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Arms and armours thread: polearm edition!
I personally would be interested in any kind of polearms from between 1510-1530
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Reminder that a polearm with only a head is incomplete
>>43622509
is that really something that people need to be reminded?
>>43622909
hey KM, which one of these polearms that are in the thread would be the "safest" for doing hema stuff? Obviously dulling the points and all that
>>43623014
Putting HEMA, polearm and safe in the same sentence and we're looking at something like this, with a lot of protection, and avoiding going anywhere near full speed for sparring.
With a steel head, well, you're doing solo exercises or two person "kata".
>>43623072
hence I said "safe" because obviously it will never be safe. I'm just trying to figure out which one has the least probability to kill every children in a 5 block radius if I leave it unattended
>>43622224
I thought that was the Black Knight Halberd at first glance.
>>43623119
My guess is that extending points is the biggest issue, or at least the one that something can be done about.
>>43623280
yep, and sadly that means the profiles of the cutting part like these >>43621431 are out of question, even if it IS awesome.
Although this >>43621378 MIGHT be doable just have to dull out the pointy parts, and make the stabby hook a little safer. Also probably cutting back on the primary pointy too
>>43623014
Safe sparring polearms don't actually resemble any real weapons, they look more like 2 buttplugs on a stick, like KM so nicely illustrated.
>>43623072
Does anybody have any pictures or drawings of Gendarmes?
>>43625064
As in late medieval (or somethign like that) French knights, or?
>>43625165
Yeah, late medieval heavy Knights, preferably French. All my folders are filled with is High Middle Ages Knights, nothing late.
>>43625165
Yes, he means the French knights that also performed a service as Men-at-Arms. Not the modern day police.
>>43624331
little misunderstanding here I think.
I will use it for hema stuff as in, armored reenactment hema stuff.
Obviously no free sparring or just with a fuckton of restrictions.
>>43621396
Okay. This shit is so cool I'm stealing it for the dagger compliment to a sword I gave my rogue. There aren't enough blue accented weapons in this world.
>>43623014
>hey KM, which one of these polearms that are in the thread would be the "safest" for doing hema stuff?
I think the swiss HEMA guys use leather heads for their halebards.
this thread needs more armor
OP, how fantasy can we go with this thread?
>>43626154
you don't need my permission for anything, but the "tradition" in these threads is that we keep fantasy to a minimum
>>43626194
OK
>>43626269
motherfucker
>>43626269
>>43626307
thats a different guy, pls dont hate me ;__;
>>43626318
that's a shame because it was a good joke. You could have taken credit for it
>>43626333
nah man, im a stickler for rules, especially in /tg/
>>43626362
/tg/ is famous about how it always bends or just disregard the rules
>>43626385
well yeah, what i meant was i go with what the GM says, in this case the OP
>>43626421
/tg/, why are stag skulls so awesome?post more stag skull helmets
so glorious! Thank for sharing HungaryMan or Lady.
>>43626421
>just your casual barbarian tribesman with a naginata
>>43626497
does this count?
>>43626506
I'm a man, although some people made promises that they will change this fact in a rather aggressive way in the future
>>43626611
Should've watched his step.
Does anyone know what the inspiration for the Uruk Hai berserker sword was, if any? Trying to narrow down the classification.
>>43626685
or maybe something more common happened to him: a dickstab!
I mean according to the authentic illustrations stabbed in the dick and stabbed in the ass were the two most common injury, with a close third of hit in the face
>>43626547
Ainu arms do have a lot of similarities with mainline/Yamato Japanese ones at times, a nagamaki wouldn't stretch it very far IMO.
>>43626723
i've always loved that sword
>>43626723
Probably just slapping a second point onto the basic one, which in turn probably comes form your basic cleaver. Though I guess we can see some similarities between it and some Central African swords.
Of the course of warfare, what have been the key differences between armor designed for cavalrymen and armor designed for infantrymen?
>>43626925
cavalrymen could always wear more and heavier armor because they don't have to move a lot in them. That and the mobility. I would say those are the most important differences.
>>43627028
>>43626925
Groin protection.
Mounted combat isn't sitting still, but it should still be a bit less strenuous than running on your own, and some bits of your body might not be about to use the full range of motion. Thus cavalry armour can probably go for mroe protection, while infantry wants somethign lighter, and with a greater ease&range of motion.
Infantry armour might tend towards better ventilation, at the cost of less facial protection, too.
Of course, a warhorse is a very resource-intensive thing. As such cavalry will more or less universally end up being more prestigious than infantry, and with deeper pockets, meaning part of the differences here can be that the cavalry can simply afford shit the infantry often can't. How much of the "lighter armour for infantry" for example is due to such, well, beats me.
stupid pretty helms
>>43627005
You say that, but one interesting feature of English armour of the 14/15th century was that it tended to cover gaps that were left undefended in other styles. The primary explanation given that those gaps (back of the lower legs for example) are more likely to be targeted in the dismounted fighting favoured by English Men-at-Arms than their continetal counter-parts focusing on mounted combat.
Requesting Japanese Polearms.
>>43627190
This one is a training version obviously, but it's a variant of the naginata called the kagitsuki naginata, that is your typical naginata with a bronze or another "soft metal" crossbar to parry, catch and trap your opponent's weapon.
>>43627185
and yet the average cavalry armour was heavier and more protective than the average infantry one. There will be always exceptions when we are talking about such a broad subject as this.
>>43627190
Those were talked about in another recent thread. Special police weapons of half a millenia ago...
>>43627319
I think in use into the 19th century.
>>43627273
Of course, it was merely to highlight one notable exception.
The picture is an original sword (X.12 in Oakeshott) dated to the second half of the 11th century and a modern replica.
The replica is particularly noteworthy as one of the few that has attempted to reproduce the inlaid inscriptions on the blade, an area of special interest to myself.
The letters are engraved into the finished blade and then fine wire of precious metal is hammered in. Silver was the most common and is shown here on the reproduction, although the original inscription repeated the letter sequence BOAC four times on each side of the blade was executed in gold wire. It is thought that like many inscriptions of this kind it holds a religous signifcance and the letters from an anagram or abreviation of a latin prayer.
Still, it is a very attractive example of a silver inlaid inscription on a High Medieval sword.
>>43621367
>arms and armours
When will you posers understand that "arms" refers to both weapons and armor?
>>43627727
>>43626318
You lying bastard.
Don't you hate it when you can't even trust yourself?
>>43627644
Are you the Bladesmith who specializes in historic reproductions?
>>43628358
No.
Well, he might be, I'm sure there's more than one of us. Though I'm not a 'bladesmith', I'm a cutler.
- cutleranon.
>>43627644
I really, honestly do not understand this sword. Not the original, that's a lovely simple wee thing, and is packed full of details when you get it in your hands. What I dont understand is making a repro and then doing it with inlay of silver.
What I dont understand is why the hell anyone would be mad enough to commission it, with that much inlay, and then NOT USE GOLD. its insane. it takes hundreds of man-hours to do an inlay that complex, its an absolute bitch to do, especially in a fuller - those are hard as hell to inlay into without it going "ping" and springing out of.
OK. gold costs more, a metre of 0.7mm 18kt gold wire costs about £130, a metre of 0.7mm silver wire costs £3.
But in the scope of that sword, all that inlaying work, where there's hundreds of man-hours work, that thing has got to have cost £3000+ to make, an extra £125 for getting it absolutely right, and inlaying it with gold is a no-brainer. Its not even a fraction of the cost of the sword.
I just dont understand why anyone would want to do it wrongly after all the work to get to the point ready to start inlaying it.
have a pic of a 24kt gold inlay - that simple little cross potent was probably 10-15 hours of cutting and inlaying.
Post French Knights for support.
>>43628358
>>43628587
Cutleranon is correct, I am not him. I am just a historian and re-enactor interested in blade inscriptions.
I can't speak to the mind of the owner of the reproduction sword. Silver inlays were very common, but I suspect that decision to cut costs here was one that was done with heart and not head. A shame though.
I do intend to have similar item commissioned for myself in over this Christmas. I await with dread as to how much the inlaid design with cost, I may prepare a back-up plan just in case.
Perhaps when it is done I will upload a picture for your enjoyment.
>>43628761
>Cutleranon is correct, I am not him.
Ahhh-ha.... But are you SURE you're not me?
How do you know. Have you ever met me? No...
For all you know, I am your horrible alter ego that lurches free at night and makes things while the normal you sleeps...
>>43628898
This seems unlikely, but then how could I be sure?
>>43629056
exactly....
*insert the twilight zone music here*
>>43629056
trust no one, not even yourself
>>43629106
With that note, the hour is late and the image limit reached so I shall head to bed. If there is a falchion beside me when I awake I will know something is afoot.
Was wielding a pair of battle-axes every a viable tactic at any point in history? Or is the idea of dual-wielding such large weapons just a rule of cool thing we see in movies and fantasy?
>>43629220
most dualwielding was only viable in civilian context, and even there just in specific cases
>>43627182
Kingdom Under Fire is great you shut up.
>>43621367
How do you make a blade like that shape?
>>43634418
which part?
>>43634418
I um I'll risk sounding arrogant, sorry in advance.
Hammers, anvil (both the horn and the flat), chisels... oh and punches and files.
It's actually pretty simple (except for, you know, large patches of forge welded flat surfaces).
