Gnaar Mok and Misplaced Bowls Edition
>Tabletop/P&P RPGs
[Scrollhammer - Tabletop Wargame] 1d4chan.org/wiki/Scrollhammer_2nd_Edition
Discussion in #Scrollhammer (irc.thisisnotatrueending.com (port 6667))
[UESRPG 1e + other TES RPGs] http://www.mediafire.com/uesrpg
Discussion in #UESRPG (same server)
>Lore Resources
[The Imperial Library] http://www.imperial-library.info/
[/r/teslore] http://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/
[UESP/Lore] http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Main_Page
[Pocket Guide to the Lore] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AtsWXZKVqB4Q825_SwINY6z4_9NaGknXgeOknOCDuCU/edit
[Elder Lore Podcast] http://www.elderlore.wordpress.com/
[How to Become a Lore Buff] http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1112211-how-to-become-a-lore-buff/
>General Rules
No waifus please.
Keep the MK related squabbling to a minimum.
Tell me about witchhunters, /tgesg/.
>>43860587
No.
Tell /me/ about Mysticism.
>>43860587
Generally members of religious orders, such as the Order of the Circle and the Vigilants of Stendarr, or private NGO groups like the Order of Virtuous Blood and Dawnguard. Their goal is to eradicate supernatural entities, often daedra, for either pay or in the case of the some of the larger groups, on a pro bono basis if the threat is sever enough.
Their expertise in these matters makes them extremely dangerous, as they are accustomed to dealing with threats far more sever than the average militant would be, making them valuable as soldiers and guards in addition to their other skills.
They'd likely have exceptional skill in tracking, hunting, and identifying magical residues as a result of their line of work, and likely know a litany of folk lore and myths, and will have no doubt picked up the finer points of the alchemical arts.
>>43860731
The book or the science?
>>43860755
Not the Unfathomable Voyage, I presume
>>43860843
>>43860755
No, not the book, the art/science/mysticism
>>43860892
Read Prequel.
You know Making The Cat Cry: The Adventure
any good TES fan games out there?
>>43861535
Scrollhammer still exists. The Elder Kings mod is fun, but you have to roll your game back to the last version to use it.
ill be playing battlespire tomorrow. What should my character build be so that I dont die every 30 seconds?
>>43861626
Very patient.
why arent bosmer depicted with horns anymore?
>>43861701
Not sure, I think it's because the Devs honestly either forgot they had them, or didn't bother.
>>43861701
Easier to market.
>>43861726
bullshit. horns on bosmer are cooler than no horns.
>>43861875
Horny elves are always superior, but they rarely make it in to media.
>>43861701
Because they got upstaged
Running a one shot soon in senchal, elsweyr. The players are blades investigating corpse disappearances related to necromancy. Any advice for the rp/investigation part? Specificly what should i keep in mind for a khajit town and culture?
>>43860478
How about that dude that made the TES Treasury and posted on Imperial-Library get his ass back to work and provide the new version already? For free, and without any reward or recognition whatsoever...
Whoops, did I just write that?
I've legitimately been waiting all week for this.
And now I can't remember what I was going to post about.
>>43861535
As in video games? Elder Kings 1.6 came out recently, and it's pretty fun. I just started one of those random character runs.
Elder Scrolls: Total War is also worth checking out.
>>43863747
Yea... Been to busy making skyrim into a fetish toy that I forgot what the game was really about.
>>43862500
When does this take place? Senchal has changed a lot over time.
Anyway, Senchal is a major trading town, people and wares move around. Make it feel overcrowded and hectic. It's a city of markets and bazaars, surrounded on three sides by ports. Depending on the timeline, it may be lawless, it may be somewhat secure, and it may be mostly abandoned. Imperials consider it a ugly city, at least at the time when large parts lay in ruins.
It has a large span between squalid slums and huge manors owned by noblemen and merchants. The Potentate once lived there. The law has never been especially well enforced.
You might want to go to the Black Keirgo, which is a part of town that's just about unregulated. It's a mix of the best and the worst. It's the most squalid and dangerous part of town, especially to outsiders, but it's also where the biggest trading in moonsugar and skooma goes down, and it has establishments for every layer of society. That place has beggars with shakes and noblemen tripping balls.
Culturally, you're in Pellitine, though the city is probably so large that it's more metropolitan.
Oh, and being a Bosmer is probably a good way to get killed.
>>43860478
Are the TES books worth reading? I've heard some mixed reviews.
>>43864386
I liked them. Lord of Souls was my favorite of them, but Infernal City was pretty good too.
If I'm already in House Telvanni, can I still join the Mages Guild and do their quests too? I know they both hate eachother but I want to know if it's possible before I go about playing my new character
>>43864758
You can, yes.
>>43864099
Im thinking late 3rd age before oblivion crisis. What will the average khajiit be like, will they give information on grave robbers pr a growing necromancer cell?
>>43864966
>What will the average khajiit be like
Varies a lot. I'd imagine the Khajiit to be mostly Pellitinian, but all kinds of cats from all walks of life end up in Senchal. Probably less of the very large quadruped breeds though. If you're the size of an elephant, you probably don't want to live in a city.
Necromancy is from what I know rather rare in Elsweyr, and I don't think most people care all that much about corpses being exported. Though that doesn't mean it's something they approve of. It may be that the Khajiit, or at least some of them, view Necromancy as a form of slavery. That would make them very opposed to it, as the Khajiit have a distaste for such practices.
If you're in Senchal, corpses are probably of two kinds. The first is local corpses, probably the ones of dead people from squalid parts of the city, The second is corpses that arrive in Senchal to be sold to necromancers. Those are probably from Anequina, since it's easier to take corpses from shallow desert graves.
I'd imagine you could persuade most Khajiits to talk about grave robbers unless they have good reason to hide it. Necromancy is a bit foreign to the Khajiiti, who don't generally excel in magic, so I'd imagine the threat of it sounds kind of scary.
If the players try to demand info because they're Blades, I think that would work for the upper class, but not for the common cat. If they tried to focus on the necromancer threat, I'd imagine it would be easier to get people to talk.
God I love NioLiv's robe replacer
>>43865916
Ya a a sload is involved, so the blades are very much involved. No im going to explain to my players that even tho its a one shot divulging that they are blades would out them in their perspective missions.they are being called away from their current missions to stop the growing necromancer influence in senchal. But thank you, im very drunk right npw, so please excuse my spelling.
>>43864386
Yeah, they're pretty nice.
>>43865916
>Pellitinian
Eh?
>>43864966
Most of them will try to sell you information.
Most of the Information is made up.
>>43866600
I can still read it, so you're doing fine.
>>43866649
Most Khajiit in his game will culturally be Pellitinian, since Senchal lies in Pellitine.
I don't know how much you know about the Khajiit, but they have a pretty big cultural divide that can roughly be sorted into the southern Pellitinian and the northern Anequinans, taking the name after the two major traditional kingdoms of Khajiiti history.
>>43866723
This. You'd have poor addicts that would say anything for more cash, and merchants that just want more dosh.
In general, you don't even have to consider race and culture that much. Just think about how a partially lawless city that's basically run by merchant lords would turn out. Toss in the drugs, the addicts and the poor, and you have a lot of things to work out from.
>>43864966
If you are men or mer,enjoy being scammed and robbed.
Unless your a bosmer. Or Argonian. Then enjoy getting stabbed/clawed/poisoned/all pf these
>>43866776
You just reminded me that late in the third era could place you around the time of the Five Year War.
And then you really, really don't want to be a Bosmer in Elsweyr.
>>43861701
They still are. You posted an artist's rendition of their character in the most recent Elder Scrolls game, which happens to include Bosmer with horns and antlers, after all.
>>43866759
Tell me of them (Anequinans and Pellitinians)?
>>43866894
It's kind of a double distinction. You can use the terms about the kingdoms themselves, or about the typical culture of them.
So let's get the kingdoms out of the way first. The Khajiit are a ancient folk, but Elsweyr itself isn't that old. In the past, the province used to be split off into all kinds of kingdoms, but after the Khajiit were hit hard by the Thrassian Plague everything changed, and you were left with two kingdoms. In the hills and deserts of the north, you had the kingdom of Anequina, and in the south the kingdoms of Pellitine. The kingdoms probably never stopped existing, but were joined into a confederacy in 2E 309. As of 4E 115, the confederacy was disbanded and the kingdoms formally split.
So in the first sense, the terms are about which kingdom people or things are from. Senchal, for example, lies on the Quin'rawl Peninsula, which is in Pellitine.
In Ta'agra the kingdoms are called Pa'alatiin and Ne Quin-al.
>>43867109
On the other hand, the terms are used about the culture of the people who live there. I'm going to generalize it real quick.
Anequina is mostly a kingdom of vast desert wastes and grasslands, and there's a lot of nomads. These guys are more tribal and aggressive, living mostly in wandering clans. If I'd take a guess, I'd say most Khajiiti traders you meet in Skyrim are Anequinan.
Anequina is where Khajiiti warriors are born, it's a warrior culture.
In Pellitine, Anequina is viewed as barbaric and uncivilized.
In Pellitine, you have a lot of jungles and river basins, and people here are typically agrarian. This place has a long history of agrarian aristocracy, artisans and mercantile traditions. Moon Sugar only gets made in Pellitine, and it's where most of Elsweyr's riches are from.
Pellitine is where Khajiiti traders come from, and they have a very materially rich tradition.
In Anequina, Pellitine is viewed as decadent and depraved.
I hope that covers things.
>>43867109
>>43867119
Love this description. Can you describe the Nibenayans and Colovians in the same manner? I can never figure out the difference in culture and people.
every time i try to enchant something, it fails.what am I doing wrong? Also, where it says "Enchantment: __/__" What do the numbers necessarily mean?
Also when I tried to enchant my steel helm, it said "You cant add more enchantments than this item can hold" or something along those lines. Even though the helm doesnt have an enchantment and i was just trying to add ONE enchantment to it. Is this a glitch with the code patch, because I do have the tick marked where you can add more than one enchantment
Sorry if the questions are obvious, first time playing an enchanter. Heres a pic in exchange
>>43867172
Those numbers are the level of enchantment that can be held.
Y/X = Enchantment power
An item can have a enchantment value = X at maximum. If the value of Y, the enchantment you're placing on the item, is less than or equal to X, the enchantment proceeds as normal and you have a chance equal to your skill level to enchant the item.
>>43867199
so if my enchanting is at 24, then I have a 24% chance to succeed?
Thanks. And the Steel Helm business?
>>43867134
>Nibenayans and Colovians
I can give it a try once I get back home. Though I'll have to say that I know less about Cyrondiilic history than I do about Khajiiti.
>>43867227
A steel helm can hold an enchantment with a maximum power of 25.
An enchantment's power is determined by the base cost multiplied by the power of the enchantment. Therefore, a steel helm is only capable of holding simple enchantments, where as something like an Ebony Helm, which has a much larger enchantment value, can hold a more complex or powerful one.
It's a bit hard to understand unless you go through the process first hand, but once you get used to it the whole process makes perfect sense
>>43867258
b-but it was a steel helm that I wanted to enchant with Paralyze on touch for 1 second! That's not considered a simple enchantment?
>>43867277
Paralyze is pretty big.
So I'm making a mod. I need one of the characters to do the stripper dance. But I dont know how to add the animation file. I know it's "anim_dancingGirl.NIF" because I looked at Caminda's file, but I dont know how to add the animation to a new character. Help?
>>43867345
ask on /vg/ N'wah
>>43867469
/vg/ only cares about skyrim and you know it
>>43867277
Paralyze is generally one of the "biggest" enchantments.
>>43867277
Consider switching to Damage Strength or Burden.
>>43867109
>>43867119
Huh.
Sweet.
Thanks
PLEASE does anyone have the Hlaalu version of this picture? I already have the Telvanni one.
>>43868001
>>43868001
is this what you seek my n'wah?
>>43868001
>>43868028
Is there a Redoran?
>>43868065
Probs, but I don't have it in my folder
I'll post the other two I have tho
>>43868065
The one posted first is Redoran. Can't you read Daedric, outlander?
>>43868028
Yes it was sera. You have my thanks.
>>43868094
>>43868065
Redoran is >>43868001
Source for all of them is Lelek1980.
>>43868103
>>43868131
Oooh.
Shit.
Sorry, my daedric is a bit rusty
>>43868117
Dagoth?
>>43868661
TELL ME ABOUT THE SHARMAT! WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK?
>>43868676
But hir face changes between words, why would the Hortator need a mask?
>>43868691
>hir
>>43868676
Tell me about Mane, why does he wear the fluff?
>>43868721
You're a big cat
>>43868731
For moons.
>>43868676
He didn't levitate so good.
>>43868756
WAS ACHIEVING CHIM PART OF YOUR PLAN?
>>43868769
OF COURSH
Dr Antabolis refused out offer in favor of yours. We had to know what he told you about us.
CRASHING THIS KALPA
WITH NO SURVIVORS
>>43868822
Crashing Kalpas since 3rd world
>>43868822
>all-around decadence with Nords not having the least bit of roots to their ancestral Gods and their ancestral enemies making claims on their identity and ancestral land
>coincides exactly with Spenglerian apocalypse and the current cycle ending
>Lorkhan-who-is-Talos first of the new gods and the only one of the Gods to survive whole into the next Kalpa
Bethesda and Kirkbride can get pretty damn /pol/-tier at times. (which makes a pleasant balance for Lady N's constant liberal signalling desu)
>>43869490
>greentexts
What?
>>43869939
Orcuoting.
>>43870011
>Orcuoting
What?
>>43869939
Bethesda makes a game about the apocalypse and the current kalpa cycle ending.
All of a sudden the recent iteration of the Nords have lost all connection to their traditions (Gods and all) and the Dunmer are infesting their lands with the help of people who are culturally closer to Nibenese/Colovians than Nords at heart.
Now if you read the writings about mysticism regarding Kalpas/Cosmic Cycles in the west prior to the New Age hippies found out about them you find hyper-traditionalists and mysticists like Spengler, Evola, Guenon, etc all of who viewed the societal and spiritual decline of the west as the precursor to the end of the current cycle.
It's pretty hilarious to be honest, either someone at Bethesda is pretty /pol/-tier or they managed to be so unwittingly. (i'd wager the latter for Kirkbride since he's intimated that his main inspiration for the cosmological stuff is comic books)
>>43870162
>comic books
>Fucking comic books
Nothing bad about the medium, but honestly Poe's law is strong with them. Other than the occasional good thing like Dream Keepers their quality is really subpar.
And they last you ten minutes at most, too. That's the worst offender for me. That or they are years-spanning online comics with no clear direction that will last you all of two days.
>>43870210
I think what's worse is that he cites the gender ideas, that C0DA faggots cannot stop obsessing about, as being inspired by superhero comics.
>>43869490
>Lady N's constant liberal signalling
>mfw reading her blog and seeing the term "reverse imperialism" used unironically to describe the Redguards conquest
Fucking americans.
>>43870369
What?
>>43870412
Some fellow tumblrite complained about "muh eurocentric racism" in TES.
So Lady N went full liberal and defend the Redguard on the grounds that they're cool Black Panther types (not that the BP were ever cool Kirkbride's fascination aside) and that they had that "reverse imperialism" thing going on. That's a play on the utterly retarded notion of "reverse racism".
>>43870412
Only white people can be imperialist, haven't you heard?
>>43870444
>>43870457
>mfw
So how does absorption work in morrowind?
I chose the Atronach and have Wombburn, so I absorb 50 points. Does this mean I have a 100% chance to absorb any spells that are 50 points or less, or is my % based on my level?
She's so pretty
>>43871651
wtf is going on with everything in this "painting" holy shit
>>43871651
Dat neck tho
>>43871814
something wrong?
>>43871875
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT I CANT UNSEE NOW
>tfw going to play morrowind blind
Well I know Im the nerevarine but nothing beyond that
>>43871980
Be prepared for Fun! Also rage at invisible dice deciding if your swing hits.
>>43871980
Hope you like cliffracers.
>>43871980
before you play, know that everyone bitches about the combat, but its part of what makes the game fun, and is important without it. just level up a few times, give the game a chance, and you'll be killing Dremora like a mother-fucker
lets discuss something
All sides of the skyrim civil war are morons.
The Empire is a shell of it's former self and needs to die off. The stormcloaks are retards for not realizing that a unified skyrim is a stronger skyrim. The Aldmeri Dominion is fucking shit up, and noone is doing anything to bring everyone together. Even the Psijic Order doesnt give two fucks about anything other than the damned Eye.
So what do you do to fix this broken situation with the civil war? Pull a Tiber Septim and kill your best friend and master and attribute all his success to yourself???
>>43872293
Let it burn.
>>43872293
top 3 strongest princes GO! Jygger doesnt count
>>43872412
Sheogorath is powerful but never does anything of value with it.
Dagon invades Nirn every other Tuesday and was able to save enough of the old world to warrant Akatosh fucking his cosmic shit up, so presumably he's pretty high up there.
Molag, being the Prince of Rape and Lord of Domination probably has a pretty good amount of power. He was strong enough to copy the plot of Oblivion.
>>43872412
I like to think that Malacath is the strongest or the second strongest after Meridia, but he is doomed to lose every single time. If he is not defeated, he brings himself into a position of defeat. That's his curse.
>>43872412
Boethia
Herma
Mechrunes
>>43872561
Malacath is one of the weaker Princes if I remember it right.
>>43872587
stronger than peryite tho
>>43872612
A ham sandwich is stronger than Peryite.
>>43872412
Strongest in what sense? If physically, I'd say
1. Hircine
2. Boethia
3. Dagon
If by knowledge:
1. Hermaeus Mora
2. Azura
3. Namira
If by subtle manipulation:
1. Mephala
2. Sheogorath
3. Namira
If by minions:
1. Dagon
2. Molag
3. Boethia
>>43872587
All Daedric Princes are pretty much omnipotent in mortal measure, if you don't count CHIM and stuff. They can only compete against each other and Aedra etc. Considering that he was Trinimac before being made into the Pariah, he must have held a huge power. Auri-el sends him to spank Veloth and the gang, he must be at least as powerful as Alduin in terms of capability in his own sphere. Okay maybe he couldn't recite the entire literature of the future eras from memory but he must have been one hell of a champion.
This is why the idea of him, doomed to failure seems so enticing. He is the ultimate pariah; he can't do what he would otherwise be able to do because he is restrained from power this or the other.
>>43872710
>by knowledge
>Nocturnal not listed on the first 3
mfw
>>43872756
Nocturnal is shit, literally Meridia tier.
>>43872797
>>43872797
>Nocturnal
>shit
>UrDra
>shit
Nigga what
>>43872377
Wow that pic is aweful, can we get a better imperial explanation. Seriously neither side is right or wrong, the only bad option for humans is if neither imperial or stormcloak gain a decisive victory. It pisses me off that your post even drags all of tamriel into it. Hammerfell is doing well, and argonia is divorced from the situation entirely. Plus i imagine if skyrim seceded so will high rock. That would be amazing redgaurd light infantry, nord beserkers, breton spellswords, and orc heavy infantry. Along with every other kind of soldier that aren't their cultures stereo type. So while the thalmor do have to be stoped, the empire doesn't have to be the ones to do it. Also if you knew any history you would know that the empire is ever hardly a united empire under peace and brotherhood or any other gay shit, that only a handful of emperor's were any good and the others soaked the continent in blood. The line is broken and the empire is a puppet, but unless the kalpa ends or the thalmor "win" their will be another leader who will come along at the right time to unite the sundered lands.
>>43874134
The Thalmor win.
>>43874202
? What are you referring to? I dont subscribe to C0DA (not that is bad but canon is another thing).
>>43874451
I was referring specifically to c0da.
>>43872293
>talking about the civil war
Let's not. It has been done to death.
Instead, we can discuss something more interesting, like how much of a faggot Y'ffre is.
>>43874134
>stoped
Please, get stoped.
>>43872412
"Strongest" is kind of a weird and useless ranking, but we all know it's Nocturnal.
>>43874676
He's got the word "yiff" right in the name.
>>43874748
What's up with Nocturnal? I am uneducated
>>43875272
>What's up with Nocturnal?
She's the Ur-Dra.
>>43874748
Sorry i really don't pay attention to spelling when im on my phone, it's sucks just to write all that out. Let's not talk about right or wrong in beths shitty civil war anyways. Instead what do you guys think happens afterwards, not talking about coda just what your opinoins are. Do the thalmor win? Does the empire reorganize? Do the provinces become independent after the dissolution of the empire? Will a new Tiber/Remen/ Alyssia come along to start a new empire? Find out next time on Elder Scrolls Z
>>43875351
>let's not talk about civil war
>let's talk about the result of the civil war
>>43875291
I mean, can you elaborate on that please? Where are the sources? I can use a good readin'
>>43875372
Just ment we dont have to bitch at each other about stormclaok or empire and instead we can bitch at each other about the bigger picture. Man, for an elder scrolls thread you guys sure don't like real discussion
>>43875458
It's just that the civil war is not a very interesting topic, and people have been talking about it so fucking much for four years now.
>>43875410
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/imperial-census-daedra-lords
>Nocturnal is accorded the title Ur-dra by nearly all the Royalty of Oblivion. As the mother of night, she claims to be an aspect of the original Void itself, and it is generally deemed best to fortify this declaration in one’s evening prayers.
Amongst the Deadra, Nocturnal is the real deal.
>>43875538
and yet she doesnt give two shits about people worshipping her. Odd isnt it?
what are Imperial Mananauts???
why is there no better bodies nude version of Almalexia? Such a grand opportunity and yet noone has made such a thing
>>43875807
Astronaut wizards.
>>43875887
Almalexia is my waifu tbqh
>>43876809
before or after losing her divinity?
>>43875458
The thing is, the only people who care about the civil war are skyrim kiddies, and this is a thread for elder scrolls lore and tabletop, both of which repel casu-els.
>>43876870
>before
I would love to shout "oh Mother Mercy"
>after
I would love it if she made me cry "oh Mother Mercy"
>>43876809
Your waifu is the single biggest slut in the entirety of the lore.
>>43877001
>implying I'm not okay with this
>>43875351
I'll wager that the Empire is still around for a while longer.
>>43877001
>implying there arent cure disease spells that heal STD's
>implying that being a slut is a problem in morrowind
>>43877001
I don't know, she has to compete with Vivec. A manslut is still a slut, and besides, Vivec's a girl half the time anyway.
this lists what alchemical apparatus' do but what effect do skooma pipes have? http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Alchemy_Apparatus
>>43877174
futas and traps are a big fetish online...
>>43877181
>what effect do skooma pipes have
The best effects.
>>43871603
You have a 50% chance to absorb all of the spell.
Morrowind is all dice rolls.
>>43876892
Eh so we can't talk about a subject becausr its associated with a certain group of people? I know were better then that, besides what i really want to talk about comes after skyrim. Is the third empire the last? Is the current one even worth salvaging? Also Remen/Alyssia/Tiber were so intresting and all delve deep into the lore id love a new hero, i mean i think it world really be cool to be this character in tes6.
>>43877206
The Dreamsleeve is so commercialized now. Facescroll and Mothspace are killing smaller spores. Where will I go to talk about Akaviri cartoons in the future?
so wtf is up with Namira, she's so mysterious. She's the "Ancient Darkness", whatever that means
>>43877458
Don't be so quick to overlook the Medes. They have a bad reputation but achieved some pretty cool stuff.
>>43877475
I heard that some Khajiit kid was starting up a spore exclusively for Akaviri stuff. Supposed to be pretty much undiluted.
>>43877181
Scroll all the way to the bottom. Skooma pipes are basically utterly shitty alembics.
>>43877458
The Medes are arguably the Fourth Empire, it's just that it more or less carried on from the third. Besides, Tiber himself says in Morrowind that it might be time to ditch the Empire.
>>43877539
Sounds promising.
Merithic Era -- 2,500 Years Long
First Era ------- 2,920 Years Long
Second Era -- 892 Years Long
Third Era ------ 433 Years Long
Ever since the first era, the number of years per era has been dropping dramatically. When will the 4th Era end?
>>43877825
When Numidium shows up.
>>43877825
>trying to count time when you have to take into account shit like the middle dawn
>>43877872
What events happened during the Middle Dawn? I mean, I know time is non-linear at that point, but SOME events had to have happened right?
>>43877523
>>43877668
The medes, huh, never thought much of them especially after the white-gold concordnent (sp?). I mean what did they expect would happen afterwards, everyone just waits for them to gain there strength and everyone would be fine and dandy with that? No they had it coming, i know skyrim is controversial but i dont think anyone blames hammerfell for leaving. Ill look them up because they are actually a line i haven't read up on, guess it doesn't help that the mede in tes5 seemed so weak willed in history and the dark brotherhood mission ( i know he was a tactical genuis but didn't seem much of a strategy guy, not the best trait for an emporer).
>>43877930
yah...about that. He didnt seem surprised when you showed up. and what kind of emperor stays in the very same city his cousin was killed in, and let alone with barely any guards.
I think he knew the brotherhood was coming. He knew the people of the empire didnt think much of him and it was his time.
Perhaps he had Mortierre set up his contract. Perhaps Mortierre was part of the elder council and loyal to the emperor to the end? He had that necklace afterall, not many of them out there....
>>43877997
Mortierre was a member of the Council.
So, what exactly defines a Daedric prince or a Daedra?
I used to think they just developed paralel to the Aedra but then they have weird origins..
Meridia is a Magna Ge.. Malacath is a transformed mortal, Pery is a Dragon/Jill...and Hermaos is probably something from the last kalpa.. but what are the others?
>>43877997
Very intresting, skyrim gets a lot of deserved crap but there are quite a few intresting things in it. Honestly i love that you told me that its why i come here, because no matter how much you search thro lore and game narrative their is always something missed. Medes seem alright but they're not like the big three who seem to be as much legends as men ( or women) plus they all started an empire not held on to the coattails of a dying one.
>>43878129
UESP is your friend.
>>43878129
Oh and i forgot: What the fuck is Yfffre?
>>43878129
Perry isn't a "real" dragon as far as I know.
>>43878161
Earthbones.
>>43878141
>big three
Tiber/Hjalti and who else?
Well, this is a garbage thread so far.
What's your favorite of the 36 Sermons, /tgesg/?
>>43878194
Anon probably means Alessia, Reman, and Tiber.
>>43861937
ayy
>>43878216
Oh I see. the Tribunal of the Empire I suppose
>>43878177
Well if a elf can get eaten, shat out and declare himself a daedric prince..
I dont see a reason why a child of akatosh couldnt do this job too.
My theory is, perry jumped in to keep some order up, after Ygga got gangraped into madness.
>>43877908
Ask Ma'iq
>>43878331
Peryite is settling himself up to be the Akatosh in the next kalpa--"walk like them until they walk like you" etc. Unfortunately for him, the next kalpa ain't coming.
>>43877908
Ask the Khajiit. They know.
So let's go down a list of people who might possibly be of royal blood who have not claimed the throne but very well could.
Galana Septim and Duke of Narsis' descendants (if any)
Antiochus Septim and Magna's descendants (if any)
Bianki's descendants (if any)
Uriel Septim III's descendants (if any)
Kintyra Septim II's descendants (if any)
Joleth Septim's descendants (if any)
Andorak Septim's descendants (if any)
Morihatha Septim and Ulfe Gersen's descendants (if any)
Uriel VII's desendants (he was a horny bastard and had alot of kids, I wouldn't be surprised if he had another kid or two stashed somewhere)
All names come from here http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Septim_Dynasty
So there are many possibilities for whom could rule the empire, why does noone step up?
>>43878376
Who knows. Mooncats wont save everyone but themselves.
>>43878161
He's a cunt.
>>43878216
Sermon Sixteen.
>>43878129
Malacath, (or rather, Trinimac,) wasn't just a mortal. He was an aedra.
>>43867109
Aren't Pellitine and Anequina united. Isn't that the reason they named their Elsweyr based on an old Kahjiiti proverb. "The perfect nation is found elsewhere."
>>43878944
they were. until the 4th era
>>43878129
Ada who squatted in Oblivion.
>>43878944
They were for a while, but are currently split up again. And for a good amount of the time, it wasn't a unification as much as it was a confederation.
Regardless, even when they were unified, there was a distinction between the cultures.
How good is the UESRPG? I've always wanted to run a TES game with my friends, but they're not so good with really crunchy systems.
>>43878437
Legitimacy concerns, most likely.
Just because you could technically claim the throne, you might not necessarily have the support/legitimacy/power to actually do so. In the case of all the immediate heirs dying such as is the Septim case, installing a distant relative requires massive amounts of support compared to simple usual succession.
>>43861701
They aren't allowed in Skyrim...
>because they're filthy daedric monsters
And cyrodiil in the late 3rd era? Too many gawkers, and close enough to home you might as well stay there.
>>43867172
>enchanting by yourself in morrowind
Good one.
Unless youre max level and buffering with a few potions, or a super potion, you're out of luck. Best train your barter and pay for enchanting if your playing vanilla/almost vanilla/not-cheating.
>>43880195
i have morrowind code patch. that SHOULD help a bit
>>43877001
>same continuity as barenziah, who literally fucked a Demigod and had him push her down the stairs after a pregnancy scare, and later a khajiit thief in a public bar.
C'mon n'wah.
>>43880250
It'll be like buying a car, dude. Except a single mass-payment is all you're allowed to do. But considering the usefullness of some enchantments, car-tier prices aren't unjustified.
>>43879349
>>43878963
Oh yeah. They split when the Dominion "returned the moons" and killed the current Mane.
>>43880250
Gonna need more mods than the code patch, there's a better enchantment mod which makes it far more achievable around somewhere
>>43872710
I agree with Molag having the strongest minions. Molag's balls however, has been kicked so much over the course of time, its virtually non-existent now.
>>43874948
He made the bosmer into several types of fur fucking "-kin".
>>43875759
All goes to the void by default anyway.
>>43875504
No. The it is an interesting topic. The problem is that people are overzealous in defending their faction. Thats why most of the discussion about it turns into a shitpost galore.
>>43877001
Being a slut is part of the culture in Morrowind. If your Dunmeri daughter isn't a slut, shes a deviant.
>>43878437
They'll get murdered by the thalmor. Implying most of them aren't already dead.
>>43881346
>better enchantment mod
well link it! I need it!
>>43881534
This is slander and you know it.
>>43882531
It's true and there's a song that proves it.
>>43871651
She looks like a grey human and lacks bosmer horns
4/10
>>43867134
Nibeneans are groups of people who live in the Nibenay basin through the hearth-lands. They are what most people think about when they hear the word "imperial". Diplomatic, shrewd silver-tongued, well mannered etc. Originally their culture was a mix of Roman/Chinese-japanese and South east Asian motifs.
The Colovians are from the are called the colovian highlands through Bruma in Cyrodiil, they are more nordic in nature are the core of the Cyrodillic armies. They live in a semi-fuedalistic society that holds honor knightly values.
Okay newfag getting into the deeper lore. There are two bits that confuse the hell out of me
>So Talos re-enacted Lorkhan at convention or something and by breaking the dragon just as Lorkhan fought Auriel, that made him mantle Lorkhan?
Also
>Do Aedra and Daedra swap places with each kalpa, or can Aedra only swap with Aedra and Daedra only with Daedra
>I bring this up because I recall someone saying next kalpa would have Peryite as Akatosh and Molag Bal as Magnus, and cited Molag Bal as ruler of the previous kalpa as the Ruddy Man.
>Is that last part even true?
>>43885134
Talos ascended by enantiomorph, with Wulfharth as the King and Zurin as the Observer. The dragon break was a side effect of the fact that he did this be powering on the Numidium.
Aedra and Daedra change each kalpa. Molag Bal as the Ruddy Man is true as true can be, even to canonfags; its in the Sermons.
>>43885263
Yeah but does that mean he was Aedra at one point?
>>43885311
>>43885134
And if Talos indeed does survive to the next kalpa then does that mean any of the other Aedra/Daedra could have been mortals that ascended at some point?
>>43872293
I wanted to be able to screw all sides and make myself High King. My character certainly had the credentials: thane in 9 holds; Archmage of Winterhold; savior of Solitude; (ostensible) destroyer of the Dark Brotherhood; dragon-born; slayer of dragons; slayer of the progenitor of the Volkihar clan; adept of the Thu'um; loved and respected by all; hero to rich and poor, strong and weak, man, woman and child alike; and all-around badass.
There are plenty of other deeds I didn't list, but the point is: with all the incredible, heroic shit the PC is able to do, you'd think it'd be a viable option.
I can see why Bethesda would be reluctant from a "we control the story" standpoint, though. On the other hand, there are certainly ways it could be justified/worked around in future games.
>>43885311
Not necessarily. He could have been a Daedroth ruler.
>>43885335
Whether talos will survive to the next kalpa is debatable, but since he reinforces this one its likely he won't need to. As for ascension: arguably it's possible, but I don't believe there have been any recorded cases that aren't just mortals mantling the existing 'dra.
>>43885393
And what about that whole thing about Peryite calling dibs on being Akatosh? Is that legit?
>>43885442
A viable theory, but not necessarily fact. Just makes sense. I can't remember the source; might be the Census of Daedric Lords mixed with Daggerfall dialogue, or i could be pulling that out of my ass. It's certainly not unlikely, let me put it that way.
>>43885442
No. If Peryite was an aspect of akatosh. He'll technically will not be able to do anything. As akatosh is basically a mindbroken fucktoy of Lorkhans festering corpse-pile.
>>43885520
>I can't remember the source
The ambiguous On Boethia's Summoning Day.
>>43885393
The Dragonborn God in totemic religion is defined as the first new god of the kalpa and the only survivor into the next. That's Talos right now.
>>43885599
>totemic religion
fuck, do i have to read that thing on MK's tumblr?
>>43885619
Among other places.
>>43885623
Was an ok read, cheers m8
>>43885713
Break it down for me - is it like the animal worship briefly gone over in Skyrim done by their pre-Nordic ancestors?
>>43875759
Why would she, she gets the first pick of the souls
>>43885896
Related, but this focuses more on talking about the general Nordic view of their gods, how they're worshiped, and how they're categorized. It's pretty short, and also the most recent thing MK posted on his tumblr. I bet you could understand it with minimal lore background.
seth
Ius
describe them GO
>>43878216
Six all the way, bro.
And yeah, that one guy who can't be bothered to spell check shits on the thread.
Anyone know if weapons with the hand to hand add on to natural weapons? This is UESRPG 2E, wondering what are the advantages to unarmed for my khajiit pc.
>>43886542
They should, by all sense.
I think.
Maybe.
>>43860741
What about rogue spell users?
They ARE Witchhunters.
>>43860927
Does Prequel really do Mysticism?
Is it the weird circuit board thing Katia learns from the ghost?
It's actually a thing and not some random stuff thrown together into cool circuit board magics?
>>43887856
Daggerfall is a scary game
>>43887760
It might not be fully lore accurate, as far as I know, but it's a good way of explaining it. The only other person who really ever talks about it is Sotha Sil, in an account that's historical fiction.
>>43885263
>enantiomorph
Why make up shit terms when there's perfectably serviceable ones from real life theology?
Just call it Trinitarianism.
I want to run a campaign on the premise of the Green Pact being broken.
Wood elves are now unstable shape-shifters again.
In their despair they chose varied paths to save them selves.
Some (however unlikely it seems) worshiped Azura and she turned them into Crow-Elves (Crow wings and talon feet but otherwise elves, also they still hate Khajeet)..
Some turned to worship Peryite who gave them two forms, one of kobold-like folk (mix of ratfolk, standard lizard and a small hint of their original form) and the other Serpentine-Draconic folk in his image who are able to transform back into their original elven guise.
Some turned to flee to Black-Marsh where they made a pact with the Hist becoming Marsh-Elves.
Hiricine was the most popular choice however and he gave them the guise of wolf people similar to the Khajeet with more distinct elven features visible (minimal animal parts, also they still hate the Khajeet).
A small group that was closer to the empire however requested aid from wizards across Tamriel and found house Telvani willing to help them along with the College of Winterhold.
They researched and found a way to control their shape shifting and giving them a permanent base form close to a mix of Dunmer and Nord features.
Now however i need new names for the Bosmer Sub-species that made here.
Also i need to find a reason why Yffre broke of the pact with the Bosmer.
Maybe the Khajeet or Thalmor (or both) destroyed a Tree formed from the remains of Yffre or a crazy Bosmer sorcerer decided to give his people ''Freedom''.
Also the new sub-groups need new specialties.
The Marsh elves get to keep the original Bosmer features (because they switched from worshiping magic trees to worshiping magic trees) except they don't have to follow a green pact any more, they are just forbidden from harming the Hist intentionally.
>>43889480
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/enantiomorph
>>43889511
I don't think you need to mess with the Green Pact to add those species to Tamriel. Why not just add druidism to the setting and say that various clans of Bosmer have adopted the guise and powers of their spirit totem animals?
In case you don't have a superb plot about the compromise of the Green Pact, I'd suggest stay away from it, since its a pretty huge deal. Correct me if I'm wrong but an equivalent change in racial history would be if somehow, the Dunmer went back to being Chimer. And that shit needs a great excuse.
>>43890042
MAAAGIC
It's not like the whole plot-line of Tes5 was a time-traveling Dragon-Hitler-Janitor--Necromancer fucking up by saving the guy who can banish him and doing fuck all while waiting to get offed.
>>43890121
I get what you're saying but MAAAGIC is not a great excuse. I mean if you want to play as beastfolk-elf races like that, just play DnD or something..? Or maybe it's just that I'm too conservative with the canon.
>>43890173
You know something like a big part of Valenwood being burned down somehow is enough to break the pact.
I wonder how they didn't think of it in an earlier game.
Now i just need ideas to facilitate how it happened.
>>43890222
An idea that never happened for either Oblivion, Skyrim, or the time period between them, I forget, was that Valenwood was overrun by a Wild Hunt and locked off.
Just recycle that.
>>43890222
But hasn't there already been large chunks of Valenwood taken by the empire for farmland?
>>43889796
None of which relates to the threefold Talos unity.
>>43890692
I believe the bosmer have to be the ones to break the pact.
>>43890709
>Mirror image, form related to another as an object is to its image in a mirror.
>Hortator and Sharmat, one and one, eleven, an inelegant number. Which of the ones is the more important? Could you ever tell if they switched places?
More important, it's not a made up term.
>>43886542
So im guessing no? Hand to hand says it complements unarmed, i cant figure what that means but sleeping on it i believe that they don't stack. Just fall under unarmed when using combat style.
If you guys haven't picked up UESRPG yet i would suggest it. There's so much lore and cool events that game ideas shouldn't be a problem. Besides beats the shit out of talking about MK or morrowind every weekend.
>>43869490
>first of the new gods
News to me, someone explain?
>>43891008
>Talos’ totem is the newest, but is everywhere – he is the Dragonborn Conquering Son, the first new god of this cycle, whose power is consequently unknown, so the Nords bless nearly everything with his totem, since he might very well be the god of it now, too. Yes, as first of the Twilight Gods, this practice might seem contradictory, but that’s only because, of all the gods, he will be the one that survives in whole into the next cycle.
This it? So what does this mean? Because honestly, the Kalpa stuff just confuses me. In what sense will the other Gods die?
Will it be literal or figurative? Right now I'm trying to piece stuff together and remember Kirkbride's lore, and my mind is just going "Fuck that shit".
>>43891442
I think the implication is that Talos will be the Lorkhan or Akatosh of the next kalpa, Shor son of Shor style. The next kalpa, as we know, which isn't happening.
>>43890709
The enantiomorph doesn't refer exclusively to Tiber septing mantling Lorkhan, nor does it really refer to the threefold unity thing; that's just the result of Talos achieving divinity by re-enacting the convention, whcih is in itself a form of enantiomorph.
The enantiomorph refer to any repetition of the rebel vs king motif, which is a constantly recurring thing in the lore. Anu and Padomay, Anuiel and Sithis, Lorkhan and Akatosh, Hortator and Sharmat, etc. All of it mirrors to events that occurred to the Godhead before the dream, and thus it keeps recurring throuought the dream.
>>43889142
>>43887760
It is accurate.
>>43891744
Also Sheo and CoC
>>43891826
Sheogorath and Jyggalag.
And Hjalti and Cuhlecain, Vivec and Nerevar, Trinimac and Boethiah, Jubal and Hir, Stuhn and Tsun (???).
>>43891961
Sheo and CoC actually.
Resulted in Skyrim's Sheo (blindness, you see?)
>>43892022
Huh, interesting. Sheo and Jyg counts too, though. Two for one.
>>43878216
10
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17
18
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These are the best Sermons, but if I were to pick one it would be 16
>>43891744
Can someone please point out where the Rebel v.s King bullshit actually finds grounding? Everything I see implies it is just thing v.s thing.
>>43892057
Rebel versus King means, simply, the betrayal of someone, usually by someone close to them; sometimes their roles switch. An observer is required to tell the difference between them, but is maimed.
Lorhkan becomes the missing god. The Tribunal is worshiped instead of Nerevar, the Hortator. Emperor Zero doesn't become Emperor of Tamriel, Tiber does. All betrayed.
>>43892180
Of course, the orthodox isn't always flawless.
It's like flipping a coin.
Sheo's King, Jygg's Rebel, Dyus or Haskil are Observer-Traitor.
During SI though, Sheo is King and decides to have the CoC mantle him, Jygg is still rebel, Dyus or Haskil is Observer-Traitor, and CoC eventualy becomes King.
So is CoC Lorkhan now?
Lorkhan's Sithis Shaped Hole of Sheogorath, and Lorkhan's Shezzarine of Pelin-El
>>43892958
The CoC is/was probably Sheogorath for at least a while. I don't know if they fully mantled Pelial.
They got closer than most people, but not as close as Talos.
