RIP
>>43875902
What about the people who bought his modle?
>>43875922
They gave GW money and got F-ed in the A again.
>>43876434
>>43875922
Nothing changes Eldrad has been dead for years. Half the named Characters in the old Vampire Counts army book were also dead in the story.
>>43876513
Every single Warhammer Fantasy model is a dead character and you can still field them regardless.
>>43875922
C U C K E D
and no one is surprised
Real shame they didn't knock shadowsun off. Glorious leader going full damage control when his ace commander bites it would have been neat as heck, especially with a rebel commander coming back into the public eye.
>>43876594
Shadowsun's death would require a new character to be introduced as the head of the Fire Caste.
>>43875922
You can say the model on the field is a hologram.
>>43875902
Okay I've been away from the internet for a long while. What happened? I know someone is dead, but what exactly happened and where is this covered?
>>43876714
In Mont'ka Aun'va is RIPed, there is a pdf download on kickass
>>43876513
didnt they recton that though?
half the shit that occurred in the 13th black crusade never happened
also technically every necron character has been dead....
>>43876714
Tau kicked the shit out of the imperium during the Democales campaign. They wanted revenge so they sent the imperial guard, space marines and assassins after the Tau. Tau kicked the shit out of them again thanks to Commander Farsight arriving in the nick of time. But the assassins ninja'ed in and killed their space pope before the rest of the imperials ran off. Tau did damage control by using holigram stand ins for space pope for all their propaganda.
>>43876692
Or just say that he's a hero from the history of the Empire, like how you could use dead Hero characters in The End Times. I've always thought that the mere problem of being lore-dead shouldn't stop a character from being present, they're simply heroes from the maelstrom of time.
>>43877594
>Tau kicked the shit out of the imperium
Heh. Good one.
>>43879312
Well, they kinda did. Shame they consider Pyrrhic victories to be defeats, or they'd actually have something to crow about.
![Aun'Shi_et%C3%A9reo_tau_warhammer_40k_Wikihammer[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7RaJZVr.jpg "Aun'Shi_et%C3%A9reo_tau_warhammer_40k_Wikihammer[1].jpg")
>>43875902
Habemus Papam
>>43879312
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Battle_of_Mu'gulath_Bay
It was the Tau's first major victory over the Imperium. After this the IoM got it's act together and started hitting them with a combination of Pyrrhic victories and punishing defeats, which had the added bonus of causing severe assmads for shadowsun.
>>43876638
And that would be interesting. Actually shaking things up from a wargame perspective, instead of political leaders.
Bring in Shas'O Kais for the DoW babbies or some shit. They'd eat it up.
>>43876513
Eldrad has been retconned back to life.
Aun's rules will probably stay around though. GW only destroys the rules for characters whose models they're too lazy to make.
Shine on, Duke Sliscus.
meanwhile at forge world
>xeno victory
>xeno victory
>xeno victory
>another xeno victory
>oh hey look, axeno victory
>surprise! xeno victory
>oog guess what? xeno victory
>chaos loss but its only imperium Pyrrhic victory
>>43880495
You think Forgeworld will ever shake things up and have the Imperium beat someone other than chaos?I doubt it
>>43880937
Necron are in dire need of straight up defeat.
>>43877596
And who know, maybe Aun'va successor will take is popemobile in his memory.Aun'Shi reconverts it as an assault platform.
>>43881190
it was just a minor defeat, but in a map of ork conquest an ork warlord conquered a necron tomb world and looted all of their teleport technology. and Im pretty sure its post 5th edition
>>43880372
Or Aun'va will just get another Disciple popsicle out of storage, thaw em out and stick them in a Battlesuit declaring them the new champion of the Greater Good.
At least with Aun'va dead now the leadership will have to scramble for explanations why Orks are invading, and Aun'va's inspiring speech is simply repeating the same speech he gave last week about fighting the Imperium.
And why that isn't him flickering, that is just your eyes blinking really hard.
>>43880399
>GW only destroys the rules for characters whose models they're too lazy to make.
Or part of a history they'd like to forget. I still like to think that Kreullagh the Vile is alive somewhere being used as a very creepy Ordo Xenos Inquisitor's plaything.
>>43879312
>>43877594
So...does that mean the Imperium reclaimed any of the Third Sphere worlds, or did they just exterminatus'd the thing?
I ask because I can't download anything where I am right now.
>>43880399
>>43881385
or novel characters
they HATE novel characters. namely IG/AM ones.
>>43881385
All the Aun'va hologram really does is avoid the public outrage that would result from revealing he was killed in battle, and buy some time for them to settle on a replacement behind closed doors before shutting off the hologram and saying he died of old age at a more convenient time.
>>43881444
Good. They're pretty shit. 40k is all about absurdity and excess. On the other hand the BL novel authors get all "muh relateable everyday Joe" and write boring mundane characters that don't fit the setting.
In 40k, everyday Joes get ground into paste by the giant cogs of war, just like they should do.
>>43881580
I think a lot of the authors don't even get the full picture and that's why we get shit that doesn't match.
Like how End Times authors were given a few important tidbits on what was happening, and they had to fill the gaps, some of which went WAY off course.
>>43881423
the damocles gulf is now permanently on fire
so maybe
>>43881423
They lost more worlds because the only way they got a win was through an assassination.
They lost worlds, period. The Tau beat a "Serious" Campaign of the Imperium and it drives Imperialfags crazy now.
The Tau lost the entire planet and presumably the rest of the ones they colonized, their entire command structure is cut off from the rest of the Empire, space pope died, and their material losses were extreme.
The third expansion stalled, the Tau lost.
>>43881837
>B-But the Tau lost all their planets
HAHAHAHA Imperialfags. Every time. Every time a Xenos centred victory shows up, you cry and cry and cry.
>>43881875
I play Tau
>>43881727
>>43877594
>Taufags show up to run damage control
>Imperialfags are just laughing
I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Only Tau player I know has a spaz attack everytime he loses.
seems like everyone lost in terms of territory and military assets
>>43881837
>Exploding red blood
Wasn't Tau blood blue or did I miss another goddamn memo?
>>43881919
>Imperialfags are laughing.
Oh right, that's because every single Tau thread doesn't devolve into "b-But the Imperium would crush them if they had a REAL Crusade!"
Stop pretending, Imperialfags are the cancerous shits in a cancerous fanbase.
>>43881966
Quite simply the truth is the Tau gained one or two worlds at the most while the rest are embroiled in a bloody stalemate with a vast amount of the Imperiums forces spent. It's a situation that's showed that the Tau are a deadly threat but easily prone to overextending.
>>43882021
>vast amount
>Kek to the top
>>43882021
No, it's always
>Muh crusade!
>Muh Greater Good!
Both you fags bitch at each other, calling each other the cancer, never realizing that together, you are one. You are both a single entity. A giant ass target for the Orkz!
>>43882021
the only victory is that both sides managed to snake important tech from each other
>>43881991
GW isn't too good at remembering these things.
>>43882021
>Tau gained one or two worlds at the most
That's the equivalent of some kid saying 'I let you win!'
Face it. Tau thought they were curbstomping the Imperium until they realized that when the Imperials give more than a passing glance their way they are proper fucked.
>>43881919
>>Imperialfags are just laughing
I play imperial and even I can say the last threads were an imperial tears drainage basin.
They didn't even knew if they were mad at the Tau plot armour because they beat a whole crusade or in denial saying "it wasn't even a real crusade".
>>43882068
>implying the Eldar won't outlast all of you pathetic mon'keigh by a thousand generations
You are almost funny, puny ork.
>>43882060
>Whole crusade burned and forced into a grinding stalemate with many Baneblades and Knights lost.
>B-But my infinite resources Imperium.
And then you Imperialfags forget Baneblades are not mass produced and Knights are almost irreplacable as whole units and fucks everything over.
>>43882068
I'm not even a Tau player, I'm a Necron player because muh 1950ies Sci-fi shit, I just find Imperialfags the most insufferable mongoloids in this fanbase.
See? Look at this moron >>43882110
The Tau actually stop a proper Full on Imperial Crusade AND a retaliation crusade to a stalemate and he thinks it's slightly more than "A passing glance"
They're fucking pathetic.
>>43881966
This. The Imperium lost face and a couple of planets; it wanted that world back and had to give up. Oh, and a bunch of Guardsmen. But they die in droves just trying to build fortifications even without Chenkov using them for mortar. So that doesn't really count. The Tau lost their leader and everything on the surface of Agrellan. The planned crown jewel of the Third Sphere Expansion is now on the far side of Death World classification. And, most importantly, the entire Damocles Gulf is somehow on fire. The Third Sphere Expansion is over. Both sides lost per their own doctrine.
But there is one group who didn't lose. The AdMech stole a bunch of Tau tech, got to see their new toy in action, and lost only Skitarii. Flawless Mechanicus victory. Ave Omnissiah.
>>43882142
And the Tau stole Imperial tech.
Nice work, it was a bloody stalemate and all we get out of it is whining Imperialfags.
>>43882142
>AdMech using xenos tech heresy
Purge this heathen.
>>43882187
Oh, they don't use it. They just want to have it.
>>43882121
I actually threw up in my mouth a little, congrats, you sickened me with how wrong your opinion is.
>>43882183
>And the Tau stole Imperial tech.
The same shit they stole in the Medusa campaign, the same tech that freaked them the fuck out and they just said 'Fuck this we'll make our own Warp Drive with Blackjack and Hookers!'
>>43882121
Ya got gutz panzee! An' dey're gettin' all over da place!
>>43880937
it hurts
I get the imperium has the mass and fanbase to tank those losses, but it still hurts.
Holy crap this thread went from Tau eulogy to Imp v. Tau shitstorm real fast! And now you assholes attracted orkz! I hope your happy!
>>43880937
Maybe the Tau will lose in the next IA bookPlease let me read about Warlods stomping shit.
>>43882183
>And the Tau stole Imperial tech
And? Is that their only reason to exist? Will the mere fact that they have a Baneblade barrel warm them through the centuries? That's not a win until the Tau do something with the tech. The AdMech merely needs to run off with a Tau photocopier, and they're set for the next decade or so.
>>43882187
More like the magos actually see the big picture which is power and don't give a fuck because knowledge - whatever the origin - is the power.
Everything else is just a sideshow, including doctrine.
>>43882310
Why would there be a eulogy, Aun'va got out without a scratch.
>>43882134
>Third Sphere stopped
>Imperium finally gets a new exterminatus toy
>Tau stop being so damn smug now
>Tau leader dead, ironically in an Imperial building(because muh symbolism)
Yeah I'm happy. I don't care if I'm a cancer or not, something finally happened in the canon besides
>Imperials lose a thousand worlds
>Nothing of value was lost
>>43882187
Should be pretty damn obvious they don't use stolen tech, they take it apart, figure out how it runs, write up some plans to improve their own weaponry, then forget to share it with the Imperium until the next millennia when the next Arch Magos finds the note to share new tech taped to his bum.
>>43882383
>>43882343
>Imperialfags so buttblasted he needs to find and scrape every single good side out of a bitter stalemate and downplay everything the Tau got.
Jesus christ, AGAIN and AGAIN you people just cannot accept the Imperium losing.
No opinions here, only fact. Imperial guard kicked the Tau's ass pretty hard. Even with the losses they had, they made great headway that the space marines couldn't do.
>>43882434
Win? Lose? I don't care! Something actually happened!
The fact that someone else got to bite the bullet with us for once is just a happy bonus.
>>43882450
I got annoyed at how the Guard were written, were Chimeras even mentioned in the book, they had guardsman walking across deserts
>>43882434
You are the one encouraging him dumbass
>>43882455
>S-Something happened
>But not a total loss like Damocles or I would cry.
Why are you people so pathetic?
>>43882462
>Guard are morons that walk into blatant traps.
Jesus, are you new or something?
>>43882200
>the human brain is so simple that it forces a gag reflex on the body when it cannot conceive such simple truths
Utterly fascinating.
>>43882271
Unfortunately, number's don't exactly mean much when your entire race is made up of Terran apes throwing sticks at eachother.
>>43882462
They were there, abit kinda infered more then anything.
>>43882529
Colonel Spetznaz was a cool guy, too bad he bought it.
>>43882434
Your ongoing failure to grasp that I'm just having a chuckle regarding the AdMech's strategic aims (though the AdMech and Tau philosophies are described that way in the book) suggests that you take this game entirely too seriously. Honestly, does my commentary read like that of someone who thinks this matters?
>>43882450
Must have missed that, I was reading the book pretty late. But it seemed like the Guard's gains were down to having more bodies than the Tau had ammunition. Admittedly no small feat against an enemy with energy weapons.
>>43882494
And again wif da talkin. Maybe if ya spent more time fightin' ya wouldn't die so fast!
>>43882480
Because after End Time, 40k is the last thing I care about but nothing ever happens! I want the story to move forward instead of being forever locked in that middle zone of
>End of all things is here
>Hang on, it's coming.
>Just gotta find the keys first.
>Shit...hang on I'll be there and things are so gonna end when I do!
>>43882542
How come you don't add the part where the storm surge dies moments later and the obsidian knight appears?
Welp, ITT:
>Tau- Butt blasted over the third expansion ending as a failure, with space pope lying dead afterwords.
>Imperials- Ass Angered over losing a bunch of shit, then just up and leaving rather than having an absolute stomp.
In other words, two massive low functioning retards having an "My dad could beat your dad" conversation with what little speech that they can muster.
>>43882590
You do realize that we are talking over a primitive human communication system, and not over your dying corpse? I'm surprised your device is still functioning.
>>43882697
The dead corpse of our emperor could beat the deading shit out of Aun'vary dead corp'se
Go make a quest thread you two.
>Gork and Mork and the journey to sex piston valley
>>43882728
>"primitive" humans still own a million planets despite ten thousand years of decline
>"advanced" eldar are reduced to a minuscule handful of craftworlds that continue to get blown the fuck up
>>43882770
M-m-muh space elves
>>43882021
40k IS a cancerous shit fanbase in the Warhammer community.
They're the furries of tabletop gaming. To the point even the actual furries can't stand them.
>>43882770
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! FACTS, THE SPACE ELVES' ONE WEAKNESS!
>>43882697
Exactly. It's like cheering for sports teams, only we can conclusively blame a single party when our team doesn't win.
>>43882770
>implying the imperium can stand a few thousand more
>implyingI'm not doing this on purpose
>>43882728
Wot wuz dat? Kan't 'ear ya over da sound o' me winnin' again!
>>43882782
Reminder that real elves knocked Slaanesh out of the Great Game so hard they had to put a rat on a stool to fill the group photo, while the space elves can't even defeat humans without taking lasting damage.
>>43882630
>shoal of hammerheads
that's cute wording
shame their writing is pretty dire most of the time
>>43881444
They like Gaunt at least and I wouldn't say it's so much that they hate novel characters as not many novel characters probably stand out. Doesn't help that a lot of armies are pretty well stocked as far as special characters go.
>>43882093
Just as likely they couldn't be bothered to have the artist change it.
>>43882187
Some in the Mechanicus see nothing wrong with xenos technology.
>>43882829
That has always been the issue with GW. For every Abnett and Dembski-Bowden we get two dozen Gotos, Thorpes, and Counters.
>>43882907
abnett and ADB aren't exactly paragons of literature
>>43882922
No but compared the the usual dregs making warhammer fluff they are actually great.
>>43882922
No, but for a franchise designed to sell plastic army men to children and manchildren they do a pretty good job.
As a Blood Angel fan, I for one is very glad that my favorite chapter wasn't apart of this nonsense. Am I disappointed the results of this new stuff? A little but I'll get over it. As your Tau waifu dies when you're 40 my boy Dante will still look like he's 25. When he's drinking your Tau waifu's blood he'll still look like he's 25. When Shadowsun finally dies he'll still look like he's 25.
>>43882630
Because the part about the stormsurge being the Tau's largest mobile weapon is factually incorrect unless you were to disregard forgeworld's models, which GW does do for some fucking reason.
>>43875902
AND TEARapparently
>>43882728
That ork looking up man
>iz dat malnurrished 'oomie really gonna try to klobber ME wif dat stikk as thick as my little finga?
>>43883802
That's such a neat idea. A mega armor upgrade that puts a grot with a gat on top to take snap shots at the closest target every turn.
>>43882341
HOLY SHIT that looks fucking awesome.
Too bad it means my orks are going to have to wait EVEN LONGER for forgeworld to pull them out of shit tier with an IA 8 remake.
>>43884797
There's nothing saying that FW is even working on another IA book.
Only books coming from them that have at least some credibility are HH books 6 and 7 and an HH Masterclass book.
>>43882728
I come to relax on the binaries and you Eldar faggots come to be jerks to everyone. I hope "Slannesh" rapes all of your kind to death by the end of the millennia.
>>43876434
We are over 18 here, you can swear as much as you want.
>>43881757
>the end was niether swift nor merciful
lol, so this culexus just sat their playing with his target until he finally keeled over?
I do want to point out that Space Pope and his guard have a 1+ invuln save against the culexus's shooty attack.
>>43886260
Because the world needed another 3+ vs. 3+ book.
The no man's land is likely to prevent another Imperial invasion in the foreseeable future. The Tau will need some years/decades before they can completely ignore the effects of the firewall and fully reestablish contact with the three isolated Septs. In the meantime this gives them time to research FTL technologies.
The most immediate concern are the coming Tyranid invasion that it is likely to wipe out the Farsight Enclaves and fulfil the prophecy at last. The eight are likely to die and this will cause Farsight to achieve apotheosis.
>>43883182
Tau live to be 60
Dante is mostly robot nowadays
Tau blood is disgusting
Shadowsun's already 300+ years oldI don't even play Tau
>>43881757
Wouldn't the Tau not even be effected by a Pariah?
I thought those guys worked off of how psychically powerful you were and even then some characters are able to withstand it.
>>43886418
everything alive has a natural fear of pariahs
culexus assassins have that, ramped up to forty thousand
tau are not a race of blanks
>>43886418
The Pariah gene seems to cause fear and such in all beings (And the Animus Speculum can apparently amplify the effects), it's just psykers suffer more than others.
The Culexus seems to just have allowed the fear to become overwhelming until Aun'va was driven into a corner with no escape.
>>43886341
>Life Drain: Armour saves cannot be taken against Wounds inflicted by a Culexus
Assassin’s close combat attacks. Any close combat attack inflicted by a Culexus Assassin
that rolls a 6 To Wound has the Instant Death special rule. Any close combat attack
inflicted by a Culexus Assassin that is allocated to a Psyker has the Instant Death special
rule.
The Culexus does not give a fuck, he pokes fish pope, fish pope dies.
>>43881385
>I still like to think that Kreullagh the Vile is alive somewhere being used as a very creepy Ordo Xenos Inquisitor's plaything.
>implying any mon-keigh could make a plaything of THE EMASCULATOR
>>43881757
BASED
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>>43882697
How is their Third Shpere expansion a failure? Are you retard? The Imperium nuked one world and set a uninhabitable region of space on fire.
The rest of the TSE worlds and colonies are okay albeit temporarily cut off from the Empire. The Tau are still in the positive.
>>43887063
The planets on that zone were habitable and rich on resources, now they are completely cut off from the tau and all previous routes the tau had through the Damocles gulf disappeared due the burning phenomenon with no information how long will it last.
I wouldn't say that the third sphere expansion failed, but we can't deny this is a major set back to the tau.
>>43879312
I actually voted for vermin supreme, I got to talk to him and he gave me a tube of toothpaste
>>43887165
The event isolated the rich TSE septs from the Tau Empire. However, The Tau expedition and the Farsight Enclave forces are on the other side with them so they can still be defended. The Tau are working on ways to traverse the flaming gulf and had success somewhat.
It's a setback, yes, that it cannot be denied that the Tau will get over it. In summation of all that happened to the Tau, They lost one planet (though an important one) and got a major obstacle throw in their way. The Third Sphere Expansion will continue on but a snail's pace currently.
>>43887206
Can't they expand towards the territory beyond Kroot, the Silent zone, the area of the Red Suns (Orks) while doing raids to steal FTL and other from the Admech?
>>43887206
but it cannot*
>>43887220
Lets see now.
Beyond the Silent Zone and Kroot is the emptiness of the void between galaxies, I think. Red Sun System is close to the Damocles Gulf and it has a big Ork presence that the Tau do not want to set off.
It's up to the Tau beyond the gulf to steal any technology they can find. Communication across the gulf still works fine so they can send their finding if they discover anything.
>>43887261
More maps.
Did anyone ever actually use him on table
The Ethereal powers just don't seem that great for me to want to pay extra points to use two of them from one bluie
>>43876513
Eldrad's death been retconned since the 5th edition, which was when they stopped trying to make the 13th Black Crusade campaign ending canonical and just rolled the timeline back so it ends just as Abaddon is launching the crusade.
WHFB had a lot of "historical" characters, though. Almost every Ork and Goblin special character was some warboss that ahd led some big waagh! against the Empire and gotten killed. 40k has had a few as well, like Lord Solar Macharius having rules, and Lysander originally being dead before they retconned it into him escaping from an Iron Warriors daemon world naked and unarmed.
>>43881190
The ultramarines have come to save the day once again
>>43882121
I hear you Eldar talking sit.
Let me rectify that, vermin.
>>43882922
Nothing is bad in a subjective medium
>>43887261
They can take the longer routes to get into the Imperium. Damocles Gulf was just the shortest one.
>>43880937
>>43882274
That's cause most IA books are intented to showcase or update the models and rules for whatever race the book is about (Aphelion was Nids, Taros Tau, Mymera Eldar etc.), and the Imperium is there just so the race the book is about has something to fight against in the narrative (since the fluff for all IA books are written as sort of in-universe point of view, they kind of need the Imperium to be involved somehow so they can write from their point of view).
>>43881837
It was pretty much a loss or pyrrhic victory for everybody. Nobody really succeeded in their primary goal, or at least didn't succeed very well.
Imperium's goal was to drive the Tau off the Agrellan system in particular and from Imperial space in general, and if possible destroy them completely. They failed to do that and lost a large amount of forces, including a Chapter Master of a 1st founding Chapter, making them unalikely to mount another crusade against the Tau for a while.
Meanwhile the Tau repelled the Imperial crusade and technically held Agrellan, but aside from the capital city the whole planet is now covered in fire and kind of useless (although the true value of Agrellan for Tau was never the planet itself, but the fact that the system's location made it strategically very important), and their third sphere colonies and the expansion force are cut off from rest of the Empire untill the Earth Caste perfects the shields that let ships cross the Damocles Firestorm safely, putting their expansion on hold.
The end result of the conflict kind of sucked for both sides.
>>43887457
Tycho is dead
>>43887546
What Chapter Master died?
>>43881837
>presumably the rest of the ones they colonized
You pulled that one out of your butt.
>their entire command structure is cut off from the rest of the Empire
Only physical and temporarily. Communication through the gulf is still possible
>>43887619
The one from Raven Guard got trolled by Shadowsun and vaporized. Shrike is now the new Chapter Master.
>>43887627
Did we even know the name of that guy? It's one of those infamous 'there is a chapter master but the captain is more important' things
>>43887625
physically*
>>43887643
Corvin Severax, or something. Not sure about hsi first name. I think he might have been mentioned by name before in some IA article or something, but I don't think he's ever had more fluff than "RG chapter master, much stealth, so mysterious". Kayvaan Shrike has alwasy been the "face" of RG, and is now their chapter master. I wonder if they'll update his rules to give him the extra attack and orbital bombardment in the next marine codex.
>>43887457
Strictly speaking, the 4th edition Eldar codex which acknowledged Eldrad's death was still in use until 6th. But you're right, the only thing 5E fluff really kept from EoT was the 13th Black Crusade itself. Though 6E actually brought some bits back despite completely dropping any mention of Eldrad's Blackstone incident.
>>43887554
I was thinking of him too. Is he the only historical character in 40k that still has rules? Well, aside from Aun'Va now, obviously.
>>43887643
>>43887697
Yeah, Corvin Severax, because GW is oh so clever. As far as I know, he wasn't ever named until the original War Zone Damocles; before then, he only existed in the sense that the Raven Guard were a Space Marine Chapter and thus had a Chapter Master.
>firewall
>in space
Can't they just go over it?
>>43887742
Its not a wall, the whole gulf is on fire
>>43875922
>What about the people who bought his modle?
Not every battle has to take place 999 M41 23:59, you can play games that take place when he was alive.
You might as well ask people how they can play Horus Heresy games when Horus has been dead for ten thousand years.
>>43875902
I must be misremembering it but I could've sworn that Kauyon mentioned that Sisters are part of the retribution force but I see no mention of them in Montka ?
Also, is there a list of the elements of Chapters other than White Scars and Raven Guard that took part in the battles or is there none so that players can use their Chapters ?
I'm fairly sure the ones that lost here were the knight familys.
They lost a shit load of familys and knights of various classes, and unlike the tau or straight up admech they can replenish that shit easily. The Imperum also probably lost a few century's worth of baneblades and other not easily replaceable shit.
Thats the thing about the Tau, they do recover quickly, Their factorys are still going to be pumping out crisis suits and riptides like nobodys business, and by the time the Imperium can muster another significant force to attack them their tech will have again improved a good deal, and god only knows what they will have next time especially since their head was assassinated by something they have never really had to deal with before, so they are obviously going to have developed some sort of countermeasures for that.
>>43887739
Corvin Severax has been mentioned in a few Raven Guard audiobooks, you get to follow his squad through the eyes of a Librarian as the go from scouts to becoming leaders of the chapter.
>>43887781
Only in a local sense. The size of the imperium means that they can redeploy other Baneblades and the like from elsewhere.
The knights are pretty fucked though.
Hell, if the 40k RPG's are canon they could literally just transport stuff from the Bastion Stars through the Achillius Warpgate and attack the Tau Septs from below.
>>43887758
Yeah, okay, but the gulf doesn't extend forever in all directions. I'm pretty sure that whole part of the galactic plane cannot be on fire.
>>43887809
It probably extends far enough to make the Tau's method of travel close to impossible, either due to risk of fiery murder, or the impractical length of time it would take to get around the wall.
>>43887761
Sisters got forgotten for better factions,again.
Sorry sisters this isn't the plastic models you were looking for.
>>43877594
>Tau kicked the shit out of the imperium during the Democales campaign.
They put up more resistance than expected and managed to turn the campaign into a slow trudge, but they were ultimately getting destroyed until the Imperium were forced to retreat by the Tyranid invasion.
>>43881385
>At least with Aun'va dead now the leadership will have to scramble for explanations why Orks are invading, and Aun'va's inspiring speech is simply repeating the same speech he gave last week about fighting the Imperium.
Yea, thats not how Tau AI works. He may as well still be alive
>>43887787
Before or after the 2013/2014* War Zone?
* I remember it was released in 2014, though the book itself says 2013 which I assume would be when it was completed since these things are worked on well in advance.
>>43882142
>>43882183
>>43882187
>>43882197
>>43882208
>>43882274
Alirght can we just agree both sides fucked shit up messed up a bunch of valuable worlds a fuck ton of tau and humans are dead and both sides got their hands on each others tech
>>43882434
yeah the imperium lost doesn't mean the tau won
Man, some of the art in this book is fucking abysmal.
>>43887904
They're both from 2015, the audiobooks Loss and Alone.
>>43886509
Nothing in that paragraph affects Space Pope
>>43887807
Redeploy is the key word here, they cant easly mass produce baneblades and a crusade to kill the Tau arent going to get dibs on any new ones and its going to take forever for them to circulate back twoards that part of space unless there is another serious nid attack, ork shitstorm, or chaos somehow get a fleet to pop up over there.
Baneblades are sorta shitty vs tau anyway since they seem to accel at slaughtering imperium armor in literal droves
I never liked the pope. Why can't we get a Space Mao or Uncle Stalin?
>>43887063
>>43887165
>>43887206
I'm not sure if it can be called a failure but it definatly seems to be over while the tau regroup build up the forces and develop FTL to deal with the firewall
>>43886376
The perspective on this picture bothers me so much.
>Fuckhueg Ethereals
>Toy crisis suits
>Manlet Farsight
>>43887742
>>>43880937>>43882274That's cause most IA books are intented to showcase or update the models and rules for whatever race the book is about (Aphelion was Nids, Taros Tau, Mymera Eldar etc.), and the Imperium is there just so the race the book is about has something to fight against in the narrative (since the fluff for all IA books are written as sort of in-universe point of view, they kind of need the Imperium to be involved somehow so they can write from their point of view). >>43881837It was pretty much a loss or pyrrhic victory for everybody. Nobody really succeeded in their primary goal, or at least didn't succeed very well.Imperium's goal was to drive the Tau off the Agrellan system in particular and from Imperial space in general, and if possible destroy them completely. They failed to do that and lost a large amount of forces, including a Chapter Master of a 1st founding Chapter, making them unalikely to mount another crusade against the Tau for a while.Meanwhile the Tau repelled the Imperial crusade and technically held Agrellan, but aside from the capital city the whole planet is now covered in fire and kind of useless (although the true value of Agrellan for Tau was never the planet itself, but the fact that the system's location made it strategically very important), and their third sphere colonies and the expansion force are cut off from rest of the Empire untill the Earth Caste perfects the shields that let ships cross the Damocles Firestorm safely, putting their expansion on hold.The end result of the conflict kind of sucked for both sides.
Go over what? Fire can't burn in space, so this whole thing is laughable in the first place.
Just disregard it. It's 40k, shit doesn't make sense, and never will. The fire prevents space travel because 40k.
>>43876434
Tycho has been dead for years.
>>43888017
>Fire can't burn in space
It's a fucking plasma wall, dingus.
>>43879607
Ya know?
Aun'Shi as the head of the Ethereal Caste would rock hard. Even so far as that he'll probably change this and that about the case itself.
holy shit the autism in this thread.
>>43888039
>Plasma wall
Riiight, gasmolecules totally stay in the exact same spot IN SPACE, an area that is constanly in motion.
It would never have the ability to stick around long enough to make any kind of difference to the progression of the Damocles Crusade.
Shit doesn't make sense, and it doesn't have to. It's 40k. Stop trying to justify it with armchair science.
>>43887807
Achilleus Warpgate is the one in Deathwatch, right? That's the only of the RPGs I can think of that features a warp gate and also Tau. In that case it wouldn't be very useful for attacking the Tau directly, though, as the Tau in the Jericho Reach are actually pretty far from the rest of the Empire (they launched the invasion there as a trial run to see if they can use other methods of expansion than their standard concentric spheres of expansion. unfortuntaely for the the Imperium also found a way back to the area around the same time), and more importantly because there's the Black Reef, an area of space with really bad warp travel conditions that's virtually unpassable for Imperial ships in the way (the Tau got past it because their ships just barely skim on the warp for short periods of time, and are thus unaffected by phenomena occurring "deeper" in the warp).
It would makes more sense if the firewall is a warp-based phenomenon. This would also explain why the Imperium has not used this thing vs Abaddon.
>>43888116
maybe there's some warp shenanigans involved?
>>43886418
The Tau have minuscule warp presence, so being close to a Pariah would be LESS disturbing and frightening for them than a human.
But they would be disturbed and frightened.
Animus Speculum amplifies it enough to make it a weapon. This would hurt the Tau.
The Tau has also extra weakness to Culexus;
They don't usually believe this soul, warp, daemon mumbo jumbo because they can't see or feel it. Encountering Culexus Assassin would be absolutely horrifying to the Tau, because they wouldn't understand what the fuck is happening.
You close your eyes and still can see it
You shut your ears and still can hear it
It can't be filtered with optics or neglected with armor.
It's fear and disgust come flesh, unnatural thing that walks, looks and talks like human, but are less alive than a Gun Drone.
Pure horror.
>>43880399
>Eldrad has been retconned back to life.
What? When? Where?
How did I miss that?
>>43882341
>Titans
>Against Tau
That's a bad Idea. Killing single high value Targets is what Tau do best.
>>43888303
So, basically the Imperium should just sit back and let the Orks and Nids deal with the Tau?
>>43888331
Lots of IG in Carapace armor alongside Hydras and wastefull amounts of long range Artillery support (well dug in) would be my go to anti Tau army if I was in charge of a crusade.
>>43888263
Since the events of the old Eye of Terror campaign were retconned. Descriptions of fluff in the 6th and 7th edition Rulebooks, along with the Black Legion supplement, describe Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade occurring in a different manner to the events of the old worldwide campaign. It's like the Fantasy Storm of Chaos campaign - GW didn't issue a big, loud "we're scrubbing this and rewriting it, guys" announcement. They just started quietly over-writing it here and there until there were no remaining references to the original events.
>>43888331
>Lure Tau to the Octarius Sector
>Tyranids eat every single Tau, become more intelligent and get better weapons and stuff
>Tyranids now chomp up the Orks
>Tyranids somehow get orkish psychic powers too
>Tyranaurk Masterrace comes to existence
>Good job, Kryptman
I for one, welcome our new insectoid overlords
>>43888412
>Weeaboo ork bugs
plz no
>>43881385
>Or characters that they don't care for
You are missed Sergeant Bastonne.
>>43888472
Drawfags! You know what to do...
>>43888116
>what is a nebula
>>43882142
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>>43887739
This guy is dead as well, coughed up his lungs on some death world.
>>43888472
>>43888487
Don't be delusional, these would be just regular Tyranids, with a little more beef and plasma-proof carapace.
Ok that sounds horrifying.
>>43881837
Imperium literally bombed and genocided half their own forces into oblivion and forced to retreat the whole sector and engluf it in Plasma
>BUH BUH BUH U SMELLY TAU FAGS DIDN'T GET THE PLANET HEHEHEHE :^)
Imperium literally getting desperate with this phyrric victories now
The imperium got into a fight with a non-completely insane race that uses actual tactics and practical weapons and their smoke censors and powerfists approach went about as you'd expect.
the tau got into a fight with a society 40,000 years older than theirs and 100,000 times their size and their lack of unutterably ancient doomsday weapons from a lost age went about as well as you'd expect.
In the end, billions died, everyone went home salty, and nothing of consequence changed.
>>43887997
>who was Goge Vandire
>>43887063
The Third Sphere is completely cut off from the rest of the Tau Empire. The Tau military has been torn apart, and the entire Damocles Gulf is gone.
>>43889681
>Imperium literally bombed and genocided half their own forces into oblivion and forced to retreat the whole sector and engulf it in Plasma
Desperate? That's a textbook Imperium victory. Millions of casualties, and the only thing to show for it is dragging their opponent down to their level. It's a doctrinal thing. The Tau call it victory when they get something to justify the casualties. The Imperium can just flip the table and not let anyone have anything, and because Bjorn is the only one in the Imperium who's ever experienced a non-Pyrrhic victory, no-one knows the difference.
Oh, and because some people can't tell, I am not "desperately trying to deny the Tau won." I am commenting on the perspectives in universe. You can't see it, but I can barely keep a straight face typing this stuff.
>>43889932
Not completely cut off. Ships can't travel though but information can. And it apparently only took days for the earth caste to put to together a design for shields that let ships pass through. The prototype still has a high failure rate, but given how quickly they managed to create one it probably won't take them long to make a fully functioning version. It's pretty much an excuse to keep the status quo, because the third sphere expansion is now on hold untill the timeline moves forward, which it never does.
>>43887988
Pretty sure Fish Pope isn't immune to close combat attacks.
>>43889937
>Bjorn is the only one who experienced a non phyrric victory
Image Bjorn hearing the news.
"Bjorn we totally smashed those Tau!"
"HOW SO?"
"We you see first we......"
"And to top it all off we sacrificed 50% of our forces and set their sector on fire with plasma!"
"THEY FUCKING WHAT."
>>43889937
I'd like to see the reaction of the High Lords of Terra on this.
"My Lords, reports from the campaign against the Tau are incoming!"
"Literally, who?"
"The Tau! Blue-skinned xenos who actually know how to build stuff properly and without machine spirits and holy rites for every light switch! They are resisting our crusade and are dealing quite some damage to our fleets, regiments and even the mighty Space Marines!"
"Hm, new technology, that sounds interesting indeed...anything about the Adeptus Mechanicus, have they recovered some technology to stu-cleanse from the xeno filth?"
"Yes my Lord, they recovered some things and went off the planet because of some rather untimely warp shenanigans"
"Alright, bomb the living shit out of these Tau. The whole sector, actually."
"But my Lord! Millions of honourable men are still there, trapped on the planet! Fighting in the Emperors Name! His mighty warmachines are still there, destroying the xeno menace! You can't just...kill all these servants of the Emperor!"
>*BLAM* HERESY suddencommissarissudden.spacejpg
"Servant445654523765, clean this mess up and make the astropath send the following, precise order: Blow the living shit out of the sector!""
>>43881757
>Ethereal Supreme
Yes, and a side of Heresy Fries and a Slaaneshi Slurp, please.
>>43889075
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>>43887457
>40k has had a few as well, like Lord Solar Macharius having rules
Back when we had more than 2 special characters literally every single one of them was dead.
St Celestine got better but the others didn't.
Defender of the Faith: Dead from old age after a long life spreading the word of the Emperor
St Paraxes: Dead via Hive Tyrant
Head of all the SOB: Vanished into the warp, missing for decades.
>>43882142
New toy? What new toy did the admech make from Tau shit?
>>43891972
The Worldfire missile, not Tau tech. Described as a "gift from Mars" before Hawke fired it. Probably not "new" to them, but we've never seen it before.
>>43887171
Did you use the toothpaste? This is important.
>>43891947
>got better
celestine was better when she wasn't a knock-off sanguinor, even if it meant she was dead
>>43892615
Knock-off Sanguior? Coming back from the dead has always been her thing.
>>43892748
correct. Becoming a spirit of vengeance and appearing in times of need was not.
>>43892748
She's a SoB, she will always be a knock-off.
>>43892789
Yeah, that was Legion's of the Damned thing.
>>43892789
Eh, I'm willing to give it a pass because she's literally divine intervention incarnate (It WAS the name of her special rule)
>>43891972
Nothing yet. They captured some terraforming devices and other things. The Imperial Guard and Marines wondered where the fuck were the Admech/Skittari that was on their flank a couple of seconds ago.
>>43875902
God I hate those models. They take everything interesting about the 1st gen of Ethereal models and shit all over them with gaudy retarded melee weapons and armour. If Va is dead in canon then good ridddance.
>>43881757
Christ that is some bad artwork.
>>43882341
Best thing I've seen in a 40K thread this year
>canon in 40k
topkek
>inb4 someone posts that screenshot of Laurie Goulding that contradicts everything Black Library head publishers and Codex writers have been saying for years, giving credit to a man that said Black Library canon is more legitimate than the stuff in the Codexes
>>43893656
Everything with games workshop logo on it is canon.
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>>43893554
this is my favorite diorama
I still think the techpriests misinterpreted the order from the high lords to install a firewall to get rid of all the eastern filth appearing on his monitors.
>>43893975
>>43893897
>shares more
What a based anon
>>43894421
>>43893975
Underrated post
>>43887781
Omfg do you know how to take a word ending in -y and make it plural?
>>43889201
Is he still dead in the digital codex? I know he was in his original fluff, but the 5th edition WD codex described him as though he were still alive - and that was, after all, the source that brought Celestine back, repeatedly.
On the other hand, the same WD codex actually confirmed Praxedes's death and made it much earlier than it originally was, but then they didn't bother to give her rules again either.
>>43893405
Aun'Va himself isn't really *that* gaudy though, compared to the other 4th edition Ethereals, and taking into account that he's the GREAT LEADER of the entire empire. Even the special Ethereal from the 3rd edition army deal looked slightly more decorated than the regular one, though the 4th edition models definitely did take it much further (and they were all eclipsed by that edition's army deal mini).
>>43896934
He's alive again.
>>43882434
I'm not sure it counts as either side winning when you consider the Imperium literally reduced thousands of light years to flaming plasma JUST to build a firebreak and deny as many of the conquests to the Tau as possible...
Interestingly. Can they use this thing to make a permamnent firebreak around most of the eye of terror?
What about to blow away entire hive fleets?
>>43886376
Oh man, I just realized.
Now they -have- to give the Tau some form of actual fucking FTL, otherwise they've just isolated the Tau -even more- from conflicts in the rest of the galaxy.
>>43886376
>The most immediate concern are the coming Tyranid invasion that it is likely to wipe out the Farsight Enclaves and fulfil the prophecy at last. The eight are likely to die and this will cause Farsight to achieve apotheosis.
prophecy?
>>43897372
Tau already have their FTL. They've reaffirmed that they got their jump-drives back.
>>43897413
can someone explain to me how the tau's FTL changed over the years?
>>43888412
actually given how fast Tau Tech adapts... that would likely just create the Tau singularity. Assuming they survive the first 5 minutes.
>>43897413
I thought their jump drives were simply the warp-skimmer?
Or did Medusa V actually pay off finally? We didn't drop a motherfucking asteroid on that planet for nothing.
>>43897475
They had jump drives, the 6e codex left it vague as to whether they did or not so a bunch of people assumed they no longer did, then a White Dwarf article clarified they still had it.
>>43897475
They've long been stated as having their skim-drives, which is also the main reason their spaceships happen to be shaped like they are. The flat angular shape is how they propel themselves forward more effectively across the warp, like skipping a stone.
Them not having skim drives means their ships are shaped like that for no reason.
>>43887761
Seems like only WS and RG took part.
>>43887781
While the Imperium technically did lose stuff they can't replace, it's not like they don't have an unknown number they can call in as replacements. This is basically the mistake the Tau made at the beginning of Mont'ka, they underestimated the size of the Imperium and thought that, just like if the Tau had suffered such a loss on Prefectia, it would take the Imperium generations to recover and bring such a force of arms to bear.
>>43888159
From my understanding it was something kept by the Mechanicus on Mars and they're loathe to share.
>>43896934
Notice the "those models" in my post. I'm talking about all the 4th edition Ethereals, aka the things which shit gaudy retarded clothes and melee weapons - that don't fit with the rest of the Tau aesthetic and philosophy beyond over-the-top tines and the main logo - all over the original set.
>>43888041
I'd dig it.
>>43897689
Hot damn there's even more!
>>43898034
there's images all over the net, dude
>>43882826
>Reminder that real elves knocked Slaanesh out of the Great Game
>real elves
>2 elemental things captured slaanesh just because god of drugs and sex wasn't fit age raiting of fantasy-kids
AoS, please.
>>43898280
>because god of drugs and sex wasn't fit age raiting of fantasy-kids
Nice meme
>>43898402
It's not the meme, it's reality, god of drugs didn't have the place in noblebrights fantasy for kids.
>>43897314
nah, they ignited the local nebula or something, probably wouldn't work elsewhere
>>43898432
No it's a meme, Slaanesh disappearance is likely going to be a future plot point explained when Elves get their turn in the sun.
If Slaanesh was removed they wouldn't have shown pictures of models belong to him in any of the AoS books.
There wouldn't be a battle in the Lizardmen Battletome that was Lizardmen versus Slaanesh daemons.
Sigmar's battle versus a Keeper of Secrets trying to take Slaanesh's place wouldn't have been mentioned.
Archaon wouldn't have Slaanesh's symbol on his shield nor the Slaanesh keyword in his rules.
GW wouldn't have created a Slaanesh themed battalion that will likely have rules in the Everchosen Battletome.
It's a bad meme born out of a part of GW's fanbase ability to shit itself over nothing.
>>43898600
>look, sisters are mentioned here and here in some fluff, it means that they are not actually irrelevant nor are they not going to get support and new updates!
>look, squats are mentioned here and here...
>>43875922
Aun'Va is not a name, it's a title.
There's already a new Aun'Va by the end of Mont'Ka.
>>43898600
>explained when Elves get their turn in the sun.
>elves
>elementals of light and shadows who lived in elemental planes
>elves
kek, show me where they named as elves?
>Archaon wouldn't have Slaanesh's symbol on his shield nor the Slaanesh keyword in his rules.
Archaon didn't have slaanesh's head on his personal daemon prince.
>GW wouldn't have created a Slaanesh themed battalion
AoS have some official minis except Khorne and LGBT version of Space Marines?
Actual games take place all over the time line so what's the big deal about a character getting killed? If they're in the codex you can field them.
Two things stand out to me.
1. The imperium totally won. The damocles gulf is on freaking fire and they eradicated the sept world.
2. What is shadowsun going to do now that she is trapped on that side of the gulf? Totally team up with the badass himself is my guess.
>>43901691
The earth caste is working on a way to get through the Gulf, so it's not permanent. Really all she has to do is wait, and there are other colonies on her side of the gulf.
>>43901745
Yeah not really a victory.
>>43901691
The Imperium didn't really win by any reasonable definition. They just had to settle for literally burning the hopes and dreams of the Tau Empire to ash. Which is as good as they ever do, but not really a win. Seems to me that both sides lost. Which, when two of the "good guys" of the setting fight, sounds about what you'd expect.
>>43901745
>Really all she has to do is wait
with a short-lived race, that's not really a solution
>>43901803
I meant wait as in not a very long period of time wait, like months as opposed to years.
>>43901560
>Archaon didn't have slaanesh's head on his personal daemon prince.
Apparently this is explained in the White Dwarf that goes along with the model's release; the three heads on his mount represent a Champion each of Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch who tried to kill Archaon and were in turn killed and their power absorbed into his mount. Slaanesh had already been delt with, one way or another, by Malekith and Tyrion, or whatever they're calling themselves these days, so he couldn't send a Champion of his own after Archaon.
>>43901819
It does not work that way in 40k usually.
And the Imperium totally won.
>>43901560
>Archaon didn't have slaanesh's head on his personal daemon prince.
Because Slaanesh was missing by the time the other three gods tried to get Archaon to pledge sole allegiance to them. The heads are the result of Dorghar eating the remains of the champions sent to best Archaon.
>AoS have some official minis except Khorne and LGBT version of Space Marines?
All Fantasy models are AoS models.
>>43887546
>including a Chapter Master of a 1st founding Chapter
You mean Chucklefuck McNobody the Miniatureless?
Honestly, without having a miniature, and this an actual presence in game to any real degree, his death has as much gravity as the trillions of guardsmen the Imperium left behind to burn as they set a sector on fire.
>>43888039
Plasma fares about the same. No ability to retain heat and it'd disperse far to quickly.
>>43877594
>>43886274
breh...
blue board.
