>Rules databases
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>FAQs
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>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
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>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
Shadowsun gets dawn bladed edition
Based Farsight is going to tear the Imperium a new blue asshole
>>43852479
Third for we will never forget you Pask
Oh shit, it's friday; time for wargames
>>43852518
>Pask ded
>Aun'va ded
>Named characters with models getting killed off
It's the end times, I tells ya! It's just like what happened in fantasy!
>>43852510
And shit on the Tau?
>>43852739
He indeed defeated the Imperium of Man in a massive war.
However the second part of the prophecy has him transforming into Mont'shaar after his victory. We don't know if that's really going to happen or not. Farsight spent two centuries trying to avoid that fate.
In any case, the Tau are safe now behind a wall of fire. Who knows what will happen to the Tau during the time it will take for the fire to burn out?
More spoilers for Mont'kaFarsight Enclaves re-merge with the Tau Empire, Shadowsun and him have split command of the Fire CasteShadowsun gets saved by Farsight from the Vindicaire assassinOne of the Eight, torchstar, dies to Shrike while saving Farsight, this is the only Farsight enclaves casualtyKhan finally gets to fight Shadowsun, she shoots his legs offIt's implied the Tau get access to the warp/webway for travelAn entire titan legion is destroyed before it makes landfall, the Earth Caste salvages EVERYTHINGThe Obsidian Knight doesn't make it to the Imperium's retreat, the Tau have to evacuate a CONTINENT to avoid himThe Obsidian Knight destroys an entire hunter contingent, including a cadre of stormsurges and a fucking manta
>>43852804
>It's implied the Tau get access to the warp/webway for travel
Soon.
>>43852479
Did guard get an update or something? I thought I heard some shit about that.
>>43852833
Yep lets ignore all those phalanxes and hordes of Daemons and Necrons pouring into the Webway to focus on the Tau.
It's not like Ahriman is this close to breaking open the Black Library.
Have you guys seen the black friday deals on the GW website?
>>43852804
Does it have rules for the Obsidian knight?
>>43852861
"deals"
I'm going to an apocalypse event and while I don't have the points for it there's a friendly dude who's letting me borrow 3000 points of his Tau.
I'm not going to cheese it to the max with optimized rape cadre and the like, but I'd like some input from you guys on what would be smart to bring.
So, any tips on putting together a 3000 points army list for apocalypse?
>>43852804
as a chaos player i admit i'm rather jealous at all the damage the tau have been doing to the loyalists or at least upsetting the players
Why does assault have to be so shit?
I hate guns.
>>43852901
Go play AoS
>>43852804
Okay, will this Warp access mean ANYTHING at all for Chaos to finally do something? Also I am still kinda dumbfounded with all this Tau win. Fluff wise if they put up anything like a fight of that extent against the Imperium, does the Imperium not have more than enough numbers and firepower to take care of them? This is where I would like to see something super interesting for the Tau. Does this Warp/Webway access have anything to do with it?
>>43852861
>all of them triple digits in price
>deals
They just want you to buy shit in bulk.
>>43852909
He said he wanted a game were assault wasn't shit, not a game where everything is shit.
>>43852901
Run Daemon Princes/Be'Lakor/melee Daemons.
>>43852886
If you use the hunter contingent then the sheer # of units will buff you considerably, as will the presence of big units. riptides and the like are always good, same with crisis, Formations make it harder to get those kroot walls, but easy enough to fill out a CAD with kroot to buffer your big robots, and outflank the big table.
>>43852886
Every suit in abundance, crisis, stealth, riptides, broadsides
Fire warriors
flyers
Vespid
hammerheads
skyrays
pathfinders
Firebase support cadre
retaliation cadre
infiltration cadre
>>43852944
All we know from this post is that you have not given close to anything of a real chance to AoS. But anyway arguing about is pointless cuz you haters lose every time since (surprise surprise) all your info's always wrong.
>>43852944
Assault is a shitty aspect of the game that should just get removed and left to rot with AoS.
>>43852901
the game has changed. now if you wanna be an assault army you need speed, powers, or durability. look at some of the best known assault units. marine bikers, thunderwolf cavalry, etc
oh and find someone not doing a shooting heavy army. though in my experience when i say i play daemons even the assault orientated marines shoot more
>>43852804
Welp.
This will certainly be interesting.
They are basically a mini Imperium now, what with their new acquisition of technology and possible warp travel.
I can see what they are doing, they are trying to make Tau a bigger galactic player, and warp travel/ webway travel will do exactly that.
>>43852804
M A R Y S U E S
>>43852924
It's funny because CHAOS would fuck the Tau all the way back to T'au. They can't do anything against psykers except for "kill the psyker," and fat lot of good that'll do against deamons.
>>43852853
>Ahriman
>Getting in the Black Library
How many fucking times has that bumbling fuckwit failed at that? He's becoming a Dick Dastardly-esque cartoon, eternally failing to catch that pigeon.
>>43852959
operationalize " given close to anything of a real chance to AoS".
How many games do you need to play before you can say it's shit? How many different missions with how many different armies?
I know you're just a shitposter trying to turn 40k general in to AoS hate-wank but it truly is a bad game.
>>43852924
Why would Chaos give a fuck about Tau? as for the Tau winning, before they were even an army the Imperium was stretched to it's limit, so now that they are stronger than a chapter, and still the smallest macro scale threat in the area, the Imperium won't be able to siphon off the resources necessary to deal with them, at least not immediately, give the administratum a generation or two, then we will see the weeaboo-slaughtering campaign.
>>43852984
>killing the psyker does nothing
actually it cuts some of the warp support or stops the summoning and daemons die if wounded enough.
>>43852909
>>43852963
eat shit taudarcron faggots
>>43852804
>Khan finally gets to fight Shadowsun, she shoots his legs off
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Hell, that applies to the Imperium's entire decision to even bother with this attack.
>>43852959
Kindly go back to your general.
In any event, what's the best list one could make out of Imperial Armies to take on the new Tau hotness?
>>43852984
Actually, Tau technology is often enough to wreck the daemons back into the Warp.
The Imperium was the greatest enemy of the Tau. Now it's defeated and will collapse in a few decades.
>>43853019
Oh great it's you.
I'll come back in a day.
>>43853019
Along with the rest of Galaxy.
>>43852997
>but it truly is a bad game.
No, it's an abysmally shit wargame, but as far as games go it's still vaguely better than Playmobil.
>>43853019
>Now it's defeated and will collapse in a few decades.
Shut up water caste
>>43852997
I clearly said I don't want to start this cuz it always ends the same way (you'll have the haters claim something completely wrong, the sheep will be like "AoS BTFO it does suck", someone who actually knows their shit about AoS proves everyone wrong, then all the haters/sheep stfu.) It's getting tiring and every AoS thread is this and ppl saying that it's not bad when you give it a chance. You wanna take pot shots at AoS, do it at the containment thread for it. Keep that shit away from here.
>>43853019
>The Imperium was the greatest enemy of the Tau. Now it's defeated and will collapse in a few decades.
>>43853001
>so now that they are stronger than a chapter,
Hahaha..
The Warzone Damocles is among the major warzone in the galaxy. The tank warfare there is among the largest the Imperium EVER fought.
>>43853011
If the Tau continued unopposed, then they would have grasped a sizeable chunk of the Imperium.
Are Blood Claws worth taking at all? Or is it just better to spend those points on Grey Hunters? I'm not looking to powergame my army, but I want my first 750 points to be a little versatile.
>>43852964
Aside from being weaker, the whole assault phase could use a rework, as it is the clunkiest and most boring part of the game atm, any sort of choice added to the actual fighting in close combat would go a long way to improving the phase.
>>43853043
Warning: high levels of delusion contained in this post
>>43852804
So, to sum up, the Imperium has been BTFO on literally every level by an enemy that it outnumbers 1000 to 1. They lost battlefields, irreplacable war machines, and some of their greatest heroes while the Tau humiliated Imperium units at their specialties, nullified all of their preexisting weaknesses, and suffered exactly one loss of significance that's still a win for them because of the resultant shakeup.
I swear, the only person who comes out of this looking worse than the Imperium is Abaddon. If this is the best the Imperium can do, he has no excuse for not bombarding Terra right now.
>>43853036
Playmobil isn't a wargame though, at least not how I imagine it's played.
>In the grim darkness of playmobil there is only war.
>>43853032
Optimism says that the shitstorm won't destroy the entire galaxy. The Tau will emerge from their imprisonment to a new galaxy though. Better or worse one, who could say?
>>43852804
>Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight.
>>43852924
How are the people still not grasping that the Imperium is up to their ears in shit? Chaos alone outnumber them vastly and are currently hammering on their door, and if they get through the Imperium is finished. At this moment in time, they can't handle Chaos on their own, nevermind deal with a major WAAAGH! or Hive Fleet. The fact they are sparing ANYONE to fight a comparatively benign race is suicidally stupid. Just because you have a fuck tonne of guys doesn't mean you can wipe out a smaller faction when you are simultaneously fighting 3 other races who are all individually more numerous than you.
As an Imperial Fist Space Marine player, what would people say is 'too much' when equipping your tactical squads at say 1500-2000?
>>43853052
>The tank warfare there is among the largest the Imperium EVER fought.
kek
we've gone a while without Tau hate, no bait/wank please.
>>43853089
But anon the Tau are a moral threat to the Imperium that is equally dangerous to Chaos's threat to the Imperium's faith.
>>43853071
>hater detected
>>43853098
A Rhino, and MAYBE a special weapon or heavy.
You want to make use of your Chapter Tactics bro.
>>43852804
>Shadowsun gets saved by Farsight from the Vindicaire assassin
Did theyhold handsafter that?
>>43853102
It's outright stated in this weeks White Dwarf, you mook.
>>43853089
Don't worry Blood Angels will call in some support from the Necrons
>>43853001
Their total lack of psyker/warp knowledge while having access to it/using it implies some level of Chaos possibly hitting them on way or another.
Tau are near Daomcles which has WAY MORE than enough to beat down the Tau. Some real next level shit is needed here.
>>43853089
That doesn't matter. Damocles has a fuck ton of mech shit that can take care of Tau. Imperium won't be overrun if they send something sizable from there.
>>43853071
Come over to the AoS General. I wanna talk 40k here.
>>43853052
>then they would have grasped a sizeable chunk of the Imperium.
OH NO! Annexed by a tiny, not genocidal race that is sometimes our ally. Better reroute some cadians away from defending against that omnicidal force of nature. The Imperium is so huge it can survive losing some bumblefuck region of space. It can't survive the astronomicon blipping out and everything becoming daemons.
>>43852804
>they just happen to kill off a Tau char with tons of waifu art
>>43853081
Well, AoS is as bad as a wargame as little toy soldiers without rules, if you prefer.
>>43852901
Because gun-nuts hate it and they are calling the shots for some reason
>>43853073
>an enemy that it outnumbers 1000 to 1
you do realize that the Imperium can't bring even a modest portion of it's force to bear right? The Tau could never hold Imperial space, the general fuckery the Imperium fights on the daily would wreck the Tau, however the Imperium had literally nothing to spare on the Tau, and are fighting at the expense of giving ground to 'Nids, Orkz and Chaos elsware.
>>43853124
>Clash of Armor
(picture related)
Imperialfags not knowing the fluff? Of course.
Would be nice if GW wrote the lore concerning battles by playing the game and writing from there. Instead it's just railroading and saying "okay now this side is 'winning'"
>>43853127
Tau and AoS are about on the same scale so disscussing either shits up the thread no matter what
>>43853146
>however the Imperium had literally nothing to spare on the Tau
Lies.
The force sent against the Tau was HUGE. The Imperium clearly saw the Tau as the greater threat in the east.
>>43853124
Thought that was the biggest for the Tau? don't have it on me. If you care you can post a pic, because people will care what a sentence in WD says compared to codex, expansions and BL right?
>>43853129
Imperial logicians have predicted that if the Tau advance is not stopped, they will double their holdings in a few years.
That's like 100-300 worth of worlds, anon!
>>43853161
Except all this Tau discussion makes sense cuz Montka idiot.
>>43853001
>so now that they are stronger than a chapter
Imperial fags are utter cancer.
>>43852909
Is it true you can shoot the enemy during CC in AoS?
>>43853181
But what if that's multiplocative anon?
>>43853178
You
see
>>43853148
ONE OF THE LARGEST TANK BATTLES EVER FOUGHT
When Imperium tank warfare history is written down. The battle for Agrellan will be up there with Armegeddon and Tallarn.
>>43853088
He's like the embodiment of the Inverse Ninja Law. The Tau can slaughter an entire Crusade, but the one single Knight that's left is too much for them.
>>43852804
>Khan finally gets to fight Shadowsun, she shoots his legs off
God, if I were a White Scar player I'd be embarrassed. Gentlemen, are we looking at the Imperium's biggest kek?
>>43853203
He's the hero we need and deserve.
>>43853162
>The force sent against the Tau was HUGE.
yeah, and it was all diverted from other warzones, the point is that the Imperium is occupied and they don't have any size advantage when all their excess is already in use.
>>43853192
How does that change the fact that it still shits up the thread as much as AoS disscussion, are you american?
>>43853192
All this talk about the Lore surrounding Kauyon and Mont'ka will go away eventually but all the flack Tau players get for their armylist won't unforunately
>>43853205
She must shooted his dick off as well.
>>43853089
The worst part is the Warp interdiction missile thing. They used it on the race that is basically Warp storm-proof. Not, say, the fucking Cadian Gate, where blocking Warp travel would give the Imperium desperately needed breathing room. They used it on the race it will have next to no effect on. And you just know the technology will never get mentioned again either.
>>43853073
They lost two named heroes to the Imperium's one. One of the Eight no less. In exchange they gained some ground. But of course, Imperial fans still complain because they're used to being allowed to slaughter entire craftworlds and permakill Greater Daemons with no repercussion whatsoever.
>>43853197
There is no "close combat" per se
Units within 3" of an enemy unit have to "retreat" in the movement phase or "pile in and attack" in the assault phase but it doesn't effect them in the shooting phase so they can shoot the guys they're engaged with or even ignore them and shoot someone else.
>>43853240
Ordos Xenos Inquisitors say that the Tau are a threat at the same level as the Tyranids and Necrons.
In their eyes it was worth it.
>>43853205
why does gw keep ignoring the fact hes white scar and hes supposed to be on a bike? you cant get your legs shot off if youre on a bike
also his model is supposed to be on a bike ffs
>>43853205
This is why you never run him without his bike. ALWAYS take him with his bike, y'all. Or else this happens.
>>43853217
I think the thread's fine minus your pathetic AoS potshots. Stop being stubborn, join in the discussion or gtfo.
>>43853225
That's for another day. For what it's worth Tau make my big 3 of the best models GW makes alongside Dark Eldar and Sisters of Battle so I still like them despite not running an army of them.
>>43853241
>being allowed to slaughter entire craftworlds
And Biel-Tan defeated 10 chapters.
>>43853240
I don't know if that'd fuck with the Black Crusade that much. The Traitor Legions have sailed through warp storms safely before, boons from the Dark Gods and all that.
>>43853318
Abaddon has a hard time getting in and out of the Eye each time he wants to do something in the galaxy.
>>43853241Aun'va'sdearh strengthens the Tau.Torchstarwas there to fill a number. He was no more important than Pask, possibly less, but still died like a hero fighting a Chapter Master, while Pask went down like a bitch to a pair of generic tanks.
>>43853290
People wouldn't have to talk about AoS if they didn't kill fantasy for that shit.
Once it crashes and fails they'll have no choice but to bring fantasy battles back and dump all their sigmarine and khorne memebound nonsense so it's not like it matters in the long run.
>>43853295
>A mobile planet of billions of superhumans defeated ten thousand superhumans
And? There are probably ten thousand Reapers and Banshees alone on Biel-Tan, and they exist for the sole purpose of fucking up MEQ. It's literally the biggest military the Eldar have.
>>43853019
Fuck off carnac
>>43853343
>if they didn't kill Fantasy
So target the anger and frustration on the guys who made the decision to can Fantasy not the guys who made AoS. Canning Fantasy was indeed dumb as shit especially with how very different AoS is from it.
>>43853353
Biel-Tan is nowhere close to being that numerous.
>>43853362
Explain to me how the Imperium is going to survive the Tyranids, Necrons, Orks, and worse of all the the 13th Black Crusade?
Also explain to me how you can't read because what's written in first sentence of that post is almost the same as in the picture?
>>43853353
They also destroyed dozens of imperium planets in order to stop tyranids.
>>43853066
yeah, you're right. shooting doesn't have many downsides while cqc has tons. i would add in the 6th nightfighting rules where you can't see more then 36" without searchlights or nightvision. adding in pinning to all templates might help as well. let units assault the turn they disembark if the vehicle didn't move. flying monstrous creatures can change flight modes and assault. let units with fleet run and assault. also jump/jetpack units do this because let's face it there is little reason to use a jump pack when bikes offer more
>>43853343
what if gw plans for AoS to fail so they can turn it into a specialist game?
>>43853241
>permakill greater daemons
wait, what? even the grey knights can't do that, they gotta contain them in places
>>43853241
>they're used to being allowed to slaughter entire craftworlds and permakill Greater Daemons with no repercussion whatsoever.
I'm not sure what setting you're looking at. The Chapter who killed a small, weakened Craftworld was subsequently flattened by Biel-Tan. Not familiar with the GD the Imperium permakilled, but I do recall that temporarily killing Angron cost 100 Grey Knights, along with the countless Guardsmen and Astaetes killed in the preceding battles.
The Imperium hasn't won an unambiguous victory since Ullanor.
>>43853408
>The Imperium hasn't won an unambiguous victory since Ullanor.
Lies.
Damnos was resounding victory.
>flattened by Biel-Tan.
It was Alaitoc, IIRC.
>>43853337
>Torchstar
>he
>>43853393
Once again, and? Are you going to complain about Biel-Tan using the Fireheart on no name planets while the imperium yells EXTERMINATUS at the drop of a hat?
>>43853422
>Lies
>LIES
>LIIIEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
If you weren't so fucking obnoxious in the way you posted most people wouldn't have a problem with you.
>>43853426
It doesn't matter, you can't tell the difference between male and female tau, the are all ugly.
>>43853427
>yells EXTERMINATUS at the drop of a hat?
Lies!
The Imperium does not order at EXTERMINATUS unless it was a state of emergency.
>>43853429
You know who it is yet you still fucking respond. I hate you more than I do carnac, at least he can't help his terrible affliction, you have no excuse.
>>43853448
Fair point, I soz.
>>43853426
My mistake. But, in my defence, Lexicanum can't keep Torchstar's sex consistent from sentence to sentence either.
>>43853381
>Biel-Tan is nowhere close to being that numerous.
Read either the Phil Kelly interview on craftworld numbers or the iyanden supplement. Billions has been the ballpark figure for major craftworlds for a long time and Biel-tan is canonically the most populous craftworld outside of pre-fall Iyanden. These are planet sized ships. My city alone has a population of millions.
Is it worth taking an inferno pistol?
>>43853448
>>43853455
It's all fair and good but you guys agree that that Return to Damnos Campaign was a major victory for the Imperium and that its writing was a hamfisted fest of asspulls?
There is also Pandorax which is an Imperial victory.
>>43853472
too expensive for what they do
>>43853468
I trust Loremaster Gav more.
>>43853472
No. You'd be lucky to fire it even once.
Take a Combi-Melta instead.
>>43853472
No.
>>43853494
Gav can suck his own dick with his Khaine as Slanny's and Khorne's child.
>>43853408
>He thinks the Imperium has only killed one craftworld
>>43853249
So it is actually even more shooting friendly than 40k?
>>43853444
And they actually have a check and balance system in place for its use. Inquisitors who call in Exterminatus can face the Ordo Excorium, who judge whether or not the planet was unsalvagable. It's the one thing they can be held to account on.
IIRC, the Ordo runs something like an 80% conviction rate. Make of that what you will.
>>43853514
>Taking the bait
>>43853472
Yes, compare it to an eviscerator.
>must assault the vehicle
>2 armourbane attacks
>25 points
vs
>can shoot the vehicle then assault the passengers
>1 armourbane attack per pistol
>15 points each
Taking two in a death company squad isn't a bad idea even just for popping rhinos or the like to get into the meat inside, but if you know your opponent isn't bringing light vehicles they're pointless.
>>43853541
This is awful advice. Melta pistols have offensively short range and will never be used. And you can only charge what you shoot meaning even if you did pop the vehicle you still couldn't assault what is inside.
Would it be cool to take 2-3 exorcists at 1500 points in a casual game?
>>43853558
not disagreeing with the validity of melta pistols but,
>And you can only charge what you shoot meaning even if you did pop the vehicle you still couldn't assault what is inside.
is wrong.
They should have made a Tau vs ork campaign instead.
Have them gain worlds on several ork empire thanks to the infighting of flamboyant ork tyrants at the cost of having the remaining orks of the region starting to unite.
I fear it's tau vs imperium because you can't have anything happening in 40k without the imperium being involved.
>>43853558
Wrong. You can always charge the contents of a transport you wrecked
>>43853525
It's hard to say when there's not limit on what you can bring.
Melee units charge by determining how far they can go then picking a target within range so they is no risk and no overwatch.
>>43853572
>>43853577
You can? I'm going to murder my roommate.
>>43853558
They're short range but still better than getting into assault to deal damage to vehicles. BA are all about getting the charge off, even really good units like death company can crumple when counter charged. They're worth their points when you have a fair idea you'll be facing chimera, rhino, raider or trukk spam.
>>43853481
The Imperium won on Damnos but it did nothing more than restore status quo ante. Less the casualties. That's what I was getting at with Ullanor, it's the last time I know of that the Imperium won more than it lost. Everything since has been heroic stands or pyrrhic victories both primarily against foes who won't get worn down.
>>43853560
sure, though i'd be surprised to see sisters at all. i think i saw a sisters army once before
>>43853573
maybe, but orks aren't a major threat most of the time and now the tau are getting ranked higher in the threat level
>>43853593
just make sure you offer up his skull to khorne when you're done.
>>43853577
What you said is misleading.
Units CAN charge a unit that was forced to disembark a wrecked transport.
However, the unit that destroyed the transport CANNOT charge any units because its target unit was killed in shooting.
Inferno pistols a shit.
>>43853637
Wait now I'm confused... is my roommate right? Before I kill him?
>>43853481
Pandorax is a bit of a wierd case. The Imperium did hold the planet, but Abaddon got everything he really wanted out of the campaign without losing anything he cared to have. Instead of everyone losing, everyone won. Except Corpulax and Epimetheus. They lost pretty badly.
>>43852852
Guard got some fancy new formations with the latest Tau book, and AFAIK they're still due for a new 'dex soon-ish.
>>43853637
your still wrong
>>43853655
You can only charge things you shot at.
Or if you didn't shoot, you can charge at anything in range.
>>43853670
Then cite it.
>>43853671
So then if you blew up the transport you can't charge what's inside.
>>43853691
with that same unit that poped the transport? No.
>>43853738
rekt
>>43853738
I was looking for that everywhere in the BRB, damn it that was well concealed.
>>43853738
yay proofs
>>43853766
under how vehicle destroyed results affect passengers
for future reference
Right, I am looking to make my own Blood Ravens descendants, so, I made some Psyker-heavy chapter tactics to complement them in friendly games:
1) All Vehicles, Characters and Independant Characters may take a 25-point upgrade to gain "Psyker: Mastery Level 1" or "Psychic Pilot: Mastery Level 1" if the warlord of the army takes this upgrade, they get "Psyker: Mastery Level 2" their melee weapon then gains the "Force" special rule
2) Detatchment may not include Librarians
Essentially, they are based on a planet that the Tyrant Star has visited an alarmingly large amount of times (then again, 1 time is an alarmingly large amount of times) so, there is a VERY high Psyker presence on the planet.
Is this too OP?
>>43853789
Yeah, I looked in transport and assault, even under the "emergency disembark from wrecked or destroyed vehicles" and it didn't say anything.
>>43853584
Charging in AoS is 2d6" just like in 40k.
>>43853810
Yeah but you roll 2d6 for each unit and then declare a charge for units with in that range.
>>43853847
Yeah, but there's still risk involved. If you move up and roll a shitty charge range you'll get wrecked by counter-charges or close-range shooting.
It may be a terrible game but it's not completely braindead.
>>43853868
But that's what would happen anyway, you still get counter-charged and you still get shot. It just means you get in to combat one turn earlier.
>>43852804
>It's implied the Tau get access to the warp/webway for travel
Why they had it not earlier?
Why are Librarians so badass, /tg/?
>>43852804
well at least a shitty waifu character bites it, but merging the enclaves is fucking retarded
>>43853738
Where in the fuck what do you play in Saskatchewan?
>>43852804
Nope. Just nope.
I went to my local GW today, and the awesome dude who works there let me have a quick look at the new rulebook, because I'm playing Farsight enclave, and he's a real bro.
The Eight are still a formation. So that would imply that none of them actually dies.
Also, Farsight gets a formation including 3 Ghostkeel units. Hide yo Russ, hide yo Banevlades.
I heard the Enclave gets their own codex in February.
>>43853738
>If a Transport is destroyed by a shooting attack, any unit that shot it that turn can, if allowed, charge the now disembarked passengers.
This is most excellent of news! My Trygon Prime will be adding canned food to his diet
>>43853931
because they are psykers i guess?
>>43854042
I mean, that's part of the appeal I guess but there's just something about a Space Marine going into combat with a book, sword, bolter and magic that really speaks to me on a thematic level
Why are my imperial bros getting so butthurt about the Tau?
They gave us a bloody nose. it happens. We didn't hold back the night for ten thousand years by crying over it.
>>43853958
Yeah. There's a decent community in regina.
>>43854090
My meta is Tau-heavy and they won't fucking shut up about how "superior" their faction is.
How many pieces of top tech technology has the Imperium lost in this campaign vs the Tau? Spaceships, Titans, Knights, and a bloody superweapon.
>>43854115
How competitive is it? I recently moved here.
>>43854090
>>43854157 has the right of it. As with all such situations, the faction is less the problem than the fans. They were endlessly infuriating even without legitimate arguments. Can you imagine now?
![s-l500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ww9Mgba.jpg "s-l500[1].jpg")
What's the cheapest one can get an in-box Wyvern right now?
Ebay seems to bottom out at $45, or thereabouts. I was hoping for something in the 30s, but it's a new model, isn't it?
What would an assault based tyranid army look like?inb4 dead
>>43854212
several mawlocs and a bunch of dead tyranids
>>43854212
>Tyranids
>assault in 7th ed
no, just no
>>43853738
Yes!!! Thank you!!!
I can go back to kicking my roommates ass.
Who is that Obsidian Knight people keep talking about? He sounds quite badass.
>>43853162
It's a pretty small force compared to the Imperium as w hole, which is the point. The Imperium has 10 000 times the amount of planets as the Tau, but their worlds are spread thinly and surrounded from all sides by enemies, so they could never send their entire military might against the Tau. The Tau don't have to be able to defeat the entire Imperium, just whatever crusade the Imperium can muster against them. The second Damocles Gulf Crusade is certainly a quite large crusade, with multiple Marine Chapter, countless guard regiments and an entire Titan Legion, and represents a significant investment to a single warzone by the Imperium, but it's still a very small part of the overall forces Imperium has spread through the galaxy.
>>43853203
He's probably the biggest sue in the book when you look at it. Sure, he's mostly in the background, rather tha Shadowsun who'se all front and center, but he's a super mysteriour dark Knight who can appear out of nowhere, survive what should be certain destruction and appear on a completely different planet, cause Tau to shit their pants just by being there and destroy entire armies, including a superheavy flyer that it could in game only hurt with a heavy stubber and that carries weapons that can blow it up in a single round.
>>43854235
>tyranids
>in general
nah, jus nah
>>43854157
Yep.
Whatever sells models right, you get to smugly remind them they bought in to the hype.
>>43854247
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Obsidian+Knight+
>>43854192
Eh. I wouldn't define it as competitive. There are a few people (myself included >.>) who are of a more competitive mindset, but for the most part its pretty casual.
>>43854090
They didn't get a bloody nose, they got BTFO.
Raven guard got near DESTROYED.
White scars are down for the count and their chapter master is in a dreadnought.
Assassins got blasted after only killing a minor character.
The best tank ace in the whole imperium got taken out by some nobodies while longstrike laughed at him.
They had to unpack some super seckret plot missile to justifying why the tau don't just carry on rolling over the imperium at this point.
>>43854212
100% Melee oriented? It would look like abad idea
>>43854252
>He's probably the biggest sue in the book when you look at it.
he's the tau empire to the tau's imperium, just on a micro level
>>43852984
Not true think about it the other way cause they have no signature in the warp they cant be affected by it which means no Tau ever turning to Chaos which is one of Chaos main strength vs most foes such as the Imperium
>>43852894
Eh, we've killed trillions and turned entire planets into giant screaming demons just because we could. Let the Tau have their moment.
I'm considering getting a Landraider Redeemer for my Blood Angels army. I already have 3 stormravens and I wonder if they do the job of terminator delivery just as well as a land raider.
Are land raiders worth their points? Lance weapons don't care about AV 14, Gauss strips hull points, Tau can bring tons of Str 10 weapons.
>>43854303
Tau have a signature in the Warp, it's just very weak.
Please post funny 40k memes.
>>43853609
The thing is that thematically the Imperium is supposed to be slowly falling apart. There are some cases where they do gain new ground (such as establishment of new sectors, or reclaiming worlds that have been lost for a long time), but generally they're getting pyrrhic victories at most.
The high point of the Imperium was during the Great Crusad,e when the Emperor still walked among men and had a vision of a unified galaxy and a golden age of humanity. The the Heresy happened and everything got fucked up forever. Now the Imperium is a mockery of the Emperor's vision, slowly falling apart from outside threats and inside corruption (both the Chaos kind and just the rules being more concerned with their own wellbeing than actually running this).
40k is, and has never been, a HFY setting. It's not a story of humanity relaiming the galaxy and stomping all the xenos. The Imperium is the Roman empire before its fall, barely holding the growing hordes of barbarians gathering outside the gates.
>>43854323
>it's just very weak.
to the point where we have no Tau cultists afaik.
>>43854212
It would look like a series of zone mortalis walls, most of the time.
>>43854090
>>43854277
It's this mainly for me.
As neither a Taufag or Imperialfag what annoys me is just how fucking stupidly impossible the whole thing is.
The Imperium wasn't just given a bloody nose, it was rekt and sent packing. Now, I'm all for smaller forces overcoming larger does when it's well written or makes sense (Zulu is a good example of this even... Different discussion nvm)
But this was neither well written or believable. The Imperium outnumbered the Tau to such a fucking hilarious extent that Tau should should have been wiped by sheer numbers and brutal goddamn attrition. But they didn't. In fact they kicked ass and forced the Imperium to deploy forgotten and forbidden technologies to stop them. All the while making some of the Imperiums heavyweights look like chumps. And again, while I don't care if characters die, it has to be well done. Which it wasn't.
I liked the first crusade because the Imperium beat the shit out of the Tau and made them lose a load of territory. It was only brought to a standstill because of Shadosun and Farsight both managing to barely hold it off. And even then they were saved by a hive fleet.
This was just stupid. Unbelievable and stupid. And the fluff of the Obsidian Knight was stupid too, as badass as it sounded first reading it.
Rant over.
Scans of the forgeworld book when?
>>43854353
sounds like a mad imperialfag to me lmao :^)
>>43854379
Eldar and daemons actually.
I don't like bad writing.
>>43854277
>Assassins got blasted after only killing a minor character.
They killed Aun'va, who is the supreme leader of the entire Tau Empire. Sure, he's not exactly often seen on the tabletop, but fluffwise he's massively important. It's the equivalent of somebody assasinating the pope or the president of the USA (or both combined, really, as he's both the supreme leader of the empire and their spiritual leader). You know how badly Tau tend to react to any ethereal getting killed? The moral blow of Aun'va dying would be orders of magnitude worse.
You fluff fags are so amusing.
It's funny reading how worked up you get over words in a poorly written 40k supplement.
>>43854353
>unbelievable
>40k
wat...?
>>43854388
nice try impbabby, tau are the goodest and best ever XDI thought :^) was recognized as the international "I'm shitposting" symbol
>>43854403
Ah right I didn't pick up on that sorry.
>>43854393
>unbelievable
Even by 40ks standards.
>>43854390
>They launch his body into the damocles firestorm for the ultimate viking burial
>>43854432
That was so fucking metal my pubes turned to steel.
>>43854353
As mentioned before, the Imperium can't throw all of its forces against the Tau. Even if they massively outnumber them, the Imperium has its forces spread through the galaxy and is fighting enemies on all sides, including several threats considerably more dangerous than the Tau. They threw as big of a force as they could muster in a reasonable time without diverting forces from other imporant warzones, but said force wasn't big enough to crush the Tau outright and ended up being defeated.
Same thing happened with the first Damocles crusade (they made good progress initially, but by the time they reached the first major sept world they got bogged down due to difficulties with getting reinforcements fast enough to replace losses, and by the time the Imperium decided that the resources sent to support the crusade that hadn't made any progress for a long time could be better spend to fight the Tyranids they Imperial forces were actually getting pushed back).
You know tournaments are cancer when you have to award points in sportsmanship so that people aren't completely shitty towards each other during games.
>>43854390
They can go all North Korea and pretend that he's still alive. They have no shortage of tools to do that until they find a suitable replacement.
>>43854447
Yeah well I was under the impression that they didn't need to throw all of their forces at it as Tau barely registers as a blip on the galactic scale and the Imperium is xboxhueg.
But whatever fotm, creators pet, etc.
>>43854432
>firestorm is AP1
>he takes no damage
Just a mummy floating around hell for the rest of eternity.
>>43854457
I only play tournaments now because the GW I play at gives out sportsmanship prizes and I pick them up all the time from being gracious and playing orks. You have no idea how many times I've been apologised to after one large ignores cover blast deletes my lootas or whatever.
>>43854432
>>43854443
You mean the Damocles WARP-firestorm?
>He comes back from the dead as flaming zombie pope
>>43854488
>While Iron Maiden or some shit plays in the background.
>>43852804>Khan finally gets to fight Shadowsun, she shoots his legs off
Her pornstar days are over...who am I kidding? I know there are weirdos who are turned on by amputees.
>>43854157
Yeah tau players are the worst.
Why can't everyone be chill like ork players?
>>43854498
But it is khan's leg, no?
>>43854515
Oh fuck, I misread.
>>43854390
So? Imagine if a High Lord was killed. Every time that happens, the resultant civil war is what does real damage, and if it was a xeno instead of another Lord, that wouldn't even happen. The Tau are more reasonable about the whole thing, they can replace him seamlessly, and without Aun'va's grudge, they reintegrated the Enclaves. The Tau are better off with him dead. Even the Imperial win does more for the Tau than for the Imperium.
>>43854498
Khan got his legs shot off.
Maybe this means they will give us a Khan model actually ON HIS FUCKING BIKE.
>>43852804
>Tau lose nothing
>M-muh-muh jane dough ;-;
Can we stop pretending they weren't a nistake of a race?
>>43852804
>Farsight Enclaves re-merge with the Tau Empire, Shadowsun and him have split command of the Fire Caste
>Shadowsun gets saved by Farsight from the Vindicaire assassin
>One of the Eight, torchstar, dies to Shrike while saving Farsight, this is the only Farsight enclaves casualty
>Khan finally gets to fight Shadowsun, she shoots his legs off
>It's implied the Tau get access to the warp/webway for travel
>An entire titan legion is destroyed before it makes landfall, the Earth Caste salvages EVERYTHING
>mfw
>The Obsidian Knight doesn't make it to the Imperium's retreat, the Tau have to evacuate a CONTINENT to avoid him
>The Obsidian Knight destroys an entire hunter contingent, including a cadre of stormsurges and a fucking manta
S A V I N G G R A C E
I still demand blood and vengeance! Obsidian Knight, go forth and render Imperial Justice on the Tau!
>>43852894
Your codex will always suck and there will never be any new models. Just like the Sisters.
>>43854388
>Eldar
>I don't like bad writing
>>43854313
>muh kayoss
>>43854476
>Tau barely registers as a blip on the galactic scale and the Imperium is xboxhueg.
They did throw a huge amount of forces that's prettu much comparable to the forces that are currently defending the Cadian Gate.
The High Lords of the Imperium, as of Kauyon and Mont'ka, considers the Tau a major threat.
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>>43854277
>best tank ace in the imperium
Please. Pask is one man, from one regiment, from one planet. The codex just gave him a profile because he's Cadian.
You know what I like about the imperium? The fact that there's no way in all the stars that Pask is unique. The imperium is too big to even FEEL losing him.
Ten million planets, half a billion regiments, a hundred BILLION guardsmen. even if one in a MILLION is a tank ace, that gives us ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND tank aces.
This, xenos scum, is why the imperium endures. No matter who we lose, there is ALWAYS someone that can step up to take their place. It doesn't matter that your guns are better, and your tactics are better, and whatever other sorry excuse you can come up with to delay the inevitable. Quantity has a quality all its own, and we have the industry and the manpower to BURY YOU in it.
You are a horsefly drawing blood from the ear of a MAN. You may freely count the time you have before we swat you like the bug you are.
>>43854522
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
>>43854522
>>43854498
As if the Ahab hunting a White Whale reference wasn't blatant enough in the previous book.
>>43854525
Jane dough?
>>43854525
>Leader of your entire race
>One of your top 8 warriors
>Nothing
Okay.jpeg.
>>43854361
with scan of the 7th ed CSM dex
>>43854537
Right.
That makes it even dumber, actually.
>>43854157
Where I am it's Chaos and orks players.
>>43854533
Trust me it pisses me off there too.
>>43852963
Black Templars will reign supreme! Mark my words you coward with an overcompensatory stick!
>>43854393
Tau arent even canon to me. I dont pay attention to them, or even consider them when discussing or thinking about the 40k universe.
They were shoe-horned in to the game appeal to the weaboo demographic. It was a business decision. Now that we see how many anime fags and waac tards all flock to it, Im sure we'll see Tau take a higher profile.
Which fits the corporate feel of the game these days.
>>43852804
Wait hold on, is Mont'ka out yet?
Because if not, the severe lack of proofs in this post makes me doubt it legitimacy.
After all, you make no mention of the ad mech, despite the fact we know they will play a role in the conflict, as proven by the white dwarf leak.
>>43854457
Well the guys who genuinely aren't shitty deserve to be awarded.
So... how does Aun'Va die?
I'm going to assume the characters being killed off, will be replaced with new plastics come their next updates.
>>43854580
Boy gee you sound like a fun and balanced individual.
>>43854252
>Mysterious unkillable warrior
>More powerful than the entire Crusade that was killed around him
>Acquires Tau-esque plot armor after defeating many of them in battle
Obsidian Knight confirmed as the Highlander
>>43854544
probably meant to say 'jane doe'
which is likely a reference to how torchstar is basically just a generic crisis suit
>>43854598
So the opposite of tau?
>>43854476
Theoretically yes, but in practice that would be hard. The Imperium does have about 10 000 time number of planets (around a million vs around a hundred) but that still doesn't necessarily mean they have enough forces availeable to easily crush the Tau. They're constantly fighting against rebellion, Orks, various xenos raiders, not to mentiong big threats like Chaos incrusions and the Nids. Mustering the amount of forces that could easily crush the Tau completely would require leaving a lot of sectors poorly defended and vulnerable to other threats, and drawing smaller amounts of forces from all over the Imperium wouldn't be practical because warp travel over long distances isn't know for being particularly fast or reliable.
That's not to say the Imperium would be content to leave the Tau around. They do want them dead and consider them to be a big potential threat (they're not a big threat now, but their technology advances rapidly enough that they could be in a few centuries), so they did throw the biggest force they could reasonably assemble in a reasonable time (with Tau, waiting for a few centuries to gather a bigger foce isn't very practial because they actually do advance their tech and by that time your information on their capabilities is outdated and the force might no longer be sufficient to crush them outright), which amounted to a pretty large crusade.
>>43854580
>This fucking anal pain
>Because a dime a dozen tank commander died
>>43854538
At least this guy gets it.
>>43854586
It's not out officially, but some people have "special favour" with the individual stores. Generally the books and models arrive some days earlier to the store.
>>43854271
Well, I haven't played in years, but am looking to get back into it. You guys play Sunday, right? I'll try to start making it.
>>43854601
Nah, it's clear that it actually one of the primarchs in a knight.
My money's on corax, cause of the whole black color scheme. Plus it would explain why the knight hates the tau so much
>>43854580
Seriously? They were designed to appeal to Americans. It even said outright in their Designer article in White Dwarf back in 2000 - knights in space, affix bayonets, etc were all considered very British things by GW, while "The Tau with their clean, near future, almost 'manga' technology" and focus on mobile firepower would appeal to the American demographic, according to Graham McNeil back when he was in the Design Studio.
>>43854198
You could rob the place at gunpoint.
>>43852804
>Pask dead
>Torchstar dead
>Khan and Shrike finally show up back in fluff only to be beated the fuck out in the lamest ways possible
>Enclaves merged back defeating the whole point of them existing in the first place
>Shadowsun propped up in terribly written Sue-ish ways
>Aun'va dies but no one cares both in-universe and out
>Tau get webway travel because fuck it everyone gets it now (See: Necrons)
HE HATES ITObsidian Knight is cool I guess.
Also why would the Earth Caste bother with the Titans they got better ones already huehue.
>>43854632
>Nah, it's clear that it actually one of the primarchs in a knight.
>>43854630
Yeah totally. Every sunday a bunch of people come out, and you can usually manage to arrange a game whenever
>>43854632
>Plus it would explain why the knight hates the tau so much
... because Corax hates the Tau?
>>43854498
>>43854520
>Thinking that Tau plot-shield would actually place her in any danger
>>43854666
Because of what shadowsun did to the raven gaurd.
>>43854538
When the Ultramarines lost on Damnos, the entire Imperium despaired and the High Lords took action to restore the morale of humanity and their faith in humanity's place in the galaxy.
When the Raven Guard chapter master died, the Imperium and the High Lords of Terrra got mega pissed.
You can't tell me that the Imperium doesn't care about its heroes.
>>43854252
>including a superheavy flyer that it could in game only hurt with a heavy stubber
That is because the tabletop doesn't allow you to shoot Blasts and such at fliers, whereas "real life" has no restrictions on such things.
>>43854645
well if they were super heavy walkers they could fire all their weapons, not just two.
