>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.blacklibrary.com/faqs-and-errata.html
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
Vintage OP edition
What's the best Air Support for a tank-heavy Astra Militarum list? I was thinking about a Vulture with the twin-linked Punisher cannon and i fear it would be redundant with my Paskisher
>>43912743
>mfw my group won't let me use my Riptide despite the fact I paid over $100 for it
>>43912778
Are they poor?
>>43912778
>my riptide
As long as its only one, and above a certain points threshold, your group is overreacting
Did we ever get a scan of Imperial Armor 11 second edition?
>>43912778
One measly riptide? Well, if that's any indication to your group's average skill level it doesn't sound like you need them.
How do i make an army look THIS GOOD
(what technique did he use?)
>>43912743
I'm not angry about how Montka ended. What I am angry about is the AdMech setting everything on fire. Guys, we needed those guardsmen to stay alive so we can send them to places where they're needed so they can die there. And how much equipment was lost because of that stunt?
>>43912899
Airbrush. Some snobs around here look down on airbrushing though.
>>43912770
Vendetta
>>43912963
Bah, I don't have good ventilation at my house so airbrushing would be tricky.
>>43912990
Can do it in an open garage if you have one attached to your house.
>>43912922
>Being mad that the IG died en masse
>Being mad that the Ad mech are dicks
So you're mad that the Imperium is the Imperium?
>>43913026
The furnace is in there so it would be a fire hazard
>>43913032
No. I'm mad at the AdMech. They could have used the firewall and so much time and effort could have been saved.
>>43912922
Admech setting everything on fire denied the Tau the entirety of the Third Sphere. It was a strategically brilliant move.
>>43912922
AdMech turned Imperium into a shithole 10k years ago.
>>43912922
>And how much equipment was lost because of that stunt
The equipment was given top priority during the evacuation, so probably not that much. Because there's no difference between nigh-infinite reserves of manpower and nigh-infinite reserves of trained manpower , right?
>enemy tau makes a gunline near the edge of the board with that new aegis line thing so I can't deepstrike behind them without mishap or in front without getting rapid fired to deathas daemons
>shoot his squad of 20 fire warriors with a baleful torrent from my soul grinder
>kill a bunch
>takes a moral check, fails
>Falls back 9" off the board
>do the exact same thing next turn, Routing some pathfinders
>force him to go on the offense
>manage to deepstrike my core force and kill his riptide in the next turn with 60 attacks from my daemonnettes because he focused on the soul grinder (I got like 7 rends)
> fifth turn, I lost a squad of daemonettes, soul grinder and fiends, he only got 2 crisis suits and a few squads small of fire warriors with an ethereal and a devilfish , I'm in the lead by a few victory points but have a lot more wounds on the table
>ethereal challenges my Herald with etherblade
>alright I got this
>hit with 2 attacks
>snake eyes on wound roll
>he hits with all his attacks and wounds with all but one, fail my saves and die
>ethereal proceeds to eat 30ish attacks after my Herald dies next turn and explode into ribbons
I'm fucking loving daemons so God damn much, I haven't had so much fun in such a long time
Post fun stories
>>43913129
Setting everything on fire and sending no troops would have been better. Shadowsun expects fight? Wrong! Space burns, she burns, we roast marshmallows in space.
>>43913134
That was Hous who did that.
>>43913143
We could throw their bodies at the threats that are on a galatic scale. Abaddon, Thraka, or Nids.
To >>43911403 asking about a necron trade for my orks I am open to most offers.
If yours is reasonable I will hear it.
>>43913129
"Entirety of third sphere", say morons who don't know what a sphere is.
Recently discovered Mogroks boss boyz formation form the sanctus reach books. 3 big meks, 1 warboss, and a wierdboy.
ally in a CAD with a pain boy and you can have all the special toys you need.
and getting to outflank a truck full of burnas is so good
>>43913282
The entire point of the third sphere expansion was to get beyond the Damocles Gulf. Everything third sphere relied on getting through the gulf. No gulf? No third sphere.
>>43913447
Tau expand in all directions.
THIRTEENTH BLACK CRUSADE ARMY CAMPAIGN BADGE - WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT LOOK LIKE?
>>43913211
>My 30 Flesh Hounds + HoK vs a squad of Harliquens
>Lose the Grimoire that turn because of 2 1's both times
>Instability test with Herald and 5 Flesh Hounds left
>Mfw Double 1s, got the Grimoire off that turn, and routed the troupe
>>43913537
*20, whoops
>>43913236
>We could throw their bodies at threats that are on the galactic scale
That's the plan as I understand it. But decimating (or worse) experienced formations in hopes of pulling the tanks out so they can be given to fresh recruits isn't a winning strategy against Orks or Tyranids, where every member of the stupidly numerous species is a capable warrior. Maybe, maybe enough bodies will choke the Eye of Terror, but Ghazghkull and the Hive Mind sure aren't getting beat by attrition. And the Inperium's contigency plans are invariably turning its hope of a qualitative edge to ash. Literally in this case.
>>43913509
When are we getting a new ork warboss model?
The ones at the store are embarrassing and the one from black reach is static and has no life to it.
>>43913506
Every single piece of fluff around the Third Sphere is about the Damocles Gulf. By all means, I'd love to be proven wrong, but when it comes to the third sphere? Nothing talks about the other directions.
The reason for this is simple, Tau expand in spheres but they have to start somewhere. They don't expand in all directions at the same time, but rather determine a radius, start somewhere and slowly expand around that radius.
Do Imperial Knights loathe xenos species as much as space marines or Imperial fanatics, or are they more willing to put up with them?
>>43913613
If there's some dank meme i'm not getting here, i most profusely fucking apologize. If you don't have any help for me, get off this forum with your passive-agressive nonsense, woman.
>>43913596
I think the thing about the Eye is a thing said in the Imperium. "Give me enough men and I will choke the Eye of Terror with their bodies" or something. I'm sure that's an actual quote.
> Chaos Boon table no longer has an option for no reward. Reroll if the boon is not applicable to the unit (+1 BS or str to a range weapon on something with no ranged attacks, FnP for units that already have it, etc,)
> Marks grant fearless in addition to their normal benefits
>MoK Grants +1A, no rage/counter attack
>MoT characters harness warp charges on 3+, and become ML 1 psykers rolling on Tzeentch and Malefic Daemonology if they do not already have the psyker rule. If they already had the psyker rule, gain access to divination.
>MoS grants assault grenades
>MoN grants defensive grenades
>Icon of Despair grants shrouded
>Icon of Flame grants AP3 to ranged attacks
>Chaos Psykers count as daemons for the purpose of perils on malefic daemonology, but are only allowed to summon daemons of the some god unless they are unmarked.
>All non-character infantry units except cultists reduced by 3 ppm
>Daemonic Possession grants -1 BS/WS, immunity to shaken/stunned on 2+ and assault vehicle
>Dark Apostle now an upgrade for unmarked HQs rather than a seperate unit, grants zealot bubble that Crimson Slaughter has as a relic.
>Units may purchase Daemonic Insertion at 40-50 points/unit. Gain deep strike, may assault the turn they arrive. Warp Talons have this by default, and blind within 6 when they use it. Automatically must make dangerous terrain tests. May not deepstrike into impassible terrain, like drop pods. If they scatter onto a unit, they count as having charged it (including friendly units).
Are CSM now OP, still underpowered, or fixed?
>>43913631
What? slow to release new models?
Maybe if they were not allI2
>>43913730
Daemonic possession should give daemon USR
>>43913730
Some of what you said there is definitely interesting.
>>43912743
Where were you when Tau was kill?
>>43913729
It is. That's where I got it from.
no space-elf-pirate scans .... I'm confused
>>43913537
Your gaffe ruined the story. Please delete this post and try again.
>>43913735
> I2
*KRUMP*
Youz bes stop talkin dat "umie talk you ignorant Gretchin lovin git.
>>43913806
They were up ages ago. Archive people!!!
>>43913777
Thanks for that.
>>43912743
What is the absolute worst HQ in the game?
Named or not it doesn't matter.
>>43913537
What is your opinion on harlequin ms having fought them?
Also chaos daemons are awesome, good taste mah nigga.
>>43913935
So I was thinking of starting a Black Legion force sometime, but I heard that the codex and rules were complete shit. I still love the models though, so should I go for it?
>>43913978
>Still can't issue orders
>15pts for a power weapon on a S3 I3 model
>Access to worst relics of any codex
>Chance for your opponent to choose who gets BLAM'd when you fail moral
Yeah, very easily the worst.
I'm tempted to get whats necessary for a lions blade detachment, but I really just want to drop pod them all in.
Other bit I'm considering is leaving my chapter tactics in the air until my store lets me play star phantoms.
I converted a Jump Commisar.
I don't even play guard, I just had a spare Raptor jump pack and new I had to make a Jump Commisar.
>>43914072
Pics?
>>43914095
Sure. It's not exactly an elaborate conversion tho.
So what happens when a person draws an eight pointed star but they're not a Chaos follower? They don't know about Chaos and just felt like drawing an eight pointed star. Is it Chaos time or what?
>>43914186
I know in the siege of Vraks a lot of the renegade forces carved the symbol onto tanks and put it on their clothes without really knowing what it meant, thinking it was a sign of the rebellion or something.
>>43913978
Seconded
>>43912743
Hey guys I know this isn't really the place to ask but you seem to be a cool bunch here and there are lots of you so...
What's a good iPhone game? Bonus points if it's 40k related, but really I will play anything.
>>43914280
Never played any of the 40k mobile games, the horus heresy one looks kinda cool thougj
>>43914280
>good
>iPhone game
Pick one
>>/v/
>>43914280
Spacewolf
Freeblade
>>43913509
Correctional bump, what were the Black Templars army campaign badge during the 13th?
>>43914280
Hearthstone, but be prepared to sink a bit of cash into it. Other than that, get an a droid (like you should have) and install console emulators on it.
>>43914227
But does it mean they're now corrupted? Khorne has skulls for some of his symbols, Slaanesh probably has a snake for its symbols, and flies and birds/fish for Nurgle and Tzeentch respectively. It's not like looking at any of those things will drive you crazy because the Chaos Gods use them as symbols.
>>43913272
I'm not sure what numbers you're looking for but I have approx 40 Warriors 10 Immortals Annihilation Barge 2 Monoliths Couple Lords Destroyer Lord 3 Destroyers (no bases) 1 Ghost ark (no Warriors sitting in it) Doomsday Ark and some more stuff (it might actually be a lot more than this, I havent touched them in FOREVER)
>>43914426
No no, birds are evil. Liking birds will make you fall to Tzeentch.
Just like Moose are the heralds of Malal.
>>43914366
>>43914403
>>43914404
Cheers folks.
>>43914529
>No no, birds are evil. Liking birds will make you fall to Tzeentch.
Isn't that just crows? He really loves crows.
>Just like Moose are the heralds of Malal.
This strangely works for some reason.
>>43914158
>>43914184
Pretty cool, but with no jump pack guard I'm not sure what he would be able to do.
>>43914662
Well, the completely unworkable on tabletop backstory is that the Brellian 7th regiment, due to a tremendous administratum cockup, recieved a shipment of Jump Packs intended to be split up and delivered to several dozen marine chapters.
Thus, every member of the regiment, regardless of battlefield role or whether it would even be of any use to them, is issued with a Jump Pack.
The Colonel is currently in negotiations with the Enginseers as to whether or not strapping a bunch of excess jump packs to a Leman Russ qualifies as tech heresy.
I sent email to Z over 2 weeks ago and no answer so far. Should I send a new one or just skip all the hassle and buy from aliexpress instead?
>>43914497
Well I understand I am trading the less "meta" army but I would hope to still field atleast 1250+ points.
I am definitely interested in Necrons.
As I said I have:
Metal Big Mek with KFF and PK
Warboss
Ghazgkul with smaller bits missing (badly painted)
Weird Boy with pieces missing (skin painted)
30 Boyz
5 Grotzooka Killa Kanz
6 Deff Dreads (double rokkits)
15 Lootas
10 Gretchin with Runtherd (skin painted green)
3 Deff Koptas, 1 base missing (noses used for test painting)
5 Tankbustas with Nob (skin painted)
12 Burna Boyz (skin painted)
Nobs (skin painted)
3 meks (skin painted)
If you could get back to me with everything you actually have maybe I can pick apart a good part of a list from it and we can discuss privately how to go about it.
>>43914756
>any leman russ equipped with excessive jump packs may choose to jink once per game
>>43914884
Gotcha, it'll be a couple weeks at least, the army isnt where im living for school currently and I know for a fact it can get 2k points on the field at least, also im not really concerned about the "lesser meta" I enjoy Orks and thats my curse lol
>>43914925
That seems a remarkably restrained interpretation of the phrase "Jump Leman Russ"
>>43915006
Ah, the question then is how to contact each other once you find out what you have?steamor
>>43915066
Okay, how about this
>if a leman russ equipped with excessive jump packs would come on from reserve, you must declare if it is hovering or zoomimg
>>43913978
I like it. They are good in mech lists if you dont have the points to buy a chimera for a command squad.
My GW is a fairly chill place, they allow forgeworld, allow conversions, outside glue and paint, but they dont allow proxies.
Azazel is dead, he's not in the rules anymore for fantasy, and he used to be daemon prince. If I used this model as a Keeper of secret, will they complain? It's an OOP model and it looks very similar to the GW one as well. ( I removed the wings though)
Would this be classified as a conversion or proxy?
>>43914925
If a Jump Pack can lift one marine, how many would the Leman Russ need? After that, how many more would you have to add to be excessive?
Leman Russ weight, divided by Assault Marine weight plus an excessive amount more.
>>43915139
So a leman russ weighs sixty tons, that's a start. Assuming a ton is still a ton in the grim darkness of the far future
>>43915182
and a marine in gear weighs 300kg minimum i'd imagine
>>43914662
count it as a grav chute.
>>43913774
Mu'gulath is burning.
>>43915254
I mean, if you actually could give a commish a jump pack what use would it be?
>>43915254
Jump regiment guy here: I was staggeringly dissapointed when I learned the Elysians are just using glorified parachutes.
>>43915265
Foolish deserters! You can run, but you can't FLY!
>>43915139
>>43915182
I think Marines are ~430kg and Power Armor is ~300kg (I think) but I am not sure if Assault Marines are lighter.
So like 50-60 jump packs?
Anyone with a spare russ and 50-60 jump packs want to help us out here.... for science
>>43915256
The feels,gue'la
A jump russ can make a move of up to 12 inches, but must make a dangerous terrain test every time it moves, or even rotates on the spot, for any reason.
Is there anywhere i can find the kill team rules?
>>43914662
Because some fag is going to sperg over "m-m-m-uh s-snowflake m-m-marines!" sooner or later I may as well say it. Jump packs are like drop pods; anyone that isn't a Marine (in armor) would be crushed internally by the motive force of a rocket pack strapped to the back. Orks are Orks, and Seraphim have power armor too, but Guard would just die.But with 7th anyone can ride in a drop pod so fuck GW and fuck that fluff do what you want
>>43915351
If it uses it's jump pack to tank shock a unit each model must make an initiative test or be instantly crushed under the flying tank.
>>43915295
What did you think they were doing?
>>43913537
>My bullshit list didn't work
>makes for great story
Burn your models
>>43913935
An ork mek
>>43913978
I dunno, I take one, give him a fist, use hammerhand on the squad of guardsmen and win melee all the time
>>43915073
It would have to be steam, reddit makes my face hurt
>>43913211
Daemons are for FUN.
>>43915114
I dunno maybe you should ask someone?
>>43913678
They're imperials.
>>43914426
Are they like crucifixes? Maybe it only has power if it is specifically made as a symbol of chaos
Steam: 2 NaCl E 4 u
>>43915587
See >>43915668 , oops
>>43915518
Jet pack infantry, going by the art alone.
>>43915576
>what are Priests
>Hammerhand from a Commissar in the first place
>>43915638
If an Imperial symbol has a skull does it cancel out the Khorne crucifix?
>>43914052
Just run them using loyalist rules of your choice. Space Wolves are nice since they get double specials just like Chaos, plus Thunderwolf Cavalry can easily be proxied with Bloodcrushers (optimally with Berzerker riders) or Chaos Knights. Gladius Strikeforce is nice, but you'll end up with a bunch of Razorbacks that you can't use with actual Chaos.
CSM are probably getting new rules next year, although it might just be Tzeentch Daemonkin.
So, a friend of mine is starting Traitor Guard and I'm looking for what to get him for christmas. He already has:
The Cadian Defense Force Box
1 Leman Russ
1 Baneblade
Enough Chaos bits to chaosify all of the above.
What's the next step?
>>43916199
More infantry. Zombies to use with IG models to make mutants would be good.
>>43916230
Oh right, forgot to mention. He has a shitload of Cultists he can use from his CSM for Guardsmen. I still think of those as CSM models, even though they're pulling double duty.
>>43916243
In that case, he should just get what he wants. Personally, I'd get some Armored Sentinels with Plasma Cannons, but that's just because I think they look awesome.
>>43916199
that's what, a platoon of guardsmen, two russes, a chim and a blade?
plus cultists?
Ogryn might be a cute gift, if a bit pricey depending on your budget.
>>43916230
zombies and soemthign to use as chaos spawn. Those spawn are easily in the top 3 units in the army.
>>43916283
That sounds like a good plan. Maybe once he chaos-es them up I can convince him to proxy them as the Chaos Spawn HE REFUSES TO USE NO MATTER HOW OFTEN HE LOSES AND I KEEP TELLING HIM THEY'RE GOOD, FUCK YOU AND YOUR SALTY WAYS IAN YOU COULD BEAT MY 'CRONS IF YOU'D JUST *LISTEN*.
>>43913730
>MoT with a hell of buffs
>nerfing MoN and MoS
>not giving MoK both options
Fuck off magnus fags
>>43916322
>chaos spawn
>good
I mean, theyre okay but i wouldnt use them outside of khorne daemonkin
>>43916322
Get some plague ogryns if you don't mind the price.
>TFW you really love Blood Angels fluff you think the models are cool, you know the rules are shit, and you're making an army anyways
IDGAF
>>43916341
Beat the shit out of the warp talons and chaos terminators he keeps trying to use as assault troops.
>>43916347
Yeah, Ogryns seem like the next plan.
>>43916331
Given that he specified that the Mark of Khorne lost Rage/Counter-Attack, it's safe to assume MoN, MoS, and MoT all kept their current effects in addition to his proposed changes.
>>43916430
Okay yeah, both of those are fucking trash
>>43916402
>MT army
>now considering adding that sentinel formation on top
follow your dreams
>>43916460
The extra problem is, while he doesn't say anything, he always treats playing against my Necrons as a fucking chore, and he always, ALWAYS comes out of it some degree of salty. I've tried helping him find the good shit in his book, but no, he's decided on his path, and he'd rather be mad than use it.
At least Daemonkin has given him some sort of out - he's regularly shoving a kitted out Lord in with a squad of Khorne Dogs.
So, if I wanted to run Loyalist 1K sons is there a formation for that? Is it even viable? No specific list or point values, assume at any level.
Put my Int Chap on a Bike for my Ravenwing army, still a WIP but first time working with green stuff and the cape turned out alright.
The GW employee was trying to sell me some SM box set with a librarian last time I was in just because it was easier to put on a bike then this one but I think this model is WAY cooler.
>>43916452
I re-read the post and you are right, but even then the MoT receive way more buffs than the rest and the MoK is just +1 attack.
Anyone with the updated Doom of Mymeara book that can tell if there are any new formations for the Pale Courts' Warhost? Besides those in the CW:Eldar codex.
>>43916538
>look ma, no hands!
>>43916322
I use the gal vorbak. Works out to being cheaper than gw spawn. They are the same base size and are large models
Did the contemptor rules get an update for 40k recently? I know they did for 30k but I had the impression that it was also for 40k but cant find it, maybe I was wrong.
>>43913978
nah, i have good success with him, just needs a price cut on himself and his wargear
love that emperors bendiction
>>43916516
You mean Blood Ravens? There's a book for them. You might have heard of it. It's called Codex: Space Marines.
>>43913211
I have a pretty cool story story
>run an inquisiton squad consisting of my inquisitor, crusaders, a priest with a eviscerator, a psyker, an allied in primaris psyker and loads of bare bones acolytes
>my friend brings a imperial knight
>my primaris psyker rolls on santic for hammer hand and sanctuary
>later in the battle my friend is ignoring my squad to shoot at something else,
>most of the acolytes dead so I psyker up
>"I charge titan"
>crusaders lead the charge and I emperor protects for a 2+++ with reroll
>the knight goes wild with it's giant chainsaw and trying to stomp all over my guys but I get lucky my tiny crusaders block it like nothing
>priest goes full rules of nature with with S8 ap2 armourbane weapon
>slices the knight up and takes off it's last hullpoints
I still lost but that was the greatest feat my guys ever pulled off.
>>43917141
You named the priest Raiden, right?
>>43916612
My thought process was that MoT is, without question, the worst of the marks and I was having some trouble coming up with more buffs for MoK. +1 WS or BS (Controlling player's choice)? Rampage, maybe. Adamantium will is fluffy but shit.
>TFW Breacher Squads are some of your favorite models ever, but they don't have 40k rules
>>43917443
Fire Warrior Breachers?
Kataphron Breachers?
>>43917455
Space Marine Breachers.
>>43917443
Sure they do
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Siege_Assault_Vanguard_Army_List_Update.pdf
>>43917267
I call her the mistress repenta because she's a converted repenta model leading the cultist acolytes in to battle to repent for their sins.
>>43917386
Mark of Khorne: +1 A, Furious Charge, Counter-Attack
Mark of Slaanesh: +1 I, Acute Senses, Night Vision, Fleet
Mark of Nurgle: +1 T, Defensive Grenades
Mark of Tzeentch: 5++ or +1 to Invuln, Harness warp on 3+ or generate 1 WC if non-psyker, Access to Divination
All characters with a Mark may purchase an Exalted Mark.
Exalted Mark of Khorne (15 Points): +1 WS, +1 W, Rampage, Crusader
Exalted Mark of Slaanesh (15 Points): +1 WS, +1 W, Hit & Run
Exalted Mark of Nurgle (25 Points): +1 W, Feel no Pain or +1 to Feel No Pain if already have
Exalted Mark of Tzeentch (35 Points): +1 W, Psyker Mastery Level 1 or +1 to Mastery Level, May reroll dice when generating powers
Unmarked characters can purchase:
Exalted Champion of Chaos (10 Points): +1 W, May add or subtract one from one of the dice rolled for Chaos Boons (can't be used to get Apotheosis), Fearless
Icons are changed to the following. Units that Deep Strike within 6" of an Icon with the same alignment or within 6" of an Icon of Vengeance do not scatter.
Icon of Wrath (25 Points): Unit may reroll charge distances, units being charged can only overwatch if they pass a LD test, unit gains Hatred and Hammer of Wrath.
Icon of Excess (40 Points): Unit gains Feel No Pain, Preferred Enemy.
Icon of Decay (25 Points): Unit gains Slow and Purposeful, Stealth, and any models in melee with the unit suffer a number of S2 hits with the Poison (2+) rule equal to the number of models in the unit at I1.
Icon of Flame (20 Points): Bolt weapons and Autocanons used by the unit gain AP3 or Shred if they already have AP3. All ranged and melee attacks by the unit have Soul Blaze.
>>43916700
There's about 10 formations in the book that can be added to a craftworld warhost detachment. On top of the pale courts Battlehost
So there's that I guess.
>>43912899
>Salamanders
>those vehicles
I'm jelly
Well I finally got my grubby hands on some fucking Tau Emissary ships.
yay
>>43917518
It's a fun army list to play, that's for sure.
>>43913211
>found some guys at my uni who play
>being college students we all only had one army
>3 Space Marine armies
>1 Ork army
>2 Chaos Marine armies
>I use Necrons
>1500 point battle
>Me vs Space Wolves
>we were both rather inexperienced
>Tabled him on turn 3
>guy never comes back
what a shame
>>43917930
I like it.
Ok, /tg/- I need some help with rules. I play Blood Angels, and I'll have an opportunity to run the Angel's Fury Spearhead formation this weekend. Thats the one with the 3 stormravens and three 10 man tactical squads with teleport homers. The troops in the formation are ObSec and Augur triangulation says I don't scatter when arriving from deepstrike if I'm within 12 of two model with the teleport homers. First off, is it the teleport homers, or the formation that gives Augur Triangulation? I've argued with my buddies about this before, but it looks like it comes from the formation and not the equipment, imo- what do you guys think? Second, do my tactical marines need to be deployed on the ground to use augur triangulation? My group said they do, but all of the batreps and online tactica I've seen says that they can still use it while embarked in the stormraven- measuring the 12" from the hull of the vehicle teleport homer marine is inside of. Does this sound right to you? For Sanguinius and the Emperor.
>>43918420
Augur Triangulation is given by the formation, but the rule itself specifies that it's based off of the models equipped with the homers. That would also mean that you'd only get the benefits of Augur Triangulation if the Tacicals are outside of their transports.
>>43918226
What were the lists?
>>43918420
Augur triangulation is very clearly from the formation, not from the homers.
>>43918503
Can you point to the ruling that says that? I don't see anything that says it can't be used when embarked upon a transport.
>>43918503
That's wrong. Your measuring range to the model with the teleport homer. The transport rules tell us how to measure distance to a model embarked on a transport: measure to the hull instead.
>>43918610
Is the transport a model equipped with a teleport homer? No.
>>43918226
>find out some guys at college play 40k at lunch
>go check it out one day
>500 points of tau vs orks
>no cover
>no missions
>some kans, a big mek and a bunch of boyz for the orks
>a riptide, commander and 2 squads of firewarriors for the tau
Never went back.
>>43918662
You freaking dumbass you measure from the hull. It still works.
>>43918420
Yeah dude the tactical squad can't have come on that turn but otherwise they can still be measured from the hull.
>>43918671
A riptide in a 500 point list?
Jesus H Christ. And against Orks too, with no terrain.
Fucked up shit.
>>43918590
iirc
>1 Overlord
>1 unit of warriors with a Ghost ark
>5 Deathmarks
>10 Lichguard
>I can't remember what the rest of my points were
I remember even less about his army, but the gist was
>Squad of Terminators
>HQ
>Drop pods with Dreadnauts
>Rhino
>bikers
>regular marines
I swear he had an aneurysm when he dropped a dreadnaut into my army to try and take my Ghost ark and he missed, then was instantly blown up by my Overlord and Lichguard next turn
>>43915576
>Bullshit list
Dude, I was playing in a tournament. He also had 2 Wraith Knights as part of his CAD.
>>43917518
You sir are a God among men.
>>43913955
I like them very much. They're a fun, very melee based army. However, getting a troupe across the board is very hard, as amassed S5 or better will cut them into ribbons.
Lore question, are the Adeptus Mechanicus stagnated or do they try to advance their tech? (Asking because in Mont'ka they tried to get ahold of the Stormtides) Also whats the difference between them and the Dark Mechanicus other than obvious allegiances.
>>43918671
>riptide at 500 points
absolutely no fucking shame
>>43919205
>are the Adeptus Mechanicus stagnated
yes
>do they try to advance their tech?
yes
>>43918733
Yo, etiquette question:
I'm just getting into 40k and I'm planning on building a Nid army. The 1500 point army I'm planning features a Flyrant cause they're awesome, but I'm planning on starting with a 500 point army. If I include a Flyrant in a 500 point army, am I a douche-a-saurus?
Has anybody here played Zone Mortalis?
>>43919294
Depends, but being that you're playing Nids most people wont mind too much. Magnetizing the wings so you can keep it on the ground for low points games is my advice.
>>43919205
DarkMech plays with warp infused tech which was forbidden after the robot army uprising and because chaos. The Admech does advance their tech but since technology is their currency they keep everyone in the dark except for the highest ranking magos who is the one that does the innovating while everyone else copies. Of course that is a bit moot because above all things the Mechanicus wants to rediscover the lost wonders of STC so looking for relics is far more important than creating your own shit, because your DIY new gizmo will never be as good as a complete STC.
>>43919293
Basically,
Since 30k they've gained some technology and lost others.
In about equal measure.
>>43917930
May I make a points recommendation? Price it so that if a stock Chaos Marine squad buys their Exalted Mark, they get 9/10 of what their Cult gets, and cost 1 ppm less - so Exalted of Khorne are Berzerkers Without Chainaxes, Exalted of Slaanesh are Noise Marines Without Sonic Blasters, etc.
>tfw they RUINED Pask
fucking go to hell GW
Who has that picture with the Magos and the boombox? A drawfriend drew on one thread where I asked what happens if a magos reinvents the boombox?
>>43919391
>Imperium dude who lacked significant characterization turns out to be a dick.
wow this is just so surprising. Chill your anus guy.
>>43919337
yeah
>>43919460
I just wanted space Patton, not giant space dildo
>>43919294
No one has room for AA in 500 points. Stick with the usual 1HQ, 2 troops and one from the heavy, fast attack or elite slots.
>>43919470
How was it?
>>43919293
>>43919348
thanks guys, gotta hear my friend talk about how cool the Dark Mechanicus is because they actually try to advance their tech unlike the AD Mech
>>43919476
Then you probably should be looking at Creed.
>>43919294
>500 points
just use a tyranid prime
at that points level it's still going to be an absolute monster if it hits combat
>>43919368
Exalted Marks are just character upgrades. Regular mark pricing would vary based on which units buy them.
Really, the whole codex needs adjustments and points alterations.
>>43919476
>Character doesn't match the historical figure I wanted to inject into the setting, therefor GW ruined the character.
>>43919522
I prefer it to regular 40k, but it only gets good once you hit 1000 points.
>>43919551
damn straight you flaming homo
>>43919550
What the codex needs is splitting up. It's trying to be too many things right now. It's the armies of each of the Four Chaos Gods. It's the Legions left over from the Heresy. It's renegades that just split from the Imperium. It's Abbadon's Great Crusade. There's not enough overlap between all of those to be a single book.
>>43919344
>>43919491
I like the magnetizing the wings idea, I can have one or two 500 point lists in case my opponent can't handle the AA
>>43919537
Trying to mitigate the coming plastic crack addiction
ty /tg/
Speaking of 500 points, should I put my Marines in Rhinos, or footslog them?
>>43919559
Isn't the standard ZM board 4x4? 1000 points seems pretty big for that, no?
>>43919631
Take as man squads of five marines with a melta in each of them, get a commander with no upgrades and walk forward.
>>43919697
Zone Mortalis, according to the pdf, can be played up to 1500pts. Personally I think its a great rule set to play in a table crammed with terrain, kind of like playing cities of death.
Does anyone know if there are printable version of the cities of death objectives? I know they are in a WD but I just want an image file that I can print.
Continuing on the subject of etiquette, what would you say that you wish new players knew/what are your pet peeves?
>>43919842
No, learning is fun, especially physiology
>>43919842
We get it. You're still new and enamored with the world and loving the narrative. For the love of god, PLEASE, don't make me spend a third of the game listening to you talk about how that one lone marine just held off a full squad of guardsmen or your hive tyrant just showed up and reduced a vehicle's occupants to ash or whatever. I know about it. I was THERE.
Doing it sometimes is fine. Especially when really interesting shit happens. But I've literally lost games because my opponent was playing Orks and did this and the game went to time. This was years ago, and I'm still salty.
>>43919842
If you don't want faggots going aspie about dice sort things out before the game. Ask how cocked dice should be dealt with, ask how wounds are counted and ask and learn that picking up misses first is more trustworthy than removing hits.
>>43919842
Try to learn the BRB rules and those in your own codex, if you don't know other armies rules people won't mind, but the generals and yours are seen as your responsibility. From the modeling side, thin your paints and treat others models with respect. Generally if you try to be a nice guy you're already ahead of the curve.
>>43919956
Dear god, I hope that isn't as big of a problem as you made it sound.
>>43919962
I can see that being a good idea
>>43920001
Already read through the BRB and half of my own codex. I've done some model painting for Full Thrust, so I think I know what I'm getting int... maybe
Is there anything Warhammer specific that I ought to know?
>Reading Mont'ka
>Like most of the new age artwork
>Get to 'Hour of the Executioner'
>mfw Power Ranger Assassin artwork
Jesus it looks like Code Lyoko tier 3D renderings
>>43920068
>Dear god, I hope that isn't as big of a problem as you made it sound.
It usually isn't, but it's particularly endemic in new players who do know the narrative and don't know the rules, so they're really looking at everything through the narrative lens. New players can take it to a certain extreme, and a certain subset of the playerbase never really grows out of that extreme.
As for warhammer specific - well, it's not a newbie thing. It's more something more experienced players need to worry about, but I'll say it anyway: There's an arms race to 40k. If everyone's playing on the same tier, it's fine, but shit isn't balanced and everyone knows it. If you start bringing your Good Stuff, everyone else is going to have to start bringing their Good Stuff, and it creates a sort of escalation a lot of players don't enjoy - especially those who don't have a lot of S-class units. Understand the tier the locals are playing at, and play to it, or be ready for a lot of bitching when they find entire swathes of their codices unplayable in the new environment.
Are there any good sites other than DakkaDakka to post a list for feedback? I've got all my Red Scorpion toys ready to be assembled but I want to give it one last pass/critique before I start gluing and sawing stuff.
>>43920207
Anon where do you think you're posting?
>>43920207
There's 4chan, but they're a bunch of faggots who are afraid of anything approaching a good list.
There's Warseer, but posting there can get you drawn into their other forums, and holy shit, you don't want to wind up in those trollfests.
There's reddit, but good fucking luck getting a response.
Those are the other ones I know of that I'd call even sort of good.
Anyone come across any scans of the new version of ia11 Doom of Mymeara yet?
>>43920126
>complains about art
>posts animu image, is probably a weeb
the irony of it all
>>43920185
ty, you've been quite helpful, but I've got one last question:
I'm starting as nids; how likely am I to be fucked over by a new codex release/new rules of somesort in the moresoonerish future?
>>43920355
You have nowhere to go but up.
>>43920355
Fucked If We Know.
>>43920381
We thought the same thing for Orks, recall.
>>43920381
This is at the same time comforting and terrifying.
>>43920402
My condolences. May there always be WAAAGH!
>>43920312
>using animu reaction image makes you a weeb
wat
>>43919476
Honestly, if offered the choice between Patton in space and a Giant Space Dildo(tm) I would pick the Giant Space Dildo(tm) every time.
Think about it. I can even imagine being offered this in a talk...
"So mr. Anon, we are offering two choices."
"Ok."
"On one hand you have Pattin in space. On the other you have a Giant Space Dildo(tm). Which do you want?"
"... honestly I'm not entirely sure."
"And why is that?"
"Well on one hand you have Patton in space which is always handy. I mean, who wouldn't want Patton in space? Probably a cool guy to shoot the shit with, can hold his drink I assume. Pretty cool."
"This is true."
"On the other hand, a Giant Space Dildo."
"Trademark."
"Yes, trademark. I mean, I don't ever think I formed a sentence in my life that contained these three words strung together but... Goddamn, I want it now."
"This is the typical reaction yes. What do you think the Giant Space Dildo(tm) has over Patton in space?"
"Well for one it would be a great diplomatic tool. Think of the possibilities when meeting new alien species! It would be a great icebreaker! Patton is nice but really you wouldn't bring some arsehole along to a first contact. He wouldn't do much for the atmosphere."
"Really?"
"Yeah. The aliens would be standing there all awkward and stuff and we would be like, "hey check it out, we have a geezer in a tank!" And they would be like, "what the fuck is a tank?" But bring a Giant Space Dildo-"
"Trademark."
"- trademark, and suddenly they aliens be all like "yo dude is that you envoy or are you just happy to see us?" Great idea right?"
"I see."
[leans over to speaker beside chair]
"Confirm termination of Lord Solar Macharius, his mind is not what it used to be."
wasn't patton a jerk? i recall an incident where he slapped some recruit that had ptsd or something
>>43920503
Kek
>>43920312
Pretty hard to avoid Chinese cartoons on a Mongolian cotton picking board, you will find.
>>43920503
>"Confirm termination of Lord Solar Macharius, his mind is not what it used to be."
>>43920503
Patton is trademarked?
>>43920565
Yeah he was an ass, im not really sure why /tg/ thinks he was perfect. Pretty sure he was even removed from the front lines for awhile due to mistreatment of those under his command (probably the slapping incident)
>>43920270
Quite a few threads back, let me see.....
>>43866096
>>43913730
Everything sounds pretty cool minus the charging from deepstrike. Charging from deepstrike is always pretty dumb, I'd much prefer some mechanic to make them harder to kill on the following turn. Maybe since daemons, they get a 5+ invlun on the next turn? Not amazing but still not bad.
>>43920821
Charging from Deep Strike is needed in the modern game because there's too many ways to gun down units, even if snapfiring at that unit or it has a 2+ rerollable or what have you. The arms race has gotten too far along - a unit cannot survive an army's shooting for a turn before it charges.
>>43920821
>>43920877
That, and a +5 invuln is something Warp Talons already have, and no one takes warp talons because they get shot to shit if you try to deepstrike them.
>>43912922
>>43913032
>>43913096
>>43913129
>>43913134
The Admech being absolute assholes is why I love to play them. They are the troll faction of the imperium. The fact that Mont'ka has a mission where Admech and Guard are actually allies of convenience, and the admech faction can shoot at Guard units makes me want the book, and Guard is my other army.
Admech gets my trollboner raging.
>>43920877
Please no more charging from deepstrike. There is a reason they stopped that after fifth.
It focusses too much on alpha strikes and it's not fun to play against.
>>43921042
>The fact that Mont'ka has a mission where Admech and Guard are actually allies of convenience, and the admech faction can shoot at Guard units makes me want the book, and Guard is my other army.
Would-be AdMech player here. Please, tell me more.
>>43920877
I agree that melee needs a buff, but a high damage unit that can pick nearly any target on the board and then kill it with virtually no counter-play will just cause more problems than it solves. I'm all behind outflank getting to charge though, or perhaps deepstrike that requires a homing beacon or a unit nearby at the start of the turn. That way the opponent can play around it and doesn't just lose their non-melee warlord turn 2.
>>43921043
but marines in drop pods, eldar with wraithguard, or another strong shooting unit blowing up a few tanks in a single turn is perfectly okay
>>43921043
As opposed to the rest of the game right now, where if you don't have first turn your opponent gets a free victory point from First Blood, yes?
>>43919697
Lots of terrain, and objectives are usually spread out. Remember everything is infantry-speed, more or less.
4x4 is the perfect table size for 1000 points of ZM.
>>43921107
>>43921115
The solution to a fucked situation is not to make it more fucked, believe it or not.
Fuck mass assault from deepstrike. It's goddamn annoying watching swathes of your army die without being able to do shit about it.
The stuff you mentioned is annoying, but I would take it over the alternative honestly.
>>43921115
>>43921107
Melee if used right can protect you from shooting, allowing you to hop in and out of melee without any risk against several armies.
DS marines/wraithguard are still prone to getting shot at the next turn.
First Blood being a dumb objective is another story.
>>43921042
>The Admech being absolute assholes is why I love to play them.
>Admech gets my trollboner raging.
You're wasting our resources! Take off the chainsaw faces!
>>43921172
>Fuck mass assault from deepstrike. It's goddamn annoying watching swathes of your army die without being able to do shit about it.
How the fuck is that any different from mass shooting from deepstrike.
>>43915425
Don't forget those fluff-bending inquisitorial henchmen. Hell, those bastards even shoot bolters.
Still need another Battleforce and Dark Vengeance Bike squad to complete my list.
My first Land Speeder isn't even done with paint and I still have three more and a Dark Shroud to go. Not to mention the other half of my command squad and two bike squads.
I already notice my paint job is getting lazy but I was really hoping to have my army pretty much done as my play group will be meeting the weekend after next.
So wait, the entire concept of Space Marines in modern 40k is that they find a huge problem, drop down, and kill shit until it stops being a huge problem, right? Then the bureaucrats and the Guard and the PDF can come in and mop up after they've exterminated Marine-scale threats?
How the fuck does that jive with the Imperial Fists' thing of "Siege"? If you're supposed to strike in, remove the problem, and leave to find the next troubled spot, how is building fortifications and waiting out the enemy at all a thing you do?
>>43921281
Sometimes you need to drop in and protect somewhere important. Like a forge or hive. Or some really fancy shrine.
>>43921062
There's a campaign mission that is 2v1, Guard+Admech vs. Tau. There are 3 or 4 objectives in Tau lines, Imperium must move up and capture them.
This goes along with a piece of fluff in the book where the Admech are advancing into Tau lines along side the Guard, their real objective is to find some kind of Tau terraforming/weather control/shield thing and bring it back to the admech cruiser. So they find it, and leave the battle, and now the Guard have an entire flank exposed because the Admech gives no fucks. Shadowsun is like "you focking wot m8?" and starts sending in the reserves to force the newly exposed flank.
In the mission one of the 3 or 4 objectives is randomly determined to be Admech shiny object. Admech and Guard are allies of convenience, can't score objectives is one is near the other, and there are two different warlords, one Guard and one Admech on their team.
The admech player wants the shiny object, and the Guard player wants the objectives in the other parts of the Tau deployment zone. Basically the Admech player wants to make sure the Guard player doesn't touch his shiny object, and can actually fire on the Guard player's units (on his own team) to force them off it so the Admech pllayer and score it for himself.
Read Mont'ka dude its up on the rules database in the sticky.
>>43921179
Shove it up your cogitator fleshling.
>>43921281
>So wait, the entire concept of Space Marines in modern 40k is that they find a huge problem, drop down, and kill shit until it stops being a huge problem, right?
No, they find a big problem and then they proceed to strike key positions and dismantle the enemy piece by piece from deep behind enemy lines and with no link to their own supply lines for each is self-sufficient and has enough redundancy to survive and act on its own.
>How the fuck does that jive with the Imperial Fists' thing of "Siege"?
Drop in with the big guns and entrench yourself, basically create a frontline where the enemy is weak and doesnt want a frontline, then move out and strike again. I dont think Imperial Fists build fortifications anymore, I know Black Templars build fortifications where they finished a crusade but they act with more numbers and their whole doctrine is less special forces and more "Charge and assault the enemy as the ships in orbit provide covering fire and nuke the enemy positions".
>>43921179
>not wanting to french kiss chaos to death
>>43921172
who are you fighting where someone is using mass assault from deepstrike? i feel for you, i do but at least with assault there's a chance to fight back and even guardsmen can smack daemon princes to death.
>>43921278
the lean bikers are ready to rumble
>>43921385
>Shove it up your cogitator fleshling.
How many Baneblades do I need to hold hostage before you change your ways?
>>43921391
Anon, it's like you want Khorne to have a love hate relationship with you.
>>43921281
Space marines encompass all forms of combat really. Sure most of the time they're dropping in to punch a hole in the enemies lines that opens things up for the guard, but there are also those times where they send in the scouts for recon/sniping and times where you really just need to tell the guard what to do.
Defence jobs are just one of those times where all you have to do is let the enemy come to you. Like for example, tyranids. You drop pod in and wipe up hundreds of them. Then what? You get overrun and are just part of the biomass (there's actually a lamenters story where that happens exactly). It's much more effective to BUILD WALL and mow them down from afar.
>>43921389
>they act with more numbers
Wait what?
>>43921420
>How many Baneblades do I need to hold hostage
>Baneblades
>I
>Hold hostage
I must be speaking to a xeno, that's not how things work around here.
>>43921420
well i do play with mostly slaanesh daemons
>>43921426
>>43921389
So they're the ones you call in to create a new hardpoint and catch the enemy pin a pincer, when shit's REALLY bad and you can't just lean on the fact that they're Astartes and use that to pull you through. Everyone else finds the main target and neutralizes it, while the Fists are more set up to deal with hordes. Is that so?
It sorta makes them sound like the Guardsmen of the Marines.
>>43921477
I'll take the ones that are badly damaged or greatly in need of repairs hostage.
>>43921484
That explains it.
>>43921042
I just played a game where a Holy Requisitioner waited until the enemy had captured a midfield point and dropped a dozen T5 3+ 2W rapewagons on them. I've played matches where my Infiltrators ambushed a full squad of Death Company marines and massacred them with WS7 and rerolls to hit.
Admech are the ultimate troll army. They're so much fun to play.
>>43921454
Crusades can be as small as a single squad or several hundred marines, largest crusade on record was the Armaggeddon one with three crusades deployed (Grimaldus and his 100 bros, another similar crusade and then Helbrecht with 1000 marines fighting in orbit).
>>43921395
'I dont know how to paint tires = (
Also unsure if I am going to attempt basing
>>43921278
wait, are you painting these unprimed? that might explain while you're having a problem
>>43921198
Mass assault gives the other player a chance to strike first (overwatch) and a chance to strike back the same turn.
>>43921523
Well, you used that picture of Lysander, which brings another point.
The Imperial Fists' specialty isn't siegeworks. It's counterattacking. They build a wall, let the enemy charge them, then charge back with Terminators who whack Titan ankles to death.
The whole "siege" thing just comes naturally from their style of warfare, which is to let the enemy come, attack, and break against them.
>>43921686
No I am using gray primer which I will never use again because its hard for me to tell what I hit.
The int chap isn't primed yet.
>>43921734
good, because i've tried and it's not for the faint at heart. white would work a lot better since it'd make the yellow standout
Here is a closer look at one of the bikers
>>43921841
White primer is godly. Once you go with it, you'll never use that oily black shit ever again.
>>43921845
Why did you coat the entire thing in a dark wash?
>>43921857
Oh boy, two of the Land Speeder I bought prebuilt and one is primed white the other black, will see how it goes.
>>43921881
Because I am bad at painting and thought it would cover up my shit tier brush strokes.
