why doesn't the imperial guard use light tanks?
with light tanks the IG would be able to respond to enemy flanking maneuvers much faster, and while light tanks aren't as tough as normal tanks, they should be able to hold the line until the Leman Russ gets there
light tanks would probably be really useful against factions like the Dark Eldar, who rely on speed and maneuverability
>>43876358
I'm pretty sure the Salamander is a Light Tank.
>What is the Siegfried
>>43876392
Salamander is a armoured transport that can be used as a HQ or as Recon
>>43876417
>>What is the Siegfried
a tractor with a gun turret
also krieger tech-heresy
All the tanks used by the Imperium are light. Even the Land Raider is vastly inferior to real life MBTs.
Leman Russ Conquerors are Fast and 14/13/10.
>>43876358
Now I want to play Warthunder again.
But god damn the netcode in that thing is horrible
>>43876358
Hellhound and Variants are pretty much this. Fast vehicles with medium armor and a main meapon either against Infantry or other tanks.
They don't see much use in the tabletop because it isn't very good at representing constant maneuvering and are easily shot to pieces by a lot of things. Hellhounds are not that threatening agains all the MEQ's the game throws around, Banewolfs often go dead before getting their points done and devil dogs are only really usefull against tanks and tightly grouped TEQ such as fresh after deepstriking. And only if the scatterdice like you.
Also from a fluff perspective: a properly prepared IG battleline has no flanks to speak of. Just russes and Infantry left and right, an ever so slowly advancing tide of exposable bodies and cheap, effective steel.
Interestingly, Dark Eldar strike best when this is not the case and will be able to rape any incoming Hellhounds thanks to Darklances and Razorwings. In case one of those flametanks comes close enough though, he will wreck any of those edgelord space elves to the next galaxy and back again.
>>43876705
Going strictly by the old stats provided in outdated and often contradictory fluff, yes.
In reality, no. They are durable as all fuck, as they're made out of future-steel that is incredibly powerful. It's just that most people make use of weapons that are so powerful it makes them seem that way.it's also because british civvies have no clue how military tech works and have likely never seen a real gun in their lives
Also, >>43876358
>what is a Hellhound
>what is a Bane Wolf
>What is a Devil Dog
>>43876358
>New STC found under the Omnissiah's log bread toaster
>dead language matching gothic scripture but more passive agreessive
>Title: AMX ELC BIS
>Renamed and blessed by the machine spirits as Phoenix
>Weapon not found in log, replaced with auto cannon with new loading system.
Phoenix
Unit type:Scout Tank
AV:9-7-7
Wargear: AutoCannon quadicate, camo netting, smoke launchers, vox box
Special rules:
>High output engine: Unit moves 12 inches per turn and may give up its shooting attack for an additional 4d6 move.
>Low profile: Given the nature of the vehicle, when moving full out the tank is considered hard to hit and all units fire snap shots at it.
>Recon: This unit can spot enemy locations and relay them to any unit with a vox system. This unit may gain one bonus against the enemy unit:
No where to hide: Unit gains ignores cover
No where to run: Units gain move through cover and can move an additional d6.
>Quadicate: This weapon fires 4 shots at its normal values but cannot fire the next turn.
>Blend: If the vehicle has not moved the turn before or fired any weapons, enemies must roll 3d6 against their leadership in order to target the model unless the enemy ignores line of sight and cover.
>>43876358
>why doesn't the imperial guard use light tanks?
But they do.
>>43876831
>9-7-7
That is worse than Grot Tanks, anon.
>>43876914
But its okay, it goes faster without even being red
>>43876358
> What are chimeras
> Bane wolf
> hell hound
> Chem dog
> literally anything else on a Chimera chassis
> leman russ conquerors
>forgeworld Chimera autocannon turrets
>>43876831
>AV:9-7-7
>>High output engine: Unit moves 12 inches per turn and may give up its shooting attack for an additional 4d6 move.
>>Low profile: Given the nature of the vehicle, when moving full out the tank is considered hard to hit and all units fire snap shots at it.
That's not a light tank, that's an F1 car.
>light tanks
dude, the allies figured out light tanks sucked dick back in WW2
no one does light tanks anymore. Even "Infantry Fighting Vehicles" are still armed to the teeth with guns (or usually rockets) that can threaten heavy armor
having non transport tanks with dinky 37mm guns is dumb
>>43877023
Those are medium tanks, actually. The chimera frame is too big to fit standards of a light tank. Salamander is the closest thing we have to a "light tank"
>>43877023
>APC pretty much the same size as a Russ
>specialised asault vehicle pretty much the same size as a Russ
>specialised asault vehicle pretty much the same size as a Russ
>specialised asault vehicle pretty much the same size as a Russ
>SPGs, command vehicles and that one recovery vehicle
>a heavy tank
>still an APC pretty much the same size as a Russ
There are no light tanks. They'd be difficult to implement too because Sentinels already fill that exact niche.
>>43877093
Us still was developing light tanks until the mid of cold war and russia had some made in 2006ish
>>43877093
>no one does light tanks anymore
>>43877034
It only moves up to 36 inches per turn. Only almost matches supersonic aircraft speeds
I can't think of any light tanks, they kind of filled in that role with Sentinels and the like. Other than the zillion Russ variants most vehicles in the guard are self propelled guns and IFVs.
I guess an argument could be made for the Predator, because it's not a full tank and doesn't carry any passengers. Of course a "light tank" by space marine standards is well above the standard we're stalking about.
>>43877204
That thing's pretty cute.
>>43877234
Sentinels aren't light tanks. They are more of the centurion equal. Cheap platform to keep your big guns moving and firing and escort for your infantry.
>>43877339
>Sentinels aren't light tanks.
>lightly armoured
>incredibly mobile
>used primarily for recon
>in battle they move fast and hit the enemy where they're weakest
>comes in a more durable flavour with bigger guns for mobile fire support duty
How are they like the big, fat, and slow Centurions in any way, shape or form?
>>43876681
>a tractor with a gun turret
T-34
>>43876358
I would think the same reason Light tanks like the M3 Stuart and its descendant the Chaffee were left behind in favor of the MBT; man portable weapons systems became so good as to outmode them. The only advantage you would get out of a light tank after it becomes useless as a fighting vehicle is that its fast, and MBTs are already fast enough.
I mean, they don't have any staying power on the battlefield anymore. That, and lighter armored vehicles that pack the same punch as a light tank are now APCs, which serve the dual purpose of being able to carry a fireteam relatively safely into battle.
I would argue a Chimera could take the place of a light tank on the battlefield of the 41st millenia very easily.
>>43876358
>why doesn't the imperial guard use light tanks?
Baneblades are light tanks.
>>43877456
A tractor can't be that bad to drive, can it?
>>43877449
Except they are primarily platoon escorts to provide a mobile gun platform. Also, centurions get MORE daka then sentinels
>>43877738
It's literally in the name. SCOUT Sentinels. Every single entry about them in a Guard codex I've ever read refers to their excellent reconnaissance capabilities.
>>43876358
>what are sentinels
I just want the Imperial Guard to start using a main battle tank that isn't fucking retarded looking.
>>43876793
>it's also because british civvies have no clue how military tech works and have likely never seen a real gun in their lives
Or possibly because the writers writing space ww1 didn't want their tanks to be that good. But that doesn't make 14 year olds cream their pants over the power fantasy.
>>43879849
Then go play Flames of War.
>>43876358
Because it's been about 38000 years before the light medium heavy classification for tanks went out of style and people just made MBTs and support vehicles.
Which is what the Leman Russ and Chimera chassis are.
>>43879939
but dont play anything thats not murikkka and naziland :^)
>>43879939
To early for main battle tanks. I thought the Imperium was supposed to be technologically advanced and capable of figuring out basic tactics and design. Why are they too stupid to figure out that sticking a gun port in the frontal armor weakens the one of most vital areas of the tank's armor?
Why bother? Just be the battlefield.
>>43879993
Because 40k operates on Rule of Cool and nothing else. Even their spaceships are fucking flying cathedrals which operate on late Age of Sail/Early Ironclad tactics.
If you want 'Generic Space MBT' go play literally any other sci-fi universe. We'll be over here enjoying our Char B1s knock-offs with lasercannons.
>>43876912
>>43880234
That is nowhere near the correct scale, or at least the most correct range of scales.
Titans are big, but they aren't kilometres high.
Pic related is better, though I think the artist is lowballing Imperator height wee bit. I'd say that's closer to a Warlord's height.
>>43877093
>no one does light tanks anymore
what is sweden doing with those light tanks?
what is USA doing with those light tanks?
what is the british doing with those light tanks?
what is the OTAN doing with those light tanks?
What is germans doing with those light tanks?
>>43880298
>Because 40k operates on Rule of Cool and nothing else.
Then why isn't it cool?
>>43880419
Wait, the US uses light tanks? I thought the classification was officially ended when the Sheridan went out of service.
>>43880419
>us
>light tanks
did you confuse the Bradley as a tank?
>>43880523
To be fair it does eat a lot of the tanks it goes up against alive.
>>43880419
Is that a light tank?
sorry that looks like an APC to me
so why build a modern light tank when you can build
1. an APC
2. a wheeled scout vehicle
3. an actual MBT or something bristling with guns (see russian "terminator")
>>43877034
Well it is an ELC.
>>43880607
There are reasons. They tend to be faster, have an easier time navigating jungle, and aren't as likely to sink into the mud, compared to main battle tanks. They can be more heavily armoured and armed than an APC at the same size. They also possess the advantages of a tracked vehicle.
>>43880419
>turret and tracks
>must be le tank XD
Your grammar is shit too.
>>43880419
>what is sweden doing with those light tanks?
The last light tank we had seems to be Strv74 (pic), retired in 1984. The Swedish armed forces haven't adopted the CV90-120 (yet?), nor has anyone else form what I can tell. The only tank of any weight we have at the moment is Strv122, aka Leopard 2S.
>>43880607
>sorry that looks like an APC to me
It's a light tank built on an APC chassis (CV90). No troop transport capacity, some extra armour, and a Ruag compact 120mm smoothbore.
>>43880671
A fucking Ford Focus would get 9-9-9.
>>43876358
The concept of the light tank was completely outdated by the concept of the IFV/APC, and the Imperial Guard has a really good one in the form of the Chimera.
>>43880931
Want.
>>43880931
>extra armor
>120mm smoothbore.
that doesnt sound light tanky at all
>>43879849
Im trying to unretard my imperial guard army. If I ever get my 3d prints working right I will try to cast them in resin and try to sell them on ebay. This was my most recent experiment. since I am using the turret for other things I am trying to make this leman russ into a thunderer/su152. It clearly still needs work but if all goes well I intend to mod my entire mechanized portion of my army, except for my sentinels I love my chicken walkers.
>>43876733
Damn it. Me too. Just going to mention VtM: Bloodlines and remind everyone here about it.
>>43876358
because anything that qualifies as "light" can be kicked over by a ork nob.
>>43880994
An armoured Limo still only gets 9-9-9.
>>43879878
I don't know why people think 40k is WWI
>>43883336
Because their only exposure to the ImpGuard has been through the memetastic Kreigers or Valhallans.
>>43883336
its because in the grimderp future all tanks are directly based on the British MK.IV WWI tank suspension.
>>43883336
The Imperial Guard is WW1.
Anyway, the accusation is bullshit. 40k came about at a time when guns weren't controlled heavily (you could get a shotgun certificate at a post office and that would get you anything smoothbore with a certain barrel length and firearm certificates were really easy to acquire and covered everything but machine guns, flamethrowers and explosives) and when the vast bulk of the 140,000 strong British Army was tied up in armored divisions in Germany. That's when all the iconic designs and shit were made.
Nowadays, maybe. But back in the day? No.
>>43883481
by the emperor I hate MK.IV suspension, I am currently trying to convert to double-bogie setup like the picture shown
>>43879993
>To early for main battle tanks.
They are coming out with a fictional World War III setting called Team Yankee, based on a mid-80's book by the same name about a Soviet invasion of Western Europe in 1985.
Glorious M1s, A-10s, T-72s, and Hinds in 15mm scale.
>>43876831
>units gain ignores cover
Read enough snowflake, your favorite shit isn't getting a buff
>>43883550
>airplanes
>15mm scale
nope nope nope
>>43883537
And this thing is sexy and with some skulls and bolters it would fit right in.
>>43883506
>The Imperial Guard is WW1.
SOME are WW1
SOME are Napoleonic
SOME are Conan the barbarian
SOME are operator black ops charlie bravo stay frosty defend burgertown
SOME are stuck in vietnam except vietnam is actually jurassic park
SOME....are heretics and must be cleansed
>>43883481
Wasn't really asking why people think the IG have WWI aesthetics, that I can see, but why people think that is the only way the IG fights.
Like another Anon said, it probably is due to being experienced to the Death Korps, who are also actually capable of fighting in different ways.
>>43883630
psssh please
more archaic! use T28's and Matildas instead
>>43883681
>SOME are operator black ops charlie bravo stay frosty defend burgertown
I like you.
>SOME are stuck in vietnam except vietnam is actually jurassic park
I love you.
>>43876358
For the same reason we don't use them in real life, they're useless.
>>43883506
The average artist in America today can't draw a decent gun, anon. If they can't even be bothered to check a reference why should expect GW to have gone out and done research?
It is actually bullshit though, because as the intro to the early IA books will show you, FW at the least is full of treadheads. Many of whom also worked for the main studio.
>>43883605
>>airplanes
>>15mm scale
>nope nope nope
1/144 strike aircraft.
1/100(15mm) helicopters.
>>43883555
Its not even real senpai, you can't buff it.
>>43883692
ok I see your point, I always thought the elysian drop troops were better and more common than keigers.
I wonder if a tankette would be useful against the enemies of the Imperium.
>>43885450
No. The kind of foes the Imperium is used to facing? Look, if the Italians tankette force got BTFO by Ethiopians with horses and long knives, no amount of chaos cultists in tankettes is going to beat the ImpGuard.
>>43880931
that sounds more like a tank destroyer
>>43877456
Don't you meanLeichttraktor?
>>43877110
That's complete and utter bullshit. APC chassis converted to fire a big gun are at BEST light tanks, never medium tanks. Yes, even the CV90120.
You know absolutely nothing.
>>43885518
Nope. Look at the M8 Buford. It's essentially the same thing, and it's undoubtedly a light tank.
>>43885518
Tank destroyers don't have complete turrets.
>>43886083
Anon, that's wrong. That's very wrong. Don't talk about things you don't know or understand.
>>43883885
FW's approach to explaining technical details is nice, even if I don't entirely understand it and can't tell if it's bullshit or not.
>>43886083
Depends on the TD.
Not all Tanks even have turrets, it is all based on design.
>>43886278
I would make the argument against that. They could be called casement tanks, but I believe that there is a significant enough difference between them and normal turreted tanks to warrant the distinction. Now, the Swedes called theirs MBTs, but their use of the vehicle would have been the same regardless of whether or not it had a turret.
>it is all based on design.
It is all based on ROLE.
The Main Battle Tank concept made obsolete every other kind of tank (heavy, light, medium). It simplified logistics and combines the best of the three. Any slow tank is a sitting duck against aviation, anti-tank weapons, faster MBT, infantry.
>>43886463
Almost. It didn't quite eliminate the light tank, which has carved out a niche for itself as being highly strategically mobile and cheaper.
>>43883681
>SOME are operator black ops charlie bravo stay frosty defend burgertown
Which ones would those be?
>>43886672
The Classified ones. Also Tanith
>>43886672
Praetorians. Bushmen of Serica. Valhallans. Mordians. Justus. Teutons.
>>43876358
Sounds like Sentinels
>>43877449
They're the equivalent of a jeep with a 50 cal, light gun, or atgm.
An IG light tank would probably be an upgunned chimera or a cut-down, slightly more armoured chimera.
>>43877110
>too big to fit standards of a light tank
Light tank is not a size or weight, it's a battlefield role.
>>43885515
what about halftracks then? give them "specialized" halftracks, like one that becomes a mobile medical station, one that becomes a comms truck, halftrack w/ anti-air, etc.?
>>43876681
Nigger the Leman russ is a tractor with a gun turret...
>>43886735
>Praetorians
I thought they were basically space Zulu with WWII tactics?
>>43884447
At least you wrote them right. Writing "Krieg" seems above you.
>>43887656
They are space zulu, there's nothing operator about them.
