>Thieves Guild
The whole thing is an elaborate honey pot right?
What are some good thieves guild names that aren't just 'the thieves guild'?
>>43866465
yep
>>43866518
The Night Club
>>43866518
Political Science Class
>>43866465
Could be, but you'd only get away with one arrest. Enough people would get word out about a mass disappearance of talented or apprentice thieves no matter what steps you took to keep it hushed up. Underworld word travels quickly and through unseen channels.
Could also be that the city sanctions it, crime organized to provide themselves a team of talented rogues for various nefarious contracts or perhaps it's under the control of a mafia that's a big enough force to practically run the city or at least cover its bases.
>>43866518
My recent ones:
>The 13th
>Mon'vel Cartel
>Remus
>Nine Bones
Basically, make them gang names, because that's what a thieves guild is.
>>43866518
The Royal Tax and Customs Office
>>43866589
Tax Collecting is an honest business.
A knee cap breaking business sure, but an honest one at that!
>>43866465
Can someone explain me how do thieves get a guild in a city while being a bunch of cutthroats that only affect negatively the city's economy they belong to?
>>43866602
Because people (nobles included) will always need a network of cheap reliable spies and burglars.
And nothing assures reliability more than certified paperwork.
>>43866602
They don't 'get' a thieves guild, they form one. Illegally.
>>43866602
Some nobles decide that having a thieves guild that leaves them alone while killing off non-guild thieves is better than thieves they have absolutely zero control over.
>Thieves Guild
>Assassin Guild
>Rapist Guild
>>43866615
I'm sure that they could use a network like that, but isn't that why they have a spymaster with those connections?
>>43866617
>>43866659
That makes sense.
>>43866662
Ah yes, the storied Rapist Guild. Coordinating all rape in the city via their Rape Factory out of an abandoned warehouse.
>>43866662
There's people that want specific stuff. Stuff that's already in the possession of someone else. And even if there's not that many customers, it's usually something dense enough in value to merit a hefty paycheck.
There's a good number of people who want someone else dead, but don't want to do the wet work. Also merits a very hefty paycheck, with extras for specifics.
I don't think there's a lot of people willing to outsource rape. That's usually a job someone does themselves. It also leaves a direct witness to the act, whereas a good thief won't get caught and a good assassin doesn't leave witnesses.
Would the thieves guild have a front?
>>43866693
Who do you think heads the thieves guild?
Officially/Unofficially it'd be the best way to keep everyone in check
>>43866738
It's possible to rape someone without having your identity revealed.
>>43866763
>"wait, i recognize that blowjob!"
>>43866781
>the City Watch is hiring all available perverts to help identify an artist's reconstruction of the culprit's junk
>>43866602
>how do thieves get a guild in a city while being a bunch of cutthroats that only affect negatively the city's economy they belong to?
By being smart thieves, like moneylenders, preachers, and salespeople.
>>43866706
>284 posts
Holy shit, I need the archive on this.
>>43866763
There's more ways of identifying someone than their face. Birthmarks, extra nipples, scratch marks left by the victim...
I mean, it's quite at odds with the other two. Thieves remove one or more very specific objects, and try to leave as little trace as possible. Assassins remove very specific people and try to leave as little trace as possible. Rapists do the opposite and try to put something in someone, and that's bound to get sloppy.
Thieving can be as quick as a snatch and grab or a slight of hand, murder can be a crossbow bolt through an open window or a slice across the throat. Rape can get similarly creative, but you've got to stick around for the act, prolonging contact with the target.
>>43866838
So what you're saying is that professional rapists would have to be that much more skilled, then?
The real question is what happens when Vigilantism starts to run rampant. Who rapes the rapemen?
>>43866518
Women's Studies
>>43866860
I don't really expect the vigilantes would be rapists themselves. Very likely they would be solidly against rape, probably because they or someone close to them has been raped by the pros and they don't want to see that kind of thing happen to anyone else.
>>43866465
Lets be honest here, a thieves guild is just a gang. All mobs, mafias, yakuza, whatever are just thieves guilds. you get a bunch of crooks together to fucking organize some crimes, its not hard.
Sure, 'thieves guild' is a stupid name for it, but it bugs me that people get so uppity about it showing up in fantasy when those institutions exist.
>>43866884
Sure, there'd be some. But think about it; how many vigilantes are actually against the thing they fight, and how many just continue to perpetrate it on those they feel deserve it?
>>43866860
It's a different skillset entirely. You couldn't interchange the delicate art of murder with the subtle arts of thievery with the brutal art of professional rape.
>>43866860
The answer is that demons in loli form rape the Rapeman, but that's beside the point.
>>43866884
>>43866899
Well, they could be turning the brutality shown to them to those who perpetuate it, like some kind of shitty lycanthropy.
>>43866693
The problem is always with the TG being public.
A Thieves' Guild that imitates the functioning of legal guilds in the underworld isn't unheard of. I mean, the original mafia was basically illegal banks.
I don't get why people get so tied up with the idea of a thieves' guild.
It's just a fancy name for organized crime, because calling it Mafia would be out of place in a D&D setting.
There's plenty of real world examples of "legitimate businesses" that run illegal operations on the side - drugs, smuggling, prostitution, protection rackets and so on. But since this is a fantasy game with a dedicated rogue class and set in medieval-ish towns we call that a guild.
Now, the "acually a royal spy network" angle is something else, something that doesn't always work. There are a lot of bad writers out there that have to justify organized crime because good PCs can get involved too. But at the core it's a very simple concept.
>>43866902
>Susan, I love you... B-but.. I have a terrible secret.
>Oh John, you can tell me anything!
>No! You'll never look at me the same way.
>No matter what, pookums.. I'll always love you.
>Okay... Susan, I.. I'm a Wererapist.
>A what.
>>43866925
>>43866924
>>43866895
guys we should all hang out.
>>43866706
Sasuga /tg/.
>>43866812
...any luck finding it? I failed.
Around the turn of the 18th century, organised crime leader Jonathon Wild acted as Thief-Taker General, collecting rewards for the "recovery" of items his gang stole and "arresting" members of rival gangs or disloyal followers.
When Charles Hitchen, a (similarly corrupt) Provost Marshal of London tried to expose him, Wild published a pamphlet that said he was gay, and until 1724 he was considered a crime fighting hero.
>>43867059
Why does this make me laugh?
>>43867080
Because it is hilarious.
>>43866465
>The whole thing is an elaborate honey pot right?
No, that's the Bee Guilds HQ
>>43867093
>Bee Guild
this thread is going places
>>43866812 >>43867006
I couldn't find it on suptg by any combination of the OP's post number, the post date, the phrase "rape factory" or the words "rape" and factory".
>>43867275
That's because it had been deleted from there.
>>43866602
They have it because I allowed them to have it, of course.
>>43866518
I have a Thieves Guild known as The Free Market Guild. Specializes in fencing illegal merchandise.
>>43866465
>The whole thing is an elaborate honey pot right?
The problem with that theory is that nobody joins the thieves guild out of some desire to work with their peer.
Rather, freelance thieves are horribly murdered as an example, to ensure everyone joins and most importantly pays prohibitive dues to the guild.
Actually that kind of applies to most guilds.
Guilds are founded by greedy people, guilds are joined by those who have no choice.
>>43866662
I heard you have a buy 1 get 1 free deal on all you can rape thursday
>>43866602
Providing an illegal service no one else can - in the case of a thieve's guild, obviously thievery, but also perhaps a sort of tit for tat the nobles use to influence and attack each other without doing any real harm.
>>43866925
This. A hundred times this.
How is it so hard for some anons to wrap their heads around? A thief is a member of a guild the same way a mobster is a 'legitimate businessman'.
>>43867669
Guild Fees are basically just 'Give us our share in exchange for us letting you work on our turf'.
You sell drugs? The big gang wants their cut.
Why is fantasy so obsessed with such an idiotic concept anyway.
>>43866925
I don't disagree with you, but I'd blame the name. A "thieves guild" just sounds too official for what it's supposed to be
>>43866738
>>43866706
>>43866662
I'm glad to see /tg/ is naive enough to not recognize that's exactly what a brothel is. Prostitutes aren't generally, like, entrepreneurs, you guys. They get sold by their families or they sell themselves to cover predatory debts.
>>43867741
Never mind what its usually presented as is silly even without the name.
>>43866902
Dude. Pimps. Stop arguing. Professional rape is just thievery of an entire person. Its not impossibly hard. It happens every day.
>>43867764
>>43867742
I'm thinking specifically of "mafiasex.ru" which got shut down a while ago. Rapists guild. Real life. That shit is not unimaginable. Its a real thing which you should definitely be aware is all around you.
>>43867741
Autists who believe the "thieves guild" is a legit guild like any other are likely the same ones to believe the black market is a real place with an actual sign advertising it and 50% off mind affecting spells on aisle 9.
Huge parts of the global pron industry are nonconsensual, you guys. Rape guilds are not silly.
>>43866518
The Mockers
http://midkemia.wikia.com/wiki/Mockers
>>43867783
It's not?
>>43866602
Could be like the Yakuza, where the organizations aren't illegal, but their activities are, and the police tolerate it because it directs crime into more "civilized" channels.
>>43866602
Police and/or city representatives are on the guilds paylist.
>>43867742
>>43867779
>>43867788
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as "rape", is in fact, "compulsory prostitution", or as I've recently taken to calling it, "sexual slavery". "Rape" is not an institution unto itself, but rather another facet of a fully functioning system of exploitation made useful by prostitution's social relation, material incentives and implicit wealth disparity comprising a full SoO as defined by NC.
>>43867868
Rape is strictly capitalist disease.
>>43867828
Which is a major part of why criminal gangs are left alone. The Yakuza for instance do a lot of charitable things for Japanese nationals when disaster hits, and they have a very low opinion of drugs.
They're so loved people who criticize them are overwhelmed with sadness and they commit suicide by jumping off a building or running into bullets.
>>43867742
Or they do it for fun.
>>43867889
>>43867845
So a few Robin Hood heists targeting the most cruel and corrupt nobles around should keep them in the good graces of the common folk and bribes take care of most authorities.
>>43867868
>as I've recently taken to calling it,
HOLY SHIT GUYS THIS GUY JUST INVENTED THE TERM SEX SLAVE OVER HERE WHAT A GENIUS WHAT A FACE FOR OUR TIME.
Seriously, what the fuck are you doing here? How necessary do you find it, exactly, to precisely delineate via separate terminology the various circumstances which might surround nonconsensual sex?
>>43867921
Is that somehow relevant to the realism of a rapists guild, or are you just trying to go magical realm on us?
>>43867929
You just got Stallmanned.
>>43867921
Elagabalus pls go.
You people seem to be forgetting most prostitutes in the west chose to do that.
>>43868020
Most prostitutes in the West are Eastern European sex slaves.
>>43867929
I want tumblr newfivs to leave pronto.
If you dont know the gnu/linux interjection by heart then you shouldnt even be poyting.
>>43868044
poyt on,. newfiv
>>43866602
>>43866465
>>43866925
The concept of The Thieves Guild, in addition to the idea of a 'Maifa' or organized crime in general, comes from Fafhrd and The Grey Mauser in literature. In the series setting of Lankhmar, a Labyrinthine and corrupt metropolitan city possibly modeled after Seville.
It was meant as a note of comedic satire in a swords and sorcery book series. The idea being, Lankhmar is SO corrupt, that THIEF is considered a legitimate and organizable business, and so there is a Thieves GUILD that protects thieves interest and practices. It's self aware humor.
>>43868185
It should also be mentioned that Lankhmar is the biggest inspiration for Pratchett's Ankh-Morpork
>>43868279
Funny, I was going to mention that Lankhmars self aware humor reminded me of Pratchett. Neat.
>>43867341
And quite a sensible thing to have to,
Who needs a competent city watch when one can simply negotiate the yearly crime rate with the guild?
>>43867988
I feel like this would be killer if I had any idea what it was.
>>43868279
>>43868308
A-M Thieves guild goes from a Lankhmar "satire" (or thinly veiled praise) in the first books to a glorious rant about insurance companies.
>>43866518
the senate
>>43866518
Allianz
>>43867868
It's good to see other /g/ users
>>43866860
>>43866884
I have a feeling I read about a manga on this subject on /a/ once.
>>43867741
I think there's also an issue of gaming here - if wizards and clerics can hang out in places where they trade spells, and fighty types go to train or something, thieves should have some kind of special club too, right?
And that's fine; it's also fine if the place is morally grey enough to accomodate non-evil PC's business.
What is not fine is trying to pass the thieves' guild as some sort of state-recognized entity and/or a posh spy network. But again, this is a problem with specific writers, not with the concept itself.
>>43867329
luckily for you guys I had the wisdom to save the whole thread before it got deleted.
Also, it was on moe.archive but moe archive is dead now...
>>43866706
>>43866812
>>43867006
>>43867275
>>43867329
>>43870271
https://desustorage.org/tg/thread/14288873/
Here anons
>>43868308
Ankhmar-pork didn't tip you off?
>>43866589
>muh anarchy.
>>43867742
>Prostitutes aren't generally, like, entrepreneurs
Depends on the setting.
>>43866602
thready reminder that discworld thieves guild is best thieves guild
>>43866518
The Sticky Fingers Club
>>43867742
>They get sold by their families or they sell themselves to cover predatory debts.
And are usually kept in debt by the person they work for
>>43871312
Depends on the setting.
So, which crimes don't have guilds?
>>43871359
jaywalking
>>43866518
The Socialist Party
>>43871462
>Chaotic Good Thieves' Guild
I like it.
>>43871462
The Wealth Redistribution Center
>>43867876
Hahahah what?
>tribals and communalists don't ever rape
You must be fucking retarded.
>>43866518
The hideouts name is That One Place and the members are usually refered to in various non-descriptives (That Chick, The Guy with the Nose, The Man with the Fingernails) lead by That Dude with that Whole Vibe Thing Going. Name length indicates rank.
>>43866571
you don't disappear them, silly. you "elevate" them to a more prestigious and secretive stature. and only the really dangerous ones.
that way, any moderately talented thief can look at the remaining rank and file and say "I'm way better than that. I can own this city!"
>>43870327
I feel like being in the presence of an urban legend
>>43871708
I WANNA BE THE GUY
>>43871708
>The company.
>>43866465
Which is better? The Roving bandit who is incentivised to take everything and kill the victim, so that he may freely ramble on to the next victim as he faces no negative consequence?
Or the stationary bandit, who takes enough to satisfy his needs and leaves enough so his victims can still live and make more, and is incentivised to ensure that his investment is secure from the poaching of outside forces such as rogues, beasts, and invaders?
If one must have crime, and is unable to produce any institution proper to deal with said crime and enforce its castigation, then it is far better to have a singular firm of organized crime, rather than to suffer the unsustainable consumption of roving raiders and highwaymen.
And with luck, over the years, the stationary bandit may become more involved and entrenched with the maintaining of his territory, and soon his tribute becomes tax revenue, and he is incentivised to provide more and more services for said revenue.
Afterall, its only basic economics.
>>43866838
>extra nipples
>>43867059
>"Everyone! This guy isn't actually a cop, he's a corrupt gang leader!"
>"yeah well ur gay lol"
>A HERO
holy shit im dying
>>43871649
It's one of the somewhat famous soviet propaganda lines.
The idea was that with no individual ownership there will be no property crimes and subsequently no murder or rape because those are motivated by greed as well.
I guess Eastern European can tell you how well that worked in reality.
