RT game; we don't really know that much because DAoT, but humans still spread out.
I basically ruled that the archaeotech navigation computer would always have an annoying delay before it starts trying to rely on something, like the astronomicon actively fucks with its ability to triangulate properly.
>>44008150
Yes. And I have yet to see anything about computers doing the job of the navigators.
>>44008173
Source? Where does this fluff come from?
>>44008289
>humans still spread out
Badly. When the Navigator gene was discovered, the great exodus from Earth began.
>>44006675
Warp actually was not the only way of FTL travel. Emperor looked over the others at the start of the Crusades, and decided that the Warp was the safest.
>>44009371
Source?
>>44008384
One of the RT splats has the engine in question that negates need of a navigator
>>44009398
I don't know about man that other races have ways of non warp travel.
>>44009371
Warp is one of the fastest ways of traveling.
>>44009492
Emps wanted to make humanity lose its dependence on Warp travel. That's why he wanted to build a Human Webway.
>>44009516
>Wants to build eldar tech
>Refuses to listen to eldar
>Accidentally turns it into a gate to hell
Fucking mon'keigh
>>44011034
They had their own problems to deal with and do you really think they would like some human fiddling with their Webway? And Magnus did that, not the Emperor.
>>44008076
They used to have sentient computers, but they stopped making sentient computers when all the sentient computers rebelled as one and killed trillions of humans in a galaxy-spanning civil war that nearly wiped out mankind.
So they don't use that anymore.
>>44008049
Navigator houses get a lot of leeway, but they're by no means totally exempt
>>44006675
In RT (the RPG) there is an archeotech device you can get called the warp abacus or something, which is basically a computer designed to calculate warp jumps, removing the need for a navigator. Obviously the navigator houses consider such a thing to be heretical as fuck and will want to hunt down and destroy every surviving example.
Alternatively, you don't strictly need the Astronomican to make warp jumps, it's just that it provides a stable point of reference visble trough most of the galaxy. You could theoretically use local "landmarks" instead, like some big semi-permanent warpstorms, or just do short jumps that can be plotted with little error (which is what most Imperial ships actually do; your average chartist captain doesn't have a navigator onboard, but since he'll mostly travel within one sector, or between two neighbouring sectors, on well-known warp routes, he can just make multiple short jumps and end up in the correct direction).
Navigators in 30k look through the Empyrian, see plot-holes, and peer through them into the post-heresy world and are thus able to see the guiding light of the astronomicon.
With the spice melange.
>>44017133
yes
>>44007917
The reason is that Necrons had just to fuck up everything for everyone
>>44011034
>eldar tech
>implying they didn't steal it from the old ones
>>44009463
We talking about GW RT or FFG RT?
>>44012072
Source?
>>44009492
Eldar and necrons use the webway, which is a tunnel network between the warp and real space. Orks, Kroot, etc. use the warp. Tau jump drives are derivatives of warp drive tech, only lunging at the warp but never piercing into it.
All we know of Tyranid narvhals is that they bend space. How they do it, is not explained. Could very well be psychic in nature.
>>44009516
He didn't want to build a human webway, he just wanted to steal the one Eldar had.
