>GM fucks up and kills your character
>Doesn't retcon
>But he's a "cool guy", said by him, so decides to make appear a druid with reincarnate and cast it on your corpse, you still owe him the price of course
>GM rolls and gets you a creature that imposes you a malus on your main stat so hard that you lose access to all your feats
>after all of that the GM says "there, and don't complain"
In which states are legal to kill someone? thinking on going on a trip with my GM
Florida or some other state with stand your ground, granted you can convince the jury he was threatening you.
>>43980045
>Retard wants to turn back time after his character dies
>GM has you get reincarnated as a punishment for your complaining
Looks like you're a dumb motherfucker and the GM is trying to send you a message that you should get the fuck out
>malus
Yep. Kill yourself, it's legal in every state.
>>43980062
My character had the macguffin of the campaing and the GM, after coup de gracing my character, remembered that the monsters don't attack the guy with the macguffin (thing that we didn't know though). Coup de gracing is already a That GM move specially when there're other PCs alive and well attacking, double specially when the creature provoked 2 AoO for that action, more so when he tolds us then that monsters shouldn't have attacked me on the first place.
So, in my book, that seems like he fucked up.
>>43980059
Does it have to be with a gun?
>>43980078
the fuck up was that he told you they don't attack the guy with the macguffin after he killed you. Golden rule would allow him to hand wave it behind the scenes and no drama would be had.
If he had told you before the fight, why didn't you bring that up at the start of the fight?
>>43980106
Pretty sure a kid stabbed his bully to death one day when the bully followed him after school.
>>43980078
lol wow you really are literally retarded
>>43980161
He told us after he killed my character, neither we nor our PCs could know because never happened before. It's a 1st to 3rd level game (we currently are in 2nd level) and only worked with those specific monsters in that specific encounter because reasons, we still don't know why.
>>43980181
>2nd level
not even too deep then, just man up and ask to roll a new one
>>43980181
ya, so I say again, his fuck up was telling you he goofed instead of just changing the parameters behind the scenes. What do you want to do re-run the entire encounter? revert to save? suck cocks?
Maybe its just that you havn't told us enough about what happened, but it looks like your a whiny bitch and your DM doesn't keep his notes in order. You're both scrub tier.
>>43980165
I can't believe that insane law has actually done some good.
>>43980045
>GM fucks up and kills your character
You sure it wasn´t you fucking up?
>>43980209
Maybe not coup de grace my character, which is already a dick move.
>>43980194
If I roll a new one I start at 1st level with 1st level money, which, in the current situation, is better than in what I were reincarnated, though the choice was already made (by my GM when he introduced the Druid) and we can't change the PC till we are out of this maze.
All of this of course if I decide to continue in this game, which I'm not sure yet, mostly hate the GMs attitude like he's making me a favour after he was the one making the mistakes.
>>43980256
>I start at 1st level with 1st level money
Yes, and? The rest of the party are level 2, not level 10.
>>43980256
>not letting players stay the same level as each other
he's a shit gm
leave
>>43980264
Like I said, better than the reaincanation, but I can't choose reroll.
>>43980256
I would explain him why his decision is bad for my character.
If he understands and retcons it, he is a normal or maybe even a good GM.
If he leaves everything the way it is, he's bad and you should leave.
>>43980256
See, from your side he sounds like a douche DM. wouldn't continue to play with. A good DM is one who makes the game fun, and there's obviously nothing fun about that scenario.
And yes I agree, Coup De Grace is a dick move.
>>43980045
>you
For what purpose.
>>43980215
>that insane law
Wow, those guys are able to defend their life? What a bunch of fucking psychos.
>>43980062
>Kill yourself, it's legal in every state.
is it though?
Seriously asking here, is suicide 'legal'? I know you can't punish someone that's dead, but... you know. Or is the punishment for surviving just being tossed in a mental institute and having your future ruined?
>>43980286
>defend their life
How naive are you?
>>43980045
>malus
You know what's up.
Otherwise, this depends on the DM's fuck-up.
>>43980078
>My character had the macguffin of the campaing and the GM, after coup de gracing my character, remembered that the monsters don't attack the guy with the macguffin
There you go. The DM made a mistake, a small retcon would have been fair.
>Coup de gracing is already a That GM move specially when there're other PCs alive and well attacking, double specially when the creature provoked 2 AoO for that action, more so when he tolds us then that monsters shouldn't have attacked me on the first place.
Reel it in there, Sally. You don't play the creatures, the DM does. There could be perfectly sound reasoning behind this.
>>43980306
Suicide is legal (due to being impossible to try someone for it, for obvious reasons)
However, attempted suicide isn't.
>>43980314
The GM might also be a douche who doesn't care if the player has a character that is useless in the game: if he doesn't care about that he's a shit GM.
>>43980306
In my country suicide attempt is punished with death.
>>43980346
What country is that? Iraquistan?
>>43980314
>Moves into my possition, provoking an AoO
>Coup de graces me, provoking another AoO
>Kills me but in the process he's at low as fuck HPs
>Gets killed in the next turn but a hit that dealt 3 damage
Yeah, tactical genius
>>43980312
okay, how do you propose we let people protect themselves away from their homes? Do you have a better plan than "stand your ground"? What is the rate at which "stand your ground" is abused?
>>43980360
A zombie with orders to "kill the mcguffinholder" might have done that.
In my own homebrew setting where reviving magic is cheap people can do suicidal stuff if it's for sufficient enough gain.
But it sounds like he just wanted to dick you over and want you gone because (I reason by induction) you bitch all the time.
>>43980360
Retire that meta perspective on 'creatures'. They don't necessarily possess a bird's eye view of the skirmish and flawless tactical reasoning.
>>43980384
Surveillance and police drones.
>>43980388
>In my own homebrew setting where reviving magic is cheap people can do suicidal stuff if it's for sufficient enough gain.
Very Eclipse Phase.
>>43980390
>creatures with 8+ Int don't put their safety first
Ok
Even animals don't go suicidal if they have other less dangerous options
>>43980384
No, you misunderstand.
These people aren't actually defending their lives.As it happens, I'm completely confused on the greater issue of gun control. On the one hand, I'm British; on the other, the arming of a population greatly increases their ability to defend themselves.
>>43980419
>animals are capable of Sun Tzu level tactics
>>43980388
>A zombie with orders to "kill the mcguffinholder" might have done that.
That's bad DMing if you ask me. "Retrieve the mcguffin at all costs" works just as well without dicking a player over for a lucky crit.
Unless you're playing Tomb of Horrors or some other equally masochistic scenario, as a DM it is not your job to defeat the players. It's your job to facilitate the players' enjoyment of the game. And, unless you're playing Tomb of Horrors or something like Dark Souls: the Tabletop, that usually doesn't include killing their characters off. It's generally something you should try to avoid, especially against random-ass canon fodder.
Of course, if the players are twats then all bets are off.
>>43980408
It's actually very much like a fantasy eclipse phase, right down to the cheapness of life, body switching, personal muses, mind-alteration magics, post-scarcity of many things, and unknowable beings of great power and intent.
Tippyverse mechanics are a hell of a drug.
>>43980419
That's nice, except I've seen dogs stay latched on to whatever poor son of a bitch they'd bitten, even while they were being shot.
Stop humanising animals. They don't reason like we do.
>>43980396
>a few people die unjustly therefore we should have no privacy and machines(that can be tampered with and probably malfunction more often than the stand your ground law is abused) constantly pointing guns at civilians ready to shoot if one man is threatening another mans life.
How naive are you?
>>43980449
Tell us more; this is way more interesting than BAWW MY DM IS MEAN/BAWW YOU'RE A SHITTY PLAYER.
>>43980449
>Tippyverse
What is this word?
>>43980479
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Tippyverse
>>43980485
So what was it?
>>43980441
>Not putting yourself in danger is Sun Tzu level tactics
Dude, animals don't let their flanks exposed, AoO are strange enough, but mean you purposely do stuff that allow other creatures advantages, animals don't do that if they have other options.
>>43980448
I'm not going to necessarily pull punches as a GM. Foes will act tactically. If they're outnumbered and almost certainly going to die, they may run or beg parley but they may also suicidally charge in to stab someone in a manner just to take someone with them to hell.
Tactical focus is important, as is judging your opponent.
My players have both used this to their advantage (making pirates run in fear at a fearsome summoning) and have been tripped up by it (the same summon made boarding soldiers pull back, but then ALSO bring the obvious siege cannons to bear and start blasting the ship to bits because it was too dangerous to try to capture it.
Foe AI is an important thing. And my players appreciate me making things realistically hard (or easy, when animals flee or diplomacy from a position of power works).
>>43980448
>as a DM it is not your job to defeat the players
True, but misleading. A DM's job is to challenge the players. If they fuck up and die because of their own actions (which is possible, OP didn't give enough information) then it isn't bad DMing or the DM's fault.
>>43980424
>on the other, the arming of a population greatly increases their ability to defend themselves.
It also greatly increases their ability to murder one another, as well.
There was literally another shooting spree that happened in America a couple of days ago using legally purchased weapons.
>>43980479
>>43980463
Right! I run a homebrew pathfinder setting, where a magic apocalypse happened five hundred years ago. Wizards did bad spells that "blew up the gods" and got the land cursed with magic so it's inhospitable.
As a result, 99% of the remaining population live in flying cities and travel by airships. Everyone is at least level 3 and above, magic is commonplace and the currency used is tokens of feather fall, which if combined makes things float if you have lots of money.
>>43980346
That's really clever
>>43980509
Given that OP clarified this shit is second level, yes, you should be pulling your punches at this point in the game.
>>43980045
You call this a That DM?
>I'm forced to miss a session
>The others play anyway, my character stays in Village X while the others head out to investigate a bandit stronghold in Forest Y.
>They end up getting captured.
>The next sessions comes along.
>I talk to some people in Village X and find out where the party's gone, so I head towards Forest Y.
>"You feel a sharp blow to your head and everything goes dark. You wake up in a cell without any of your equipment."
>-"Er, wot? I haven't made a single check to detect the ambush and my character is pretty resilient. How did I get knocked out so flawlessly?"
>"It just happened. So anyway, you're in a cell and all your stuff is gone."
>>43980549
>you should be pulling your punches at this point in the game.
Player-coddler detected. Tough love is the order of the day. Git gud or die trying.
Happened something similar to me, probably you heard before
>Be 4th level party
>Be elf fighter focused on TWF
>On a dungeon we set a trap that separates us
>I end in a different room with 2 Trolls
>Of course I get killed
>Later GM realizes they were Ogres
>Decides to give me reincarnation for free
>Troglodite
>Can't use any of the TWF feats
>Ask /tg/ what to do
>/tg/ says go full monsters because troglodites are monsters
>MC barbarian, eat my enemies, don't bath, start talking with growl, snarls and roars because my new reptilian brain is taking over me
>GM gets ubermad so rock falls my character
>>43980533
Dang. If you ever need another person, that sounds like it'd be up my alley.
What's religion like, now that the gods are all blown up?
>>43980533
Food is made by Create Food and water items mostly, and are used to make gruel, which is then usually flavoured with prestdigitation. Real vegetables and meats grown on the surface is rare and pricey, with one of the main crops in the cities being wheats and other things for alcohols. This of course prompted one of my players to pick a specialisation in chef skills.
Reincarnation is a cheap way of getting people back on their feet - the mook miniboss squad chasing the party has had several deaths and come back with one druid as an owlbear, a fairy and a goblin (all coming after one player's three separate characters ironically).
The main villain for the first half has been a warmongering enchanter wizard who used mind control, politics and propaganda to start two wars and nearly got his hand on ancient weapons of old.
Most "divine" magic is done by one of the eight billion spirits - fragments of the gods blown up and serving as little sprites, pieces of divinity empowering people, or otherwise being personal assistants or AI helper type things.
What would you like tp hear about? The cities? The politics? The technologies and cultures and mindsets of people?
Or would you rather hear of adventuring tales like the party's escape from a city of angry wizards, how they crashed a mountain, or capturing a golem armed with a ship sized cannon?
>>43980551
Pic is you. Actually, I'm not sure that what the GM did to you is even bad.
>>43980575
>religion
The gods got so blown up people don't even remember their names - a total loss in the Wars and the Fall (ironically named apocalypse incident).
So their fragments became like little divine spirits, like the hundreds of thousands of shinto gods, the little house gods of hearth and home in Roman times. Personal gods, ones who will join you at birth or appear as your celestial paladin mount. One oracle picked the haunted archetype - she's constantly surrounded by childlike voices and poltergeist movement.
There are no main religions but the cities tend to have similar mimdsets and spirits. So one paladin knight city has griffon beasts that are magical spirits, another city does ancestor worship, ships often have an attendant spirit bound into them that are very minor deities.
Stuff like that.
>>43980551
>Lose your character, 1 level, all your feats and probably other race benefits
>Better than simple get mugged
Ok, is this like rape is worse than death thing?
>>43980529
The USA averages more than one "mass shooting" a day this year
>>43980533
You had me until you said
>Pathfinder
Otherwise the setting itself sounds great. I'd really like to hear about the adventures. Especially the crashing a mountain.
As for the thread itself. /tg/ needs to realize that That Guy (I still don't get where That GM comes from, other than retardation) doesn't mean a bad player/GM. It means a person so socially inept / annoying / disgusting that he starts building a reputation. It literally comes from the phrase "Oh! That Guy". All of these stories /tg/ tells nowadays are just mildly bad roleplaying experiences, not real horror stories you get with That Guys. There's no rape threats to someone's sister, no playing a pedophile, no using drugs at someone else's house, no terrible body odor, no encyclopedia-like knowledge of mass murders. Just stories of bad gaming experiences
It's like reading Tumblr tell stories of 4chan. Sheltered people trying to sound hardcore.
>>43980872
Source?
>>43980872
>>43980907
Nvm, found it, that number would include botched home invasions, gang conflict ( though I doubt that would get reported anyway), even police actions from the definition given. For other anons surprised by the statistic.
>>43980078
Coup de grace is a full round action. Your GM is retarded if he was able to do it as a standard action.
>>43980045
Looks like you're That Guy, chump.
GM has no obligation to retcon a character's death. Risk is a part of the game.
At least your DMs don't force you to make 2+ pages backstories, micromanage all the weight of your equipment, and other useless shit to kill you in the first encounter, making character creation like 99% of the time you spent in that PC.
>>43981023
If the DM agrees to wing it but then sends in what's essentially a griefing instrument, it's hard to argue he's not intentionally being an asshole. And from the thread it's clear that he's an asshole.
>>43980045
>In which states are legal to kill someone?
Alaska. Don't forget to feed the corpse to the bears.
>>43980286
I don't think people realize that in places without approximate laws you're legally obligated not to try and defend yourself up until the point where an assailant is literally in the process of inciting bodily harm on you.
Granted people abuse stand your ground laws to justify shooting somebody for no reason, which is incredibly heinous, but the alternative is even more unreasonable.
>>43981230
At least city schools get you ready for that.
I noticed during my time at city schools(ie, when I went to them), kids had a habit of just not defending themselves and let bullies beat the shit out of them, because 90% of the time if they did anything other than lie down and take it, they got worse punishment than the person attacking them.
>>43980529
>let's make laws stopping law abiding people from owning guns, this will stop criminals from getting guns
>>43981312
As long as you don't start going
>let's not check to see if the person we're selling guns to has a criminal record
>>43980529
>It also greatly increases their ability to murder one another, as well.
Hence the confused bit.
>>43981312
Obviously it does. It's not like countries like the UK didn't *have* lots of guns before they were declared (largely) illegal.
Whether the US wants to go through with it, on the other hand...
>>43981272
Sounds about right.
>Have a bully problem
>Literally can't do anything because last time he attacked me, I hit him back once
>Bully gets 3 days suspension for giving me a black eye and nearly breaking my nose
>I get a week suspension because I hit him once, which "clearly instigated him" to kepe attacking me
>Have an issue with him again later
>Decide to tell someone instead of waiting for to get suspended for daring to be in the way of his fists later
>Teacher goes up to him in the middle of class
>"So I hear you're giving Anon problems again."
>"No I'm not."
>"Ok, just checking." followed by very obviously giving me a thumbs up and walking away.
The next month of my school life was "fun."
>>43981387
I have a way of dealing with guys like thatI fuck 'em
DMs never make mistakes
>>43981449
Haven't seen the guy in ages. Last I heard he was in jail for trying to rob a cop bar.
As in, a bar frequented by many off-duty and retired police.
He never was very bright.
>>43981387
>Hit them back
So bad idea...I did that once...never again.
Thank god that by 3rd year of highschool I met a new guy who was like 6'5" and 300lb, a fucking giant, who had fun bulling the bullies, pretty awesome guy. I heard he's now a school teacher.
>>43981471
At least there weren't any beautiful werewolves there.
>>43981387
I was always bullied by social exclusion. I thought I had it really rough.
Then I learned my new friends had had literally one to zero friends in their previous primary schools. I'd at least had two good friends and a small group of they'd-cut-me-loose-given-half-the-chance clique-y shit friends (whom I cut loose given half the chance).
>>43980306
In a lot of places suicide is illegal, as it gives the police probable cause to break into your home in the case of an emergency.
If the police have reason to believe you're trying to kill yourself, because it's a crime they can legally break in to save you.
It's punishable by death for a similar reason. Whilst euthanasia and assisted suicide is still illegal in a lot of places, sentencing someone to die via painless lethal injection for attempting suicide is not.
The basic idea is that, if someone is trying to kill themselves and is still determined to do so after receiving help and counseling, then at least the government can legally help them in a painless and dignified manner.
Having suicide be illegal and punishable by death is actually an extremely logical and humane way to help people. Providing it's not abused.
>>43980062
Looks like someone is trapped in the cycles of their regret
>>43980306
>>43980336
>>43980346
>>43981594
>>43981336
>It does
Okay, so let's say I'm a criminal, and I want to go on a spree. What stops me from buying an illegal Gun, or manufacturing my own?
>>43981332
>implying criminals will go through the proper procedures to get a gun
Anon, you're thinking that the guy is someone who follows the law.
>>43981772
You need to know where to buy them, or how to build them.
Not all criminals can do this, m8.
>>43981790
>>Implying it's not harder to get a gun illegally.
>>Implying it's not harder to get a gun illegally when guns aren't even available commercially.
>>Australia.jpg
>>43981799
Anon, take you facts away from here!
>>43981797
You also need the tools to make them.
>>43981023
I'd have to agree with him after he mentioned the circumstances of the coup de grace though, despite the whining.
>>43981799
>Australia.jpeg
>comparable to 270 million firearms in America
>muh 'merican private intrastate sales
>criminals nowadays certainly don't network on the internet for illicit activities to buy illegal things commonly and easily
I don't think what happened in Australia is applicable to anything that could possibly take place in America in the present.
Let me check this right, you not only lose a level because reincarnation, not only your stats change to the point you lose access to all your feats, and probably, depending on the creature you might even need to buy a whole new equipment (small/medium), he also acts all smug and tells you to not complain and be thankful for a mistake he made? the fuck? why aren't you 360º noscope moonwalking out of there?
>>43981970
You do get that the guns didn't disappear overnight right? It was a massive campaign that lasted years to get rid of them.
I'm not saying it's perfect, or that it would be easy. But less guns = less gun crimes is a pretty solid logical progression.
I mean, shit - how many crimes committed with guns are results of heat of the moment reactions/decisions or psychotic episodes?
>>43980045
>Malus
Stopped reading there.
Quit being a pretentious faggot and learn what "Penalty" means,shithead.
>>43982037
>Pretentious
Stopped reading there.
Who the fuck uses that word? Stop being all showy and learn English.
>>43982073
>Stopped
Stopped reading there. Who the fuck stops reading for petty bullshit?
>>43982017
I understand. But the amount of bureaucracy involved, technology available, scope of the project, and the political climate in America compared to Australia means that any action taken will be a bitch to enforce and many of those guns will probably stay in circulation. Either side of gun control issue you fall on, I don't think you can hold the Australian process as a model to a schizophrenic union of 50(51) political entities.
And this is assuming none of the Red states start passing laws that hinder national action regarding the 2nd Amendment. Oh, wait.
Dear /tg/,
I was That GM last Wednesday.
>run gurps post-apocalyptic military campaign
>characters (three in total) are part of research and development army unit, players basically govern it
>so that r&d unit is a main focus of the game, not as classic dnd-stuff adventuring party
>50+ sessions come to pass, enemies rise and fall, rival corporations all around, budget is low, problems with army superiors
>few sessions ago PCs lost a fight against corporation forces and one of them get captured, other escaped
>captured PC agrees to feed them information, seize rebel army general and another ranked officers (political reasons) for boons (huge funds, personal promotions, etc.)
>escaped PC is one of those ranked officers
>captured PC been "rescued"
>captured PC secretly planned and prepared a plan to seizure escaped PC
>last session was its culmination
>it looked like this:
>>GM (me) describes current day, ask for specific player proposals (converse with captured PC via messenger, player post rolls there), escaped PC confirms regular sleep
>>series of rolls, including stealth-perception, some medical rolls to administer anesthesia, etc.
>>plan successful, diversion successful, escaped player never resuscitates, effectively dead
>>one player pvp-ed another, GM just described that ALL
>player chooses to quit
>feel guilty
>campaign endangered
>>43982097
>Stopped
Stopped posting th
>>43982097
>Anonymous
Stopped reading right there. Who the fuck posts on a message board without using their tag for upvotes so everyone can track your messages?
>>43982101
Fair point.
At what stage do you just call it a wash and realise that the situation is out of control no matter what you try to do?
From the sounds of it, there are simply too many firearms in the American system for any ruling on either side of the fence to have an effect. Like pissing into a flood.
>>43980360
CdG is a full-round action. Stab your DM in the face, I allow it.
>>43982118
>messages?
Stopped reading there
>>43982207
> >
Stop reading right there. Who the fuck uses meme arrows anymore?
>>43982242
>(You)
>replying to me at all
What's wrong with the word Malus? In German we just use it for lack of a shorter word.
>>43980551
yeah that's pretty bad but how is that worse than OP's?
>>43980658
I'm liking this more and more. Cool setting.
>>43981604
Thank you for informing me good Sir, that makes a lot more sense than it previously sounded.
>>43982276
Nothing. Idiots get upset about it, like gryphon and grimoire.
>>43981336
What making firearms ownership illegal doesn't do is significantly affect the actual amount of violent crime that happens. The UK still manages to have some of the highest violent crime rates in europe despite having some of the most restrictive gun laws.
>>43980045
>We're trying to gather allies against some enemies threatening our home city-state.
>There's a group of sylvan creatures (Mostly Dryads and Centaurs) living in a forest to our south.
>Much questing, finally get an audience with their leader, a sylph. She's about 6 inches tall.
>That Guy: I PULL DOWN MY TROUSERS AND CLUB HER WITH MY DICK! hahahahaha, isn't that hilarious guise? My cock is bigger than she is ahahahaha!
>Be scout
>Scout
>Die because DM didn't thought the scout/explorer would be the one scouting/exploring first, instead of the full armored tank guy
I love how counterintuitive D&D is, the supposedly best classes for scouting are the worst
>>43982130
There are small things that can be done. Private sales, for instance, could be more regulated, requiring background checks, thus making it harder for criminals to get things via Armslist and keeping gun owners from turning a blind eye, muh bill of sale towards who they sell to. Problem is any legislation like that probably would have to go through the states because it is mostly intrastate commerce, and even then enforcement would rely on interstate cooperation. And it's not just a gun problem. Take Chicago and Illinois, for instance. Strict gun control, but criminals can transport their guns from states where it's easier to get, and because the city practically ignores some neighborhoods, gangs supply the social and retaliatory structure.
>>43982380
You're not supposed to get in fights as a scout you moron.
>>43981797
People can literally make a zip shotgun out of 2 pieces of pipe, and a nail. Are you serious in that someone couldn't do 2 minutes of research to find out how to build one on the internet?
>>43981799
>Comparing Australia to a place that has over 250 Million firearms
Wew lad
>>43982388
I wasn't goint to get into a fight.
I was exploring, the DM put a trap that not even rolling a nat20 was going to spot it but was "ok" because the tank guy was going to eat it (those traps were explosive magic traps), and was ok because even though it would set the alarm and bring the baddies to his possition the tank would "survive" long enough for the rest of the party to arrive his possition.
It was my fault for explore as a scout, I accept that.
BTW, no, we didn't know there were going to be baddies settled in these woods, we assumed animals, but not intelligent creatures that set magic traps against a 3rd level group.
>>43982383
This. I'm the guy who's arguing the progun point, and private sales could be way better regulated. It's just that, if someone really wants a gun, they'll get it.
>>43982460
That sounds like shit GMing all round.
>>43982207
>12/04/15(Fri)
What kind of troglodyte is posting on /tg/ on a Friday?
>>43982460
>"we assumed"
>not rolling to disbelieve the air
It was your fault
>>43980549
>you should be pulling your punches at this point in the game.
fuck that shit. My player expect me to never pull punches and call me out whenever I try to.
I love my player man
>ok so the paladin is down from that flask of alchemist fire someone should prob....
>Umm, DM, Im carrying 7 flasks of alchemist fire. Shouldnt they go off?
>Damn, 7? well ok, 50% chance for each
>4 go off. Paladin Dead, burned to a crisp. Srry man
>NP now I get to try my hand at a Bard
>cool. We'll talk after the session about how to intro your new char to the game
This is how good players handle deaths.
You are just a whiney little bitchI killed a lvl 1 player last session with a Crow. Gave 2 rounds of it picking at the eyeballs before it got to the brain and coup de grace. only DC11, but player failed. 'Crow de Grace' has become my partys favorite phrase now
>>43982570
1. Your players seem to like that, like some people seem to like to stuff rats in their butts, you can't assume everybody likes to stuff rats in their butts.
2. You didn't make a mistake like OP's GM, you didn't "ups, remember I killed you with fire? well I forgot you were immune to fire damage, but don't worry, you're dead now, but I'm going to revive you in a way you'd be better rerolling, but I don't let you rerolllol"
Your example has nothing to do with OP's case.
>>43982570
>Shouldnt they go off?
No, they shouldn't. He didn't roll a nat1 on reflex save, the fuck did you do man? stop letting your players come up with rules that don't exist just to "amuse" them. Your mission is to make them have a bad time, not a fun time.
>>43982653
He got hit with Alch. Fire, why wouldn't that set off the other vials?
>>43982446
Hey. Trying is better than not doing anything about it.
From '88 to '97 Australia had a population of just over 16 million , and they managed to get rid of over 1 million guns.
So, a 1 to 16 turn over rate.
In America in 1988 they had a population of 244 million people and an estimated 203 million guns. Comparatively, that 1 / 16th is only a drop in the water. Not even a fifteenth of the total number of guns in America.
But you know what?
It would have been fucking something if they had at least tried.
Fuck it.
You want guns for self defense? Here. Have this sword instead.
Are you worried criminals will still have guns?
You fucking should be. But hopefully if criminals can't buy guns in fucking Wallmart it might make it a bit less likely that you'll get shot.
>>43982619
>Player was shit
>DM was shit
>I still feel the need to defend the actions of the player
Shit attracts shit. They are both That Guy/That DM. They deserve each other
Name changed just in case the player browses here.
>"We're testing out a new rpg system"
Okay.
>"It's going to be a little less numbers-heavy, since half the group is new to PnP"
Fair enough; I like not having to munchkin.
>"It's my first time GMing, so this other person is going to help from time to time."
Shouldn't we start with something you're more familiar with?
>"They're also helping me with balancing the system, and have a character of their own."
This can't end well.
>>"The mysterious cloaked figure refuses to tell you her name, insisting you refer to her as The Traveler Amidst."
This CAN'T end well.
>the Traveler hits on everyone
pls no magical realmaroni
>the Traveler oneshots a wolf hybrid thing, after two other characters spent multiple turns to take down another one
wake me up (wake me up inside)
>the Traveler survives an attack that would've done 2x her max HP because "just an illusion"
no no no NO NO
>the Traveler subdues and controls a minor spirit of pure terror and corruption, one that not even the greatest mage of the setting had done
This can't be happening.
>the Traveler tames and marries said spirit
This CAN'T be HAPPENING!
>>"Anon, your class got a few balance changes. I know you don't do much damage, but you were starting to get a bit too tanky, even for a tank."
Admittedly okay. I effectively had 200% of my actual HP.
>Traveler survives an AoE that killed me
Seriously contemplating leaving...
>>"And so it's finally revealed. In addition to being a mere dreamwalker, I, the great Traveler Amidst, am also the daughter of Hades!"
Dropped.
>>43982667
Because they're flasks intended to be transported and used in combat, not looney toons type nitroglycerin.
They could have exploded, if he rolled a nat1 against a fire effect or similar, for example, not against another alchemist's fire flask.
>>43982695
>Player was shit
I don't know where do you get this, for what? for complaining about the GM unfairly killing him?
>>43982653
>reflex save
>Shitfinder
You assume we play shitty player coddling systems anon.
>>43980551
Sounds like you were getting railroaded for the sake of 'catching up with the party' so you're all together. I fail to see the problem if that's the case.
>>43982708
>I can't comprehend bending the rules to make the players happy
>>43982747
You can't do that, the whole thread is about doing exactly the opposite.
If they're happy with their characters dying, you don't kill them.
If they're happy with their characters not dying, you kill them.
>>43982727
Any player that whines about death, even unfair ones, is shit.
Good players move on and find another group if necessary.
>>43982747
>make the players happy
>by killing them
I mean, he was actually asking for it, but still...
>>43981387
Funny, I punched a bully in the face and told him to fuck off. We both got suspended but we ended up on decent terms afterwards.
Best part was that my Lit Teacher gave me a hi-five for it when I got back.
>>43982776
If people didn't complain 4chan would have died a long time ago.
In fact, what the fuck are you doing here if you aren't a whiny faggot?
>>43982037
>Getting asspained over Malus
You're either a neckbeard or literally retarded.
>>43982708
Maybe you should
1) not assume the system is the same as yours
2) actaully learn your own systems rules. In PF you get a save. Unconcious is DC10 so with no bonus' that would actaully be a 50% chance per flask
players who carry glass vials of alchemist fire and acid should not be surprised when they go off.
The only items that dont detonate in that circumstances are alchemist bombs as an alchemist has to arm them (they are inert otherwise)
>>43980222
If a monster would reasonably do it, it's not a dick move. Most monsters will deal with the most immediate threats, so when a character goes unconscious, they'll ignore them. However if it's a particularly evil or malicious monster with some intelligence, the would finish you off
>>43982865
As OP already said, riking two AoO? the monster provoked one when he moved to OPs square, getting hit it seems, then another when he used coup de grace, getting hit a second time, to the point he was nearly dead after that. One thing is being malicious, another is being suicidal.
>>43981387
>not waiting until after school and jumping the bully
>not finding them when they're alone and threatening them
Take care of your own problems mang
>>43980450
That's nice.
I and the rest of humanity have seen that most animals have self preservation instincts unless in extreme situations or are mentally impaired.
Stop thinking intelligence is a human only thing, or that it's the only factor that plays in survival.
>>43982317
>Idiots get upset about it, like gryphon
>Quit being pretentious anon, just call them eagle-lions like God intended.
>>43982829
>>43982037
Wait, is malus even a valid English word? It's not my native tongue, so I just assumed he misspelled minus.
Please teach me, /tg/.
>>43983118
>Six armed murderhobos entering the animal's lair
>somehow not an extreme situation
>>43983207
I wish I had psychic powers like you do.
That way I'd be able to read OP's mind like you just did and find out precisely where they encountered the enemy, what it was, if it had any young, if it was obviously in distress, or if it even was an animal.
I sure feel silly now
>>43983179
Malus is either the opposite of bonus in the original Latin, or the scientific name of the apple family.
>>43983179
Malus is exactly the opposite of bonus in latin.
However, I suspect OP's first language is not English. It's a word that exists but it's more common in Romance languages.
>Best friends ask me to join their campaign
>Very worried because they have no imagination, and base EVERYTHING on anime and video games.
>The GM is completely new, has no idea what hes doing. Not a dick so I help but dont rules lawyer.
>other friend however, is all about the the numbers game. It dosnt matter whats going on, hes gotta be the star
>Take it upon himself to "help" the new gm. By that I mean dictate his every move and let him do all the "cool" shit
example:
>"GM, did I level up"
>GM:um, I'm not sure
>"I should have leveled up by now"
>GM: Arnt you level 5 right now? and the others still level 3?
>"Yea but-" tirad on how hes pulling the most weight and a good GM would give him bonuses
Not really invested beyond just sitting around shooting the shit with friends so I dont give a fuck. But goddamn there is a reason I dont game with these people on the regular or seriously. To top it all off, heres the ominous red flags! Enjoy this!
>GM starts the world in pokemon.
>There are characters from destiny
>one player is a homebrew saiyan
Admittedly this one was kind of fun when he saw the full moon
>The numbers player, the back seat GM, is playing a homebrew Titan from attack on titan. He gets +17 to hit, +10 damage, +8 con, and regenerates 4 a turn at level 5 and becomes a large creature. also all of his attacks cause bleed damage on top of it.
My self is a healing cleric, and we have a rogue. The GM's "super hard boss fight" was one shotted by the titan who had power attack.
Thankfully, they only play maybe once a month, and despite their shitty roleplay skills (which amount to "I kill it, they cant even touch me anyway") they are still my best friends outside of it so when they want to hang out its a small price to pay to watch them try and come up with "clever" plans.
>>43983322
I learned it from E.Y.E., which is extremely Frog in some places.
>>43982570
>Killing a level 1 PC with a crow?
I'm sure this was fun for your group, but in all honesty that is some straight up bullshit. Unless the PC is tied down and can't reach his eyes or it's some super demon crow, there is no way in a hell some crow can fly down from a tree and kill you in the matter of a couple rolls. If this was possible, how the fuck does anyone survive in your world if the average bird can kill just about anyone with eyes?
>>43983322
Spanish fag here, we use it a lot, specially related to rpgs. Penalty would be "Penalización" which is longer and we're lazy fags so we tend to use malus instead.
>>43980209
The DM fucked up man. As a DM myself, he should have at least not imposed penalties on yer man. Like thats the minimum he should have done.
>>43981387
I threw a metal chair at a guy (he throwing paper balls at me from the back) in the middle of class.
When he tried talking to teacher about this, teacher looked him straight in the eye and said "I'm not sure what you are talking about. I didn't see anything."
Had no problems afterwards.I'm Russian, though.
>>43982276
It's a matter of, in D&D at least, there being an actual fucking term for it.
Same with the assholes who call Intelligence "Intellect". What the fuck are they thinking?
>>43983696
This is what you sound like, anon
>GM: Guys, we're going to play a Star Wars game.
>Me: Cool.
>Friend: Can we be jedis?
>GM: No.
>Friend: Ok.
>Me: Ok.
>Session starts
>New player introduced
>He's a jedi
Years later and I still get annoyed.
>>43981772
The general lack of there being any.
>>43982333
No one's saying guns cause crime, anon. The argument is traditionally that they significantly worsen it.
>Start game at 1st level
>First mission is super easy, we ending in like one session
>Still 1st level
>Walking to the second questgiver
>Suddenly ambush
>5 orcs, 4 wargs and 2 ogres
>"The fuck?!"
>Try to escape but is pointless, TPK so hard we couldn't sit for days
>"GM, what the actual fuck? this is like way above our level"
>"Your current level? yes, your supposed level? no, see, you avoided all the traps, rolled well on stealth and solved all the puzzles too fast in the first mission that's why you got almost no exp, and therefore you had lower level than you should be in this encounter, it's your fault if you think about it"
We thought the owner of the house, a player, was going to kill him, srly, we have to hold him down while the GM ran away.
>>43982686
>You want guns for self defense? Fuck it, here. Have a sword instead.
Oh right anon, I forgot! A 100 pound skinny girl can fight off a 220 pound mugger or rapist with her trusty broadsword! Or, in the real world, she could use a gun. A firearm is an equalizer you mong. I don't know if you're American, but if you are, go somewhere else if guns bother you that badly.
>>43980612
I bet that anything you're willing to share would be welcome.
>Party has to recover an artifact from a temple
>One of the NPCs insists it should be a low-key quest, they don't want other adventurers getting to it first
>The barbarian instantly runs into the town square and repeats everything he listened, challenging people to see if they were man enough to get there before him.
>The party's sorcerer casts a summon mount spell so the halfling and gnome can keep up the pace on their way to the temple. A small horse materializes out of thin air.
>The barbarian sees the horse as a personal challenge. He knows he's strong enough to lift it.
>"I try to lift the horse", says the barbarian.
>The barbarian spends the next twenty in-game minutes doing strength checks on the terrified horse while the entire party is waiting.
>Another game
>His character falls out with the party over another player "accidentally" killing a farmer
>Runs away with the party's only horse
>Reaches the party's destination hours before the rest
>Hires some mercenary NPCs to prevent the party from entering the city
>An innocent player character almost died in the resulting skirmish. Said player got really fucking pissed at the guy and refused to play for weeks.
And before the barbarian, he played a sorcerer whose signature spell is charm person. I was GMing and it drove me nuts.
I don't know what this guy's deal is, every one of his characters' purpose seems to be fucking the GM's shit up. Yet he somehow gets away with it because he does all this stuff with blantant sincerity and no apparent malice; you can't tell how much of it is obliviousness or intentional trolling.
Should moster that does everything in its hand to kill a PC even if that means go full kamikaze give you the same amount of XP as the same monster but that thinks in his survival first? how do you meassure the difference?
>>43982345
Did the sylph turn him into a huge dick?
That's what I would've done.
>>43984180
Monsters should never think in survive, never, they're means to an end, kill the PCs, so they should go all in.
>>43981387
I pretty much had the same shit happen to me. For the life of me I can't understand how someone can act that way, it's unconscionable to me, I can't understand how a human brain can produce a result like that, how, with the data input given them, such a result can come out. The only way I can justify this kind of fucky system of social mathematics they practice is if they're being either willfully ignorant or purposefully sadistic.
Is this what it feels like for victims of crime when the system actively villainizes and punishes them instead of the perpetrators? Because that's what it sure as fuck feels like.
>>43982446
How many people you going to gun down with a two-pipe+nail zip gun?
>>43984285
Hey, you've just gotta kill one officer to get his gun.
>>43984323
True, but if making your own weapons is no longer a means unto itself, and simply a means of getting better guns and discarding it, you're not really talking about gun control anymore, you're talking about terrorism.
>>43984119
>1st story
Eh, kind of annoying. But could be justifird in character
>2nd story
This is when you talt to him, not a full That Guy
>3rd
Completely justified in what he did, other player is a baby.
>>43983895
>we have to hold him down while the GM ran away.
That's pretty hard core.
Do you had another session?
>>43984425
Neither with that GM nor that player.
>>43982686
b-but anon, criminals arent actually people, they're a nebulous thing that only exist in the shadows, they don't actually do people things like shop at Walmart!
Everyone knows that criminals exist entirely on a criminal lifestyle, they steal all their food, all their sex is rape, all their guns are illegal, and they rip tags off of mattresses!
>>43983946
To be fair, I would be much less likely to try and mug or rape a girl if I saw she was carrying a fucking broadsword, even if she WAS half my size.
>>43984571
To be honest, maybe you should have talked to him about that, instead of killing him.I know it wasn't you who did that. I just wanted to say that sentence, but you get the idea.
>>43984412
But isn't gun control used as a means to stop terrorism? Isn't that part of what the anon up there was arguing?
>>43984652
Same here, but I'd also be a whole lot less likely to do it if I knew 1/2 people were packing.
>>43984652
>This argument
>Implying that this imaginary rapist won't also be armed.
>Implying your imaginary rape victim is prepared for the encounter, and has the gun already pointed at the attacker.
>Implying they're prepared to use it, mentally.
Get that strawman garbage out of here.
>>43984794
I donno man, even if you are armed and can get her by surprise. Are you more likely to rape the girl that IS carrying the broadsword, or the girl that has a 50% chance of being armed?
I know I'd go with the maybe gun girl, since I would assume even if I could disarm both, the girl with the sword would be more of a fighter and more likely to get away.
>>43980529
Violent crime has been decreasing since the end of prohibition, assault weapon ban or no the population has been getting more armed and more peaceful. There is no correlation between gun ownership and crime. Therefore if it wasn't guns that were used it would be knives like what happens in England. Don't be a pain bin your brain!
>>43981970
People keep on blaming the internet for all sorts of stuff. I saw something on the news claiming that terrorists were using bitcoins in the darknet to pay for all the shit they buy.
>>43984900
That's a good point, but how quickly can she unholster. I mean, in condition zero I'm ready to fire in about 4 seconds.
>>43984794
Exactly how much mental preparation does it take to pull a Saturday night special out of your purse and shoot the 250 pound guy charging you with a butcher knife and no pants on Mr. Expert? I think one trip to the gun range would do it
>>43984794
Anon, would you rather have a gun and not need it, or need a gun and not have it?
>That guy/that gm thread
>Arguing wether or not rape guns in real life help
I think you guys got the wrong idea: This thread was to bash/point out that guy moments in our games, not a thread to invite you all.
>bring in a new paladin character partway through a currently running Pathfinder game since I wasn't having fun with my old bard
>there's a tournament going on, all the PCs are competing in it so I join in
>fairly certain that nothing bad will happen to me - at worst I'll lose and get knocked unconscious, since the GM has doctors on hand to save combatants from death
>end up fighting our party's barbarian
>I've whittled him down to about 7 health, I'm at 11
>pretty confident I can win this fight, barbarian already used up his rage earlier
>he rolls a crit, confirms it, and then rolls 10 +3 damage with his greatsword
>multiply by 2 for the crit, that's 26 damage
>GM allows the cleric to pray for my survival, but my paladin has lost their arm and even a great heal check by the doctors can't save it
Should I be more salty about this, /tg/? It was my first session with this character, and they were a sword and shield user.
>>43985032
>>43985032
>/tg/
>Staying on topic
>>43980266
This. Abandon ship. Start a new game, become DM, and poach all the players if necessary. A PC dying should only be a penalty if the player was acting exceptionally stupidly
>>43984961
The internet isn't being blamed. It's just a great networking tool that's available to everyone now, including criminals who want guns or regular citizens who want to buy guns. Take Gunbroker or Armslist or even Craigslist. It wasn't available back when Australia made its push for gun control.
>>43984900
I'll just use my masculinity privileged proportionate size and strength to pin her underneath her sword and Rance her. You can't pin a girl underneath her own gun. Unless maybe she has a mosin.
>>43984984
>Fight or Flight
>sane person is somewhat panicked when someone is "charging" them with a knife.
>grab purse
>open purse
>Find gun amongst all the shit
>remove gun from carrying case/holster(Because only a fucking idiot leaves a gun just knocking around with all their other shit
>Load gun
>remove safety
>Aim
>Fire
Yeah, I think you overestimate the combat readiness of any sane person who isnt constantly itching for reasons to shoot things.
You also underestimate how fast someone can be with a knife.
>>43980045
>systems where you can lose all your feats from one debuff
???
>>43981847
You literally just need 2 pipes, a screw, and a pipe cap. That's like 5 dollars to make. No tools needed.
>>43980529
>legally purchased weapons
In a different state. Smuggled over the state line.
The guns used were illegal in CA.
The "high-capacity" magazines used were illegal in CA.
The IEDs, were illegal too, of course.Did you know that the vast majority of deaths by legally owned guns are suicides?
>>43985312
D&D/PF
If you need to meet the prerequirements to pick feats, and the moment you don't meet those prerequirements you lose them.
See for example >>43980569
TWF feats ask you high Dex, if for some reason you lose that Dex (being resurrected as a creature with a penalty to Dex counts) you "lose" those feats, you don't lose them per se, you have them, but you can't use them, you literally spent your feats on nothing.
>Gun Nuts say that they're different from "criminals" because they only want their guns for self defense.
>If you even mention the idea of making the purchase of guns harder, they threaten criminal activity.
>>43985312
falling below 13 strength in D&D 3.5e or Pathfinder, losing power attack and every feat that has power attack as a prerequisite, or more likely and more commonly, falling below 13 Int as a fighter and losing combat expertise, improved trip, and every feat with either of those as a prerequisite.
>>43985510
The founding fathers fought hard so I could shoot indiscriminately at people.
Land of the free, mofuggah
>>43985421
>>43985545
I know the rules.
>playing systems where you lose the vast majority of your class features forever/long time because of one debuff
>>43985545
Of falling below 15 Dex and losing two weapon fighting, two weapon defense, oversized two weapon fighting, improved two weapon fighting, and a long etc.
>>43985510
>The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
>Shall not be infringed
>not be infringed
Gee anon, why not find a boot to lick in Europe?
>>43986138
>Buying the individual interpretation
>Not the collective interpretation
Get a load of this guy.
>>43985510
>Let's make the ability for people to use a gun for self defense harder, surely no one will be mad at this.
>Why are people mad they won't let rights people fought and died for be taken away?
>>43986157
That's word for word what the 2nd Amendment says. What do you mean?
>>43985219
While that guy's purse argument wasn't the best, he does have a point. They make so many kinds of holsters for so many different types of carrying (e.g. in waistband, under arm, bra, etc) and even people who don't want to shoot someone, like you know most people, can carry a gun cocked and locked, so to speak, and be ready in seconds.
>>43985363
You still will be laughed at for performing the shittiest school shooting of the decade with that. You need actual guns.
>>43986187
I think he means
>each person gets to own guns
vs
>groups of people can organize a militia, storing guns in some communal armory or whatnot for when you need to do militia business
But either way
>being a slave to an ancient document written in a different cultural context
>>43986187
Actually it says shall not be infringed except by state law. But to play devil's advocate, all males from the age 17 to 40 are apart of the state milita so there's that
>>43986257
Most schools nowadays have actual cops on the premises and it only takes one shot to get a gun
>>43986317
>>being a slave to an ancient document written in a different cultural context that was deliberately written vaguely so it could be adopted to the culture of the time
FTFY
>>43980266
My rule is one level less than your previous character.
>>43980059
I laughed.
>>43983696
>What the fuck are they thinking?
They're thinking Mutants and Masterminds is way more fun than D&D and thus bleed occurs.
>>43985082
>Healers on hand to keep people from dying
>Can't fucking reattach an arm
>In Pathfinder
I'd say yes, personally.
>>43986430
I usually do one level less than average party level, and since I usually keep it even that works out to be "one level under everyone else"
I feel pic related sums up this thread pretty nicely.
>>43986317
Oh, so no one should have a right to free speech anymore? Warrantless searches of your property? Cruel and Unusual punishment is fine now? 1/10 made me reply.
>>43986138
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State
>Militia
>security of a State
Where are civilians in this again?
>>43983895
this dm's a fucking retard, you're still supposed to get XP for bypassing traps and encounters if you stealth your way around them.
>>43986821
>carrying weapons capable of mass murder is an unalianable huan right equal to not getting tortured.
Notice how Murrica is the only modern country retarded enough to actually believe this? I mean you can say that everyone else is stupid and only you are a helicopter, but that doesn't make it true.
>>43986821
This will never not be the most fucktarded argument for having guns.
There are plenty of very good arguments, and that sure as hell isn't one of them.
>>43980551
Would have been more fun to have your DM let you bust the party out but its not the worst.
>>43986829
>I do not know what a militia is
>>43985082
>One armed paladin in PF
You're uberuseless now, reroll character or stay with him till he dies, which should be between 1 or 2 sessions later.
>>43980627
>>43980719
>>43982286
He's asking whether his example counts as a That GM you fucking retards.
>>43986603
Not really healers, more like doctors. Not magic, but heal checks. I don't remember the exact number for their combined heal check, but it was something like 27. It was a completely lopped off limb.
>>43986979
I can't just make do with a one-handed weapon and throwing spears or something?
>>43980529
Fun fact: the vast majority of spree killings in the US happen in gun-free zones.
Because, y'know, people who are cool with committing murder don't generally give a fuck about the fact that the law does not allow them to carry the weaponry they're intending to use to do the deed.
>>43986958
I dunno, maybe some sort of organization with clear rules and restrictions on how, where and when one can get, arm and use guns?
>>43987056
A civilian military force, faggot.
>>43984261
It's called: "I don't want the soccer mum to sue us, saying: "lille jimmy dini du nuthin"."
Seriously. The only way to fix this fucking bullshit is to have the parents of the kid bullied sue the fucking school for being shit.
>>43987052
Fun fact: the vast majority of spree killings in Europe don't happen, because you can't legally purchase a gun and easily carry it to a "gun-fee zone" by walking two feet.
>>43987105
American here. I agree, but the US has a problem with guns in circulation. You aren't going to stop it by simply "banning guns". It's pretty much the same with all shithole third world countries as well.
>>43987043
>Deals way less damage than a 2hder
>Has way less AC than a S&B
>You can't even fucking cast in combat
Even a monk is more useful
Commit sepukku and spare you the shame
>>43987077
But that's what I said.
Or do you really think a militia should just let you carry your own gun, and use it without any kind of training, exams or even looking at your gun? Because that's not how any military force (civilian or otherwise) works.
>>43987130
Anon, every country had guns in circulation before banning them.
>>43987148
Irrelevant. A militia is a civilian armed force. What is should be is meaningless.
>>43987130
Yes, and? You have to start somewhere. The fact that you should have started 100 years ago isn't an excuse not to start now.
>>43987077
The militia's were organized by the local/state government you fucking moron. They are separate from the main army, yet funded by the state. That is literally what a fucking militia is.
>>43987174
>Anon, every country had guns in circulation before banning them.
Europe didn't have fucking assault rifles moron.
>>43987207
>The militia's were organized by the local/state government you fucking moron. They are separate from the main army, yet funded by the state. That is literally what a fucking militia is.
Nope. Dictionary, faggot. Militias could be organised by anyone.
>Europe didn't have fucking assault rifles moron.
Confirmed for knowing fucking nothing about guns. Assault rifles aren't exactly the main killer.
>>43987174
>A militia is a civilian armed force. What is should be is meaningless.
Yes, and? My point still stands. You can't use militia as an excuse to have no gun restrictions, when you
a) don't have a militia
b) even if you had one, it wouldn't let you use your own guns.
>>43987105
What just happened in Paris?
>>43987258
Anon, I'm the guy saying it's a fucking retarded argument to begin with.
I'm just also saying you're fucking retarded.
>>43987207
>Assault rifles are the problem!
Confirmed for not reading statistics. Tell me anon, what constitutes an assault rifle?
>>43987242
>Militias could be organised by anyone.
Do you know what we call militias not formed by the state?
Crime organizations.
>Assault rifles aren't exactly the main killer.
But they were the point where literally every civilised country except the US of A realised guns have to be controlled.
>>43987308
>Every civilized country
Okay anon, I'll level with you. Why is an assault rifle banned?
>>43980045
Sauce? Reverse image gives me nothing.
>>43987308
>Do you know what we call militias not formed by the state?
>Crime organizations.
I know that's what *you* call them.
I know that you're wrong, too. If you think they're not also militia, anyway.
>But they were the point where literally every civilised country except the US of A realised guns have to be controlled.
Is your argument not that Europe did not have assault rifles?
Whether you are that anon or not, they didn't have those.
>>43987289
>a selective-fire rifle
Most rifles in Europe were bolt action.
>>43987138
Well, shit. I'm still going to see if the GM will throw me a bone and let me go on some holy quest to get my arm back. Even some sort of prosthetic could be cool.
>Gun control discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwLjFm6GMBM
>>43987345
>assuming that two people aren't respond to your post
Hilarious.
>>43987374
>A selective fire weapon
Woah shit, check out my assault rifle!
>>43987414
>rifle
Nice fucking idiot strawman.
