Sphinx's Rev for 15 Edition
What are you building/playing/brewing?
What are you excited for from BFZ and hope for from Gatewatch?What happens if everything is countered and they rev for 15?
>>43599102
>chasm stalker
>preordain
>1 flooded strand
>DREAD FUCKING STATUARY
shit build, would not take to modern FNM.
Just let the thread die.
>>43599102
i do declare that we must simply let this meme die my good fellow.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gw-collected-bears-2/
Well, since I can't find the real Modern General thread, and I legitimately need help with this build...
>>43600154
This is the real mg thread my friend, I'm afraid the old one is gone. Welcome to 4chan
I'll take a look at your deck and get back to you, just give me a minute.
>>43600154
Okay, so. What help do you need with this? It looks like a decent build, are you just looking for suggestions or is there a specific matchup you have problems with?
>>43600154
So what's the matter with it?
Personally i'd rather play little kid junk or collected chord, but this looks fine.
>>43600154
Okay, I found one real problem that sticks out to me. You do realize that you can't tap Horizon Canopy for colorless, right? Every time you tap it, it hurts.
>>43600154
Thalia doesn't like CoCo as much as you with she would.
>>43601204
Yeah I'm aware. I've thought about using Brushland instead, actually.
I'm just looking for general advice, things I may have missed or not thought of in deck construction.
>>43599102
I really hate the rev for 15 meme. It's so dumb
>>43600154
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gw-collected-bears-2/
more thalias/vryn wingmare. Mirran crusader should really be in the sideboard, its only situationally good and it dies to bolt AND path. swords aren't very good in modern, especially in a company deck where it could be another creature.
>Playing
TarmoTwin. I've never had more fun playing a deck, it's just got everything.
>Building
Just got my set of goyfs, so I'm sort of building Zoo to have a second complete deck to throw at a friend if they want to play modern.
>Excited for?
Nothing. BFZ is meh at best and Oath as well as Shadows Over Innistrad and Return to Return to Ravnica will all probably be pretty crap for all constructed formats.
>>43599102
>Building
Affinity
>Playing
Grixis Twin, UW Tron, GR Tron
>Brewing
Sultai control
>Cards from BFZ?
None
>Hopes for Oath?
Something to make control great again
Now, say you are going to a new lgs blind or planing to go to a GP, what Grixis Twin sb would you bring to give you the cathc-all board?
Seething Song unban when?
>Building
Having a hard time deciding between Junk and UR Twin. I'm leaning more towards Twin but they're both just so good
>Playing
Burn
>Bfz/gatewatch
Woodland Wanderer is probably the only card I think has modern potential. hoping for enemy battlelands from oath.
>>43603745
>Grixis Twin
Might wanna just bring some lube for the fucking you'll receive
>>43603754
Never hopefully.
>Building/Brewing
Knightfall as an alternative for FNM. There have been a couple Top8 appearances in small events, but neither seems to match what people are mostly talking about brewing. Particularly conspicuous is the lack of Collected Company, which is notably bad at finding Retreat to Coralhelm.
>Playing
Standard builds of Twin and Affinity. Fucking boring.
>Brewing
BUG Control, really all I want is to Villainous Wealth someone for 15 and play Tisigre, the Banana King
>BFZ/Gatewatch
HAHAHAH / I just want something better, we'll probably get flashback and madness in Innistrad Strikes Back
>Spoiler
Hopefully Villainous Wealth for 15 the next turn.
redpill me on loam pox please
a local guy plays it and it seems incredibly strong and resilient (baring the burn matchup), but he also says it's incredibly hard to play. Is he right or is he just elitist and/or I don't know how to play against it?"
Show me an incredibly unique / gimmick deck that kinda works. I want to bring something weird to FNM.
>>43605625
>redpill me
Stop that
Would I be an asshole for playing a deck that uses duskmantle guildmage, with either a mindcrank for infinite or using archive traps when they crack fetch lands?
It feels like a dick move but it also really appeals to me as it's winning using unusual means.
>>43599942
Preordain is fucking banned right
>>43605930
I always got 'that' look when I told people I played a birthing pod deck, so honestly fuck em. Play what you would have the most fun with, trust me its really taxing for you to worry if people think your being a dick for wanting to win and have fun.
>>43605949
Yes
>>43605825
how about answering my question instead of being a condescending dick?
Building this
http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/allies_with_david_houghton.html
>>43606428
Lmao
How unfortunate
How do I clean this up?
>>43603889
It's not even overpowered in the slightest
>>43607786
*rubs eyes*
What the FUCK am I reading
>>43607978
5 R by turn 2 isn't too much?
>>43607987
It's just waiting for that one card to make it viable
>>43608054
It's literally the only card that makes storm (one of the most fun decks in the format) tick. I miss my old Dragonstorm deck. Four Bogardan Hellkites slamming down for game always was amazing
>>43607786
>>43607987
*nods respectfully towards you*
Seriously, what the fuck?
>>43608086
This, it's a key piece to storm that only got banned because of 'consistent turn three wins'
Which... currently happens with other decks anyway.
>>43605771
Hulk footsteps
>>43605771
Fold Into Aether
>>43608306
It does happen with a few decks but not consistently.
Storm isn't fun anyway. It has no interaction and is completely linear
>>43608744
So how viable is storm? I'm kind of looking for a fun deck to play that isn't a tier 1 deck, I already have one of those. Is storm a good choice? I already have all the expensive cards.
>>43608744
It does happen consistently, to say otherwise is to be wrong.
Amulet Bloom is consistent starting on turn three
Twin consistently gets its first combo opportunity on turn three
Storm can die to a fucking leyline, those other decks can't.
>>43609072
>Twin consistently gets its first combo opportunity on turn three
But that's wrong. Twin is cmc4. Turn 4 is not turn 3.
I wouldn't doubt Bloom gets neutered soon
>>43609311
>first opportunity to combo
That's actually correct, as you play Exarch/Miteymite at the end of turn three. Which is what allows for the combo on turn four.
>>43608744
>It has no interaction and is completely linear
Much as I respect the dubs, this is wrong. Storm isn't completely linear, at least if you build it properly. It should have the ability to win in three different ways maindeck and can board others in.
>>43609336
Exarch isn't the combo Exarch+Twin is the combo so this "opportunity to combo on turn 3" means nothing. By that logic Titan's bloom "Opportunity to combo" is turn 1 since that is when you play the amulet, so half the combo.
>>43609379
>It should have the ability to win in three different ways maindeck and can board others in.
What kind of kitchentable fantasy storm have you been playing?
>>43609389
someone isn't understanding my shit
Okay, so what I'm saying, isn't that the combo HAPPENS on turn three, what I'm saying, is that the combo STARTS on turn three.
Also, are youn telling me you've never played against ritual twin? Because that's a deck that combos turn 3.
>>43609416
Fairly standard list, 2 Bolt, 1 Warrens and 2 Grapeshot maindeck with additional of Warrens and Bolt in the board.
>>43609450
And Titan Bloom starts on turn 1. Okay, what does this prove? What meaning does this hold?
>>43609416
Except he's correct, it should.
>Grapeshot
>Dragon Storm
>Warrens Bomb
There are other viable options, but these are too of my head.
>what are you hoping for in Oath
U - Instant
Counter target colorless spell.
I'd also accept
1U - Instant
Counter target colorless spell. Draw a card.
>>43609450
>Also, are youn telling me you've never played against ritual twin? Because that's a deck that combos turn 3.
>you've never played against a shittier version of another deck??
>>43609452
There's no reason to maindeck Bolt because the only maindeck thing you
>1) have to kill
>2) can kill with bolt
is gonna be Eidolon of the Great Revel. Bolt is good with Ascension but has no synergy with your other combo piece, Electromancer.
Also, Warrens does nothing against a lot of decks so it's kind of a dead draw.
>>43609475
>Turn three Exarch,
>cool I path it
>cool I dispel your path
>Turn four twin. Game.
>Turn one Amulet
>cool I nature's claim
>cry.
See the difference?
>>43609543
Is this going to become a new meme?
>>43609452
>Fairly standard list
>2 Bolt, 1 Warrens
No. Nobody mainboards either empty or bolt anymore, nor should they since g1 is your strongest time to just go off without caring for interaction or hate, fucking Scour is a more likely mainboard option than those 2. Even if it did, bolt isn't a fucking wincon unless you have already grapshoted for 10+ which defeats the point to begin with.
Look at literally every recent on goldifsh or top8.
>>43609484
You just have no clue what your are talking about.
>>43609543
Yeap, your made up scenario proved your point. Assuming your point was proving how retarded you are.
>>43609543
>turn 3
>paying 3 for exarch
>path targets exarch
>pitch that merfolk spirit guide to pay for your dispel
Modern sure is a great format
>>43609543
Except you tap out on opponents turn 3 to flash the exarch. Leaving you no mana left to counter. If they left any mana open to path or other shenanigans you cant do anything about it.
>>43609543
>Turn four twin. Game
Doesn't that prove you wrong in that it's a turn 4 combo, not 3?
>>43609572
>You just have no clue what your are talking about.
Except I played storm for a year.
>>43609543
>>Turn three Exarch,
>>>cool I dispel your path
>>43609601
>>43609593
HURR DURR EXARCH DOESN'T UNTAP A LAND, NO SIR.
That's literally what you retards sound like
>>43609638
You realize the opponent can cast a removal spell in response to the trigger?
>>43609638
I useBreaching Hippocampin my Twin list
>>43609609
And you still don't know that a dragonstorm storm deck is a different (and way worse) shell than grapeshot and that grapeshot doesn't run empty in the main but in the side for g2/g3? You either be lying or retarded or a very slow learner.
>>43609638
>>43609543
Jesus, I can only hope this is someone pretending to be retarded. Whatever the case, I am busting a gut laughing.
>>43609719
>>43609668
>>43609660
>>43609658
Glad I made some days better.
I'm suffering from severe depression and currently unable to leave my room for fear I'll "hurt myself"
So I figured I'd come be a retard.
Don't worry, I was mearly pretending.
>>43609819
>trying to save face on an anonymous image board
sure
>>43603754
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/development-risks-modern-2015-05-22
>Turn one: Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Seething Song, Ainok Tracker, go.
This is why we can't have nice things.
>>43609860
Ow yes, this article. Classic
>People ask me, sometimes, how much of our playtesting do we spend testing Modern. The answer is…well, none
Every time.
>>43609389
Tarmo[/turbo]Twin can combo on turn 3.
>>43609847
>implying anyone could actually be that retarded
Also, why try to save face, my name is anon here
>>43609908
>>>implying anyone could actually be that retarded
Are you pretending again?
>Also, why try to save face
You are the one doing it, don't ask me.
>>43609906
Tarmotwin runs dorks? No clue what the deck is about, but whatever the case it seems that both goyf and (if what you say is true) turn 3 combos aren't enough to make it the second worst twin deck as far as results go.
>>43605771
Elemental combo is a blast if your meta is light on jund.
Ded format
>>43609543
Don't you wait for them to cast summer bloom & destroy amulet in response to mess up their plan?
How do I defend myself against all those infect decks. Even when full tapped, they still manage to do whatever they want.
How hard would it be to build a deck around sheoldred?
Also could a goblin deck be competitive?
Also if i built a myr deck would everyone just laugh at me?
>building
nothing. I have the cards to build any deck I want at any given time. Poorfags disgust me.
>playing
Jund and burn
>exited for
nothing really. I just kind of want a cheap cantrip better than visions so control/storm actually becomes playable, but I don't expect wizards to actually print one given that they listen to the whiney portion of their playerbase more than the rational one.
>>43612955
>tfw storm will never be good again
Seriously wizards unban Seething Song so I can play 4 Bogardan Hellkites and win
I'm tired of playing Twin
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Steam Vents
4 Shivan Reef
3 Island
3 Mountain
4 Bogardan Hellkite
4 Goblin Electromancer
4 Dragonstorm
4 Serum Visions
4 Pyretic Ritual
4 Desperate Ritual
4 Infernal Plunge
4 Dispel
3 Sleight of Hand
3 Simian Spirit Guide
Storms Rebirth. Can this work?
-12 Mountain
-9 Forest
-1 Encroaching Wastes
-1 Rugged Highlands
-1 Frenzied Goblin
-1 Kolaghan Stormsinger
-1 Arbor Elf
-1 Elvish Mystic
-2 Foundry Street Denizen
-1 Firefist Striker
-1 Skinbrand Goblin
-1 Satyr Rambler
-1 Somberwald Dryad
-1 Borderland Maraurder
-1 Disciple of the Old Ways
-3 Burning-Tree Emissary
-1 Skarrg Guildmage
-1 Ghor-Clan Rampager
-4 Lightning Bolt
-4 Burst Lightning
-2 Ground Assault
-2 Gruul Charm
-1 Fleetfeather Sandals
-1 Predator's Rapport
-1 Flame Javelin
-1 Savage Trister
-1 Madcap Skills
-1 Hammerhand
-1 Giant Growth
+2 Ghost Quarter
+1 Godless Shrine
+4 Marsh Flats
+2 Overgrown Tomb
+1 Plains
+2 Stirring Wildwood
+2 Swamp
+1 Temple Garden
+2 Twilight Mire
+4 Verdant Catacombs
+2 Windswept Heath
+2 Kitchen Finks
+2 Scavenging Ooze
+4 Siege Rhino
+4 Tarmogoyf
+2 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
+3 Abrupt Decay
+1 Dismember
+4 Inquisition of Kozilek
+3 Lingering Souls
+1 Maelstrom Pulse
+3 Path to Exile
+3 Thoughtseize
+4 Liliana of the Veil
I know it's banned now, but how did Pod work?
>>43612952
Removal
Blockers
>>43613451
>sac creature
>get bigger creature
It was really complex. Probably over your head.
>>43613380
-3 Simians
-1 Dispel
+4 Lotus Bloom
It's not great but it's doable
>>43613451
Turn 1 cast Noble Hierarch
Turn 2 cast Kitchen Finks
Turn 3 attack with Finks (exalted), cast Birthing Pod, pod Finks for Siege Rhino
Turn 4 attack with Finks and Rhino, pod Finks for another Rhino, end of opponent's turn Restoration Angel targetting Rhino
How is U-Tron doing these days?
Just got my last Goyf and a playset of Wastelands for $310, Did I get shilled?
who /eggs/ here?
Whoa, this thread is like a time capsule. I swear I saw this conversation about six months ago before they announced no changes for the format.
Anyway, I'm building UR twin right now, just need a playset of each of the blue zen fetches and a Cavern of Souls. Or maybe I could just forego the cavern and play two Desolate Lighthouses instead of one lighthouse and one cavern.
Bring to Light is the best card in BFZ for modern, is already seeing play. A four color Scapeshift deck has already top 8'd a couple huge modern tournaments with 4 Bring to Light and 3 Scapeshift.
So far from BFZ, I'm sick of opening packs. I bought three boxes and didn't open a single expedition. I'm really good at drafting though, I've won or tied for first all of the drafts I entered in. I still open shit in my packs though.
>>43614964
Which edition was the goyf? Assuming it was a MMA/MM15 one for $120, $190 doesn't seem that bad for a set of wastelands. But it depends on the condition too. Were they near-mint? If they were near-mint I'd pay $200 for a playset.
>>43614875
Terrible, RG tron is way better.
>>43613380
lmao if you're gonna spend that much on the land base then play twin instead.
>>43612952
Spellskite
>>43615539
Yea MM Goyf, the wastelands seem pretty mint.
Ban Goyf
>>43615609
This. It's this fucking easy to deal with so many decks.
>>43605625
I wouldn't say it is inherently hard to play, just that it is quite punishing if you don't play very tight. It really depends on if you mean pure loam pox or like aggro loam.
>>43605771
RW Stax :^)
>>43605930
No, you should play Duskmantle Mindcrank. Its underplayed and surprisingly strong against most things that arent jund
>>43599102
>building
Abzan Aristocrats. the deck is so much fun.
budget U/R Delver with Kiln Fiend, Monastery Swiftspear and Young Pyromancer, and a bunch of 1 mana spells
Storm
>playing
U/B Faeries
Affinity
does anyone play U/Wx midrange? what do you run with it? I saw some videos of Watanabe playing with a U/W midrange with Ojutai and Restoration Angels to exploit value out of everything else (Snapcasters, Wall of Omens, Kitchen Finks) and thought it was a very cool deck. I've seen some lists and some people run Geist and others add red for Bolt, Helix and Hellkite. what do you guys think?
>What are you excited for from BFZ and hope for from Gatewatch?
I hope Gatewatch has playables or that at least will make some BFZ cards make sense
>>43607786
- All cards but Bolt
+ all cards in burn
Just play burn, its better
>>43607786
budget gruul aggro
4 scavenging ooze
4 monastery swiftspear
4 goblin rabblemaster
4 hooting mandrils
4 burning tree emissary
4 lightning bolt
4 atarka's command (probably the most pricey part of the deck desu)
2 Pyroclasm/radiant flames
4 temur battle rage
4 stomping ground
6 mountain
7 forest
4 wooded foothills
Better than what you had,cheaper and easy stuff to obtain
>>43616698
Best Uwx deck is Knightfall. Look it up
>>43616032
You got a good deal then.
>>43613451
most of the creatures had an etb effect or an effect that triggered when they died so you would just cast a 1 drop, sac it to pod and get value from your guy dying and the other coming into play, repeat and continue going up the ladder. some also had an instawin combo with Melira and Murderous Redcap.
>>43599102
>preordain
that meme isn't even modern-legal, much less viable.
>>43608107
>>43607987
Here's the sideboard. To explain it; I was kind of going for a burn/aggro thing where I would make mana with burning tree and elvish mystic to go wide and then use the lighting bolts/ kicker'd burst lightnings to remove guys and do extra damage. In retrospect, I could probably cut a lot of the 2 mana creatures for something more effective.
>>43616726
I know a lot of players hate straight burn so I tried to do something different. But I might go back.
>>43616736
Oh cool I actually have a few of those cards in my box, so maybe I'll swap some stuff in and out. Thanks.
>>43617653
Why are you doing this?
>>43617679
To get some advice from better players, so I can play in local modern games. I know the deck is shitty and looks casual as fuck but I'm really trying to come up with strategies.
Post your personal favorite card and why.
He was the first Legendary Creature I ever drew from a Booster, and he's made his way into every single White/anything deck I've ever made. I just can't justify making a deck with White in it without having the Lunarch.
>>43617957
fuck image didn't upload why
>>43617653
I don't know why you wouldn't have Volcanic Geyser in your main deck. Feels like something a red deck should have.
>>43617957
>>43617957
Fuck
I have too many
Griselbrand, Snapcaster mage, Prophet of Kruphix
I would probably have to say gifts ungiven though. Card is stupid powerful in the right hands and challenging in the best ways possible. I play both 4c gifts and uw Tron in modern, and it is great in both. So much fun to unburial rites for game and even moreso to gifts for value.
>>43617957
I'll probably get some hate for this, but it's the truth.
This card is the epitome of what I enjoy in Magic.
It's incredibly powerful, but requires lots of thought to be maximized, all the way from deckbuilding to the moment you cast it.
Its triple blue on a four mana spell, and the decks that want it are the most likely to be three colors with no nonland mana fixing of any kind, so playing it puts you into a serious commitment to blue, more-so than almost any other spell in the format.
Yes, counterspell+cantrip is the defacto best mode, but it's incredibly clunky in a turn 4 format, and knowing when to tap creatures and buy time, or bounce lands for tempo, or bounce your own creatures is critical to using The Command to it's highest potential.
>>43617957
i've been playing modern for like 2 weeks
so far this might be my fave
it feels evil when i play it, and the picture is so gnarly, it's just a good experience overall
Cards you want to use because the art is dope
>>43615182
Building it after Christmas when I get monis.
*SIGHING INTENSIFIES*
"Three white."
>>43614964
Wasteland is at its lowest in a long time. Seems like a good purchase to me.
>>43617957
Birthing Pod
if you guys ever watched yugioh, when pegasus used his millenium eye all the cards in his deck would appear before him and he would rig his deck and choose what he gets. thats what playing birthing pod feels like. the power of choosing the card u fetch is insane, but its not completely broken like survival was, you have to carefully plan your deck and know the optimal things to sac, what u can get at any given moment. it made your deck a fucking toolbox and it was so unbelievably cool
>>43617957
psionic blast
i really dont know why, the goofy art and the effect is really sick. it was my first time shifted card and i read it and it blew my mind that blue had this effect
force of will is sick too, the art captures it perfectly. it feels like a cornerstone piece of magic, one of the most essential and early spells in lore. like the first cavemen sorcerors had basic ass magic like fire shoot and move rock but this guy in the art uses his entire might to stop another guys spell instead of doing his own shit. it feels like the most savage and primal form of blue magic, sacrificing your body (pay 1 life) and mind (lose a card) to overwhelm your opponent with your fucking willpower
is Amulet Bloom kill?
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/owens-pick-of-the-week-modern-amulet-bloom/
>>43616215
No, scrub
>>43619982
I would be very surprised if it didn't get banhammered.
>>43619172
All Sun Titan art sucks besides the promo one. I Wanted to build Emeria for the lulz and I had to track down promos.
>>43603882
What's wrong with grixis twin
>>43620771
Not that anon but it's sacrificing sideboard bloodmoon, and less reliable manabase in a mostly tempo deck for better removal. Grixis is better in a control/midrange shell i suppose. I might be wrong doe.
>>43622184
Grixis is for Tasigur, period. He opens up a lot of card advantage and a 4/5 body. He's the reason you splash B.
>>43617957
Praise be to our Lord Kiki
How come no one runs Gut Shot in Storm? Seems like a good fit for it
>>43624380
Because the most it will get you is 2 damage in exchange for 2 life.
And although that can be good for a finished, it isn't that great.
>>43624426
>don't have to spend mana
>ups the Storm count
It seems like a decent inclusion as part of building towards Grapeshot
>>43624380
>>43624450
It really isn't, the problem storm has isn't the damage, it's the card draw and mana. Once you get going you really only need 10 storm with PiF.
>>43617653
Bro this is rough
I don't even play Modern and I know it's rough
Been playing nyxwave. It's pretty hilarious because no one really expects it, they expect combo elves. Then out of no where turn 3 nykthos into garruk wildspeaker, Genesis wave for 4 or 6 into another nykthos and garruk and keep going until you craterhoof. Currently running Strangleroot geists and kitchen finks main deck. They're just so resilient against burn and jund, even splinter twin if they don't have a remand in hand. Rending volley makes game 2 a lot better against splinter twin. I haven't had a chance to play against tron, but I would imagine it be resilient enough to fight a turn 3 karn. That or just blood moon.
>>43622898
Tasigur is shit
Hes a terrible meme card that can't die off fast enough
>>43626213
Not that poster but why is he bad?
>>43626354
I don't know about bad, but he sure is boring to play against.
Just counter and burn until you can drop him for B.
Funny shit when I skred him anyway
Can you combo Dredge and Delve somehow? Or would that fuck you over?
>>43628251
There aren't really any dredge cards worth running
Maybe the synergy makes darkblast a bit better of a card than it would otherwise be or something, but still sideboard or 1-of at best
Thought Scour and fetchlands are all the support delve really needs
>>43626354
Hes just a mediocre beater with an ability that's not even that good
>>43626354
You are being trolled.
Tasigur is fucking amazing and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I play this guy in Jund and he's excellent nearly everytime. When I play against Grixis, when they manage to cast a Turn 2 Tasigur, it's crazy hard to deal with outside of Terminate and Liliana (and even she is too late if you are on the draw).
>>43630561
>Tasigur is fucking amazing
No he is not. Hes garbage and just proves that delver players can't get over the fact that their shitty deck was banned out of the format so instead of letting go they try and use a shit card to justify playing it still.
>>43628251
Unfortunately not, no. Delve is only good if you're absolutely certain you're not going to be using certain cards after they're in your graveyard. Play Reanimator Dredge instead.
>>43630780
I argee with your assessment of Tasigur but damn son, you sound rump roasted.
>>43632196
That's not true at all
Snapcaster and Tasigur play pretty well together, just don't delve away the important cards. That's basically 60% of what modern Grixis decks are based on
Dredge is still ass though
Well, another FNM of not dropping a game and then losing to RG Tron as Anafenza Company. I do love a deck that mindless shits out board wipes and massive cards.
>>43630780
4/5 for 2 is bad guys, you heard it here first.
>>43632671
its called a bad match up, stop your ass pain
>>43630780
>one mana 4/5
>bad
the hell are you talking about
>>43632379
>>43632983
>>43633075
Stop replying to trolls, people. It's pretty damn obvious when the reply is literally "it's shit because it's shit". Just ignore the post.
Someone convince me not to play UR Twin.
>>43633105
its boring u do the same shit every gmae
>>43633105
It's a deck where the entire goal is playing one spell.
Kinda like scapeshift, but better, and just as boring.
>>43633105
You need to be good to play it well.
>>43633186
I'm pretty sure you can apply that to any deck if you're reductive enough.
>>43633194
It's a deck where the entire goal is playing one spell.
Don't you need two spells to combo off though? And I've always heard that the deck can win without comboing off.
>>43633335
That makes me want to play and get better with the deck, if anything.
I'm also considering affinity.
>>43633428
Ok then embrace the violent sideboard hate for both decks. I own both and it's fucking impossible to beat Stony Silence and Choke.
>>43633499
I played storm and dredge in legacy. I'm used to hate.
>>43633540
Then you will hate variance. Semen Visions is certainly not the same power level as your usual Legacy cantrips.
What's the best red deck out of these?
http://strawpoll.me/6000875
>>43632671
BIG MEATY DRAWS
>>43633588
Actual Naya Burn.
>>43607786
i would replace the inefficient cards that have more effective versions first of all
for example encroaching wastes could be a tectonic edge.
also i would replace all the 2 mana 2/1's with a draw back with 1 cmc 2/1's with an upside
for example dryad millitant fulfills the same roles as the bears/bear-draw backs but it comes down on t1 and shuts off decks that want to get taisigur out asap agaisnt aggro decks (grixxis delver or grixxis twin) shuts off living end and living twin, and also hoses U/R storm's past in flames just by being there.
some decks also run gurmag angler or murderous cut in fringe decks
also pisses off tarmogoyf players
also pisses off snapcaster decks
and that's just 1 change.
i think the 1/1's could be replaced with monastery swift spear
it's a 1/2 haste for R that get's more powerful when you cast combat tricks that are instants. or cast sorceries prior to your declare atkrs step.
also it just swings faster
you're not running too many goblins for foundry street anyways
since you're green red Kird ape might be good
maybe even wild nactl
that's literally less than $2 in upgrades
Is tron at all winnable with B/W Tokens or am I just looking to dodge them/get nut draws?
>>43634436
tron is really really good against swarmy decks due to their high volume of pyros, uggies and ostones. that being said, if they dont get those fast enough and u have even a bit of time to build up, you can abuse it. karns dont rly do shit against tokens, but you would have to have stuff to deal with wurmcoil. basically if you have godly draws to somehow apply enough pressure you can beat them, otherwise they just are too well equipped to beat u. id say the matchup is 30-70 or worse for u
What deck has a good matchup against Affinity and RG Tron? My meta is fucking full of that shit
>>43634436
I like to Sideboard my Tokens deck for Tron, then you have to hope to draw it.
Generally if you side for Tron, you side for your other unwinnable matchup - Bloom
Duress is better vs Tron than Inquisition of Kozilek, the amount I would put in I dont know, I personally put 2 in.
Your chance of winning revolves around Liliana and Sorin with Pithing Needle. Ghost Quarter is also core. You absolutely require Pithing Needle, theres no option, you have to Sideboard it in, preferably 4 copies.
Theyll probably predict it and side in natures claim, but you have no other option. With Ghost Quarter you may have a chance, but its such a bad matchup its ridiculous
>>43635303
Even then, all it takes for them is to resolve anything and you lose
You have to play like a midrange deck. Just remove their shit and hit them as hard as you can, but its rarely enough
>>43608330
Looks fun, found some lists but they seem incredibly inconsistent.
>>43608355
Hard to believe, but a guy at my LGS plays that already.
>>43610302
>tfw meta is 50% jund, 20% twin, 20% tron and affinity, 10% "other".
>>43635620
>Hard to believe, but a guy at my LGS plays that already.
How does it work out?
It looks fun, but all the non combo specific cards are expensive as hell
>>43635125
Twin.
>>43614875
Fairly good against a meta that is control/combo heavy.
>>43599102
Haven't been on the scene since Origins. Did BfZ add anything to the format?
Is it possible to play UWr Control without Snapcasters?
>>43635664
He plays stuff like through the breach in his list too. Lots of mana storage / ramp with 1 cmc dorks and Pentad Prism. I've had him go t2 pentad prism t3 dork counter drop emrakul. Of course the main objective is through the breach which gives him a hasty emmy. RUG list, really weird to play against.
>tfw hasty emmy forces me to sac all permanents except my goyf
>he is at 3 life with no blockers
>emmy shuffles in his graveyard
>goyf goes from being a 5/6 to a 2/3
>lose
>>43615182
I was, until I realised there's a lot of answers to the deck, a lot which are mainboard options for many decks.
I miss Second Sunrise.
>>43633540
>used to hate
You're going to get eviscerated.
>>43637892
>Did BfZ add anything to the format?
Nothing of note. Bring to Light is being tested in 4 color Scapeshift but so far it's neither been clearly better than or enough to really move the deck up or down a tier, and that's about it.
I don't know about anyone else but BFZ really sucked the fun out of playing magic in general for me a bit, an effect that has lasted to this day and I don't even play standard.
>>43638553
I've been meaning to ask this.
Why the fuck is scapeshift so expensive?
>>43638601
Lands, 2 Snaps and Cryptic. The usual.
>>43638618
No, no, I know those things. Why is scapeshift itself so expensive?
>>43638648
Price memory from extended (aka when the deck was good) and no reprints and it's from an old-ish set. I bet that even if it was in MM2 the price would plummet, like Coronet.
>>43638677
Ahhh, okay, that makes more sense.
When is it going to drop like a rock?
>>43638691
When it gets reprinted.
>>43638720
So... I'm going to be waiting? Right?
>>43599102
>Building
None
>Playing
G/W/u Hatebear Combo
>Brewing
U/B Storm
>>43638505
Sorry but modern isn't more cut throat then legacy kiddo. Might wanna be careful of that edge though
>checking out Legacy Dredge decks on mtgtop8
>mfw this
>>43640909
Found a LEDless list I take it
>>43640909
yes manaless dredge is cheap but is worse against hate then the mana version.
>>43641361
Not manaless, just LEDless as the guy above you said.
Seems like an excellent entry point and easy to upgrade.tfw no legacy general
>>43637893
Yes, but you're going to get ground down alot easier. Without snapcaster you need to substitute with some form of card advantage.
>>43641494
Then make a general yourself doofus.
Last legacy generals were comfy
>>43641734
>you need to substitute with some form of card advantage.
I could add more Think Twice, Electrolyze or Rev. Do you have any better suggestions?
Also am I a total idiot for running a copy ofElspeth, Sun's Championin a modern deck?
>>43642354
not entirely. elspeth is pretty difficult for most decks in modern to deal with. The only card you can really count on to fuck you over when you drop elspeth is maelstrom pulse and thats sure no abrupt decay.
im sure the drop elspeth + to ult song and dance is pretty decent even in modern
>>43642575
>>43642354
Can confirm. Elspeth, sun's champion is very hard to deal with in modern. The problem being her cost is inhibitive. I prefer Elspeth, knight errant
>>43599102
>brewing
Right now I'm putting together Mono-White Control. Sacred Mesas, Wrath of Gods, Mana Tithes, and Martyr of Sands are what I know I want to include. Considering at the moment whether I want to go an Enduring Renewal route that would let me just abuse the fuck out of Martyr of Sands.
>>43641494
dont expect real results with it tho. that list is from a 36 player tournament in spain
>>43642354
Rev15 guy? Is that you?
Sun's Champion is pretty good but by design she is win-more. I mean if you can resolve her turn 6+ then you must be already ahead to have lived that long, since this isn't standard, plus even if you do resolve her you don't "win" you win after 3-4 turns which is already a stretch on a 6 mana card.
Here's a question. How good is merfolk right now? The reason I ask is because I already have the vials and caverns.
>>43643274
Better than it was 6 months ago.
>>43639109
Hatebear combo? Got a list?
>>43643187
No anon, I am not a meme.
I don't think the guy who made that deck ever stopped to ask himself if he was an idiot either.
>>43643274
if you have that might as well go for this one
http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/allies_with_david_houghton.html
supposedly it was first place but somehow it's listed as 30th now
I'm so glad this meme caught on. Currently 3-0-1 at a modern PPTQ with jund. Top eight starts soon
>>43635620
Hulk footsteps is actually pretty consistent and stable. A lot of the lists that I've seen that have performed well are in my opinion sub-par. Faet mana like simian spirit guide isn't really where you want to be in my opinion and they almost always get sided out first anyway. But the combo is extremely resilient and it fights through hate pretty well too.
>>43643440
It's listed as 30th because it finished 30th.
>>43644199
Which meme is that
>>43643440
>supposedly it was first place
wut? It didn't even top8, the winner was Naya zoo if I remember correctly. That or burn.
>>43643413
I assume he means collected chord.
>>43643440
>supposedly it was first place but somehow it's listed as 30th now
where did you supposedly heard that garbage from
hey i have been learning infect and need help. what are is good match ups and what are its bad match ups.
>>43643413
Its just Hatebears but you throw in 4 Knight of the Reliquary and 3 Retreat to Coralhelm. Strangle them out of being able to do anything broken and then wack them with a 20/20 Knight after you tap down blockers.
>>43644199
Just got done. Won the tournament, got the blacked out Jace and Chandra from SDCC 2013. Feels good
>>43646141
What were your matchups? What's your list? How do you beat BTL Scapeshift?
>>43646184
Decklist was pic related
except that the olivias were gone, only one Tasigur, one Huntmaster, 4 Dark Confidants, 2 mainboarded abrupt decays, 2 Maelstrom Pulses, the Treetops were replaced with Raging Ravines, sideboard was three feed the clans, two anger of the gods, an abrupt decay and a jund charm.
Round one was against Bant swords or something. Between abrupt decay and kolaghan's command the match went very quickly. He was really salty afterwords and left without saying anything
Match two was against a local burn player. He won game one hands down but I managed to win the next two games with hand removal. I only won the very last game because I managed to K command his newly drawn rift bolt away before he had the chance to cast it
Match three was against Esper Control, not a whole lot to say. I just landed a few Tarmogoyfs and swung out. Not too bad and he got mana screwed on game two, leading to an easy victory for me.
First match of top eight was against Tezzy affinity, ran by a dude who owns a local shop. He got a game loss because his deck was messed up, so I only had to win once. When he animated both an Inkmoth and a Blinkmoth i K-commanded them both to death and that was that, just beat him with Tarmos
Next was Zoo. God zoo was stressful jesus christ. He mulliganed down to five and still managed to beat me on the first game. Game two I managed to land a Lilliana and control the game, but I got A-commanded like three times that game. Game three another Lilliana controlled and he didnt see many creatures.
Finals was against a dude who had a foiled Splinter Twin deck. We decided to split because neither of us really wanted to play it (so looking back i guess I didnt really win whatever). He got three of the planeswalkers and I got the two I wanted. And some store credit. Overall really glad I went
>>43645604
>bad matchups
anything with lingering souls or lightning bolt
you can literally outspeed everyone else
>What are you building/playing/brewing?
I usually play Twin, Affinity, RDW or UW Kiki. A couple weeks back I tried Junk and did terrible.
I just put that SCG Dallas winning zoo-ish thing together, but with Goblin Guides instead of Kird Ape. Chickened out last night after seeing Infect and Junk (small meta) and went with Affinity for an easy 4-0.
I'm thinking about putting GB Elves together to try something different. Tried GW a good while back, but didn't do so great. Still, I get tired of playing with Affinity and Twin so much.
>>43637892
Pick up a fat pack for 80 full art basic lands, nigga. There's nothing very interesting spell wise that you'll pull from the packs but at least the expedition lands are cool looking and worth some serious money.
>>43646876
What's your Affinity build, I have a slightly outdated version
>>43637892
A very stupid standard meta
>>43646421
Why would you not want to go for the gold, Anon? There should only be one winner in these kinds of events.
>>43647030
Eh, I don't really like to take my chances. I pretty much always volunteer to split after I turned down the chance at my first FNM and got beat hard.
>>43646961
IDGAF what people say-- Ensoul wins me games (can throw it on Drum or Mox and then I don't care if it gets pathed):
4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Blinkmoth Nexus
4 Glimmervoid
4 Inkmoth Nexus
2 Island
4 Cranial Plating
4 Mox Opal
3 Springleaf Drum
1 Welding Jar
4 Arcbound Ravager
2 Hangarback Walker
2 Master of Etherium
2 Memnite
4 Ornithopter
4 Signal Pest
2 Steel Overseer
4 Vault Skirge
3 Ensoul Artifact
1 Galvanic Blast
2 Thoughtcast
SB: 4 Spellskite
SB: 2 Day's Undoing
SB: 2 Ancient Grudge
SB: 2 Ray of Revelation
SB: 1 Blood Moon
SB: 1 Ghirapur AEther Grid
SB: 3 Whipflare
>>43647394
0 Etched champions? I guess you don't have any fair decks in your meta.
Also I like the interaction of Hangarback and Ensoul.
>>43647633
Yeah... last year Etched Champion was an MVP (I got in 3rd in a straight PTQ using 4 in the main). This year he's too slow.
>>43647633
>Hangarback and Ensoul
Doesn't work like that.
>>43647690
I think he means just Ensouling tokens.
>>43647690
I maybe tired or something by why doesn't it work like that?
You play Hangarback for whatever then put ensoul on it, it would have a base of 5 plus the counters and when it dies it does it's thing?
>>43647752
"When Hangarback Walker dies, put a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature token with flying onto the battlefield for each +1/+1 counter on Hangarback Walker."
You only get Thopters equal to the number of +1/+1 counters.
>>43647848
Maybe interaction was the wrong word, I was thinking more along the lines of Synergy, Like if they kill the Hangarback they release thopters, and if they don't kill it, it's a threat.
>>43647888
I prefer to stick Ensoul on Drum, Mox, Citadel, Ornithopter or Memnite.
It's nice on a Vault Skirge against some decks.
Keep in mind: not a ton of combo in my meta, otherwise I'd make room for Thoughtsieze in the SB (would probably cut Day's Undoing and a couple others).
>>43609528
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
double those cmc's and you might see it
>>43619017
just play kommand instead, it's so much better
lol
>mfw people are trying to best offer me on ebay $7.50 for 2 BFZ sunken hollows (not expedition) in mint condition
fuck that
>>43649691
its like a four/five dollar card right now thats not too unreasonable
>>43650055
try finding one on tcg/amazon/ebay for less than 4.70 (shipping included) each
>>43650105
Lol you're am idiot
>>43650105
Check tcg you can get them for 4.50 shipping included
>>43600154
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gw-collected-bears-2/
>Players can't search libraries
>Cards that allow you to search libraries
>Paying life for mana
This feels like it's doing you more harm than your opponent...
>>43649562
Lantern? Bah. If I made a list, it would be something like:
1. Splinter Twin
2. Cranial Plating
3. Summer Bloom
4. Snapcaster Mage
5. Tarmogoyf
6. Goblin Guide
7. Wild Nacatl
8. Lightning Bolt
9. Inkmoth Nexus
10. Liliana of the Veil
Thread is old in the water now, but here's my newest Modern deck. Made it public so people can see / comment / vote / bash (though let's be honest, bashing will probably remain here)
No, I do not play in tournaments. Just casual. For my group of friends and our local card shop, it works just fine. I know probably half of you here can rip it apart and rebuild it better but I'm still new to this. It's what I got and it's just fun to use.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/abzan-siege-rebuild/
>>43649562
Holy shit, retarded
With 0 real thought put into it I'd say something like
>Bolt
>Snapcaster
>Goyf
>Cranial Plating
>Abrupt Decay
>Goblin Guide
>Cryptic Command
>Liliana
>Dark Confidant
>Inkmoth
and I'm sure that's pretty wrong too but at least it isn't that
>>43652333
What's the point of posting this garbage?
>>43652333
>posts a casual deck in the Modern thread
So I currently am building a Jund deck and have all the pieces BUT Tarmogoyf. Since I own all these cards I may as well fill the 4 slots and play the deck, what is a good substitute for Tarmogoyem in Jund? My local meta is like 5 sub-par burn players, Grishoalbrand, Boggles, and Affinity.
>>43652641
Post your list with empty slots.
>>43652671
Not like they replace Goyfs, but Kitchen Finks and Fulminator Mage are decent cards in your colors. Fulminator Mage with Kologhan's Command can really punish decks sometimes.
