How strong can a d20 monk get?
Monk power levels for post-3.X D&D editions:
4e monk > 3.5 monk with unarmed damage size stacking > Path of War monk of the Silver Fist > 13th Age monk > 5e monk > Pathfinder monk unchained > regular Pathfinder monk > regular 3.5 monk
>>43636971
anywhere from 29 to 45
>>43636981
I'd say 4e monk would be a little lower, but otherwise i agree.
>>43636971
d20 strong.
>>43636971
dat bulma
>>43636971
I want to fuck that Vegeta.
>>43636996
The monks of 4e have their own internal "power levels."
The Iron Soul monk is easily the most efficacious of the monks due to having Constitution as a secondary score, an unconditional +1 bonus to AC, and the ability to prevent enemies from shifting. The lattermost benefit locks down enemies adjacent to the monk, thereby keeping them targetable by close attacks such as Five Storms, and also allowing the Iron Soul monk to make use of their naturally high AC (with Unarmored Agility) and Constitution.
The Desert Wind monk is a good runner-up to the Iron Soul monk, but only due to its ability to gain a quick burst of damage via its Blistering Flourish at-will, which increases the damage of Desert Wind Flurry of Blows due to the Rules Compendium's definition of "attack." However, such a monk instantaneously becomes near-worthless when faced with any enemies with fire resistance, such as all demons (variable resistance) and all devils. Charisma is a reasonably useful ability score.
The Centered Breath monk comes third. Sliding enemies with a flurry is always useful, particularly with the Deadly Draw feat. Wisdom is a very useful ability score to have. This is the "middle of the pack" monk build.
Far, far below the Centered Breath monk are the Eternal Tide and Stone Fist monks, both of which are coincidentally Strength-based. Strength is not an especially useful ability score since it only really affects Athletics checks in practice. Which one is worth depends on your level. At heroic, Eternal Tide is worse than Stone Fist since it deals the lowest damage and you will wind up trying to "pull" an enemy already adjacent to you, but at paragon and epic, it is better than Stone Fist because it can cluster up enemies for close attacks and trigger Deadly Draw. It is still not very good, however. Stone Fist's problem comes from its base flurry being nothing more than 3 + Strength modifier damage, which makes it dreck compared to other flurries in the long term.
>>43637136
Playing a Desert Wind Monk currently is a damn lot of fun due to the wonders of Blistering Flourish.
Seriously, that power is utterly fantastic as long as the enemy isn't fire resistant (And the GM has approved a monk and thus Dex version of Burn Everything to help with the fact that fire is so commonly resisted.)
Still, pulling off: Blistering Flourish + Rain of Hammers Ki Focus Power for a second Blistering Flourish + Action Point + Bonus attack from a Bravado Warlord + FOB one round...that was Glorious.
I do, however, get very little use out of most of my Encounter Powers when Blistering Flourish exists as I'd rather keep the Blistering Flourish combo going than bring out an encounter most of the time.
>>43636971
Might be better off playing HERO where there's a legitimately good system for punching people.
>>43636981
>5E monk so low
Depends on how this scale is measured.
In terms of "utility for the game", Open Hand Monks are among the best endgame damage dealers, right behind well equipped Fighters.
>>43637201
In a weekly 4e game I am a player in, one of our four characters (I had essentially built every other player's character) is a pixie Desert Wind monk.She is ironically a Winter Court fey under the archfey who created the Shards of Uralinda. For whatever reason, the GM was deeply flustered over Blistering Flourish being compatible with Desert Wind Flurry of Blows to the point wherein they had house ruled that they were not, in fact, compatible. Thus, the pixie monk in question keeps to Five Storms and Dragon's Tail.
The GM was also highly perturbed by someone's usage of the Stay Back level 2 Dungeoneering skill power to impose a -2 penalty on attack rolls on all enemies in a wide radius, even when such a thing was trivial in the grand scale of things.
This same GM, of course, is oddly fine with every other trick we are pulling with our builds. I do not understand this GM's logic.
>>43637240
>endgame in 5e
Irrelevant.
![62921[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hSk7WYP.jpg "62921[1].jpg")
>>43636971
Muscle Wizards are pretty stronk.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Muscle_Wizard
>>43638313
I'm so sick of this meme
>>43636981
>>pathfinder under regular 3.5 monk
why?
pf monks can get a hold of a lot of decent feats and spells that support damage.
>>43636971
Shit was so cash.txt
>>43636981
I'm surprised 5e monk rates so low. A level 20 Open Hand monk has a save-or-suck that inflicts 10d10 damage on a *successful* save, and all five paths, even the shitty Four Ways path, make you one of the hardest things in the game to kill.
>>43636971
Gotta source for that pic OP?
I'd do it myself but I'm on my phone.
>>43639678
I guess PF monk is lower than 3.5 monk because the disparity between casters and martials is even worse.
>>43637053
>>43637069
Both look fuckable. Very sexy.
>>43639909
>level 20
Irrelevant.
>>43636971
Monk/Psychic Warrior with tashalatora feat
Monk/Urpriest/Sacred Fist
You can't go beyond that with monk, and even by D&D standards, those are tier3
>>43639909
1. It's a 17th level feature
2. Only a 1% of people plays beyond 12th level
Give Monks the ability to blow up universes at 20th level and wouldn't make a difference
>>43640582
A D&D 3.5 "monk" can certainly be a tier 2 character as a monk 1/psion X with the Tashalatora feat and either the Carmendine Monk feat or the Kung Fu Genius feat, but that would be less of a monk and more of a psion. Of course, the same applies to a monk/psychic warrior Tashalatora.I must be one of the very few persons familiar with Eberron who appreciates precisely what the Tashalatora feat is named for.
Vegeta isn't a monk, he's a Psychic Warrior.
Monks are fine and all, but. Is it possible to make other punchy character? I want to have a grappling/punching fighter or something else, paladin maybe. Just.. Not monk.
I don't mind monks in their own right, they're baller, but not the sort of baller I am looking for.
Asking this mostly for 5e, but other systems will do. If not, I'll resort to fluffing a monk to being actually typical brawler than the calmness of mind and what not.
>>43640655
Psychic warrior/Monk is more monk than Psion/Monk, because Psychic warrior is half martial while Psion is full caster.
>>43640676
A Battlemaster fighter with tavern brawler feels more martial artsy than a monk imo, haves more attacks, has maneuvers, can grapple/trip, etc.
>>43640725
But a Psion can turn into a hydra and Monk with nine heads. Are you really gonna tell the monster with nine heads that can swallow a man whole and who warp reality with his mind that he's not whoever he says he is?
>>43637278
To be fair, a LOT of late-in-4e's-run rulings were weird, and obviously against the original design intent of 4e as a whole, and considering an auto-hit striker-class-feature as an "attack" for damage stacking, much less self-damage-stacking is obviously one of them. Generally, if it's from essentials erra, we play RAIBM (rules as intended before Mearls.) Another perfect example is the nerf to melee training, which served absolutely no purpose but to prevent some dumb essentials built from getting a little better (dex primary slayer with melee training.) In my games, everyone gets a pre-errata melee training (or if they're a strength class, any other "essential but not fun" feat they can argue is equivalent) for free by virtue of being a hero.
But I digress, the blistering flourish's being ruled to trigger off of an auto-hit-class-feature that triggers off of itself obviously defeats the point of it being a triggered effect.
Also.... Flurry of blows clearly does not have the attack keyword, it has the feature keyword.
However, you have to be the same with all other post-essentials-ruilings-started-to-get-stupid builds, not just the fire-monk.
>>43636971
They're extremely situational, BUT, with Improved Grapple/Trip/Disarm, you can be an absolute ASSHOLE in shutting down other characters.
I was in a fight last week with my Monk. The enemy had some kind of teleporting Iajutsu Master who could go invisible, make bluff checks, and land +MEGADAMAGE whilst invisible...
But I had Blind Fight (shut down her invisibility hard,) and Improved Disarm. Took the greatsword away from her, basically reduced her to getting angry and firing Scorching Rays. I also took her Cleric pal's Holy Symbol. He got off precisely TWO spells that fight that WAS NOT "Call Holy Symbol," and that was a Cure Serious on himself, and a Haste on himself after the teleporting bitch took a ready action to hand him HER holy symbol after I'd already used my actions for the round.
Monks are absolutely fan-fucking-tastic when you're fighting humanoid characters who are not built SPECIFICALLY not to be shut down by Monks. Wizard? Take his spell components pouch off his person and start calling out when the DM tries to cast a spell that has a material component. Cleric? Take his holy symbol. Martial warriors? Take their weapons. Practically anybody? Grapple them, trip them, or trip and them grapple them.
Psions? lol no get shrekt. Anybody with Still Spell/Eschew Material Components/who prepared Call Holy Symbol? Get shrekt. Monsters who don't need any kind of equipment? Probably shrekt unless they're Small so you can grapple them easily. Clerics who had the foresight to have their holy symbol built into their armor or clothes/tattooed on their skin? Get shrekt.
>Not really comparable to the others tier:
Any 4e Monk
>Super Saiyan 2 Tier
Open Hand monk
>Situational Tier:
Long Death monk
Shadow monk
Sun Soul monk
>Mortal Tier:
4 Elements monk
>Paraplegic Monkey Tier
3.PF Monk
>>43639921
Here you go: http://sakimichan.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=0
>>43640655
>I must be one of the very few persons familiar with Eberron who appreciates precisely what the Tashalatora feat is named for.
and what's that?
>>43643787
Oh my.
>>43636971
I was gonna comment about how Bulma is actually TALLER than Vegeta, but looking back:
Toriyama has changed Vegeta's height almost 5 times- 7 if you count him changing his height for each movie he's done recently.
So never mind.
>>43645914
Clearly the image was done at some point when Vegeta was taller.
What are their heights currently, anyway?
>>43643787
>fantastic art
>sexy women AND men
where has this been all my life
>>43646168
I have a severe conflict right now. On one hand: That Rainbow Dash picture would look fucking fantastic for a shadowrun character. On the other: It's expressly a pony picture.
>>43640676
there's a punchy fighter in 4e
it's fucking fun
>>43636971
Infinite STR with Cancer Mage + Festering Anger, but the Monk part is unrelated.
>>43646427
Brawler Fighter is kinda Fantastic.
It's not quite as group lockdown as a fighter normally is but you get to go 'That fucker? he's going nowhere forever' very well and your damage is far from bad.
My favorite version is if you take Blood Knight (Vampire) as your Multiclass and turn into Gods and Monsters Batman.
>>43636971
Wasn't Vegeta shorter than Bulma?
>>43646335
Bro, do you even Photoshop?
>>43646865
I do not, in fact. I have like zero talent for it.
Hey guys how do I roll a Kenshiro monk
>>43643787
Ugh.
Artist is good right until the clothes come off. It's hilarious how a woman doesn't know how vaginas work. Or where they even are. I could get her not knowing male anatomy well- but you'd think she'd know of all people that vaginas aren't located on the stomach.
>>43646946
In 5e he's a 17th level Open Hand Monk
>FoB + Quivering Palm
Omae wa mo shindeiru
>>43646951
By the same token, almost every artist ever should be an expert on most any part of anatomy. We have anatomy. Most artists have two hands and two feet, all of which they know and use, so that should imply they're really goot at drawing those, no matter what.
And yet, it's not that simple at all, is it?
>>43646917
Literally just crop the fucking tatts out.
BOOM!
>>43646974
No, no he isn't.
5e isn't really intended for those kinds of power levels. He's well beyond anything written down.
>>43646974
>>43647071
I mean how do I Kenshiro with out the ridiculous power level. Obviously I couldn't be true to the character in regards to his instagib abilities, I'd get kicked from the session.
However, I want to know what you guys think would be the best compromise for he could do in game ability wise. Any thoughts?
>>43647007
Anybody who has looked at porn knows that vaginas do not got on the stomach anon. Or dicks for that matter (which she's done as well). I mean it's not really rocket science to understand that genitals are anchored to the bottom-front for the pelvis.
>>43647128
*of
>>43646335
So what? Make a Shadowrunner who just fucking loves her some My Little Pony, and will fuck your shit up hard if you give her any shit about loving My Little Pony.
>>43647128
Anybody that's looked at their own hands knows that they're not supposed to be fucked up pieces of meat with sausages stuck to them, and yet many people sturggle to do hands well.
Drawing's more than just reconstructing things you've seen. It's about actually understanding structure and how things work, and that can be very hard and require a lot of work. And if you don't care to actually improve, it's very easy to get stuck on doing some really amateurish mistake over and over again.
The artist in question is obviously doing a very formulaic subject with a very formulaic style, to the point that I'd wager she's drawing more or less on autopilot half the time. Her style's something that's easy to make look half decent to people, even if there's no "soul" in it, so to speak. So just churn it out, keep doing what you've done to this point with slight changes.
Anyway, drawing's a piece of shit, and anyone who's done it to any degree knows how aggravating it can be to keep drawing something and see that it's wrong, and yet not really understand how you'd fix it. There's a kind of abstract nature to drawing, learning how to properly convey an actual, real thing with symbols, and that takes time even when you're not stuck churning out the same thing over and over again.
>>43643787
Oh wow, this girl makes fucking bank of her art. Over $800,000 a year from Patreon alone? How do you even get that popular?
>>43636971
Over 9,000
>>43647272
Oh, wait. For some reason I thought the Patreon was $32,000 every two weeks. It's still huge though, $650,000.
>>43647272
Patreon's a cancer where basically anybody with half-shitty art skills and a fanbase can get free money and coast the fuck out of life.
I mean, you should see the kind of terrible furry artists that actually make a living off of Patreon. Shit's terrible.
>>43647272
Stupid people like really shitty soft porn?
>>43647272
It's part of what >>43647250 mentioned. She's churning out art - most of it very formulaic and similar. (Hell the first comment on her gallery is that she never draws anything from the waist down.)
And like ... 90% of it is fanart.
>>43647297
Providing a service to paying customers is hardly free money.
>>43647297
Patreon ain't the first place people have been able to earn a living doing mediocre work, but it's certainly the most recent and most broad in terms of genres.
And in defense of furries - there's a group of people who are ready, willing, and able to support any sort of artist. I've been able to keep my goddamn lights on because furries are so eager to support commission artists when dA and tumblr wrinkle their red button noses at me and complain my prices are too high.
>>43647335
It is when it boils down to "I will keep doing the same mediocre thing I've been doing until now, but sometimes even slower, and now you need to pay me for it."
I don't begrudge the general concept of Patreon. I recognize that artists (and other people in need of Patreon) often have a shitty time actually making a living and getting respect for what they do, and it's great that there's now ways to work around this. I begrudge the type of artist I'm actually talking about. The one who's really not on a professional level, yet has managed to amass a fanbase and now goes to milk it for money, knowing that they will pay and not really ever demand any actual quality or improvement.
For example, you'd be fucking surprised how many artists are making big dosh out of really mediocre art that's hitting the right fetish demographic, especially in the furry community. There's a ridiculous amount of people willing to pay big bucks for terrible work.
So ultimately, I guess I'm actually begrudging the people who enable these people. It twists and perverts the whole system from being something that enables professional artists and content creators to devote themselves to their work into something that encourages mediocrity and milking your blindly loyal fans.
>>43646951
I mean usually these equal op porn/pinup artists are pretty bi, but maybe she isn't and just hasn't seen a lot of vag that wasn't her own.
>>43647233
That would be pretty hilarious.
Especially if they are the team Street Sam.
>>43646335
Shadowrun really is crazy with its undercuts and shit.
>>43647642
Yeah but at least she could put dicks we're they're supposed to be. I'm male and last time I took a look in the mirror my pecker wasn't attached to my stomach.
>>43648490
In general the genitals are just too far up on both models.
>>43646335
All you really need to do is recolour the top two cuts in the hair a bit. And maybe change the tattoos to be more occult.
