Was a plan from Maro all along? Did he get blackmailed? What the fuck is even going on!
Look at the dates:
>http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/129192880288/wednesday-november-18th-2015-prepare-yourself
>http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/126480135723/since-you-were-in-charge-of-the-un-sets-and-each
>http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/133172063743/five-days-remain-plan-accordingly#notes
>http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/133305372973/less-than-72-hours-ensure-your-affairs-are-in#notes
Was it just a coincidence that the unconfirmed leaks appeared the 18th of November?
>"There are not such things as coincidence." --Mark Rosewaters
>"/tg/ was a mistake." --Mark Rosewaters
Oh also <> and colorless and basic lands etc discussion.
MIRROR
HE SPOILED HIS OWN FAVORITE CARD AFTER HE SAW THAT DONTHEMAGE FULFILLED HIS PART OF THE SPOILERS - E.G. LEAKING IT TO THE MTGPODCAST
>>43717223
>http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/126480135723/since-you-were-in-charge-of-the-un-sets-and-each
>>43717223
These are shoped
I can tell from the pixels and by having seen quite a few shops in my time
>>43717270
Nice damage control, Mark.
Was any of this even mentioned on MTG Salvation or anywhere else? Are we the first to crack this case?
◇
>>43717223
>Raymand Swanland art that isn't destinctive Raymond Swanland art
Fuken dropped
>>43717300
Dunno, I'm too lazy to lurk forums and I don't undestand reddit.
>>43717327
Aleksi and Raymand styles checks out.
>>43717327
They probably told him to boil his edgy shit down for a basic land that will be played in a fucking lot of decks. Still looks cool, though. I wonder what the other three or four Wastes will look like since they will probably come with more than just one for a basic land.
>>43717327
>Swanland covers all his art in flames and spikes
>draws some bismuth
He can only draw edgy.
>>43717223
My pet theory is that the art is real, but the cards are fake mockups deliberately leaked by Wizards to fuck with us, because Kozi is a trickster god.
>>43717396
To be fair, the only Kozilek from BfZ that DOESN'T have bismuth in it is Turn Against
>>43717396
To be fair, the art director is responsible for choosing who gets to paint what. Clearly Swanland is the go-to guy for scales, explosions and shit with spikes and edges.
>>43717223
Guys, keep the tinfoil hats on.
Yes, donthemage is probably the one who leaked the pictures and he probably had the cards for a while now. So somebody leaked cards, what of it? And yes, he might be an insider and he might know MaRo, that doesn't change anything.
>>43717461
It's good to know this leak was planned. They are watching us freak out and turn against each other for coming up with how the new colorless mana works. This is all part of Kozilek's plan. He IS the trickster titan after all.
>>43717461
But we can't post epic memes if it isn't Le Happening
![Turn-Against-Battle-for-Zendikar-MtG-Art[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qiBFXb8.jpg "Turn-Against-Battle-for-Zendikar-MtG-Art[1].jpg")
>>43717486
>They are watching us freak out and turn against each other for coming up with how the new colorless mana works.
> freak out and turn against each other
>turn against
>@Mtgfocus deleted the leak tweet
>https://twitter.com/Mtgfocus/status/666764141072257027
SHIT IS GETTING DEEP!
>>43717520
>>43717544
They left this retweet up, though: https://twitter.com/MishrasFotoshop/status/666773693469691905
>getting excited about trash cards
>>43717270
The image from the original tweet were in HQ.
>>43717619
>"I only play Eternal formats because they have good cards. It's the only true way to play and enjoy Magic."
>>43717619
mirrorpool is EDH gold
>>43717619
Assblasted Legacy Player detected.
>>43717723
>copy spell you control
>copy creature you control
it's trash, Jim. Even EDH can't save that shit.
>>43717268
>Wastes is bismuth
>Mirrorpool is Ferrofluid
Is mtg art direction now just the google image results for "Cool sciency stuff"?
>>43717805
>>43717796
>L-Legacy is dead! Ha ha ha! That shows you!
Bitch I don't even play legacy I'm just tired of you idiots acting like these are good cards.
>>43717805
>copying Dig through time and Treasure cruise
>bad
jesus christ.
also the fact that instead you can just create another Rhino or whatever instead is great.
>>43717849
This thread isn't about whether the cards are good or not.
>>43717849
>I don't always post on /tg/, but when I do, I'm a complete faggot
>Stay Salty, my friends
>>43717849
>being this butthurt
I'm here for the possible leak and conspiracy, calm your soggy tits please.
>>43717852
>Tap four lands and I can copy my treasure cruise!
>Tap SIX lands and I can copy my Seige Rhino!
zmg Timmy I can't handle the powerrrrr
>>43717901
People seem to always underestimate the impact of lands.
Even the blue and green blighted lands are seeing play, since they are basically free spells that you can put into your deck.
I agree, we will have to see how free the ◇ mana ist, but it is most likely going to see play.
>>43717901
and? that is great when your in top deck mode, bam you now draw 6 cards.
you have now won the game almost assurdly.
>>43717901
>>43718018
Sounds like a great land for control decks.
>>43717901
what you just said is actually quite powerful, are you on drugs? this is an uncounterable affect, even if they counter Treasure cruise, you still get the copy.
>>43717901
>5 mana to draw 6 cards
>not incredible
someone doesn't understand magic, it seems.
>>43717901
>even gives you more cards to delve for stuff
I'm sensing a great value deck here!
>>43717901
reminder, people played this quite alot.
with this land you pay 5 mana, only one of it is blue, and draw 6.
>>43717901
The only players who are worse at Magic than new-to-the-game timmies are spikes who are bad at card evaluation. Good Job, anon.
>>43717901
>/tg/ being horribly bad at Magic
Everytime.
>>43718127
That's what you become when you're playing nothing but netdecks.
>>43718095
>late game, guy plays Dig
>I attempt to counter spell with Dispell or something
>he copies Dig with this land, digs into a counterspell to counter my DIspell, then his original Dig resolves.
this is going to be a real thing that will happen, and idiots who aren't ready will suffer heavily, like this faggot>>43717901
Hey /tg/ if Mirrorpool actually makes it into an mtgtop8 deck in standard I'll rip all of my Lillis in half
>>43717901
>Bradnelson.dek
>>43718178
Post your Lilis so we can see you're serious.
>>43718178
Yeah me too
>>43718178
why wouldn't it? every esper player in existence wants at least 3 of this fucking land.
Speaking of lands, which (non zendy) swamps have the best artwork in your honest opinion /tg/? Im looking to pimp out this new monoblack modern deck im making
>>43718206
How can I be serious when /tg/ is such a joke
>>43718178
Screencapped for posterity. See you in 4 months bro.
>>43718233
Wrong thread.
>>43718235
Post them, you fucking coward.
>>43718239
Saving this for secondary confirmation
>>43718178
are people still playing Dig, Murderous Cut, Treasure Cruise, and Seige Rhinos?
>>43718242
Hey i figured its worth a shot. I need some new ideas.
>>43718235
>lol I didn't even have a Liliana so I won't have to rip them in half lol XD
>>43718127
Let's clarify this a bit.
Either you're good at card evaluation or you're not.
The people who are good at card evaluation take a card, build a deck with it, and it see whether it works or not. You don't necessarily need to be good at card evaluation, you just need to be able to build a deck and play a shit ton of games - these are the people who know what cards are good or not, they only know after tons of hours wasted figuring out what works or doesn't. Needless to say, there are not a lot of these people - namely nobody at your store or you are good at card evaluation.
Everyone else: pros, casuals, people working at Wizards, store owners, me and you, and all the people who don't do the above are SHIT at card evaluation.
>>43718242
Sure, here you go bro
>>43718286
>netdecking scrub projecting because he's bad at card evaluation and doesn't play outside of fnm grinding
>>43718333
Trips confirm.
>>43718233
Time Spiral has all the absolute best swamps.
>>43718286
>1U Good Card
>Creature
>Split second, flash
>end of turn you win the game
>0/1
This card is shit because it's a 01 for 2 mana and it does to removal and gets countered by counterbalance so it's a shitty card.
I bet you guys are the ones who thought Smothering Abomination was going to be the next big thing.
>>43718286
>The people who are good at card evaluation take a card, build a deck with it, and it see whether it works or not. You don't necessarily need to be good at card evaluation, you just need to be able to build a deck and play a shit ton of games - these are the people who know what cards are good or not, they only know after tons of hours wasted figuring out what works or doesn't.
This, whenever a new card is spoiled I never say that it's bad or good anymore. I just test out them out and see how it does.
>there are people in this thread that haven't already experimented with the cards
they're alright
>>43718398
it is, in Mardu aristocrats/rally.
it was always going to be a niche' card for niche' decks.
>>43718233
The Shadowmoor swamps are my favorite.
>>43718333
Nobody here. Me or you, have played with these cards in a deck or tested these cards in a deck. Or tried these decks in the environment they will be played in with other new cards. Nobody knows if these cards are good because nobody has done any testing. The only metric that determines EFFECTIVE card evaluation is testing. Raw testing.
So you're right. I netdeck all the time and play at FNM. But I know I'm shit at card evaluation and everyone else needs to admit this to themselves.
There are maybe only 20 people in the world good at card evaluation. 20 people who take the time to brew something out of nothing and find out what is good or not. Many more people can tweak, polish, or build off that foundation, but the people who actually figure it out what is good number no more than 20 and from them stem every competitive deck that makes cash. And those same ~20 people will show when the set is fully revealed what is good or not.
>>43718452
more like about 200 people.
the game isn't chess anon, it isn't hard to slot in a siege rhino, or figure out drawing 3 cards for 1 mana ala cruise is good.
>>43718452
You're confusing Card Evaluation as a skill with Deck Brewing as a skill.
>>43718233
Foil Mirrodin Swamp by Mark Tedin
>no one talking about the leak conspiracy
Guys...
>>43718541
It's either viral advertising or it's not. Who cares.
>>43718406
>>43718541
That's because there is no conspiracy. It was an intentional leak, just like all of those "we found this card from the next set in a booster pack of the current set, or in the parking lot of our fnm"
>new basic land
>its not purple
dropped
>>43718659
>wanting an actual new color
![f649ce05fd[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/wj6DMtz.png "f649ce05fd[1].png")
Hedron-flavored mind stone reprint in Oath of the Gatewatch showing off ◇ confirmed
Someone explain to me what all this shit is. Is this a new kind of mana?
>>43717340
>>43717300
it's been on mtgsalvation since yesterday
>>43718678
>it makes a difference
>>43718739
I'm talking about the conspiracy surrounding it. Click the links in the OP post.
>>43718732
The only answer is "nobody knows"
A guess is that the diamond symbol means "can only be paid for with colorless"
Another is that it's something similar to snow mana. Eldrazi mana, its own type, but still colorless
It's a leak so no actual information is out
Not guaranteed to be real either
>>43718659
There aren't enough mechanics and design space to fill five colors. How the hell can you expect a 6th color to be anything else than a flop?
Every set there's blue cards that tap, red cards that Threaten, black cards that discard, and so forth. Keywords must overlap between colors and their combinations are limited. They're hitting the limits of design space and have to ration whatever creative space is left. A 6th color would be the worst thing they could implement.
I'm glad that they're using phrases like "colorless spell" and "colorless creature" now. That's as close as you're going to get to 6th color. But that's not going to be around beyond this set.
>>43718705
I will love this, although rampant growth would be nicer to have
>>43718732
True colorless mana. If you see it in a cost, it can ONLY be paid for with colorless mana. Cards will likely no longer tap for (x) but instead ta for <>.
>>43718771
>>43718678
You both are really, really new arnt you.
>>43718775
so unless they errata every single mana rock, this shit is unusable in EDH unless people buy NEW cards?
Wizards might be going full jew.
>>43718791
WE DON'T KNOW
>>43718766
that I don't know, since I haven't been up with the threads.
>>43718791
They've done errata of that level before.
>>43718791
First of all, Wizards already is full jew, they have been for years now. Second of all, they likely will do the colorless mana errata. And third, this is all still just speculation because we don't have confirmation on ANY of this by Wizards.
>>43718766
My guess is no, it was only a few hours ago right?
>>43718791
It wouldn't be errata since it's clear that everything that produces [number of colorless mana] is now n[colorless mana symbol].
>>43718791
>this new card isn't useable in EDH unless you buy NEW CARDS?
just sayin
>>43718766
I read the posts.
One. Never trust anything MaRo says. It's all marketing, hype, and one day any promises he makes will be broken.
Two. donthemage is the guy posting some of these posts. This guy is the loudest supporter of the Reserve List. He fucking loves it and everything MaRo says. Based on everything I've read from this guy in the past he sounds like he'll kowtow to anything Wizards says without question and argue supporting it. He's either a mouthpiece for Wizards or a blind follower, either way, he, like MaRo, should not be trusted as they're essentially the same person.
>>43718791
I don't see why they'd need to, just let everything keep producing (1),(2), etc, that mana is still colorless. All that changes is that there will be a handful of cards that care about colorless mana.
>>43718791
>going full jew
>going
what race is Maro anon.
>>43718791
Holy christ. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ERRATA ANYTHING.
Things that tap to add 1 or 2 or whatever to your pool already add colorless mana of that amount, which is functionally different in the rules from generic mana. The new symbol would only visually denote this rule that already exists, so that they can combine colorless and generic in casting costs.
This continued nonsense about errata is basically the equivalent of having a fit when they introduced the new tap symbol because "NOW THEY HAVE TO ERRATA ALL THE OLD TAP SYMBOLS TO THE NEW TAP SYMBOLS, OTHERWISE I CAN'T TAP MY PERMANENTS!"
>>43718849
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/23169388122/2-does-the-word-sorry-even-exist-in-the-wotc-or
See >>43716705
>>43718791
>Wizards might be going full jew
"Just watch as I shift into MAXIMUM OVERJEW"
>>43718850
This makes sense but the problem with that is that Mirrorpool >>43717659 actually specifies the symbol instead of just 1
Ugly formatting at the very least
>>43718452
>There are maybe only 20 people in the world good at card evaluation.
You're fucking retarded and don't even understand what the word "card evaluation" means.
It's not hard to see that both of these new cards are pretty fucking amazing.
One is a fucking land that becomes siege rhino 5-8 later on.
The other is a lategame uncounterable draw 7 that can then stick you a massive, evasive body which turns all your 2-drops into Force of Will against common removal and counterspells.
>>43718791
Errata only matter for Gatherer and reprints. And since most mana rocks will never see print again, it's not hard to change a few fucking symbols on Gatherer.
>>43718705
>we are going to have to design a card that literally already exists
One of the guys from the Great Designer Search made the colorless mechanic. You can find it in the archives.
Here's how this is going to work: any colorless X, or 1, 2, or whatever can be paid for with mana of any color.
Diamonds can only be paid for by purely colorless mana; mana that has no color at all. So to cast Kozi here, you could have 8 green mana and two colorless, or 10 colorless, but NOT 10 green.
Mana rocks will continue to produce wholly colorless mana-the diamond symbol. It will be marked with {C}.
Costs will still require large "anything goes" costs, with probably only a handful needing actual colorless mana in any given set. Expect it to be evergreen, but rare. Think protection. It's a very large drawback, which leads to splashy effects. This is an interesting twist on a sixth color while still allowing for future use outside of the set, and not cocking up the rest of Magic. I look forward to the reveal.
See you in a few months.
>>43718869
Literally this. Thank you.
It's like people saying "well I guess all these come into play abilities on old cards no longer mean anything because there's only 'The Battlefield' now".
>>43718922
Thank you, Mr. Nagle.
>>43718791
They already errata'd it from "Add one colorless mana to your mana pool" to "Add {1} to your mana pool", and it's a pretty convincing argument that once again changing it to "Add {D} to your mana pool" makes the game easier to explain while opening up design space.
>>43718885
Good point. Well there are already cards like (pic related) so Wizards at least isn't against printing a ton of mana symbols on a card.
>>43718791
>>43718951
Compare the original printing of Blasted Landscape to its most recent printing.
It's just gonna be Eldrazi mana. Snow mana 2.0.
See you in a few months.
>>43718871
Well fuck, I'm glad someone else sees it.
Nobody cares though. We're on fucking 4chan the so-called buttplug of the Internet. Post this shit anywhere else and it will get nuked for slander or downvoted to hell.
It's elementary information control. Have some pundits on your side, buy off your critics.
Look at the Limited Resources podcast. God bless you Marshall for such a quality show but you obviously aren't allowed to talk shit about MTGO being broken now that you're on Wizards' payroll AND ChannelFireball's payroll, which is also in some ways on Wizards' payroll as a marketing outlet.
>>43718949
You're welcome.
Interestingly, Nagle was on the panel for the designer search.
>>43718968
Hey, we can meet up.
>>43718968
it's what i figured
which sucks cause that sucks
>>43718969
>aren't allowed to talk shit about MTGO being broken now
This is probably just self-censorship on his side.
>>43718871
Maro really has a lot of patience. I can kinda respect the guy for being able to deal with fans.
>>43718806
>They still won't make the nephilim legendary
>>43718968
I can't wait until colorless mana gets finally spoiled only to tell idiots like you "told you so" while you will be in denial you ever thought it was going to work that way. Thank god, we're all anonymous here, right? :^)
>>437190032016 will have four-color Commander decks with new Nephilim as legendaries.
>>43718922
so painlands would be good in standard if just for this
>>43719021
>I can't wait until eldrazi mana gets finally spoiled only to tell idiots like you "told you so" while you will be in denial you ever thought it was going to work that way. Thank god, we're all anonymous here, right? :^)
>>43718922
I'm not betting on it being evergreen. Right now, it seems to be Eldrazi-flavored and it possibly will be in the future. Only when a new set comes around that cares about colorless the <> will be used in costs. But first let's see what OGW brings.
>>43717520
>Ulamog destroys the physical
>Emrakul destroys reality
>Kozilek destroys Magic
He's really doing his best.
>>43719082
>Emrakul will warp the inhabitants on Innistrad
Innsmouth fish people confirmed!
>>43719003
This is non-functional errata; see >>43718967
>>43719030
I'll believe it when I see it, anon.
This is how you do a bet.
>>43718993
The reality is that he can't talk shit about the program. Whether or not it is because he is professional enough to self-censor or his managers have outright instructed him to not talk shit about it the reality remains the same, he remains completely mum on the topic.
Here's the deal, former co-hosts Jon Loucks and Brian Wong haven't played on MTGO since Khans because it's a broken piece of shit. They've been playing Hearthstone. I'm not going to begrudge Wong for quitting because the show was just too consuming but a tin-foil-hat part of me wants to think the man can't continue to be on the show and be muzzled when he wants to express that MTGO is a dogshit program. He still plays Limited on paper, but he's abandoned the MTGO.
Absolutely none of the pros that Wizards regularly uses as the faces of the game have ever shit-talked the program. They may be associated with those who have but the premier players don't say anything negative. They say nothing negative about card prices, they say nothing negative about the game - it's all upbeat excitement. Their continued spotlight is dependent on whether Wizards features them in articles or in their coverage. It's not necessarily negative but something critical that I want them to say but they don't.
Magic does better when players are just moronically flopping in and out of the game. People are constantly encouraging players to just rip open booster packs so as to brag about their lottery addiction. Being critical outside of gameplay is hardly something that is encouraged.
>>43719082
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre and Ceaseless Hunger, consumes the world around him
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, The Great Distortion, warps the reality he touches.
Emrakul, The Aeons Torn, sunders time itself.
>>43719171
>putting your money were your mouth is
Good on you. So what are you gonna do with that $10?
>>43719171
>The lack of reminder text
>On Mythics
They don't need to put reminder text for effects that will also be occurring at the common and uncommon levels. They expect that you'll have seen a few ◇ spells with reminder text in them by the time you see a Kozilek.
Obviously, it's different for something like Void Winnower who has a unique effect. This is basic, even under NWO.
>>43719184
What will Emrakul's name will be the next time she gets printed as a new card?
Emrakul, the Deafening Madness
Now it's your turn, /tg/!
>>43718705
>Next time we go to Zendikar
>We're already on Zendikar
>There will be a next time
Superfriends confirmed for saving the plane. Ob Nixilis a shit
>>43719082
>>43719003
Errata of the Nephilim would be functional errata - they prefer not to do functional errata when they can avoid it, unless it's a shift of the baseline rules, though 'functional errata' is something like 'strictly better' - it's considered only on a card by card basis, with maybe some Generic Always Around Stuff considered, not considered with every card past future or present that could possibly effect it.
Adding a supertype to make something die if there's more than one of them is beyond what they'd be willing to do with errata. Changing a symbol is not.
>>43719002
How does his dick taste like?
>>43718963
Man I love that card
>>43719245
I can almost see them going all out and just calling her "Emrakul, the Shadow over Innistrad".
>>43719245
Emrakul, the Eternal Rift
>>43719313
I can dig it.
COLORLESS MANA ≠ GENERIC MANA
COLORLESS MANA ≠ GENERIC MANA
COLORLESS MANA ≠ GENERIC MANA
COLORLESS MANA ≠ GENERIC MANA
COLORLESS MANA ≠ GENERIC MANA
>>43719354
Thank you.
>>43719313
I wouldn't mind Emrakul showing her presence in the dreams of the Innistrad people, slowly turning everything weird and darker just by being in the vicinity of the plane. It would probably even be better if she wasn't shown at all.
>>43719003
The only reason to do it is EDH.
EDH is usually casual enough that you should be able to get your friends to allow you to play a Nephilim as your commander if your heart is really set on it.
>>43719354
I feel sad for anyone who hasn't realized this already.
>>43718909
A ten mana creature has a huge effect on the game? Gadzooks! A land that doesn't tap for colored mana could be used for effect in a three color deck on turn 6? Stop the presses!
>>43719361
You know they'll show her though.
>>43718919
I'll take it was a joke for 200 Alex
>>43719274
He's a mouthpiece for wizards. I wonder if his justification for lying is 'if I didn't someone would replace me' which to be fair is almost definitely correct, although he could still promote the truth for a small time before they offed him.
I understand hating him because he lies (and he definitely lies) but I think that some of the anger is misguided and should be directed towards wizards in general. One of his main purposes is to be a scapegoat and it shouldn't work as well as it does.
That said, not the anon you replied to.
>>43719419
If she's in Innistrad, probably. I still hope they're going for slow, creeping Lovecraft horror with the big reveal only at the end. It would work with the two-block paradigm.
>>43717852
If you want to evaluate cards from a kitchen table perspective that's fine, but none of this is good enough for standard even
>>43719245
>Emrakul, the Genderfluid
Aternately,
>Emrakul, Excuse to Draw Avacyn Tentacle Porn
>>43719469
>I understand hating him because he lies
>although he could still promote the truth for a small time before they offed him
>I'm sucking his dick
What? I wouldn't care if you blew up his house I just don't hate the guy much myself.
Emphasis on much.
>>43718095
That card was only good because it was an instant. You basically are setting yourself up to play a pile of suboptimal cards for the chance of a nut draw
>>43719565
>Ruise Cruise
>Land that doubles your cruise
>Sub-optimal
>>43719498
I get your point, what I hate is this sort of cult following he has around him on tumblr, his awful comics and the fact he can't see why jace is being overused.
I don't dislike his work because mainly I don't know what cards he designs, I dislike him as a person. He's a true money vampire, he's an asshole irl and people see him as the saviour of mtg. The fucker is not your friend, he doing marketing while he designs.
>>43719631
>his awful comics
What? I tried looking it up I still don't know what you're talking about.
>>43719082
>>43719184
Close. Ulamog consumes worlds. Kozilek consumes minds. Emrakul consumes time.
>>43719498
One of his job description is probably 'rile up enough neckbeards so we can get free publicity from all the abloo bloos posted in online forums.'
>>43719361
This. The next block is all about something twisting people, like the a church of Avacyn, into monsters and everyone is in a panic (us the readers, and the Planeswalker protagonists) because they fear that it is clearly the Eldrazi. There are plenty of signs, but as they dig deeper, the signs twist and distort like they were never there and the protagonists think it's all in their head, but Jace confirms that the memories are real. He become paranoid that there is a mind mage afoot, like a vampire, that is causing all these problems for his own benefit by manipulating people's memories. Sorin has found out many safeguards he had laid are twisted and/or gone without a trace, and he's pissed because someone has been messing with his shit. Liliana shows up and confronts Jace who lashes out at her thinking she is responsible for everything as a game. Meanwhile, a mysterious yet unassuming figure is seen in the background of many of these scenes. The block ends with this figure rowing a small boat out to a foggy ocean as a wicked grin crosses his face.
At the end of the first block we have:
Trail of corruption from the cult of Avacyn
Clues and mysteries leading to twisted horrors
Paranoid as fuck Jace who can't trust anyone
Pissed off Sorin wonder who has been sabotaging his shit
Liliana struggling with the Veil
The reality is that Emrakul is doing what Emrakul does and pieces of time are being erased, but the memories of what happened are still in people's minds. Likewise, we as the readers expect to see Elzradi, but they aren't actually there. The next set involves a horde of twisted monsters rolling in with the fog, and the heroes venture out to find the source, which turns out to beNahiri sleeping in a hedron with the cult leader twisting her dreams, making her use the hedrons power ton affect the dead. Emrakul is revealed in the return to return, and we move away from the Eldrazi plot for now.
>>43719704
>time
Teferi Pls.
>>43719733
>Emrakul has been following Sorin to get revenge or whatever the equivalent emotion an Eldrazi can feel, is
It all wouldn't be too far off. I'd be game for a psychological horror set.
>>43719774
I think not would more accurately be that Sorin had lured the Eldrazi to Zendikar, and Emrakul was still following the Lure or it followedNahiri.
>>43718826
>they likely will do the colorless mana errata.
Anyone who actually thinks this is fucking retarded.
>>43719897
They would never "errata" cards, right guys?
>>43719914
Before now there was no functional difference. Now there is.
>>43719922
That functional difference being?
>>43719940
That (1) can't be used to pay for (<>)
But Kozilek isn't indestructible and his abilities are shit
I don't buy it
>>43719922
I don't see any functional difference.
>>43719953
(1) is generic mana you can find in mana costs that can be paid with any mana. <> is colorless mana.
>>43719953
You don't know that. Literally nobody knows that.
>>43719940
>New color mana xDDD :^)
/tg/ is bad at magic. Just let it go. Screen shot for later so you can post and laugh, but for now just let them flop around. Pic related.
>>43719966
Certainly not the people who leaked it, right? ;^)
>>43719631
jace is being overused and counterspells are the most op form of removal are my two favorite mtg memes
>>43719953
Yes, actually, it can. That's the point.
(1) is now (C) when it's mana that is generated. (1) in a cost is something different.
>>43719953
Holy shit, I thought /tg/ is bad at magic was an exaggeration.
>>43719958
>abilities are shit
>uncounterable fill your hand
>turns all your one-drops into uncounterable mental misstep for 0, all your two-drops into uncounterable spell snare for 0, all your three drops into etc. etc.
He's a fucking beast.
Daily reminder that generic mana is NOT colorless mana.
A is not the same as B. <> is what the colorless mana will look like with OGW to differentiate it from the generic mana.
Case solved, everyone go home!
If (<>) is the same as (1) then why do the abilities on Mirror Pool not cost (<>)(<>)(<>) and (<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>) respectively?
>>43720093
because >>43720032
generic mana =/= colorless mana
>>43719958
Ulamog is the only Indestructible Eldrazi, he was the only Indestructible Eldrazi in the original Rise set.
>>43720093
because you can't put titties on cards (.)(.) much less double pair of titties (.)(.)(.)(.).
>>43720032
>Daily reminder that generic mana is NOT colorless mana.
and the cost {u} is not the same thing as adding {u} to the mana pool. The only difference between that distinction and the colorless generic distinction is that generic can be payed with any color of mana. The essence of 'colorless' mana is that it is generic and can only be used on generic mana, adding a colorless color is retarded and the only reason why distinguishing would be necessary is if they were doing exactly that.
Not to say that they aren't doing it, it seems like they are, but hopefully it'll just be snow 2.0 instead.
>>43720093
Because (<>) has to be paid with colorless mana specifically. The (2) and (4) can be paid with any color, the same as always. That's the popular theory anyway.
>>43720133
That's a stupid ass theory. Why the fuck even make the distinction?
>>43720122
>retarded
>>43720151
>stupid ass
>>43720091
>making a shitty mechanic like that for one set in a 2 set block and likely barely ever use it again
>making it complicated
>straining land bases harder if you wanna run this shit
>all of this for one singular set
Wizard's simply wouldn't do that
Diamond land will probably just be an additional kind of land for this block as a gimmick
>>43720133
I really hope that's the case, otherwise this is going to be worse than BFZ. It would be unplayable until next rotation....much like BFZ
>>43720154
>quote
>>43720151
Why is it stupid? We get a functional sixth color without having to actually print out a bunch of shit to support it, because there's a ton of stuff that produces colorless mana already. It's a clever and simple way to implement a new color without actually making a new color.
>>43720178
I see it more as a "devotion to colorless mana sources" as a sixth color.
>>43720191
Well yah, that's what I'm saying, if the theory is true all they're actually doing is making colorless mana actually matter. I can't think of any cards that need/want colorless mana specifically, so this would be new design space they're exploring.
>>43717223
So Kozilek is... still colorless, but in such a way that you need to use colorless mana to cast him? (i.e. the requirement can't be fulfilled via Birds of Paradise/Black Lotus/Moxen/tap for any color lands like City of Brass)
Welp, Eldrazi confirmed too weird for me to fully grasp, my brain is broke
Sure, it's probably just a new mechanic for 'colorless mana', but arguing about that is boring. I don't want to live in that world.
OBVIOUSLY this is a new, sixth color. A paradigm shift to end the game of Magic: The Gathering as we know it. Obviously the Eldrazi have won, and destroyed the universe. Obviously this is the end of Modern, and all subsequent sets are to be played only in the Future format. And obviously, the theme of its first set - will be Contraptions.
>>43720252
Well if you think about it, colorless mana has sort of been a color all along, there has just never been cards that needed it to be cast. You can't use colorless mana to pay for (G), the same way you can't use (G) to pay for (U). The only difference now is that there will be a handful of cards that treat colorless as a necessary color that they need to be cast.
>>43720278
I like it that you can't effortlessly splash Kozilek into a 3 or more colored deck. You have to actually think about how to plan your mana for your game.
>>43718871
what went with the helvault prerelease?
>>43719313
Too long, unfortunately. Wouldn't fit on a card.
>>43720310
I agree, and I'm really hoping that's how it's going to work. Making colorless function like an actually color would be a really elegant way to introduce a sixth color as it already has a lot of cards to make it functional right out of the gate.
>>43719247
This is Maro we're talking about.
He absolutely LOVES to drop carefully worded hints - he can't outright TELL us due to NDAs and whatnot, but he can hint and whatnot.
And the next time we're going to be going to Zendikar is this January, with Oath of the Gatewatch. We'll be returning to Zendikar...after the Commander decks.
>>43720178
>Why is it stupid?
Game designer makes 5 colors of mana, each can be spent for its own color or generic mana. Then GD decides that there should also be mana that can only be spent on generic costs, he calls this 'generic mana'. Making colorless mana rather is strictly worse than making colored mana when costing cards, it is a downside in comparison.
Making generic mana its own color makes it fundamentally non-generic and turns that downside into an upside, this means that cards which were previously balanced on making mana that can only be spent on generic cards get a buff. Either the cards which use the 'colorless color' are unplayable or they fuck up balance for no fucking reason. They don't even encourage mono colored or 0 colored decks because they themselves count as a color for manabase concerns.
This mirrodin style solution of making tribes gain support out of thin air is becoming tiring and hurting the game as a whole. This is just the last and most egregious offense that wizards has done.
>>43720366
>>43720386
That definitely is a generic mana symbol, yes.
<> can only be paid with specifically colorless mana.
Wastes generatate {1} or <1> AKA Specifically colorless mana.
Waste (The land, do NOT confuse with wasteland, the land) is basic, hence you can have any amount of them in a deck. Waste generates <1> or {1}. Waste does NOT have a type, and as such doesn't influence Domain.
<> is a parasitic mechanic, much like snowcosts and soul shift.Kozi2 is good in legacy.
>>43720421
><> is a parasitic mechanic
Except that there always have been sources of colorless mana in the past.
>>43720366
>Making generic mana its own color makes it fundamentally non-generic and turns that downside into an upside, this means that cards which were previously balanced on making mana that can only be spent on generic cards get a buff. Either the cards which use the 'colorless color' are unplayable or they fuck up balance for no fucking reason.
I think there's a middle ground there, but we'll have to see.
>They don't even encourage mono colored or 0 colored decks because they themselves count as a color for manabase concerns
I don't think it discourages such decks either. Colorless is still colorless, it may just function as a color with some cards, there may not even be many.
>>43720434
<> the symbol will probably either never appear again, or appear once in a blue moon.
That's parasitic mechanics.
>>43720421
><> can only be paid with specifically colorless mana.
>Wastes generate {1} or <1> AKA Specifically colorless mana.
Makes sense. this would mean that as one of mirror pools abilities costs 2<> respectively, you can pay for it with 3 mana, but one of them MUST be colorless. same for its 4<> ability.
>>43720450
No, it's not. A parasitic mechanic in Magic only works within it's own set. You can still use Mirrorpool without any other OGW card in your deck and it works.
>>43720366
a) Generic mana is not its own color and it will never be one. Generic mana only appears in costs, never as a product of a card.
b) A mana source that does not produce a colored mana produces colorless mana, not generic mana. AFAIK there are no cards so far that explicitely need colorless mana (there might be a card with "you may only spend colorless mana on this" but I found none).
c) Colorless mana can be spend as generic mana, just like colored mana can.
d) There is only one symbol for both colorless mana (if it is produced) and for generic mana (as a cost).
e) IF <> is the new symbol for colorless mana, d) will change and there will be cards that specifically need colorless mana to be cast from now on. You will be able to spend <> as colorless mana or as generic mana. Everything else is speculation.
>>43720386
That is the symbol for both generic and colorless mana, but in this case it is colorless mana.
>>43720421
Soulshift isn't parasitic, it plays perfectly well with spirits from all across magic. It's Splice/Arcane that was parasitic. Also Samurai Tribal, Ninja Tribal, and Moonfolk Tribal.
>>43720468
Except that before Kamigawa there were almost no spirits at all in Magic. Soulshift was highly parasitic when Kamigawa came out.
>>43720468
Everything is parasitic.
>>43720440
>Colorless is still colorless, it may just function as a color with some cards, there may not even be many.
That's the hope I guess, I hate what it will do to non-rotating formats but it could be good for standard potentially.
>>43720467
>Generic mana is not its own color and it will never be one
When did I imply otherwise? Everyone gets this, stop acting like it's confusing.
>Generic mana only appears in costs
I use the term 'generic mana' for both because it was called generic mana before it was called 'colorless'.
>A mana source that does not produce a colored mana produces colorless mana, not generic mana
Why are you pretending like there is confusion here when there clearly fucking isn't any?
>Colorless mana can be spend as generic mana
You mean colorless mana can only be spent on generic mana just like no other color can, right?
Why did you even respond? Just because I understand that 'colorless' mana is fundamentally linked with generic mana unlike you fucking morons?
>>43720517
>it was called generic mana before it was called 'colorless'.
CAN WE AGREE
<> IS ESSENTIALLY A NEW TYPE OF MANA
WHILE YES IT IS COLORLESS, IT CAN ONLY PAY FOR <> (WHICH IS CLASSIFIED AS COLORLESS )
THIS IS A SEPARATE ENTITY TO (X) WHICH CAN BE PAYED WITH ANY COLOR (INCLUDING <>)
CHEERS,
W
>>43720517
>When did I imply otherwise? Everyone gets this, stop acting like it's confusing.
Not everything was directed at you, I was also recapitulating for everyone.
>I use the term 'generic mana' for both because it was called generic mana before it was called 'colorless'.
Depending on OGW, you might have to change your use of the term.
>Why are you pretending like there is confusion here when there clearly fucking isn't any?
There is clearly lots of confusion. You seem not to be confused as you indicated in the sentence before, but other anons are.
>>Colorless mana can be spend as generic mana
>You mean colorless mana can only be spent on generic mana just like no other color can, right?
No, I mean what I wrote. The long form would be: Colorless mana can be spent on generic mana costs, and white mana can be spent on generic mana costs, and blue mana ...
>Why did you even respond? Just because I understand that 'colorless' mana is fundamentally linked with generic mana unlike you fucking morons?
See above, lots of anons don't understand it.
>>43720553
It's devotion to colorless mana sources. It's in between new mana / snow mana / colored mana. It does make you reconsider your manabase like a real color. But in reality it inverts the value of lands capable of producing colored mana and substitutes it with colorless. Now you might want to play your painland instead of a BFZ kekland.
>>43719699
Tales From The Pit. Maro's... thing.
>>43720568
>you will never be as strong as a person as Maro is;_;
>>43720312
People got all pissy that some random stores got "special" Hellvaults containing foil versions of the promo cards.
Keep in mind these promo cards were tokens and oversized Legendary creatures - cards that aren't even used to play the fucking game. So people felt like they were getting ripped off because some random people got surprise unplayable foil paper.
>>43720517
>>43720398
I correct myself in so far that that symbol is indeed called "generic mana symbol". As I said, so far there has been no need to differentiate between colorless mana symbols and generic mana symbols, since nothing specifically needed colorless mana.
For the other anons:
107.4b Numeral symbols (such as {1}) and variable symbols (such as {X}) represent generic mana in costs. Generic mana in costs can be paid with any type of mana. For more information about {X}, see rule 107.3.
107.4c Numeral symbols (such as {1}) and variable symbols (such as {X}) can also represent colorless mana if they appear in the effect of a spell or ability that reads “add [mana symbol] to your mana pool” or something similar.
They will probably adjust this if <> is the new symbol for colorless mana.
>>43720468
Splice wouldn't be parasitic if they printed more fucking arcane spells.
Or maybe just printed "splice into instant/sorcery" cards.
>>43720588
Some Helvaults contained Judge promos, though.
>>43720557
>There is clearly lots of confusion
Please show me.
>No, I mean what I wrote. The long form would be
This is purposefully obtuse, the difference between colorless and colored mana is that colorless isn't asked for. It isn't 'technically' in the rules but that is the effective state of things.
>>43720527
Holy shit are there seriously no cards which state they generate 'generic mana'? I could've sworn I saw some.
>>43720614
if there are cards that say "generic mana" they would be saying it in a payment context, such as "you may pay two generic mana to counter this effect"
>>43720614
>I could've sworn I saw some.
Are you sure you aren't confused yourself, anon? I'm pretty sure you're more confused than you know about mana.
>>43720605
But they didn't. Which is why it IS so damn parasitic.
>>43720622
OK, that would make sense.
>>43720588
>ignoring the judge promo Demonic Tutors
>>43720606
Alright, I didn't know that.
But that being the case. They were getting pissy about not receiving unplayable shiny cards AND cards they weren't entitled to in the first place (by the fact that the people bitching almost certainly weren't judges).
Even if some contained Worldwake Jace the Mind Sculptors I don't even see a problem with that either. Here's the deal, we were told the Helvaults contained promo tokens and oversized cards. That is all that should be expected. Anything extra is just that, a bonus. Getting angry that some people got a happy surprise is fucking childish and petty to the extreme.
>>43720626
But Wizards/Maro like to trot it out as proof of parasitic mechanics, when the thing could be anything but if they ever bothered to try doing something with it.
>>43720624
>Are you sure you aren't confused yourself, anon?
Please tell me how my mistake in semantics caused or showed any misunderstanding of the rules in any relevant or practical sense.
>>43720632
It's the same as complaining about expeditions in booster packs: "If I'm not guaranteed and someone else still got these, I hate them!"
>>43720639
You were dead sure about the generic mana thing and it wasn't true.
>>43720614
In this thread there is almost none (>>43720151), but the other threads were bad and it wore me out. Sorry for that.
>>43720624
That wasn't me, btw.
>>43720642
>You were dead sure about the generic mana thing and it wasn't true.
We've been over this (although I'm not sure if I'd call myself 'dead sure' but whatever.)
Anything actually relevant?
>>43720632
The judge promos weren't randomly distributed like the Expedition Lands. They were specifically sent to a handful of high profile stores like Twenty Sided store in New York.
It wasn't like some lottery where there was a small chance your store could be lucky. You literally had zero chance if you were at a run of the mill hometown FLGS.
>>43719631
He's a juden
>>43720091
>You can't pay for <>
I guess we don't have to worry about anyone hard casting the new Kozilek then
>>43720687
"He's a jews"
>>43720663
God forbid we reward our high profile stores for making us more money.
Once again, the expectation was tokens and oversized Legendaries. Just because somebody else got something better, doesn't mean you got fucking ripped off.
>>43720632
Did you see the reaction here when they know wizards is inserting Expeditions into BfZ boosters?
It's something like : GIVING US FREE EXPENSIVE STUFFS? FUCK YOU WIZARDS FUCK YOOOOUUUU.
It's honestly not that different from that neckbeard.
>>43719958
Kozi never had evasion, that was kind of the point of Kozi honestly, was that he was the most powerful, as long as he didn't get killed.
>>43719245
Emrakul 2: Electric Boogaloo
