What is the most, non controversial, Primarch? The one that is just okish and most of TG can agree isnt the most worst or best, just talk about without the stupid drama?
Is there just an ok primarch TG?
>>43844008
> Immediately eliminated
Lion- Autistic
Perturbo- Autistic, Decimation
Russ- Hypocritical asshat
Dorn- Iron Cage, Unwieldy
Curze- Edgy/Husbando wankfest
Lorgar- Muh feelings
Vulkan- Lives
I'd say Ferrus. Everybody loves Ferrus, he's just competent enough to be a badass without crossing over into Mary-Sue.
And his origin story has him drowning a metal dragon to death in lava.
>>43844008
>Angron confirmed for manlet.
Massive small-man syndrome.
Ferrus
I'd say Guilliman, but he's too successful for anyone to talk about without bias.
>>43844053
I agree. He's the mostmetalof all the Primarchs.
I just wish they hadn't had him die like a bitch, but it lead to his legion being interestingly fucked up.
Sanguinius is not a source for much shitposting usually
I'd say magnus , ferrus and sangy. Magnus didn't do much wrong till...the whole ripping the Web way a new one trying to warn his father of the doom. For that I see him alot more like a Greek tragic.
Ferrus well basically what>>43844008 said
And sangy was a kind hearted man of the people.
I'd say Khan. He's pretty forgettable all things considered as a primarch.
>>43844110
>magnus
>without stupid drama
>>43844097
>I just wish they hadn't had him die
Him being killed keeps black library's claws from getting to him properly and ruining him.
It's a blessing, if anything.
>>43844097
Unfortunately, at least one Primarch needed to die at Istvaan V. The amount of Marines that died, no Primarch's dying would just be completely unbelievable.
>>43844008
Alpharius, aside from the incomprehensible shit at the end of the the AL HH book.
>>43844144
Two died. One got back up because black lives matter
>>43844156
>One got back up because perpetual lives matter
FTFY
>>43844008
>Is there just an ok primarch TG?
I think your kinda missing the point of what it means to be a Primarch.
>>43844008
Corax.
>Not a traitor or a snowflake (for a Primarch), so no need for an overly dramatic story. Solid relationship with most brothers, Peturabo being the exception.
>Mid to good tier fighter, holds his own against his brothers
>Competent, and you never hear anyone bitch about his special power, becoming invisible.
>Disappears like many other loyalists Primarchs. Leaves behind a legion just as mid-tier as he is.
Corax.
If the criteria is "ok-ish" then my boy fits the bill. He was raised in a prison colony, freed everyone, did a generally ok job leading people.
He wasn't overly headstrong like Ferrus, he's certainly not OP, he's not autismal. He's ok.
>>43844255
Who?
>>43844152
>suddenly twin primarch
>we am legion retard fanbase
not the worst yet, but he's in the runnings
>>43844255
He's like Edgar Allen Poe meets Dr Frankensteinmeets Linkin Park.
Khan, maybe because there isn't much that we know about him other than Biker mongol IN SPACE!
>>43844117
That's the point of his whole legion. Brotherhood of the Storm and Scars go into wonderful detail about this, with the legion and the Khan preferring to be left alone to act as they wish.
>>43844292
>Poe
Sure, dude loved his poetry.
>Frankenstein
Unintentionally. He wasn't trying anything really wacky, the gene seed was just corrupted. Again, pointing to how he's "just okay."
>Linkin Park
I think you've confused him with Konrad.
>>43844097
how exactly did the metal get on his hands from that battle
>>43844366
>I COMMAND YOU TECHPRIESTS TO OPEN THESE FORBIDDEN ARCHIVES ON GENE-SCULPTING
>AS I HAVE SPENT MY ENTIRE LIFE DEDICATED TO THE ART OF STEALTH AND PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE, I WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM RECREATING MY FATHER'S GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT ALL BY MYSELF
I hate to be a monday morning quarterback, but in retrospect he probably could have called in some favors with Mars to get someone to help.
>>43844426
Well, he drowned the Necron Warmachine in the lava, and it's necrodermis partially liquefied around his hands. So when he pulled his arms out they were still covered in it so it cooled and fused with his skin.
>>43844476
He did. The Alpha Legion switched the samples.
>>43844497
> Because why have the tragedy of a desperate father trying to save his broken sons caused by his own hubris, when we can ram the Alpha meme in again?
>>43844535
...It's one of the handful of things the Alphas actually did during the Heresy beyond telling Horus to fuck off becauseHe's not their real dad!
>>43844426
GW writers apparently thought that having the primarch of the IRON HANDS legion being called FERRUS MANUS wasn't literal enough.
>>43844535
>Bitch about Corax fucking up the project when it's his own fault.
>Bitch about Corax not fucking up when it's not his fault.
Khan
Great fighter and strategist, no drama, legion always gives a good account of itself. Also aren't as blindly hypocritical like the Space Wolves with their storm seers
>>43844008
>>43844074
Magnus is looking at him with such disdain.
>>43844008
What about the Raven Primarch, he doesn't get much attention and just gets the job done after having a rather small breakdown after the massacre.
>>43845922
The old reason is because Andy Chambers and co. are faggots. FW has made it melt much more sense. The physical Iron Hands came first. Then the people of Medusa started calling him Ferrus Manus, meaning "Iron Handed One." It was not something Ferrus Manus chose himself. Then when he met with the Xth legion, he declared them to be an extension of himself, and so took the name of his most prominent feature.
>>43845989
Make*
>>43845955
>has a bitchin mustache
>>43844476
Mars was eating itself at the time.
>>43844074
Well he's bent, probably angey at the people for being happy, and Magnus right next to him is known for beinga big guy.
>>43845978
Corvus Corax? He's just weird. I'd say Rogal Dorn is the most average.
>>43844476
Can it really be that fucking hard making space-marine like super soldiers for a super post-post human like a primarch? I mean, with our current human understanding, it's not inconceivable that we - mere mortals - will eventually be able to make super humans.
It's not like he would have to create primarchs. Space marines were essentially an after-thought/off-shoot from the primarch-project. Can't be THAT fucking hard turning a young man into a super human when you're a fucking primarch.
>>43844535
>Because why have the tragedy of a desperate father trying to save his broken sons caused by his own hubris
Too close to the Thousand Sons' heresy plot.
>>43844110
Magnus and Sanguinius get a lot of attention, a lot of it negative.
>>43846284
>Sanguinius get a lot of attention, a lot of it negative.
What?
>>43844008
Ferrus is the one you're looking for. Vulkan too, desu.
>>43844053
Fuck, my sides hurt after those descriptions.
Nice work.
Mortarion did nothing wrong.
>>43844535
I am Alpharius.
I am Alpharius.
I am Alpharius.
We are Alpharius.
We are the Alpha Legion.
>>43846284
Don't talk shit about my fabulous hawk boy! He died for our sins.
>>43846291
From /tg/ you moron. We're not rating them from in-lore, read the OP.
>>43846363
Neither did Erebus.
Look at that innocent smile!
>>43846427
Yes he did. He didn't die.
>>43845989
I mean, that makes perfect sense.
He lived as a wildman in the mountains killing robots and Necrons until he was already a man.
>>43846427
he looks like a super smug asshole
>>43846533
Anon, that's what he's suppose to be.
>>43846369
Suffering my eyes while reading through The First Heretic.
I'm starting to blame Magnus for the entire heresy.
>>43846427
>>43846655
The books try to describe his voice as soft and diplomatic but every time I start reading his dialog I remember these two images and give him uncle chainsmoker's raspy evil voice.
>>43845970
>"Again with the screaming. Always with the shouting and the yelling and th- shut up for one warp-damned minute would you? I'd give up my other eye to have metal implements shoved in your head until you stopped.
>...why am I hearing whispers? Eh. Echoes of the damned yelling in my helmet no doubt."
>>43844008
Well, Vulkan and Sanguinius got along the best with everyone, right? Otherwise the White Scars Ghengis Khan guy. He loves bikes...a lot and that's really it.
Most controversial would probs be my two favorites Magnus (psyker Magic shit) and Lorgar (do I even have to describe this?) right?
>>43846749
I've imagined him with the Facilator's voice. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTqHbiE0vl8
>>43844008
Mortarion? Just never seems to have much of a personality besides 'tough, hates psykers', isn't especially mad or sane, seems like a very mid-tier fighter.
>>43846800
Perfect.
>>43845970
Just standing next to Magnus is probably driving Angron fucking bonkers (being near his own Legion's psykers hurts him).
Maybe Magnus is just fucking with him.
>>43847669
Maybe he's viewing Angron with pity and disgust. Or one conversation caused Magnus to start messing with him.
>>43844105
>muh pretty boy
>muh best son
>muh special snowflake wings
I'm surprised that I'm the first to shitpost on this sang here.
I wonder how much of the heresy could have been avoided if the Primarchs had some huddles or group hugs or stuff like that
>>43847934
possibly all of it
>>43844183
He was making a joke. Relax.
>>43846073
Dorn is a straight baby back bitch.
Also one of the criteria is not being controversial. Most people either like or hate Dorn. Not really much in between.
>>43848698
So was he. Relax.
>>43844053
Ferrus also has the benefit of dying early. Less chances for authors to make him retarded
>>43845970
>Oh boy, here we go. He finally found something to rage about.
>Yeah, shake your fist. That will teach the five foot nothing man down there who called you a midget.
>Probably you only seem small to them because someone placed you next to me. Wait, I did that. Just as planned.
>>43846889
Man, his scenes were pretty goddamn dark if you know about voodoo.
>>43844008
Jaghatai Khan hands down.
>Had the least drama out of all the Primarchs
>joined the Emperor without any temper tantrums or challenges
>had a legion that got shit done
>based on fucking Mongolians
>was fundamental in defending Terra from the Traitor Legions
>went out the most metal way by chasing Dark Eldar into the Webway
Khan has all the best parts of Curze and Corax without all the edge or depression, and the best parts of Russ without being a hypocritical asshole who sired a bunch of genefucked furries.
>>43849995
Also, he has one of the best Primarch to Primarch burns in all of 30k.
> (Fulgrim) "I heard from a contact on Mars, Jaghatai, that you do strange things to your ships."
>The Khan shot him a heavy-lidded stare. "I heard from a contact that you do strange things to your warriors."
>>43850015
>>43844008
Whose that pink dude
>>43844008
Hard Mode: Chaos space marines
>>43846479
fucking this
>>43850305
Oddly enough Horus seems controversy free. He came, he saw, he heresyied. The fanbase is pretty matter of fact when it comes to his treatment
>>43844426
Honestly Ferrus probably killed a c'tan shard of the void dragon with his bare hands by drowning it in lava, and the void dragon's living metal fused with his arms.
This would also explain some of Ferrus's natural and innate understanding of machinery
>>43850305
Pertuarbo has an inferiority complex but otherwise fits the bill
Being meat and potatoes was sort of his legion's thing
>>43844008
Alpharius
>>43844535
All the Alpha meme stuff aside, "Deliverence Lost" and the plot around the infiltrator was awesome.
>>43846363
He actually didn't do anything at all. He is the traitor primarch that is just there.
>>43849995
Replace him with any other Legion on the terra defense and he as well as the scars would have been completely irrelevant.
Its sad actually. I think the Scars are the least mentioned Legion of all 20.
>>43850015
Nah, that would be Lorgars "You mad?" at Calth.
>>43845970
He got the worst place of them all, right between Angron and Mortarion. The two guys that probably despite him the most.
>>43844008
Khan. The most reasonable of them all
>>43851475
There are some defensing him, other calling him out for his bullshit.
I say Mortarion, the Primarch who is just there.
Horus is also controverse free, as hhis motive are rather clear
>>43844008
Corax?
>>43844053
>Vulkan - lives
Deathfire really ruined that phrase. It literally became a meme
>>43846368
Hi, i'm Omegon.
>>43844053
>unwieldy
I see what you fucking did there
Fuck you forge world you pieces of shit
No better than gay Whoreshit t b h
>>43846718
Don't shit on glorious red-cyclops psyker nerd.
>>43850015
damn son
>>43846693
Yes. This is exactly what I had in mind.
Praise Alfa.
And cry for a new video from Karl.
>>43851780
100 this.
>Surprisingly cultured
>Actually tries to see both sides of the conflict to see which side is just.
>Good fight
>Cares deeply for his men
>Even after magnus went rogue, Khan had a civil conversation with him and still showed magnus brotherly love.
>Actually has the mental power to consider multiple outcomes.
>Best mustache ever to grace the human race.
Why is Khan so based?
>>43845970
Remember its over the fields of Ullanor. Which was the massive triumph to celebrate the beating of the biggest Waaaaagh ever (at that point).
I can't remember but it was supposed to have like 10 million guard marching, like 6 or so whole astartes legions, imperator titans etc. all walking past.
Angron is quite literally having a transcendent rage-orgasm right there. He's literally gripping the railing and dry-humping it.
>>43852682
I can't get this image out of him head.
Sangy - Fairly based, but we've yet to see BL fuck his shit up yet so...
Morty - He exists. He's like air. Air isn't controversial. It's just there.
Khan - See above but actually a good character to boot.
Old Iron Hands with iron hands of the Iron Hands - 6/10, above average
Horus - Not as clear cut as a lot of people think because of the whole "fell like a biiiiiiiitch"
Rawbutt - Taken on his own merits is pretty okay.
>>43852682
i love that the artist showed the railing all cracked and broken from him gripping it, or punching it.
>>43849995
As someone who went into Brotherhood of the Storm a skeptic instead of someone who was reading it because they liked the WS: the WS are kind of unpredictable in a way that's really bad for warfare.
>doesn't seem to understand the concept of supply chains
>literally cannot garrison duty
>doesn't communicate well
>you didn't learn my culture so I'm gonna treat you like haole
They're similar to a legion of house cats who will probably keep your house mouse free, but only if the mice interest them. It's like...I can't really hate on them too much before feeling bad unlike any of the other "we take shit too far" legions.
Yet at the same time, I feel like I could take any other legion, point it at a target, and reasonably expect that target dealt with/raised to the ground/executed/religiously converted/destroyed itself from within.
>>43846718
Magnus did nothing wrong.
>>43852654
Because the Black Library haven't heard of him
>>43846718
Nigger, are you fucking high? Did you mean Erebus, or whiny Bitchtits McGayforreligion?
A dude who spent a shit-haul of time trying to know his enemy so he could warn Dear Omnipotent Dad about the approaching heresy, even condemning himself in the process--this shit is his fault somehow?
>>43846749
Erebus was always a smooth operator/the voice of reason. It makes sense he'd spend his time building a reputation as the diplomat so his word would be trusted.
In the audiobooks, even post-heresy he sounded imperious & sensible. He gargles liquid silver.
>>43844008
Corax. He's so calm and together compared to the rest of them, he never gets mentioned.
>>43844008
>Is there just an ok primarch TG?
That white scars faggot nobody ever remembers
>>43845989
>Ferrus Manus, meaning "Iron Handed One."
Actually it just means iron hand
t. latin student
>>43853174
except if you want to say that it's pronounced ferrus manoos of course, then it would actually mean iron hands
MOOOOOOOO
>>43852846
I do believe he has had his fair share of books and story, tubby.
>>43853174
Languages change. Even a dead one like latin.
If you have studied latin you know how different from the roman form it was during the middle ages. Now imagine how different latin would be another 30k years later.
>>43852682
So he's got a murder boner?
>>43853915
You are asking IF ANGRON SPORTS A MURDER-BONER?
What kind of retarded question is that....?
>>43844105
>>43847756
The problem with Sany is he must be absurdly awkward and dangerous to be around. Dude has 30 foot long wings, how the hell does he even walk around a ship or indoors?
Every time he gets excited and turns around quickly half a dozen serfs are smashed into a wall by an errant wing sweep and everyone within a few hundred feet is deafened by the sonic boom not to mention the feathers getting into everything.
>>43844008
The Khan literally did nothing wrong
Mortarion siply because there is nothing to him yet.
still waiting for even 1 god damn book about him and other Death guard that aren't fucking Garro
>>43853983
Because he did almost nothing in the first place.
>>43844053
Vulkan is shit now?
Let me guess Black Library finally got around to writing a story involving him...
>>43855644
>finally
Vulkan Lives and Unremembered Empire are out quite some time now
>>43855678
I see. I stopped reading HH after Legion.
>>43855716
You should continue reading. There are some damn nice novels you would miss out otherwise.
>The First Heretic
>Know no Fear
>Deliverence Lost (if you like the AL)
are must reads in my opinion. The books about Vulkan are meh (Unremembered Empire is written by Abnett though), but if you like Vulkan you will probably like them anyway.
>>43852654
>>Even after magnus went rogue, Khan had a civil conversation with him and still showed magnus brotherly love.
really?
>>43855865
Yes, really.
Spoilers for Scars by Chris Wraight. You don't want em? Fuck off.
Magnus and the Khan were apparently best friends. Magnus even had the Khan draft up most of the rules for the Librarius, because he knew a non-psyker(as much a primarch can be one, at any rate.) would be more objective about it, and the White Scars psykers are super cautious about how much they delve into the warp.
In the novel Scars, the White Scars have been cut off by warp storms for a while when the Heresy gets going, and they start getting conflicting messages. The first one they get is that Russ has gone traitor and wiped out the Thousand Sons, and they need to go join Horus for justice. The second they get is the ACTUAL message from Dorn on Terra about what really happened. The third is from Russ, saying that Horus went traitor and sicced the Alpha Legion on him, and he needs help. (They actually react with disbelief that Russ would ask anyone for help and have a chuckle about it.)
The Khan's first reaction is a knee-jerk "Fuck off, nobody tells my legion what to do." After he cools off a bit, he orders his fleet to Prospero to ask Magnus what went down. He talks to a psychic piece of Magnus that was left there when he did the mass portal. Magnus admits that he had it coming, and finally admits that the warp is pretty damn evil, not a neutral ocean.
After hearing what actually happened from his friend, the Khan then beats the piss out of Mortarion, who in true Mortarion style just kind of... shows up... and officially declares that he's staying loyal.
>>43855796
My only really major problem with the Unremembered Empire is actually Vulkans part in it. It just feels out of character that he would go crazy. Of all the Primarchs, he would have been the only one not to go crazy after everything he went through. It just seems like a defeat of his character at it's core that wasn't really necessary or made much sense.
>>43844476
It was working untill alpha fags came along.
>>43857010
suck it
>>43849995
And then the entire White Scars legion just more or less disappears into obscurity.
Though personally, I'd actually have to say Mortarion. Not too much of a strong personality aside from hating bullies, and seemed a pretty patient dude in his youth and didn't whine like Angron did when the Emps stole his kill and stole him away. Didn't do anything particularly interesting with his legion until he was convinced by Horus that the Emperor was a bully, and even though he actually did stuff after the Heresy he didn't particularly stand out in the way that Angron did.
>>43857087
*beep beep*
>>43852654
Wasn't he also on Magnus's side during the Council of Nikea, even if in a really cautious sense, like it was a weapon that should be trained to be used just like any other or something? Jaghatai and the White Scars struck me as kind of wise salt-of-the-earth folks in that very stereotypically tribal sense.
>>43844089
I liked the Imperium Secundus angle I've heard about.
>>43844008
The Lion, he's pretty much what you need in a war
Daily reminder that Magnus did nothing wrong.
>>43860767
But the Dark Angels and the Fallen keep him controversial. He either didn't do nothing wrong or fucked everything up with his autism.
>>43845970
>>43844008
>>43852725
![[Lives].png](https://i.imgur.com/vjBqB9C.png "[Lives].png")
>>43852532
>>43865866
I still like him, I just wish BL didn't make such a big deal of OOHHHHH HE'S STILL OUT THERE, HUMANITY MIGHT HAVE A SMALL GLINT OF NOT BEING SO SHIT. THIS COULD REALLY CHANGE EVERYTHING.
I mean, I'm kinda hoping the bastard comes back, he seems like he'd be kind of a fun guy to have kicking around 40K and it'd maybe mean that the Salamanders get less shat upon in fluff. Though I guess Spess Mahreens are already cheesed enough, them being the posterboys of the franchise.-Sincerely, your local Salamanders Player
>>43866869
I sort of know how you feel. Come on, BL! He was already sort of out there before you made him a Perpetual. You're just twisting older fluff a little to make it more or less confirmed.
Besides, Jaghatai, Russ, and Corax might also still be out there.
>>43867098
I actually really liked the idea of a Primarch that was looking out for the common man. I get that the Emperor was basically Space-Hitler-Jesus but a lot of people seem to forget about the fact that the Emperor was also Space Jesus. Vulkan seems to most embodied that ideal, and in general seemed like a pretty pious, down to earth guy.
I'm not sure if I'm some kind of faggot for doing this, but I usually establish game scenarios as my Salamander army trying to hold off whatever they're fighting from getting a crack at a Hive, or some other settlement. Sure they're doing it partially to PURGE CHAOS and PURGE XENO SCUM, but on some level they're also doing it because they actually give a rats ass about people.
>>43867170
I think a lot of people forget there is a softer and nicer side to 40k. Like you said, the Emperor can be amazingly cruel and stern, but he also has a caring side. Primarchs like Vulkan and Roboute thought about people and cared more than others about them in some ways.
And hey, it's not a faggoty thing to add a story to your games. I'm probably more of a faggot with my Dark Angels, since I go out of my way to avoid Fallen-hunting scenarios. I like to remind myself that there's more to them than that, they can also be marines doing their duty if not as outright benevolent as your Salamanders.
>>43867098
>Besides, Jaghatai, Russ, and Corax might also still be out there.
If they are, they can be considered traitor by now. They left the Emperor and mankind for selfish reasons.
>>43868132
Didn't Russ fuck off into the eye of terror to find a magical apple or some shit that would heal the Emperor?
If so could you really call him a traitor?
Never mind that he'd have a hell of a time getting Emps to eat it, no one ever claimed Russ thought any of his plans through.
>>43867170
>but a lot of people seem to forget about the fact that the Emperor was also Space Jesus. Vulkan seems to most embodied that ideal, and in general seemed like a pretty pious, down to earth guy.
>>43867219
>I think a lot of people forget there is a softer and nicer side to 40k. Like you said, the Emperor can be amazingly cruel and stern, but he also has a caring side. Primarchs like Vulkan and Roboute thought about people and cared more than others about them in some ways.
This.
Can someone explain the "Vulkan - Lives" dtuff to me ? I think I missed something.
>>43853973
Probably, you know, folds them when not in use
Think there's even a word for doing that with wings
'furls' or something
