>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.blacklibrary.com/faqs-and-errata.html
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
Illiteracy Edition
>>43927223
DIS FRED NOW BELONGS TO DA ORKZ!!
Anyone have a the mega link to all of the books? Looking for Horus Heresy.
All hail the coming of the Demon Emperor! Vas'talos will fall.
For the anons who asked for the text that hundreds of marines died in the initial stages of the Kauyon war, here is (picture related).
From the previous general we realize that Imperialfags are either illiterate (most likely) or extreme selective readers.
>>43927270
I think ImperialFags are just under the impression that the Tau can't actually tell the difference between a Space Marine and a guy in armour.
>>43927255
The old Mega's dead. I can reupload it eventually, but it takes a lot of bandwidth and cajoling to get it on a filesite.
In the meantime:
http://rebeltorrent.net/warhammer-40k-fiction-complete-horus-heresy-series-jan-2014-t8625295.html
>>43927223
40k ethics question.
>Is it wrong to play a super heavy against someone you feel is an inferior player?
>>43927350
If he is comfortable with it, then it's okay. If he seems nervous and unsure of himself, then don't force it. Try your best to calm him down and assure him things are going to be okay and that it won't hurt much.
>>43927350
Superheavies run the gamut of overpowered to underpowered, just like any other type of unit. There's a mile of difference between a Wraithknight, a Baneblade or Imperial Knight, and a Scythed Heirodule. Besides, like it or not, Lords of War are a core part of the game now. They're not a weird bit on the side or an optional addition, but just one more thing you've got to prepare for when building an army list. Just like Flyers were when they were introduced to the game.
I wouldn't roll out a Wraithknight against someone who I felt was a worse player than me, but I wouldn't roll out any unit that I felt was overpowered against such a player.
>>43927270
>From the previous general we realize that Imperialfags are either illiterate (most likely) or extreme selective readers
Judging a whole fanbase based on a few rotten apples.
>>43927292
I think they can. They've bound to perform an autopsy on at least one marine.
>>43927486
>Judging a whole fanbase based on a few rotten apples.
You shouldn't have seen the last thread. Anyways, passing judgements is something Imperialfags tend to do...a lot. So it's only fair.
>>43927270
Dont be such a carnac
>>43927522
Should've*
Is there a torrent or link to the Calpurnia omnibus floating around, and if so, could I have it?
>>43927292
Funny, because I was there, and there were all of two anons. One was chickenposting at you because you didn't back up any of your statements, and the other was just a shitposter.
From this you conclude that all Imperial players are scum.
Fucking Taufags.
>>43927522
>Being this biased against imperialfags
Wow, hating human races while being human is something only a lowlyTaufagwould do.
Guess its time to play the sterotype game
>>43927564
meant >>43927522, shit
>>43927486
>>43927522
Haha. Playing guard, THEY CAN AFFORD TO JUDGE others with all that money they have to spend on their armies.
>>43927527
And don't shit up an entire thread next time. I mean fuck the other guy said he read the Kauyon book and never seen the "hundreds of dead marines" page. All he could have done is Ctrl-F "hundreds" and it would have solved the whole issue but they can't just do that.
>>43927522
Question. What was these threads like when the Cruddance codices came out? I imagine the Nidfags complaining more than the Imperialfags have more. I'm now preparing myself for the CSM and Nid codices. I have four predictions.
1: There will be enough salt to cover the world when they rage over how their factions got worse.
2: No salt. They knew it was only going to get worse.
3: Neutral reactions.
4: Slightly salty because their factions didn't get buffed as much as they hoped for.
Speaking of guard, based on the new Guardurion, can you get nine superheavies per platoon of infantry?
Did anyone save those pics someone was taking of Doom of Mymeara a few days ago?
>>43927600
>Taufaggot and Imperialfaggot both thinking Kauyon had any reliable statements beyond vague numbers and "TAU STRONK" wanking
>>43927583
>>43927564
I came to the thread literally at its last posts and spotted the whole sorry fucking argument. A question, Have you or have you not read the Kauyon book?
>>43927600
>Implying I was the fag from before.
You do relaize there are more then 4 posters on the general threads?
>>43927631
It's not about exact numbers. The other guy claimed that he read the Kauyon book and denied that that the hundreds number was given.
>>43927614
whose going to play against that if you can?
>>43927604
>What was these threads like when the Cruddance codices came out?
The same as all other /tg threads. When does /tg not complain? Whining, complaining, and solving problems in unorthodox fashion is what we do.
>>43927632
Yeah, I have. Don't know if he had or not, as, y'know, not same person.
I mean, Taufag was right, it does.
>>43927632
Why are you bringing it back up? You're the sorry shit trying to spark a stupid conversation up again. Literally kill yourself.
>>43927636
Yeah, that's why I said Imperialfags. It was a whole group of them acting belligerent and spamming chickens.
>>43927659
Answer the bloody question.
>>43927664
Pretty sure it wasn't, and that you have delusions of persecution, since only a single chicken was posted.
>>43927664
>The whole group of them
>two people
Wow, /TG/ sure is dead.
Atleast we know now that there are more imperialfags then you have brain cells.
2>0
>>43927631
Are you ready for the only good thing in the CSM dex being Abaddon, formations that require models you don't have and won't help you, and meh quality fluff?
>>43927564
Not really him. I'm the one. I was attempting to predict a future for the Imperium and the Farsight beyond the Firewall based on the losses of the Imperium and the Tyranids. I didn't have time to search for proof at the time. The other anon claimed just 12 dead Space Marines, which it is absurd even for the most optimistic estimates and every battle described.
>>43927664
>"whole group of them acting belligerent"
>"we realize that Imperialfags are either illiterate"
Am I going to be the one who has to say it?
>>43927685
Yes, it's dead and you killed it.
At least I have enough braincells to read, unlike you guys.
>>43927696
Well, I remembered one dude who said that 8-12 chapters had been killed or something, but not that someone had said 12 individual marines.
Wait, so were you the guy who said that "The Imperium is doomed because of the losses they took in the Gulf?"
Post ways on how Tyranids can get worse, or will knowing the Crud.
Got a couple curious questions guys. Is it normal to have four different armies after three months of wargaming? I mean I have been a fan of Warhammer for a long time but only recently have been able to spend fuck tons of money on the miniatures themselves thanks to my new job.
Second question is: can someone please link me to where I can find the stats on an imperator Titan? I am curious how powerful it is Crunch wise being the most expensive thing points wise.
>>43927700
Aggression can only be met with aggression.
>>43927696
Yeah, the Imps said like a dozen marines died. What's up with that? The Kauyon and Mont'ka art alone has more than a dozen dead marines.
>>43927709
Stop posting, please. You are acting like a child. Its arguements like these that make 8ch look better then 4chan.
Can we please have a 40k General that doesn't turn into Tauskub vs Impskub? Please? Just one?
>>43927745
I will. I am over it. I am done.
>>43927741
Well, it's pretty early in the day for him to be posting, and it doesn't quite sound like him...
>>43927749
Where the fuck do you think you are, Warseer?
It's always X-skub vs. Y-skub here.
How does Kharn's "I hit on 2+" rule interact with things like Invisibility and the Warlord Titan's "You hit on 6s" rule?
>>43927733
>Wait, so were you the guy who said that "The Imperium is doomed because of the losses they took in the Gulf?"
No, I just said that particular part of the Imperium beyond the Firewall was likely exhausted and doomed to the unexpected Tyranid invasion. I was speculating about the possibility of an unsanctioned alliance with Farsight or, if the prophecy is correct, conquered by him.
>Imperial fags are stupid because conversaion last night
>Here is pick of what proves im right
>Just because it was only a few people, doesn't mean that all imperialfags arent stupid.
>Have you read Crayon?1!!1!
>FUCKING IMPERIAL FAGS RUIN EVERYTHING.
Pic related
>>43927749
What's coming up next? Any rumors on anything that might be cool? I heard Death Guard vs Nids, but then I heard Deathwatch vs Nids which is most likely. Was hoping it was DG vs Nids because now people can use Footstool, the Plauged Marine.
>>43927772
Then can it at least be different skub for a change?
>>43927778
ugh. kharn. never. misses.
something is going to dieburn. maim. kill.
>>43927793
I agree.
They do ruin everything.
>>43927810
Kharn misses on a 1, if there's no other squad there with him.
Is the baal predator any good? Either dakka or salamanda configuration.
>>43927793
>>Have you read Crayon?1!!1!
>>43927792
Oh, okay.
Since I have no idea about force dispositions in the Damocles Gulf after the books, I'll just say that I wouldn't think the Imperium would have committed a particularly valuable quantity of materiel to the Revengeance Force or whatever, since it was basically always a suicide mission (from what I understood).
>>43927778
Oh, I think there's a clause about things like this in the core rulebook. If you have two rules which trigger at the same time but have effects which counteract one another, the player who's turn it is decides the order in which they're resolved.
So if you had Kharn fighting against an Invisible Librarian, on the Chaos player's turn they could have Invisibility apply first then be countered by Gorechild, then the reverse in the Space Marine player's turn.
Alternatively, if I'm misremembering and this rule doesn't exist or wouldn't apply, you could the rules cancel one another out and roll to hit normally, or compromise and say Kharn hits on a 4+ instead.
>>43927834
Yeah, for what it is. It's not retard-stronk, but it holds its own for its points cost.
Just remember that the burny one has to be in melta range to be effective.
>>43927690
>Abby becomes LoW
>Drach'nyen becomes SD
>...but only if you take him in a formation of 3-5 chosen, one of each cult and some warp talons, with landraiders
>no other changes
>>43927798
The rumour is Deathwatch vs Nids. The faggot that called it Death Guard slipped it as a misnomer.
>>43927864
You may be thinking of pic related.
However, would Invisibility and Kharniness both be considered Advanced Rules? Or just the Kharn bits?
>>43927912
Invisibility is in BRB, so... Codex trumps BRB. Kharn gives no fucks about your psychic bullshit.
>>43927874
But you get free digital weapons on all the Characters in the formation!
>>43927927
Yeah, I read it that way too. Clear conflict between "always hit on 2+" and "incoming hits need 6+", and codex takes precedence.
>>43927798
>the rumours of plastic plague marines will never come true
I have more than I need of the 3.5 metal models but I still want more... GW plz
>>43927912
>You may be thinking of pic related.
No, I seem to remember there being something else - it's specifically about the order which rules take effect. The biggest issue was clearing up how you resolve multiple rules which work "at the start of the turn" - namely, the player who's turn it is chooses.
That said it's entirely possible that I'm imagining things. I'd probably just say the abilities cancel one another out and roll to hit on normal WS's for ease of play.
>>43927751
He lied, thinking to himself "I won that internet argument. I get goodboy points for some chicken tendies!"
>>43927996
The bastard!
>>43927739
Any answers to my questions here please? Really curious.
>>43927265
Pointing your sword at the enemy... Not your plasma rifle. Fucken xenos.
>>43928035
If you have the money, it's pretty normal. Most players don't, of course, and so only run one or two armies.
As for the Imperator, I don't think it's ever been given stats outside of Epic.
>>43928035
Not really to that extent, although buying more plastic crack before you've built & painted what you've got is pretty common. The danger is you end up with a massive backlog that you just can't face up to, so end up not getting anything completed. Are you getting stuff painted etc.? If not, maybe get on with what you have before buying any more.
>>43927739
Sounds like you don't know how to manage your money. You want to get me a few things? I've got a sizable Games Workshop wishlist :^)
>>43927846
Initial Imperial reinforcements after the Agrellan was conquered were (picture related).
After the loss at Prefectia and the death of the RavenGuard Chapter Master, the High Lords upped the reinforcements coming to the region by an unknown but sizable amount.
The objective was to push the xenos back to the other side of the gulf and crush them once and for all.
>>43928099
>The danger is you end up with a massive backlog that you just can't face up to, so end up not getting anything completed.
I can confirm this. Owner of over 1,000 little toy men, buying more and never getting anything painted.Help.
>>43928110
Forgot my picture.
Anyone got any real life experience with Dreamforge's Leviathans? How close are they in size to GW's Knights? Is it a suitable proxy?
Is there a worse price to points model than this thing?
>>43928124
I think they look stupid in comparison to the actual knight model. Here is a picture of the like sized models
>>43928124
I must say I don't care for the appearance, but it sounds like they're very similar in height.
>>43928161
>>43928161
Alas, my dreams of a thousand-model Drone Net will never happen without fucking absurd quantities of dosh.
>>43928161
This model could probably make 2 or 3 other ork models. I'm seriously debating on getting one just for the parts.
>>43928062
Do Imperials not want Tau to utilize melee now? I guess I'll tell all Tau player to gunline it up.
>>43927223
Is it acceptable to bring a Riptide on a 1250 point list?
>>43928124
eh, close enough.
>>43928065
Where can I find the Epic stats for stuff?
>>43928099
Well, disregarding the Curaçao trip I was at for the last five days, all I do in my free time these days is paint my minis and game against others at my FLGS or against my friend. My friend's been mad helpful, too helping me paint shit and I help him paint his stuff/let him use my Betrayal at Calth leftovers for his Ultramarines army. I am in general just very surprised how helpful and nice everyone has been with the miniature war gaming aspect of Warhammer. Yeah we skub a lot here recently with Taushit, but other than that everyone's been real nice.
>>43928101
Well, the only bad buys for me were the initial Chaos shit I had, and that's cuz they suck in 40k. Even then I was able to use bartertown to trade most of those away for my fourth army (Dark Eldar.) Get my Chaos fix from 30k Word Bearers who play like how I intended CSM to do in 40k. The only miniatures I don't have in use are Betrayal at Calth Terminator looking guys (not sure you want to use Termies in 40k so idk if you want them!) My next planned army is 30k Thousand Sons (Word Bearers/TS my favorite SM/CSM groups period) so I won't be getting a new army in a long time.
>>43928242
God, fuck off. It was obviously a joke.
>>43928250
A single Riptide? Sure.
>>43928110
>>43928119
And here is the escalation after Prefectia.
>>43928257
I believe there's an old Epic rulebook up in OP's rules Mega.
In case you don't know, though, they're nothing like 40K stats. Epic was a completely different game.
>>43928226
there are a shit ton of parts, I bought 1 and am converting another 4 from rhino doors, stompa bits, Battlewagon bits, Trukk bits, and anything else with flat or angled armour that look like field artillery pieces
>>43928161
Also is there a way that /tg/ likes to field these? 1d4chan seems to like all the variants (except Zzap and Bubblechukka) but when I talked about the Smasha the other day it was like I had mentioned Riptides or Wraithknights
>>43928299
Thanks! Interesting...I always thought Epic was like Dark Vengeance where it's mostly like 40k but with like different objectives.
>>43928302
Oh, /tg/'s a bunch of faggots when it comes to Orks. Zzap completely sucks, it's true, and the Bubblechukka is amusing to field at least once, but is completely unreliable.
I can't say I've seen a lot of success coming from Smasha Kannons, but if you feel confident about it, take them. They're hardly utter shit. They will pop tanks for you.
>>43928169
>>43928181
>don't like the appearance
I dunno, this guy just speaks to me somehow. I love it.
>>43928161
Skitarii Dragoons. $50 for 50 points. It's ridiculous.
Has anyone been able to make the Cadian Detachment work?
The buffs and relics from it seem fun and interesting but the basic costs of a single core choice (both models and pointswise) makes it extremely hard to work with.Also anyone else notice a worrying kind of AoS-esque "casualising?"
I mean specifically in that a lot of the campaign missions straight up say "Don't use points values for this mission" and to just pick a formation and use the units from that instead.
Not to mention the basic fact that these formation reach baffling points values to begin with (3 Baneblades chassis' what the fuck).
40kGen, please decide for us. What game should we play tomorrow - Zombicide + all expansions, Chaos in the Old World, Arkham Horror, or Betrayal at Calth + Space Hulk?
>>43928427
That Mek gun is $50 for 18-30pts.... and they can be fielded in 5's... to be fair though converting new ones isn't that hard
>>43927927
Yeah, but what about other shit that makes you hit on 6s that's Codex-tier? Like the Phantom Titan someone posted a few days back?
>>43928514
I still can't believe they made one of the core choices 173 models minimum. FUCK OFF GW.
So if someone's tryna make a Deathwatch army, for chapter tactics are they able to use any of them or none of them?
>>43928514
>Has anyone been able to make the Cadian Detachment work?
You can just take the formations on their own though right?
I'm interested in Psykana Division, but fuck am i gonna do any of the core shit, the entire Cadia decurion is too limited in choice.
Surely you can still field formations as add-ons to your normal CAD army like we did before decurions existed.
>>43928514
I don't even have the models to make HALF of a core choice let alone an auxiliary choice and GW can get fucked if they think I'm going to buy 5 boxes of infantry for this.
>>43927604
>I imagine the Nidfags complaining more than the Imperialfags have more
That's for CSM since they actually have things in common with Imperial factions. Tyranid bitching was centered around The new IB tables, loss of Biomancy, Tervigons being nurfed to the fucking ground, Primes becoming insanely cost inefficient compared to Tyrants that are just 40 pts more expensive, Talons becoming nearly useless and even fucking SwarmlordCruddace's special snowflakegot nurfed and some how becoming more expensive
>>43928625
Tradition dictates you go with Imperial Fists tactics, just for the bolter buff, as far as I know.
>>43928588
And 1005 points base no upgrades.
The Tank Company isn't that better either.
>>43928627
But that Wrath of Cadia is too goofy to pass up.
>>43927737
Infantry units gain the Swarm special rule. MC units become Infantry.
>>43928627
Nope.
To get a psykana division you need to take the whole thing, core choice and all.
>>43928302
Got any pics? I'm just going to ask for one for Christmas, if I don't get it then I'll buy it afterwards. Does it come with all types of barrels.
>>43928393
>1 Trakktor Kannon with an ammo runt
>33 points
>brings a flyrant down every time
I would never play any other form of it. My HS slot is already the most jammed slot there is. Oh and on the ORKs....waagh
>>43928719
This is incorrect.
>>43928627
If it has the Formation symbol, the little circle with three skulls on it, it can be taken separately. You won't get the overarching Detachment abilities, but really, who gives a shit about that?
>>43928719
Says who? it's just a formation.
Notice the Riptide wing and Ethereal council DO NOT appear anywhere in the Farsight Dawn blade detachment.
>>43928546
>Space Hulk
What did you think we would say?
>>43928734
Yeah, I'm not saying its not the best by far. It's quite literally the best AA in the game. It just seemed like anon wasn't interested, so I focused on alternatives.
>>43928758
So anyone else thinking the Emperor's Spear Valkyrie wing has made Flesh Tearers drop pods obsolete?
God, imagine the War-Convo cheese with one of those.
>>43928787
>God, imagine the War-Convo cheese with one of those.
War convocation player here. No. If there's one thing we don't need, it's staying off the table for a turn. Besides, Flesh Tearers Drop Pods lets you take a nice little Librarian for some psychic presence - something the War Convocation is lacking in.
Is the siege assault vanguard organization for vanilla marines only?
![250px-ozymandias1-2k8hbqu[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/HTera5Y.png "250px-ozymandias1-2k8hbqu[1].png")
>>43928817
>not gaze upon my works ye mighty and despair
>>43928734
I unfortunately dont have the models on me right now, but yes I believe them come with every gun, the GW website should have pics of the sprues. This video shows the basic idea although mine are much more compact than his
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTgRLlOUQpA
>>43927802
How about Sisterskub vs Dark Eldarskub?
>>43927824
So by that logic if GW releases a novel with every faction but the Imperium and the novel causes the fans of those factions to be salty and complain and ruin threads, the Imperialfags will still be ruining the threads even if they're not the reason for the threads being ruined.
>>43927874
>Footstool won't be fighting Nids
At least the Deathwatch is still cool.
>>43927977
You're playing Nurglites so don't hope. Give into despair.
>>43928847
As it stands, yes. It shouldn't be too hard to craft your own variant.
>>43928876
I'm fine with fighting about Sisters and Dark Eldar.
I think that sisters players need to stop bitching, as most of them started playing well after they knew that the army never gets updated (a claim which I shall never substantiate) and the same can probably be said for Dark Eldar players.
>>43928934
>the army never gets updated (a claim which I shall never substantiate)
Sisters got a codex update more recently than non-khorne Chaos Marines or Guard.
>>43928934
plastic sisters when?
>inb4 plastic sisters
>>43928951
True, but model line is where I see most of the bitching. For the most part, 40k players are used to violent and bizarre rules swings. We bitch about it, but we mostly accept it as being inevitable. The unforgivable thing is a self-proclaimed miniatures company not making miniatures.
>>43928934
Now I want to see an actual fight in the fluff with Sisters and DEldar.
>>43928975
>I think I saw something like that on porntube once
Is centurion star with Draigo still any good? Competitively. For max cheese, Tiggy or Loth?
>>43928924
That kinda sucks, but I'll look at what I can use.
>>43928161
>implying
>Sister of Silence takes up sorcery sometime after the HH, and manages to develop a soul
>She astral projects into the past and possesses a group of psykers
>She tries to warn her comrade in the past about the events of the future, about the opening off the Great Eye
>She tells them that she is one of them from the future and that they must take her to the Emperor to deliver her warning
>A zealous Sister of Silence kills the younger self of the astral projecting sister
>the future Sister dies alongside her past self, and her warning is not deliver
Why does this keep happening?
>>43928982
I'm sure the fan artists would draw art of DEldar and Sisters having hatesex with each other.
>>43928998
>Tiggy
Didn't know he was called that.
>>43929042
What? That never happens.
>>43929037
God almighty that thing gave me instant terminal brain cancer and I dont even play Nids.... hope you bug boys get a good update
>>43929047
At least Tigurius used to be called Tiggy. Don't see why this would've changed but then again I don't follow many 40k communities.
>>43929057
It always happens. A dude somehow time travel from the future and tries to warn everyone. For his effort he gets killed or worse.
>>43929068
I haven't heard before. How many characters have nicknames?
>Abby, Lord Topknot
>Papa Smurf
>Grandfather Smurf, Rowboat Girlyman, Rawbutt Gorillaman
>Emps, Big E
>Sang
>Morty
>Pert
>Sigs, Siggy
>>43929079
You would think with all of the stuff in the galaxy, the Inquisition would believe in time travelers.
>>43929037
I love the model and the general idea of the thing, but I just can't pick one up with those rules and points cost. It would just never, ever, see the table.
>>43929042
It keeeeps happening
>>43929102
>I love the model and the general idea of the thing, but I just can't pick one up
Slap an Acid Spray on it and field it as a Tyrannofex that looks like a huge Hive Guard
>>43929037
Humour me. Why is this thing bad? The only thing I can readily see is the fact it costs 205 points for a shitty save that will get wrecked by a few autocannon shots from out of its threat range.
I know librarius conclave is good, but how do you place them?
I don't think they're a unit so it's a gaggle of models that can join other units?
>>43929165
Because it isnt a wraith knight
>>43929165
It doesn't need anything else. It will never do anything of worth before getting absolutely wrecked, and if it doesn't do anything, that's that many points that you just wasted.
>>43929171
They stick together. You only get the bonuses if they are 12" away from eachother
>>43929101
That's a pretty good list already. I can't think of anything right now but I'll add to that if any come to mind.
>>43929165
It serves no purpose other than to generate 2 WC, cast 1 power from the Tyranid table and synapse. All that for 205 pts as where Zoanthropes do that and more for 50 pts.
Don't even get me started on that Witchfire it has... Utter trash
>>43929236
Grimmy for Grimnar
>>43929195
I know the models have to be within 12" but can they join other units?
>>43929150
How does it end? I admit I'm getting a delicious amount of Schadenfreude from hearing an AI disassemble everything considered holy by the Admech and watching them get slapped around by a machine drunk on God-Mode and Logic.
>>43929297
Yes, they are all ICs and can deploy and move as such
>>43929376
The Imperials who survive the confrontation flee the ship and watch it blast its way outta of the space hulk, engage its Warp drives, and disappear, presumably on a path towards the borders of the galaxy and the emptiness beyond.
>>43929447
Awesome, good end.
>>43929150
>they left their wireless on.
don't do that.
>>43927631
He literally just posted some exact numbers you daftie.
Is this a good way to start 40k? 40k models look boring to me compared to WHFB (RIP), but I like skitarii designs. I also hear they don't need an HQ which is nice. How manypoints can I field out of this box? I'm not into competitive scene but I would like to win sometimes.
>>43929756
Codex is in op post, will answer 90% of your questions
When looking at GW bundles, check prices vs buying everything individually, normally it's not a savings
You'll do okay with those units, but will probably want some stuff from the other admech army as well.
>>43929756
Off a guess it looks like around 600 points, but that's without upgrades.
With upgrades probably just shy of 800.
>>43928250
politeness chart:
>one vehicle with a facing of armor 13+ or one monstrous creature with t+w>8 per 250pts.
>one non-aegis wall fortification per 500pts
>one flyer or FMC per 750pts
>one superheavy or gargantuan creature per 1000th
>1250
>one riptide
it checks out, captain.
>>43929756
Yes, it's an excellent way to start the game.
I'm just salty that I bought literally all of that except the Onager, and now they came out with the Funbox.
As for how much you can build out of it, it starts at 600 and goes up for the Battle maniple formation, so I'm guessing about 1000 points if you kit shit out the fun way?
>>43929815
>admech players paying for their upgrades
>>43929837
It's just the Battle Maniple. He needs to pick up the rest of it after.
>>43929756
I just did the math. Kitting it out the way you're going to want it kitted out later drops you to 970 points, and the extra 30 should be easy to find.
>>43929837
I use them for cheap allies, can't commit to convocation when I'm building another army.
>>43929867
>>43929756
For the record, what I'd call a Good List out of that box:
Ironstrider Ballistari: 75
- Cognis Twin-Linked Lascannon
Onager Dunecrawler: 115
- Neutron Laser
5 Infiltrators w/ Flechette Blasters and Taser Goats: 195
- Conversion Field on Princeps
5 Ruststalkers w/ Chordclaw and Razors: 190
- Conversion Field and Omniscient Mask on Princeps
10 Rangers: 185
- 3 Arc Rifles
- Conversion Field on Alpha
10 Vanguard: 210
- 3 Plasma Calivers
- Conversion Field on Alpha
>>43928035
>>43929867
>>43929833
Nice, I might go for it. It's kinda shitty that there are like 6 types of units for the whole faction though, but it makes it easier to have one of everything which I like.
I don't like the look of the other Ad mech faction though.
>>43929931
I dunno about the eradication beamer, he'll already have haywire in two or three units.
Seems like too much AV for 1000 point games.
>>43930127
A s10 ap1 small blast isn't just anti-AV, friend. It solves a lot of different problems. Besides, he's going to want to scale this army up eventually, and when he hits 1500+ it's going to be a godsend.
>>43930151
Probably too much to ask him to magnetize his options here.
But long term thinking is better yeah.
>>43930151
What can I add for 1500 pts? More walkers?
>>43930127
>too much AV
>>43930176
Hey, I'm okay with magnets if there's enough surface area to drill into.
>>43930183
How do you feel about the Cult Mechanicus? And/or the Imperial Knights? Because you can JUST fit a War Convocation into 1000 points.
>Formations are killing Warhammer
Discuss
>>43930151
IIRC Eradication beamer is only S10 ap1 single shot, not blast
>>43928225
A dollar a drone on ebay
>>43930230
fornations are exactly the thing warhammer needed. literally the best thing to happen to the game in a decade.
>>43930247
You remember wrong, friend. I like to slap smoke launchers on mine, so that if they get Shaken they can deploy the Smoke and be protected so that next turn they aren't Shaken.
>>43930230
Incorrect. 6e killed Warhammer. Formations, at least in the form 7e is doing them, are revitalizing it.
There are ton of online retailers that get 20-30% off GW product, is there anyone that does the same for Forgeworld that's not recasts?
Looking for a few sets of these;
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Space-Marine-Heavy-Weapons-Set
>>43930230
Progressively OP shit, no balance and codex writers playing favourites together are killing warhammer. Formations as a concept as fucking great and allow for a lot of customization and fun.
>>43930247
I thought all 3 profiles are small blasts.
>>43930209
Oh goodies then, the onager is pretty much made with magnets in mind.
>>43930297
This.
Also constant giant xbox heug shit looking plastic kits AND GW not knowing the difference between a monster and a walker anymore is also killing the game off (for me)
But formations are fun.
Hey all, I've been working on this project of mine in my off time from work and games, and thought you might be able to help me streamline this out.
I've been in the development of a homebrew codex for warhammer: 40,000 for the Rak'Gol, a rather untouched piratical and salvaging race known for their brutality, merciless slaying, and cyberetic augmentation. That, and that their technology is somehow worse than the orks.
Look them up on 1d4chan if youve got the time, while there's nothing much there, it does give you a general idea of where to go for these lizard-insect things!
Anyways, give this a good reading, and let me know what you think, what you would change, add, or remove.
Points are somewhat in place, but all units need unit sizes and points, some special characters, and maybe one or two more interesting rules.
Anything is up for this, so please have at it, and let me know what you think so I can improve it.
Inb4 OCDon'tStealPlz
>>43930193
The meta's still shit and vehicles aren't popular around here since the tau can get better things.
Speaking as a different anon.
>>43930217
what? it's minimum size is over 1000
>>43930271
Just checked and I didn't you dingus.
0-9" is single shot S10 Ap1, further out is S8 AP3 blast and even further is S6 AP4 large blast.
>>43930303
where are you guys getting your rules from?
>>43930230
I don't think they're killing it, I think it's leading back into options and rules out the ass.
But that's a good thing to me.
>>43930356
Maybe I was remembering the space marine beam thing? They all sound alike to me.
>>43930335
>Also constant giant xbox heug shit looking plastic kits AND GW not knowing the difference between a monster and a walker anymore is also killing the game off (for me)
I want Apocalypse to go and not come back.
>>43930347
I meant 1500 points. My bad.
>>43930356
I also meant the Neutron Laser. I'm going to bed now, as I clearly need it more than I thought I did. Goodnight, /tg/.
So I'm building my first army (Blood Angels) and beyond the obligatory two boxes, what's a good number of Tactical Marines to have?
>>43930340
Want to trade? Its nothing but vehicles for me. I dont even bother with infantry anymore, Aside from the dirt cheap mandatory fleshy 5+ cover save
>>43930371
>>43930247
WAIT A MINUTE I'M NOT GOING TO BED AT ALL, YOU GUYS ARE JUST FAGGOTS. I said the Neutron Laser. Why the fuck did you ask about the Eradication Beamer?
>>43930356
the third profile is the 24-48" range yeah?
The stock gun looks like it'd work in a ton of scenarios.
>>43930297
>allow for a lot of customization and fun.
>customization
>take 3 of unit A and 1 of unit B and get rerolls for things
They literally tell you exactly the units you have to take, they are the bane of customization
>>43930265
>fornations are exactly the thing warhammer needed. literally the best thing to happen to the game in a decade.
Disagree with this. They just seem like a cheap way to get people to buy more models under the disguise of "muh tacticool diversity".
Half the time they're not even fluffy.
>>43930391
I would if I could.
I inherited a deathwing force a friend had collected and it agitates me that he put chainfists on every model that could take them.
But paying for them would be pointless cause it's nothing but creatures, or skimmers in two very specific cases.
>>43930436
>They literally tell you exactly the units you have to take, they are the bane of customization
It's customization on a whole different level. Instead of "HQ and 2 Troops, max 3 anything else", it's "This formation and this one". You're more limited than the CAD when you pick to take a formation, but you get to pick which one you want, and that means a lot.
> Half the time they're not even fluffy.
A bold claim, considering GW writes the damn fluff.
I dont care if some formations are OP. tryhards are gonna tryhard no matter what. that's just a fact of life we have to occasionally deal with.
I would much rather get my monthly boot up the ass from a mixed force that looks like something that might actually be fielded by the faction in setting because that specific layout unlocked some nonsense than take it from two minimum troops and three riptides or a GUO and 4 princes, or 6 hell drakes, or a bunch of eldar and deldar named characters in a mob.
>>43930535
I fucking hate IC mobs.
>>43929165
Aside from having a shitty save, only thing it really does is be a psyker, and it's not even a very good one. It gets one power from the (pretty lackluster) Nid powers, and won't even get a free Primaris power because its other power is not from the same discipline. And the unique power it has, which you'd think would be the big thing about it, is rubbish.
It's a withcfire which means that after casting it you still have to hit your target (with you bs a of 3), and it's basically a shitty version of psychic shriek, the Primaris power of Telepathy (ie. the thing you get for free if you take all your powers from the disciple that has the bets power in the game). Psychic shriek has shorter range (18 vs 24) and doesn't have (a very small) chanse of hitting a specific model, but costs half the warp charges, making it much easier to cast, and has potential to do a lot more wounds against low- or average ld targets.
>>43930436
>Disagree with this. They just seem like a cheap way to get people to buy more models
No, you're thinking of Unbound, or the integration of Apocalypse into 40k to sell expensive units
If anything seeing a cool formation and then noticing a shitty restriction or 'tax unit' makes you abandon the whole thing, losing them money. (See: Almost every new Cadia formation)
>Half the time they're not even fluffy.
This is just blatantly untrue m8. Most formations are based upon typical composition within the fluff AND almost every single formation comes with it's own flavor text to elaborate upon where it fits into the world
Sounds like you're just parroting someone else's thoughts or trying to rail against the crowd.
>>43930555
P-people actually do this? Are they high?
I understand it might be fun in Apoc but even there it's a shitty, shitty pointsink supreme.
>>43930585
It's a thing, yeah. I regularly get rolled over by a Space Wolf player who only has two units on the table at the start of the game - each one is a squad of wolves with a bunch of attached ICs. The wolves are there to be a meatshield and allow the 2-3 characters each to join the same squad and hit you when they get close. It's big enough to engage multiple units in melee, fast enough to get tehre, has enough wounds to survive doing it, and can play for tabling if you decide to get fancy.
>>43930585
I used to field a 1050 point Necron deathstar in 6th for giggles.
An Overlord, 5 Lords and one of each Necron discipline loaded to the fucking gills with every bit of wargear available. It was actually nigh-indestructible and god help you if you got in Cc with it but otherwise it was just a glorious pants-on-head-retarded distraction carnifex equivalent.
>>43930585
I never looked into it very far but I've fought an ork player who always has this centerpiece of his army that's bikes that has five power klaws, a mek with a banner, and a warboss with the lucky stikk.
And being a DA player I can't, simply can't KILL THEM.
my imperial knight gets mobbed to death and a 4++ invulnerables with three chances to reroll per model...
Gah
Only time i've seen it done is with orks but jesus christ lucky stikk.
>>43930682
>a 4++ invulnerables with three chances to reroll per model...
That's not how this works! That's not how any of this works! How are they claiming a 4++ in CC, and how are members of the squad other than the warboss claiming use of the Stikk?
>>43928787
>So anyone else thinking the Emperor's Spear Valkyrie wing has made Flesh Tearers drop pods obsolete?
>God, imagine the War-Convo cheese with one of those.
Drop pods are 35 points
>>43930710
That's how it went, most of my first attempt was mugging them with some DW knights cause I didn't get any of them with shooting.
Killed two cause they were outside his invuln bubble, or he let them die.
And then a stream of horseshit including shooting, and eventually trying to tank shock them with a baneblade.
The mek died but the game ended with him on every objective since he only threw half his points at me, so the board was still green.
>>43930846
The mek gives a 5++ bubble, and the Stikk only works for the warlord. You may want to read the book.
>>43930710
But yeah, one big unit.
How is the lucky stikk supposed to work?
>>43930846
I play Dangels and was wondering if it's worth buying a SS to go with the mace of redemption on my Termie-Chaplain, is it worth losing one attack for T5 when in base contact with the Deathwing Knights he will teleport in with?
>>43930889
Unless the termie chaplain gets two CC weapons with or without the special weapon rule he loses an attack anyway, I don't pick SS's though since he already has a rosarius.
What's /tg/ opinion on Swiftclaws and Skyclaws?Beyond "Not as good as Thunderwolves"
>>43930889
ALSO, T5 termies leads to pleasant odds.
>>43930569
>If anything seeing a cool formation and then noticing a shitty restriction or 'tax unit' makes you abandon the whole thing, losing them money. (See: Almost every new Cadia formation)
that's more real effect vs. intended effect.
The Space Marine formation is the primest of example of this.
So is War Convocation.
Giving you free shit based upon you buying models.
Does anyone have 10 Razorbacks lying around?
Probably not, but the most encouraged (and best) way to run marines now requires 10 of them!
And War Convocation just gives you free upgrades making units cost way less than they should, which means you get to take more models (and consequentially give GW more money).
>>43930506
>every single formation comes with it's own flavor text to elaborate upon where it fits into the world
thats my point.
Formations make fluff to justify shit they provide.
But the Tau?
>Broadsides now have jetpacks that let them deepstrike duh, they are also relentless :^)
Tau is really what I was referring to with the fluff comment, as it seems like a lot of the fluff their formations were based on were WHOLLY the flavour text.
The Space Marine Formation is another example though.
Does every chapter use Mechanised lists? They do now!
They did release other formations, but they require another investment into a shitty campaign book.
>Sounds like you're just parroting someone else's thoughts or trying to rail against the crowd.
No, this is just what I've come to conclude after looking at 30k rules.
>>43930846
>>43930682
>>43930884
Would definitely have a sit down with this guy because the only way Orks get a 4++ is from the special Relic from Waaagh Ghazkull supplement and its only against shooting attacks. The Warlord is also the only one who gets Lukky Stik rerolls and he would have to be from a seperate detachment since Lukky Stikk is a Ork Codex relic...
>>43931066
Also if he is running a Painboy in that Biker unit they would get 5+ Feel no Pain which your Knight should ignore and be Instantly Killing all of his bikes in CC (unless it somehow isnt Str 10)
>>43931098
>unless it somehow isnt Str 10
The only way it isn't Str D is if it's the Paladin, at which point it's got enough dakka to wipe the squad off the table anyway.
>>43930710
>>43930884
The bikes get A 4+ ARMOR SAVE, 5 _ FNP IF HE BOUGHT A PAINBOY oops, a 4 + cover save from exhaust cloud special rule, and if he bought cybork bodies oh wait they nerfed that,.........
>>43931098
>>43931140
Yeah, none of them have eternal warrior so a single wound is all that's needed to kill one of the dudes.
Battlecannon will instant death the nobz as well.
Honestly it sounds like a rather shit tactic as if he's paying 75 points + mek + bike for the Kustom Force Field when he could jink for a better result.
>>43931208
with all of the tau floating around removing cover it might not be such a bad idea. And theres no reason why that kff mek has to be attached to that squad. Its not a bad investment.
>>43931178
3+if they jink with exhaust cloud
>>43930846
You are most certainly being rused here.
Deathwing Knights should be able to take on that Deathstar 1vs1 let alone all of the other shit.
He's making up his own rules and taking you for a dick.
>>43931178
>>43931066
well then it was fucked up from the start, and i'll make sure the organizer points this stuff out to him the next time we have a tournament.
>>43931208
Battlecannon wont knock them out, Toughness 5 with the Bikes.
Also kinda forgot about the Jinking, if thats what is giving you problems then just make sure you get the charge off with the Imperial Knight, which shouldn't be too hard, it'll deny him charging Attack bonuses and the Furious Charge Str bonus
>>43931270
>Tournament
Good lord dont tell me that shitter won. Shamed to know there is someone who is either not reading his own rules or cheating with the boyz.
>>43931291
While it might be different next time charging mobs with power klaws has brought very negative results.
And i've been using a Knight errant, though I could switch it out for the battle cannon rather easily.
>>43930230
Best thing to ever happen more like.
>>43931333
Nah, he didn't win, it was a vehicle themed tourny and I'm pretty sure the eldar player that brought fire prisms out the ass won.
Also had the holo-belt titan but for most purposes the tanks are why he won.
>>43930569
Sounds like you're clinging to the notion that 40k is a legit game based on legit fluff.
It sounds harsh, but some of you guys are having the wool pulled over your eyes. Creativity is not the driving force behind 40k. Fluff is now written with sales in mind, thats tough to accept I know. But believing that formations are based on anything but sales is just being willfully ignorant.
>>43931392
> now
As opposed to when, precisely?
>>43930383
2 boxes.
>>43930627
The fuck do you play
>>43931392
>Fluff is now written with sales in mind
>Now
>>43931415
Necrons and Marines. I've been building an AdMech force for fun. Dabbled in DE for a while, but they weren't my thing, and I've swapped armies with my Chaos-playing friend several times.
>>43930297
Yeah 40k is out of control. Formations have ruined casual pick up games. Theyve fostered and encouraged WAAC behavior, and pushed fun/fluff players away from the game.
>hurrdurr Im a fluffy player. Optimized Stealth Cadre and 3 Stormsurges was right in the campaign supplement. See its right here! Fluff hurrrdurrrrrrhurrrdur!
>>43930271
>revitalizing
If by revitalizing you mean marginalizing thematic or fluffy players, while catering to competitive and waac players - then yes, they are revitalizing it.
I dont consider alienating part of your playerbase a revitalization though.
>>43931484
Ok when did they begin using fluff to drive sales? Because unless Im missing something, this is a recent trend.
>>43931407
Give me an example as unmistakeable as the recent Tau supplement.
>>43931641
How's about in 5e, when everything suddenly had a new model line made up of the Best Shit Ever for the army and if you tried playing it the old way you were guaranteed to lose?
>>43931562
>marginalizing thematic or fluffy players, while catering to competitive and waac players
this argument, still haven't seen this defended in any intelligent fashion.
>>43931507
>Iyanden player
>Wraith out the ass and yes, I have a Wraithknight in my list
>not fluffy
Fuck off m8. It's not my fault the army I like is OP. You're describing WAAC, not fluffy players.
I have enough problems gimping my army enough to make it still fun to play against without you faggots giving me shit for happening to like a style of army that is considered meta.
>>43931366
So what do you play? Eldar, Necrons, Tau, WarConvo? Space Marines maybe?
Would you have the same opinion if you played Orks, SoB, CSM, or Blood Angels.
Of course not. Youre probably an overweight, self-serving, instant gratification addicted retard. Wholly incapable of recognizing an opinion other than your own.
>>43928252
What is that thing? That's amazing looking.
Games Workshop design process:
>model is created
>model sent to team to create fluff and rules
>this team must now integrate whatever strange bullshit the models team thought up into fluff
>they must now also make rules for this creation to make it SELL!
Result:
>Nemesis babycarrier and huge gundamns battling whilst giant metallic prehistoric dragons burn marines to dust
Forgeworld design process:
>Read Black Library novels, which were written exclusively with the purpose of being fluffy (as that's what makes 40k novels sell)
>Use the vivid descriptions of the Legions to create fluffy and representative models for their units.
>the rules, the model, and everything is totally informed by fluff which seems to make it more balanced (yeah I know it's MEQ vs. MEQ but Mechanicum are pretty gud)
I know Black Library fluff is mostly shit, but at least it's written with the intention of being cool fluff rather than to sell models.
>>43931641
>>43931622
Unless you're a WAAC player most people make/start armies based on their fluff... units/models always have fluff that makes them sound like gods, this is nothing new at all...
>>43931622
>Recent trend
When newfag? Please point to when you think this first started happening. It's been a model company since day one.
What would be a good gift for a Nurgle player?
He's got a herald, a few units of plague bearers, a great unclean one, and a beast of nurgle.
Nurglings I know he has, but I don't know how many.
>>43931713
>The thing is a bad idea, just ask anyone who doesn't have it.
The idea isn't a bad one, the staggered codex updating just makes it inequitable.
>You're probably an overweight, self-serving, instant gratification addicted retard. Wholly incapable of recognizing an opinion other than your own.
because anon has a different opinion to you? top bait mate.
>>43931713
>Would you have the same opinion if you played Orks, SoB, CSM, or Blood Angels.
>Playing one army and nothing else.
Also Guard/Khorne/Ork player here, formations are a brilliant idea.
Go kill yourself you tear-eyed faggot
>>43931732
It's a Leviathan Crusader from dreamforge.
>>43929101
Um... Ordo Chronos?
>>43929931
Thats also illegal list. No I mean, not illegal - you dont get 3x plasma/arcs in 2 boxes of skitarii
>>43927604
I don't think it counts as a prediction when it includes every possibility
>>43931777
Depends how much you like you're friend.
Forgeworld Plague Toads are brilliant and make awesome proxies for beasts of nurgle.
