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Netrunner: Reborn

>Snippet:
>What is Android: Netrunner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAslVfZ9p-Y

>Android Netrunner Official FFG News & Spoilers:
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?etyn=1&ecan=197&epn=0
http://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/24049/netrunner-spoilers

>Floor rules
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/9/24/install-new-security-measures/

>Official FAQ, Compendium on rulings, and common mistakes
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/android-netrunner/support/FAQ/Android-Netrunner%20FAQ.pdf
http://ancur.wikia.com/wiki/Project_ANCUR_Wiki
https://www.reddit.com/r/Netrunner/comments/2f8qj8/netrunner_beginner_faq/
https://www.reddit.com/r/postalelf/comments/2sm1d2/welcome_to_netrunner/

>Netrunner Card List and Data Pack Details:
http://netrunnerdb.com/
>RIP onosendai.com
http://acoo.net
http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-card-spoilers
http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/147101/android-netrunner-lcg-setlists/

>Deckbuilding Resources:
http://netrunnerdb.com/
http://netrunner.meteor.com/
http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-deck-builder
http://www.littlechiba.com
http://acoo.net

>Articles and Blogs:
http://www.strangeassembly.com/tag/netrunner
http://netrunner-math.blogspot.ca/
http://teamcovenant.com/blog/category/netrunner-lcg/
http://stimhack.com/
http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/index.html/_/android-netrunner

>Podcasts/Videocasts:
http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/157566/android-netrunner-podcasts-metalist
https://www.youtube.com/user/ANRBadPublicity?feature=watch

Try "Why I run", great for prospective Runners looking for a hands-on demo on how Running works (replace the spaces by dots):
www nagnazul com/whyirun/whyirun.html

Last thread: 43575249
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Last thread: >>43575249

Runner Roulette:
Last numbers of your post ID, or a D100

01,02: Cerebral Imaging
03,04: Custom Biotics
05,06: Cybernetics Division
07: Engineering the Future
08,09: Stronger Together
10,11: NEXT Design
12,13: The Foundry
14,15: Chronos Protocol
16,17: Harmony Medtech
18,19: Industrial Genomics
20, 21: Biotech
22: Personal Evolution
23: Replicating Perfection
24,25: Nisei Division
26,27: Tennin Institute
28: Haarpsichord Studios
29,30: Making News
31,32: The World is Yours
33: Near-Earth Hub
34,35: New Angeles Sol
36,37: Spark Agency
38,39: SYNC
40,41: Argus Security
42: Blue Sun
43,44: Gagarin Deep Space
45,46: GRNDL
47,48: Titan Transnational
49,50: Because We Built It
51,52: Building a Better World
53,54: Edward Kim
55,56: MaxX
57: Noise
58,59: Quetzal
60,61: Reina Roja
62: Valencia
63,64: Whizzard
65: Andromeda
66,67: Geist
68,69: Gabe
70,71: Stirling
72,73: Tenma
74,75: Fisk
76: Leela
77,78: Silhouette
79,80: CT
81,82: Exile
83,84: Hayley
85: Kate
86,87: Nasir
88,89: Kit
90,91: Professor
92,93: Apex
94,95: Adam
96,97: Sunny
98: a corp deck built around a card you've never used before
99: a runner deck built around a card you've never used before
00: draft deck
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>>43608928
Will Andromeda once again be the only runner ID after this card is out?
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>>43608957
Rollan
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>>43608978
No, Valencia 1st, Andromeda 2nd.
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>>43608978
Basically.
In an attempt to make other ID's viable, they've reversed the ground they made in criminal diversity. Kinda.
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>>43608978
I assume you mean"Only Crim ID" since you have to stay in-faction with Rebirth.
But the answer is yes.
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>>43609013
>implying anyone plays something other than criminal

Oh wait this is the future where suddenly everyone plays anarch and kate
How did I get heeeereeeeeee
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>>43609088
No worries, Valencia -> Noise/Whizzard/Kim.
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>>43609088
Uh, yeah? Sorry if your sarcasm was lost, but that's kind of exactly the situation were in.
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>>43609155
Professor -> ???
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>>43609155
So would that just be standard "Tag Me DLR" that can gain an extra ability, or a 50-card Whizzed deck?
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>>43609155
>>43609203
Valencia starts with 1 BP, which is kinda already better than Whizzard's ability, so you're probably rather going with Kim or Quetzal.
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>>43609264
>Not trashing PADs for free
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>>43609172
I'm from the past, two years ago.
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>>43609264
I love the idea, but it's a 1-of, untutorable card in a 50 card deck. You'd better make sure you can still win without swapping ID
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>>43609371
Oh my God, I have to warn you about so many things!
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>>43608978
Well, crim is still fairly shit in the current meta, so no. But I do think most Andromeda decks in the future will play a Rebirth.
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>>43609434

I"m not convinced. Andromeda goes for fairly specialized builds, which may coincide on a lot of ground with other in faction IDs, but will differ significant enough that you cant just take a deck built for Andy and swap any other ID and make it work perfecty. I don't thin so anyway.

Are people willing to bet on hybridized builds for a one trick pony ?

The card is fun, is going to make for crazy game stories, but I don't see the competitive scene/optimizing players ever taking more than a passing liking to it. Though it does offer interesting swaps in Crim (Nero for early game aggression into Gabe or Stirling I think is more like it)
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>>43610141
The reason why it fits so well in Andy is that she can draw it for you pretty early (20% chance of having it in starting hand), and you don't lose anything by playing it since Andy is blank once the game has started. Pretty much the only reason not to play it in Andy is if all of your influence is tied in essential cards. Few one inf cards provide as much power as an ID.
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>>43610389
>The reason why it fits so well in Andy is that she can draw it for you pretty early (20% chance of having it in starting hand

Understood. But as I said:
>Are people willing to bet on hybridized builds for a one trick pony ?

Are you willing to build a deck that will perform worse with Andy so just in case you manage to swap ID early, or a deck that won't really be as good with the swapped ID for the sake of when you won't be able to swap ?
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>>43610464
It's a 0 cost 1 inf event. You don't need to build around the new ability - just take something like Gabe's ability, which is just generically good.
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>>43610464
The thing is, you don't build a hybrid deck, you build an Andy deck and include it as a card that gives you a few new upgrades. The only reason not to run it is if you're really hard-up for influence or card space.
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>>43610464
Why would you need to make a hybrid deck? Sure, you won't be able to take as much advantage of the new ID as if you had built a deck specifically for it, but you don't need to. Just make an Andy deck as you would normally do, except you put Rebirth in it, then switch to what ever ID provides the greatest advantage at the time. Behind on points and need money? You're Iain now. Need to slow down FA? Bam, Leela. Playing against shell game PE? Switch to Silhouette. Corp isn't protecting their HQ? Go Gabe. The only downside of switching out of Andy is potentially losing link. You're still running the same rig as before, except now you have an ID ability that does something during the game.
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>>43610464
If you include it, you build like Jinteki Biotech, with your alternative IDs in mind - you might have to go somewhat more generic, but that's the price for flexibility.

Andy being so generic means that you don't really lose much by not being her - she can play pretty much any crim deck decently, save for perhaps Ken and Geist

While you Iain deck might lose a little from not being him right from the start, you gain +4 influence and an explosive start - a fair trade, for the few times when Rebirth is buried at the bottom of your stack.

It's also not really a one trick pony - you can be any runner, so if HQ is weak you can be Gabe, if lots of things remain unrezzed you can be Leela etc.
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>>43610810
Now I think about it, Ian is probably the best one for this. That or leela - logos is perfect for comboing with this.
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>>43610889
I think it's better to turn INTO Iain than to start as him.
Basically you start as Andromeda then once you drew or logos'd your rebirth, if the corp is shell game heavy, turn into silhuette, if HQ is unprotected for some reason, turn into gabe, if the corp is at 6 points, turn into Iain.

Same if you're the Prof. If you start with a decoder, money, rebirth in your starting hand, time to become Kit.
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>>43608957
Roll'n
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>>43611453
Yeah, that's what I mean. Usual Ian shell in Andy, grab rebirth with logos, carry on as usual.
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>>43608957
Let's see what I'm bringing to the next GNK.
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Rolled 72 (1d99)

>>43608957
Why is dice not working
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>>43610464

Hmm, I suppose you'll choose 9/10 to be Gabe
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>>43611946
Yeah, 2 extra credits everytime you Siphon is pretty sweet.
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>>43611841
You don't even need an Iain shell. Just morph into Iain if you're behind and you want the dough. I think we're all pretty used to identifying decks with their IDs for good reason, but the only reason we don't play Andy decks in Stirling is the influence.
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The question is whether it's worth taking logos over desperado in Andy specifically to enable rebirth
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Rolled 99 (1d100)

>>43608957
Rolling
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>>43608957

Rolling

Pls no Andy
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I haven't played Netrunner for a while... is that card real? Seams ridiculous, like a fan made card. Is that the state of the game right now?
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>>43613869
It's an upcoming card, likely in half a year.
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>>43613869
No, it's a card coming out in the 5th pack of the next cycle, so it's not here yet.

What do you mean by "Is that the state of the game right now?"?
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>>43613869
The state of the game right now is actually pretty balanced (although FFG keeps hating Weyland) favoring Anarchs, NBN and HB, while Criminals, Jinteki and Weyland fall behind in terms of popularity
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>>43613869
Meanwhile Kate is Kate
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Man, the first pre-orders of the Worlds of Android book can be made, but the shipping is just outrageous, and god forbid you not live in the US - Canada is looking at $30, and shipping to yurop is more than the price of the premium edition book, including prints.

The fuck, ffg?
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>>43614463
Yeah, but I pre-ordered anyways. That mat and those prints are just so damn sexy. Except for the lady at the bar. That one is just out of place.
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>>43614604
You kidding? That's the best. Media manipulation, tv ratings, and unlimited access to personal information. Lily Lockwell at her finest.
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>>43614704
But thematically it doesn't fit with the others.
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>>43614755
Look at the color and themes.
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>>43614771
One of these does not fit the others
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>>43614797
For completeness
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>>43614797
This is a movie reference (or homage) so one could say that it doesn't fit with the rest.
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>>43614604
They are, but there's no way I could justify that shipping cost, not being in the US - I'll just go for the book when it gets the normal release

The Lily Lockwell print is the weakest, but it's still okay - it's just that it's card art, and it shows in being just a little worse than the full pieces specially made for the book.
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>>43614604
I think the 4 prints depicts 4 elements that makes Android:

>>43614755
The megastructures.

>>43614771
The Net

>>43614797
The droids

>>43614862
The media manipulation (in case somebody haven't noticed, the feedcam says LIVE but she's standing right there in front of you)
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>>43615042
>in case somebody haven't noticed, the feedcam says LIVE but she's standing right there in front of you
Oh that's neat - she's mentioned in the first page of the rulebook as often "appearing" when it's clearly not her

"Over the course of 18 hours, the runners hit Jinteki, Haas-Bioroid, and Weyland Consortium with DOS attacks, datatheft, and a truly vulgar piece of cyber-vandalism. These attacks cost each megacorp millions upon millions of credits. NBN put together a holo-report inside half an hour. Thirty minutes after the third megacorp node went dark, Lily Lockwell was standing in front of the Beanstalk gravely lecturing on the evils of unregulated networks and the rise of cybercrime worldwide. Five minutes later, the runners had struck again; now Lockwell was reading out the Anarch’s Manifesto. They hadn't bothered to make her lips synch with the new audio track. One in three feeds got a special bonus: Lockwell’s head grafted onto a sense-star’s scantily-clad body."

"The talking heads said it was a legion of organized cybercriminals, Tri-Maf activity, Martian terrorists. They were wrong. It was three people–a g-mod from Heinlein, a cyborg New Angelino, and a baseline woman from BosWash–who knew one another by reputation only. But the heads were right about one thing: it was the start of a cyber war, one that neither side could afford to lose."

Probably part of why she has the Character subtype
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>>43615207
>One in three feeds got a special bonus: Lockwell’s head grafted onto a sense-star’s scantily-clad body."
Hah, that's something worth watching.

She also appears in the first Android game, she's a secondary character in the free fall novel, and she's briefly mentioned in the Golem novel too.
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>>43615385
I've heard she's in Strange Flesh as well, but I've not read that.
How's Golem, and the rest of that trilogy?
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>>43616383
I read through Strange Flesh, but I don't remember Lockwell there.
If she appeared it must be only in a tiny scene.
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So we've seen a three neutral influence corp card. What would a three inf neutral for runner have to do to be worth playing?
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>>43617243
An AI breaker that's not actually an AI.
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>>43617278
So Sage, but also a killer?
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>>43617243
Wyrm.
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>>43619639
I wish Wyrm wasn't an AI so I could stick it onto Dinosaurus.
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>>43620743

Is this another metaphor that describes one of you runner type's disgusting, deviant practices ?
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>>43621223
What isn't?
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>>43620743
You wouldn't.. would you?
I prefer to stack Personal Touchs and finally NRE.
No dead draws this way,

Hayley Kaplan: Universal Scholar

Hardware (17)
2x Bookmark
3x Clone Chip
3x LLDS Processor
1x Net-Ready Eyes
3x R&D Interface
2x Replicator
3x The Personal Touch

Resource (9)
3x Armitage Codebusting
2x Kati Jones
2x London Library
2x Professional Contacts

Icebreaker (11)
3x Atman
3x Chameleon
1x Deus X
1x Femme Fatale •
1x Sharpshooter
2x Wyrm ••••

Program (8)
1x D4v1d ••••
2x Datasucker ••
2x Parasite ••••
3x Self-modifying Code

15 influence spent (max 15)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Universe of Tomorrow

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.
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>>43621241
With Wyrm, you can run all 3 fixed breakers and never worry about getting locked out due to purging sucker tokens!
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>>43621241

Been wanting to play something like that for a while, but between my experimentations with Criminal, and testing the new mini-factions, I still haven't gotten around doing it.

How do you feel it plays ?
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>>43614156

Power Shutdown and Housekeeping are definitely top tier cards, but I really want something on the scale of All Seeing I to fuck over hardware.

Because fuck PPKate and fuck anyone who uses her.
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>>43621278

Obligatory.
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>>43621309
Horribly, I just put it together to highlight the "Personal Touchs in Wyrm" point. But I feel it is low econ, MU struggling, and grip flooding. Bookmark is going to help on the last part, and goes pretty well with ProCon.
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>>43617243
Which card was this?
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>>43621376
It's a 4 cost operation that lets you find any number of any card.
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>>43621241
I think I could drop Wyrm and personal touch for another D4v1d and extra econ. The Chameleons+LLDS will do all the heavy work to get datasucker back. Replicators are gone too for extra MU.
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>>43621394
Whaaaaaaat
I thought that card was HB
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>>43621523
Look closely, it looks HB because it's on a production line, but it's neutral.
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What do you think of this guys? Too confusing?
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>>43622751
The Ambush bit isn't that helpful - flatlining could probably be explained better while saving the information about ambushes specifically until later
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>>43622874
Thanks, I wanted to show a dychotomy between the agendas and the ambushes, but I guess it was too much to show it in the first episode.
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>>43622751
Explaining flatlining to new players might be a good time to introduce ICE. "Here's Neural Katana. If the Runner encounters this during a run and can't break its subroutines, he could die if he has two or fewer cards in hand. How did the Runner encounter this? How can he break subroutines? Welcome to the biggest part of Netrunner!"
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>>43623008
I think I'd use pic related - "this card does damage - each damage trashes a card from the runner's hand. If a runner takes more damage than they have cards in hand they are flatlined and lose"

Maybe also
"there are 3 types of damage - meat and net, which are separated only by the cards that deal and block them, and brain, which also applies a permanent reduction to hand size for every brain damage taken"
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>>43622751
I always see these people in the jinteki chat asking for how to learn netrunner and I always wonder, why not just read the rulebook.
Do you really think it'll be better if you take the rulebook and just add "hello, I'm wyrm" to it?
Well okay to be honest I like that addition.
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>>43622751
Btw I think you sorta forgot to directly say that runner health = cards in hand.
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>>43623093
>>43623131
Thanks, I think I'll go with the idea of getting rid of the Ambush part and replace it with something else. Probably explaining what is a Run and how it relates to the accessing of agendas and stealing.

I'm thinking of dividing this in 5 episodes:
1- Win conditions
2- Basic Actions, economy, and advancing cards.
3- The Run, ICE, accesing when things go right.
4- Damage, when things go wrong.
5- Something else, I don't know. Timing windows? Starting hand, credits, MU? Hand size and mulligan?

>>43623546
Totally, people just get intimidated by big chunks of text and just want to start playing. Keeping it short and friendly ease, like in a comic book, ease the way for the basic concepts to reach the reader.

>>43623603
Yeah, I was running out of space and forgot about it. In the Damage episode I will have plenty of space for it (I guess).
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>>43623953
Tags, traces, bad publicity?
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>>43621551
What sort of shenanigans would you pull with this I wonder - the cost and influence seem pretty prohibitive, but the effect is pretty damn powerful

It's the influence cost that's making me scratch my head the most - to see this regularly you're cutting out a lot of out of faction options
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>>43625940
All Punitives, All Scorched, All Traffic Accident.
I can only think in flatlines.
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>>43625940

I was wondering about it in that Titan Atlas train deck myself. It's a very Weyland risk all/take all approach.

>>43622751

This made my evening.
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>>43627165

(For your information, I'll continue with that stupid Atlas train joke until someone laughs... not a smile, a full fledged laugh !)
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>>43627455
What's the joke?
other than Weyland :(
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>>43627489

You tutor at once the three cards you would normally each use to tutor another copy (Project Atlas).

Yeah, well it's not funny when you have to explain it !

Pffffffffff...

(It's not ike my jokes suck or anything)
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I see a lot of Corp decklists that have roughly equal numbers of Barriers, Code Gates, and Sentries, but I also see a lot of decklists where the ICE is almost all of one type.

What process does a Corp player go through, to decide what kind of balance their ICE should have? What makes you decide to make most of your ICE one type?
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>>43628079
Balanced is good, balanced means the runner will have to get all 3 breakers more sooner than later.
Leaning towards one of the types focus on exhausting resources of some kind, either by program trashing with Batty/Keegan, or exhausting D4v1d tokens, taxing the fuck out of corroder. Just some examples of the top of my head.
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>>43628235
Remember also multisub taxing lad counters on Barriers.
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>>43628263
And Faust!
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>>43628079
the toppest tier runner decks are usually calibrated to deal with 5-10 SPECIFIC ice they're likely to encounter across all decks, ones with the most effective subs, tax/rez ratio, etc. as those ice change, or as people recognize weaknesses in those suites, ice tends to shift around

the most popular decks don't really have the best ways to deal with sentries, which is why most of the decks in top 16 at worlds ended up being HB decks with a lot of them.
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Say /tg/, I have space camp unrezzed, the runner checks it, doesn't trash it. Then during my turn I install something else over it to trash it (face down). Turns later Team Sponsorship trigger and I install the Space Camp again. With a bunch of facedown cards in the archives. Do I have to tell the runner that it was the aforementioned Space Camp? Or is it a mystery like with Jackson?
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>>43628818
no.

even though he does know what your facedown card was because he accessed it, it never enters the state of being rezzed, so it is not trashed face up and it's existence is not open information.

the rules also state that archives does not need to be kept in order, so it's perfectly feasible to shuffle/shell game it.
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>>43628891
Nice, thank you.
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I need degenerate deck ideas and what they do (other than noise and glacier)
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>>43629580
Degenerate deck ideas? Glacier and Noise? I don't know what do you mean by degenerate and how it relates to Noise and Glacier.
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>>43629618
Run force of nature in shaper, use spinal modem, Eureka it out.
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>>43629618
A card or strategy can be called degenerate when it leads the game as a whole towards degeneracy. Perfect degeneracy is a hypothetical state of any card game in which the systems of interactions between a player and the opposing player(s), the opposing player(s)' cards, and the player's own cards are reduced to perfect meaninglessness.

An example is how Noise sits there spamming viruses to mill you, and then goes on a glory run to try and take you out in a matter of a few turns, or on a good run, in one turn. Glacier sits there idly throwing down gross amounts of ice so that the opponent never runs on them without wasting a massive amount of resources, to get maybe only one or two agendas in the end.
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>>43629761
>A card or strategy can be called degenerate when it leads the game as a whole towards degeneracy.

So Sunny qualifies?
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>>43629761
Glacier doesn't sit there idly throwing ICE until it's ready to score, that would make them incredibly vulnerable to legwork and other forms of agenda flood. Winning with 2 agendas was impossible (except for NBN) until Vanity Project was released, and winning with 3 is actually the usual.
I don't know if you're misunderstanding how degeneracy works, or how to play Netrunner, but I guess any Scorched/Punitive deck is also, by your own description of Glacier and Noise, degenerate, just sitting back getting money and combo pieces until he steals an agenda to obliterate him.
Keep in mind though, there is always counters, and there is always silver bullets.
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Okay, I get how mill decks are big right now, based on this, Fall Guy, and Wireless Net Pavilion.

What I don't get is why Valencia is the best runner for this strategy.
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>>43631831
Mostly because of blackmail and because the BP protects you from all seeing I, I suppose.
You can play it in in other runners, too.
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>>43631979
Is increasing your deck size and sacrificing the use of your identity beyond game start worth saving clicks to draw and install Activist Support?
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>>43632092

All Seeing I.

That's it. The whole point of the strat is that you can can make your rig out of trashing-reach long enough to mill as many cards as possible.

The corp being able to trash all of it for one click and one credit basically kills it in its tracks.

Worth the 5 cards more, especially now we have street peddlers an decent draw in faction.

Even then, the best mill deck are going to run. They need to put the pressure on you to make you spend. That bad pub is going to be put to some use early game.
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>>43632765
Man, it's hard enough to guarantee you draw All-Seeing I when there's a high chance it'll get milled away. Valencia makes it worse. I'm just gonna play Foodcoats and say screw it.
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Since Matt Zeilinger is our default runner ID artist? (DND, outside of deluxe and core)

What would Apex look like if it was drawn by Matt instead of Liiga?
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>>43636130
Singleton Lily Lockwell is a good way to double down on either Psychographics, All Seeing I or Closed Accounts in NBN.
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>>43636362
But you need tags first. And if you're NBN, a good player will never float tags if they can help it.
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>>43632765

It's absolutely not just All-Seeing-I protection. Valencia lets you play Blackmail, which helps you to threaten remotes as well as guaranteeing you can get into a central later on to install your DLR, if you don't get it early.
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>>43637188

I could actually see Lily potentially making it into Haarp two agenda kill. If you put it on San-San or (god forbid) put it down a turn early, you can score it and use one of the tags to tutor with her. Go find your 24/7 News Cycle, Scorch or Traffic Accident for next turn.
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>>43637702

Yes, as I was saying:
> the best mill deck are going to run. That bad pub is going to be put to some use early game.
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>>43637702

enjoy my neural EMP next turn
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If 'cannot' trumps 'can', what happens if they print a card that says you may deal meat damage to the Runner, even if you can't? Ie, to get past Paparazzi.
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>>43638599

They wouldn't do that. "Cannot be prevented" is precedent, like Character Assassination or Stimhack. It would override Paparazzi.
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>>43638599
The card exists, look up Flare in netrunnerdb.
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>>43638638
Oh, my bad, I thought Paparazzi was worded as Runner may not suffer from meat damage.

Well then, how about this. A Runner card that lets you prevent brain damage that would otherwise not be prevented a la Stimhack?
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>>43638914
So feedback filter and stimhack? Can't prevent the brain damage with it. Are you asking if a card was printed that says "The runner cannot take brain damage"? No idea, they probably wouldn't print such a card.
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With all this talk about DLR decks I'm starting to miss the days when Au Revoir decks were considered a menace.

Au Revoir decks!
It's almost laughable now.
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>>43639420
Au Revoir was never good.
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>>43640459
But three credits a click!
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>>43640459
THREE CREDITS A CLICK!!!!
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>>43639420
Au Revoir with Jak Sinclair, The Turning Wheels and the new Criminal with his console.

You think Au Revoir is over?

It hasn't even started yet.
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>>43641117
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>>43640498
>>43640936
Three credits a click after four installs, taking up 4 memory.

>>43641117
you can't use snitch with Jak
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>>43638465

66% chance and that's under the assumption I'm running last click AND have no drug dealer's out.

So, don't be a bad player and I'll be fine against NEMP.
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>>43608957
rolling
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>>43645383
It might not kill you, but hell, it hurts.
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>>43645383

if you want to cripple your deck with Drug Dealer, be my guest
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>>43639420
I still love Au Revoir. Whenever I see a new card, I ask myself whether or not it'll make Au Revoir better. Sunny breakers + Au Revoir!

Though, personally I wonder what Lukas intended when he designed it.
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>>43645574
I don't know, Drug Dealer is a great source of draw for criminals. Just because you drain one doesn't mean it's rubbish. It's rubbish if your econ sucks or you're out of cards.
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>>43646426
>its rubbish when your econ sucks
Quite the opposite, its best when youre at 0 credits
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>>43646663
Sure, but unless you're Nasir, you can't really pressure the Corp. Card draw means nothing if the Corp hits 7 first. You need multiples to use Faust.
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The way I see it, the unprepared Corp has two ways to respond to this card:

1) put ALL THE ICE in front of R&D
2) click to draw once per turn, meaning that they'll eventually have to discard cards unless they install or play two events this turn.

The first strategy means that every server besides R&D will be less protected (not to mention you'll know if an ambush comes up), while the second means you have more time to build your rig, plus you have a better chance of getting lucky in HQ or Archives.

How would a Corp prepare against this card being used against it, though? Also, are there any Runner cards besides Adjusted Chronotype that really synergize with this card?
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>>43647595
>How would a Corp prepare against this card being used against it, though?
Anything that shuffles the deck helps "jamming their radar", like Jackson Howard and EBC. Also ICE like Shiro, Architect, and Yagura. And in a lesser way, precognition.
Another way is just place Caprice in there and shut him off completely.

The best way to deal with it is totally getting rid of it, now that DLR is so feared, finding ways to trash resources is almost a must. Corporate Town, Tags, Freelancer. Since it's virtual you can also use Foxfire.
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>>43647595
1) Chronos Protocol Rigshooter
2) Spark taxation

Even if they know the agenda's on top of R&D, they might not necessarily have the resources to get it.
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>install FIRS on Breaker Bay Grid
>host Worlds Plaza on FIRS
>host IT Department on FIRS
>Install Ash
>host the Root, Daily Business Show and Sundew on Worlds Plaza
>pray nobody plays Singularity
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>>43648078
Information is a large part of the game, but information is useless if it can't be leveraged. To leverage on information, you need resources and tools.

Resources: Cards, credits, clicks.
Tools: Icebreakers, bypass cards, DDOS style stuff.

There are many routes of denial in this game.
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>>43647595

This card makes me wish there was an R&D Pheromones.
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>>43641994
You are right, you can't use Snitch with Jak Sinclair, but Au Revoir still works because it's not a "may" so you aren't "using" it.
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>>43647595
>Also, are there any Runner cards besides Adjusted Chronotype that really synergize with this card?

Central only breakers. I'm going to try it out in crim (probably Andromeda, so I can get 1 link free and roll out Rabbit Hole or Dyson Chips on my first turn to get to 2) and let you guys know how it goes.
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>>43651475
True, but how are you planning to jack out then? Just rely on the corp being kind and leaving open servers or a sentry as the outermost ice so that you can use the ID?
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>>43652086
DDoS? or don't run.

I'm not saying it's good, just halfway decent.
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>>43648423
I imagine trying to run on that server might cause gigantic nausea to the runner, because they are suddenly at 4 different locations at ones: Root, Plaza, Breaker Bay, and FRIS.
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>>43652904
>go out to Breaker Bay for a Beach Party
>meet Miss Mills
>suddenly it's Ash at the Root
>Caprice in the Worlds Plaza

I'll go with Whizzard in SanSan with the candlestick for 10, Alex.
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>>43648423
Man, an Ash unit and a top level HB IT department in what's ostensibly just a breaker bay sensie studio?
That seems suspicious as hell.

Given that studio has a direct link to the Worlds Plaza's Root exhibition, business news centre and a Jinteki greenhouse, all bringing in a ton of money, data and coordination I guess that sort of protection makes sense, but I agree that trying to hack it would leave you bouncing around terribly
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>>43653324
Actually, FIRS makes a hell of a scoring server. Stick IT Dept on first, then slowroll your agendas. Pretty hard to get through without infinite amounts of Davids.
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>>43653324
The cyberspace probably looks very stretched and twisted inside that server. As if you just walked into someone's adobe photoshop of all those locations being jammed together.
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>>43653506
Yeah, it looks like it could be pretty good for that - do benefits from regions (BBG's discount, Oaktown's increased trash cost) apply to hosted cards as well?
And do cards hosted on cards hosted on FIRS count for it?

Hence the Weyland salt

>>43653516
Long "distance" travel inside small spaces is pretty normal in cyberspace, but that one does seem like it'd be pretty trippy - with the sensie tech it'd be a bit inception-like: "you're in breaker bay, now you're at worlds plaza, now you're at the root", as you bounce from one to the other
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>>43653597
Regions apply to all the cards in the server, so yes. But cards hosted on cards hosted on FIRS do not increase FIRS trash cost as they are not hosted on FIRS directly.
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>>43653745
Ah, nice, and good to see FIRS can't go crazy with WP/itself.

While a little awkward to play, that makes a FIRS on oaktown pretty amazing - fully loaded it has a trash cost of 12, and you have to pay 4 to reduce the trash costs of everything else

And oaktown is great with Ash as well
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>>43653830
guys that ain't shit. You can spend all game setting up a server like that, and then the runner plays fucking lucky find + sure gamble and throws your whole game into the fucking toilet.

nevermind their ability to play shit like scrubbers or, god forbid, imp.
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>>43654074
The "god forbid" case is Singularity, but no-one plays that
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>>43654392
Are 3x Singularity a good idea in a MaxX-Eater deck?
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>>43654508
Maybe a 1 of.
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>>43654589
MaxX isn't fond of 1-ofs, but 3 is probably a bit excessive - ask yourself how many times trashing a remote totals more than 4, and decide if you'd rather just have cash instead of a super specific saving
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>>43651169
Too nasty I think - R&D is already the best central, outside of a very HQ focused criminal, making running it even better isn't a good move, to my mind
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Alright Netrunner General. Tell me what is the worst ID in each faction?
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>>43657526
NBN doesn't have one.
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I've been thinking more and more about a second "edition" core set for Netrunner to drop when rotation first hits. One that reprints important cards from the first two cycles in order to keep them in the meta while cycling out problem cards. I think this is a real and necessary possibility for the game, but some important questions come to light when thinking about this. One, do you only reprint cards and therefore existing players have nothing to buy? or do you introduce new cards in order to pull more cash from the existing player base? Some cards need to cycle out with no direct replacement available in the first two cycles making me think that new cards are necessary just from a core set only playability stand point for new players.

Some goals I'd want regardless:
Cheap influence Anarch programs - out
Kate - out
Noise - out
EtF - out
Astroscript - out
Desperado - out
HQ and R&D interface - in
Nerve Agent - in
Project Atlas - in
Jackson equivalent - in (neutral, no influence or neutral one inf)

Any other players have any thoughts or a wishlist?
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>>43657526
Ed Kim, Laramy Fisk, Exile, Custom Biotics, Nisei Division, Because We Built It, The World is Yours*
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>>43657526

Sup, Darren?
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>>43658216

Agreed on the runner side, though Kim being " the worst" of Anarch doesn't make him remotely bad in my opinion.

Exile and Fisk both suffer from the same issue: interesting and potentially powerful ability in a vacuum, but almost inexistent card pool to make use of it.

Corp side I'm a lot more conflicted. Apart from BWBI. I'll play it gladly, but yeah, it's not on par with other IDs.
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>>43658216
I'd say this is pretty accurate. Though you can tell that Anarch and Crim design is much more balanced within faction.
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>>43658366

Yeah, for Jinteki I think a case can be made for Harmony Medtech, Biotech, and Nisei to all be the "worst", and each of them have seen some relative success. As for NBN, the easier answer is to immediately go to Making News, but now that Sync is available I don't see any remaining niche for TWIY. No one played it for the extra card, did they?
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>>43658434
>No one played it for the extra card, did they?

Id did for the Grail/Midway Station deck.

That one was fairly fun and decently good. I think only reason it didn't catch up is how crazy NEH is.
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>>43658169
>HQ and R&D interface - in

There's lot to discuss a bout your other points, but this is the one that grabs me right now.

However much I like them as a runner, I'm kinda glad to see those go comes rotation.

I think the wheel is a decent replacement that repurposes the mutli-access in a more interesting package as far as the game is concerned.

Those are just too good in a way.
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>>43658602
True, I had forgotten about The Turning Wheel. So do we also axe Medium and Nerve Agent?
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>>43658676

I still dig Medium and, to a point, Nerve Agent because of their explosive and interactive nature.

The corp still has the power to purge. And it has that whole "can go from useless to insanely powerful depending on the state of the game" thing.
Let's say I'm more conflicted about those, and if I am it's not so much because of the cards themselves as much as the context of the game right now, the rest of the card pool (If only, something like Medium + DDOS + click boosting cards is just ridiculous)
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>>43658169
Personally, I'd hate for a second edition core set. If they're gonna do that, may as well reboot the game like AGoT. There are many problems with the core, yes, but this is not the right way to fix it.
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Identity
Gagarin Deep Space: Expanding the Horizon (Order and Chaos)

Agenda (8)
1x Government Takeover (Order and Chaos)
2x Oaktown Renovation (Chrome City)
2x Underway Renovation (The Underway)
3x Hollywood Renovation (Old Hollywood)

Asset (7)
1x Plan B (Honor and Profit)
2x Launch Campaign (Data and Destiny)
2x Space Camp (Order and Chaos)
2x Capital Investors (The Valley)

ICE (21)
2x Marker (Double Time) • •
2x Datapike (Creation and Control)
2x Lancelot (First Contact) • •
2x Galahad (Upstalk) • •
2x Merlin (All That Remains) • •
3x Caduceus (What Lies Ahead)
2x Changeling (Up and Over)
2x Lycan (All That Remains)
2x Errand Boy (The Source)
2x Negotiator (The Valley)

Operation (11)
3x Successful Demonstration (Creation and Control) • • •
3x Hedge Fund (Core Set)
2x Fast Track (Honor and Profit)
3x Shipment from Kaguya (Core Set)

Upgrade (2)
2x NeoTokyo Grid (Honor and Profit) •• ••

Is this as stupid as I think it is? Icing up two remotes and HQ and putting the renovations or Plan B into those until you can score Government Takeover?
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>>43659015
Hollywood is a mistake I think. Your only advancables (save plan B) both only occasionally want advancing
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>>43659015

At the very least I'd put some Back Channel.
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>>43660018
Should aybe switch out the Capital Investors for GRNDL Refineries and Errand Boy and Negotiator for some Space-Ice and Ice-Walls/Hadrians?

>>43660107
For what? I don't feel like I want to trash anything I advanced, unless I put in some more advanceable ICE.

Can I post my Runner-deck as well or is there no interested in that?
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>>43659015
I don't believe you have enough econ.

Marker, Datapike and Lycan aren't very good.

No kill option or glacier upgrades like Ash or Caprice or Fast Advance options means your only answer is to score out normally. Combined with your low econ, your scoring remote is likely to be easily contested, and your centrals likely to be locked down.

One remote is hard enough to defend. Two remotes are almost impossible to set up well. It's not a good plan.

Why Fast Track?
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Honestly, it's not much I'm not interested as I'm exhausted and it's hard to focus right now.

I was just thinking Back Channels because if the runner ever uses expose, or just smells the trap, you're down wit that useless over advanced Plan B.

Unless I'm missing something ?
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>>43660239
So taking what I already said in >>43660144 into account I should switch out Marker, Datapike and Lycan and use the slots for some more advanceable stuff? I thought Oaktown would be enough Econ and what if I threw out one Hollywood for Utopia Fragment?

>>43660293
No, you're probably right. To be honest I did not even consider expose-stuff until now.
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>>43658959
The Netrunner rules framework is fine. There are just some problem cards, and most of them are in the core set where they won't rotate.
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Has anyone had success with this?
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>>43662617
One day I'm gonna make a trashy deck just to fry me some runner using that, Brainstorm & Twins.
But for serious play no, not really.
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>>43662711
But why would any runner not jack out after hitting that, out of fear of a komainu?
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>>43662617
Seems like an even weaker Chum, and Chum isn't exactly a superstar already.
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>>43662828
But come on, it's 2 inf, that's way better than one inf!
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>>43662775
Whirlpool>TLDR>TLDR>Janus
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>>43663002
Jokes on you, I was running 3 public sympathies and a box-e
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>>43662775
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>>43658216
Exile > The Professor
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>>43663199
Jokes on you, I'm rezzing a chairmen Hiro.
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I was wondering how one could go about portraying Weyland's destructive capabilities apart from meat damage. How's this?

Doomsday Clock
5c, Weyland, 5 trash
Asset - Nanomachines - Illicit

When you rez Doomsday Clock, take two bad publicity.

At the start of your turn, if you have more installed cards than the Runner, you may trash any number of cards from HQ or installed. If you do so, the Runner must trash an equal number of installed cards or cards from their grip.

"Rickety tickety tock..."
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>>43662617

Sometimes I dream about Offer You Can't Refuse, TLDR, and Janus.

I wake up with a boner, then it recedes, as I realize that I'd have to be swimming in money to make it work.

maybe I'll play base HB with Breaker Bay Grid and 3x Eve 3x Adonis Campaigns
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>>43667237
>>43667237
Unless it's the last point, there is no way any runner would accept against a purple ID with money and unrezzed anything.

I love AOYCR as much as the next guy, but every single time I play it the runner just says "okay" and I'm down 4 credits and countless clicks spent investing in the perfect server.
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>>43668113
>and I'm down 4 credits and countless clicks spent investing in the perfect server.

True enough about the credits, but is building up centrals really lost time? I feel like I lose more of my games to R&D digs than assaults on my remotes.

You also must consider that AOYCR takes one click to score 1 agenda point, which is extremely efficient. If you were to install advance*3 a 1 point agenda (like the great Self Destruct Chips or The Future Is Now) that's essentially 4 clicks, which comes down to 4 credits in cost + 4 credits in lost revenue if you were to just click for money. So 8 credit/clicks. Instead, AOYCR is 4 credits and 1 click, the value of 5 credits. You are essentially leveraging a strong (unknown) position. Or even if it's known, the runner knows that he can't break through a Janus right now, so obviously he's going to allow the +1 point.

Now that I think of it, can we describe AOYCR as a "win more" card? It can't be done without a strong position in the first place, like you mentioned.
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>>43668164
Did you mean to have that picture?
It's pretty amusing, but pretty unrelated.

When we have CARNP Jinteki will be in the kind of odd position of being able to score to 6 with nothing but a ton of cash (why they, of all factions, got this I'm not sure - maybe due to being poor in the first years of the game?) - theoretically this could be done in medtech as well, but I think you'd have to go all-in on access-traps and hope you don't get too many agendas early
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>>43668284
Im guessing jinteki got it because of how much of a big deal it is for them to be on match point where all junebugs suddenly can be winning agendas.
Remember that gencon winning deck with pri req but nothing but cheap ice just to get on matchpoint faster? Oh boy the times before future perfect.
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>>43668919
Jesus, just imagine, clones are not people is active and the corp instal advance advances. Is that a trap or 4 agenda points.
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>>43668945
>be Leela
>Maker's Eye
>steal agenda
>bounce IAA
>trash current
>Legwork
>trash trap/steal agenda
>cry because the above will never happen because criminals are shit
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>>43668945
for fuck's sake niggers run expose
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>>43669165
I'm loving the fuck out of my Silhouette deck. I need a better rig though. Relying on AI for remotes is both dangerous and limited due to Turing being a thing.
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>>43669165
Guess who's one inf?
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I need help. I'm making a deck around the idea of Overmind+LLDS to actually not pay a cent to get in, while Chameleon help going around AI hate.

Chaos Theory: Wünderkind

Event (6)
3x Career Fair •••
3x Scavenge

Hardware (11)
2x Bookmark
2x Box-E ••
3x Clone Chip
3x LLDS Processor
1x Net-Ready Eyes

Resource (11)
3x Armitage Codebusting
3x Data Folding
2x Kati Jones
3x London Library

Icebreaker (8)
3x Chameleon
1x Inti
3x Overmind
1x Pipeline

Program (5)
1x D4v1d ••••
2x Datasucker ••
2x Parasite ••••

15 influence spent (max 15)
41 cards (min 40)
Cards up to The Universe of Tomorrow

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.
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>>43669556
It's not like it can kill you though.
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>>43669556
Guess who can't be install advance advanced?
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24/7 Philotic (49 cards)
Tennin Institute: The Secrets Within

-- Agenda (10 cards)
3 Braintrust
2 Clone Retirement
1 Fetal AI
1 Nisei MK II
1 Philotic Entanglement
2 The Future Perfect

-- Asset (6 cards)
3 Jackson Howard
1 Project Junebug
2 Shi.Kyū

-- ICE (15 cards)
2 Cortex Lock
2 Eli 1.0
2 Enigma
2 Komainu
2 Lotus Field
3 Pup
1 Susanoo-No-Mikoto
1 Swordsman

-- Operation (16 cards)
2 24/7 News Cycle
2 Archived Memories
3 Celebrity Gift
1 Fast Track
3 Hedge Fund
1 Mushin No Shin
2 Restructure
2 Trick of Light

-- Upgrade (2 cards)
2 Caprice Nisei

I had this silly idea of using 24/7 to trigger a Philotic, and I ended up with this. Thoughts?
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>>43669348
Inside job it, or if you reckon you can do centrals well enough Quest it.
I wonder, can Silhouette get enough cash quickly enough to run Beckman?
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>>43662617
I've had as much success with it as I could ask, how much more impact do you your want out of your 1 to rez ice? Had a wierd game where it was the the only ice on HQ with 2 archangels in hand, runner face checked it and didn't hit anything in hand, so followed up with a legwork and sucked up 3 traces for his efforts.
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>>43670083
Yeah, I already play inside job with it. Also considering DDOS to double down on it.

The best Criminals can do to get cash quickly is either some combo of Dirty Laundry into SecTest or Bank Job, or Account Siphon. Neither is stable enough for Beckman though.
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>>43674244
It is super pretty and I am envious of the people who had a chance to get the playmat.
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>>43669765
I'd add clone retirement to serve as great sacraficial agenda for 24/7.
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>>43669765
>I had this silly idea of using 24/7 to trigger a Philotic, and I ended up with this. Thoughts?

Nah it's a good idea. Terminal7 talked about this on their last podcast, IIRC.

Since Philotic triggers off agendas in the runner's score area, you might consider doing black tree Jinteki and just leaving 1 pointers out there for them to steal. Maybe load up some News Teams and Shi Kyu as well because they count toward Philotic.
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>>43674923
Doesn't Philotic count Agenda points though?
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>>43674986
No.
Or they would draw cards from Shi.Kyu.
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>>43662617

I have had success with not putting the card in my deck.
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>>43674986

Nope, Philotic is # of cards in the runner's score area.

Additionally, Philotic works off a trashed Chairman Hiro. You'd be throwing away 2 points though, but on the bright side, it actually opens the window for a scored Philotic by reducing hand size by 2.

It would take a master Jinteki player to pull off that window. The prerequisite to be a master Jinteki player is to have balls the size of a tanuki.
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>>43669765
>>43675094

Made my black tree version of your deck

People with fewer balls can do Gila instead of Profiteering. I just think Profiteering works with Clone Retirement really well.
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>>43675236

ah shit, I think I need space for Fast Track
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I'm also trying a core jinteki version of that deck, but I have no idea about the ice and not sure if it's enough econ.
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>>43675356

Just narrowly lost against Faust Gabe on Jinteki.net with mine. S/he was accepting the -1 on Shi Kyu twice, avoided my News Teams, and Fisk Seminar'd me to death. I think I had 5 agendas in hand at one point, but Account Siphon prevented me from pushing out the Philotic. I Fast Tracked Philotic and it would have done 7 net damage (lol) but I had no money, even with 2 scored Profiteering for 30 free credits.

I'm not sure if black tree is best anymore. Tennin would be good for advancement counters on the runner's ID, but I don't think Jinteki.net supports that (?). Ice Wall takes up 3 influence so I can erase that and add 3 Jackson if I did Tennin. Or I could remove a News Team and another card and try 2x Jackson.

From my experience most runners take the -1 point instead of the tags from News Team, unless they're playing the boring Valencia Paparazzi Pavilion deck. Shi-Kyu is effective in all cases, and especially against the Solitaire Val because she doesn't want to lose combo pieces.

So in summary, I think Philotic silliness is strong against Anarch and Shaper, but Criminal has an edge (also Drug Dealer). We're playing in a global meta of "lol criminal" so it might be the best time to partake in these hijinks.
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>>43675015
I am not sure if I understand what you mean by that.
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>>43676346
If Philotic did damage equal to runner agenda points, it would do -1 damage when the runner has nothing but a Shi.Kyu scored.
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>>43676433
So they draw a card. Seems like a normal Netrunnner ruling to me.
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>>43676677

Yes, but re-read Philotic.
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>>43676677
Nonono. 1 damage = put card from your hand on top of your heap. Therefore -1 damage = put top card of your heap into your hand.
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>>43675864
There was a new ruling with the tennin ID. You can't put the advancement counters on the ID's because they are not installed.
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>>43678357
Also you can't Trick of Light from IDs since Trick of Light requires installed cards.
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What's a list of good decks that I could look into? Also jank is greatly appreciated.
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>>43679141
http://netrunnerdb.com/en/decklists/popular
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In the category I lost, but that was one hell of a beautiful bluff from the corp: I'm playing Geist against an Argus with hell of a scoring server, but relatively light remotes. Corp trashed half my breaker suite and one of my two Clone Chip via Underway Renovation. It's late in the game, and I only have my grip left, everything else is in the heap.

There's an Agenda that has been sitting on Glenn station for 5 turns, Corp takes it and install. I'm at two point from wining, and I know the corp plays Government Takeover so I'm using all my tricks left (breaks and entering suite, remaining clone chip, Inside Job from a Same Old thing I had kept in hand, taking traces against my Link... make into the server in extremis... It's a Chronos Project. Corp proceeds to install and score the Government Takeover during the next few turns in that now inaccessible server while I frantically try to dig that last point from R&D.

Well played.

>>43679141

What kind of decks are you interested in/looking for ? There's plenty of deck you can check at http://netrunnerdb.com/ for a start.
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>>43679141

I've been playing 5 Agenda Cybernetics Division with Mushin, Vanity Project, and Food, and it's been hella fun. Creating a Mushin server turn one, then going to game point turn 2 is a delightful feeling.
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>>43679141
IMO, the best decks are those not posted in any site. Decks that people at your local FLGS put together to try some crazy thing.
Try this >>43608957
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>>43608957
Roll because why not
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>>43678533
>>43678357

Ah, thanks for the update. Didn't know
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>>43680540
What's your econ spread like? I assume you have Punitive, right?
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Rolled 93 (1d100)

>>43608957
rolling for my next deck
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>>43608957
Rollan rollan rollan
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>>43687559
Nice to see it in full size and with colour - here's an annotated version
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>>43687766

Thanks, think I missed it if it was already posted.
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>>43662617
this card is a soft etr, but it doesn't do anything by itself. why play this when you can play archangel, a soft ETR that actually taxes?

SEE ALSO: rsvp
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I have yet to play as, or against, Apex, but is Jinteki its worst matchup with all the net damage?
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>>43688727

RSVP does something on its own: the runner is unable to pay to trash accessed cards. Or to even access them in Gagarin.

Which is why in a vacuum I'd prefer RSVP over tl:dr.

That being said, I'm really conflicted about tl;dr for one reason: it's only really useful with high number of subroutines, low level of STR ICE, the easiest ones to get rid off via Parasite, funking up your entire painstakingly built server.
On that front I prefer CHUM to be honest.

Still, hilarious card. Will totally play it.

>>43689233

Not necessarily given Heartbeat. But yeah, you can give Apex a run for its money.
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>>43687559
>>43687766
Is this mars?
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>>43689388

I'm probably overstating things about tl;dr given bioroid ICE.
But then I'm not much of an HB player.
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>>43689388
like i said, a soft etr. it is easy to break, so what did it really add? nothing, and it doesn't punish the runner for hitting it either unless they foolishly continue on with the run, which any intelligent person wouldn't
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>>43689556
>so what did it really add?

Taxation if not broken ? Sure you can still break through that tl:dr -> spiderweb server with only your Corroder out, but at 3 creds* a pop more per run it may not be good balance for your pacing.

I'm tempted to play it with NBN grail/Midway grid.

*: one more than if Chum, but spending influence on it if you're NBN.
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>>43689642
it's not taxation if not broken, because the runner can simply eat the sub and jack out. sure they spent a click, but every run spends a click.

i'm just saying sure you CAN do it, but it's nowhere near as effective as you think it is.
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>>43689701
>it's nowhere near as effective as you think it is.

What part of

>Still, hilarious card. Will totally play it.

made you make the mental jump to "effective" ? Especially after all I said *against* the card.

>it's not taxation if not broken,

If it's not broken, and the runner jacks out, it's a one credit gear check ETR. If the runner want to go through it anyway, it's a welcome added tax. If it's broken it's better added tax than a Quandary for the same cost, with the caveat that it's positional.

Either way it plays its role.

It's not revolutionary, but it's fairly playable and it's going to make for some interesting/enjoyable board states at times (say, a tl;dr -> Galahad remote with a Blacklist the runner has to run in order to recur a decoder, for one).

In my book, potentially interesting beats invariably efficient at all times.
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>>43616383
Golem was not bad. Nothing amazing, but it does give a good introduction to the world of ANR, and it develops like a police procedural.
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>>43647919
>warning big red button
>These reaction images are so good they illustrate themselves!
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>>43674244
That is the only beautiful card playmat I have ever seen in my life. Goddamn.
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>>43687559
>>43687766
Wow, that is an amazing diagram.
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>>43691183

As with all promotional play mats, I do wish you could get it without all the writing on top.

Spoils the thing really.
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