What, exactly, was this guy's hurry?
Look at it this way: You have countless planets out in the black with humans still on them from the glory days. You've decided that it's your right and duty to reunite all of humanity into a glorious, intergalactic empire.
All good so far.
You have made an alliance with techno-wizards and brought a goodly number of nearby planets into your empire. Your military might is so unmatched that you have yet to encounter a civilization that can hold out against your hundreds of billions of troops and genetically enhanced murder-machines. There is NO existential threat to your race other than distant, magical gods that you have decided not to tell anyone about ever because problems go away if you don't talk about them.
You are immortal. Your murderhobos live for centuries. Your population's ability to bump uglies is still working just fine. Your might can only grow.
Now, why the living hell was he in such a damn rush?
To get the Primarchs back?
They're immortal supermen designed to be more powerful than pretty much any foe in the galaxy, they can probably handle their shit regardless of how long you take to show. Or, if they're really that big a priority, put the damn Crusade on hold and devote a few centuries to search and rescue.
Was he afraid that the human populations outside the empire would die or be dominated by xenos?
It's been several thousand years, the worst has basically happened for them. And besides, we regularly see that any planet that isn't perfect for integration is just massacred and re-colonized.
TL;DR
Why did the Emperor have a self imposed time table/limit on his Crusade? An immortal being has zero reason to be impatient, especially after thousands of years of life.
>>43698701
yes
Did he know about the Tyranids?
>>43699539
AFAIK nobody did at that point except maybe the Silent King. Remember the main reason they came to the galaxy is the Astronomicon acting as a beacon to them as well as the astropaths.
>>43698701
>To get the Primarchs back?
Yes.
>They're immortal supermen designed to be more powerful than pretty much any foe in the galaxy, they can probably handle their shit regardless of how long you take to show.
No. A lot of the problems came from the planets they were raised on. Shit, look at Angron. What should've been the ruler of the planet was turned into a bloodthirsty berserkermonster who hated everyone because of where he landed. Just one example, mind you.
>Or, if they're really that big a priority, put the damn Crusade on hold and devote a few centuries to search and rescue.
That's pretty much what he was doing. He needed the Primarchs in place and running his armies as soon as possible because even the Emperor can't be everywhere in the galaxy at once. Remember, one of the reasons for the Imperial Webway was because warp travel was too dangerous and unpredictable for a galaxy-spanning empire to reliably use. With the Primarchs on the front lines fighting his battles for him he could devote all his time into the Webway project.
Also
>There is NO existential threat to your race other than [the chaos gods]
lol
If the webway was such a big deal why didn't he devote all his time to it in the beginning, cut a deal with the eldar, etc beforehand? Then he could have bopped around grabbing primarchs and then gone on the galactic fedora tipping spree.
>>43700284
Not saying this is fact but I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to have the millions/billions of soldiers ready to take the webway by force if need be as soon as he opened it and got it working. If that was the case, he needed more people than he could get on Earth. Maybe he needed the Primarchs to lead their armies through the webway. Once they were done pacifying the entire galaxy they would be ready to take on the Eldar on their home turf. Heck, that's probably why he was so hard on Lorgar taking his time with his planets.
Just one possible reason.
>cut a deal with the eldar
The Eldar would never trust humanity with their Webway under any circumstances.
>galactic fedora tipping spree
If we're going to act like this is /b/ I'll just call you a nigger autist and be done with it.
>>43700237
>With the Primarchs on the front lines fighting his battles for him he could devote all his time into the Webway project.
But, again, why didn't he just take a break to work on the project? A century or two of solidifying, reinforcing, and resupplying could only make the Imperium stronger. Hell, even when he censured a legion for their behavior (WE and NL spring to mind) he didn't suspend their operations. You can either put your obviously criminally insane children in charge of huge armies and vast swaths of territory, or you can be an administrator that exhibits a basic level of competence, but not both.
>>43700475
Needing infrastructure to support an army capable of invading the webway would be a worthwhile reason. I'd buy it.
But, as above, what was the rush? Why get on Lorgar's ass about being slow? Just because he was impatient?
Basically, what defined the Emperor's deadline?
Just so that I'm not some Socratic bitch, I should probably make some guesses. Wild mass guessing incoming.
If the theory that the Emperor made a deal with Chaos to create the Primarchs, what if it was some kind of Rumplestilskin situation. i.e. Emps got to keep and use the Primarchs for a set amount of time, but they would eventually be sucked into the Warp to be servants in the Great Game.
Or, and this is silly but grimdark, what if the Emperor was dying? What if creating the Primarchs took a sacrifice on his part and he had to put enough of his own power into each of them that it would eventually lead to his natural death? And the only reason he's still alive is a combination of the Golden Throne and the worship from the Imperial Cult?
>>43701633
I guess he was pissed about Lorgar because the other Legions were having to pick up the slack. The largest legions like the Dark Angles, Smurfs, Iron Warriors and Luna Wolves had to be pissed about Lorgars slow crawl while they bore the brunt of the crusade despite Lorgar having a huge legion also.
His hurry was he sensed Chaos was about to do something big that would fuck humanity over forever. Didn't realize that this vision was because of his own actions
>>43698701
He knew his power would one day fail and wanted the imperium to be as strong as possible.
>>43698701
Did he know that the population was becoming more Psyker by the century? That would imply a strict need for a time table.
>>43700237
Kekkius maximus
You rekon ANY xeno race could have challenged the legions?
Protip
>you're wrong
Tau or necron, crusade would have wrecked their fuck holes if they were around
>>43702420
Necrons vs the Great Crusade would be war in heaven mark II.
Claiming the legions would 100% win is blatantly false
>>43702442
It's true m8. The 30K imperium would have rekt the crons. Look at what a splintered and fractured 40k imperium can do, holding out against all the threats against them. If you don't think a unified Imperium with 19 primarchs and the Emperor himself couldn't fuck shit up you are wrong.
>>43702442
I disagree. It's stated frequently that at the height of the legions power no xeno could withstand them. Actually read the heresy novels and or ANY fluff regarding the crusade. Necrons are a pretty severe threat now yeah sure, now that the imperium is practically falling apart. But all the primarchs + big E against the crons? Nah m8 not a chance.
>>43702514
The Imperium are facing a splintered and fractured Necron Empire. Only a small fraction of the Necrons awoke in the 40K.
However, if the Necrons faced an existential threat from a strong enemy that can certainly wipe them out, then the Triarch Praetorian and the Silent King would start the Great Awakening and hasten it. They would break open their vaults and unleash the weapons that destroyed actual gods, Warp and material gods.
The Wars of Great Crusade and HH are nothing but faded shadows compared to the War in Heaven. Hope the Emperor is prepared to sharded into pieces and put inside pokeballs.
>>43702541
I think it's said in the fluff that the Horus Heresy made the War in Heaven look like a snowball fight
>>43702536
>. But all the primarchs + big E against the crons?
Necrons have C'tan Shards that can destroy entire worlds and superweapons that channel the energies of the cosmos and also galactic shaping toolkits.
They will break those out if needed and I don't think the Emperor is going to be happy when the Necrons start their slaughter by remotely denoting Sol.
>>43702541
Lol matt ward pls fkn leave. Chaos was always the only thing that could stop big E. The legions would have just wrecked the tomb worlds as they woke up, they never would have even gotten to full fighting power, even if they did legions would still pump the shit out of them 1v1 in the wildy.
>>43702561
Bullshit.
You are talking about a War between literal gods here, dude.
>>43702570
Nope.
Chaos was the only real threat he was facing in 30K, it doesn't mean he would have done well against other threats like Necrons and Tyranids.
Before the legions can wreck tomb worlds, they must find them first. There are millions of tomb worlds out there, far outnumbering the worlds of the Imperium.
>>43702565
Pretty sure inquisition destroy entire worlds on the regular bud. And I'm pretty sure in one of the ultramarines novels like 5 marines took down a shard of the night bringer. Gee these ctan are really scary.
does anyone have a pic like pic related but with a Spoopy space skellington for this necron faggot here?
>>43702572
>>43702565
>>43702541
>>43702572
the horus heresy was also that, but with actually marketable armies
Dude the Emperor would fucking destroy any ctan he came across. They have no psychic defenses and the Emperor is so mind blowingly OP he can probably kill a ctan with a stare.
>>43702593
>Pretty sure inquisition destroy entire worlds on the regular bud
Nope, not regularly. Only in a state of an emergency.
While some C'tan shards can wipe out planets on their own on a whim.
> 5 marines took down a shard of the night bringer.
They didn't take it down. It was a shard that had been starving for the last 60 million years. After the shard wiped the flour with the Dark Eldar, humans, and marines, Uriel threatened to collapse the caverns and lock in up again. At this point the shard left and escaped the planet.
>>43702605
Demigods at best and it wasn't a war that rocked the whole galaxy. Orks and Eldar thrived while the Imperium tore itself apart.
>>43702514
The 40k Imperium is only "holding out" because the plot doesn't advance. It's mentioned that the Imperium is on the brink of fracturing, and that's with out the imminent threats of the 13th Black Crusade, Gazkull's massive Waaagh, the Tyranids being Tyranids, God knows what the Silent King has plans, and probably more.
The 30k Imperium was strong, but it also didn't have half the threats the 40k Imperium deals with.
>>43702640
>eldar
>thrived
All the Necrons have to do to cripple the Imperium is to explode Sol. Terra would be reached to dust and with not light house to guide the Imperium, the legions wouldn't be going anywhere fast.
>>43702640
>wasnt a war that rocked the galaxy apart
>tagline is "let the galaxy burn"
>>43702649
Yeah? Iyanden and Beil-Tan were doing great at the time and established themselves as powers in the galaxy.
>>43702656
>all they have to do
You make it sound like it would be like flushing a toilet. Provide actual proof they even could target Terra.
>>43702668
They've already been in the Sol system. Jumped in out of nowhere.
>>43702657
But it didn't burn. The Necrons, Eldar, Orks all watched it unfold from the relative safety of their strongholds. Nobody outside humanity (And the Eldar who got involved), cared about what's happening.
Also the Necrons have foreseen the Horus Hersey 60 millions years ago. The Silent King and his pal Orikan were aware of it before it happened.
He wanted all of Mankind united and under the rule of "no religion" as quickly as possible. He wanted all aggressive aliens power removed. He wanted order, control and technological progress.
1. He wanted any potential wars between humans and xenos ended. Without it, there is less power for Khorne.
2. He wanted control and order, if nothing major changed, Tzeentch would get less power.
3. He wanted technological progress so plague and disease was wiped out. Nurgle would lose power.
4. He wanted control and order, which in turn would mean isolated planets wouldn't go into excess and power Slaanesh. If somebody is constantly looking over your shoulder, it'd mean no chance to fuck about.
However, the Emperor also needed the Webway made usable. Weakening Chaos was one thing, but he planned to destroy them, Chaos itself tells Horus that the Emperor is burning and hurting them. Emperor needed the Warp until the Webway was done. If Chaos died, no Warp, no Warp travel, no way to keep shit in order. So webway was more important than killing Chaos at the time.
He was in a rush because Emperor was able to see the future. When the Horus Heresy starts, in his "time-line mind" he doesn't see the future, he sees a solid black wall, pure darkness, blocking everything beyond it. In short, he knew something major was going to happen then, which is why he wasn't shocked when Magnus sent him the message and was more mad that Magnus had blown the Webway up. In fact, Emperor screams "DAMN MAGNUS THE RED" when ti happens.
At this point, he doesn't have his prescience, so he didn't know Magnus was going to do that. He DID know that something involving Chaos was going to happen, just not what exactly.
So, that's why he was in a rush, he had no idea how long he had nor did he know what the future held as soon as HH started. He was blindsided. He was fucked. So he rushed to do shit.
>>43702663
>entire eldar empire swallowed into a gaping asshole of nope like 200 years before the HH
>thriving
>>43702678
and got promptly blowned up
>>43702668
The Celestial Orrey or any star destroying weapon of Mephrit. Google it.
>Triarch Praetorian : By the will of the Silent King, we demand that this sun be extinguished for the glory of all Necrontyr
>Royal Court of Thanatos : Okay
>A cryptek then sweeps off Sol from the Celestial Orrey
>Sol explodes
>>43702663
>entire race whos future is destined to be raped by slaanesh for all eternity
>powerful ever
>>43702704
The defenses of Sol couldn't touch those 3-6 scout ships until they made a full stop in Mars atmosphere directly about the Noctis labyrinth.
>>43702695
Then the survivors thrived and prospered.
>>43702685
So the Chaos gods were Ozymandius and the Emperor was Dr. Manhattan and the Primarchs were the tachyeons?
>>43702678
Necrons have no desire to kill humans yet. They know they're fighting Chaos and they want Chaos gone more than humans dead. Humans are weak, Chaos isn't. Chaos is more of a threat to them than the Imperium. So doing that would be silly. When Chaos is defeated, sure.
>>43702723
Eh, not really. Ozymandius did something bad to save shit. Tentacle Monsters from SPAAACE. Chaos just wanted Emperor to stop killing them, so made Horus and Co into their bitches. In the end, it only half worked. Emperor was stopped from physically helping, but he still exists in the Warp. He's now being powered by worship and sacrifices. He's had 10,000 years of XP grinding. So, Chaos hasn't ended up being super powered by quirk of fate. But still enough to cause shit loads of damage.
Abaddon just wants to end what his boyfriend started cause he's autistic.
Also didn't it state somewhere that Chaos pulled their support to Abaddon in his 12 Black Crusades so he didn't succeed and destroy humanity, cause humanity is a great source of power for them? But they're now worried Abaddon will destroy Terra and the Imperium even without their help?
>>43702721
how the fuck do you consider the eldar prospering in either 30k or 40k? like seriously? they are the galaxy's version of a fucking black rhino
>>43702710
Even if sol being gone. Rowboet gurlman would just rally at mcrag EXACTLY like they did during the heresy. And the crusade would go on and on. It's stated they hesitate to use the orray cause it causes cataclysmic fuck chain reactions, so they would have to put out every star near every imperial world to stop the legions boot.
>>43702751
Not him, but if you consider Eldar as a race, instead of army factions, they are indeed "propsering". Dark Eldar don't die. Well, they do, but they come back as clones. Pretty much every Dark Eldar has a clone pop out when they die, which is why you're always nice to the Haeomculus(?) Cults.
Plus the fact that sex, drink and drugs are par the course for DE, then it means lots of kids coming out.
Exodite Eldar are also increasing in number, slower than Dark Eldar, but still increasing. Mainly cause they're hidden.
Craftworld Eldar are the only ones struggling cause they see diverging from the Paths as bad. But, the non-main Craftworlds must be avoiding fighting and increasing populations.
Sure, it isn't the trillions of Eldar pre-Fall, but they're still doing well.
Fun fact: Phill Kelly says that Commograth is full of "Eldar Hybrids". Essentially, Half-Eldar are still canon. Hurrah!
>>43702751
Just read the Iyanden supp.
>>43702758
They don't need to blow up every star. Only any star which has a warp lighthouse on one of its planets.
The Necrons have the Webway which would give them better mobility while the Imperium space travel would slow to a crawl and risk extreme danger in the Warp.
>Maccrage
You mean the system that is floating above an ocean of sleeping Necrons? One of those dynasties near Ultramar is a dynasty known for creating and housing superweapons.
What a good idea!
>>43702751
>>43702758
Just realised I was supporting Carnac. My bad. Sorry guys. Ignore>>43702791 bar the fun fact at the bottom.
>>43702794
I think Robert could easily make a deal with crons just like during Crusade.
>>43702808
Ignore it indeed because it was full of inaccuracies. Not all Dark Eldar have "clones" Only the rich one do.
And they don't clone. They regenerate back from a single piece o flesh.
Exodites follow a strict no fun policy and their numbers are limited, like the craftworlds, by the number of soulstones they had on them.
Counter Eldar lies, whenever you can people!
>>43702831
Dark eldar mass produce babies by vat growing.
He waited for almost 40 millenia.
But the Age of Strife fucked up humanity. Planets were left alone, aliens and AI were fucking them up alongside minor Chaos problems coming alongside the emerging psykers.
He realized that humanity left in such a state could fuck up. The psychic evolution was happening too slow and Chaos was becoming a much bigger problem than before. So he quickly had to unite humanity under his banner. This would make protection from outside threats much easier. By suppressing religion he would weaken the Chaos gods and at the same time, building the human version of the Webway, thus not relying anymore on the Warp to travel, would make it easier to humanity achieve it's psychic potential without the Chaos threat.
>>43702794
And again, ultramarines are dealing with the crons as they come and they are only a single chapter of 1,000, unsupported by their primarch. Had the necrons risen during the crusade they the same amount of them would have woken up with 1,000,000 ultras surrounding them. So get every fluff fight so far between ultramarines and necrons. Then add 100 more chapters of marines plus their super genius father and how do those battle change? Simple math says necrons go down
>>43702791
Only the rich get resurrected. They don't get cloned. And having an actual kid is something that only the strongest and richest DE do.
And your Half Eldar thing is bullshit. Nothing in there implies that they are actual hybrids. It's much more likely that they are just experiments that are used in the arenas. Nothing on alien-human hybrids has been mentioned after the half-Eldar astropath. The only official hybrid was Typhus. But in some HH short story his story was retconned. He is now a Terran that joined the Death Guard before Mortarion took over, so it's impossible that he is a hybrid.
>>43702908
>. But in some HH short story his story was retconned. He is now a Terran that joined the Death Guard before Mortarion took over, so it's impossible that he is a hybrid.
Source?
>>43702831
Wrong. Read 6th. It specifically says that guys who go on raids make deals before they go to secure being reborn. You really think Dark Eldar are going to risk dying and being raped for Eternity? Fuck no. They agree a price with them and go for it. It might simply be to capture specimens to work on, or specific materials or something.
Read it. If Dark Eldar 'clones' were limited to the rich, none would ever agree to go on raids.
>Hey, come join me on a Realspace raid!
>But what if I die?
>Oh, you'll be raped for all eternity by Slaanesh :^)
>Err, no thanks.
>Exodites are limited
Source. And actually show me the page, don't just go "r-r-read this book!". Your headcanon fanwank does not count.
>>43702854
Partially true. As soon as a female Eldar knows she is pregnant, she goes to the Haeomculus who then remove it from her and shove it in a gestation tube which rapidly increases it's development. They might fiddle with the genetic code for giggles, or they might make them better, stronger, faster, if paid enough or the female is influential enough. Means they're able to get new stuff quickly, but they're still bound to end up as Slaanesh onaholes.
>>43702908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLz6bTitUQE
Official GW employees go "Commograth is full of Eldar Hybrids".
I trust them more than I trust an anon on a Nepalese Etch-a-sketch forum.
>Hybrid
>the offspring of two plants or animals of different species or varieties, such as a mule.
>n-n-no! that doesn't mean what it means!
>>43702922
>Read it. If Dark Eldar 'clones' were limited to the rich, none would ever agree to go on raids.
I knew would go that route.
Who do think pays for the Kabalites to get reborn anew? The Archon or those of the Kabalites who gathered enough cash to pay for themselves.
The majority of the Dark Eldar are fucked.
>Source. And actually show me the page, don't just go "r-r-read this book!".
Soulstones. Limited by soulstones.
You think Eldar would bring a child into this galaxy and risk it being in danger mof falling to Slaanesh?
>>43702942
Don't be an idiot. Mad scientists can create hybrids by splicing genes into a test subject.
In the Path series, a Corasir lady went to Dark Eldar to have her baby spliced with reptilian DNA.
>>43702908
>The only official hybrid was Typhus
He is goddamn mutant from Barbarus, the Nurgle's dipshit dumpster. Nothing says that he had any relation to eldar.
And there is human-eldar corsair bitch from Chapter's Due, and some Necromunda local batman.
>>43702961
>And there is human-eldar corsair bitch from Chapter's Due
Rumored, dude.
>>43698701
see IRL empires: it all turns to shit as soon as you turn your back.
traditionally the reason to fuck up your neighbors is to give the bloodthirsty rabble a target that isn't themselves. sure he's divinely convincing, probably has some kind of literal brainwash tech and enemies that are actually malicious and evil but on some level this probably still applies.
>>43702916
The Lion. But looking at the wiki, it might actually not be a retcon. Guess we'll have to get his background story.
>Additionally, Typhon/Typhus was originally said to have been born on Barbarus[3], but The Lion mentions that he had practiced as a Librarian in the Dusk Raiders Legion, before Mortarion assumed control and renamed it the Death Guard.[5] This implies that he may have been born elsewhere, perhaps on Terra. However, the short story Daemonology mentions that Mortarion spent an unspecified length of time on Terra between being rediscovered by the Emperor and assuming command.[13] It is possible that Typhon/Typhus was recruited from Barbarus and inducted into the Legion's Librarius during this period, although this would require Mortarion to have been on Terra for several years (considering the amount of time required to create a Space Marine).
>>43702942
>probably
And again, it still makes more sense to me that they are just genetic experiments. He would probably explain it as actual hybrids.
>>43702961
But the aliens on Barbarus are hinted to be some Dark Eldar aliens,aren't they?
The corsair is only rumored and Necromunda fluff is outdated.
>>43702628
Because he had such an easy time of it with the Void Dragon, right? Which was just a shard, I'll remind you.
Seriously m8, I love Big E just as much as the next man but at the end of the day, he was still mortal like the rest of us.
Since this thread was derailed into Eldar wankery, then ask some questions.
Craftworlds and exodites require soulstones and strict regime to ward off the influences of Slanny and xir soul drain. However, when they attract the attention of the Slaanesh, the results are usually catastrophic (see Corsair psychic table).
The Dark Eldar, on the other hand, do nothing to hide themselves from Slaanesh's attraction. They do as they want. Other than the soul drain, they don't suffer as greatly as the Craftworlders/exodites when they attract the attention of Slaanesh.
Is there a reason for this or is it just poorly written fluff?
>>43702997
>But the aliens on Barbarus are hinted to be some Dark Eldar aliens,aren't they?
Where? I would believe in Guilliman fucking Jain Zar and ultramarines custom of mating with eldar than that.
>>43703023
>Because he had such an easy time of it with the Void Dragon, right? Which was just a shard, I'll remind you.
The Shard was wounded by its kin and was starving nearly to death when the Emperor found it, mind you.
>>43702590
>There are millions of tomb worlds out there, far outnumbering the worlds of the Imperium.
>[citation needed]
>>43703186
Necron 5th ED codex says there are millions of tomb worlds (The Tombs without number paragraph).
The Imperium was stated to be an empire of, more or less, a million worlds.
I'm so fucking tired of Necron and Tyranid wank.
>>43703200
Most of tombs didn't survived during sleep, eldar, daemons and natural causes destroyed most of them.
>>43702514
>>43702442
Full fleet of Nidz or the Crons could destroy the Imperium. Two splinter fleets, fragments of a tiny piece of the puzzle, were able to tear through nearly original legion size space marine operations. Plus, if even one Primarch dies, it's game over for the Imperium.
Crons number nearly as many as the Nidz and have, at this point, killed or enslaved two go races and whipped the Orkz forebearers so hard they became the Orkz while also beating the Eldar Empire, another civilisation which could have really tested the Imperium.
>>43703211
>most
What? Don't bullshit. The codex though many tombs were destroyed by the aeons of slumber, but many more endured.
The 7th ED codex says that should the Necrons fully awaken, then the Imperium would face a foe that was as numerous as they are.
>>43703356
SHOULD they awaken. That's a big should. Identical to SHOULD the emperor win his great crusade, SHOULD the orks unite under one WAAGH, SHOULD the tau be left unfucked for another thousand years, ect ect.
It's a big SHOULD
In the end chaos will win. Chaos always wins. Chaos is outside of time and space. Chaos have already won. Just like in fantasy, the gods will get bored, wipe the table clean and start again.
>>43703590
what does that have to do with anything? The point of the whole line of argument is how many Necron Tomb worlds have survived the aeons and made it to 40K, not if they will awaken or not.
The point is that millions of tomb worlds are around in the galaxy ready to spill their necrons in the galaxy. There is enough sleeping Necrons now to match the whole population of the Imperium
>>43703610
The point was that if they began to awaken during the crusade the legions would have beaten their asses. It doesn't matter how many there are if they all wake up one at a time, which they are currently doing now, they would have had their balls rocked into the abyss. They can have 1 tomb world or a million, it means nothing the second the first one opened up they would have been hunted to extinction like every other xenos race at the time
>>43703665
Follow the line of the posts argument, dweep.
The guy asked for citation about the number of Necron worlds, then I gave him. Then he said that most of them were destroyed, then I pointed out that he is wrong. You are one lost noodle.
>>43702721
>thrived and prospered.
You do realize that Craftworld Eldar are basically space elf versions of the crazy survivalists working with technology that's absolute shit compared with what was available before the Fall right?
>>43698701
Makes for a better story.
>>43702561
Said where, your fanfic?
TWIN had exploding suns and Gods invading the Warp to fight other gods
Meanwhile Sangy gets his shit slapped by a Bloodblooder and thinks he's hard when he beats in it a rematch
>>43702946
DEldar don't use soulstones like CEldar do son
>>43705240
He means prospered relative to the immediate past, not relative to before the fall. I don't know why no one in this thread seems to get this.
>>43706153
Amazing how being vague can lead to misunderstandings.
>>43702628
Imagine a Ctan that looks something similar to a bear. Now imagine Emps taking a form of a bearded guy in leather clothes staring at that bear.
>>43702723
And the ass was fat.
>>43702682
I mean, if Orikan is involved in something you know that it's going to go the Necrons way.
He has almost complete temporal mastery. If the Emperor existing was such a major flaw to the Necrons, they would have blown up Earth before mammals even evolved more than raccoons.
>>43702724
>Necrons have no desire to kill humans yet. They know they're fighting Chaos and they want Chaos gone more than humans dead.
Not really though.
The Necrons seem to have little idea about Chaos, and their efforts seem mostly directed against the Tyranids.
>>43702747
>Also didn't it state somewhere that Chaos pulled their support to Abaddon in his 12 Black Crusades so he didn't succeed and destroy humanity, cause humanity is a great source of power for them?
No.
Chaos wants to destroy the galaxy.
Abaddon wants to rule it.
>>43698701
As people said here before, he needed to fill the power gap, find his boys and get them fighting the war so his plate was cleared to make a human Webway. The next big thing was to get humanity's psychic issues working on while putting the finishing touches on the Imperium. After that he'd probably get out a bottle of wine he's been saving since the 1600s to drink.
>>43698701
Finding his sons before chaos does
>>43702922
Pretty sure it's only the higher-ranking Dark Eldar that can afford to be reborn. The reason why lower-ranking Dark Eldar go on raids is for the sheer excitement, and being on a raid is a very prestigious thing. They enjoy being at risk of death and being captured by Slaanesh.
It's like speeding on a motorcycle without a helmet. Except, instead of being sent to the hospital, you're horribly tortured for eternity.
Dark Eldar LIVE for extreme risk.
>>43707939
Got it. Now what?
>>43709539
I can buy that, but if I recall correctly didn't it take him only a couple hundred years to make the Primarchs in the first place? Why not just take the lumps, chalk them up as a practice run, and place proper wards next time? Was a couple centuries make or break for a 10,000 year old dude?
>>43709573
Out of any of the theories I've seen so far, this is my favorite. It hammers home that while the Emperor was the pinnacle of humanity in every way, he was still human. The anguish of a bereaved parent was the one thing he couldn't bear. Kind of a Grecian tragic character then.
>>43715204
>but if I recall correctly didn't it take him only a couple hundred years to make the Primarchs in the first place?
I have no clue if that was the case. There's no details on how long it took him to make his boys.
>Why not just take the lumps, chalk them up as a practice run, and place proper wards next time
He could have made more primarchs if he had the time. Time was wasting away every time he lolly gagged.
>Was a couple centuries make or break for a 10,000 year old dude?
Fluff says his life nearly extends to 58,000 years but time was running out.
>>43702685
>If Chaos died, no Warp
u wot?
>>43703026
I though the DE pretty much banned all psychic power usage specifically to hide from Slutnesh.
>>43703590
AoS pls go
>>43716040
They did.
>>43705537
I think he was talking about exodites.
>>43702685
>1. He wanted any potential wars between humans and xenos ended.
LMAO
>>43715566
A: Nice dubs. Consecutive even. Shit.
B:
>He could have made more primarchs if he had the time. Time was wasting away every time he lolly gagged.
>Fluff says his life nearly extends to 58,000 years but time was running out.
Time was running out for what? If Chaos was the issue then why did he stand back and allow it to feed on the violence and insanity of the Age of Strife before bothering to lift a finger? For that matter, how did he think that massacring non-compliant humans (not Chaos tainted, just not willing to follow him), committing genocide on a galactic scale, and boring a hole to Hell (in his office closet no less) was ever going to do anything but help the entities that feed on blood, despair, and who cannot manifest in the physical realm without a HOLE TO ENTER THROUGH!
Hubris is one thing, but that's just drooling retardation.
Alternatively, if Chaos wasn't the issue, then what? And why did he never, EVER, tell any of his closest advisors (including his own sons) even the merest inkling of what is going on? A theory I've been kicking around is that he somehow sensed a threat that transcended Chaos in urgency and that was too horrific/alien for even his sons to understand. Something like whatever it is that the Tyranids are (maybe) running from.
>He was in a rush because Emperor was able to see the future. When the Horus Heresy starts, in his "time-line mind" he doesn't see the future, he sees a solid black wall, pure darkness, blocking everything beyond it.
I'm going to take you through two though processes:
1. I can't see anything past this point in time/space/whatever. Maybe there's something in the way or I'm not looking at it right.
2. I can't see past a certain point in time/space/whatever. Therefor, nothing exists beyond that point.
One of these is the thought process of an adult, the other is the thought process of an infant.
>>43702420
That one ork.
>>43702695
Holy shitting fucknuggets. I never realized the timeline on when the Fall of the Eldar occurred. I had always assumed that it was eons after the War in Heaven, but tens of thousands of years before humanity even developed civilizations (thus providing fuel for their myths).
Now it's obvious why he moved when he did and was in such a hurry. He saw that the galactic empire that could/would have snuffed out any human attempt to dominate the galaxy had fallen, leaving a power vacuum. He knew that if he didn't move fast as HELL some other xenos race would claim the Eldar's place before mankind.
He saw that Chaos had just become exponentially more powerful with the addition of Prince Fondles to their ranks.
He knew that mankind can resist despair, rage, and change, but not temptation. And with psykers becoming more commonplace that was going to be a big problem. Also that means his sons, all psychically powered, were also outside his protection and susceptible to Her Diddlyness.
Not your intent, but you answered my question.
>>43716119
Well, technically that's true, in the sense that he wanted all the xenos dead as fast as possible.
>>43719875
Chaos was getting stronk and he wanted that to be cut out. He wanted to spread as much Order as possible.
