Would you have a problem with a male moon god who is lawful good?
Does he wear a dress?
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>>43888410
No, but you're not giving me much to go on here. It's your setting, friendo, you can have an entire pantheon of Moon Village People if you want.
>>43888410
Of course not.
>>43888410
Why should I? Nothing wrong with it. But I have a feeling you aren't telling us something.
Fine with me
>>43888410
>lawful 'good'
Inshallah my friend.
>>43888441
>>43888434
He's pointing out how moon deities are almost always portrayed as female and some shade of chaotic.
>>43888469
Why do those tentacles end in glans?
>>43888469
Well he/she is lawful neutral. Maybe. Sorta... why is there no good npc in dark souls? I mean, no good npc that is not scheduled to fail and die horribly.
Lautrec did nothing wrong by the way.
>>43888488
Good for him!
But it's his setting, he doesn't need to adhere 100% to real world mythology.
>>43888410
He better be sexy.
>>43888492Japanese hentai
>>43888418
No.
>>43888441
I have two players who for some reason have a huge problem with it. And one even called me Gender Nazi.
>>43888492
Those are snakes heads, though it is not clear in the pic that they are.
>>43888502
Run while you still can, m8.
>>43888502
Don't tell me you're going to be a pushover and listen to the nagging of pissy players.
>>43888502
What the actual fuck.
>>43888502
>No.
It's shit then. Anyway it is an odd choice, but I think the problem is more with the players.
>>43888502
Why do these two players have s problem with your choice?
>>43888502
There are lots of male moon gods.
>Mani
>Elatha
>Meness
>Iah
>Khonsu
>Thoth
>Avatea
>Jie Lin
>Chandra
>Tsukuyomi
>Ay Ata
>Kalfu
>>43888502
If someone calls you that the only correct response is laughter in a mocking manner.
The god of cold light with his crown of stars. The bringer of soothing dark and relief from the burning of the sun.
He fashioned mankind from clay and put his pale light in their eyes.
He walked amongst them in the first days and gave to them the first laws [copy and past the 7 Noahide Laws here].
>>43888587
You forgot
>Allah
>>43888772
Allah's not a moon god any more than Santa is a god of wisdom, runes and battle.
>>43888799
Wait, he's not?
Shit, have I been worshiping the wrong guy.
>>43888846
What makes you think that Allah is a moon god?
Tsukuyomi is a moon god, and is lawful good.
>>43888772
>allah
>good
get out of here with that shit
>>43888799
Don't you talk shit about my homie St. Nick. You also forgot that he's a patron of beggars and protstitutes.
>>43888495
No shit. The guy was pointing out that OP was pointing out that moon deities are tipically female. Are you an idiot? Do you not understand that this thread has real purpose even somebody examples it to you in the most explicit way possible?
>>43889476
NO real purpose*
>>43888410
Isn't that in the Silmarillion though?
After the Darkening of the Two Trees, one of the Maiar is tasked with guiding the Moon and he was in love with the one who guided the Sun, if memory serves.
>>43888410
At least make him drag.
>>43888418
Moon god is now a trap
>>43888410
Maybe a little. The whole "lunacy" thing really implies Chaotic to me.
>>43888410
Not especially.
Would he be the counterpart to an evil sun goddess?
>>43888410
Moon gods are supposed to be female, anon. That is just the way it works.
Also, probably neutral.
YOU ARE GOING AGAINST THE NATURAL ORDER
>>43888494
He crossed you, that's plenty wrong for a guy to die in Dark Souls.
>>43889476
Are you an autistic faggot? I can read. OP didn't specify shit at the beginning and answers needed to be goaded out of him. There's no point to this thread other than OP needing to be told he has balls. Let do whatever the fuck he wants with his moon gods.
>>43888494
Gough is pretty solidly good, and never falls. At least, we don't have any evidence of him doing so.
>>43888410
I'd cut off the faces of criminals as sacrifice to him.
>>43888502
The only reason that we instantly assume a female moon goddess is because of the Greeks/Romans. The Sumerians and Vikings both had male moon gods.
>>43889687evil sun goddesses are my fetish
>>43889719
They're usually associated with change or cyclicity.
Maybe you could spin the cycle aspect into lawfulness
>>43889842
As an idle thought, it wouldn't be too hard to make a culture based on a lunar month calendar and spin their moon god as a giver of law and knowledge that way.
>>43888410
In the setting that I currently run I have a male moon God, but he is of two natures. He is effectively and Eldritch horror that converted to the side of the gods. But that just means he is a single divine form with two minds. One is lawful good, and the other is chaotic evil, represented by the phases of the moon. He is the god of change, both good and ill.
>>43889751
Now I want to play a blind Goliath archer, damn,
>>43889725
Well Lautrec is yet another tragic soul in the end. Sure he is an asshole but one with interesting reasons and actually I believe more consciousness about what is going on than any other human NPC.
>>43889910
What happens if there is more than one moon I wonder.
>>43888410
Yes, yes I would have a problem with that.
>>43890674
Ok, I will bite for the sake of newbies, so they learn not to listen to bait. What is the problem with it.
>>43888410
Not at all. All gods should be male anyway.
>>43889446
He's blown up enough stuff to blast something to the moon
>>43888502
They sound like bitches who probably want you to start in a tavern, rescue a princess, beat an ogre. Boom. campaign.
Such a detail seems pretty minor to me. Not good, not bad, just there.
>>43888410
TAKE YOUR MAGICAL REALM SHIT OUT OF HERE, BY THOR!!!
>>43891463
>BY THOR!!!
Would it be magical realm to say that the Norse lunar deity was Mani? Mani also was, in addtion to being the moon, a man.
>>43890788
I'm sure you're baiting in some way but I can't help but wonder what kind of explanation could theoretically be attached to this. Why?
>>43888437
>>43888410
>Would you have a problem with a male moon god who is lawful good?
I would have a problem with the use of the fucking retarded Dn'D alignment system being used because it's the biggest fucking plague on roleplaying entertainment in the history.
Also, Moon dieties are usually female, and Moon is generally associated with feminine principles, but that is hardly a rule (Thoft, Egyptian diety of the Moon was male, and he was generally regarded as a benevolent god of wisdom and by proxy, of order), so no - I really don't have an issue with the idea with the a male lunar diety.
>>43888502
>gender nazi
Well, what you must do now is clear.
>>43891571
TAKE YOUR NORSE MAGICAL REALM SHIT OUT OF HERE, BY RA!!!
>>43888502
>gender nazi
>>43891694
>BY RA!!!
Would it be magical realm to say that the Egyptian lunar deity was Thoth? Thoth also was, in addition to being the moon, a man.
>>43888441
>Why should I? Nothing wrong with it.
The deal is that moon is GENERALLY speaking associated with feminine principles, and feminine principles are GENERALLY associated with chaos. At least so goes the old Jungian theory. And it's not entirely wrong, it's just that it was never meant to be presented as an absolute rule, and we know plenty of historical examples of lunar dieties that were male, and "orderly" (as male dieties usually tend to be).
I am only guessing here, but I'd suppose the problem here is that OP's players heard the old Jungian mythology model theory somewhere and took it too literary and became adamant about enforcing it in the process - it frequently happens to insecure people who feel the urge to practice something they have heard and that gives them feeling of being educated or smart. Hell, I doubt anyone here is stranger to these kinds of urges, myself included.
>>43889663
The moon god was always a trap.
>>43888481
>I'm a terrorist please fuck my asshole
>>43891748
TAKE YOUR EGYPTIAN MAGICAL REALM SHIT OUT OF HERE, BY VISHNU!!!
>>43888418
>>43889663
>>43891791
>>43891824
TAKE YOUR TRAP SH--..... Actually, this is fine. carry on.
theres literally no benefit from in game gods
except the time i was given a laser pistol
>>43891766
Are there any cultures with trickster goddesses out there? Because thats the most "chaotic" deific archetype I can think of off the top of my head and I can only recall male ones.
>>43889461
He means Odin you cunt.
St. Nicolas was just a Christian fag who was for some reason attached to Santa, who is clearly based on Odin.
>>43888846
No shit.
How is Allah a moon god, faggot?
>>43891766
>OP's players heard the old Jungian mythology model theory
I think your are vastly overestimating the eruditeness of anyone that throws around the term "gender nazi." They're mad because it's not the norm for fantasy games. They are also probably, based again on their use a "gender nazi," tumblrinas that feel lunar deity-hood is a woman's safe place or whatever because their vague clusterfuck version of neopaganism said so in between advertisements for seance crystals and pentagram necklaces, and having a male lunar deity is LITERALLY raping ALL of womanhood because they're KILLING the DIVINE GODDESS.
>>43889533
That's correct.
>>43891896
As far as I know there are none, but I would warn against automatic association of "trickster" with chaos. It may seem intuitive to us now, but I would not be sure it was always percieved as such. Hell, in Slavic folklore, trickster is often ONE with the cultural hero character, who is the literal embodiment of order and social organization.
I think that "chaos" that is associated with feminine principle is much more fundamental form of chaos, an ontological one. Trickster operates within order, he uses the order to his own advantage. The feminine chaos is primordial chaos - potentiality itself, rather than just discord or social rebellion.
>>43891945
It's a norm of fantasy games precisely because it's the Jungian archetype - I'm not saying they necessarily have to know that it's most commonly associated with Jung (although, I seriously don't think it's such a rare and obscure knowledge in the first place), but they have been taught SOMEWHERE of the fact it's more "normal" or "common" or "proper" for a Lunar diety to be female.
As for the use of the term "gender nazi", to be honest I've never really encountered that anywhere, so I'm not exactly sure what it's supposed to mean.
I would assume that "gender nazi" would, in analogy to "grammar nazi" imply overzealous enforcement of gender-differenciation and roles - in opposition to more forgiving attitude towards gender stereotypes and roles. Am I wrong about that?
>>43892037
"Gender nazi" is just a lazy, universal attack. You're right; "gender nazi" should be used to describe someone that's very strict about gender roles – in which case they would always have lunar deities be female because it's the norm – but that's not the case. Instead, the logic is:
>gender = what they're talking about
>nazi = bad
>gender+nazi = someone I disagree with about anything related to gender, regardless of the position they take.
>>43891825
>BY VISHNU!!!
>>43891825
Would it be magical realm to say that there were multiple Hindu lunar dieties? Among them Chandra also was, in addition to being part of the moon, a man.
>>43892173
Thanks for the clarification... I honestly kinda gave up on following the latest bullshit in the non-academic discussion about gender and sex. It's just so fucking tiresome and frustrating that I don't want to keep up with it - luckly, where I live, it's much less of an issue.
>>43888587
Fucking Shiva was, at one point, a moon god.
>>43888410
I have a problem with a moon that isn't a paleblood.
>>43892319
>>43888587
I think the main problem here is that Moon is associated with feminity only in context of the Sun/Moon and day/night dichotomy (as sun is almost always associated with male principle). But moon can be viewed in different context, for an example you can set up the "darkness of night/light of the Moon" dichotomy, where Moon is the source of light, and hence suddenly becomes associated with male principles.
Most people who try to enforce the Jungian archetypes tend to forget that they are entirely contextual.
>>43888502
>one even called me Gender Nazi.
You know what you must do.
>>43892415
Probably has something to do with every woman on the planet going into a bloodrage with every full moon, before artificial lighting.
>>43888410
I kind of like this. The moon god, rather than a free spirit, is a diligent 9 to 5er that looks like John Jameson. The schedule says it's supposed to be a waxing half moon, and by golly it's going to be a waxing half moon tonight.
>>43888410
>Male Moon God
Wasn't that how it was in L5R? Except then he went full Kronos
>>43888410
Well of course, men can't be good.
>>43888410
As you can tell, OP, few of us have problems with it.
Some things I've noticed more people having problems with are:
>Evil or even Chaotic Neutral nature deities of any sort (notably, at least /tg/ seems to like Obad-Hai and Viridi, so not all is lost)
>Good gods of winter (seriously, even death gods get a better rap)
>Neutral fire gods (seriously, it's all either BURN BURN BURN TO THE GROUND or PRAISE THE BRINGER OF LIIIIIIIGHT)
Yes, because alignments are retarded and I don't play games with them.
>>43891824
sauce?
In the moonlite
Under startlite
Songs old as the night
Are what I've been dreamin' of
Everybody's hard as iron
Locked in a modern world
Dreams are make of a different stuff
I believe love will always be the same
The ways and means are the parts subject to change
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw_HKzo9Ync
>>43896578
>Good gods of winter (seriously, even death gods get a better rap)
Well winter has few upsides. Maybe some sort of "General Winter" like how its personified as a protector of Russia?
>>43888410
I'm perfectly fine with the idea.
>>43898765
I got that reference.
>>43896578
>Evil or even Chaotic Neutral nature deities of any sort (notably, at least /tg/ seems to like Obad-Hai and Viridi, so not all is lost)
Letting the whole "alignments are fucking retarded, stop fucking using them!" thing, I don't have a problem with natural dieties being chaotic, as I would have with the notion that there is just ONE god of nature. Nature is a little too complex phenomenon to be described under a single diety - there were always gods of various aspects of nature. The whole nature/nurture dichotomy is actually quite an anachronistic notion to force on pantheon, really.
>Good gods of winter (seriously, even death gods get a better rap)
Not always, but again it's more because there usually is more than one god of winter. Slavs, for an instance, have a god of Winter sunlight, Hors, who is quite obviously one of the most "good" goods of their pantheon. At the same time, though, Mara, the goddess of death and about the most negative one is also associated with winter.
>Neutral fire gods (seriously, it's all either BURN BURN BURN TO THE GROUND or PRAISE THE BRINGER OF LIIIIIIIGHT)
It's usually both, fire of the heath is usually something very different from a fire that burns down villages in folk imagination.
Here is a fun combination that I've noticed people to be surprised by, yet is very historical:
(Male) god of fertility, spring, abundance, bloom of flowers, and also... war. Supposedly a pretty good guy.
>>43898821
>(Male) god of fertility, spring, abundance, bloom of flowers, and also... war. Supposedly a pretty good guy.
Aztecs?
>>43898765
gotta go fast
>>43898783
I wonder if anyone's ever used that pantheon or setting now.
Like, there's a lot there to use as backstory.
>>43898839
Surprisingly, no.
Weirder. Slavs. And there is actually more than one of them: Jarilo and Svetovid.
Aztecs had some fucked up gods of their own, though. Very few other cultures had fertility gods demanding sacrifices of children whose nails were torn out (because the sacrifice only works when the child cries a lot), occasionally then be eaten by his own parents...
>>43898908
Only propaganda from Christian missionaries.
>>43900077
Not really, no. Archeological evidence supports pretty much all of it. The only part that was really exaggerated by the missionaries was the sheer size and scope of the rituals: they severally overstated the volume of the sacrifices happening. The child sacrifices, including some of the really gruesome details: we have evidence for that, including the graves, down to human teeth marks on the children bones. I'm specifically talking about the ritual sacrifices to Tlaloc in particular. You can look up the sources your self, if you want. Admitedly, Tlaloc was more of a rain and storm diety than a fertility one, though the two were deeply inteconnected, for understandable reasons.
>>43888502
Explain
>>43894900
L5r is wonky. First the moon was male, then he was unseated and a mortal woman became the moon, then she was unseated and a dragon took over being the moon.
>>43898765
Give me Speed lunord!
No reason a moon god can't be lawful good. The moon changes in constant rhythm - full to new to full once more. It governs the water, and by studying it, you can predict how the waters will flow. And it is good - the light in the darkness, shining upon the wicked who would skulk through the night.
As for male or female - do as thou wilt. I see no reason why Gods need a sex.
>>43889456
>>43901857
There's no reason Gods need a sex, but when they want to have one there's rarely anything anyone can do to stop them.
>>43888410
Literally already done.
Tsukiyo. LG Male Moon God in Tian Xia in the Golarion setting of Pathfinder. Heck, as bonus points he's boning the LG Sun Goddess
>http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Tsukiyo
>inb4 Golarion and PF are shit
They are, but that's not the point
>>43888488
That might be because the moon is always changing, and how a month coincides with the female cycle.
Since menstruation is magic to males, the moon can't possibly be male.
>>43891587
because if they were female they'd be goddess not gods
>>43906555
>>43891925
>St. Nicolas was just a Christian fag
Confirmed for not knowing SHIT about St. Nicholas the Wondermaker, he who punched another cardinal the fuck out at a high council
>>43891824
Sauce?
>>43888502
>Gender Nazi.
Go from there. The moon is male in German after all (der Mond as opposed to die Sonne)
