Horus Heresy/Great Crusade/30k General
Rulebooks link:
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
why arent you running ultramarine lists anon?
Megaarachnid army list when?
Because Iron Warriors have cooler fluffi just wish we had castellum rhinos in game
>>43797354
>Ultras r g8
Yep, pretty fucking gay.
Whats a good escort for Sigismund?
>>43797354
Jealous their Primarch didn't write the Codex
Fifth for Corax
Is Acetone-free nail polish remover suitable for removing paint from resin? Fucked up my leman Russ turrets
I run a more perfect legion than the smurfs.
>>43797354
Working on an army based on this list, which will be there along with my Word Bearers and Imperial Fists (Thousand Sons, too when they come out.) That covers my two favorite Loyalist groups and two favorite Chaos groups.
2500 points
Rite Of War: The Logos Lectura
---HQ---
Legion Praetor - 230 points
-Gladius Invictus
-Archaeotech Pistol
-Iron Halo
-Mantle of Ultramar
-Melta-Bombs
-Jump Pack
Legion Centurion - 85 points
-Master Of Signal
---Troops---
(10) Legion Tactical Squad - 150 points
(10) Legion Tactical Squad - 150 points
(10) Legion Tactical Squad - 150 points
---Fast Attack---
(10) Locutarus Storm Squad - 340 points
-2 Plasma Pistols
-Plasma Pistol for Strike Leader
-Power Axe for Strike Leader
-Melta-bombs for Strike Leader
-Combat Shield for Strike Leader
Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship - 240 points
-Armored Ceramite
-Extra Armor
---Elites---
(10) Invictarus Suzerain Squad - 350 points
Legion Rapier Weapons Battery - 55 points
-Laser Destroyer Array
---Heavy Support---
(5) Fulmentarus Terminator Squad - 375 points
-5 Cyclone Missile Launchers
Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought - 255 points
-Atomantic Pavaise
-Armored Ceramite
---Dedicated Transports---
Rhino - 40 points
-Dozer Blade
Rhino - 40 points
-Dozer Blade
Rhino - 40 points
-Dozer Blade
>>43797377
>calling Ultras gay
>plays Black Templars
>in 30k
That's like twice as gay as playing actual BTs in 40k.
- So gay you like BT
- So gay you went out of your way to play BT in the game where BT don't exist
- Plays Dorn
Triple gay, even. You should consider playing EC.
rate my generic 2.5k list
135-Legion Centurion: Librarian, Psychic Mastery Level 2, Artificer Armor, Refractor Field
265-Legion Tactical Squad: 10 additional Legion Space Marines, Sergeant with Meltabombs and Artificer Armor
265-Legion Tactical Squad: 10 additional Legion Space Marines, Sergeant with Meltabombs and Artificer Armor
265-Legion Tactical Squad: 10 additional Legion Space Marines, Sergeant with Meltabombs and Artificer Armor
265-Legion Tactical Squad: 10 additional Legion Space Marines, Sergeant with Meltabombs and Artificer Armor
285-Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron: 2 additional Javelin Attack Speeders, Multi Meltas, 6 Hunter Killer Missiles
285-Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron: 2 additional Javelin Attack Speeders, Multi Meltas, 6 Hunter Killer Missiles
285-Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron: 2 additional Javelin Attack Speeders, Multi Meltas, 6 Hunter Killer Missiles
155-Legion Vindicator: Armored Ceramite, Havoc Launcher
155-Legion Vindicator: Armored Ceramite, Havoc Launcher
140-Legion Vindicator: Armored Ceramite
2500
>>43797354
what is horus heresy in a nutshell ?
>>43797882
"Everyone's list must be geared for MEQs" the game
>>43797888
And then that one AdMech faggot comes and ruins everything, laughing maniacally as he pulls an endless string of multi-wound MCs with AP2/3 out of his army case.
>>43797820
Can't take Centurion as Compulsory HQ.
Other than that, well...replace the Vindicators with Heavy Support Squads (this may require taking out a Javelin Attack Speeder squadron,) take out one more Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron to give the Tac Squads Rhino Dedicated Transports, and make it into an Imperial Fists army to get benefit from Disciplined Fire.
>>43797614
Not that guy you replied to but shit you're unfortunately right. IFs rule in 30k, but the Templar Brethren and Dorn rules ssssssuuuuccccckkk.
>>43797924
ts a good thing a proper admech army costs a fortune
>>43797882
How familiar are you with Warhammer 40,000? We need to know where to start. It's basically a spinoff focused on Space Marines, set earlier than WH40k in the same universe. Same basic rules, different army lists.
>>43797882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MeVxKZBOfM
>>43798089
where did he get the genetics for the primarcs
>>43798139
From himself. Emperor DNA + genetic fucking around = Primarchs.
Will Solar Auxilia get another update at some point?
Their army list seems a bit sparse.
Is the Master Of Signal points cost for the Centurion 35 or 45 points?
There’s no evidence for the Alpha Legion being present at the Siege of Terra, in uniform, is there? I have a Blood Angels Epic-scale army and was thinking about starting a Traitor Astartes army. I never finish painting anything, so AL’s color scheme in the FW books is tempting – clear blue over silver would be relatively fast. My 2nd choice is Sons of Horus but that really would take me forever to paint the way I want. Though it’d make more sense to have a legion that was present at Terra.
Also, is Legion worth reading? I’m not too invested in whether the Alpha Legion are secretly loyalists or not, but if it’s true that their goal is to wipe out Chaos by wiping out humanity… that’s retarded.
>>43798200
45 and non-compulsory HQ.
What do you guys equip your Typhon Siege tanks with? Im thinking all Heavy bolters for those Shrapnel bolts but a couple lascannons cant be bad either.
>>43798225
The ending is ambiguous, there is no truth to their motives.
Its a fun book though, worth a read for the little insight it offers into the Legion.
Other than the Imperial Fists and Iron Hands, what other armies are considered "top tier" in 30k?
>>43798520
Mechanicum.
Its much of a muchness really though. The tiers aren't too far off each other and the system I feel tends more towards narrative and campaign than you would go out of your way to build an ultra competitive list.
>>43798520
>mentioning IF but not DG
IF aren't even top tier.
>>43797985
>implying those faggots don't just buy chinashit
Not to mention the straight up richfags who constantly buy the most OP shit every month.
>>43798714
DG are? Usually I just hear people complain about their lackluster Termie units and RoW.
>>43798714
DG's slow but boosted fire power's not as good as IF's not slow but boosted firepower.
>>43797924
And then the World Eater player that actually modeled 60+ marines with Chainaxes laughs as his hard work finally paid off.
>>43798520
in my opinion Solar Auxilia are pretty strong.
They'll usually outshoot marines, they can take 5HP vindicators as transports that only cost 40 points more, they can take infinite ADL's.
They have some of the best tanks as well.
Army costs a fucking fortune though so you seldom see them.
>>43798520
The Night Lords guy in our group wrecks everyone. Mechanicum is supposed to be pretty cheesy, but we dont have a regular Mech player yet. The infiltrating NL vet squads with fear are a pita.
>>43797354
Because Vulkan and Salamanders are my favourite and that's enough Space Marines for one budget.
>>43798714
>>43798767
probably taking primarchs into consideration.
Mortarion in bitchin.
>>43798488
Is this actually a real question? The fucking las cannons.
>>43797603
Use a better pic.
>>43798089
Is that Total Biscuit?
>>43798139
From the Chaos Gods.
>>43799155
Well, that's not exactly fair because Imperial Fists' legion specific units like the Templar Brethren and Phalanx are terrible, and so is their Primarch (well so far from his stats yeah he is.) But IFs do really well with a more vanilla build centered towards Tac Squads, Veteran Squads, and Heavy Support Squads thanks to their Legion Special rule Disciplined Fire (aka THE reason they are considered top tier at all.)
>>43799126
Night Lords/Ravenguard/Alpha Legion is the reason at least one of my Heavy Support Squads in my IF army has an augury scanner.
>>43799057
Damn, really? So they are much better than usual Imperial Milita?
>>43798605
Yeah I had a feeling Mechanicum's at the top as they are the only ones who I know can deal with some of the Crusade Legion cheese strategies pretty well.
>The tiers aren't too far off each other and the system I feel tends more towards narrative and campaign than you would go out of your way to build an ultra competitive list.
Based Forge World reminding us of what 40k was all meant to be about.
>>43799383
Yup. Written and voiced by him. This was pre-selfish pussy ass motherfucker TB, too before he went on that "Imma bitch about every single little thing" train.
>>43799322
I remember some faggot asking about what to take on his Typhon and then starting a fucking argument when being told to take lascannons and mouthing off to people giving solid advice despite the fact that he even admits he didn't know what the fuck he was doing but still decides to shitpost.
>>43799581
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/42820171/#q42821469
Have fun.
>>43799455
>Damn, really? So they are much better than usual Imperial Milita?
Usually yeah. You can make some dumb goofy combo's with militia but they lack firepower compared to Auxilia and all their vehicles are worse.
So although you can get a bunch of cheap mooks or hordes of rending levi, you can never have a gun better than a bolter and you have no specialised infantry which doesn't make up for the shitter vehicles.
>>43797614
> EC
> not gay
Slaanesh is disappointed.
>>43797966
First I thought "yes, you can take centurion as compulsory HQ". But then saw the list and see that you're right, you can't take LIBRARIANS as compulsory HQ. That's a big difference you left out...
>>43797603
>paying for pistols
>ever
Plasma and archaeotech is a waste of points.
Your heavy terminators aren't worth almost 400 points.
Grab a different RoW for ultras. Theirs is too tax-heavy. Pride of the Legion or Orbital assault works much better.
>>43799673
Damn, funny considering how it's a setting all around Space Marines mostly fighting each other yet the SM and IG armies are not as good as the other side armies like the Auxilia and Taghmata.
>>43799757
Well, most people beef up their Centurions with one of those enhancements, and like the Librarian a good bunch of them can't be taken as compulsory units. I didn't know that a vanilla Centurion could be taken as compulsory that's very helpful thanks.
>>43797820
Vindi's cant fire Havoc Launcher and their demolister cannons at the same time
Librarian can't be compulsory HQ
If you're not taking rhinos there is no reason not to take those tac squads in groups of 20
>>43799707
EC were recommended because Sigismundfag is gay.
I bought a horus hersey box set, what next
>>43799940
Pick a Legion, choose your army, look at how much the FW stuff for it is and weep.
>>43799793
>Plasma and archaeotech is a waste of points.
Yeah true I initially planned to join the Praetor with the tac squads but not that he's with the Locutarus it's pointless.
>Your heavy terminators aren't worth almost 400 points.
A vanilla Predator tank is worth 75 points. 5 vanilla Predator tanks are worth 375 points. 5 Fulmentarus Terminators are more survivable than 5 Predators and do more damage with their Cyclone missile launchers than a vanilla Predator can. 375 points on Fulmentarus>>>375 points on Predator. Deredeo makes them that much better, too.
>Grab a different RoW for ultras. Theirs is too tax-heavy. Pride of the Legion or Orbital assault works much better.
I took a Rapier Battery, a Deredeo Dreadnought who's much more about shooting from far as hell ranges, and Fulmentarus who are also equipped to shoot from far a hell ranges so that way the forced Master of Signal doesn't feel like a waste.
If I switch ROWs and take out the Master of Signal/Deredeo/Fulmentarus/Rapier would I be able to place something better as heavy ranged support?
This my dream list if I ever buy anything outside of BaC.
>3000-ish of Ultramarines
HQs
>Master of Signals
Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs, Legatine Axe
>Praetor
Jetbike, Iron Halo, Melta Bombs, Legatine Axe
Troops
>10 Tacticals
Rhino, Melta Bombs
>10 Tacticals
Rhino, Melta Bombs
>10 Tacticals
Rhino, Melta Bombs
Elite
>Rapier Weapon Battery
3 Graviton Cannons
Fast Attack
>10 Jetbikes
Sergeant w/ Power Weapon, 10 Melta Bombs, 3 Volkite Culverin
Heavy Support
>5 Fulmentarus
Reaper Auto Cannons
>Spartan Assault Tank
Armored Ceramite, Flair Shield
Lord of War
>Roboute Guilliman
Bodyguard of 10 Invictarus Suzerains, Logos Lectora
Consul goes with the artillery, Praetor goes qith the Jetbikes, and Guilliman goes into the Spartan. I mostly want a mechanized Ultra list but the Jetbikes looked more interesting than put-the-Praetor-with-the-Primarch.
h8 r8 d-b8
>>43800048
>5 Fulmentarus Terminators are more survivable than 5 Predators
That's just not true, unless you're playing in some weird meta where plasma doesn't exist.
imo Fulmentarus do better with Reaper Autocannons as you can use the spare points to bring the squad strength up and get more bonuses and they can fuck flyers up with the Smurf rite of war
>>43800208
Well, see what's more effective? Plasma on Terminators? or Lascannons on Predators?
>imo Fulmentarus do better with Reaper Autocannons as you can use the spare points to bring the squad strength up and get more bonuses and they can fuck flyers up with the Smurf rite of war
Can you elaborate on this further please? This honestly sounds awesome.
>>43800208
Also wondering since the autocannons have shorter range than the Missiles don't they?
>>43799485
to be fair AAA games keep on trying to shit on gamers
>>43799972
Nah I'm not ever going to buy forgeworld models because that is literally a scam.
>>43800785
You were already suckered into buying BaC, moron.
>>43799757
wait you cant take libbys as compulsory?
I cant seem to find that in the wording, it looks like only Moritats cant be. Or is there a different page talking about consuls
>>43800806
31 marines, 6 terminators, a dreadnought and a board game?
Worth the price. I actually play the board game too, it's not bad, not worth the price (for just the game) but with all the models and everything considered, I'm not upset with the price I paid for the stuff I got.
>>43800764
Not talking about that. I am talking back when he was complaining about doing his job and his inability to take any form of criticism at all.
>>43800870
>hur dur muh shitty opinions
Nobody cares and nobody asked you. Worth is subjective anyway. Just be glad faggots haven't started spamming "poorfag y so poor" yet.
I will call you stupid, though. For asking "what else to get" when the only thing you find worth it are sets like Dark Vengeance and Betrayal. What the fuck kind of question is that? "What else should I buy. By the way, I refuse to buy EVERYTHING because I don't find it worth it."
>>43800870
>31 meh marines
>6 meh termies
>1 absolutely abysmal "belongs on wal marts toy shelf for $5" dreadnought
cry more poorfag
>>43800984
Are there any good conversions of this dreadnought? It looks like shit but I want to see what others have tried to do to fix it.
>>43799972
Jokes on you, I choose Alpha Legion. All my shit is available in plastic!
>>43800922
>I will call you stupid, though. For asking "what else to get" when the only thing you find worth it are sets like Dark Vengeance and Betrayal. What the fuck kind of question is that? "What else should I buy. By the way, I refuse to buy EVERYTHING because I don't find it worth it."
>Things anon has never said.
>>43800984
I think the Cataphractii look okay, but I'm not sure. I need to pick some up but need to figure out if it's worth going resin or plastic. Lightning claws and SB/PF.
>>43801035
>>Things anon has never said.
Read the quote chain moron.
>I bought a horus hersey box set, what next
>Nah I'm not ever going to buy forgeworld models because that is literally a scam.
That's literally ALL he fucking said.
Yeah I find plastic marines are worth it and importing resin from england is not worth it.
I don't get why you guys are so mad about that
>>43801060
>Nah I'm not ever going to buy forgeworld models because that is literally a scam.
>the only thing you find worth it are sets like Dark Vengeance and Betrayal.
Your reading comprehension is abysmal.
>>43801033
Literally even the slightest change to add some movement to the model looks good. The arm pose they used in that picture is unbelievably awful. I wish I could find whoever the GW artist is who can paint decently but can't pose their models and punch them in the taint.
>>43801102
Like 99% of the HH units are FW resin only.
>>43801175
What are conversions
>>43801175
Dude, they're Space Marines. Grab your bitz box and get to work.
>>43801130
It's possible the painter and modeller were different people. Sounds stupid, but such is corporate life.
>>43801233
>>43801224
Then why did you need Betrayal box at all?
>>43801331
it's a good price and they look better than the newer armour patterns
>>43801331
Cheap source of Mark IV bitz and ready made Cataphracti.
>>43801331
>need
Why does anyone need any toys at all? You should all be content watching paint dry you fucking hedonists.
It takes even more effort to turn plastic GW stuff into HH specific stuff than it does to turn Mk 7 into Mk 4.
So I picked up a BaC box and was planning to turn them into Alpha Legion cause I love their fluff (weird ass Cabal notwithstanding).
Unfortunately no one in my area plays 30K so if I run them it'd be up against mostly 40K opponents, do you guys have any suggestions as to how I should run my AL or how 30K armies have to tweak themselves to fight against 40K?The guys I usually play against are DA, Space Furries, non-cheese Tau (he doesn't use Riptides and minimal suits), Necrons (full cheese), and Skitarii
>>43801484
Just stick to shit that's in both systems. Tactical marines, assault marines/raptors, terminators, devastator/havoks, predators, land raiders, etc.
>>43801484
Use the 40k Space Marine book, the current CSM book is trash
>>43801130
Very likely FW is behind the plastic Contemptor.
>>43801224
You can't convert a Fellblade. Or a Deredeo. Or any other Vehicle.
>>43801575
Oh ye of little faith and plasticard.
Anything can be made if you put your mind to it. There's a guy who scratchbuilt a Reaver.
>>43801575
People have been converting Deimos rhinos forever, and Fellblade conversions are totally doable. I'll concede the Deredeo, though.
>>43801484
No one will mind if you use Cataphractii as normal 40k Terminators or use 30k-style Land Raiders or Rhino-based vehicles.
You may need to buy an extra squad's worth of marines and use 1-2 of them in each of your squads when you switch back and forth between eras, since heavy and special weapon quantities are different.
If your friends are okay with relic vehicles (in one or two of the Imperial Armour books), then you can get something unique to HH.
In 40k their fluff would have them run large quantities of cultists if you use the CSM codex, but I'd be tempted to just use the SM codex.
>>43798181
No. Alan Bligh said so.
>>43801668
>converting Deimos rhinos
But Anon, buying a RT Rhino from eBay isn't converting!
>>43799940
>>43800785
You can make an army list with one or two Betrayal at Calth boxes and some GW drop pods. But you should probably stick to 40k; 30k without FW models is basically 40k with far fewer options.
>>43802280
The traditional way involves a cut-down Razorback top panel on either side, and drilled plasticard tubing. Not exactly rocket science.
>>43799322
Im sorry, just thought the pinning on Iron Warriors heavy boltera was worth trying. I planned to shoot my Typhon at infantry as much as other kinds of targets.
>>43797415
No! Oh god no don't do that! It will literally melt the resin.
>>43802410
Just leave it naked if you don't want LCs. HBs do nothing in both 30k and 40k.
>>43802451
untrue, in 40k HBs kill infantry, you know, the stuff literally everything kills
>>43802451
I had the points for either, ill chuck on the lascannons. Couple extra shots that have an easy time hurting stuff will be good.
Any of the pintle mounted guns worth looking at?
>>43797985
A fortune? It's 50$ for every Thallax unit that can be loaded up to cost almost 200pts each with an HQ that can go up to 300pts that you can easily kitbash.
And buying Kastelan robots instead of Castellax makes it even cheaper.
>>43802479
Nobody plays infantry in 40k. It's all superheavies and bikes and FMCs. The fact that we're talking about a Typhon to begin with already reinforces that fact.
>>43802479
But why pay points just to rape the shitty armies even harder? Why not save points, or spend them on the option that can actually hurt the dangerous armies?
>>43802271
Oh, sweet, that means I won't shed tears of rage when Book 6 comes out and I can just play them using a mix of FW models, Tempestus, and Skitarii.
>>43802567
Im the actual person asking about the typhon. I already have 70 marines in my army. I see a shit tonne of infantry and the Typhon initially desu looked awesome as a way to easily handle both big squads and vehicle squadrons.
>>43802607
Except HBs don't do anything to power armored infantry. Unless you're regularly playing IG and Orks or something.
My homebrew legion colours, was thinking of using Alpha legion rules for the infiltration and the Imperial Fists bolter drill chapter tactic as that +1 BS seems really strong. Do you think opponents would mind if I combined the two?
>>43802728
Your homebrew chapter is the Emperor's Children?
>>43802677
Auxilia and Militia are played by a few people.
I get it, Heavy bolters on the typhon go against the specialised over generalised approach in the game.
>>43802728
Are you a faggot? Yes people will mind. You don't just get to choose the best rules and mash them together.
>>43802763
If you're having trouble with those armies then yeah take the HB. Magnetize anyway so you can run all three options. Generally you should have enough regular bolters in your legion to not need them though...plus you've got big guns and melee monsters elsewhere so I don't see how the HBs help too much?
I mean, you'd think you'd be too busy laughing manically as you tank shock things with the Typhon and move Rhino wedges to box them in, removing entire swaths of infantry just by moving your vehicles up to not need some extra HB shots.
>>43802739
>>43802800
This seems like bait. Be wary brothers.
>>43802728
>Contemptor on iron earth
>Cataphractii on pitch black ash wastes
WHAT WARP-FORSAKEN PLACE IS THIS
>>43802728
>My homebrew legion colours
>My homebrew legion
>homebrew legion
Either a troll, or genuinely clueless. This isn't 40k. The legions are not optional.
>>43802856
>muh missing legion
What did you expect with the new Bitchrayal at Newfag.
>>43802856
>He doesn't play Rubinek's Iron Hearts
You sir are a pleb of the lowest order.
>>43802815
>Magnetize
I magnetized my betrayal contemptor
I magnetize lots of things, even things that shouldn't be magnetized
>>43802901
RUBINEK WAS A BITCH
LOL #REKTBYRUSS
MUH STRONGEST SECOND
>>43802890
Please don't start.
>>43802931
But it's already begun.
>>43802800
I thought with the betrayal at Carth box set coming out I could finally get into Horus heresy. I started reading the fluff and saw their were two missing legions and I've always wanted to do a homebrew. I wasn't choosing the strongest rules, only the ones I thought were cool
>>43802984
imho play your custom legion, but use rules from another canonical legion, don't mix and match rules willy nilly
>>43802890
>>43802901
>The Iron Hearts are an obscure Loyalist Space Marine Chapter of unknown Founding and origin. Their supposed Primarch is mentioned in Imperial records as "Primarch Rubineck." This is now believed to be a transcription error by an unwitting scribe of the Administratum who was actually referring to the Iron Hearts' Chapter Master.
Contents
<\>In the short story "Hell in a Bottle," the character Rubinek was presented as a Primarch. It is clear, in light of more recent canon, Rubinek was not actually a Primarch, but rather the Iron Hearts' Chapter Master. There was once fan speculation that Rubinek might have been one of the Lost Primarchs from either the II or XI Legion, but Games Workshop has confirmed that this is not so, as they are unwilling to ever release any definitive information in regards to those two missing Space Marine Legions.
Suck my cannon dick (or dick cannon)
>>43803013
That was a chapter master, not a primarch.
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/190503-the-iron-hearts-and-primarch-rubinek/
Read the whole thread not just the first post.
>>43803013
Sauce?
>>43802984
Play with the rules for generic/unreleased legions from book iv. If I remember correctly, all marines get Stubborn. And change your paint scheme to be something unique.
>>43800870
Poorfag y so poor?
>>43802984
Infiltrate is broken as shit. There's a reason you're forced to deploy in your own zone and natural infiltrate is rare. People pay points and take great risks just to do something like deep strike or outflank. Infiltrate is just straight up "here you go, just place your guys wherever the fuck you want!"
>>43803119
>>43803124
It really isn't. Not since table quarters went the way of the dinosaur.
In our modern half the table deployment paradigm the ability is far less useful.
>>43797924
Then the one guy in the whole planet who plays Imperial Militia and Cults comes and brings 150 rending zealot levies and 3 malcadors
>>43797354
>blueberry smurfs
>when word bearers exist
top pleb
>>Word Bearers Age of Darkness Detachment
>HQ
(195) Erebus-Warlord
Rite of War: The Dark Brethren
(105) Centurion: Medicae, Artificer Armor, Refractor Shield
>Troops
(260) 15 Tactical Marines, Chainswords, Dark Channeling, Melta Bombs
(260) 15 Tactical Marines, Chainswords, Dark Channeling, Melta Bombs
>Fast Attack
(210) Storm Eagle
>Elites
(330) Gal Vorbak: 9 Dark Brethren, Dark Martyr with Tainted Weapon
>Heavy Support
(260) Sicaran Venator
>Lord of War
(350) Legion Typhon
>>Chaos Daemons Allied Detachment
>HQ
(350) Be’lakor
>Troops
(99) 11 Pink Horrors
>Heavy Support
(180) Soul Grinder of Nurgle, Phlegm Bombardment
>>43803263
Pretty much what I'm working towards, though maybe with 2/3 the levies, ogryns to march along the troops and leman russes as support.
and that's only 1000 points
>>43803115
where in book 4 are they?
>>43803361
TW on DM are kind shitty. you still only rend on 6's,so buy him some lighting claws.
>>43802984
That's not going to go down well. 30k is "historical".
There's leeway on colors in the form of chapters within a legion - some already had unique color schemes. But everyone picks a legion and it's not one of the two redacted ones.
>>43803779
>having imagination is now a bad thing
/tg/ has changed
>>43803987
>the only way to display imagination is to choose one of the dead to a man, stricken from the records armies that play literally no part in the historical event that is the heresy
bro, people hated on "lost legion" armies well before 4chan came into being
>>43804005
>getting angry over how somebody else paints his/her toy soldiers
Can we please just get a new general for all the faggots who got into 30k with Calth, have no fucking clue what they're talking about and shit up the thread with the same questions every single time.
>>43804045
You can paint them however you want as long as you dont mind being wrong in the setting. At least in 40k its plausable to have whatever scheme you want. Thats not true with space marines in 30k.
>>43803779
>30k is "historical"
>>43804005
They did play a part though, as members of the Ultramarines.
>>43804222
That's in-universe speculation by a space marine who has taken several strong blows to the head. People bothered the author enough that he mentioned it was completely false.
The Ultramarines just had a good recruiting system in place. Much like the Word Bearers, who grew their legion to a similar size in a short period of time.
>>43803987
It's not having imagination that's bad, it's the faggot autists on this board that can't be trusted to not shitpost and have shitty ideas.
>>43804063
Be the change you want in the world.
>>43804063
no
fuck you, you elitist shitstain
>>43804441
Its not elitist to expect anyone posting in the thread to know at least something about the game thats being discussed.
>>43804505
How about you just go make a new thread for your SEKRIT CLUB PRO GAMERS ONLY then?
>>43804561
No, it's more gratifying to call you names and watch you scream.
>>43804085
Well, there are numerous different color patterns within Legions. Not to mention stuff like Blackshields, which are explicitly mentioned to just do whatever they feel like since they don't have any official affiliation. There's no shortage of rogue Space Marines on either side, and a lot of color variations even within Legions, particularly ones like the Word Bearers. So who's to say there aren't Night Lords who defaced their armour by painting it a different color altogether rather than just going black?
>>43804600
All of this. In addition, it's always important to remember how big 100,000 marines is. Every legion had dozens of specialty companies and unique color schemes. Relying on the missing legions is actually using far less imagination than making a reasonable way that your army, in both composition and colors, fits into a particular legion.
They said, if you do go with the missing legions approach, I recommend going whole hog. You set them in the time period that they existed ie the Great Crusade. You establish a primarch. You plan out how and why they're going to go missing. Athrawes's Lightning Bearers are a great example of this.
>>43803361
You need a second *compulsory* HQ, which must be either a Chaplain or a Centurion (NOT any Consul; a Medicae is a non-compulsory HQ), so the list is illegal as it stands. Nevermind that the Dark Brethren is a shit RoW and Erebus already makes Daemons into allies.
Also, What are your plans for the two HQs? They can't join the Gal Vorbak, so are they going to footslog it alongside the tacticals?
>>43804572
>whine like a baby
>acts like a smug master ruse man
heh, you are a wanker mate,
>>43804600
There are at least 3 legions with black paint scheme. Do we need more?
>>43801035
Wait a minute what ??? where can i get plaistic Alpha Legion stuff
>>43805248
Blackshields don't necessarily need to be black. Just because the well-known ones were doesn't mean they're the only ones. Legionnaires who reverted to their pre-Primarch color schemes, or maybe ones who changed their color schemes altogether to distance themselves from their Legions. Or just ones who took on the colors of their specific sub-group, like the Ashen Circle.
>>43805298
I think he is talking about beakies? They and raven guard used them right?
>>43805334
Alpha Legion, Raven Guard, and Imperial Fists have concrete examples of marines having Mk 6, but any of the traitor legions could've been supplied with them earlier by Mars, or had a squad or two that was also doing some of the earlier testing. The Raven Guard just did the bulk of it.
>>43805334
Yea true but that is boring i love the FW look of the Alpha Legion helmets and seeing as as i go to work and earn money for a reason i am just gonna keep getting the FW stuff
this was discussed earlier, but what page on the space marine legion book does it say that special consuls cannot be compulsory?
>>43805847
Pretty sure it was initially released in an FAQ, I don't know if that was pre- or post- release of the red book however.
>>43805859
ahhh it was an faq. I keep forgetting those exist
namely since I think 7th edition has stopped doing those
>>43805847
The red books also give the support officer role to all of the consuls that can't be used.
>>43804561
Its not asking for much that someone comes into the thread knowing what the heresy was. We're not asking you to pass a fucking exam, just dont ask stupid, easily-answered-by-reading-the-book questions
>>43806011
You should also mention that the books are FREE to download from the OP
>>43804299
Wow this board is super elitist. Imo having the two lost legions just means there is more customising in what you can do in 30k. At my local GW they said FW lets you customise your chapter tactics for the two other legions since nothing is known about them.
>>43806030
Your local store told you what you wanted to hear so that youd buy toys and be happy about your toys. There is no rule or option to mix and match chapter tactics. Yeh you can screw the rules, but only if you and your opponent agree, otherwise why bother with rules at all.
>>43806030
And that's fine, but people need to put some effort into it. This is not the first instance since the release of BaC that I've seen someone getting into HH go, "I like this color scheme...and this RoW...so...missing legion." No name, no other lore, no attempt to integrate it into an existing legion.
>>43806055
>>43806061
>word of GW vs angry sekrit club grognards
get fucked, BAC is here to stay and your special toy soldier clique is
BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT
>>43806061
I either wanted to do the lost legions with my Betrayal at Carth box set or I thought do something super homebrew like a 21st Legion. Like a seperate legion that only responded to the emperor but were seperate to those custodes guys he had. And how they fought super secret battles in the heresy and that's why they were never recorded. I thought that would be cool and fit in with the fluff.
>>43806154
Unfortunately declaring that does not make it so.
>>43806231
>I thought that would be cool and fit in with the fluff.
It's pretty much one of the least fluffy things I've seen on this entire thread. What you're looking for is either Great Crusade-era Alpha Legion or Knights Errant (who technically answered to Malcador but close enough).
>>43806231
Confirmed troll.
>>43806030
>At my local GW they said FW lets you customise your chapter tactics for the two other legions since nothing is known about them.
They don't. At all. You were lied to. The closest thing is the generic ruleset for Legions without special rules of their own yet. So unless you think getting either Stubborn or Furious Charge is customizing your Chapter Tactics, you dun got bamboozled, kiddo.
>>43806154
I think you misquoted me. I was responding to a rules question
>solar auxilia use a platoon formations
>imperalis militia dont
wut
>>43806340
where are the rules for the generic legions: i cant find them in book 4
>>43806483
the legion astartes crusade army book
it is nothing but space marines.
>>43806478
Solar pattern Auxilia are called that because they adhere to a strict pattern of training, equipment and structure. The Solar pattern, if you will.
The Imperialis Militia is meant to represent everything from Dark Age cyborgs to feral world tribesmen to elite militia to Chaos cults. Hence they don't follow any set structure and have wildly different skills and equipment. Remember that this is before the Imperial Guard were formalized as a thing and it was essentially up to each world how to train, equip, and organize their men.
>>43806625
I guess, but I find it silly that the imperial militia has a PLATOON command squad as an HQ choice
using the basic FOC, solar auxilia can theoretically vomit out more bodies than militia outside of inducted levies
>can't reasonably run Fulmentarus unless I recast a single Reaper Autocannon 9 times
>can't add a Legatine Axe to my Praetor who will go with 10 Invictarus Suzerains unless I buy 5 more Suzerains OR recast a single Axe
>CAL is an affordable £32 but Book 5, to get the Ultramarine Rules, is £74
Does FW want us to pirate/recast? I'm all for playing $180 on 10 Suzerains and $100 on a Primarch but $250 for 10 Cataphractii Special Weapons kits for the Reaper Autocannons is rediculous.
>>43806665
Yes, technically speaking the Solar Auxilia could spend 1800 points to spew out 360 lasrifle grunts, while the Imperialis Militia could only shit out 300 grunts at maximum, but they're only paying 600 points for the privilege. So in practice the Imperialis Militia list will almost always outnumber the Solar Auxilia if you're going for infantry swarms. Hell, the Imperialis Militia can go maximum dudespam and still fit tanks, rapiers, planes, sentinels, and all that good shit.
>>43806932
I guess thats true
that and levy vomit is always fun.
I know people bitched at BoC's characters for being one peice
but does anyone got any pics of altered ones with knive cutting n stuff?
>>43806988
Particularly with Tainted Flesh and Feral Warriors. Enjoy your 2 point models shitting out 4 Rending attacks a piece on the charge.
>>43807082
I feel so sad that Word Bearers turned to Chaos.
They were actually nice dudes before the whole Emperor's reprimand and other shit...
>>43807211
Eh, kind of. They were always pretty loopy with their need to worship anything they could perceive as divine to the point of not giving a fuck about their actual mission. Not to mention that a fair contingent of them were Chaos worshipers from day one.
With that said, the whole "nuke your holy city until not a single atom remains while you're forced to kneel before the dudes ruining the symbol of your life's work" probably wasn't the best way of handling the situation. I'd even go as far as to call it ham-fisted and retarded. Hell, even Guilliman said it was a pretty goddamn stupid move.
>>43807211
>I feel so sad that Word Bearers turned to Chaos.
>They were actually nice dudes before
No they weren't.
They were religious fanatics of weak moral fibre.
2000 Points of I have no idea what I'm doing but I heard footslogging Death Guard is possible
The Reaping
HQ
Typhon (10 Deathshroud Terminators with 1 Rad Grenade) -620
Troops
20 Legion Tactical Squad (Artificer armour, Power weapon, Rad Grenades) - 290
20 Legion Tactical Squad (Artificer armour, Power weapon, Rad Grenades) - 290
5 Legion Heavy Support Squad (Heavy Flamers, Chem Munitions, Artificer Armour, Rad Grenades) - 145
5 Legion Heavy Support Squad (Missile Launchers, Flak, Rad Grenades) - 220
Elite
Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (Heavy Conversion Beamer, Havoc Launcher) - 225
Heavy Support
Sicaran Battle Tank (Lascannon Sponsons, Armoured Ceramite)
1995
General idea is that the Contemptor and Missiles hang back and hide in cover, while the rest of the army slowly advances. Heavy Flamer guys just sort of hide behind the tacs because I just wanted to try the chem munitions.
>>43807653
The heavy conversion beamer is pretty useless. Not only do you need to stay stationary, but for it to be more effective than other weapon option you need to shoot at something an entire table away, which is not only highly unlikely to ever happen, but also probably will result in LoS-breaking terrain. Typhon is also so-so. I feel that footslogging Death Guard almost need Mortarion so he can zip across the table and knock off any MEQ-busting guns.
>>43807653
And while I'm at it, if you're going to go with big footslogging blobs, you probably want some Apothecarions in there. 10 Deathshrouds are probably overkill too. Seriously, what the fuck kind of threat will require Typhon AND 10 Deathshrouds? Not to mention that they'll be slow as fuck on foot in a Reaping list. I'd cut down on their unit size and invest in a transport if you want them to actually achieve anything. Cutting them down to Typhon and 4 Deathshrouds lets them fit in a Land Raider and nearly saves you enough points to afford it too.
>>43803135
>that filename
MySides.wav
I'm not sure how many of the new players starting with BaC are trolls/irredeemable, but we need a 'so you want to start 30k' intro in the opener.
I'll write one up soon.
>>43808345
Hell I'm just buying that set to start a 40k Dark Angels army. That Chaplain will make an excellent Interrogator Chaplain, with that crest I can even paint him up like the Lionheart.
>>43808345
I still have the write-up I did on the various Legions a few threads ago. I think I'll start control+v:ing it in every general from now on.
>>43808407
Why not just pastebin it?
>>43808345
Why not just link them to the 1d4 tactics pages
>IF are shit
Fuck forge world
What else is shit in this?
Thought it was supposed to be better than 40k...
>>43808485
>one of the top tier legions
>shit
What, 40kid, can't find your invisible drop pod centurions?
>>43808509
Haven't you even been reading this thread fuckface?
>>43808509
>top tier legions
I'm curious, what's the tier list?
>>43808531
What are you even saying? Christ, learn to type a sentence.
>>43808568
Fuck you
That clear enough for you retard?
>>43808541
Ditto. I haven't seem much meta data about how certain legions perform.
>>43808586
Yeah but why? I'm not even this >>43808509
Anon. Do you just like coming into a general and shitting everywhere?
>>43808485
>>43808531
>>43808586
Clearly the class of person BaC has brought to the table. Seriously, /HHG/ used to have decent discussions and people who knew the rules. Now we just get sperglords who can't form a single coherent thought.
>>43808661
Stay mad elitist shitlord
>>43808650
It's not annoying, I'm legitimately curious about how autistic people function in society.
>>43808679
:^)
>>43808674
If you think that's me getting mad, you've clearly been on 4chan for too long. Merely making an observation that any person who was here before BaC can relate to. The new people who come to HHG and actually make legitimate observations or have decent questions are welcomed openly. You however are the posterchild for autistic 40kids.
>>43797918
Its so weird to see us going BACKWARDS in design and people thinking its cool looking. I remember when the current rhino was relased it was such an improvement over the old. Now people pay more money to look worse.
Way to ignore the troll guys.
Anyway how is imperial fists considered top tier if their primarch and legion specific units are shit?
>>43808776
Because their Legion specific rules and RoW are really good.
>>43808776
I imagine that +1BS on all bolter weapons may have something to do with that...
>>43808732
I feel bad about the new "players". I am getting a small local HH group going (6 players atm, I let people use my books for the time being to check, hqve given them the pdfs, adviced them on legions... And today I faced an invisible jetbike wall
Fuck the BaC kids
>>43808794
>>43808785
Funny how FW couldn't extend that to the fluffy stuff.
>>43808763
Wouldn't it also be a quality issue? I imagine a redo of the old ass carnifex would at least look interesting if created with new techniques.
>>43808776
What >>43808794 said
RoW is good although I am using pride/chosen duty
BS 5 troop veterans with HBs and sniper are great to have
BS5 seekers in anvillus pods too
Being stubborn in cover? Son, this is HH, you will always be in cover, and stubborn is expensive
Forcing the sixth turn gave me a game a while back, and free rerolls to hit in challenges, you save on master crafting all the important stuff
Bad idea to try to post in between the secondary shit storm but meh.
Picked up some of the BaC models, and I was looking to start a Blood Angels force. Is there any estimate on when their specific rules will come out?
Also are the Horus Heresy books in the OP ( + Legiones Crusade) all I need to start playing? Or is there a separate core rule set I need to find?
>>43808776
Because they have fucking insane Legion rules, a great RoW and baller wargear? Seriously, they are tied with the Iron Hands for best Tacticals, probably have the best Terminators (Deep Strike, Storm Shields AND Assault Cannons), and easily the best Heavy Support squads. Have you seen what a 20 man Imperial Fist Tactical unit using a Fury of the Legion attack looks like? Because it's 80 goddamn BS5 bolter shots.
Also, Sigismund rapes anything below a Primarch so hard it's not even funny, and Polux is awesome as well. And most Legion special units are pretty bad, to be honest.
>>43805051
>erebus counts as both a diabolist and a chaplain
>diabolist and chaplain
>chaplain
Okay. Where in the book does it mention that IC's can't join Gal Vorbak? They don't have bitter duty, and there's only 9 in the list. Also, tainted weapon with dark martyr has gone a surprising distance for me, except against salamanders.
I know dark brethren an shit but what other rite of war do you want me to take? Every one of them would make my list illegal.
>>43808901
Book 6 will have Blood Angels rules but probably not Specific Units.
30k uses 40k core rules, hence it being an expansion to 40k. Books 1-3 are outdated and have been compiled into the Legiones Astartes Crusade army list and Isstvan Campaign army lists. Book IV is for Knight Houses and SA. Mechanicum has their redbook. Ultramarines and latest up to date Word Bearers are in Book VI.
>>43808776
Imperial Fists special stuff sucks noodles, but the LA rule provides massive boosts to the common stuff. A good Fist army is built around taking lots of the fundamentals rather than flashy specials.
>>43808541
> Warmaster Tier
Alpha Legion, Raven Guard, Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, Word Bearers, Mechanicum, Militia & Cults, Knights Questoris
> Solid tier
Death Guard, Salamanders, Night Lords, Iron Warriors, Ultramarines, Solar Auxilia
> Filthy Loyalist tier
Emperor's Children, Sons of Horus, World Eaters
Something like that. The top tier is so bloated because the balance is actually very reasonable between the frontrunners. General comments on balance:
- Older Legions are the weakest. There is a noticeable jump in power between Betrayal and Massacre, and a smaller jump again to Extermination. Books 4 and 5 are weaker IMO.
- The game is balanced around fighting Marines and so the Militia, Auxilia, Knights and Mechanicum get a metagame advantage. If your opponent knows what you're using, they're nothing special. But they can bank on the opponent tailoring for Marine warfare and catch them blind.
- Generally speaking, everybody pulls from the same pool of toys and so external balance is great. Internally, some units are total shit compared with others. A Recon Squad is not going to be the same level as a Rapier battery, for instance.
- Between Rites, Unique units, Legiones Astartes and special wargear, every single Legion has the capacity to win. There is no 'Sisters vs Eldar' matchup yet.
>>43808901
the basic rules are still warhammer 40k, so you need that book
>>43808901
Rules in february, probably in the HH weekender (book 6)
You will need some pdfa from the FW site for the errata and newer units. A redo of the red books is expected soon(tm)
>>43808901
>Picked up some of the BaC models, and I was looking to start a Blood Angels force. Is there any estimate on when their specific rules will come out?
If memory serves me right, they'll get rules (but no special units or characters) next supplement. Until then, just take Furious Charge on all your dudes for a fluffy ARGHBLARGH vampire murder list. You also get a sick lightsaber as your Chapter specific Relic, which is probably one of the best ones.
>Also are the Horus Heresy books in the OP ( + Legiones Crusade) all I need to start playing? Or is there a separate core rule set I need to find?
All you really need is the Crusade Army List if you want to play Blood Angels right now. Isstvan Campaign Legions contain all the rules for specific Legions, but since the Blood Angels aren't in there anyway, all you need is the base Muhreen army list right now.
>>43801484
A-are you me? I bought two boxes though, but my metas the same. I plan on running em as the space marine siege list till i get my rhinos. Rerollable armour on tacticals all day, plus they get some relic vehicles without the need for a techmarine so it works even better to switch between that and a legion army.The seige master HQ is also perfect for both character marines in the box set, Plus it lets me feel like a snowflake.
I'm starting in 30K myself, and have decided on playing Alpha Legion, no list built just yet, but what would be a cool / interesting unit to "steal" with the Legion special rule?
Doesn't need to be super competitive, I know I won't be playing too many tournaments, primarily battles for fun.
>>43809134
Give the Isstvan Campaign book a look over and just pick whatever models you think look cool. Personally, I'd either go with Tyrant Siege Terminators from Iron Warriors or Red Butchers from World Eaters.
>>43809053
>>43808973
Cool. Hopefully BA's wont be an "assault marines only if you want to win" army. I really like running tactical squads.I'm also really excited to take Kurtha Sed's model and use it as a BA captain. Going to green stuff the ornament on top of the mace into a tear shape, and then paint the winged part black so it looks like the chapter symbol.
>>43809162
will give them a look, thank you Anon.
>>43808978
>Word Bearers
>Militia and Cults
I wouldn't really agree. Word Bearers are good, but not fantastic on the level of Imperial Fists or Iron Hands, who basically just get straight up stat bonuses on most their shit. Militia has some solid builds, but they're really gimmicky and mono-strategy. They also suffer from a lack of anti-tank since most of it is crammed into Heavy Support and they don't really get the haywire/lance bullshit other lists do. Sure, against a force consisting of mostly infantry their millions of plasma-fusils and S5 laslocks might scythe through it, but once AV13+ with flare shields show up, they start suffering. An Ordo Reductor list is practically a hard counter to any given Militia list.
I'm tired of waiting for Thousand Sons and Space Wolves, the two legions I most want to assemble. Going to start making temporary rules.
Rough idea for TS, thoughts?
Legiones Astartes
- Tutelary: Psykers have a 3+ special save to ignore effect of perils and Word Bearer ID bullshit.
- Enumerations: Activate warp charges on a 3+, +1 to deny the witch.
- Legion of Psykers: Discard the BRB rules for generating powers; after all units have been deployed, generate one power for each ML point from the TS Disciplines. Assign these powers as you see fit, with no model having more powers than its ML. Then check for Psychic Focus.
Changes:
- Praetor: ML2 upgrade, not limited to one upgrade.
- Librarians can be primary HQ, up to ML3, not limited to one discipline.
- Praevians are no longer HQ, but an Elite choice.
- Sergeants can upgrade to ML1.
Biomancy / Pavoni
P: Smite
1: Enfeeble
2: Life Leech
3: Endurance
Divination / Corvidae
P: Prescience
1: Forewarning
2: Perfect Timing
3: Precognition
Pyromancy / Pyrae
P: Spontaneous Combustion
1: Fire Shield
2: Inferno
3: Molten Beam
Telekinesis / Raptora
P: Telekine Dome
1: Assail
2: Levitation
3: Psychic Maelstrom
Telepathy / Athanaeans
P: Psychic Shriek
1: Dominate
2: Terrify
3: Mental Fortitude
>>43808978
>Sons of Horus are bad meme
Has anyone actually played against them? Someone brings Horus and they get Outflank ON FUCKING EVERYTHING, Deep Strike that arrives automatically on any turn you want with no scatter, a S10 AP2 large blast lance shot, and Reavers are pretty much straight up better Veterans/Assault Marines for a marginal increase, and you get Banestrikes. Not to mention all the FoC fuckery without relying on RoW. And a Relic that turns your Praetor into a T5 Eternal Warrior for 15 fucking points!
>>43808763
That's because the classic Rhino was small and lacked detail. The design of the front and the doors wasn't the problem, and some have long preferred the original style.
>>43809232
>word bearers with daemon allies
Fixed
>>43809187
You also get prototype assault cannons, like the Fists do.
>>43808972
He's yalking about the fact that the RoW modifies your FOC to include a second Mandatory HQ. The FAQ a while back made several Consul types unable to fill mandatory slots, much like Tac Support squads.
As for the Gal Vorbek, haven't looked into it myself, but I think people have said it's part of the deamon rule.
>>43808809
Wow invisible jetbikes is so lazy. You could just proxyyour mom's dildos
>>43807082
I'll post mine after I buy my second box and kit bash the characters, I built the first two stock because I like how they look
>>43803779
>and it's not one of the two redacted ones.
After all legions are given rules you can make your own legion and just choose Stubborn or Furious Charge as your legion rules, I dont see any problem with doing that.
>>43809406
Daemon is just 5++ and Fear. Looking at the Gal Vorbak rules I don't see anywhere it saying you can't attach ICs.
>>43809406
I've gone over Horus Heresy Tempest like 3 times and nowhere can I see any rule that prevents IC's from joining units of daemons. The only rule I can think of like that is the Daemonic Instability rule in the Daemons codex that prevents units without the special rule from joining it.
>>43809134
Night Lords Terror Squads. Infiltrating Volkite with precision shots/strikes and fear is nasty.
>>43809341
I'm actually working on a SoH army right now but don't have a list figured out yet, just a list of stuff I'm going to pick up. So far it's Horus, Reavers and a bunch of dickbikes. Probably will add some Dreadclaws and a Kharybdis.
>>43809532
I actually hadn't considered those... Will look into it, thanks Anon.
>>43809515
Then that's probably what people were thinking of. Lile I said, I have no clue where that idea is coming from, I've never looked at WB.
>>43809019
>A redo of the red books is expected soon(tm)
'Redoing' the redbooks would also affect the campaign books since the Legion specific unit entries are taken directly from them.
I dont see the red books getting touched until all the campaign books are out. Then they'll be updated with the remaining Legions, and the other with all the new models FW has released.
tldr: the red books wont be updated until 2017.
>>43809563
The faq buffed them beyond their red book entry.
How would /HHG/ feel about FW releasing a book in the style of Conquest about building 4e Space Marine Codex one of the missing legions, and then give you three 'primarchs' to choose from? They already have rules to build special characters, it wouldn't be far to say they might experiment with Forge a Narrative with the missing legions.
>>43809622
Personally, I don't give a shit about the two missing Legions and I don't think FW does either.
The missing legions are probably already missing by this era, otherwise we would've heard more about them. I don't mind it, but if you want different colors and rules it's more plausible that your army represents a quirky chapter of an existing legion. They each needed troops that covered every role, and of course there were loyalists from traitor legions and traitors from loyal ones that could be fun to think about.
But if it looks like you've put some effort into it, it's all good.
You know what's awesome? Vulkan dueling a Lancer Seneschal. I mean, sure, Vulkan beat the everliving shit out of my Lancer, but the idea of a big black dude with a hammer fighting a giant mech in hand-to-hand combat is still pretty badass.
>>43809827
From my experience, Primarchs usually get stomped to death when they go up against a Knight.
>>43809728
Missing legions didn't go missing until the heresy
>>43809885
Source?
