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Kitsune Are the Best Waifus edition.
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>>43620714
>waifuing anything
>ever
All-kitsune party. Good idea, best idea, worst idea?
>>43620742
>all of the shedding
Nary an inn would hold ye for longer than a fortnight!
>>43620742
#1 Best Idea.
>>43620666
This feels pretty much like how /pfg/ behaves sometimes.
>core races only campaign
fuck
what are some good character concepts for gnomes or halflings?And why are they always such boring-ass races
Did you know that you can have a "dueling dueling dueling sword" by RAW, even without third-party material?
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Dueling%20%28PSFG%29
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons/magic-weapon-special-abilities/dueling
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/sword-dueling
>>43620742
I was once to GM for an all-kitsune party. However, frustration with Pathfinder from a GM perspective ensued, and I found myself switching to another system entirely. To this day, I still feel guilty over the bait-and-switch, and one of my players occasionally implies that we should have never switched.
>>43620780
>PF gnomes
>boring
But anon, boredom kills gnomes!
>>43620714
I know that Kitsune.
Don't trust her sweetness.
>>43620780
>see image desu
>>43620791
>not wanting a cute little yandere kitsune wife.
>>43620801
Nope, I'd rather have her mother.
>>43620829
And the sauce because I'm not a heartless bastard.http://exhentai.org/g/655848/5d333ff968/The Old Kitsune,
>>43620714
Oh damn THAT FUCKING FOX
Why settle for a youngster that hasn't grown their ninth tail yet?
Plebeians, all of you!
>level 4
>enemy Sorc has Disintegrate
I knew we should never have gone to Nex.
Do you give your players artifacts, DMs of /pfg/?
If you do, do you treat them as story-important objects, or more like personal side quests for that character?
If you don't, why not? What are the perceived downsides to you?
>>43620943
Artifacts can be cool as long as they are either extremely hard to find, difficult to obtain, not all that useful but funny (illusionary wand of tastiness, make food tastier), come at a tremendous cost to the player (power gauntlet for fighter? consumes the arm it's worn on and requires regular sustenance in the form of blood or it consumes the user, but while fed it grants tremendous power. The fighter can never stop fighting without shortly dying after.)
All in allI don't play pathfinder
>>43620984
Those aren't really artifacts, and that's a shitty idea in the first place.
>>43620791
sauce?
>>43621008
deviantart
>>43621000
>those aren't really artifacts
Ching chong bing bong learn to speak English you fucking gook.
>>43620780
Why are the DnD core races so conceptually bankrupt? Sure, elves and dwarves are fairly distinct, but then you have shit like halflings and gnomes that are nearly the same fucking thing, just one uses magic. Then you have halfbreeds which just feel like filler. Like what, did they think full-blooded orcs would be too 'out there' for people to play as? It's not like I'm asking to play as a phlumph here.
Optimize my kitsune bard.
[No third party allowed in this campaign]
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=542690
>>43620791
The comic is just her origin story, she gets better.
>>43621023
>Like what, did they think full-blooded orcs would be too 'out there' for people to play as?
Gygax was strongly against his players rolling monster races, considering them to be mindlessly evil and therefore not playable.
Half-Orc was his way of going "fine, Christ, have it your way."
>>43621023
orcs are the traditional Evil race. can't have players playing those!
Rol titsunes everyday
>>43620791
God that last panel makes for a great reaction image. I'll need to fart one of those out when I get the time.
>>43621026
>Shelyn/Arshea
>that description
is this an ERP campaign?Is there room for one more?
>>43621050
Got a link to that getting better?
>>43621101
Actually no.
She is a risque characterBut can easily convert to ERP
>>43621115
Artist is Barikios on tumblr and twitter.
Although lately his fetish is drawing angels who are SAD, so heads up.
>>43621132
Thanks.
...Also wtf is going on in that picture?
never trust a fox
>>43621132
Are any of these angels Wizards?
I wonder if anyone has made a 'How to survive monsters and magical beings." book.
Even if I was in game.
>>43621257
JK Rowling's printed a few versions of 'fantastic beasts and where to find them', although it's short and mostly for charity.
>>43621142
A guy is hanging up his dakimakura so he can bury his face in its lap.
>>43621257
I don't remember this from the comic. The hell?
>>43621342
There's more than one comic.
>>43620848
>>43621132
thank you
>>43621373
Ah, it's her and the grandpa then? Interesting, looks cute, but not sure I could enjoy it much, with the dread hanging over it.
>>43621390
in the future she winds up on a southern tropical island and adopts a cute brown imouto, so it all ends well.
>>43621418
That brown fox.
>>43621456
[x]Touch fluffy tail
>>43621026
So, somebody is going to give any tips or advice to optimize my titsune?
Are the Deep Earth, Pestilence, or Stormborn bloodlines any fun?
>>43621565
get some pants
>>43621570
Nothing in this game is fun. It hasn't been for years. We bitch and moan that 4e was all the same, but this isn't any better. Nothing has flavor, and what little there is that does is shit mechanically.
>>43621585
Adventurer's outfit includes them.
>>43621565
alright well for starters
>8 str
>using a nodachi
for what purpose
>>43621667
For shit and giggles.
She basically attacks using the weird words performance.
>>43621257
I have a "How to survive a Yokai attack" book. It's... it's mostly "You don't. Deal with it, gaijan" which kind of misses the point of the book, but is also pretty accurate.
>>43621679
Because it really has a punch since it got fixed:
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/ArchetypeDisplay.aspx?FixedName=Bard%20Sound%20Striker
>>43621679
># of ranged touch attacks equal to bard level
dam son that's pretty nice
Maybe try picking up the Gallant Inspiration spell. It's super useful for those moments when you or somebody else needs to roll something but is off by 2 or something. Your party will thank you for it, it is never not useful.
Also, I think by RAW Deadly Aim works with your weird words.
REMOVE KITSUNE.
MARRY DROW.
>>43621731
How do you make a proper drow rogue and what gear would it have? Hidden Blade Rogue, I mean, with 9th level maneuvers.
>>43621589
Uh huh. Still having trouble with 5e are you?
>>43621565
>6' 5"
>85lbs
Holy shit. The contents of her bag weigh as much as she does!
>>43621749
Why would you ever play 5e?
>>43621731
RESPECT DROW CULTURAL VALUES WITH REGARDS TO MARRIAGE, ENGAGE IN DEDICATED BUT NON-MONOGAMOUS RELATIONSHIP.
(I had to do a /lot/ of research on drow as they were back in 1e-3.5 and even the good-aligned ones didn't tend to be one-person lovers. Something something literally created by a corrupt fertility goddess something).
Morning /pfg/.
>>43621743
Got a link to the Hidden Blade Rogue?
>>43621755
Doesn't a Handy Haversack works like a bag of holding weight wise or is a misconception?
>>43621762
>Being such a shit husbando that she seeks other people.
Tsk tsk.
>>43621764
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tbBIinA90VQW8eriM0TZTZCbHsSU6cdv7_44J8w564s/edit
There's an unofficially endorsed thing to give all non-full initiators full initiating.
>>43621679
Since the errata makes you pay 1 round of performance for each word, you're gonna want a lot of Extra Performance feats. Additionally, Harmonic Sage lets you make your performance last 1 round longer than normal when in an artificial structure, which should technically make them take another 4d6 next round for free.
>>43621762
Hello
see >>43621743
>>43621755
That's not how you spoiler anon
>>43621792
> Asking Gareth for build advice.
Anon we've talked about this. And I haven't even had my coffee yet.
>>43621565
>>43621026
>6'5", 85 pounds with tits bigger than her head
You don't understand how females work
>Using Agile as a feat when you have a fucking Nodachi, bard or no
You're wasting your own time
>Kitsune
Trash
>Weeb name and lewd image
15 year old weeaboo confirmed
>Vividly describing he rlooks in odd, perverted ways
I bet if you hit puberty, the neckbeard you'd grow would smell like cheetos
>War Razor
Literally worst light weapon
And finally
>Pathfinder
No wonder you're so fucking terrible.
>>43621026
>65 pounds
>6'5''
anon please
she needs to be at least 165 pounds
You all do realize that the kitsunefaggot is Espagnoll, one of the shittiest people on the entire board, yeah?
Post what you think is your strongest build.
>>43621821
Agile is not a Feat, is a racial trait.
The nodachi and the war razor are mostly for showing, if a bard engages into melee because your actions is pretty much indication of being a noob and if you do because your party's members allow it means is time to change of gaming group.
>>43621847
Sacred Fist with a two level dip in Master of Many Styles monk
Gets Pummeling Style+Charge at level 2, followed by Dragon Style+Ferocity at level 3. Hits like a truck, can flurry on charge, and also has cleric spells/abilities. You can also take a third monk level if you fancy having two ki pools at once.
>>43621844
>implying there is only one fan of titty foxes
>>43621847
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=613635
>>43621874
Look at the sheet. It's literally listed under the player name on the sheet.
>>43620714
One of my players plans on playing a Kitsune in my upcoming Cheliax campaign. Which will be rife with demons, devils, undead, and plague.
The character's going to be a foreigner, obviously (at least I hope). How do I facilitate/exploit/make use of this to make things interesting for the player?
>>43621874
Not as numerous as drowfags, which presence I doesn't dislike me.At least we aren't in the late 90s and early 2000s with all the Drizz fags doing clones of Salvatore's character every day
>>43621872
Unchained Monk at 5th level gets a better than pounce charge attack though Leaping Kick Style Manuver (you get to attack before and after the attack) with flurry and you can spend ki for the extra attack at that level. That's 3 full BAB attacks and one at -5 BAB at 5th level. Ki Powers are very much potent, since they can access their own list and the Qigong Monk's list, which grants a bunch of self-buffs and movement buffs.
>>43621901
Kitsunes are well-equipped for disguise since they have two forms they can swap between. This opens up all kinds of avenues for Vigilantism or spying.
>>43621901
1. Everyone mistakes Him/Her for a demon. Which they basically are anyway.
>>43621907
Leaping Kick only lets you move distance equal to your Fast Movement bonus, though.
I have a status update regarding the "for optimized characters" campaign that has a severely unoptimized kineticist and swashbuckler in its ranks, which I mention here: >>43613882 and >>43616228
People's feelings are now being hurt as I point out that in this supposedly "for optimized characters" Pathfinder campaign, we have three players with tier 2 classes (an oracle, a magus [hexcrafter], and the GM's custom tier 2 spontaneous caster class), a player with a class well into tier 1 (arcanist), and then two players with two players with low-tier-5 classes (an aether kineticist and a TWF swashbuckler) who also have terrible builds on top of that.
I am apparently being called "too abrasive" even by the GM.
Sometimes, I wonder why I even bother with these groups.
>>43621912
This is true. I also forgot to mention political/noble house intrigue above, along with devils n'shit. Then again. I did say it's set in Cheliax so mentioning it might be redundant, assuming you know anything about Cheliax.
>>43621927
To be fair, you are hella abrasive.
>>43621844
I'm not him and I like Kitsune, anon.
Granted, I like a variety of races, but they come up enough to make me focus on them.
Has anyone here played with a Kitsune PC/NPC that was done really well?
>>43621821
>>43621838
>6'5
>85 lbs.
Yeesh. I have an amazon in a couple games. She's 6'4 and roughly 217 lbs. Curves and muscle add up pretty damn fast./pfg/ should expect to see a little more of Lilly sometime soon.
At least >>43621026 corrected their mistake to a degree.
>>43621906
>which presence I doesn't dislike me.
wat
>>43621906
>all the words over the Iconics' faces are status ailments
Kekekekekekeke
>>43621907
>only lets you move your fast movement distance
>no bonus from horn of the cryosphinx
>no bonus from other charge related feats
>have to pick it instead of elbow smash/foot stomp
I think it's an okay sidegrade but definitely not better.
>>43621980
Actually I forgot to edit the weight stat after changing the concept of her being a pretty much non curvaceous nerd bard (archivist) into a poor quality anime bombshell.
>>43622013
You could make her a high quality bombshell by leveling out the proportions and maybe fiddling with her concept a tiny bit more.
Ulfen/Tian children are described as intensely beautiful, but that doesn't mean she's suddenly Ulfen sized with Ulfen+ sized tits. Size often plays a big role in how big the girls look on someone, so maybe she's just chesty (even by Ulfen standards) and 5'3.
>>43622013
You got the one with a bunch of goblins cosplaying the Iconics?
On another note, I need to know - Serpent Shaman or Saurian Shaman?
>>43621906
>>43622013
I'm always a bit upset when somebody makes something cool with the PF iconics, because they are kinda shit. All that effort could have went into creating something that stars something not-shit.
/assburgers
I'm thinking of making a Class that basically just gives the Sorcerer Bloodlines to a Martial type class.
Right now, all I got is exchanging spellcasting for Full BAB while leaving all Bloodline abilities, including the bonus spells. This is obviously still a little bare-bones, so what should I add? Maybe more bonus spells? Like one every level?
>>43622058
If it helps, here you have her background:Shuguru was born in the so called City of Strangers, Kaer Maga, in the district of Hospice. The estranged daughter of an ulfen ranger member of the Duskwardens and an absent kitsune part-time "courtesan" enchantress, Shuguru spend most of her childhood playing with street urchins, listening to the advice of the calystrian sacred prostitutes and learning from wizards, bards and other itinerant adventurers until the day she tried to steal a tome from the Therrasic Spire in a dare. The caretakers, for some reason even today Shuguru tries to figure, instead of killing the insolent girl decided to punish her in a different way, she will be forced to learn thassilonian and help visitors translate ancient texts belonging to that old lost civilization.
During her "formative years" Shuguru became obsessed with the Thassilonian empire: the mysterious Peacock Spirit cult, the disciplined church of Lyssala, the summoning of the Oliphaunt of Jandelay, the War with the Serpentfolk, the great monuments built by the giantfolk... for the kitsune all these facts seemed like fairy tales yet they were real.
When she bloomed into an astonishingly attractive fox lady and a desired singer by many tavern owners of Hospice district, the caretakers told her that she did payed for her crime and that was free of her obligations towards the Therrasic Spire.Shuguru so left Kaer Maga and headed to Magnimar, eager to see Irespan with her own eyes but her good looks and her exotic nature made her become constantly approached by the rich and powerful of the City of Monuments. During a time Shuguru became, like her mother, a courtesan for those living in Alabaster District, both men and women did enjoyed her company until the kitsune got bored and her desire to explore Varisia and find the treasures of the civilization that obsessed her during her childhood sparked again in her mind. (cont.)
>>43622089
Why not just play a Bloodrager?
>>43622078
No, but I got this one.
Arcane duelist/Dragon disciple (blue o copper)
What do you think?
>>43622104
IT BURNS
>>43622102
Because I hadnt really looked into that class yet. Nevermind I guess.
>>43622094During that time she became familiar with the texts of modern scholars, specially those of Brodert Quink. Shuguru wanted to meet the man in person, so she donated her fortune earned as an expensive lady of the night to orphanages and hospitals for the poor, keep enough capital for herself and headed to the peaceful town of Sandpoint.
Shuguru settled in as a teacher in the Turandarok Academy, spending the evenings in Haladan's bookstore with those members of Sandpoint's community interested into intellectual matters and in special with her scholarly hero. Soon Shuguru started to find that Brodert if brilliant was lazy and lacked the courage to explore the ruins that filled his academic literature, doubts which accentuate when she meet a chelaxian scholar who clashed with Brodert since very first time they meet each other.
>>43621972
I've played with a Kitsune PC that was built to be as special snowflake in a goofy kind of way possible. The intention was that she would likely die two or three sessions in. She survived the entire campaign and became a group favorite.
>Kitsune NPC
I had a Kitsune assassin try and kill one of the party members once. It turned into a riduclous over the top 1v1 fight in a burning whore house. Gunslinger VS Ninja.
>>43622120
Sorry bro, my intentions were humorous not aimed to make you have nightmares.
Here, have some more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmYGfn5Iq9s
>>43622094
See? This is something you could totally shape into a cool character; she's got the good looks and otherworldly grace that make people interested, but the thing that keeps them staying is her wit and wisdom.
That's something real-world courtesans were desirable for and something you could do here, she isn't just a pretty lay, she's an intelligent young woman clients can hold conversations with. If possible, I'd try to find a way to put points into Perform (Oratory) to reflect her way with words, perhaps she learned some Ulfen and Tien stories?
That "child of two cultures" thing might be fun to play up too; when calm and collected she's the spitting image of the ideal Tian woman, but get her riled up or panicking and she reverts to her Ulfen heritage.
>>43621980
>>43622013
>She's 6'4 and roughly 217 lbs
>Bombshell
That's pretty thin, man. If she's gonna be an Amazon, you should go for like 250 pounds.
>>43622179
Okay now I'm laughing again. Something about the look on Valeros' face and him holding his sword like it's a proton pack.
>>43622145
>>43622094
I'd suggest having a scratchwork sheet to jot down weird words, if you're planning to focus on it. Is it just shouting really loudly? Is it tongue twisters so twisted they cause physical warping after travelling through the air? Is it actually just pronouncing "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh" correctly? Figure it out.
I'm personally fond of the idea of literally spitting curses at things to warp and damage them.
Watch out for dogs.
>>43622223
This one always makes me smile.
>>43621773
But no, seriously. The original culture from which drow originate - elven culture - doesn't concern itself with sexual fidelity (elves are more worried about fidelity of affection; they pair-bond fiercely, and falling in love with someone else suggests a flaw in the bond). When Lolth left and took all the fucks elves had to give with her, her people - the drow - didn't change much in that regard. Even today, after all the various mixing of blood with demons, dragons, etc etc, drow have an essentially elven attitude towards sex that's colored by their particular circumstances. Curiously enough, the bedroom's one of the very few places that a drow can expect to be totally safe - every now and again an enterprising priestess who slept through her history classes tries to assassinate someone while they're having sex or for having sex with someone she doesn't like, and ends up getting drider'd harder than a blasphemer.
For your "average" drow, their sex life is a series of 'build tension, establish baseline trust, do the deed, hang around each other for awhile, separate warily'. Drow affairs tend to be very passionate and colored by mutual use of the partner; males look to the females for protection and status, females look to the males for their talent and sometimes alliances based on house or affiliation. One of the biggest challenges one side or the other can face is when they have an interest in one half of the relationship (say, the politics) but can't stand the otehr half (say the guy is a poor lover). Thanks to the protection afforded to them by Lolth's ongoing insane eugenics program, the male is theoretically free to walk away and seek another relationship, which puts the female trying to make use of him in a bit of a fucking spot.
Getting better, drow are still capable of selfless love, but it's rare because of the above relationships being typical. When it /does/ happen, both sides often don't know what's up or what they're feeling.
>>43622236
I can see why
those tits mang
>>43622243
And as the final act on this romantic comedy, outsiders - that is, potential enemies and allies - often have no idea what the fuck is going on either, which leads them to assume that the ferocity of the pair-bond is the result of some great but hidden advantage the two share with each other. Drow in love look /scary/ to other drow, who in turn tread lightly around the pair to avoid whatever hidden strength they've built against outsiders.
Meanwhile, Lolth eats popcorn and laughs both of her asses off.
>>43622243
>sex completely devoid of affection is common in elves
Trash.
>>43622226
Her background implies a bit that she did found something during her time as a librarian aide in the Therassic spire, and yes, she does say words which are pretty much an obscure Aklo dialect that are a reference to one of Clark Ashton Smith's The Door to Saturn.
>>43622185
This is actually some fairly sound advice, the best courtesans were as intelligent as they were beautiful, and her time as one (as well as her personality as an adventurer) should definitely reflect that.
Part of me thinks it might be funnier if she behaves like an Ulfen while calm and collected, but when riled up or panicking she slips into rapid-fire Tien.
>>43622226
>Watch out for dogs
>Favorite dish is fried tofu
>Uncontrollable urge to play tricks on people she believes "deserves" them
>Attaches herself to one particular man or woman that shows them respect, and from time to time offers them gifts that turn out to be stolen from a PC/NPC.
>>43622258
Devoid of romantic love, yes. Devoid of passion, no. Would suggest this article to you: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?258370-So-You-Want-To-Play-An-Elf-%283-5-Fluff%29
>>43620749
So everybody goes fox and sleeps in a pile under a tree.
>>43622282
>http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?258370-So-You-Want-To-Play-An-Elf-%283-5-Fluff%29
Elves sound incredibly frustrating and obnoxious to deal with if your brain isn't wired like theirs (and it isn't, if you're not an elf).
How the hell do elves and other races manage to stand each other long enough to produce so many half-elves? This straight-up says that just interacting with a human on a regular basis is like having a constant headache.
For that matter, if elf brains and human brains are so wildly different, how the fuck do half-elf brains work?
>>43622282
Gareth, I think RPing elves shouldn't have guidelines. Elves themselves have tonsa variety in fantasy works, unlike dwarves and orcs who present a more constant culture across different universes.
>>43622236
> Magus knows what's up
>>43622333
All half-elves are actually doppelganger spies. Humans were too proud about fucking elves to look into the origins closely, and the elves were too embarrassed.
The secret's out, it's only a matter of ti
>>43622333
A combination of 'young elves often like the rush of short-time, even through the headache', 'elves in love are moony derps' and 'elves practice sex for passion & lust, not for love'. A human that catches an elf's attention as a bedmate or romantic partner has managed to do so through the perpetual headache that is their existence, which will be /immediately/ and /embarassingly/ romanticized by the elf in question.
As far as half-elf brains I dunno, I'll poke Fro. Though I'll note that with their life span being similar to dwarves', the perception of time may be similar.
>>43622282
>afroakuma
Into the trash it goes.
>>43622386
what beef do you have with him?
>>43622333
There are people who, while they would never want to work with minors, would have sex with them.
>>43621912
>This opens up all kinds of avenues for Vigilantism...
Your Social Identity is the party Wizard's familiar. I really like that, actually, that could be pretty fun. Especially when this tiny fox pops out of the shadows and causes all the villains to shit their pants thanks to the X Appearance line of abilities.
>>43622363
>A human that catches an elf's attention as a bedmate or romantic partner has managed to do so through the perpetual headache that is their existence, which will be /immediately/ and /embarassingly/ romanticized by the elf in question.
Okay that honestly sounds pretty adorable.
>>43621927
I do so thoroughly despise your kind, and all you stand for.
You and every single other person who would tell other people how they 'have to' build their own character.
I know about tiers and mention them in passing between games. I know about the tangled web of feats, and can probably throw a suggestion for people who want to go for a particular idea. But, I never say something like "Your build is bad, and you should feel bad."
>>43622363
>>43622465
>Human catches your attention
>spend 150 years composing the ABSOLUTE MOST PERFECT poem to express your love
>Finally finish and they're dead of old age
>>43622475
From what they said, it sound like this game was specifically called out as a game for optimized characters from the start. I agree with you that, in any normal game, whining about optimization is a dick move. But when the game starts out with the premise that everybody should be optimized, I don't think it's wrong to point out that two of the characters are most definitely not optimized.
This isn't "your build is bad", this is "your build does not fit the theme of this game".
>>43622477
Not even that
>Elf bangs Human woodsman
>He's not even attractive, she just has a thing for muscles and was in the mood
>She develops an entire backstory for the man when they depart, writing him off as having a heart of gold, rugged looks, and tender affection that shines through his gruff exterior.
>>43621927
>2hu fag being an abrasive faggot who doesn't know how to adjust his autism, no matter how justified, for better communication and workability with human beings in a social environment
>news at 11
If you hadn't noticed yet, people do find you to be kinda anal retentive and abrasive. You might have aspergers too.
>>43621022
Come on man, it's current year and you're still being a faggot?
>>43622324
A scholar was walking through the woods early morning on his way to town to meet with the baron to discuss the nature of several strange artifacts and texts he had uncovered. Just outside of town, within sight of the tavern sat upon the road leading to the center, he happened upon a strange scene.
A bundle of tails, furry bodies and pointed snouts, at least four of them huddled together in the roots of a large oak, and behind them lay various weapons and supplies. "How peculiar." He thought to himself.
Perhaps they were the sport of a nearby hunter? But they had no wounds!
Why do these foxes sleep here? In such a bundle instead of in a hole?
And what of these weapons? They seem well used and not at all discarded but carefully placed?
And while he examined the supplies there was a stirring. And then a giggle. Before the scholar could turn about, he was nearly bowled over by a bushel of colorful tails and grabbing paws. Moments later the scholar stood with only his clothes and confusion about him, as the supplies, the weapons, the artifacts, texts and the foxes disappeared into the woods.
"Kitsune." he muttered to himself. "I hate foxes."
>>43622501
I'd agree, but they also might THINK they're optimised, or that they are indeed playing optimised kineticist and swashbuckler. They're going to get mauled until they wise up, but it does sound like a failure to communicate on all sides, not just 2hu's.
I saw a weird situation along the same lines a few years ago, with a guy that would always show up to the first session with a diametrically opposed character. If the theme was 'Hunt Demons And Animal Spirits For The Shogunate' he'd have a knight in full plate. If the theme was 'High Ass Fantasy Halfcasting', he'd show up with a pure wizard. Not sure what his problem was, but after four or five incidents he quit the gaming club.
>>43621132
I know this is [IDIOCY INTENSIFIES], but any pointers on translations?
what is your waifiend?
>>43622890
Lilitu demon.
It's a shame their art is fucked up.
So, can anyone think of any use to having an item with absurdly high hardness? Is there like a way to temporarily lower an item's hardness for a bonus? I ask because a friend and I got a sword with 114 hardness with a lot of expense, combination of magic, dwarvencraft, and Dragon Magazine special materials.
>>43622970
I don't think hardness has any real value other than being hard to break, but you could use it to reduce DR against certain enemies. Unless you want to stick by the numbers and have the player waste their money and time.
>>43622970
Intelligent item + Construct Armor modification
>>43623009
It's a sword by requirement of a few of the properties. And you still don't get to benefit from your construct armor's defenses, RAW, even if it weren't a sword.
>>43622970
>So, can anyone think of any use to having an item with absurdly high hardness?
Diamond is the hardest metal known to man, if you got a sufficiently large diamond and rammed it into a wall of force there would be no survivors.
>>43623048
Wall of force has 30 hardness, adamantine is 20. I doubt diamonds are higher than 15.
>>43623060
You could say the sword is
*shates*
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
THAN
STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLL
>>43623060
Trust me, tests have been done.
>>43623022
>It's a sword by requirement of a few of the properties.
Irrelevant.
Intelligent item makes it a Construct
Construct Armor modification lets you wear a construct as armor, and it soaks any damage you'd take while wearing it. http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/building-and-modifying-constructs#TOC-Construct-Armor
It would need to be a two-handed sword, though, to be large enough to wear.
>>43623078
>>43623082
And before you ask how someone wears a sword
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtgRJ6T4HTo
>>43622890
The Aghash is the only one for me.
>>43622890
>waifuing fiends
>waifuing anything
SUCH PETTY MORTAL WHIMS.
>>43621731
Why not...Drowsune?
>>43623262
They don't exist. You couldn't even find a picture.
So, lads, based on that 114 hardness sword, construct armor, and this legendary item ability:
Unyielding: A legendary item with this ability has double the hardness of a typical item of its type and triple the hit points. Furthermore, it's immune to all attempts to sunder it made by non-mythic creatures. This is a persistent ability.
We made power armor with 545 HP and 228 hardness that people have to get through to get to you.
>>43623355
Does it block line of effect from the outside?
>>43623369
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/building-and-modifying-constructs#TOC-Construct-Armor
That depends on how this technically works.
>>43623369
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/building-and-modifying-constructs#TOC-Construct-Armor
So, if I wanted to homebrew some fixes for the Esoteric Magus archetype, aside from ditching diminished casting and replacing the flat dodge bonus with canny defense? I like the idea of a magical martial artist, and esoteric looks like it almost managed to deliver before it tripped over a dev's immense hatred of unarmed or something.
>>43623382
>So long as the creator wears it, the construct performs no independent actions, remaining under the control of the creator, and any attacks directed at the wearer first damage the construct
It only blocks attacks (and even then, just damage from them), so you're pretty fucked the moment someone casts a spell.
>>43623398
Not really, mate, do you not have any other way to deal with spells?
>>43623398
Unless you're playing a Warder with this thing. It'd let you focus completely on how to shut-down magical abilities.
>>43622890
Animp. I like someonesmallthat I canbully in the bedroom.
>>43623418
Sure, but it seems like a lot of effort to go through to get defenses against mooks.
>>43623433
Well, yeah, it's a gimmick. That's about it.
>Kitsune Feyblood Sorc 1/Mesmerist 1
>Effective DC 22 1st lvl enchantment spells
>Spam Lock Gaze/Unnatural Lust
Roll a 20 or I am your waifu for then next 6 seconds
>>43620801
>>43620791
>Yandere
>evil
>Blaming the spirit
Spirits in jap folklore usually act like Fey. Its not that they are evil. They just have no sense of right and wrong.
Saying that the Kitsune is evil is like saying that a avalanches or earthquakes are evil.
>>43623290
Don't be so discouraging! Isn't this suppose to be a game about imagining things that don't exist?
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fz#v5748eaic9op2
"If the construct is resistant or immune to a particular attack, the attack bypasses this protection and affects you normally."
>specifically calls out energy damage
>power armor is resistant/immune to most conventional damage
>mfw 70k gold + legendary item power armor isn't allowed to protect you from anything
PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>43623537
So... This means if I'm wearing armor that gives me acid 20, and I get hit with acid... The acid still hurts me because it's hitting "me" rather than the armor?
>>43623537
>If the armor you're wearing would be good at defending, it actually doesn't do so
I... Uh... What?
>>43623553
That depends on whether the armor would give YOU the resistance or the armor itself has it. If the armor has resist acid 20, then yes, you still get hurt when you get hit with acid.
>>43623558
Can't let martials theoretically be able to get something nice, anon.
>>43623484
Yandere isn't evil, it's yandere
>>43623558
>>43623553
C'mon senpai, did you honestly expect Paizo to give martially inclined characters a way to become immune to spells?
>>43623573
>That depends on whether the armor would give YOU the resistance or the armor itself has it
Shouldn't I get the armor's acid resistance if I'm wearing the armor?
Doesn't this mean you could wear a fire-suit and still get incinerated by a fire because "the armor has the fire resistance, not you."
>>43623600
Exactly. Dragonhide armor specifically says that the ARMOR is immune to the given element, not you. That's how it works. As written, literally the only thing construct armor is happens to be an incredibly expensive AC boost and pool of temporary HP that you have to remake if the temporary HP ever runs out. And it's even harder than usual to refill the temporary HP if by some miracle it doesn't run out.
To be absolutely fair, I can understand why they made dragonhide armor like that, because it's really fucking cheap and immunity to fire or whatever for like 350 gp or whatever would be too much. But the armor FAQ is just bullshit.
>>43623600
Yes.
This means that the armor specifically designed to protect you with it's own resistances is actually incapable of doing so, specifically because it has resistances.
>>43623396
Actually
>esoteric no longer has diminished spellcasting
>unarmed strikes now have an 18-20/2x crit range, instead of 20/2x
>gains canny defense, so long as the magus remains unarmed, and only wears up to light armor
>may only enchant their fists with Arcane pool
>replaces medium armor with flurry instead of the Dodge boost
>heavy armor replaced with the upgraded flurry
>esoteric magus gets +10 land speed so long as they are lightly armored or unarmored, and only have a light load
Did I fix it, or make it broken?
>>43623537
>>43623600
This is the most retarded thing ever. And it took them almost half a page to explain this retarded thing and how to read the rest of the retarded rules.
>>43623600
Well, to be fair, unless the power armor had some really good insulation you probably would burn up inside it while walking through lava, fire, or other hot environments. I still get what you mean, though.
But on the other hand, if you did get immunity to everything the armor does and effectively gain its hardness, how easy would it be to become effectively immune to everything? Asking as a person who hasn't looked at any tech rules because it's not allowed in the game I play anyway.
>>43623624
Oh, and I almost forgot. It's not actually temporary HP because if it happens to actually resist some damage, which 100% of constructs do in some form, the damage just goes straight to you. So you never actually get to use the damn temporary HP. It's just a really fucking expensive breastplate.
>>43623630
>>43623624
>>43623637
Want me to say the stickler that will make it impossible to argue against this with Paizo?
>The fire suit doesn't protect you against fire? Of course it does! It provides a +2 bonus when rolling reflex against catching on fire!
>>43623624
On the subject of dragonhide armor, I'm inclined to buff it some but then not make it regularly available for purchase. You have to supply the dragonhide yourself, and you're not just going to find that in a market stall...
>>43623645
This isn't even tech rules, this is just normal magic.
As for immunity, this wouldn't technically make you immune. Practically, yes, this specific combo with Mythic would indeed make you immune to anything that didn't either do upwards of 229+ damage in a single hit or double that as elemental, ignore hardness, or uses AoE or non-attack methods.
Guys, before you get all angry at this, notice the clarification was made in November 2011, four years ago.
How the ruling has caught on should be apparent to anyone who has played with construct armor rules already.
>>43623664
Make it give the player some actual elemental resistance and some DR/magic or a different type, amount of both depending on the dragon. DR/magic is actually kind of useful for PCs because a surprising amount of monsters don't have weapons that count as magic. Elemental resistance is overpriced as fuck, too.
Why doesn't Dragonhide armor grant a stealth bonus if worn by a dragon?
>>43623740
Why would it?
>>43623752
Dragonhide hides dragons, duh. It's right in the name.
>>43623752
Because it shoul hide dragons?
>>43623763
>>43623764
It's dragon-hide, not hide-dragon. Clearly, it gives you a bonus to hide when someone yells "DRAGON, HIDE!"
>>43623764
Well, it's not like Angelskin Vest is about skinning Angels...
oh, wait.
>>43623786
Yeah not like the Angelwing cloak was made of angel wings...Wait.
>>43623786
Angel's kin vest. It's what angels give their relatives for birthdays and kwanzaa
>>43623664
Dragonhide Armor does give you a 25% discount on getting energy resistance on 1 or 2 two elements though. Becomes noticeably more useful at higher levels.
>>43623786
No silly, think of it as "Angel's Kin" not "Angel Skin". It's clearly a vest meant as a gift for those mortals who have proven themselves worth to be considered like brother or sister to the angels.
Why has no one considered Fennec Kitsune desert waifus.
Possibly as belly dancing, turban wearing, nomadic amazons.
What's up, PFG?
I got today off to do some packing, resulting in about an hour to burn. Any questions floating around? Especially on the Steelforge project.
>>43623837
>Fennec
>amazons
Do you even consider your words or do you just mash the first keys that make your dick twitch?
>>43623851
Why are the non-magical enhancements completely fucked up and useless due to ridiculous costs?
>>43623851
How do I actually go about making a character who can manifest psychic bombs?
>>43623851
Go away
>>43623851
Are you ever going to add more stuff to it? Like that MIC ability to add mechanical number buffs without increased cost?
Hey, lads, I'm considering brewing up some customized full-plate sets based on actual constructs to make up for Construct Armor being so shit. I mean technically I could slap SR, fire resistance, and a 1/day poison gas on some full plate and pretend it was iron golem armor, but that's massively shitty and overpriced.
Using iron golems as an example, I'd like the wearer to feel as though they're actually using an iron golem as a mecha. But I'm not sure how to price their magic immunity, fire healing, or poison gas, whether those would be fair to give to PCs, or whether anyone would actually want immunity to buffs/healing.
>>43623837
>fennec
>amazon
>not shortstack
Must we do everything for you anon?
>>43623851
The Angelwing cloak strikes me as a bit weird, while it makes you detect as LG it still makes you look evil as fuck, I mean you literally wear the still bleeding chopped off wings of an angel.
>>43623871
PSIONIC bombs, sorry. It's weird having to get use to the fact that thanks to Paizo and their occult stuff, psionic and psychic aren't interchangeable terms anymore.
>>43623907
Short stack as a body type has been bleated so often on /tg/ that it does nothing for me anymore.
Fennec Kitsune would not be shortstacks or amazons, they would be lithe and slender versions of the Kitsune from Tian Xia.
>>43623851
Fix pricing shit
>>43623854
Alright dickcheese, Matriarchal if you want me to use the special word, rather than the slang everyone knows means female-warrior-tribe.
Ala the Tuareg peoples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg_people
>>43623962
Aren't they already lithe and slender, though?
>>43623851
Fix pricing shit
>>43623966
Amazon has very specific connotations while matriarchal does not, you should be aware of this.
A Fennec Kitsune tribe would probably be the same as how PF Catfolk actually behave, only with bigger ears.
In fact the more I think about it the sillier the concept becomes, since transplanting Kitsune from their eastern roots just turns them into generic fox people.
>>43623851
Fix pricing shit.
>>43623990
Fennecs would be to Kitsune as Halflings are to Humans, albeit with bigger ears.
>>43623870
Lots more going into that system, including a numbers balance. Any specific things you'd like to bring up as examples? I attempted to price it so that you'd be spending about as much as magical equivalents, with an increase for when you're using both Magical and Non-Magical due to the interactions there leading to some incredibly nasty things.
Same goes to the large number of people who agree with you. Bring up specifics for comparison, it helps.
>>43623889
Keep an eye out, actually. Part of our first goal is to explore the place of the magic item, both in the game world and mechanically. This qualifies, but we are looking at it more from a GM tool perspective. Great option, though.
>>43623871
Do you mean like a Soulknife does, just more explodey? Not something we've really considered (or thought of, despite what I like to call myself online), but sounds like fun.
>>43623918
I can see where you (and the others who pointed this out) are coming from. We are looking into changing that to be less obviously evil-looking.
>>43623962
But anon, then they'd be lolis.
Also shortstack is not a singular body type, its all about size of head space relative to body, so a shortstack can be somewhat thin, or have mor A than T.
Example, see Yordles or Midna
>>43624110
Yeah the thing is, people want to use it WITH magical shit, not as an entirely seperate system. Having it has a % based cost increase means it's useless, because there's never a reason to ever use anything but magic.
>>43624028
So a Fennec's humanoid for would he a Halfling instead of a human? Could we have a Fennec whos humanoid form looks likeAlfie?
>>43624123
Just like Halflings are lolis, right?
And how is "oh their ass is huge, not the tits" any different than what I'm saying? Shortstacks are bland and always have the same huge "fertile" proportions and it's obnoxious how people assume that's just how it should be if you're not tall or young.
>>43624167
No, and for asking now both human and fox forms look like ALF
>>43624110
Other than how it drips blood everywhere, I really like the cloak for my NE Aasimar.
>>43624110
Did you DSP guys already discuss where the Soulknife's soulbolt counted as part of the thrown weapon group? Elric said it would be discussed or something but no answer so far.
>>43624193
>Just like Halflings are lolis, right?
Only if you're shit and have shit tastes. Heck, most depictions of sane halfling art is neither Loli or Shota.
>>43624273
Exactly, which is why it's annoying whenever someone brings up halflings or goblins or what-have-you and people start jamming chicks with hips wider than their bodies into the thread.
>>43624273
>>43624337
>tfw there will never be a halfling love interest in Paizo content because they're grossed out at the logistics of such a relationship.
>>43624337
I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not. I sail Lolis are shit and shortstack is preferable. You said lolis, then agreed with me. What are you arguing
And before you say anything, Lolis and Shortstack are not the same, at all. And I already told you Shortstack is ONLY about head to body ratio, and the usage of adult human features scaled appropriately to the decreased body:head ration. For example, pic related is technically a shortstack. Do you understand now?
>>43624419
Sounds like they need thier ass kicked by Yondalla
>>43624151
Understood. Trying to balance that with WBL is the hard part here, and believe me that conversation has gotten heated at times. I am looking at it, though.
>>43624238
Talking about it, yes. All of the non-Emulated Soulknife weapons, actually. No consensus just yet, but we are talking about it almost every day.
>>43624436
>Shortstack is ONLY about head to body ratio, and the usage of adult human features scaled appropriately to the decreased body:head ration.
Patently false, shortstack refers to short women with endowed features, particularly in the chest or hips. It does not refer to women who are simply miniaturized.
Or have you never noticed the word "shortstack" is almost always followed by a goblin or halfling with huge tits, fat asses or comically wide hips?
>>43624460
So I'm using DrowAnons document, which has extra shit, but the other document is lacking. Is that just a temporary thing or did it get cut?
>>43624510
About 50-50. Some of it had to be killed for balance, others just haven't been added. Transference Vellum, for instance, I am going to definitely include (and most likely the other special materials).
>>43624623
What got cut?
>>43624717
Everything. All of Pathfinder. You're in a coma anon. It's 2028. We need you to wake up.
What's the best way to make a duelist without 3pp stuff?
Picture immensely related.
>>43624782
Izzat some Utena fanart?
Never understood Utena, myself.
>>43624782
You mean a character that uses the dueling rules, or a character that uses a dueling sword and has an absurd AC?
>>43624782
The Duelist PrC? It's pretty neat if you invest in Int.
>>43624782
Daring Champion Cavalier is good if you don't want any Magic, you can even double down with Order of the Eastern Star. Otherwise Magus can work.
>>43624782
>What's the best way to make a duelist without 3pp stuff?
Cry.
>>43624807
The latter'd be nice, if there was a way to make that effective. From what I understand, the dueling rules are shit.
>>43624797
Sure is.
>>43624933
Well duelling swords suck hard. I'd recommend a rapier or estoc isntead.
>>43624981
Huh, it's been a while since I looked at PF, didn't know they had dueling swords that weren't rapiers now.
How dumb. Anyway, not too chuffed on the specifics so long as it's a one-handed finesseable weapon.
>>43624733
No way gareth, I'm in heaven now
>>43625043
Then the rapier is your best option unless you take Exotic Weapon Proficiency to one-hand the estoc.
For class I like taking Lore Warden and then prestige into duelist, although that probably isn't the most optimal.
>>43625262
>take Exotic Weapon Proficiency
fucking PLEB
Heirloom weapon is where it's at, and you're a fag if you use the new version.
>>43625262
Heirloom Weapon
>>43625043
Rapier or estoc. Next depends on what mental stat you favor. If Int, Lore Warden Fighter into Duelist, or Kensei Magus (spell dancer is good if Elf). If Cha, Daring Champion Cavalier. Not sure if there is a Wis option aside from maaaaybe the Unchained Monk
>>43624733
>>43624623
Hey, you two.
Can you use the Unbreakable Gambit against something like Poison?
Is there a difference if it's poison from a creature biting you and poison that was on a doorknob?
>>43620943
Yes, I do artifacts.
Sometimes they're major plot points, but usually they're side quests for single character development.
I also like to include pacts with demons and arch - fey and whatnot. The player gets a boost in power, or versatility, at the cost of frequent story consequences or obligations.
I don't allow more of a raw power increase from such pacts than a single feat would grant, but I'm fairly accommodating in terms of versatility boosts in level - appropriate options.
I'm making my second Pathfinder character ever and I have no ideas how spells work. I want to be a wizard, is there some kind of fucking guide to this shit?
I have Treantmonk's guide but the whole process of preparing spells and the spellbook and shit is driving me nuts.
>>43621015
...care to elaborate on that? Reverse image search is failing me
>>43625734
Try reading the part in the book that explains magic.
>>43625734
wizard may not be for you, then.
