Safety, justice, prosperity, meaningful freedom: all these things begin with order. That there are rules and people obey them: nobody is above them and nowhere is beyond them. The fine details about what should be prioritized afterwards is not an irrelevant issue, but is a matter to be discussed and worked out once order has been firmly established.
It is our right and duty to bring the gift order to this world. That is our purpose, that is our destiny. Those who shall accept the order we are imposing shall reap the benefits there-of, as shall the descendants of those who defy us, but those who stand in our way must be stamped out. For in their misguided clinging to independence they are not only our enemies, but the enemies of all including themselves. Regretable as it may be, they will be made to submit.
>>43874928
Alright.
>>43874928
Sure, law is great and all, but what about pleasure? Surely there's some room for that?
Here, have a cup of wine and praise Aphrodite!
>>43875546
>Aphrodite
Greek detected. Your philosophy of hedonism has been proven moral empty by our philosophers. This is why you are only fit to teach the Trivium and Quadrivium to our children, and not to build an empire.
>>43874928
Lupercalia or death!
>>43875592
YOU DARE CALL A CONSUL OF ROME A FILTHY GREEK?!
Remember well the fate of Marius, and die, paganus!
>>43874928
Yes, and?
>>43875546
You can enjoy yourselves so long as you don't threaten our empire
Unfortunately, power and evil are inseparable. Evil men crave power as good men cannot, and evil men flock to any seat of significant power, swarming what few good men might stand against them.
A household, a town, perhaps even a country can be governed by good men, but in an empire evil is inevitable, and in this all edifices of order shall inevitably become edifices of evil.
>logic logic logic
Drink more bro. If you had ever glimpsed the horned god you would know that logic is useless, everything already makes sense by itself.
>>43874928
Order taken to its logical extreme is chaos, and eats itself. Men are not perfect; and men's rules even less so.
In the end, Order is just another cause; heinous and terrible things can be done in it's name, and order that does not feed on chaos is one way or another will wither and perish, overwhelmed.
Not to mention the doublethink required to criticize independence while being an entity standing up and rallying people to a cause that needs introduction.
>>43878203
All things whither and perish, eventually overwhelmed. You make an argument against life itself, and I do not harken.
And it requires no 'doublethink' to criticize a good thing. As you say, heinous and terrible things can be done in the name of a worthy cause, be it order or be it independence. We must all live with awareness and choose our path carefully.
>>43878309
>All things whither and perish, eventually overwhelmed.
While true in the strictest sense, civilization is built by people who believe in immortality and seek it, in society, in culture, in the building of great works. To struggle against decay and the pit, no matter how futilely, is to live.
No great civilization is born understanding its own mortality, as it should be. As for doublethink, I was simply criticizing the hypocrisy of those who would give out a directive of such independent bent while decrying it in others.
Excess and liberty are not precedents to order; they are its fruit. Civilization is morality.
>>43878403
You were simply criticizing the hypocrisy of a statement lacking in hypocrisy. Exercising liberty to create a better world is virtuous; exercising liberty to spite those who would create a better world is not.
>>43879117
They would do only the same as you; they also presumably claim they would be successful, as you do.
That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.
The more you protest against your hypocrisy, the more it is revealed in stark relief.
>>43879241
You talk as though the world is full of Romes! Who else has either the desire or the capacity to reforge the human world into anything peaceful or reasonable?
>>43879117
Your world of marble may be beautiful, but it us not better. It will be destroyed and a new one will arise from the ruins as has happened since the dawn of time. I will oppose your order for if it falls, then it has no right to exist.
>>43874928
This is a speach from rome total war right?
I'm almost certain it is.
SECVNDVS DEFECATED HERE
>>43878203
> Men are not perfect; and men's rules even less so.
Regardless their absence is far inferior.
>>43879540
Today I baked bread
>>43879540
Godamn wallshitters! You kids quit shitting at our walls!
