Magic: The Gathering Modern General
(competitive discussion)
>playing?
>brewing?
>secret sideboard tech?
>your highest achievement?
>favorite deck in the format?
>cards on your wishlist?
This thread is as lively as the format, learn2standard
>>43849906
>tfw the price on Memecaster Memeges
Currently playing GR tron, only missing 1 karn and the playset of groves, which i might sub for karplusan forests. Fucking groves are 60$ now its absurd.
>>43850126
My friend plays with just karplusan forest and it hasnt lost him any games
>>43850149
Yeah, but my meta fucking loooooves playing red, so my life is generally crucial. But i dont want to pay for groves.
>help
Fuck alter reality games has 1 scalding tarn for $58.94. Should I do it?
>>43850179
Do you absolutely need it?
>>43850161
the only alternatives are stomping grounds, or if you prefer forest or monutains
>>mfw they release new $10 fetches soon as khans rotates
>>43850219
>printing fetches is a bad thing
>>43850219
nope
but if they did it would make prices go down and you should get as many as possible
>>43850219
I don't see how this is bad
>>43850258
They have worked out the only way to sell a set is to add fetches, prepare for expeditions in all set from now on
>>43850295
I pulled 2 arid mesas from my pre-release packs and opened more fetches than i remember
im ok with this
>>43850294
The game needs people making money off select few cards, without speculators driving the market especially in modern the game will die
You're playing Jund and you draw this opening hand. Are you man enough to keep?
>>43850505
I am the master of greed so yes.
>>43850402
Care to elaborate?
>>43849906
So I want to play a combo deck where all of the cards in the combo are actually good, because Twin's combo pieces are pretty shit on their own. The best I can think of off the top of my head is Knight/Reliquary, because at worst you get a Knight or an enchantment that helps you tap down attackers and/or find your other combo piece.
I'm getting this image as a playmat.
>>43849906
>playing?
Mostly Twin or Affinity, but I try to change things up frequently.
>brewing?
When I have time to waste.
>secret sideboard tech?
Nothing people aren't already using.
>your highest achievement?
In modern? 3rd at a 150-man PTQ.
Never been to a Modern GP.
>favorite deck in the format?
Affinity, I suppose.
>cards on your wishlist?
Certain summer magic and beta cards (BGS 9.5 or better).
>playing?
Mono-Red burn
>brewing?
Either amulet bloom, skred or belcher, waiting if bloom is getting banned this month first to decide
>secret sideboard tech?
nuthin
>your highest achievement?
third place in my first (draft) FNM ever
>favorite deck in the format?
not sure honestly. maybe skred?
>cards on your wishlist?
i just recently converted into modern, so i still need a lot of staple-playsets, like serum visions, gitaxian probes, etc..
>>43851218
He's being either sarcastic or retarded.
>>43850505
Yes. Pray to draw lands AND creatures for the next turns while stalling with Bolts
>>43850069
But there's not even a standard thread right now
>>43852888
Why is that btw
Is Standard such fucking cancer that everyone switched over to EDH or something?
>>43852966
Probably, standard has looked even more dull for the last little while and seems alot of people have been moving formats.
>>43852966
>Abzan dominating with the exact same goodstuff midrange deck for 2 standards running
>$70 Merfolk Looters that are an automatic 4 of in every blue deck if you want to be competitive
>Every deck needs at least 4 fetchlands if not 2 playsets
Stagnation and the powerful cards being at rare or mythic rare is basically destroying standard right now.
>>43850086
>tfw horizon canopy is brush land but you can draw and its 50$ more than brushland
>tfw my boggles deck wont be as optimal as possible
I've been playing Affinity for awhile now and at first I loved it, but now I'm getting fed up with it.
It doesn't feel like I'm playing a game of magic with my opponent. I sweep game 1 with aggression and then they haul all their sideboard cards and play solitaire after I'm shut out from chalice and even a silence.
Not complaining about that, just overall tired of how Affinity plays.
That being said, is Infect much different? I'm interested in another aggro deck that's not so easily hated out but I'm not partial to elves and my gf plays Fish.
>>43850505
IoK into thoughtseize is enough tempo disruption if you do it right to keep you on top vs most decks for a few turns so yes.
>>43852399
Not parent but there is a balance there. Part of MTG's success has been that there is a perceived value in the game. Collector's/speculators help with this. MTG would not have the success it gas had without them.
>>43853377
I-Innistrad will save Standard right...
![uRAnlKg[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/utNJxPp.jpg "uRAnlKg[1].jpg")
>>43851587
I'm getting this as a playmat
Are you using inkedplaymats?
>>43854150
>That being said, is Infect much different?
infect is even more linear, less interactive and susceptible to more generalized hate.
just play zoo you fuckboy
>>43854150
Build Countercat
>>43854584
Ninja bear delver is better.
>>43849906
Why is Faeries so bad? To slow, bad creatures, just unlucky?
>>43850126
Play the scars land. Much better than the pain land and way cheaper than grove. Even fits in the theme for tron if you care about that crap.
>>43854656
Been playing a URw list (kinda similar to the twin deck) and had decent success.
>>43854656
Too slow and Bitter isn't what it used to be. Most Fairies builds are close to hard control and that isn't a thing that can have solid tier results when the top of the meta is this fast. Pretty smashing against all in combo decks tho, that's for sure.
>>43854654
i hate kikes too anon
>>43850505
>swamp
>inquisition
>terminate
>liliana
>liliana
>tasigur
>leyline of the void
Are you a bad enough dude to keep this hand?
>>43854991
If its got leyline then its gotta be game 2, whats the match up? Really depends on that.
>>43854991
Against a graveyard deck like instant reanimator I would 100% keep.
>>43854990
NBD wasnt even TWoo's idea, fucker stole it from the developing section of MTGSalvation, like he did with every fucking crazy decktech he ever made.
Would it be better to go goblins or u/b faeries to start in modern?
>>43856166
UB Faeries has more staples but is a very expensive and shitty deck. Goblins is a little bit better and can be upgraded to Burn later.
>>43854991
>>43855687
Anafenza Company
>>43856264
Not good enough, that deck wins half or more of its games via beatdown.
>>43856312I know it's super loose but I ended up winning anyway. Inquisition their Pridemage, draw two lands and a bob off the top for max value
Allow me to present you, original idea!
(Well not really, but fuck deck building)
Do you wish you could softlock opponents with top like in legacy? Are you like me and want to cast Entreat the Angels X=10? Well look no more, I created this piece of shit, that kinda works, if oppoent is braindead and doesn't know how to cast spells. Absolutely lovely deck!
>>43850086
Why did the price drop so much? Last I checked they were $80. Now they're $50.
>>43856352
Needs more mindshrieker.
>>43856335
No accounting for luck, is there? I was going to point out that most builds run 1-2 Pridemages thus the leyline wasn't a sure play, but I forgot.
>>43856454
Modern season soon, fellow stalker ;^)
I wanna build elves, do I go g/w or abzan?
>>43857354
Curio or Ezuri?
>>43857371
Ezuri
>>43857393
Gb or junk.
>>43857393
Junk so you can run Siege Rhino.
>>43857406
Thanks, I'll probably go junk then. Need something to mix it up from Bogles
>>43857354
I like just g/w, I havnt tried splashing black yet though, just running the older list, pushed my elves to the back while playing around with grixis variants.
What i've seen is black doesnt really help win the game in cases you wouldnt have won anyway
>>43857445
Don't listen to these idiots. There is no reason to run 3 colours in elves. You're not a mid range deck, rhinos are dumb.
Just go green and maybe splash white or black
>>43857956
>Just go green and maybe splash white or black
Or just splash both? To get both the changeling and that new gb chick?
>>43854656
Too slow and a lot of life loss in fast and aggressive format.
Its a shame though, its one of my favorite decks to play.
>Playing mono-red burn in my FNM tonight
>19 lands
>get mana screwed in 5 matches
>3 of them with TOO MUCH MANA, in one of them I pulled 7 fucking lands in a row what is this
>tfw you buy white border cards just to trigger the autists at FNMThe fact that I think they're esthetic as fuck is just a bonus
>>43857354
I built elves and it got me 2nd losing to burn at a FUN tourney. G/W. Get a playset of razorverge thickets and that's it for a white source. Main board mirror entity, the poor man's ezuri, and this will allow you to run fracturing gust and stoney silence in your side board. I recommend those two cause you'll lose against decks like affinity most of the time.
>>43858197
That's stupid. You need green mana and white at most. Black elves are pretty shit in this deck and the whole point is getting as much green mana as possible to ramp ezuri and friends and swing for butt loads of damage.
>>43859194
Get Fetches, every one in your opening hand or first couple draws reduces chance of drawing a land in further draws more than Mountain would.
Going 12 fetches 8 mountains should give you optimal performance (unless you need another nonbasics too for whatever reason)
>>43859519
yes, but i dont have many shekels. Im currently working on getting some fetches for know I'll resort to stack my deck :^)
>>43859279
>tfw I erase the black borders from my basics
>>43859365
But affinity isn't even great anymore with all the hate that gets rub main board. Do you have a lot in your meta? Anyone still sticking with affinity is a trooper of you ask me
Been out of Magic for about 5 years.
Let's not beat around the bush here. How much money would I need to sink into a modern deck if I want to actually compete? None of this fringe "might worK" rogue deck shit. Something that is actually viable and can/will win with a non-retarded player using the deck.
>>43860630
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper
This is a VERY rough idea of prices of top decks
>>43860630
>hur dur I can't fucking Google
>>43860630
$750.
>>43860761
>>43860791
That's fucking ridiculous.
>>43860768
>wanting google's opinion on something rather than people that play the game first hand on a regular basis
>>43849906
help a poorfag out? Looking for a fun budget deck. I typically like to play a little control. maybe some ally action if anyones got any advice
>>43860821
depends on if you have the cards tho, a lot of value can be found in a few staples. if you have nothing though ur proper fucked bud
>>43860986
>fun budget
>control
>>43860986
Emeria Titan
>>43859365
See I wouldn't bother with the Stony Silence and run Kataki War's Mage in its place instead in the side. It's hit from Collected Company, can be tutored with Chord and grabbed with Lead the Stampede no matter which mix and match of cards you play with. Do keep the Fracturing Gust though, card is a blowout against not just affinity but boggles too.
>>43860630
Mono U Tron is your cheapest "competitively viable" deck.
Its hard matchups are aggro so most of the sideboard is devoted to anti-aggro while it has good matchups vs control and combo.
>>43860986
Lantern Control
>>43861313
Fun for you? Yes.
Fun for anyone else? No.
Is affinity actually poorly positioned right now?
>>43861260
I mainly play u-Tron and how competitive it is depends solely on your meta
>>43861466
Yes.
Kola, stony is easy to drop, chalice for zero or two, bolts, path, lingering souls, etc
It just gets shit on and I find it hilarious
>>43860821
Playing magic in general is really expensive
Average top tier standard deck is about $350-450. And standard now rotates faster then what you remember from five years back and there's no extended so standard is a huge money sink now. Legacy is more expensive then modern and fewer people play it nowadays. EDH is probably the cheapest but it depends on if you like casual more then competitive and even EDH is about $200 for a good deck.
>>43861514
Yeah like I said, it has good matchups vs control and combo but lousy aggro matchups. For reference my meta was full of mostly combo and control decks, then someone brings in Goblins(Goblin Piledriver) and Merfolk and i'm like fuck this shit.
>>43861466
Everyone's always packing hate for Affinity.
>>43861552
Even Smash to Smithereens. I run three sideboard for my burn deck. Lol I'll remove your ravager and bolt you.
>>43861663
Smash on ravager is just shatter
>>43861634
Everyone has hate, is the affinity hate so back breaking as to make it unplayable?
>>43861742
No. They can only sacrifice other artifacts not the ravager itself unless they have two out.
>>43861742
>is the affinity hate so back breaking as to make it unplayable?
From what I know Affinity hate is very good because the nature of affinity is vomit your hand on the board. You lose your board presence you essentially lose the game.
>>43861742
>Everyone has hate, is the affinity hate so back breaking as to make it unplayable?
It's true that everyone has hate but when you are playing a deck that literally involves almost dumping your entire hand on turn 1 and then someone just wipes your entire board on either turn 2 or 3 then you're just fucked in Affinity for the most part.
If you've ever seen an Affinity players reaction after you play a Fracturing Gust in an Elves deck after they activate all their Blinkmoths and Inkmoths to maximize their Cranial Plating pumps and they lose almost everything, then lose their Glimmervoid end of turn.
To be fair though Affinity does have the best chance of winning game 1 but afterwards on game 2 and game 3 the matchups tend to be a bit more even.
>>43861796
Yes they can, ravager can sac any artifact. It would be pretty fair if it couldn't.
>>43861836
Is that based on experience or theory? Because the deck can win through kataki or stony, though shatterstorm is another story
>>43861949
Theory. I've been watching modern for years but have been too poor and have no local modern scene so any investment would be a bad investment.
>>43861796
That is incorrect. What makes you think it can't?
I'm brewing tron with conduit of ruin
Come at me
>>43861936
>>43861980
It sounds like an ordinary aggro deck where you have to play around wrath. Its a bit more all in, but Manland + ravager or plating seems like a decent second line
>>43862060
What are you replacing for it?
>>43861260
you forgot mono green stompyit's good as long as FNMs are the place you play your cards
>>43862084
cutting an egg, ugin, and just having 3 wurmcoil in the 75
my reasoning is that conduit fetches either ulamog and drops him next turn for 8 or 9 mana. Maybe turn 4 Ulamog is too christmasland but I can dream
>>43862076
Except there are a million cards to destroy the deck, not just a wrath
how viable is bant knightfall is a jank deck?
I have most of the cards on hand and it seems pretty fun to play.
Will Ugin drop drastically after rotation?
>>43862996
He will likely go up desu
>>43863247
*to be honest
>>43863247
Why? He barely sees modern play
Does he get more in legacy?
>>43863272
Casual Magic (including Commander)
Magic isn't a spike-only environment, you know
>>43864092
That will not make the price rise. You think casuals ate flocking to get their $60 Ugins?
He doesn't even see much play in commander
Been buying playsets of all the fetchlands I see. Am I doing it right?
>>43864505
No.
You can get 40 fake-yet-perfect-looking fetchlands for like $20, the price of one fetchland, from the Chinese.
I own a playset of real fetchlands. I see absolutely no reason to buy real fetchlands or any expensive cards that don't have a holographic mark on them.
>>43864694
>Cards with a holomark
>Expensive
Hahaaaaa.
>>43864815
>being this new
What if all FNM promos were semi valuable Modern cards? That way the price of Modern could come down while at the same time more people would play FNMs. Seems like a win/win to me.
>>43865078
Well they did just have Serum Visions and Path. That's something
>>43865245
Well they need to do it every month. They can kill so many birds with one stone without needing any kind of additional printing.
Anyone have aRUG Loamdecklist?
I'm bored and want to play something shit online
Thinking about building grixis delver but it looks really inconsistent...
>>43865393
>>43865393
I have an rg loam list, not rug. Rg is better.
>>43865622
the problem with grixis delver in modern is that it doesn't actually have good counterspells or resource disruption, which is a huge deal when your entire game plan is 'play this beater and make sure it lives' as opposed to the legacy delver plan of 'only one of us gets to play magic today and according to this thing... it isn't you'
>>43854373
Yeah I purchased my inked mat during their 50% off flash sale.
They don't recommend using the 1/4' black border so here's my final image.
Thoughts on TitanShift?
Commune with Lava adds consistency.
So with fetches being one of the highest barriers of entry for new players, would you be fine with a (actually playable, looking at you evolving wilds) budget option at common or uncommon. For example "Balding barn" ; pay 1 life, sac: search your library for a basic island or mountain card and put it on the battlefield.
>>43867904
That would not be a bad idea. Also makes sense with the new Zendikar lands that checks for basics.
It would be printed at rare though because WotC wouldn't print a potentially usable card at common.
>>43867917
Correct, treasure cruise would not have been banned if it were rare
>>43849906
>playing?
Mono-red goblins, merfolk, G/U infect. Modern of course.
>brewing
Constantly and meticulously crafting a G/U infect deck, lest just say, might of old krosa is GONE.
>Secret sideboard tech?
Guttural Response, i have been experimenting with it, still kinda maybeish, but im feeling it.
>your highest achievement?
i live in a city where there are little to no magic events :(
That said, my best achievement was coming 1st in a small local modern torny (40 people)
>Favorited deck in the format?
Bogles. (steal the ech with spellskite, fun times.)
>cards on your wishlist?
Not much, just waiting for a a cheap play-set of inkmoth.
>>43867917
>what is treasure cruise
More likely they would print it at uncommon.
>>43867904
Would probably just play other dual lands, than commit to play single color of choice.
>>43867975
Stop acting like cruise wasn't broken piece of shit. Don't act like it did nothing wrong. Just... don't be an idiot.
>>43860590
What mainboard hate are you refering to exactly? I'm a modern newb so legit question.
>>43860630
you could go as low as 450$ for bogles, it has worked, and it will work again!
>>43868480
They shouldn't have banned it from Legacy.. I can see Modern, still don't like it though.
>>43862463
And yet, somehow, it remains one of the highest % aggro decks in modern right now.
>>43869245
Actually looking in the last 2 weeks it's the second most successful deck.
Didnt want to start my own thread:
Just bought a box of BFZ. Have not played in a decade.
Did I do good /tg/?
>pic related
>>43869351
Grave is definitely a good pull. One of the few things that can make a box even remotely worthwhile.
>>43869377
>>43869377
For sure. I know /tg/ does not like buying boxes, but I wanted to for shits.
I went grocery shopping a few weeks back. Bought 1 pack just cuz. Pulled an Overgrown Tomb foil out of it.
>>43869351
>>43869377
The Expected Value for a box, not factoring in the predictable drop in value of cards like Gideon or the Expedition lands, is $90. Factoring in the extremely rare but very expensive Expedition lands, it comes out to about $115.
In other words, given how hard it'd be to move most of the rares and any of the commons and uncommons in this set, you didn't "do good" with that box. You "dodged the bullet".
>>43868542
Cruise is even better in legacy, wtf. Do you play this game at all?
When will we get intro decks and event decks that don't suck dick? More modern event decks! Why There has been only one, WotC the fuck? Dredge event deck for legacy! Stuff! Magic products suck so much ass that no point to buy them.
>>43869419
>>43869419
Thanks. I started with BFZ as my first "Back to MTG" set. I wanted to start with a fresh set that would be in Standard the longest. So I picked up a box for $95 at my LGS and this was the best pulls. You cannot tell in the pic, but the Canopy is also foil, as is the Grave.
>>43869465
If you're getting back into the game, I would advise you to look into the finance/value aspect of it. While I don't try and turn a profit off it, and I despise the people who do, being more aware of what sets/cards are going to retain value does make the hobby that much easier to sustain on a reasonable budget.
>>43849906
>playing?
U/W Delver/Mentor, Azorius charm does so much good work.
>Brewing?
Trying to come up with a good Isochron Scepter or Norin Sisters list but Kologhan's Command is too strongk.
>Secret Sideboard Tech
Azorius Charm mainboard serves much the same purpose
>Your highest achievement
Beating my opponent to death with a flipped delver after he resolved choke on turn 2 even though my deck runs a single non-island mana-producing land.
>Favourite deck in the format
Norin Sisters or U/R Delver Aggro
>Cards on your wishlist
Walletcaster mage and scalding tarn
>>43869493
>>43869493
Thanks. Yeah I am. I have not touched the game since the Odyssey block. I am going to most likely sell the top 5 cards out of every box to reduce my costs. Like you said, I am not making money off it, just trying to build a decent deck with not much invested.
Im half tempted to just do drafts going forward.
>>43869508
For Standard that's actually a good way to do it.
As for getting into Modern, I'm afraid most people who insist that you can "trade into" it are talking out of their asses. These days people are too clever to trade non-rotating staples for Standard stuff, so the best you can hope for is to sell the Standard rares/mythics you don't plan to use for the best price you can and buy singles. I would recommend starting with shocks and fetches first, then cards that are played in multiple decks like Snapcaster and Goyf if you want/need them. The price tag on those cards is appalling, but by now it's just become part of the format. Wizards has made it pretty clear that they'll go out of their way to protect "investors" over all else.
>>43869649
>>43869649
Yeah. My wallet is not happy to be back. I am not going to go nuts with the game. All I want is to build a half way decent deck and keep my costs low. Just more of a hobby thing that I want to get back in to. But you are right, I am shocked at how much some cards costs. It blows my mind. It was not like this a decade ago.
>>43862086
when are we gonna have a control deck that can sphinx's for 20?
>>43870157
Play Mono U12post
>>43869275
I'm pretty sure a lot of /tg/s modern experience is second hand
>>43869753
>It was not like this a decade ago.
It wasn't like this 2 years ago.
>>43869753
With Bant Knightfall putting up some results in Legacy, I'm making my move. I've got everything for that deck but the lands, so I'll never be able to break into the format for cheaper.
>>43870279
Knightfall only puts up results in the same way Food Chain puts up results, in that "Oh fuck I should've countered that shouldn't I" sense where no one knows what the fuck you're doing so lets the wrong thing resolve.
>>43870519
As far as I understood it knightfall made one top 8 and then realized that everyone and their mom run 4 decays
>>43870682
So run Misdirection.
>>43870211
How do you mean?
>>43870682
It's top 8'd a couple of more times. It's such a new deck that lists are still being worked out.
A pair of Moms goes a long way to mitigating Decay. A Misdirection or two somewhere in the 75 is also pretty spicy.
>>43870820
Remember, Ancestral Vision is target player ;^)
>>43868429
What is a good starting decklist for goblins? Looking online it doesnt look like people play krenko and rabblemaster in the same deck, is there a reason for that?
>>43871056
Good goblin decks are the no lords lists, very low to the ground. Search no lord goblins or something along those lines and should find some info.
>>43871142
>Vial in goblins
>CoCo in goblins
That goblin brew craze after ORI/Piledriver and DTK/CoCo made me cringe so hard.
>>43870786
Most of the advice I get is based on theory rather than practice. Meaning its always "I feel like" rather than "when I tested it"
>>43869245
It's a much better prospect to be the one asking the questions than to be the one providing the answers. It doesn't really matter if the deck gets ruined by sideboards. Board in a playset of something and you've still only got half a chance to draw it before you get run over, which means that if won game one, he wins the match.
>>43871333
>Most of the advice I get is based on theory rather than practice
As to what part of modern? I don't know about other people but when I (and I imagine other people too) talk about certain matchups, like how X deck is agaisnt twin or something, that most opinions come from actual play given that it's not hard to play up against the tier 1-2 pilars of the format like twin, bgx, etc. If you play modern at all, you have played these decks and you know how they work and feel against your/some other decks.
Not when it comes to shit like new cards, then yes, I agree that most if not all opinions are based on theory as opposed to testing. But I feel like if you know the format good enough you can negate alot of new card hype based on theory alone, not 100% sure, but pretty sure. I mean if you couldn't see why Narseet was overhyped when it failed the basic PW test of protecting itself even without testing her, then you are retarded.
Any other BW deck other than tokens?
>>43871580
Aristocrats by throwing in red or green is definitely brew material. Green can combo, red is grindier.
>>43871580
Just BW and no other splash? Some D&T builds, some SS builds.
>>43871297
When did I mention either of those cards? The list im thinking of is mono red, and does not run vial.
>>43871333
I think that has to do with how many decks there are in modern compared to how many players there are in this thread, with most people probably only having 1 deck themselves.
Alot of people will comment from 1 side of a match up and what they've seen, as other than 1 or 2 decks that is all they know.
>>43871621
I am not talking about what you said but about goblin lists in general and how bad shit got around that time.
>>43871643
How hard can it be to make a good Gobbos brew for Modern? Half of the deck writes itself. The problem you have is that straight RDW is either just as good or better, and doesn't require you to buy 4 Caverns.
>>43862086
Is the second snapcaster a proxy?
>>43870899
>mfw I've never had a chance to do this, and now I realize I can
>6 cards in the bin
>2 Nimble Mongooses down
>Andrew Boswell doesn't realise he can make a Wasteland target itself to fill the bin and get in with Mongoose
Fucking shitters.
If I return a bunch of creatures with pic related and then sac them again before the end step, do they get exiled or do they stay in the graveyard?
In a very related topic, how viable would you guys say Aristocrats are? It's relatively cheap and fun to play so I was thinking about getting something like this: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-11-15-LSD-aristocrats/
My "no fun allowed" fake deck.
And I just realized I lost one copy of urborg.
Man that one was real.
>>43871667
Goblins is actually pretty good against Burn, from my experience. They've got a slightly faster clock and you have to devote burn to killing their creatures.
>>43872140
Get rid of Blisterpod and Safehold Elite, put in Doomed Traveler and Voice of Resurgence. Then get rid of Collected Company because it costs too much mana and put in Abzan Ascendancy. And then get rid of Rally the Ancestors, go up to 4 copies of Return to the Ranks, and put in 2 Orzhov Charms.
Holy fuck I've just realised how good Loam is with looting effects. Like, you draw a card then discard a land you never cared about anyway because you get can get 3 back to land on demand anyway. God damn I kinda want some copies of Jace, Merfolk Looter forRUG Loamnow.
>>43872211
Thanks for the suggestions. I would love if you would elaborate on them, because to me they all just sounds like downgrades.
Taking out Safehold removes the infinite combo making Melira useless. Company is super efficient at finding the right creatures for the combo as well. Rally seems like a straight up better version of Return in this deck because it can fetch everything back making it a better finisher. Blisterpods spawn can sac itself which it nice plus it can help pay for the more expensive stuff like Company if I didn't hit lands.
>>43872455
The reason Return is better is because not only do Doomed Traveler and Voice leave you tokens to convoke with, but Abzan Ascendancy goes completely nuts with the card. Everything gives you spirits, then you just tap them all, get everything back, and do it again. All the while Blood Artist keeps on painting. I brewed it up myself a while back and could get turn 4 combo kills. The deck is basically Gravestorm, with Blood Artist providing the damage from your gravestorm count. You don't need infinite damage, you just need to count to 20/X where X is your number of Artists, rounded up. I had a spicy 1 copy of Saffi Eriksdotter too. She was basically a token generator since she always brought something back, and if she brought Voice/Traveler back, she actually made 2 tokens. I don't have the list I had, but it felt sweet.
>>43872552
Wait my algebra was nonsense. Fuck it, you get the idea.
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>RUG Loam is a meme brew!
Meanwhile, the deck is essentially a sideboard option for a tier 1 legacy deck.
>>43872552
Well I guess it's a matter of taste. I prefer the infinite combo over the ascendancy synergy.
I have tried the deck out on xmage I might give the ascendancy one a go as well.
Finally getting the stuff I need to finish Grixis Twin soon. Hopefully blood moons and scalding tarns will be reprinted soon:^)so that I can play UR Twin.
>>43854373
>inkedplaymats
Let's do it.
>>43873026
I'd recommend just getting 4 Tarns and 4 Snapcasters. Once you have them a huge weight is off your shoulders and a bunch of modern decks suddenly open to you.
>>43867735
seems good. I'm surprised it took scapeshift players this long to play Khalni Heart Expedition.
>>43872140
To answer your rule question, They would go back to the graveyard. Rally only exiles if it removes the creatures from the battlefield at the end of the turn.
>>43873357
I have my snaps already, I'll just play off colored fetches for a bit.
>>43874194
"If it's not already being played, how could it be good?" - Modern
>>43867735
I don't think dropping the interaction and going all-in is the way for scapeshift to go, in this axis of play Titan Bloom will always be the better land/Titan deck so why compete? Also Commune is win-more as shit but without blue it's the best you can get to dig for the combo finish I guess.
>>43872848
>Josh Ravotz
Not even once.
>>43874713
>I hope you're going to pay shekel- I mean mana for those creatures to Tabernacle! ;^)
>>43871142
This is the list I liked the most:
Creatures (26)
1 Frenzied Goblin
3 Goblin Piledriver
3 Mogg Fanatic
4 Mogg War Marshal
4 Foundry Street Denizen
4 Goblin Bushwhacker
4 Goblin Guide
3 Legion Loyalist
Instants (7)
3 Atarka’s Command
4 Lightning Bolt
Sorceries (8)
2 Dragon Fodder
2 Krenko’s Command
4 Goblin Grenade
Lands (19)
2 Cavern of Souls
2 Stomping Ground
4 Copperline Gorge
4 Wooded Foothills
7 Mountain
Sideboard (15)
1 Mogg Fanatic
1 Goblin Piledriver
1 Tin Street Hooligan
1 Atarka’s Command
3 Destructive Revelry
1 Rending Volley
1 Dismember
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Grafdigger’s Cage
2 Blood Moon
>>43872157
do you really need both ensnaring bridge and damnation? once players catch on that they should't be casting too many spells damnation is as good as a doom blade
>>43871964
I sure hope not, bought it from Channel Fireball.
>>43874555
The only improvement I can see this having over Bring to Light Scapeshift is having Titan as a second win condition.
>>43874417
Generally you don't want to tap out for something that's not going to trigger until two turns later, is a dead draw late game, and gives Jund/Junk targets for Abrupt Decay.
>>43877182
I've seen many RUG scapeshift builds make room for 1-2 Titans since forever ago but I guess the new BtL builds are less flexible than traditional builds.
>>43877261
BTL is very fun, it gives you a ton of new angles. Plus the deck can turn 3 Cryptic Command, do you understand how fun this shit is?
>>43868490
Best friend and some autistic kid I went to school with both play affinity. 9 times out of 10 I'll be one turn from getting out of hand and then I'll get hit by a flying infect land with cranial p8ing or ravenger.
Which creature is better? Goblin Guide or Monastery Swiftspear.
On one hand Guide comes out with 2 damage right away. But swiftspear can be pumped more and can evade removal with the toughness boost. Plus Guide gives your opponent card advantage occasionally.
>>43877507
They scale differently as the game goes on. Guide is way better turn 1 but Swiftspear gets better late game.
>>43877507
>Which creature is better? Goblin Guide or Monastery Swiftspear.
On what turn?
With what hand?
Against which deck?
Before or after sideboarding?
On what board?
>>43877507
Just look at the netdeck you fuck
>>43863272
He's quite common in MUD.
>>43862085
You're right, Mono G Stompy is actually not a bad deck. I actually play it slightly more like a Mono G Devotion list with Khalni Hydras
I pulled a couple Abbot of Keral keep from an origins deal on on bf. Should i flip them now? or are they finding their way into modern?
>>43874194
>I'm surprised it took scapeshift players this long to play Khalni Heart Expedition.
I'm surprised as well considering it used to be run in old Scapeshift lists in Extended.
>>43878746
Some Jund lists play it and some Temur Prowess features it (although it's not a real deck). I'mkeeping mine because it's not entirely useless for Modern.
>>43878794
Was keep supposed to be a play on the name of the card?
>>43878821
Absolutely. Completely shameless, too.
>>43867975
Well dig was rare and they banned that too
Will meme grixis control stop someday?
>>43881284
What's meme about it anon?
>>43881349
That is not real control
>>43881364
Then what do you want to call it?
>>43881377
It's midrange, you stop threats early and use cantrips to fuel your grave and in turn 4 smash tasigur
>Building Junk/Abzan
>have utilized my collection, trades, and credit from LGSs
>no Lilianas or Goyfs
Rip in peace, my wallet.
>>43881399
When will we stop using control, midrange whatever categorising bullshit anyway? Most of the decks are kind of hybrids anyway.
All we need to complete that bullshit is "tron is combo/control/ramp/whatever" argue. It's hard to categorise nonlinear decks, when there is combo/control/threats slammed in them, as in twin for example.
>>43881721
Because their win cons still fall into those archetypes. Twin only wins like a "control deck" when the other deck gets starved, Tron is only a "combo deck" if the other deck has no way of dealing with it.
My LGS was having a flat 27% off sale on all singles today for "Small Business Saturday"
>TFW I walk out with mint Burnwillows, Ugin, Emrakul, and 2 Cryptics for a little over $100
>>43883833
Nice deal. Tell me you are using those to build GR Tron and the Cryptics go somewhere else.
>>43872332
loam in ascendancy combo is insane
>>43883890
Of course, the Cryptics will either always be useful, or practically be currency in season. They had a mint Memecaster calling to me in between them, but I couldn't justify it.
>>43884702
I can't tell if Memecaster is Snapcaster or new Jace.
If I post an Allies deck list I'm working on will I be shamed as I should be or ignored?
What the general consensus on abbot of keral keep for modern burn, has it been brewed with? The extra card advantage might be worth it or is 2 mana just way to slow for the deck?
>>43885215
Worth trying over Searing Blaze for sure.
im making a budget green white deck and only need to figure out the mana base. do you guys have any suggestions?
>>43885694
Horizon Canopy
>>43885765
thank u thats very budget and funny
>>43849906
Can we switch the Bolt and Goyf on this image
It's...driving me insane
>>43885215
I would test it as a 2-of, maybe 3. It's not a card you really want in your opening hand over any other 3-damage burn spell but as the game goes on and you start to have more mana, casting it and also the exiled card becomes more likely. Sadly it doesn't have haste to take advantage of the prowess trigger but whatever. It might just end up being worse than a business spell but extra pressure is never really bad
>>43885805
Don't get Canopies, they're much too expensive right now. If you're on a real budget, I'd just get four Razorverge Thickets.
>>43885805
My first suggestion to you is to use complete sentences, real words and punctuation.
That being said, Canopy Vista and Sunpetal Grove are budget friendly, other than that just use Elfhame Palace or Graypelt Refuge or something.
>>43885694
Razorverge Thickets and Brushlands are both under 10 a piece.
Canopy Vistas from BFZ are under 10 a piece.
Windswept Heaths are at about 15 a piece right now and it's probably the best time to get em.
>>43885694
Blossoming sands
Elfhame Palace
Greypelt Refuge
Guildgates
Sunpetal Grove
Temple of Plenty
If your budget streches to $5-$7
Canopy Vista
Razorvenge Thicket
>>43885694
Even vivid lands are like 20c a piece and would do in a pinch
Soon as you ask for budget its coming into play tapped in most cases
>>43885853
thank you ill try
>>43885870
i really want to get windswept heaths because like you said they're probably going to spike, but my budget doesnt allow that now. razorverge thickets are good so i might try to bend my budget a few dollars for that. thanks for the help
>>43885947
ebt lands hurt my feelings too much to be played
So if you're playing grixis do you just roll over and die to kitchen finks?
70 card deck ok with Tutors?
>>43886143
There has to be some too-cute package you're keeping in that needs cutting at 70 cards
>>43886155
I guess Arcanis the Omnipotent isn't necessary but he's rad as fuck so I guess I'll figure it out.
Would a Cipher + Unblockable creatures deck work well?
>>43886264
Considering that most cipher cards are absolute garbage and every unblock able creature short of invisible stalker will just get wrecked by removal, my guess would be no
>>43886449
is Stolen Identity too expensive or something to be good?
