What the fuck. New basic land type? Fuck this shit.
>>43700646
<><> counterspell when
>>43700646
More OGW sillyness
>>43700646
I don't see a land type on that card son, you'd best read it again.
>Not RTFC
>1993+22
>etc etc.
>>43700702
It's a "Basic Land - Wastes" card type. l2r, etc...
>>43700741
That's the name of the card, you fuck. It's a basic land with no land type.
>>43700702
Why do people have a hard time understanding a basic land not actually being a basic land type?
It can't produce a color, so what type would it get?
>>43700646
>New basic land type?
Actually not.
>>43700839
well, it *could* be basic land - wastes. in which case, you could tribal flames for 6. but it's not, so 5 is the max.
my current thought is that <> is basically an additional cost (like altar's reap: as an additional cost, sacrifice a creature). there's some shit that makes it, but mostly it's just a troll.
>>43700741
Right back at you, moron.
>>43700741
>l2r
>cant fucking read himself
>>43700839
>"Printing Waste at common was a mistake since it confused newer players too much." - Maro, October 2016
NWO confirmed for being a good thing.
>>43700741
>The name box is the same as the type box!
Oh boy, so the name of every card ever printed is also a card type!
Source?
>>43700949
Wizards.
>>43700839
>>43700857
It doesn't need a type, because i think it may just be them retemplating the old colorless-making lands to make a <>, so that there is a distinction between generic costs and colorless mana. Making the 'basic land with no land type' a little more legitimate and easier to work within the rules.
It turns colorless into the 6th color that it's always kind of been.
Or not, it's wild speculation.
>>43700949
>>43700962
There is no source
Did these get snuck out? Why no announcement?
>>43700996
>>43700949
The power of leaks.
or fakes, we have no clue
>>43700996
Because Kozilek wants you to be confused.
Are these cards real? How does the new mana symbol work? Isn't this impossible to be real? Did reality just become distorted?
/!\ ALERT /!\
MARO CONFIRMED NEW LANDS
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/42052634149/why-are-the-colorless-mana-symbol-eg-add-1
/!\ ALERT /!\
PAINLANDS NOW LESS GARBAGE
>>43700968
I think it is a mana symbol that requires colorless and can't be paid by any of the WUBRG, That seems like a perfectly fine mechanic, imo.
>>43701017
>February 01, 2013
But yes, that's around the time they began exploratory design for Zendikar block.
>>43701017
>http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/42052634149/why-are-the-colorless-mana-symbol-eg-add-1
Wow
He confirmed it TWO FUCKING YEARS AGO
Almost three actuallly
Won't making them basic lands mean they'll be legal in every set? Is <> something we can expect a lot more of in the future?
>>43701033
Yeah, that's what i'm thinking it is too, it's interesting and forces you to use colorless lands or lands that simply produce colorless, which certainly makes an important distinction between colorless and colored mana when talking about colorless cards.
I think it's really cool, and it's about time they explored that kind of idea that colorless cards really do need to be colorless.
>>43701063
Nope. The five basic lands are only legal in all blocks because they get reprinted there. Snow-covered lands aren't legal to play in today's Standard because the last time they were reprinted was in Coldsnap, which is not Standard legal.
>>43700646
Is this basically housekeeping on the part of RND?
Where <> is colorless and C is just generic mana of any color?
That's what I would think.
>>43701063
Maybe
I honestly have no idea what they're gonna do with anus mana
>>43701063
Snow Lands aren't legal in every set either. Basics need to have been printed within the format in question to be legal there.
Fun fact: In a format where only slow basics would have been printed, normal basics would be illegal.
>>43701084
But we ARE all in agreement that anus mana is the proper name for it yes?
>>43701084
>anus mana
>>43701109
It's crystal mana.
>>43701109
Nah, I think the new symbol is better than the old one. Greatest of all time, in fact.
So we should distinguish between the old symbol and the new symbol by referring to them as C and GOATC.
>>43701121
If it had all straight lines I'd agree with you and call it "Diamond mana, but with the curves I can't help but just see an anus
>>43701121
T. Tumblerina redditor warrior of the fedora
Anus land
>>43700968
Why does pic related produce <>, not just (1), then?
Didn't MaRo say in his column this week they'd cracked a longstanding design problem? Maybe that's what Wastes was, the colourless basic land?
Will this become viable with Oath?
>>43701279He was talking about contraptions in Kaladesh.
![viktor-titov-coralhelm-guide[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ekr4ezg.jpg "viktor-titov-coralhelm-guide[1].jpg")
what is she holding in her hand?
>>43701312
Some bismuth. Gonna make some dye.
Why Wizards decided to name their BIGGEST in-universe antagonist "Nicol Bolas" when it's obvious that such name translated to spanish (biggest language on the world) comes off as
>Los testiculos de Nicolas
>Nicol Testicular
>Dragon con testiculos colgando
They literally named their main villain as male genitalia.
>>43700929
Anon.... It literally used to be like that.
>pic related
>>43700793
Thank you for that. I've been on my phone a day and haven't gotten a chance to make this yet.
>>43701287
Its already viable.....its shown up in multiple ramp decks.
>>43701312
A piece of anus land
>>43701335
Then why can I still buy it for five cents?
>>43701345
Because the ramp deck isn't very good.
>>43701017
>/!\ ALERT /!\
>PAINLANDS NOW LESS GARBAGE
This doesn't make painlands less garbage.
>>43701345
>>43701358
And Sanctum of Ugin isn't really needed in the deck for the better versions.
>>43701312
HOOOOOLLLLYYY SHHHIIIITTT
>>43701325
They don't give a shit
>>43701312
Jeez that fishy bitch is fine as FUCK.
>>43701312
>fishtits
Disgusting.
>>43701131
Oh my god that was brilliant.
>>43700646
>mfw these first show up
>mfw they're real
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY REALLY THIS STUPID? WHY THE FUCK WEREN'T THESE IN BFZ?
>>43701325
why doesn't someone who speaks Spanish just make a card game to rival magic if its so prolific.
looks like big EM will be real crazee when he does show up
>>43701398
They aren't real though.
>>43701407
It exist, it's called Mitos y Leyendas.
The guy that does the cards art also does art for Wizards and Blizzard sometimes.
>>43701394
YOU TAKE THAT BACK
>>43701424
>google it
uhhhhhhhhhhh
is this... it...?
>>43701425
Non-mammalian mammaries are heresy.
>>43701425
DUDE, its all about her hips, they're fucking amazing
>>43700697
I fucking love this card actually
Ill do whatever I can to make a shitty standard deck with him and his diamond mana cost bros
>>43701459
Those look very mammalian to me. Remember: dolphins are mammals, too, despite living in the water.
>>43701453
Nop, your google skills are shit anon.
>>43701453
http://www.tradecardsonline.com/im/selectCard/game_id/40
>>43701469
Dolphins don't have thin veiny fins like that, they have fat meaty flippers.
>>43701469
It's not heresy to fuck a dolphin, right?
>>43701325
Because he's named after a character in someone's D&D game from way back when the design teams were independent groups of Garfield's buddies (as were most of the legends from Legends), and said group was unaware of the meaning of his name.
So they've got this badass dragon villain who happens to have an unfortunate name in one of the many languages that Magic is printed in.
New spoiler just leaked. RW manland, turns into a 4/2 first striker for 1WR.
>>43700646
>>43700697
God dammit I just got done putting my entire collection up on eBay because I just can't afford to keep up with the game and I need to invest in other things...shit like this makes me want to take it down and start buying again...
>>43701538
image links, ooorr...??
>>43701543
My bad, it appears it was confirmed fake.
>>43701542
>THIS makes you want to start buying again
seek help
>>43701425
>>43701465
Why not both?
>>43701489
>>43701121
it's nothing mana
literally void mana
mana so colorless that it's actually just unfathomable because it was crafted by Mr. "You don't understand me" himself
>>43701706
Then shouldn't you use it to decrease your opponent's mana poll rather than increase your own?
>>43701706
It'scolorless mana.
the way magic seems to be going lately
>>43701398
It's so colorless that it can't really even be called colorless
You can't understand it
Just as Kozilek designed it
It's probably what he was working to unleash that whole time underground
>>43701721
no one knows
why can't you understand that
oh wait
To the guy last thread who insulted the Onslaught block books: fuck you niggerfaggot, those books were great.
>>43701737
>>43701735
>Colorless mana
Then explain this crap?
>>43700697
See the diamond, Diamond, EIGHT COLORLESS cost? It's new mana. A new stupid color to confuse the noobs.
And I thought Akroma was stupid. I'm glad I quit when I did.
>>43701833
The obvious thing would be to say <> can only be paid by colorless mana, rather than any type of mana, colored or colorless.
It's not that confusing.
I have a question
>Meme crab <>
This can only be paid with <> mana. But not with 1 mana of ANY color NOR mana generated, by for example, mishra's factory
>Kek's crab
this can be paid with ANY mana of ANY color, including non-colored-specified (Mishra's) and non-colored <> (Waste)
>DIS B GUD IDEA :DDDDDD
>>43701849
Did you suffer a stroke while writing this post?
>>43701847
Ok.
So I can pay Kozi2 cost with my tron?
Is <> payable with Mutavault's mana?
>>43701861
Yes.
>>43701861
I don't know. Those are only guesses on my part, given Eldrazi care about colorless and the design of these cards. But perhaps it's another type of mana altogether.
But yes, I'd say you can.
>>43701847
wouldn't it make more sense to just say something along the lines of "this creature's mana cost can only be paid with colourless mana" instead of inventing an entirely new symbol
>>43700646
Cool bismuth land, bro. That mana symbol reminds me of normal energy, from Pokemon.
>>43701878
No, because this lets there be a colorless basic land, which people have been asking for for a long time.
>>43701878
>paying ten colorless mana in draft
Yeah, no.
It makes sense to distort the mana and invert it so colored requirements become colorless requirements.
>>43701878
Probably. But it's less cool.
What if anus mana is actually a representation of processing to pay a cost, and the wastes are fake?
>>43701886
shit man maybe they'd have to print some kind of support for their colourless fatties
>>43701889
They would write that on the card, not put that in the mana cost.
>>43701889
Processing and eating is Ulamog's shtick. Warping and distorting is more Kozilek's kind of fun.
I had hope for OGW
If these card are real, it will be the first set that disappoint me
WotC, please, don't do this
>>43701901
Are you retarded? Are you the down's syndrome player that Wizards has been catering to with
>BFZ
>Khans
>>>>>>Theros
Seriously, fuck off you goddamn cretin.
>>43701901
>the first set that disappoint me
BfZ, Avacyn Restored, Gatecrash/Maze, and all of Theros didn't?
>>43701919
I liked avacyn restored...
repost from reddit, but clears shit up >>43701861
Previously:
{1} in cost: generic mana. Can be paid with any color
Until Onslaught: "Add one colorless mana to your mana pool". Can be used to pay generic costs.
After Onslaught: "Add {1} to your mana pool". {1} in mana producers is colorless mana that can be used to pay generic mana costs.
After Oath:
{1} in cost: generic mana. Can be paid with any color or colorless
{d} in cost: colorless mana. Can only be paid with colorless mana.
{d} in producers: colorless mana. Can pay generic and colorless costs.
{1} in producers: No longer exists, erreta to {d}
>>43701328
It still said it in the type box you idiot
>>43701901
>>43701917
>>43701919
>>43701930
I liked the Kamigawa block more than all these meme blocks and sets that you mentioned combined.
I waiting for Return to Kamigawa on 2016.
>>43701917
>>43701919
Well, I did/do have fun playing with those setsBecause they are fun
This new mana just feel wrong, useless and will scare new players
>>43701954
>caring about it scaring new players
MaRo
>>43701954
>those sets
>fun
Are you one of those tards who started with Innistrad and thinks it's the best set ever?
Also no one cares about scaring new players except fucking Maro.
>>43701960
Between playing with you and with a new player, I choose the one that like playing MtG
>>43701982
You're right. New players don't like MtG.
>>43701982
I chose playing with him because he doesn't have shit taste nor is retarded.
There I invalidated your entire thesis.
>>43701980
There is no best set
It's useless to compare them, unless it is the same block
>ITT people don't know card types and subtypes
>ITT people don't know the difference between the new true colorless and generic mana
>>43701987
>>43701990
Why are you playing a game you hate, anons ?
>>43702017
I don't hate the game, I hate some of the sets.
>>43701998
Any Ravnica set is objetively better than any other Magic set since there have produced the best modern age cards (emphasis on age, not the format) this game has to offer and were also cashcows.
Before you only had shitty what the fuck is happening stupid sets with unbalanced effects and nearly no lore that sold like shit and sometimes had hits here and there.
>>43702023
You hate the sets that are the actual face of MtG
>>43701946
>{1} in producers: No longer exists, erreta to {d}
Omg, nothing will get errata. It works perfectly within the rules. Generic mana ≠<>
>>43702017
I like Magic, Im fine with retards not joining the game because a there too fucking stupid to accept or understand the concept of colorless basic lands.
Im also fine if retards like you leave the game.
>>43702040
Magic's a butterface then.
>>43702040
>face of magic
You mean Jace? The fucker that apparently everyone loves and is everywhere?
>>43702040
>The set MaRo admitted was a mistake is part of the face of magic
Fuck off
>>43701778
So you like masturbating shadowpeople, panthers for asses, two people that have to be killed at the exact same time with the same weapon for the whole plot to even work WAIT NO IT'S THREE WITH ONE BLOW, bringing back dead characters for no good reason, making Teferi white, and dropping Braids down a hole because why not?
>>43702030
ravnicababby pls
>>43702045
If you want colorless mana using basic lands, why not just using colored basic land like we did during 20 years ?
>>43702068
>You mean Jace? The fucker that apparently everyone loves and is everywhere?
Why is he even the main character? I don't think I've met anyone in real life or the internet who thought he was a good character
>>43702081
holy shit what is this
>>43702098
He's a generic fuck that represents Magic's main playerbase. They're gonna switch him out soon, which'll be neat.
>>43702098
Because wizards wanted someone that they could use as the face of magic and plaster over everything. so we got 5 human/human like walkers because people can easily relate to them. Even ajani has been phased out as their white planeswalker because he wasnt human enough
Fuck i miss urza though
>>43702105
A sentence you didn't understand
>>43701279
It was probably something in fall 2016's block, or the one after. They design 2 years out.
>>43701301
Most likely this.
![boreal-druid[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BJbCZ1U.jpg "boreal-druid[1].jpg")
Boreal Druid reprint?
>>43702149
MaRo said no more onedrop mana dorks.
>>43702149
There might be a functional one, though it wouldn't be a snow creature.
>>43702081
because some people like flavor.
>>43702149
Nope, too powerful for standard
>>43702148
>It was probably something in fall 2016's block, or the one after. They design 2 years out.
The question was about spring 2016 though.
>>43702154
MaRo says a lot of things
>>43702081
Colorless EDH nigga.
>>43702172
He does like to bend the truth, doesn't he?
>>43701033
It's just Eldrazi Snow.
They could've made Blighted Plains et all, but they decided to finally give the EDH babbyes their motherfucking colorless land so they can play with Karn/Kozilek/Ulamog as their general and stop whining.
>>43702177
Like the fucking kike he is.
>>43702177
It's not his fault, his nasus has been slowly taking control over the brain
>>43702149
Kike's good goyim slave 1<><>
Double rare epic mythic
T: Add <> to your mana pool
0/3
Is it really that difficult to understand?
You pay for Blue spells with Islands
You pay for Green spells with Forests
You pay for <> spells with Wastes
It's not colorless as it's defined
>>43702224
You pay for <> with colorless ONLY you retard.
>>43702236
But you can't pay for <> with a land that produces 1 like Mutavault or Sanctum of Ugin.
1 colorless isn't the same as <>
>>43701325
To be fair, Nicol Bolas was not designed as the biggest in-universe antagonist. He just fell into the role.
>>43702260
Yes it is you moron.
<> is the requirement of spending 1 colorless mana.
8<><> means you must spend 8 mana of any color and 2 which must be colorless
>>43702260
Unless it IS the same as <>. Which at this point is equally as likely.
Moreso because they've been trying to reduce fully parasitic mechanics like what you're saying it is would be.
>>43701453
This is Mitos y Leyendas, where Pancho Villa fights along Achilles, Thor, Amaterasu and Ra, and everything is always vintage-level retarded.
>>43702270
Can you prove this? The way I see it is that Wastes produce the diamond symbol which is printed on the card, just like how other land cards produce the same symbol on them (forest = tree, islands = water, etc)
>>43702270
Not the guy just trying to understand this theroy.
Why are there lands that produce <> then?
They could as well just produce 1.
Suggests that there is a mechanic that distinquishes <> form 1 while in the manapool.
>>43701538
Shoul've known better. That land is actually good.
>>43702292
OR that they're phasing out 'T: Add 1 to your mana pool' for 'T: Add <> to your mana pool'
And because the basic looks like shit if it's a number, they've mocked it up before.
>>43702292
Read up on the explanations why it isn't that simple from the old "Barry's Land" article. The wastes are essentially a workaround to barry's land.
>>43701325
Spanish is not the "biggest" language in the world
>>43702292
You're basically asking why there are cards that say 'comes into play' instead of 'enters the battlefield'.
Colorless mana has now been made distinct from generic mana.
>>43702270
We don't actually know for sure.
>>43702270
So it's like the pyrexian mana where you could pay either 2 life or the mana cost?
>>43702313
This land isn't Barry's Land.
Barry's Land's entire point was to push Domain up to six, which Wastes cannot do. It has not solved the problem of Barry's Land at all.
>>43702317
It's the second most spoken language and the fist most spoken natively.
Would be the most spoken language if americans weren't completely retarded and incapable of understanding any language other than dumbed down english, or people from other nations didn't need to conduce business with 'murrka.
>>43702386
The mechanic would be far too parasitic if they essentially made one-time lands for a handful of cards.
It'll without a doubt just be spend colorless mana only on <>. Why? Because it's a genius workaround to making viable cards that can be played across formats.
Standard is prohibitive with colorless mana production. There's no tron or over-the-top rock ramp for players to abuse. That means the ball is totally in Wizard's court. They can print some really pushed stuff specifically because producing colorless mana isn't an effortless feat in this format. Hence why they're making colorless lands, it's an on-theme drawback for standard.
For modern and up? This restriction goes away, and all of those really strong but prohibited cards suddenly become a lot more playable, but obviously have to be built toward in a specific way.
It's a really clever design.
>>43702098
I thought based Gideon was the main boi
>>43700646
It seems pretty shitty to introduce this obviously block restricted card to the last set in the block.
>>43702392
So converge is still a shit mechanic?
>>43702463
Yes.
Radiant Flames is alright, if you're already playing three colors including red, because you can toggle between 1-3 damage if you need to, but other than that it's shit.
Maybe if there were more Xs in the costs than just the one flying beater it'd be okay.
>>43702463
It was shit when it was called sunburst too, anon.
>>43700646
What does it add to your mana pool? Bismuth?
You know they already did this like 20 years ago in Pokémon right? I'm actually surprised it took them this long now that I think about it.
>>43702527Wizards made double colorless energy
>>43700646
They actually stole Jonathon Loucks' The Great Designer contest idea to make whole BFZ and OGW sets after they kick him from R&D.
http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/125b
Well done Maro!
>>43701033
So it's a sixth color that doesn't interact with any of the "colors matter" mechanics like converge/sunburst/etc?
Bismuth lands confirmed for most parasitic design failure since Kamigawa block?
>>43702619
It's just colorless cards that require lands that make colorless.
You were gonna urzatron it out anyways, right?
Right.
>>43702030
Gatecrash and especially Dragon's Maze were utter dogshit.
Hell, Dragon's Maze was one of the worst sets of all time, especially considering modern set design.
>>43701425
Jesus christ I can't unsee it.follow her leg on the left and look how it connects to her hip. .
>>43702671
What's the problem?
>>43702098
Jace is the character business executives think we like. And it turns out marketing dept. isn't about telling the investors what is or isn't performing, it's about bullshitting the investors about Jace being oh so pupular and increasing sales because executive X says so.
>>43701489
>It's not heresy to fuck a dolphin, right?
I dunno anon, what do you think?
>>43702812
She's sitting in a position that from this angle messes with this guys sense of perspective
>>43702405
Mandarin has more than twice the native speakers of Spanish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
>>43700646
Didn't they (Maro?) mention many months ago that BFZ block contains the solution to Barry's Land and how to make basics viable for colorless Commander decks?
This sound quite plausible.
Having had a few hours to cool off on it I'm warming up to this new design.
I can't wait for Maro's column on it where he'll ensnare me once again and make me think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread with his sneaky kike ways.
>>43702149
>1 mana
>taps for mana
>has power
uh that card is pretty fucking overpowered anon
i dont think they would reprint it in standard
>>43700857
Actually, malimg it só it does count as a sixth color for domain, converge AND cards like that would maybe make cards like Prism Array less shit.
>>43702154
to reiterate: he thinks one-drop mana dorks are too strong RIGHT NOW. Green being persistently a turn ahead was a significant reason to why abzan was #1 deck
>>43701277
Because it can only be spent to cast spells that demand goatse mana, it can't cast artifact spells, for instance.
>>43702665
Gatecrash was fun as fuck go fuck yourself.
>>43702288
>everything is always vintage-level retarded.
Oh wow.
Sure it did get even more dumb than when I last played with the dragon xpac
>>43701954
Everything scares new players. Catering to new players is literally the worst thing you can do, it turns M:tG into fucking Hearthstone.
>>43702619
>Bismuth lands confirmed for most parasitic design failure since Kamigawa block?
You mean since the last set? Sure.
>>43702950
>contains the solution to Barry's Land and how to make basics viable for colorless Commander decks?
Commander players are so fucking retarded, you realize you could just play with an adjusted ruleset right? Just use mountains it's not like anyone should care.
>>43702619
>Bismuth lands confirmed for most parasitic design failure since Kamigawa block?
Not even remotely. For one thing, they are going to have a significant impact on EDH that will last basically forever.
Furthermore, nothing about these cards will be unusable in future sets. They might even have some sort of fringe meta uses. We just don't know until we know exactly how these cards will work.
>>43703028
I hope you're sarcastic, because it's either that or you're completely fucking retarded.
>>43703316
>sarcastic
you mean parasitic :^)
>>43703300
Are you for fucking real?
>>43703320
>I hope you're parasitic
That doesn't even make any sense.
>>43702319
source?
>>43703321
It's a casual format and if you're playing in tournaments they could just fucking add in a rule.
There is absolutely no sensible reason for why you can't just use other lands.
>>43703416
For friends sure, but EDH has expanded into pick up games and having universal rule set is important for that so including these cards is also important.
>>43703467
>having universal rule set is important
How in this case? I fail to see what issues would occur if you just say 'just imagine the mountains are colorless basic lands' before playing.
>>43703494
Well, you could. But on the off chance that you run into the one guy who hates that you do and you really want to play these would be great.
>>43703300
They should seriously just do away with the whole concept of colour identity. The rule that says that all mana you would get that is not one of the colours of your commander becomes colourless instead should be enough.
With that piece of bad game design out of the window, people could play basic lands in colourless decks, hybrid mana creatures in monocolour decks and cards with flashbacks or other activated abilities in decks that could not generate mana to activate them. No format would be broken.
>>43702950
This isn't the solution to Barry's Land. Barry's Land was specifically made to make Domain better. This doesn't add to domain.
>>43703416
>>43703494
You're literally complaining about WotC making the game more concise. There's no problem here other than you being a dumb fuck complaining about literally nothing.
>>43700646
Does this mean that all lands that tap for colorless tap for <> now?
>>43700646
>>43700702
>>43700839
You know. I think people are missing the point.
>New basis land?
No
>New Mana Type
>Yes
>The important part
The New Mana type.
Pretty sure that's what people are freaking out over.
>>43703595
It isn't a new mana type. Its just colorless mana. This is just a new basic land without a new basic land type.
>>43703595
We literally don't know yet. People who are freaking out already are reactionary retards.
>>43703577
>You're literally complaining about WotC making the game more concise
Never complained about the card itself actually, just insulted EDH players for being slaves to arbitrary rules. The card seems stupid beyond that, but its influence on EDH is positive, it just shouldn't have been necessary and it could've just come as a part of a commander set if they hated getting rid of color identity or adding proxy lands.
>>43703494
What if someone plays both colorless lands and mountains?
>>43703526
Honestly, I personally like the color identity rules because of how they make deckbuilding more interesting and the differences between the colors more concise. I don't want EDH reanimator decks that can put targets from any color in their deck no matter what their commander is, for example. Or commanders that cast spells for free could just put whatever in their decks. It's not the right way to go.
>>43703602
>Its just colorless mana.
Well that's incorrect as all fuck. At very least it's like Snow or Phi mana. It's not "Just Colorless".
>>43703625
Either they're not allowed to do that or they should use islands as proxies instead?
This doesn't seem very difficult.
>>43703638
The only supertype it has is basic. It doesn't do anything special. All <> means is 'can only be paid with colorless mana' and the new <> basic lands are just catering to new players to make it less confusing. Screencap this post.
So am I right in assuming Animar won't be able to reduce the casting cost of these creatures to 0?
>>43703682
Probably just like Gut Shot if played with life under Trinisphere costs 3 colorless and 2 life.
>>43703661
essentially you want them to proxy something that didn't exist, but does now
>>43703711
Yes. Anything else?
>>43703734
People generally wouldn't allow that making building a colorless deck for pick up play functionally impossible.
>>43703855
>People generally wouldn't allow that
Then they're fucking idiots and I pity the few non-retarded EDH players who have to suffer with them.
Either that or EDH is infested with Pluralistic ignorance due to no one pushing the norms in which they're still idiots.
>>43703944
Then what's wrong with them printing these cards?
>>43703952
There isn't anything wrong with them printing the card for EDH. All I've said about it is >>43703624 that it seems stupid for standard and they could've printed it in a commander set instead.
>Not calling it Tangomana
>>43702527
If I'm understanding <> correctly (which I doubt I am), double colorless is a pretty different mechanic. Unless <> lands provide 2 mana.
>>43704013
>tangomana
>not bismuthmana
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Reminder that not all cards that fetch land base their search off a subtype, and that Evolving Wilds can fetch Wastes.
>>43702608
Wow, there is a load of cute comments from the judges in their critiques.
>a better shock?! Can't have that!
>reprints bolt a few years later
>colourless as a sixth colour? You done goofed son
>snow lands and such sucked.
>wastes may be just the same
>>43704037
so can solemn simulacrum
>>43704064
Nothing that comes from the next set will be worth caring about in Modern to the point where you'd actually run Solemn when he's too slow for the format currently.
>>43704038
>snow lands and such sucked.
What was bad about them? Just not impactful enough for people? 'parasitic'? They don't seem too bad to me.
>>43704083
oh I know I just think that it'll be neat to have solemn fetch a basic colorless in EDH
>>43704090
I suppose it'll make Solemn playable in Karn since he'd have a fetch target now.
>>43704097
yeah. I think that barry's land will do some significant work. I'd pick up as many of him as you can.
>>43704038
Further proof that design team is nothing but selfish narsist bastards
>>43704106
Sad Robot is getting a decent reprint every year with the Commander sets so there's no point in trying to make bank off him.
>>43704166
no BARRY'S LAND. BUY BARRY'S LAND
>>43701954
>This new mana just feel wrong
That's probably the point. What better way to represent how the Eldrazi transcend the color pie than by requiring you to pay colorless mana to play them? From a flavor perspective I like the concept and it's a cool idea. It's got a lot of potential if wizards prints good support for it.
>ITT: People who are too retarded to understand the difference between generic and colorless mana.
There has always been a problem with {1}, given that it meant different things depending on whether it was a cost or a produces mana.
Take Ur-Golem's Eye for example. It costs {4} to play, and this mana can be of any color or colorless. However, it taps to produce {2}, which is colorless mana.
So the {4} you'd get from tapping two of these artifacts would be different than the {4} one of them costs to cast.
Will we get <> in casting costs outside of Eldrazi related cards? Most likely not. Requiring colorless mana is a design space that's Eldrazi space.
Will we see cards produce <> (aka colorless) mana? Yes. Cards will no longer produce {1}, since numbers are generic costs that can be paid using any kind of mana. Lands, artifacts, and other shit will be errata'd to produce <> instead of {1}, <><> instead of {2}, etc.
Trust me- we're not going to see numbers next to <> except for Eldrazi cards.
>>43701277
Because, by his idea producing <> will be the same as adding (1) now.
And it just says <> so that players know it can pay <> costs
>mfw I've been foiling out a Kozilek list for almost a year now
Hopefully everything playable increases in price and I can sell the deck for a nice profit
>>43704206
Wizards could always just change the notation. Sol Ring costs {1} and produces <2>. I don't see the point of only doing this in one set though, unless this somehow ties in with the Devoid (see: COMPLETELY FUCKING USELESS) mechanic. Wizards changed from 3 to 2 set blocks so the good shit wasn't shoveled in right at the end, but now they've gone and shoveled the good shit right at the end like a bunch of cunts.
>>43704107
R&D as a whole was also opposed to split cards, double-faced cards, and the entire concept of a land set in the first place. In each one of those cases, Maro had to stand by his idea and push them through.
Miracles started as a mechanic that Maro tried to introduce back in Tempest. Infect was Maro bringing back poison after over a decade of fighting to find a place for it.
Groups of people are always resistant to new ideas. But rejecting it at one point and accepting it at another isn't narcissism, it's simply the way of things. Moreover, whether or not a mechanic fits properly can make it or break it. Colorless-restricted costs make sense with the Eldrazi, but would they really have made sense anywhere else?
>>43702081
They want to promote colorless without creating a situation where exceptionally powerful colorless cards can be splashed into any deck. It will also force some consideration in deck building on whether to use pain lands over fetch/tango lands if someone wanted to run some of these newer colorless cards in a colored deck. Typical lands that generate colorless mana are mostly uncommon and rare. Therefore a basic version is required for such a mana cost requirement to be successful.
>>43704206
>>43704232
However with this approach almost all nonbasic nondual lands need nonfunctional wording change for {1} to <>. Which will alienate new players almost more than anything
>>43703633
Okay, but fuck the rules on Hybrid.
If this set isn't Planar Chaos 2.0 I'm going to smack a bitch. The Eldrazi are supposed to be fucking with reality, but so far they've just been generic dudes with mana costs you'd expect non-Eldrazi to have.
>>43704249
I'm pretty sure <1> would like shit. Having colorless mana be written out individually helps differentiate it from generic mana in costs.
>>43704013
>>43704029
>Not anusmana
>>43701013
>How does the new mana symbol work?
i assume it works similar to a colorled cost, except it must be paid with colorless mana
>>43702435
Gideon's shit, though. Second least interesting of the Origins Five, only barely beating Nissa.
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