Age of Sigmar General
Varanguard edition
Any idea after Everchosen, before Christmas?
>>AoS resource
pastebin.com/AuUfzJ70
I thought lady atia pointed to the next campaign book, battle for allpoints, but we've only seen evidence of battletome everchosen. So maybe after the varanguard kit, that weird summoner mini, and the battletome, we may get the campaign book, which may happen before the new year. January is when we are supposed to get the duardin and fyreslayers
What books do I have to buy to get all if most of the scenarios? I heard people talk about how scenarios really balance the game out.
>>43923294
Age of Sigmar and Quest for Ghal Maraz probably have the most scenarios. The Dreadhold battletome may have the same number, but they're likely all tied to using the Dreadhold in some way.
Stormcast, Bloodbound, and Seraphon battletomes all come with three battleplans I think.
You can also buy the battleplans separately on the AoS app.
There is this battleplan too which GW apparently included with certain orders or something like that.
>>43922781
The necks kinda look like dicks.
>>43923606
GAZE UPON THE EVERCHOSEN AND HIS THREE DICKS
>>43923534
Ok so I can buy the age of sigmar and quest and since I play Stormcast I can buy the battle tome , thanks.
>>43923664
I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think the battleplans in the battletomes require one side to be using a certain army. Someone who has actually purchased one can say for certain.
All the battleplans are also scanned in one of the download links in OP's pastebin
So when will GW produce minis for AoS that doesn't look like rubbish?
>>43923854
When you realise that different people have different tastes.
>>43922781
I was wondering where the slaanesh head was, then I realised it was probably under the loincloth.
>>43923958
Nah, I'm pretty sure AoS fans just have shit taste.
>>43924004
This is a troll, guys. Ignore it and move on. Haters gonna hate.
>>43924026
>haters gonna hate
What is this, 2008?
>>43923981
Slaanesh is no more. His daemons still run around, but Slaanesh itself was destroyed.
Why? Because of marketability. You can't sell Slaanesh to children and expect to have the parents pay money.
Only the big three are left.
>>43923854
plastic khornedog and the marauders are alright
shame about the rest though
>>43924077
Show me where in the fluff it confirms she/he/it/zhe was destroyed. All I have ever read was that she is missing. Nothing more has been said about it.
>>43924077
He still lives on in my heart anon, and my dick.
>>43923534
>>43923549
>>43923566
Yeah I got this a few months ago with my aspect warriors. Fun times.
>>43924082
I guess.
>>43923854
The new chosen knights look pretty nice.
>>43924259
No they don't. The horses looks like shitty drawings I do when I'm bored.
>>43924259
worse than the regular knights, I'd say
>>43924282
I know exactly what they remind me of.
Riders are just the blood warrior dudes, too. Same armor.
>>43924310
Oh yeah, that's pretty spot on.
>>43923606
I'll be honest I get a bit turned on if I look too hard at that picture. Truly there is no hope for me.
>>43924460
>wanting the Khorne dick that ejaculates blood
>wanting the Tzeentch dick that will put plumes inside your butt
>wanting the Nurgle dick ever
>>43923981
Slaanesh was missing when the other gods decided they wanted Archaon to pledge allegiance to them alone. They each sent a champion who got beaten by Archaon and whose remains were eaten by Dorghar, resulting in the heads.
>>43924282
I don't even know if you could call them horses.
>>43923743
this this is why AOS is balanced its a new kind of game in a tournament you literally would be expected to play the battleplans of your openent or if your round in the torniment was at the dreadhold table the TO would leave a dreadhold rule book at that table and use thous battle plans and vice versa THAT is how you really comp age of sigmar it how it becomes a torniment game and its how its designed and ment to be balanced I cant believe you guys didn't figure this out when judging it at first literally we have given this game a horrible reputation by assuming you just play the same boring mission over and over mission objectives and battleplans are HOW this game balance and how taking some huge horde is not a good idea. this game is balanced with these books not some made up system literally when every one was making fun of AOS not selling its books and being crap they didn't realize the thing that made it uncrap was in thous books.. oh the assumptions or the irony oh internet.. it actually works and makes it balanced its just a new way of thinking about war gaming. hell if you keep using the battleplans you will pretty quickly realize that battleplans are a huge part of the AOS design and Balance and literally how its "take any thing you want" rules get balanced out guys you need to see the biger pitcture we have been ignoring these books for months larphing they didn't sell and now only now we realize the battleplans are top notch and make use of the skills and abilities in your army not just the model count or wounds etc etc that shit doesn't matter AOS IS TRULY A MISSION BASED WARGAME. TO's trying to organize how to play AOS competitively need to read these fucking books and actually play games and then set up say one mission for every table at the tournament maybe one or two table with dreadhold and have a borrowed dreadhold book left at that table. this is how age of sigmar is meant to be played missions are points/FOC in aos and yes$
>>43922781
Ne1 have the OP art without the text
>>43924686
>>43924672
Never said I wanted them personally. I've never had sex so whenever I fantasize I'm really not involved.
>>43924695
Thank you my good sir
>>43924683
I mean this is how AOS works.. lissen up TO's you need to buy books and yes GW wants to literally sell you missions to keep the game balanced but surprisingly they do infact work >>43923294
I think all a TO needs to do is not make a comp list ignore all that maybe a model count at most but don't limit the sideboard it should be any thing possible to carry. all the TO needs to do is create a system where you move from table to table at a tournament and every one of the 30 tables has a diferent battleplan you play best of 3 and you need your main armys battletomb first round is the tables battleplan and then second round is a battleplan from who ever won losts book you decide.
literally that's how you balance AOS in a nutshell and its fucking so simple and the fact the wargaming community missed it is quite sad and shows how we judge things too quickly. Imagine showing up on the Dreadhold table and having the book there and knowing your in for some fun. The way AOS balance works is that its based on Tools and not Power levels you need the right tools to do a variety of missions so the more missions possible in the torniment the more balanced a list you have to make.. LITERALLY AOS SOLVED.
its taken us 6months but we finally "figured" it out
>>43924683
What is your favorite battleplan so far? The one from GhalMaraz where one side defends a relic horn from being destroyed is my favorite so far.
>>43924714
oh and in regards to take what ever you want the point of your army codex in AOS is not that its the army you have the most models of its just the book you pick to be used in your second round in the best of 3. your army could have a combined force of order distruction chaos and undead but you get to decide what missions you pick and what formations etc would match it etc. so basically you have to pick a "main" .
this is literally the simplest comp in the world and I have no idea why GW hasn't spelled it out in clear English to us its obviously pretty clear what they have done. and its really really smart. because people will "main" new armys to get the compedative edge not because the new army is OP but because it has battleplans that would make your round2 or 3 more to your army comps advantage.
seriously its so simple whyyyyyyy didn't any one buy the god dam books at first.. now it all makes sense every one kept saying it will get balanced over time but it was always there in the battle plans waiting for us to discover it. we spoke too soon.
>>43924722
yer its like Team Fortress or some thing its great. lots of modern games are balanced around "the map" and so is AOS you know how LOS is a huge thing in 40k well GW used that knowledge and made the literal table set up part of the games balance replacing points and giving every one total freedom while also having a balanced practical system based on sort of a running narrative. if you cant see how this is not wargaming 2.0 then seriously you need to go get the books right now and read them and see what I mean NO ONE EVEN LOOKED AT THEM ITS HALERIOUSE
>>43924762
>>43924743
>>43924714
>>43924683
Anon, just shut up please, you're making us look stupid.
AoS is not balanced, it is not meant for a tournament as it is and the battleplans alone don't fix the hole that is the no limits to an army's numbers, composition and evocations.
You should have rules that would replace the gentlemen's agreement without impairing the freedom in composition, an even more difficult task than just having a point limit and point costs.
You really are short sighted if you believe what you wrote, but you could also be a troll for all I know.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/call-of-chaos/advent-new/aos-path-to-glory.html
>Gather your warbands and worship your chosen God of Chaos with glorious deeds on the battlefield! Battle other champions and rise in your patron's favour. Rally more followers to your banner and establish yourself as the greatest warlord of Chaos the Mortal Realms have ever seen! 'Warhammer Age of Sigmar: Path to Glory' allows you to pick a Chaos Champion from your Age of Sigmar collection, generate a warband to follow them, and lead them to glory against rival champions in games of Warhammer Age of Sigmar. Only the truest devotee of Chaos will rise to achieve the ultimate reward: immortality as a Daemon Prince!
>>43925426
A whole month of Chaos? Some people will have a field day with this
>>43925563
One week.
>>43925567
http://www.blacklibrary.com/aos/whaos-feat/aos-advent-sub.html
It's a whole month thing for both Aos and 40k, check out the release schedule, and this is just for Aos
Day 1: Path to Glory
Day 2: A brand new Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
Day 3: Path to Glory, Part 2
Day 4: A brand new Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
Day 5: Path to Glory, Part 3
Day 6: A brand new Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
Day 7: Path to Glory, Part 4
Day 8: A brand new Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
Day 9: Path to Glory, Part 5
Day 10: A brand new Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
Day 11: Path to Glory, Part 6
Day 12: A brand new Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
Day 13: Path to Glory, Part 7
Day 14: A brand new Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
Day 15: Path to Glory, Part 8
Day 16: A brand new Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
Day 17: Path to Glory, Part 9
Day 18: A brand new Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
Day 19: Path to Glory, Part 10
Day 20: A brand new Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
Day 21: Path to Glory, Part 11
Day 22: A brand new Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
Day 23: Path to Glory, Part 12
Day 24: A brand new Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
Bumping with a request I haven't even bothered to thinly veil for Seraphon Battletome scans.
>>43925623
My mistake.
I thought the advent stuff lasts one week. Hurry for more content. Hope it's good.
Well, I forgot my aos case on the tram.
FML.
>>43926835
>It is destroyed because someone thinks it is a bomb.
>>43925426
I just heard this and came here to ask you guys a question.
How similar is this to the original?
AoS is simply not the kind of game I am looking for, but I always wanted to play Path to Glory, so I am curious what is different.
>>43926835
Happened to me a couple of years ago, I feel your pain. I'm based in the UK and called the operating company of the train I was on and described my case to them, and they identified it and very graciously agreed to store it at the final station on the train's route for me to collect. Good luck!
>>43927077
Not in america, so probably not. Hopefully it'll turn up at the lost & found.
Dunno what I'd do after, it holds all of my complete HEs. Only some reavers and a phoenix followed me home.
>>43927288
Bought it this morning, very dumbed down, I love AoS but its simplicity doesn't work for skirmish/campaign games. I'd give it a miss and torrent the original Realm of Chaos books or the 6th ed Path to Glory rules instead.
>>43927379
Well, this happened saturday, and the L&F collection from the weekends come in on tuesdays. No luck yet.
>>43927424
So if you guys see these green/yellow HE for sale on the net, they're mine.
>>43927418
I heard it gives you men in the sizes of their boxes, so 12 warriors/10 wolves/etc instead of the 1 or 2 guys from each box that you split with your friends like it used to be, is that true?
Official event, somewhere in Chamon that untainted by Chaos... yet!
>>43927712
That woman! It's the friggin Ice Queen of Kislev! Fuck yeah, I want more Kislev minis. I only have one of each from the old line, except for Boris Ursa.
>>43927712
I remember when warhammer was in black & white, you could buy an army and get change from sixpence, and ice magic was part of the wind of azyr. "Wind of Izotz" indeed.
>>43925623
>Advent Calendar is demons
That's horrifyingly offensive.
>A month of Warriors of Chaos shitting around
When will they stop getting all the attention?
For fucks sake, Chaos month doesn't even involve Daemons, Chaos Dorfs, or Skaven. Just the bitch-tier Chaos races.
Yet they wonder why our children are failures.
>Archaons mount is now literally a failhorse with wings
>>43927712
Lake of ice is funny, making stuff slip and slide about. Shield of ice could be ridiculously powerful with some units. I look forward to whineseer jumping on ride the storm as more evidence that AoS is broken ("I pick the model up and put it in my pocket! The rule doesn't say it has to stay on the table, just be within 20! I win sudden death!").
>>43927712
Awesome, thanks. If I'm free that saturday I'll convert up a wizard and head to Notts.
>>43924077
Nah guy, I think they are going to reboot Slaanesh's line to a more PG-13 friendly style, more 'vicious, pain loving masocists' than sensualists. Slaanesh's stuff sells quite well ( I see more Slaanesh armies than I do Tzeentch, besides Thousand Sons) so I don't see them giving him the boot so fast.
Besides, I like dancing to reroll, and giving gifts of power!
>>43928010
Massive dollar increase on faction leader has to happen somehow.
Don't worry, the $150 Tyrion, Teclis, Alarielle, Malerion, Sigmar, Verminlord Thanquol, Gorkamorka (three kits in one), and some random monsters.
Here's concept art for the Vlad and Isabella model. Only £179. Comes with an Age of Sigmar Battletome.
>Gaze upon that fucking glorious beautiful Bird head
>Realize we could have gotten an amazing plastic Lord of change
>Instead get this clusterfuck 100 quid garbage knock-off WoW mount.
Can the path to glory stuff be applied to others alliances besides chaos? Because I am interested to see how they do a campaign system for aos, but i dont have a chaos warband. What i mean is im interested in reading this, but not interested enough in paying 80 fucking dollars for a digital supplement
>>43928846
>Can the path to glory stuff be applied to others alliances besides chaos?
Nope.
Only the bold warriors of chaos can walk the Path to Glory.
>>43928728
With a topknot like the guy who buys him!
>>43929341
Topknots are classic Chaos.
>>43929365
Also classic GW fanboy.
But not classic Archaon, just redshirts and spessmehn.
>>43929439
The original Archaon mini had a topknot. It like the new one also looked ugly.
>>43929439
>Also classic GW fanboy.
Where do you live exactly? I have never seen anyone in GW or otherwise with a topknot.
>But not classic Archaon
Classic Archaon did have a topknot.
>>43929468
Case in point.
>>43929439
40k is played a lot here, and not a single one has a topknot
magic players, however, have the entire gaming population of topknots and fedoras within their ranks
>>43929439
>But not classic Archaon
>>43929512
>40k is played a lot here
Abaddon.
>>43929512
He means topknots on the chaos models, ya dingus, not on the players!
>>43929567
>>43929576
Yes, topknots are fairly common in Chaos, fantasy and 40k both.
If Chaos is so great, why doesn't it have mutton chops and pompadours?
Checkmate, Chaosfags.
>>43929468
>>43929543
Ironically enough, even the creator of the original concept of archaon does not approve of this change
The horse was all
>>43930110
Source?
>>43930126
Toumas piriren facebook page
From the same page
>I also envisaged him to fall on his own sword once he was the last living thing on Warhammer World, as in the Finnish Epic Poem Kalevala.
>>43930258
>Archon's steed was very important to me in crafting the fiction. I really imagined something as impactful as Alexander's Bucephalus. This new version loses that battle-forged link between the rider and the steed.
>>43930308
>This new version loses that battle-forged link between the rider and the steed.
How?
>>43930308
>When I created Archaon, I had little idea how big role he would come to play. I simply wanted to create the ultimate, definitive Chaos Warrior, someone who could be the new Ghengis Khan of the Warhammer World that none could ever top, and I guess I succeeded. Though honestly I did not foresee the End Times storyline ever being completed. There is a lot of homage in Archaon to icons like Death Dealer created by Frank Frazetta, and obscure ones like the name of his sword that is a hidden reference to a comic called "Young Master" which I loved as a lad.
>Funny detail: I orignally called him "Archaos" but Andy pointed it out to me that there was a circus of that name in France. We thought it was safer to avoid even a potential lawsuit.
>I had scribbled some notes on the gods of Law I wanted to use at some point. But really, End Times are a business decision, not a creative decision.
>>43930503
>I orignally called him "Archaos"
>Archaos
>Ar Chaos
>>43930258
That would have been great. Archaon should have died and had his final rest.
>>43930543
>arch chaos
>>43930503
>With Chaos, the whole idea IS that there are godlike warriors in the army.
Will anti Chaos fags finally fuck off?
Straight from the horses' mouth, Chaos are supposed to be god like.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/call-of-chaos/advent-new/aos-path-to-glory.html
What's this like?
>Tuomas Pirinen, Brutal Deluxe Game Design
>In the WH cosmology that Rick wrote, it was made plain that the victory of Chaos is certain. But it can be delayed infinitely. So as a WH cosmology purist, this was the correct end result.
Based Tuomas.
>>43930653
I know, right. It would have been perfect with his fluff from the novels. The new Archaon motivations in AoS goes against his old character.
>>43930762
>The new Archaon motivations in AoS goes against his old character.
But not his true, original character.
>>43930782
What original character?
>>43930807
I think it was butthurt.
>>43930807
>>43930819
Archaon was a true believer in Chaos.
A pious worshiper of the dark powers.
>>43930669
Who are you talking with? Everyone was aware of chaos warriors and especially their champions being extremely powerful entities elevated to be closer to the gods themselves.
Maybe you're mistaking this concept with the idea of chaos having no opposition at all, which is arguably valid or we would have had no setting at all both now and then.
>>43930864
>which is arguably valid or we would have had no setting at all both now and then.
All the best times are when Chaos fights itself.
Nothing surpasses a campaign of Path to Glory.
I can't wait to get the new rules for 40k.
>>43930864
>chaos having no opposition at all
What about Order?
>>43930861
Oh, so when did they decide to make him a nihilist with butthurt?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQst2mFlJM
How do I make a balanced Ogre army? I just want to have a fun battle.
>>43930476
It's like the Mortarchs, their creatures are just giant creatures that don't matter except to give them height.
Malekith had history with his dragon, Archaon with his horse.
But the Pox Nurgle End Times things by contrast are just excuses for a visually impressive style without lore substance.
>>43930978
>Oh, so when did they decide to make him a nihilist with butthurt?
Archaon Everchosen. Which was released in 2014 I believe. Not a long time.
>>43931024
SDK comp and play against someone who knows the strengths of their army. Also, take Firebellies over Butchers, if you want to tone down your power level.
>>43931024
More normal bulls, less ironguts/maneaters.
>>43931059
Ah, Black Library totally fucking up a character concept as always.
>>43931043
>Malekith had history with his dragon, Archaon with his horse.
It's the same horse he's had since Hordes of Chaos. It's just been changed overtime. He has more history with it now.
At first he just stole it from some daemon lord's stables and rode around. He was just another piece of Archaon's Chaos collection.
Now there's a stronger "battle-forged" link because he's grown more powerful by consuming his and Archaon's enemies.
>>43931102
And it's turning into a horrible cross between He-man and MLP.
>>43931067
Noted. The Maw was just ridiculous for killing heroes.
>>43931085
I cant believe how absurd Ironguts are. I don't know who gave them a 4+ save but they need to be slapped.
>>43931102
It wasn't even a horse at the time Archaon stole it. While Archaon was struggling with it while both them were falling from tower, it was constantly changing shapes.
When Archaon tamed it, it took the form of Archaon's faithful dead horse. The horse he rode when he was a Warrior Priest.
Essentially, it's just a feral daemon.
>>43930503
>>I had scribbled some notes on the gods of Law I wanted to use at some point. But really, End Times are a business decision, not a creative decision.
I'm happy the Gods of Law have legitimacy, and someone with credentials confirmed what I've been saying for years.
>>43931286
>I'm happy the Gods of Law have legitimacy
How so?
They never really made it out of WHFRP 1e.
>>43930681
Since its expensive as fuck and only applicable to people with communities with everyone having WoC armies, nobody has gotten it yet.
>>43930729
So Chaos victory is certain, but can also be delayed forever?
That's nothing new. We've all been saying that for years.
>>43931315
>its expensive as fuck
It's £2.49.
>>43930897
Apparently not a factor.
>>43931102
>>43931205
The shape matters a great deal. It's an entirely different look and character now.
>>43931332
>That's nothing new. We've all been saying that for years.
Only after I've shown you all the fluff and beaten it into your thick skulls and then after you're all done throwing your temper tantrums about Chaos sues. Never ending temper tantrums, because still no one really excepts it.
>>43931310
It means they were planned to be big, and cut content matters more than a throwaway retcon.
>>43931369
>It's an entirely different look and character now.
Which does not mean the "battle-forged link" has been lost.
>>43931351
The whole series is like $80.
>>43931351
For one part. It's a 12 part document. You have to buy each part separately, at $5 each. Nobody is willing to pay $60 for a digital supplement that's only good for one faction in the entire fucking range
Seriously, the only GOOD thing out of this entire advent calendar is the 24 days of Duncan
>>43931406
Kinda does.
They changed the character and will crutch on old canon so no development has to occur.
>>43931419
>The whole series is like $80.
That's 12 short stories as well.
>>43931427
>For one part.
The main rules.
>>43931102
Well, it doesn't look like a fucking horse anymore, does it?
>>43931459
>Kinda does.
How?
>They changed the character
Of Dorghar? He was never exactly drowning in in character. He is and remains Archaon's Everchosen Seat.
>will crutch on old canon so no development has to occur.
Development is occurring, the new form of Dorghar proves that.
>>43931480
>Well, it doesn't look like a fucking horse anymore, does it?
Why is that important to a battle-forged link?
>>43931559
>Development is occurring, the new form of Dorghar proves that.
You must be a comic book writer.
New looks are not development. Otherwise the future of Princess of Mars, Red Sonja, and Vampirella here would be bright.
>>43931814
>New looks are not development.
It's an advancement in power and status. Story too.
Chaos Champion Name Generator!
An essential tool to any Path to Glory campaign.
>>43931876
>Signar the Blessed.
>>43931876
seems shit to me, senpai
>>43931970
Daemons =/= Chaos Champions
>>43931857
It's a new look. That's not a plot or emotional development, and there isn't even a story tied to the transition.
He's no longer a character, he's just Archaon's booster seat to be the tallest model on his side of the board.
>>43931384
Yeah, no.
If anything people argued with you because you constantly threw tantrums whenever the getting "infinitely delayed" part was brought up.
You're one really dense idiot, aren't you?
Rolled 6, 2, 2, 2, 5, 3 = 20 (6d6)
>>43931876
Let's try this again
Why doesn't anyone but Chaos get shit like this?
>>43930543
>>43930666
I'm strangely okay with this.
>>43932064
>It's a new look.
That comes with story development.
>there isn't even a story tied to the transition.
Yes there is. Have you just not been paying attention?
>He's no longer a character
He's not much of a character, but then he never was, he was a daemon horse.
>>43932032
Chaos champions are granted daemonic titles. This was also reused for the actual Path to Glory name generator back in... 2000?
shows what you know, false worshipper
>>43932084
>If anything people argued with you because you constantly threw tantrums whenever the getting "infinitely delayed" part was brought up.
Nope. I always maintained that delay was possible, but that victory was not.
>>43931876
Wake me when they get one of these for orcs
>>43932097
Like Path to Glory?
It doesn't make any sense for anyone else.
It's core to the Chaos narrative to fight for power, immortality and the favor of the gods.
Others just live out their lives.
>>43932105
>That comes with story development.
Having a new look is not story development unless there's a story to go with it.
>He's not much of a character, but then he never was, he was a daemon horse.
According to the creator of Archaon, that's fucking wrong.
>>43932161
'Ere We Go! had an ork name generator. I'm not sure if GW ever did one for fantasy orcs, but it's going to be about the same.
>but I don't have 'ere we go
fucking download it right now
>>43932169
>Like Path to Glory?
>It doesn't make any sense for anyone else.
>It's core to the Chaos narrative to fight for power, immortality and the favor of the gods.
>Others just live out their lives.
No, they fight for loot and land.
That's the motivation for every other faction but Lizardmen.
Chaos only matters in stories it sticks its head in. Its not the only conflict possible.
>>43931559
Because there is no more iconic battle mount than a horse.
>>43932191
>Having a new look is not story development unless there's a story to go with it.
There is story to go with it.
>According to the creator of Archaon, that's fucking wrong.
What? The creator of Archaon never gave Dorghar a character. Hell Archaon's horse when he was first created wasn't even Dorghar it was W'soraych.
>>43932285
Yeah, that single paragraph describing what he looks like really makes you excited for the $120 price increase blob of overdesign.
>>43931876
>blubber blade
>>43932240
>No, they fight for loot and land.
And you can run a campaign about that if you like. But Path to Glory is about the ascendance of Champions first and foremost.
>Chaos only matters in stories it sticks its head in. Its not the only conflict possible.
Never said it was, just that Path to Glory doesn't work with other factions because they don't walk the Path to Glory.
>>43927712
>Create a plane of existence tied to that replaces each wind of Magic
>Create a new wind of Magic
How long until we get this 'wind' turned into a new Ice Realm?
>>43932321
>Yeah, that single paragraph describing what he looks like
There's story for why he looks like that, not just what he looks like.
I've been playing them Warhammer Fantasy games that came out recently, and it kind hurt to find out that GW decided to erase all of that beautiful lore they had in place for Age of Sigmar. Is there any hope for the old stuff to comeback as a spinoff?
>>43932349
It's not a new wind magic. It's just the winds of something.
>>43931043
>Age of Sigmar is just excuses for a visually impressive style without lore substance.
I don't know if I should be sad or amused that Chaos Warriors are so much smaller than the Sigmar dudes.
Kinda funny that such small guys are more than a match for them.
>>43932358
>Is there any hope for the old stuff to comeback as a spinoff?
Yup. GW is relaunching specialist games, so expect stuff like Mordheim, Man O' War, Warmaster and who knows, maybe even a little WHFB system.
>>43932412
That's good to hear.
>>43932376
It's just a transitional thing. The new Khorne Warrior guys are as big as the Stormcast.
Same with Blight Kings.
>>43932355
Yeah, and it's shit.
>>43932441
Not sure if I want bigger ones to be honest, wont that be a disadvantage?
>>43932331
I asked "Why don't we get anything like this?", not "Why is Path of Glory Chaos-only?"
The only events we get are Chaos doing something. There's no "Empire civil war", there won't be a "Stormcast Eternals fight to determine who's the best Stormchapter".
Just ChaosMarshaChaos.
>>43932524
But you admit that there was development, even if you don't like which was never in question?
>>43932355
That wasn't a story, it was an ad. A pretty bad one too.
>>43931559
>>43930476
>Why is that important to a battle-forged link?
A "simple" steed was chosen to give obvious guidelines to read the character and to evoke peculiar themes.
The horse was able to balance the importance of the character on top of it without overshadowing it, it was a clear link to commonly known imagery of lords, generals and conquerors, it was not a weapon fighting for the character, it merely was his legs; the horse and the guy riding it made a link to the more realistic part of the world, but also portrayed how doomed it was for the sheer simplicity of it, it was the world twisting and turning back to be its destroyer, not another of those multiversal and incomprehensible monsters coming to claim it.
It was a big and clean concept in a small and clean frame, able to feel plainly powerful and important in spite of its size, both rider and mount.
The new archaon broke that link when the marketing decided that bigger=betterer and that additions can compensate concept, falling into the horror vacui caused by lack of inspiration.
That's what Toumas is saying and what everyone can get at a mere glimpse.
Is it a good mini? Perhaps so, it's technically an awesomely produced piece, with a strong presence and connections to AoS.
Is it archaon? Not really, it's something else, to use his words.
Learn to think.
>>43932564
You're arguing with two people m8.
>>43932614
It also looks like something Mierce Miniatures would make, except without a huge cock and balls.
>>43932545
>I asked "Why don't we get anything like this?", not "Why is Path of Glory Chaos-only?"
All Path to Glory really is a bunch of rules for your Championd gaining the favour of the Dark Gods.
No one else does this.
>The only events we get are Chaos doing something.
Path to Glory isn't an even per se. It is just a way to show Chaos life.
>There's no "Empire civil war"
Time of Three Emperors?
>there won't be a "Stormcast Eternals fight to determine who's the best Stormchapter".
They're good guys. Why would they fight each other over that?##
>>43932564
>Err, guys. Archaons horse ate some daemons and now he is a huge freakshow that looks like a reject from an old Godzilla movie.
That's actually like the plot to a bad monster movie.
>>43932376
The new knights and pretty much everything that came with AoS, and a pair of releases from the end times, already are scaled up.
AoS seems 30mm epic scale so far.
>>43932614
You're saying a lot with addressing the point of a "battle-forged link."
Fact is Archaon's mount has grown progressively grander since he was introduced.
First a simple chaos horse.
Then a massive daemon steed.
Now a three headed flying abomination.
The mount grows as Archaon's prominence within the forces of Chaos rise.
>>43932624
Okay, well thank you for your input in our conversation.
>>43932676
Okay, you don't like it, but it is story advancement.
>>43932660
>All Path to Glory really is a bunch of rules for your Championd gaining the favour of the Dark Gods.
>No one else does this.
Phoenix Guard, Witches, Sigmarites, the Vampric Undead grow in power and mutate as they kill and survive...
>Time of Three Emperors?
Throwaway lore, not a campaign.
>They're good guys. Why would they fight each other over that?
Because lore should reflect the fact that Stormcasts can fight each other via logical reasoning, but that's a different conversation.
Point is there's plenty of event potential, but only Chaos ever gets explored.
Fuck, 90% of the Elf plots in Fantasy was the civil war. No events ever occurred.
Tomb Kings and Vampires? Nope.
Skaven and Empire? Nada.
Just Chaos, all the time. Every time.
>>43932721
Because all the proxy makers do 28mm.
Looking forward to your Ogre scale Orruks?
>>43932676
The entire Age of Sigmar is like a bad movie.
>>43932768
>Okay, well thank you for your input in our conversation.
Third guy; nigger go back to reddit if you want one on one conversations, this is literally an anonymous chinese poultry breeding and hatcheries forum.
>>43932744
>Fact is Archaon's mount has grown progressively grander since he was introduced.
And yet, until it became a monstrous three headed flying monster that overshadows its rider, it stuck to the original conceptual themes and decisions.
Can't you really see the point?
>>43932781
>Phoenix Guard, Witches, Sigmarites, the Vampric Undead grow in power and mutate as they kill and survive...
No they don't.
>Throwaway lore, not a campaign.
Chaos never had a campaign all to itself either. All campaigns were about all the factions clashing in some manner.
>Because lore should reflect the fact that Stormcasts can fight each other via logical reasoning
Stormcast don't need to fight each other.
>Point is there's plenty of event potential, but only Chaos ever gets explored.
How so? Where was all this extra Chaos exploring?
>>43932864
>Stormcast don't need to fight each other.
They actually do, though. It's a part of that ugly banner bearer's fluff.
For someone who spends so much time discussing age of sigmar, you sure don't know a whole lot about it.
>>43932819
>nigger go back to reddit if you want one on one conversations
I never said I wanted a one on one conversation. But you just contributed nothing for no reason, there was no real argument or anything.
>>43932853
>Can't you really see the point?
I can why you like the old model better.
I can also see that it has nothing to do with a "battle-forged link."
Rolled 4, 6, 2, 5, 1, 2 = 20 (6d6)
>>43931876
Fuck it, why not. Looking at tzeentch.
>>43931876
> Gulbaal the Changed.
Well, I have created worse names.
>>43931876
>no Undivided
>>43932959
>Helbaal Warpkin
okay.jpg
>>43932803
Yes, actually, monstrous races look okay when you have both small scale and bigger guys.
The same doesn't really work with humans too for example, which is a main concern for anyone wanting to blend new and old minis.
>>43932913
>They actually do, though. It's a part of that ugly banner bearer's fluff.
Yes, it's part of a trial to see who gets to hold the standard. There;s also a coliseum where they train but no one can die in it where they spar.
Sorry if I misunderstood fighting to mean actual fighting rather than sport.
If you want an anime tournament arc where all the Stormhosts get together to fight and prove themselves to be Shaman King then just do it.
>>43932955
Then there must be a different conception of the meaning of those words to comment the change of mount from the two of us.
>>43932768
>Okay, you don't like it, but it is story advancement.
Story advancement isn't inherently a good thing.
>>43933042
Okay. To me a "battle-forged link" would be the bond that develops between two people or a person and an animal as they fight together.
Dorghar and Archaon getting more powerful as they fight together would in my mind only increase the strength of that bond and not diminish it in anyway.
Why do you think?
>>43933097
I never said it was.
This is a conversation that sprung from comments like
>>43932191
>Having a new look is not story development unless there's a story to go with it.
There clearly is story development regardless of if we feel it is good or bad.
>>43932978
Undivided is gone.
>>43933191
I would say that it's a sad state of affairs, but the entire AoS fluff and direction is a sad state of affairs.
>>43932864
>No they don't.
Phoenix Guard were directly nlessed by Asuryan to have their power.
Witches were directly blessed by Slaanesh or Khaine depending on edition.
If you knew anything about Warhammer lore you'd know the Vampires sure as fuck grow stronger.
>Chaos never had a campaign all to itself either. All campaigns were about all the factions clashing in some manner.
Every single Path of Glory. Nobody else gets those.
You may get Sigmar's Blood, but that's a story about other characters with a foregone conclusion. Only Chaos gets open-ended "your dudes" lore.
>Stormcast don't need to fight each other.
Exactly. That's bad.
In a wargame where you can end up with more than one player with the same faction, there should actually be reasonable explanation for them fighting other than LOLCHAOS or LOLMISCOMMUNICATION without being full-retard. That's a flaw of the greater setting though, hence the "that's another conversation" line.
>>43933033
>you want an anime tournament arc where all the Stormhosts get together to fight and prove themselves to be Shaman King then just do it.
We want something GW puts out, since Chaos gets it.
But only Chaos has GW support. Chaos and Stormcast Marines.
>>43933191
You can still take daemon princes that aren't dedicated to any god, they just aren't labelled as "undivided" any more.
>>43933363
They're just Chaos devotees of Necoho.
>>43933389
Who?I've been around /tg/ for long enough that I don't just idly google things anymore. Fucking /d/, man.
Rolled 14 (1d66)
>>43931876
Hit me with your best shoot, Chaos Gods.
>>43933452
http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necoho
Rolled 10, 23, 47, 39, 57, 11 = 187 (6d66)
>>43933501
I made a mistake.
>>43933535
>Rolled 10, 23, 47, 39, 57, 11 = 187 (6d66)
>10
Close enough to 11 so Ska.
>23
Skakia? Am I doing this right or not?
>>43933452
Chaos God of Atheism. Appears as just a sarcastic and grinning fat but otherwise normal human. Randomly blesses whoever the fuck he feels like.
Along with Zuvassin, replaced Malal since the two together are him.
They go into it well here:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Malal
>>43931876
Lolz.
>>43931970
> Fondlesuck Lewdspurt
>>43933342
>We want something GW puts out, since Chaos gets it.
>But only Chaos has GW support. Chaos and Stormcast Marines.
Wait your turn. Age of Sigmar is not that old.
YEARS went by before Fantasy armies got updates.
>>43933626
wholesome names for all the family
Rolled 4, 7 = 11 (2d10)
>>43931970
These things too addictive for me. Let me roll up a Daemon name.
>>43933134
>Why do you think?
Because those words were used to comment on the aesthetic of the model, so I'm addressing the change in look and visual themes. Not the fluff behind it or the literal sense of the words used, just their relative use: There's a different interaction between a knight and his horse than the one between the rider and his 3 headed monster.
Even if dorghar is the same in fluff, in practice it is different in all but name, model wise that is, where you can see the distinct interaction and balance between rider and mount.
Differences exemplar of the themes behind it which I addressed previously. That was the "battle-forged link" I was talking about.
>>43933682
Swordmark? That's not too bad actually. Khorne daemon?
>>43933651
Past tense too. Chaos is the only faction that got this kind of update.
Which is terrible since Vampire Bloodline wars would be perfect for it.
>>43931876
>no irreverent or suggestive names
It's shit
>>43933727
>Which is terrible since Vampire Bloodline wars would be perfect for it.
How?
That would just be a campaign of Fantasy with Vampire armies.
Vampires don't fight for the patronage of Gods which bless then with power.
>>43933685
>That was the "battle-forged link" I was talking about.
I don't see how that has anything to do with a "battle-forged link" to be honest. A man and his long time fighting companion will have such a link regardless of the appearance of said companion.
A "Battle-forged link" has little to do with simple aesthetics unless you can apply an apporpriate amount of grizzlement which not iteration of Archaon has ever had.
>>43933682
just 4 u bby
my pdf of 'ere we go is fucky, and the internet's image quality isn't really any better
>>43933952
>Nobnob Nobnob
>>43933994
it's so you really know who's boss, git
>>43933770
Vampires grow stronger by surviving, killing.
They can also feed on each other.
More importantly, they can fuck up their minds and bodies by growing too strong too quick. They all hate each other and are out to get each other, and every other being is a means to their end.
Sound familiar?
How is the same thing with Chaos be more interesting? Because of the Chaos Gods? Are they such fascinating case studies all stories involving them must be told, fuck all other groups?
>>43934021
>Vampires grow stronger by surviving, killing.
They grow stronger by getting older.
>They can also feed on each other.
That's just like having sex to them. If you want a vampire sex game then go to WoD.
>More importantly, they can fuck up their minds and bodies by growing too strong too quick.
Not really. They're mind get fucked either by them not having enough and succumbing to their inner beast (varghulf) or by being denied blood for a long time (vargheist).
>How is the same thing with Chaos be more interesting?
Because it's not the same.
>Because of the Chaos Gods?
The gods and their fickle favour is what the Chaos faction revolves around.
>Are they such fascinating case studies all stories involving them must be told, fuck all other groups?
Other groups just don't have the same narrative as path to glory. Other factions just fight. You can handle that with a basic campaign. But Path to Glory allows Chaos to grow and change as it should.
>>43934021
Given abhorash cured his thirst and became mega strong by feeding on a dragon, wonder what happens if a vamp manages to feed on one of the celestial drakes like dracothion.
>>43934131
So your argument is the only group you feel is interesting enough to have a solo campaign is Chaos, because its Chaos.
GW should like so totally hire you, omigawd.
Also, read the Warhammer Vampire books. They're much more complex than you think.
>>43934159
You get a celestial star vampire.
So basically Twilight.
>>43933313
>Phoenix Guard were directly nlessed by Asuryan to have their power.
They don't get more power, or fight for it.
>Witches were directly blessed by Slaanesh or Khaine depending on edition.
Nope. They were the Brides of Khaine, but they did not receive divine blessings and power.
>If you knew anything about Warhammer lore you'd know the Vampires sure as fuck grow stronger.
With age. What a thrilling campaign that would be.
>Every single Path of Glory. Nobody else gets those.
Path to Glory is not a campaign, it's rules to run campaigns for Chaos warbands vying for power. No one else really needs those extra rules.
>Exactly. That's bad.
Not really. With Stormcast they're going for paragons of good. They probably shouldn't be fighting each other. Perhaps they can over time, but for now they are very on mission.
>>43934242
Wrong, Twilight Vampires weren't tied to anything. They just sparkled for no reason other than not having to limit the story to night scenes, and really bad explanation of why.
You actually get this.
>>43934241
>So your argument is the only group you feel is interesting enough to have a solo campaign is Chaos, because its Chaos.
Not interesting no. But other races don't get blessed like Chaos do, and so having those extra rules would not fit them.
Everyone else can just fit into a normal campaign.
>Also, read the Warhammer Vampire books. They're much more complex than you think.
I have, and they're not.
>>43934253
Chaos doesn't need extra rules either, yet here we are.
The Mary Sues get even more attention. Everyone else just isn't interesting enough, and if you play them you picked the wrong faction.
>>43934295
>Everyone else can just fit into a normal campaign.
So can Chaos, why do they get rules we don't?
The rest of us deserve extra rules they don't.
>>43934320
>Chaos doesn't need extra rules either
True, they're not needed, but they are fitting.
Other factions lack this element.
>The Mary Sues get even more attention. Everyone else just isn't interesting enough, and if you play them you picked the wrong faction
What would it take for you to leave forever?
Same to you >>43934338
>>43934461
>Mad someone doesn't like their favowite karaktr
Ah, this is what Age of Sigmar brought to the hobby.
Capefags.
Can't wait for the Mannfred of Murder threads, Grimgorfalls and Sigvald Universe Generals, and Balthazar posting.
>>43934290
No, that's what you like to happen. What will happens with AoS is that you get a dragon vampire hybrid instead.
>>43934534
>>Mad someone doesn't like their favowite karaktr
What character is pertinent to this situation?
We're talking about factions.
>>43934614
Chaos.
It doesn't really have enough personality and motivation to be more than one character copied into different bodies.
>>43934659
>Chaos.
Is a faction, not a character.
>>43934702
Chaos is factions within factions.
>>43934843
All with the same motivation and personality.
>>43934873
Not really. Unless you refer to egomaniacle tendencies and some nihilist rubbish about Chaos always winning.
>>43934987
Yeah they make different speeches (not really but they claim different reasons), but in the end they all do the same thing for the same reasons.
Chaos is one character who comes in five colors, like clones of Tiamat.
>>43935121
Chaos is actually a lot more interesting in 40k.
>>43935264
>Chaos is actually a lot more interesting in 40k.
The Gods just want to destroy the galaxy like they did to the Old World in WHFB.
>>43935286
In 40k it's a lot more about the internal struggle of mankind and the different mortal factions are much more richer in fluff.
Hell, even Abaddon is better in every way as a character than Archaon.
>>43935355
Yeah, but by contrast the mortal factions are much less interesting.
>>43935355
>Hell, even Abaddon is better in every way as a character than Archaon.
I can agree with you on that. Hopefully there will be a minimum of shoehorning Belly'Rub in Abaddon's storyline than there already is.
>>43935402
How are the Chaos Gods and daemons far more interesting than the mortals of the galaxy?
Rolled 4, 17 = 21 (2d20)
>>43933952
Gork and Mork, give this Bloodaxe a boy that can krump a git or two.
>>43935473
>Daff Kop
>>43935402
Nah, the daemons is probably the most boring aspect about Chaos. They don't die and just fuck around all the time. They would probably be less boring in 40k if GW didn't insist on having shared characters and units.
>>43935609
Anon, Chaos is random. You probably have to roll on the secret table to decide who gets new things, which character becomes awesome, retconned, and which GW employee gets fired.
Do any GW stores still support Warhammer Fantasy enough to run tournaments? Mine still has a lot of fantasy stuff on display I never see anyone playing it anymore.
>>43935438
40k mortals rely on one of two plots.
"Damn, we're fucked"
"Holy shit we're retards"
Characters are larger than life, but only the smallest shred of them have personalities outside war and worship. They don't read like relatable beings so much as historical figures shrouded in myth.
>>43935649
>You probably have to roll on the secret table to decide who gets new things,
That's not a dice roll, its a coin flip.
>>43935660
Eh...most Warhammer models are oine exclusives now. They are also slowly being repacked with only round bases.
So no.
Do the Paths to Glory come in a file format that is easily posted here? They're not those iBook only files, right?
>>43935765
Fug, I liked the idea of the much larger armies and smegmar doesn't seem to offer much of that. Ah well, thanks for clearing that up.
>>43935703
It is a wargame, and it probably has to do with the writing and not the characters.
>>43935735
That's not as fun.
>>43935818
You can do big armies in Sigmar, but there's not much difference.
Kings of War or Kensei are the way to go though for rank and file large wargames now though. Games Workshop only makes skirmish wargames now.
