So someone in the last thread referred to a M113 as a 'Gavin'.

Not sure if trolling but as far as I know they were never called that, in the US Army they were know as an M113, a PC or just a 'Track'

The name 'Gavin' comes from one man's, lets just say passionate crusade to retain a piece of air deployable light armour. Look up 'Mike Sparks M113', fun reading.

>>43811992
It's ok to call Mike Sparks a fucking lunatic, anon.

Just started putting together a Zvezda 2S1 Gvozdika SPG.
Pretty good kit, goes together really easily and the detail seems pretty decent.

I'll be putting together two more of them and a pair of Shilkas tomorrow, plus a T-72 just because.
That gives me the core of a nice Soviet force for TY, alongside one BF army deal and the six T-55s that will pretend to be a T-72 as well.

I'll probably be taking some pics and reviewing the minis on my blog.

>>43812145
Zvezda's gotten really, really good in recent years.

That Abrams of theirs is a *really* wild outlier.

>>43812222
>>43812145
Any experience with Zvezda's US M-109s?

Because I've been thinking of getting a few of those for my Team Yankee force.

>>43812543
I've read a pretty positive review online, at a German site.
Seemed to be of similar quality to the 2S1 and the Shilka.

My FLGS does have a couple of them lying around as well.
If I were going to do a US force, I might have picked one up as well since they got their first delivery of Zvezda stuff earlier today.

Yep, picked up a bunch of Zvezda T-72s today. Not as awful as I'd been lead to believe, though they're only marginally cheaper than BF's plastics will be.

Checking out the Battlefront boxes I wonder how bad Zvezda shilkas will fuck balance up; AA looks fucking nasty if it's dedicated with radars.

>Armour: Titanium bathtub

I finished the 2S1 entirely now, the turret is just as easy to build as the hull, as long as you don't glue in the gun upside down...

Detail is really much better than on their WW2 kit; the kit has a bunch of small bits for a storage bin and the searchlight. Even the recessed headlights are represented. The gun elevation can also be changed after assemby, as it's designed to be movable.
You even get two small bits so you can model the gun locked for travel or with the travel lock down.

>>43812691
Looking at the sprues, the T-72B doesn't seem as good as the 2S1 and the Shilka.
It was one of their first Cold War kits as well, like the Abrams and (to a lesser extent) the Bradley.
I think I'll spice mine up with a few extra bits here and there, like an AA MG.

As for the gameplay effects of the Shilka; note that both A-10s and Cobras can launch missile strikes from beyond the range of the Shilka's guns.
The Cobra does need to hang in place to do so, but it's still quite relevant.
It DOES protect one from gun runs and cluster bomb/rocket bombardments though, which is at least of some value. That's beyond its ability to shred anything that isn't a MBT in direct fire, as long as you pass some firepower tests.

>>43812818
Yup. That's the technical term for that bit of pilot protection.

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Just placed a large order of stupid shit lads! Pretty excite!
What are we all ordering?

>>43812843
On the BF sale?
Nothing, actually, as I've got pretty much all I plan to use for my WW2 armies.

Instead, I'm giving my FLGS a decent pile of money for a bunch of TY stuff, as mentioned here :>>43812145.

So if I'm looking at getting into late war brits or americans, what books should I look at first?

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>>43812887
>all I plan to use
"Using" is overrated.

>>43813200

>LW Brits and Americans

Overlord for D-Day and Normany
Blood Guts & Glory for Lorraine Armoured Companies
Nuts! for Bastogne US Airborne
Bridge at Remagen for Pershings
Market Garden for Brit Paras
Nachtjäger (note: means Night Hunter) for Brit Comets

>>43813200
Generally speaking, what >>43813230 said.

What specifically are you looking to play as British or Americans?

Maybe that could help us give more specific advice.

>>43812691
> Not as awful as I'd been lead to believe, though they're only marginally cheaper than BF's plastics will be.
Zvezda's T-72 are £7 each, BF's T-72 are 10 for £75 plus a pair of Hinds. Given that the Hinds will be, what, £25 for the pair it's only going to be cheaper with Zvezda if you want 6 or fewer.

>>43812843
Fuck all, buying direct from Battlefront is too much of a flustercluck with all their stock issues that the extra 20% isn't worth not supporting the local store.

I have spent like £300 already on Team Yankee across 15mm and 6mm though.

>>43813200
Overlord or Road to Rome are the best for generic British and American lists. There are more specialised lists (>>43813230) but if you're looking generally enough to be asking that question I'd suggest either of those two.

Does anyone have experience with the new BF plastic panthers / Jadgpanther box ?

All i've seen of them was by Herbert Erpaderp in his video.
https://youtu.be/FfS58GeEhdM

Are they worth it / as good as the PSC stuff.
Wold they fit well with other PSC models , as they are all i have currently bar some AA and a Famo.

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>>43813624
I really like them.
They are slightly bigger and have a longer gun than the PSC Panthers though, so I personally wouldn't use them together.
Pic related, BF Panthers im working on, and a hella old PSC Panther I painted in ambush camo years ago

>>43813208
>"Using" is overrated.

Remind me, how many Panthers do you have?

>>43813894
Loving the storage area on that bottom tank.

>>43813230
>>43813390
>>43813413
Thanks for the book listings.
>Challengers
Light tanks with 3/14/3+ guns with semi-indirect with late models being 3/15/3+? Jesus I want these now.

>>43815697
Also, do "Tally Ho!" and "Broadside" show up anywhere at all in late war British stuff?

>>43812843
i could , but i am low on cash, and my FLGS is fuck-stocked with all kinds of awesome shit.

so, imma hold off. better 20% when i can afford it than 33% when i cannot.

>>43815859
no, just glorious EW / MW

Crusaders w Tally Ho/Broadside is just nice...

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>been living under a rock]
>mfw I notice the sale Battlefront is running
>and shipping is capped at 10 dollaridoos

Goddamn I'm gonna get all the fucking king tigers and every fucking option a madman could take from Desperate Measures, and no one can stop me except for my bank

>>43817130
>so, imma hold off. better 20% when i can afford it than 33% when i cannot.

I can understand that.

Lord knows I've gone a little crazy on Black Friday sales in the past... And probably will again this year.

Although technically The War Store does kinda count as a local business for me, so I don't feel as bad...

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>trying to paint dunkelgelb over black primer
>takes fucking forever, like 8 coats
>on a whim, pull out hull red (the german primer color)
>Dunkelgelb goes on the first try and looks perfect
>mfw I've been trying to paint dunkelgelb for years and just figured this out

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>>43817159
>all the king tigers
>mfw I bought another 4, bringing the total up to 8
>>43814183
14 (proper ones), I recently gave one away but I'll be back up to 14 once Franz Bake arrives.
>>43815220
Thanks breh!

Hey, so I asked this in a seperate thread but some one redirected me here, which seems like a much better place to ask ... So my local game store is doing a infantry aces event, I want to do the fallschirmjager BUT I am not sure whether I should go with the generic grey wolf fallschirmjager or the fortress italy fallschirmjager (green devils or generic with Italian paratrooper option). My plan is that later on I am going to include tanks. I have a stockpile of panthers, stuggs, and panzer IV's. Which is the better option? The grey wolf book doesn't have the option for Panthers.

>>43819159
This may not help but I really like the Bridge by Bridge FSJ list.

>>43819159
Stand-for-stand, Fortress Italy is probably better - GW FSJ have more support options, but in an Infantry aces context that's not quite so relevant, whereas the 1.Fallschirmjagerkompanie bonuses are pretty damn solid in any situation.

As far as PzIVs or StuGs... wither is perfectly fine, really. Personal preference is usually the decider between those two unless there's something like StuHs involved.

>>43819159
As a major fan of Grey Wolf, I'd say go with Fortress Italy. The Grey Wolf list really won't start to come into its own until you hit some really high point totals. The Italy version should be more flexible at all points levels.

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Anyone else feel like the quality of the books has kind of taken a nose dive?

Not print quality per se, they're still sharp, but content wise.

Take a look at Desperate Measures for example, one of the last real books.

>No DLC armies, everything is in it ready to go
>Excellent painting guides that still had Vallejo product codes in it for painting winter uniforms, whitewashing tanks, battle damage, and a pretty good breakdown of ways to make German tanks look like a hodgepodge of units thrown together.
>Other than the Hero Tankovy, pretty much every list has something cool it can do and interesting units it can bring
>Has Hans "you can't strudle" the Rudel
>Rules that had character to them with serious buffs and drawbacks like "Hero" dramatically improving certain units if used correctly, and the German's "Enjoy the War."
>Less emphasis on snowflake lists, with options to field flexible "generic" companies on both sides, unlike Nachtjager where almost every platoon is pretty much locked into one or two builds.
>It's slavs vs. Krauts, aka most interesting matchup.

I dunno, I've just been kind of underwhelmed by most of the newer books. I'm only considering Berlin because it's so cheap with the sale, otherwise I wouldn't even bother. It and Nachtjager just feel so anemic with so much content cut out to make online lists.

>>43819546
I definitely agree, with the slight exception that I think Bridge at Remagen was after DM and was fine too. Both Berlin and Nachtjaeger Means Night Hunter seriously disappointed me in how mediocre the content was, and the shift to this DLC model has really put me off from buying anything much else from BF.

>>43813230
>Nachtjäger (note: means Night Hunter)
I'd forgotten all about that!

>>43813413
£75 for 9 and a pair of Hinds.

More importantly though they're not releasing tanks separately boxed until after christmas, so more business for Zvezda I guess.

>>43819546
I really like some of the lists in Barbarossa, but I can understand the frustration. Now I am just curious if we will get another book before 4th edition.

>>43821028
I am sure battlefront will sell all their starter sets, but it still seems like they are shooting themselves in the foot for this release cycle.

>>43821178
>curious if we will get another book before 4th edition.
don't they have a schedule up somewhere, with mid war pacific?

>>43821178
Part of the problem is, while the Barbarossa print lists were pretty cool and all, (albeit horiffically meta-breaking), the Barbarossa Digital lists were goddamn amazing in comparison, even if only in terms of sheer variety.

Slovaks. Goddamn Slovak lists, man. Plural, even.

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>receive invoice from Battlefront
>half of my shits out of stock
>no kingtigers or panthers

Just finished putting together a Zvezda T-72BA and Shilka. Here are my impressions:

>First, the T-72.
The kit looks decent, but represents a significantly more advanced vehicle than the ones Battlefront will release.
The T-72B has further improivements over the A version, including increased armour and an improved gun also capable of launching guided AT missiles.
The BA designation means this is also equipped with Kontakt-5 ERA, a more advanced version only introduced in 1985 and first implemented on the T-80. When compared to the usual small tiles, this offers additional protection against two-stage warheads and kinetic penetrators.

You could theoretically include these in the TY timeframe as one of the first units to receive the new tank and this new, still partially experimental, form of ERA. Only barely, though.

On to the model itself.
Hull and most of the turret details are decent, if a bit shallow, as is usual with Zvezda kits.
The problem lies with what's missing on the turret. There's no smoke launchers, no AA MG and no searchlight on the commander's cupola.
I fixed these shortcomings with some scratchbuilding and a slightly modified MG from the Battlefront ISU kit; those new plastics contain spare AA MGs.
With these additions, the kit looks decent, although I suspect Battlefront's soon-to-be-released kit will provide superior details for a similar price.

>>43822264
>Shilka
This kit is newer than the T-72, just like the 2S1 Gvozdika I build yesterday.
It has quite a few pieces, but they go together well to form a decently detailed kit, with the slight problem that many of these details are a bit shallow.
Interestingly, you can assemble the autcannon array and radar mount so they can still traverse up and down. However, the top cover plate for the autocannons isn't included in the articulation, which is kind of impractical; I simply glued the arrays down pointing in roughly the same direction.

Still, it looks nice and will still be quite a bit cheaper than Battlefront's resin+metal kit, so I'd say there's certainly a market for these like with the 2S1.

>>43821178
Frankly I'm expecting TY to come with like a dozen DLC lists from the core book.

>>43822531
I kinda doubt that.

If TY was gonna be DLC heavy, we'd be getting Poland and France in the printed book and the Americans and Soviets would be online-only.

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>>43813624

They seem good but I've only assembled the chassis on them so far. The plastic is definitely better than their metal and resin kits which tend to be a bit wonky. I'm making three Panthers and two Jagdpanthers, then using the remaining Panther decks and turrets to be buried tanks in Berlin.

>>43822062
I know that feel bruh.

>>43812839
>As for the gameplay effects of the Shilka; note that both A-10s and Cobras can launch missile strikes from beyond the range of the Shilka's guns.
>The Cobra does need to hang in place to do so, but it's still quite relevant.
>It DOES protect one from gun runs and cluster bomb/rocket bombardments though, which is at least of some value. That's beyond its ability to shred anything that isn't a MBT in direct fire, as long as you pass some firepower tests.

This is true, but having a 32" bubble of protection from air power is still going to be pretty scary in an environment where those don't exist.

Gophers are gonna fuck shit up, too; 56" guided AA for 1 point? Yes please.

>>43823942
Gophers are indeed gonna be quite useful, assuming your opponent has decided to bring along any airpower.
If they didn't, that's at least one worry less in return for a minimal amount of now-useless points.

I do really wonder how the airpower metagame will play out.
They're one of the things I didn't try in my test game, but potentially some of the most impactful.

>>43822062
You'd think that they'd prepare for events like these, they planned them for God's sake!

The "We Don't Fly So Nobody Else Gets To" list (100pts)

3x Motor Rifle Regiment consisting of:

HQ: 1 AK-74 team with BMP-1 (1pt)

Compulsory BMP-1 Motor Rifle Company (7pts):
-4x AK-74 and RPG-18
-3x RPG-7 teams
-SA-14 Gremlin AA team
-5x BMP-1s

Compulsory BMP-1 Motor Rifle Company (7pts):
-4x AK-74 and RPG-18
-3x RPG-7 teams
-SA-14 Gremlin AA team
-5x BMP-1s

Optional BMP-1 Motor Rifle Company (7pts):
-4x AK-74 and RPG-18
-3x RPG-7 teams
-SA-14 Gremlin AA team
-5x BMP-1s


Shilka AA Platoon (4pts)
-4x Shilka

Gopher SAM Platoon (4pts)
-4x Gopher

1x Divisional Artillery (10pts)
6x 2S1 Gvozdika

>>43824129
Why not swap some of the Gvozdikas for BMP-2s instead of BMP-1s?

That way, you get both more helicopter denial and more powerful long-range AT.

>>43821028
It's 10 in the starter box because of the delay.

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>the Heroics and Ros 6mm Abrams has better detailing than Zvezda's 15mm Abrams

I'm still mad about this waste of £7.

>>43824196
I don't know what's worse: That I missed more tools for keeping the proletariat's skies clear, or that this gives you some weapons that can head-on an Abrams and knock it out, which makes it look viable.

>>43824315
>H&R
>Not GHQ

>>43824501
Replacing all 10 gvozdikas with BMP-2s gives you a formation consisting wholly of BMP-2s with AA missiles; that's 15 ROF 3/2 shots that can go on copters or ATGMs that can front-pen an abrams and at longer range than it can return fire. Jesus christ. You'd need 45 BMPs to make that list.

>>43824129
And in return, the USA can bring 4 VADS.

>>43824589
>£1.70 a model and only sold in packs of 5
>£0.50 a model
GHQ are nicer, but they're not 3 - 4x nicer.

>>43824315
That's H&R? Last I checked their lines were lumps of lead in vaguely tanklike shape.

>>43824773
>45 BMPs
Who's got that list of prices again? Because there's no way this isn't going to be like £250-300.

>>43825126
Yeah. The TY stuff I picked up today seems fine, as was their 1967 stuff I got for Fate of a Nation. The Abrams and the late T-72 both seem nicer than the Centurion and M48A1 I have though.

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>>43824773
this. god in heaven, this

>>43825153
it's 37 per box, i think. all i know is someone just took my ideal soviet list and just net-listed it.


fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.....

>>43825046
GHQ are also kind of tricky to get hold of in Bongland, gotta go all the way to Sheffield for that shit.
>>43824315
Kek

>>43825325
One motor rifle battalion fully-equipped with BMPs at full strength is 40 BMP-2s and full-strength infantry accompaniment, with SAMs, 77 points with a little left over for something to round the list out.

That do anything for ya?

Hey Marko, thanks for the battle report the other day.

Team Yankee question: Do transport teams have to stay in cohesion with infantry, or is it legit to dump your cargo and drive off to shoot stuff while the infantry dig in?

>>43826176
It's legit to drop off the troops and go on your merry way.

The transports and the troops even count as two separate units once you do that.

>>43826176
Transports attachments are considered separate units, with their own leaders (HQ transports being the exception) if they aren't carrying passengers.

So they're indeed free to drive off and do whatever they want.

Note that other teams are also mostly free to move away from their leader and still act; you just can't dash and your shooting while moving is penalized.
But if you want, that one team can go try playing Rambo.

>>43826176
Hinds would be terrible if you couldn't leave the guys behind.

>>43825325
>it's 37 per box, i think.
That'd be cra-

Holy shit it is £37 for a box of 5 transports, what the christ. Aren't tanks like 30 or 35 or something? What the actual fuck?

>>43826513
Do note that BMPs are about a meter longer than Shermans.

Most of these modern vehicles are actually pretty big.

>>43826544
It's still going to be smaller than an Abrams. And you're going to need up to 13 of these things for /one company/.

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>>43826513
>£37

>>43826624
I honestly don't expect you'll see many full-strength Soviet companies.
Not just for financial reasons, but also for battlefield flexibility and their vulnerability to artillery strikes and bombings. Maybe 1 to defend an objective, but probably not a full battalion.

>>43826513
>>43826663
Finding pricin for TY seems to be pretty tricky in general.
Are you sure that isn't a placeholder price?

>>43826663
Or you could buy them from QRF or Skytrex where they'd be £26 for four. In metal.

>>43826830
God, I hope so, or nobody's going to play mechanised.

>>43826513
Correction, anon.
>>43826663
£37 for four :^)

>>43826663
But 4 M113s are £20 RRP right now though.

>>43827190
£36.75 at Firestorm, at least. For the TY preorder ones.

>>43827295
Why would you waste your money on the TY ones when the Vietnam models are almost identical and half the price?

The price is obviously wrong.

>>43827295
the vietnam ones are currently £13 from BF.

>>43827459
>implying BF has stock

>>43827476
Yeah it's sad that their logistics are fucking garbage, but still I just highlight the difference.

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>>43827295
>>43827190
>>43826908
>>43826859

just for all of you:

ate November

Team Yankee Book 20 Euros

Bannons Boys 65 Euros ***********likely 90 USD*************

Potechnovs Bears 90 Euros
---------------Early December

A-10 (x2) 36 Euros ***************************** 36

Su-25 (x2) 36 Euros

M113/M106 Platoon (x5) 35 Euros

Infantry Platoon US (27) 14,50 Euros ************2x 29

Motor Rifle Company (79) 36 Euros ------------- 36

Motor Rifle Platoon (24) 9,50 Euros -------------

Modern Roads 35 Euros

Modern Roads Expansion 35 Euros
Mid December

Cobra (x2) 25 Euros **********************??? 25

Hind (x2) 30 Euros ------------------x3 90

Template Soviet 20 Euros

Soviet Token Set 9,50 Euros

Template US 20 Euros

US Token Set 9,50 Euros

Oil Tanks 22 Euros

Concrete Walls 16 Euros
---------------------Early January

M1 (x5) 35,00 Euros

BMP1/BMP2 (x5) 35,00 Euros -----------------2x 70

T72 (x5)35,00 Euros

American Paint Set 20 Euros

Soviet Paint Set 18 Euros

Yankee Green Spray 10 Euros

Soviet Green Spray 10 Euros

Factory Building 42 Euros
Late January

M163/M901 (x4) 28 Euros ************** 28

M109 Battery (x3) 31 Euros

ZSU 23-4 (X2) 20 Euros --------------2x 40

BM-21 (X3) 31 Euros

SA-13 (x2) 20 Euros -----------------20

2S1 Carnation (x3) 31 Euros

Petrol Station 22 Euros

Signs 22 Euros

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>>43827983
i shoulda cleaned that up.....

>>43827983
>Releasing motor rifles in december and BMPs in january

why

>>43828442
Battlefront a shit

>>43827983
Do we know what's plastic and what's resin of that?

New to this, thoughts on this 1500 point force in an all-tank meta?

MG Brit Armored Recce, 11th armored (Confident Trained)

Squadron HQ - 2x Cromwell IV, Cromwell IV ARV (155)

Armored Recce Platoon - 3x Cromwell IV, Challenger A30 (335)

Armored Recce Platoon - 3x Cromwell IV, Challenger A30 (335)

Armored Recce Platoon - 3x Cromwell IV, Challenger A30 (335)

Armored Recce Platoon - 3x Cromwell IV, Challenger A30 (335)


Alternate list I made with Nachtjager:

NJ Brit Armored Recce, 11th armored (Confident Veteran)

Squadron HQ - Cromwell IV, Cromwell IV CS (170) (because for some reason you HAVE to have a CS)

Cromwell Platoon - 4x Cromwell IV (380)

Cromwell Platoon - 4x Cromwell IV (380)

Challenger Platoon - 4x Challenger (570)

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>>43821353

All I could find was this.

>>43830631
see the team yankee site product view: the boxes state all-plastic or have grey/white assembly on the back for resin.

infantry is metal.

Why is this thread on page 9 when dead games can keep themselves in front of page 6? Does nobody actually talk about this game?

>>43835005
>Why is this thread on page 9

I't's after midnight in the US, and fuck-early in the morning in Europe.

People have to sleep sometime.

>dead games can keep themselves in front of page 6

Well they must not be dead then.

>Does nobody actually talk about this game?

We're all kinda waiting for the next big release to come out.

What's the most 88s a german force can field at 1500 points?

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>>43824315
£7? Ha! I paid 7 ameribucks for mine. Oh, shit, pass the vodka...

(the soviet stuff looked so good I bought the american stuff too, also, my goddamned hind and Apaches were missing their acrylic canopies)

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>>43836033
Kampfgruppe Von Swoboda, a Kampfgruppe that regular Panzerfunker listeners will know that I can't pronounce at all.

Twelve FlaK 88s.

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>>43836033
'bout 12.

Plus the 88s on the Tigers, if you want to count those.

>>43836141
>>43836110
Oh god yes. YESSSSS. My unhealthy love of the 88 has an outlet now.

>>43836247
You also have the option of taking 12 HMGs in the Infantry slot, if you *really* want to be a turtleman

>>43831416
>no infantry
>no artillery
>no recce
This ain't like 40k where you just pick one unit and minmax on them; combined arms is a core and necessary part of list writing.

>>43831416
>(because for some reason you HAVE to have a CS)

That would be because History.

>>43837332
>MG Brit Armored Recce
>3x Armored Recce Platoon
>no recce

>>43837834
Entertainingly, they're not actually recce units (though they have some recce rules).

Is it advisable to use an airbrush to paint the tri-colour pattern on Panzer IVs, or will it look acceptable when done with a brush?

>>43837860
I personally use a brush to paint a hard-edged camo pattern on my German tanks.
Some local players also use brushes with some kind of blend/stipple technique to paint something that looks decently like the soft-edged stuff.

German tanks got their camo mostly applied after delivery to their units, so there's quite a lot of variety you can go with.
After all, not all units had airbrushes (or even ordinary brushes), let alone the correct thinner et cetera.
They could also get creative with the patterns themselves.

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>>43837860
You can do either, units in the field could have everything from dedicated paint stations with air guns to sticks with rags tied to them.

You'd have paint mixed with gasoline, water, whatever they had handy.

Hell sometimes they didn't even get all the colors they needed and made do with one or the other.

So go with whatever works for you and looks good.

>>43837860
Airbrush is love anon.
I've always used a brush in the past, but on the recommendation of Mr Jimenez I might start using Blu-tac masks and doing my hard-edged camo with the airbrush too, it just seems to produce really nice results.

>>43837834
Try actually reading the rules before being a smartarse. They're not recce.

>>43822908
>>secret burrowing panzer surfaces its "periscope"

>>43838236
I'm sorry, I don't even play

>>43838273

AFAIK they were more like operational recce, rather than actual recce as represented by the recon rules in game, which refers more to tactical recon.

>>43838295
That was the idea pre-Normandy, but in reality the proved far too cumbersome and were really just used like another tank battalion. Real recce for the armoured divs continued to be done by the armoured car Regiments (Inns of Court, 2nd Household Cav, 11th Hussars, etc.).

>>43831416
For 15th/19th Hussars, I done very well with this at 1500:

Squadron HQ - 2x Cromwell IV, 2x Cromwell CS, Cromwell ARV (255)

AR Platoon - 3x Cromwell, Challenger (335)
AR Platoon - 3x Cromwell, Challenger (335)
AR Platoon - 3x Cromwell, Challenger (335)

Scout Patrol - 3 UCs, 1x .50 Cal, 1x PIAT, 1x MG (110) (CV)
Inns of Court Patrol - 2 Daimler, 1 Saw-off Daimler,add PIAT to SOD (120) (CV)

1490 pts with 6 Platoons. The Recce platoons are both Confident Veteran which helps Recce enormously.

>>43838273
Fair enough then brer

>>43838236
They get some recce rules, at least, but yeah.

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this shit about Brit A.R companies...

>mfw

Do we know what we're getting after the US/Soviet load? I expect the new WarPac stuff will be less interesting since AFAIK they all used T-series tanks, but NATO-side we've got BAOR, western Germany (Leopards ho!), AMXes...

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>>43840032
next is BOAR, then West germany/East Germany...

likely in 2017.


on the weeaboo front:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqk8Eg1A0RI

Girl und Panzer Film released in Japan, and got second place at the box office in that Country. holy shit.

the above link has a bunch of new visuals, just for the hell of it.

>>43837332
As I said, my local group plays entirely with tanks. I mean ENTIRELY. The only non-tank unit I've seen has been the jeeps for someone's American tank destroyers. They play Bolt Action when they want to do infantry stuff. Since I'm new to this, I'm just keeping with how everyone else does it.

>>43837433
>That would be because History.
I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough with WWII history, can you explain why they did that in real life?

>>43838495
Thanks for the recommendation. What's the general tactics you use with this force, particularly with the scout patrols and Cromwell CSs?

>>43840313
>everyone else plays exclusively tanks
Wow, that sounds like a kinda, I dunno, lame community? It's neither competitive or historical, but I guess if they're having fun then that's their business.

Anyway, if you know they're doing that you should probably be looking into an infantry list with anti tank guns aplenty. Let them waste all their points of AT and punish them for their lack of effective assault assets.

>>43840313

Christ, that's a weird meta. Should run infantry a few times. Chances are they're horribly underprepared for it.

>history
Because there's always going to be enemy infantry. Probably more than enemy tanks, and it pays to have a tank around with just the right sort of gun to kill them. There's also anti tank guns to consider. Plus historically speaking, British tank guns tended to be better at killing tanks than blowing up infantry. Tank MG's aside, a small amount of specialist anti infantry tanks (they could used as ersatz artillery as well) payed off, particularly when they were mostly using 2 pounders with a crappy HE round.

As for the tactics, use the CS tanks to bulk up platoon sizes for assaults, and to deal with anti tank guns and infantry. As for the rest, you're fast, and good at long range, so get to the good spots first, and start shooting. Those challengers'll make mincemeat of enemy tanks if you set them up right. The scout platoon's mainly for annoying enemy infantry in the open, and for pushing back the eligable space for ambushes. They'll also make for a dangerous opposition for enemy scouts, and mechanised.

>>43840313
>Since I'm new to this, I'm just keeping with how everyone else does it.

Your group is a bit of an oddball then. This game is not meant to be played as tanks only.

It can be, but you miss out on at least half the rules and half the experience by doing so.

A veteran infantry list with plenty of bazookas and anti-tank guns could throw a real monkey wrench into your local meta.

>>43840732
Yeah, from the sounds of it people's armies are literally just 1500pts of their combat platoons? The guy with like 15 StuGs as his list can never beat a US infantry list of rifles, TTDs and arty with an AOP, I don't think.

Yeah bring a load of 6/17pdr infantry guns. Dig in. Laugh.

>>43840604
>>43840682
>>43840732
Yeah, I'm planning on doing an AT infantry force later, but at least to start I'm sticking with what everyone does and knows because everyone's familiar with those rules and I'm new.

>>43840682
So in this tank-centric meta, I assume the CSs would mainly be for laying smoke or hoping for a few good hits if the enemy clusters up? I can get using the scout platoons (and the arty) to fuck up those jeeps that that one guy uses for his tank destroyers to come in on.

Also, there's not a way for those American TDs to stay gone to ground while shooting, and Gone to Ground/Concealment doesn't help against arty, correct?

>>43840313
Cromwell tactics: fire direct fire smoke a lot to mask enemy units, then engage the un-smoked targets with the the Challengers which are your real vehicle killers (I'm assuming vs. tanks here). Stay more than 16" away to use Semi-Indirect Fire, and the range of the enemy smoked tanks will only be 16" thus they will have to move to hit you, reducing their RoF.

The Cromwell CS tanks can DF smoke, or fire a 6"x 6"smoke bombardment to again reduce return fire. Your 16" moving Cromwells can also get to flanks quickly, so sometime the best option is to rush forward rather than engaging in a long-range shoot-out. For instance, flanking Panther is viable with their Side Armour 5; for Tigers with SA8 I'd prefer to engage at range and get kills with the Challengers. Generally, I prefer thinning out the enemy with some kills from the Challengers before advancing with the Croms to finish them off.

The Recce is there to reveal Gone to ground on infantry and guns which...apparently your group does not use? Do you play with objectives? If so the recce can run for those, but if your group only plays tanks then you are probably better off maximising the no. of tanks you have and focusing on force destruction. In that case your first list (HQ + 4 AR Platoons) is definitely better, but I play in a regular environment, i.e. where infantry and guns are also an issue and here the Recce is absolutely vital.

All in all...Trained tanks with FA6 are pretty weak: they get hit easily and they die easily, so the main assets you have are speed (16" movement), RoF 3 SiF with the Challengers (and SiF with the Croms, though I'd usually be firing smoke with these unless the target is FA6) and a lot of smoke shots. Make yourself smoke markers and use the smoke rounds...a lot. You'll need them.

>>43840903
Oh, and do the british artillery special rules only apply to those with staff teams, and thus not the Crom CSs with the squadron HQ or Luttrell's CS Platoon? And does Luttrell's "Recovery Expert" apply to teams outside his platoon as well?

>>43840903
>CS
I guess so. Planting smoke on heavy tanks or good shooters like Fireflies is a traditional means of fucking with them. Smoking spotters, as well.

>vs arty
It makes the ranging in harder. Which in turn affects the to hit number when you actually roll to hit.

>>43840971
Only with Staff Team

It says "any team withing 6"/15cm" of Luttrell, so yes.

>>43840909
>>43840978
>>43841002
Thanks for the advice guys, it really helps. I may be tempted to take the >>43838495 list and separate the Cromwell CSs from the HQ and give them to Luttrell for those nice bonuses.

What's the general opinion here on Comets?

>>43840909
Recce is still vital in a tank heavy meta for preventing ambushes and therefore reducing the defender's advantage, and on defence it's a cheap platoon that should hypothetically allow you to deploy more assets on the table (eg the saving lets you put more points into the platoons that'll start on the table, or you'll go from 4 platoons of 5 tanks to 2 of 5, 2 of 4 and 2 recce platoons which would let you deploy 14 tanks rather than 10 sort of thing). It can also be very, very useful on defence against Spearheading lists - if someone has Patton or PTTM Panzers or something you might be looking at 15-20 medium tanks getting a pre game move which a single recce platoon could shut down.

>>43841136
Comets are maybe nice as a support platoon for infantry, but as a whole list of them they're too expensive. In your bass ackwards meta that might well be different? People taking lists of just their combat platoon tanks is honestly different enough that it's hard to give advice about; a Panther's overkill main gun, terrible assault capabilities and vulnerability to artillery don't count against it when everything is tanks, for example.

>>43825704
Im Dutch and GHQ just shipped them right to my door. Shouldn't be too different for Britbongistan.

>>43841136
Also, is there any particularly good place to get brit minis? I know that some of my former roommates that played got their stuff from non-battlefront stores, but a quick internet search isn't showing anything cheaper and in-scale than the stuff on the battlefront website.

>>43841251
Still means paying transatlantic shipping though, right? £55 plus shipping from the US vs £15 plus UK shipping for 31 tanks; or £8 for a Hind vs £2 is a big enough difference that I really feel I can't justify buying GHQ instead. At that ratio it'd go from £200 for everything in Team Yankee up to breaking a thousand dollars. Or, from the same budget I'd rather have enough models to make literally any 100pt list (plus virtually any higher points list, of course) than a much more restricted collection.

For me, at least, the purpose of buying 6mm is to have a bunch of cheap models covering multiple factions so that I can play FoW in other eras where cost and finding opponents is a big issue. Having one Soviet and one US list (or worse, just models for one faction) isn't really a viable idea

>>43841495
Plastic Soldier Company are the bomb. Zvezda has some stuff too, but you'll get them through the PSC website.

>>43841533
PSC Brit minis are Good.

Their american and soviet infantry less so.

Are there any rules for the Czechoslovak Armoured Brigade at the moment? Or are they so irrelevant that they'll never get a list?

>>43842902
Soviets are a bit meh, the Americans are wearing the wrong uniforms.

>>43844415
>>43842902
Soviets I have no strong opinions on (although the nature of soviet lists is such that going for cheap but poor quality sculpts is somewhat justifiable), the original Grenadiers (as opposed to the Normandy Grenadiers or EW Germans) are kinda naff and the Americans are just garbage and not even wearing the right uniforms.

>>43842902
>>43844415
>>43844571
So the quality and accuracy of their minis depends on physical distance between their HQ in England and the nation in question?

>>43844717
You got it that's it that's the reason.

>>43844717

Yeah the problem is that they're made of a brittle plastic that you can only really find in britain, when it's standing still it's stable and great for detail but when it is in motion it begins to very slowly degrade. Not an issue on the was to the FLGS but when shipped thousands of miles some degradation may occur.

>>43844266

http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/Documents/Briefings/Czech-Armoured-Brigade.pdf

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>>43844717
Yes.
>yfw PSC releases 15mm Australians and Japanese

>>43844415
PSC Americans uniforms are wrong?
I read in plastic soldier review that the uniform was right for late war. But since I don't know anything about americans uniforms from ww2...

>>43845964
Completely wrong webbing. The straps are the kind that you'd expect see on Germans, not Americans.

>>43846118
Yeah they basically reused the German sculpts. They share the same poses too.

This was wayyyyyyy back when psc was first starting though. Their quality has steadily improved over time

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>>43836141
Nachjager is such a great book. Here's an improved list, that has 16 FlaK37s, 2 KwK42s, and a PaK43. And all the infantry have Panzerfausts and Assault Rifles. Because fuck everything.

>>43846780
Don't forget FlaK41s with the Long 88 and AT 16 everywhere in Berlin, NJ, and DM.

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>tfw the madness is starting all over again

Has anyone here had experience with the falschimjager minis from plastic soldier company? Iv'e been thinking of getting back into the hobby and like that the army can be played in early/mid/late war with the same core army. Also with pak-40s coming from PSC soon it looks like a good way to start playing Germans.

>>43849373
They look great to me, at least about as good as you can get with plastic.

Now would be the time to get them, Warstore has sales going on that should get you roughly 20-30% if you're american if you're clever.

Plus, you can pick up the support weapons as well, which is an awesome combo. You'll have a true infantry company ready to go from two boxes, and from there just need some bases and some vehicles/arty to back them up.

Is there any British list that can get both Cromwells and Churchills? I like the idea of a slow but durable core and some fast flankers.

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>>43849340
>>43849404

Hungaroboo, i ...i thought you had this stuff....
what is this ....madness?

PSC is having a 25% off Black Friday sale.

>>43850769
Noice!
On the subject of PSC, do any of our slavfriends have both the PSC and BF plastic t-34s? Is it worth paying the extra for the battlefront version, and how do they look side-by-side?

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>>43850039
>Implying 90% of the German vehicles I own aren't wearing Hungarian colors

Also I've always wanted to go full retard with 6 Porsche King Tigers from Desperate Measures. And I needed a physical copy of Red Bear for my Slavs. And I wanted Berlin for glorious assault sappers.

King Tigers for $16 a pop was just too good to pass up. Hell, the plastic boxes come out to $6 a tank. If I could afford more my true wishlist is around $500

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>>43851085
Oh yeah and when else am I gonna get the chance for 5 individually sculpted Tiggers for the price of a battlefront plastic box?

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For anyone who's interested in an EW Slovak Army and wants their Unique Avia BB.534 Air Support option, Eduard has just released their plastic 1/144 kit of this aircraft.

Currently ~$25USD for a box of 4, which includes a 15% Black Friday sale discount.

They also have a large number of other plastic 1/144 planes suitable for air support, if anyone's interested - B and G Stukas, Mk.IX Spitfires, JU-52s if you want something to go with your Fallschirmjäger, and If you want some Cold War air support, MiG-15s and -21s of various types.

http://www.eduard.com/store/Eduard/Plastic-kits/Super44/Aircraft/1-144/?cur=2

>>43850884
BF are better IMO, they are easier to magnetise so I did not have to bother hacking apart the PSC ones. Also, BF tracks are single piece and have better detail. I picked up a few recently (read 21...), wish I knew the sale was coming.

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>get panzer 4s in my order from battlefront
>despite the online store image being the updated version, they are the old ones with the fucked up idler wheel
For fucks sake Battlefront

>>43851672
>fucked up idler wheel

They grease their moulds with your tears.

>>43851680
They're going straight back lol

>>43850884

The PSC tanks are a little smaller than the BF resin T-34-76 I have. It's not that noticeable. I am happy with the PSC kit, especially how they paint up. They take slightly longer to assemble. I don't know anything about the Battlefront plastics.

>>43850884
Similar question here on the PSC Cromwells. Are they notably smaller than the BF plastics or resins?

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>>43850884
>Battlefront plastic
Shit... just woke up and missed the key point of the post.

Just finished adding some decals to my Zvezda T-72BA and pair of Shilkas.

It's really worth mentioning that these Zvezda kits contain a pretty well-filled decal sheet.
If you use them well, there's enough decals on each sheet to do 3-6 vehicles with ease.

Earlier, some of you were asking about the Zvezda M109 Paladin.
When I got to my FLGS yesterday, I could take a good look at one that the owner built for himself.
Its quality seems to be about as good as that on the 2S1 Gvozdika and the Shilka. It has the .50 cal (with the option of modeling it unmounted) and the options to model the gun travel lock up/down and the recoil supports up or down.
The decal sheet is a bit less extensive than on the Soviet kits, with a smaller number of larger digits and the chevrons. Still enough for one or possibly two models.
Looks like that one's a goopd buy as well.

>>43851680
>>43851672
I take it back, it was just the boxes that were out of date, the new tracks were inside.

>>43852320
>Earlier, some of you were asking about the Zvezda M109 Paladin.

That was me.

Good to hear that they're a good kit. I might try to pick up a few of those then.

>>43851656
The PSC T-34s also have one piece tracks now.

>>43853585

Oh thank fuck.

>>43853585
Ah noice, you don't have to buy them as an upgrade?

>>43854311
>Easy Assembly plastic injection moulded 15mm Russian T34 tank. Five vehicles in the box and each sprue gives options to build either a T34/76 or a T34/85 and comes with a commander figure * Now with one piece track option, in additon to existing detailed 3 part track units *

>>43855514
Alright, how many boxes do I need? Will 20 T-34s suffice for most lists?

>>43855572
31 or bust, faggot.

No, but seriously, you'll want to do the 31 T-34 list some time so you might as well buy them cheap and get them done.

>>43855659
I'm pretty tempted by the Russian armoured company PSC are doing right now desu, that'll get me 21.
Then all id need is to buy the x3 bundle at some point, and paint the final 5 as beutepanzers.
I didn't even hit £200 with my FoW-shopping so far, so I might aswell lol

>>43850884
I have built both but sold all the plastic soldier ones. The PSC have way more fucked up details (the 85 mm gun is way too big, wheels are suitable for late-late models, hull details are clunky, crew is awful) then Battlefronts and are much smaller. If you can spare the cash, go with Battlefront.

>>43855572
No, you will never need more than 21 T-34s in Flames of War unless you are playing 6 gorillion points Prokhorovka space invader battles.

I've played soviet tanks for a long time and have never used more than 19 T-34s.

Who bases their vehicles? Does it cause any gameplay issues with fitting the vehicles into narrow spaces?

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>>43857101
>Who bases their vehicles?
Barbarians and heretics

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>>43857051
I've done it, and it's effective, was killer effective in v2

i am lookin forward to seeing how Hero Tankovy actually work on the table, since we all know it sucks on paper, i wanna see what it does under pressure.

>>43857385
i know a very awesome gentleman locally who bases fuckign everything.

i did bring up the issue of game playability and he gladly agreed to measure from the model, though he mentioned how it keeps your tanks at accurate distances instead of car parking.

>>43858549
>an extra 5mm gap between tanks is enough to push it into accurate distances
lol

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>>43857051
>6 gorillion points Prokhorovka space invader battles
I want this in my life

>>43858896
>a game where I could actually deploy all my panthers and have points left
Someday..

>>43850039

is this david bowie in the wehrmacht?

>>43859342
So you could fit in what, 12 of them?

>>43857385
Forged in battle is superior to all your shitstain models and you know it.

Embrace the base. That way your infantry and tanks match.

Bugs the fuck out of me how you base infantry and some vehicles, but not all vehicles

>>43860041
>Bugs the fuck out of me how you base infantry and some vehicles, but not all vehicles

Like every game?

>>43858724
actually, the bases offered about 9 per side, total 18 between tanks on a 'tight squezze.

his bases were atrociously big.

>>43859948
BG&G generally allows 11 or so, typically.

it depends on the lists, and is multi-force available?

>>43860041
whoa there, cochise....

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>>43859948
>so you could field what, 12 of them
>mfw

Technically he'd need 40 more burning ones, but yes

>>43861995
Well, whenever I field panthers, my head cannon is there's twice as many just off the field trying to fix their engines.

>>43811396
Am I seeing things or does he have 3 confirmed UFO kills?

Lots of videos and photos from the Team Yankee boot camp: http://www.beastsofwar.com/eventslist/team-yankee-boot-camp-friday/

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>>43860041
So, if you hate wargames with vehicles this much, why are you here?

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>>43866334
they were friendly fire incidents

>>43866681
>that t34 statue terrain piece.

That's fucking brilliant. I'll have to remember that for modern terrain

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>>43866334
Think about it. UFO. Unidentified Flying Object. The term was military parlance for any unidentified aerial objects (whether it be aircraft, spy balloons, or threatening looking birds) long before it was associated with extra-terrestrials.

That said, I don't think the flying saucer motif came into popular culture until the Roswell incident, so given the age of the photo, its probably shooped.

So, got a new question for you guys (I posted a while back about fallschirmjagers) where do I find the rules for german snipers ?? I know they exist, and some of my lists have the option (in infantry aces it seems like they or an MG team would be amazing) but where are they??

>>43867811

All snipers use the same rules; I don't think Germany gets any special variants. Page 110 in the rulebook gives you everything you need.

They're useful in an infantry-heavy meta, but decreasingly so as vehicles come in; they can still prove useful however even in a combined arms situation if you can use them to pin an artillery battery.

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>>43866667
You forgot the most important picture.

>>43858549
I don't think the Hero Tankovy is really that bad in lower point games like 1500 points or lower. With the 160mm mortars, Panthers have to be more careful and bigger cats are very uncommon at those points levels. I haven't found any Hero Tankovy list that I like at 1750 however.

>You were banned from all boards for the following reason:
>Replying to a dubs thread.

Is this some kind of new meme going on?

>>43863651
Top kek.

I was really looking forward to team yankee until I saw those prices. Le Fuck It, as the french would say

>>43869770
How so?

They're on-par with the standard FoW prices for army boxes like that.

Hell, the Soviet starter box seems like an especially good deal. 9 tanks, 2 fucking huge helicopters, templates and tokens for US $90? I'd say that's a pretty good deal.

Slightly less so for the Yankees, but still an ok deal.

>>43869770
you need to remember that the MBTs are quite a bit bigger than the standard tanks of ww2, so would cost more (like tigers do)

Thing is tigers are normally only a few per list, whereas those are going to be tank-heavy lists.

>>43870384
Not nessesarily.

You'll have maybe 8-10 M1s max as the US.

As for Soviets... It's hard to say at this point. Some people are saying BMPs might be the better choice for Soviets over the T-72s.

>>43870430
>Some people are saying BMPs might be the better choice
even more bmps, and do we know how much they'll cost?

>>43870437
Somebody posted a price-list up-thread.

It's in either Pounds or Euros though.

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>>43870463
euro's: here again, cleaned up:

Team Yankee Book 20 Euros
Bannons Boys 65 Euros
Potechnovs Bears 90 Euros

A-10 (x2) 36 Euros
Su-25 (x2) 36 Euros
M113/M106 Platoon (x5) 35 Euros
Infantry Platoon US (27) 14,50 Euros
Motor Rifle Company (79) 36 Euros
Motor Rifle Platoon (24) 9,50 Euros
Modern Roads 35 Euros
Modern Roads Expansion 35 Euros

Cobra (x2) 25 Euros
Hind (x2) 30 Euros
Template Soviet 20 Euros
Soviet Token Set 9,50 Euros
Template US 20 Euros
US Token Set 9,50 Euros
Oil Tanks 22 Euros
Concrete Walls 16 Euros

M1 (x5) 35,00 Euros
BMP1/BMP2 (x5) 35,00 Euros
T72 (x5)35,00 Euros
American Paint Set 20 Euros
Soviet Paint Set 18 Euros
Yankee Green Spray 10 Euros
Soviet Green Spray 10 Euros
Factory Building 42 Euros

M163/M901 (x4) 28 Euros
M109 Battery (x3) 31 Euros
ZSU 23-4 (X2) 20 Euros
BM-21 (X3) 31 Euros
SA-13 (x2) 20 Euros
2S1 Carnation (x3) 31 Euros
Petrol Station 22 Euros
Signs 22 Euros


anyway, off to Tanksgiving, wish me luck!

>>43870765
>anyway, off to Tanksgiving, wish me luck!

Good luck!

Let us know how things go.

>>43867589
Thanks mate.

>>43860226
1.8m between tanks is still incredibly close, is it not?

>>43871424
The minis are 1/100, but the ground scale is kinda telescopic.

>>43872440
If we're discussing the look of the game then it's the model scale that matters, and ~ half a tank width between them still looks very "parking lot" even if they're not literally scraping against each other.

I suppose with Battlefront releasing an expansion with a fictional background the only way onwards for their WW2 line will be some 1946 alternate history thing with soviets having IS-3s, the U.S. having the T28 super tank and the Germans with Entwicklung series tanks and Triebflugels flying overhead.

>>43874082
Not necessarily. There's still the Pacific Theater that's been untouched.

Plus Mid-War needs to be brought up to Version 3 standards.

>>43874082
>>43874514
Yeah, after the release of the Pacific (and possibly China, for all your warlords goodness) they probably have enough content that needs updating to keep them going for years to come.

Along with model updates and potentially even more variant lists, they've probably got at least 2-3 years of WW2 releases only, and that's before you start thinking about a new edition of the core rules.

>>43849750
>British
Late answer but I don't think so; they were opposite tank philosophies.

Anyone know when we're getting Brits for TY?

>>43875356
The game isn't even out yet. The Soviet and American forces aren't even out yet.

British, West Germans, East Germans, etc will probably be a while yet.

>>43875802
Do we have any confirmation we're getting other forces? Team Yankee was just about a US company vs a USSR one, wasn't it?

>>43875857
BF have confirmed in interviews that they're planing to release Brits and West Germans in the near future, in that order.

It'll probably be a few months after this first wave has been completed, after we get the Mid/Late War Pacific books at least.

Looking at the Beasts of War videos for TY, the interactions between helicopters and AA-capable assets look like they'll be extremely interesting.

Especially since you can shoot at enemy air units just before they shoot (but you can't pre-empt with ATGMs), but any units that do so will not be able to fire next turn.

Also, Cobras want to remain stationary and hidden behind tall terrain to launch their iTOWs (only usable while stationary), while Hinds try to sneak around things to use their shorter-ranged Spiral missiles that CAN be fired on the move.

>>43875915
How're all the NATO vehicles going to stack up? We've got Challenger I and Leopard 2 at this point, right?

Why are late war American armored lists such bullshit?

So I'm off to play my first properly competitive game in 18 months in the morning.

Can someone remind me the rules?

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>>43871205

so, who wants to hear a little about Tanksgiving 2015, and see some pics?

it was fuckign metal

note: the kid in the pic is an acrtual israeli. we had an israeli family attend Tanksgiving, and they were quite pleased with watching an AIW tank-war game....
mega-spoiler: talked the dad into flames of war. and lo, i might actually get an Israeli vs. Nazi anachronistic tank-war in, with an Actual Israeli as my opponent!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking-metal.com!

>>43880048
>hasn't played in a year and a half
>has a game tomorrow morning
>is looking for us to re-teach him the game before then

You don't ask for much, do you?

It is good to see you around again though VP. It's been a while.

The best advice I can give you is to study the quick-reference sheet in the back of the rule book.

Also, see if you can still find Battlefront's Boot Camp videos on YouTube.

Good Luck! And let us all beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking.

:-P

You'll do fine.

What kind of army are you planning on playing with?

>>43879555
>Why are late war American armored lists such bullshit?

Huh? I thought they're actually quite good? Unless there's been some massive meta shift I'm unaware of...

>>43880048
Everyone brings nothing but goddamn IS 2's, King Tigers, and waves of soviet tanks in complete defiance of what you're told to expect for the meta.

Center your list entirely on killing tanks, you'll thank me later.

Poor Zrinyi's don't too well against a 35 tank soviet horde and German heavy cats...

>>43881537
>I thought they're actually quite good?
Bullshit to play against. Jumbos absorbing 90% of the hits they take, smoke everywhere, able to move and fire without much issue, being nearly as fast as light tanks, deadly TDs popping up wherever they want, and their AOPs saying no to any ambushes.

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>>43881490
Glad you're getting new blood into the game, but really, take a chill pill. It'd be like getting me to play landschneckt.

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>>43881607
thatr was last tourney...

oh, fuck King Tigers...you need assault troops or Air/Artie to that shot. or smoke...ubiquitous smoke....did the Zrinry's smoke?

and i agree on the soviet waves, they suck to fight....


>>43881745
so, Tanksgiving or no....

i play israelis...the guy was thinking of US paras or freaking germans for WWII...and i don't care if i'm 'racist' ...that word has long since lost meaning....

and i would love to fight an actuall ( X ) across the tabletop...hell, get a black guy to play ZANU or ZAPU and i will gladly drag out my Rhodesians....

>>43882154
>smoke

They don't have some, why do you think zrinyis are so cheap? 24" range, no smoke, and lower side armor.

StuH's are superior for a reason

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>>43883585
Well, that's why they're only 225pts.

You guys didn't seriously think they were repainted StuH's for that price, did you? You get a 60pt discount per platoon for a reason.

At least they have protected ammo and an AA MG.

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>>43883769
>not knowing this
>mfw

What, did you guys think I was playing on ezmode or something? These little fuckers take skill to use, I tell you hwhat

>>43884492
so, what in Hungary list HAS smoke? might i ask, good sir?

Colorado is awesome

>>43884763
Nebelwerfers and 82mm mortars.

That's all that comes to mind

>>43884763
The Germans :3

>>43884894
You cheeky fuck

I forgot about that

>>43881642
>Jumbos absorbing 90% of the hits
You should be gun tanking the 76s and/or using friendly models to block line of fire to the Jumbos.

They're still bullshit because of special rule creep and blatant yank favoritism, sure, but Jumbos can be fought against to some extent.

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>mfw someone tells me I should take some T-72s or some support choices or something

How long after placing an order with BF will they tell me that half the shit I wanted is out of stock?

>>43887693
If you're as lucky as I am, you'll get a paper mentioning that stuff is backordered inside the unusually small parcel you received.

>>43881537

Hahaha, I've actually spent a couple of days going through the QR guide and the rulebook but it's busting off those rusty edges.

Good or bad, it didn't come to fruition - I awoke this morning to a text from one of my staff saying she couldn't work, so I've had to work my 13th day in a row... The joys of retail management eh!

Has been a while though. How is everyone? Anything new?

>>43887693
After my order confirmation I got a second email the next day letting me know that a bunch of stuff was out of stock.

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>>43888336

>Order Tigers/Carius/Jagdpanthers off BFC
>Wait patiently
>3 days later get an email 'Sorry everything is out of stock'
>MFW

Didn't get them for almost 6 weeks. They still aren't painted.