OH GOD THE BUGS edition
RESOURCES
http://www.mtgcommander.net
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.tappedout.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
CARD SEARCHING
http://gatherer.com
>Official search site. Current for all sets but has a terrible UI.
http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
Need tips for helping with this casual cat deck of fun
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/test-cat-deck-1/
Salty about more shit RW commanders general.
>OH GOD THE BUGS edition
NOT THE BUGS
>>43598544
Being bad is their part of the color pie.
>>43598544
>That image
Implying that hypothetical situation wouldn't put the Azorious lawmage in violation of decree 26378483904837 against the consumption of magicaholic beverages.
What would you do to fix monowhite and monored?
Does it fit the color pie?
>>43598646
It's fine, she filed for a permit over two months ago.Do azorius girls lose all inhibitions in bed
>>43598686
I don't know but Rakdos girls lose all inhibitions everywhere else.
Rules lawyers are the shittiest and most unfun people to play with.
This isn't competitive REL, even at SCG events and pods.
>>43598678
Monored is really tough because there are actually a few very competitive monored commanders despite how bad the colour is overall. Every time you bring something to the board for Kazuul or Diaochan, you gotta worry about Krenko or Daretti inching their way up.
I think monowhite only needs better ways to get advantage on colour though.
>>43598678
Card draw
Nobut seriously every other color has reliable card draw which is what makes them good so why can't red or white? Red's getting better but still
Can you guys help me make/edit my first tri-color deck? Sultai for that matter.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-11-15-work/
Trying to utilize graveyard play and making sacrificing part of my strategy. Should I run more green mana ramps or blue draw cards? Any cards you would recommend or remove?
Green/White Weenie deck was pretty easy for me to learn but I'm honestly having trouble working this Sultai deck out.
>>43598586
THE BUUUUGS
>>43598701
Only if they enter the bedroom with a +1/+1 counter.
>>43598678
Card flow.
No, really, that's it. A way to get cards into hand again. In 60 cards Magic, this isn't really a problem because the games are over quickly, but EDH is all a game about card flow and that's solely the reason why red and white are the worst colors in it and blue and green the best.
Which is funny because I think white is the best support color and UWx or GWx are some of the best colors, since card advantage + a way to answer literally everything is too good.Just make some other more efficient elkin draw cards in red and give white some more ways to draw cards and they'll get a lot better.
>"Competitive" EDH
>>43598678
Personally I have a huge problem removing creatures in red. Black has is so easy, followed by white's exile, then blue's everything. Maybe not having to pay 5+ mana just to remove a problem creature one time?
Maybe some less suicidal creatures. Does every red common need to be an x/1 with haste? More instants.
>>43598846
>A game that requires a winner at the end(normally)
>cries when people play to win
>>43598806
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>Ordered stuff for a deck on Sunday
>no updates on tracking since then
>>43598846
People who parade around their competitive EDH decks always have a fake ass moral superiority thing going on, as if playing a format in a certain way grants them special powers or some shit.
It's sickening. you can play EDH competitively with friends or at events or whatever, but it's gross to act like you're better then people casting cultivates and Kodama's reaches to ramp into shit that actually plays with the mechanics of the game in an interesting way
>Sign up for Pucatrade
>Immediately got the Demonic Pact and the Boros Charm I needed for free
>shipping off that Beastmaster Savant I don't need to Argentina where it can go suck a dick
Why haven't you signed up to Pucatrade yet, anon? What's your excuse?
Also can someone please send me a Dralnu?
>>43599043
Honestly,I don't quite understand how it works
>>43598586
>>43598806
>>43598912
Beautiful and scary. Is there enough of these for a hornet (well, insect) themed or tribal deck in any format?
>>43599043
Shit nvm about Dralnu I no longer have enough points.
>>43598912
NOT THE BEES
>>43599064
You get points for sending cards to people, and then when you have enough points, people send you cards.
>>43599043
Because sending things through the mail is a bitch.
>>43599082
Anon there are so many bugs
>>43599101
I assume it's US only?
>>43599043
>Argentina
Oh man I want some sweet Pucatrade cards pls, I though South America didn't had enough traders, how do you earn points again?
>>43598586
Put banding on this shit. when someone swings big, dump all the damage here.
>>43599064
Its simple actually. Ship out cards to people who want(i.e. are in their "want list) them in exchange for "points"(1 point = 1 cent of the card's realtime value) When you have enough points from that, people can send you cards that you have in your "want list" for points.
>>43599129
There are non-US users, but from what I understand the US users have the easiest time.
>>43599123
But do they have enough decent ones or ones with synergy?
I love the idea of a nest that poops out angry hornets, how can this be done?
I've seen the great snake mistake, now I need the horrible hornet happening
>>43598415
Posting my shitty meren brew, I can't decide on what to take out. Help would be appriciated.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/value-train-1/
>>43598923
Guys seriously what do I do
I'm getting worried
>>43599142
You can earn points immediately when you sign up for doing basic things (about $5 right off the bat), then you earn points by sending people cards(but they have to confirm they got them, which can be scary but oh well) and you can also get $1-$3 worth of points(depending on your membership) for each person you refer.
>>43599174
Well there's this, which does the same thing as the nest
Do artifacts have summoning sickness or can I use their "tap" ability as soon as it hits?
>>43599261
Artifacts don't. Artifact creatures do.
>>43599261
No non-creatures cannot have summoning sickness
>>43599174
There's also this, which can honestly turn into a goddamn nightmare
>>43598923
You live in a small town?
Pray anon. It's the only way.
Last year someone shipped me a Christmas present a month before Christmas. When I finally got the broken and beaten box in late February, I was curious and called the person who sent it to me.
Evidently it went across the entire country twice somehow, then went to Alaska, then came back to the person who sent it before being repackaged and sent again.
>>43599286
why is the art on this card so goddamn terrible
>>43599288
>You live in a small town?
Yes. Usually stuff gets here but I'm just worried because USPS hasn't updated tracking at all, and the other two packages (all 3 from TCGPlayer) are well on their way
Also our new mailman sucks
>>43599307
I just noticed it' the same bug three times, just flipped around.
What the hell man.
>>43599369
The Magic artists now just aren't as good as before I guess.
>>43599369
>>43599307
THE BUGS ANON
THE BUUUUUUGS
>>43599348
Good luck. You've a lot more trust than I do in the USPS.
Found out a few years ago my grandma pretty much just stopped sending letters because I never responded. It's not the only thing I know that consistently "disappears". But the bills and junk mail never fail. And I never ship anything without the insurance.
>>43599397
it bugs me
>>43599402
The postal service is fucking crazy. Seriously if the mailing address says "take a left about a quarter mile past the rock across the road from the tree that looks like James Madison's penis" it will fucking get there
>>43599394
I disagree but whatever.
>>43599043
I really want to try it, but I'm spastic about shipping things out because I have to Noah for shipping and shit.
>>43598721
But some people have fun operating within the rules.
Just agree on a REL to enforce before hand.
>>43599402
Well doesn't TCG have their sellers ship to their warehouse then send it out in their own envelope? The package from them is comprised of cards from like 8 different stores
>>43599174
Me again I think I got it
Hornets nest
Darksteel plate
Phyrexian alter
Crawling zombie
Triskelion
Mazirek
Awesome the new commander helps
>>43598678
Redstorm
R-Instant
Exile 2 cards at random from your hand, and the top three cards of your library.
You may play cards exiled this way until the end of your next turn.
Basically reprint all the glorious old cantrips of yesteryear, but with red's new exile mechanic.
White needs more equipment, and equipment based card advantage..
>>43599555
Depends on if it's tcgplayer direct or not
>>43599595
This one was, with just regular shipping
What's that, like a week? I'm just antsy because there's been no update since Sunday
>>43599490
Casual and Regular REL work within the rules.
Rules Sharking isn't an REL problem, it's a person problem.
>>43599465
Are you bait?
>>43599706
Really? You adhere to priority in your casual games?
>>43599714
Not that guy, but some art is still sweet. It's true that a bunch of the digital art just straight up looks terrible.
The Traditional Art that gets done is still very nice looking.
Traditional Art pieces usually look better on cards and usually convey their content better, since digital art just gets riddled with details and becomes incomprehensible on a card (see: all of Steve Argyles stuff)
>>43599756
Yes. in the same way that you adhere to priority in Competitive REL. by knowing how the shit works, because those are the rules.
Shortcuts still happen at competitive REL, people dont mention priority unless there is a reason to.
>>43598777
Anyone?
>>43599714
No. Old Magic art was garbage save a very, very select few.
But that's not EDH and it's also not a discussion I wanna have here because I know 90% of the arguments and they're all trash'muh traditional painting', 'muh style', 'muh creative outlook', 'muh cartoons & fun'
>>43599757
You better not be shitting on Jamie Jones, bitch.
Wondering how you guys reckon X spells and the new UR general work?
>Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell with converted mana cost greater than the number of experience counters you have, you get an experience counter.
Will the CMC be whatever X is? Or X + the other costs (ie RRX and X=5 the CMC would be 7) or is CMC just the non X part of the cost?
>>43599783
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-11-15-work
Mindslaver with Tasigur and 14 mana is a lock, you know.
>>43599837
X costs aren't taken into account for the CMC of a spell. Comet Storm's CMC is 2
>>43599812
Well, a lot of it comes down to being able to read the artwork of the card without having to try and it also not looking like freshly molded clay dogshit. Which some of Jaime Jones's shit looks like.
The gross digital artwork kind of works for Eldrazi cards though, because of their 'alienness'
>>43599837
You choose the X number, then that gets added to other costs, then you take that number and apply her discount to it.
>>43599882
It does when it's on the stack.
>>43599837
it will be X + the other costs when you cast it, which is the only time it matters for Mizzix
>>43599882
>>43599837
X is 0 everywhere else but on the stack. On stack CMC the total mana paid for the spell.
>>43599858
>14 mana
Jesus. I thought needing 13 for Hanna was bad.
On that note, Eidolon of Rhetoric and Decree of Silence is also wonderful. Even better with Inoxerable Tide.
>>43599910
>>43599948
Thanks, I was unaware of that.
>>43599837
I like the UR general, is that alone worth getting the deck?
Some of these 99 cards seem really shit once I get over how aesthetically pretty Blue and Red is together.
>>43600000
Check'd.
Buy single, if you're only interested in mizzix. mystic confluence has some value tho.
>>43599975
its really only ten mana if you have prophet out.
>>43599858
>Tasigur and 14 mana is a lock
I'll be honest, I have no clue what you mean by that.
I looked at Mindslaver and I honestly don;t like controlling other people's turns.
>Play Varolz Scanning.
>Just played Deadbridge Chant.
>Get excited for scavenge possibilities.
>Someone just exiles my whole graveyard.
>Mfw
Is there anything I can do to stop this shit? I'm so bummed out right now about this flaw in my deck.
>>43600066
What I mean is you use ten mana to cast and use Mindslaver, then on their controlled turn you activate Tasigur's ability and make them pick Mindslaver. Rinse and repeat. Also why the fuck would you NOT want to use the best effect in all of magic!?
>>43600098
>Scanning.
Scavenge*
How? How did I manage that?
>>43598586
That one time mortal's resolve-ed this and blocked a 50/50
I won the next turn
>>43600098
No. The ridiculously strong graveyard hate is the only reason graveyard strategies aren't more dominant.
>>43600098
>Is there anything I can do to stop this shit?
Feldon's cane?
>>43600066
>not liking utter humiliation
>>43600098
Pic related for spells that target you. Krosan Grip for tormod's crypt and his relatives. Witchbane Orb or Orbs of Warding for Bojuka Bog (also good for spells that target you)
>>43600098
Nah man, sometimes decks just fold to the shit that make them lose. you can just make every single card a threat and only dedicated constant graveyard hate can put you to a halt, but you can't really fix a flaw that is inherent in your commander/colors. Grave yard strategies are still broken shits though, so you should be fine.
Why Deadbridge Chant though? doesn't seem.... good.
>>43600169
A++++ 10/10 great ebayer
>>43600177
>Grip for crypt
>does nothing when the guy holds priority and sacs crypt after her plays it
Also does nothing for RiP and things that directly target the graveyard like Scooze
>>43600132
Why the fuck was he even swinging a 50/50 into that if it didn't have trample!? Making the nest indestructible made no difference in you winning.
>>43600222
groundseal works for scooze. Rest in Peace can suck a dick, though.
>>43599910
>>43599895
Cheers for that, its how I thought it worked but wanted to make sure before I make an X-spell deck around it.
One other thing though. A friend of mine reckons you apply the discount even to X spells. I don't think it works like that, but my rules knowledge is crap so I could be wrong.
Can I apply the discount for X spells? IE, with 5 EXP counters, I could declare X to be 7, but only pay 2 of it?
>>43600243
>Rest in Peace can suck a dick
I will never stop loving the taste of your delicious tears.
Stupid rules question
If I cast a fireball where x=10 and I use pyromancers goggles to pay for part of the cost triggering its copy ability does the copy hit for 10 like the original spell?
>>43600247
Yes
>>43600065
Well, prophet is a faggot anyway.
I've thought about putting unwinding clock into Hanna, but its more of a control deck featuring enchantment/artifact combos.
Check It out http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hanna-ships-combo-and-control/
I don't think it's 100% up to date, but the gist is there.
>>43600180
>Place ten cards into my graveyard when it hits the field.
>Allows me to pull things out (Granted at random) that I don't want in there every upkeep.
If I accidentally dredge some equipment for my big, beefy monster, I can get it back. I'm sure there are cards that do that better, but I don't know them.
>>43600322
Yes
>>43600335
Greenwarden of Murasa, Eternal WItness, and Regrowth are all good for that.
>>43600332
Awesome! Thanks
I want to build a RGu commander deck because I like playing big creatures and I like things like rhystic study and frozen aether, who is the least degenerate but still decent commander I can run?
>stealing everyone's shit with the Empires artifacts and Kurkesh
This is the best oh my God
>>43600411
Surrak Dragonclaw
>>43600366
Yeah, but with Deadbridge I get to return something EVERY upkeep.
>>43600411
Riku is literally Goodstuff Inc.
Animar is all creatures
Yasova is a rather specialized value deck
Surrak is whatever so there's that
>>43600492
Well if you run BUG just play tasigur or deadeye navigator then.
>>43600492
And every upkeep is very slow. and it's just so much mana to not do anything the turn it comes down.
I mean,I see how it could have impressive results, but I guess our metas are just really different in terms of speed. Deadbridge chant wouldn't get enough value before the super late game to be worth the mana put into it.
>>43600460
>>43600502
Ok I was leaning towards Surrak so I'll probably go that route, thanks!
>>43600444
Kurkesh is insane. I have a sorta stax deck I've been working on with him and he can honestly be fucking bonkers, using your non mana-rock artifacts twice each turn can be devastating
Thoughts on Zuran Orb in Karlov?
What do you guys think about MLD and similar effects? It gets super annoying that people think lands being sacred and therefore untouchable. Even earlier today one guy playing monogreen complained me putting Sunder in one of my decks, and I started talking about armageddon after he has shat his entire landbase to the table. He went as far as complained MLD being cheater cards.
>>43600224
Shieet, literally the only reason that was important, the 50/50 had double strike
>>43600726
You do realize that double striker without trample doesn't do combat damage second time, if blocker dies on first damage step?
>>43599782
Then I don't see what you're complaining about. Rules lawyers only act when someone is mistaken about the rules, or not following them.
The shortcut rules are used, but shortcuts need to be consented to before being used.
>>43600759
Really? Well... 100 hornets is better than 50 either way but now I do wonder why he swung, I just assumed the double strike woulda killed me
>>43600649
I think they're extremely necessary and anyone who doesn't see that is probably just ramping into stupid and don't realize that they're no different than the guy complaining about grave hate or the guy complaining about too many wraths. They're all just answers to their bullshit
>>43600841
There's a small subset of loud people who are retarded, and think ramp decks are actually better equipped to win after a geddon.
This is easily proven false by considering the two situations: Either they sandbag ramp in case of a geddon, or they don't.
If they don't, they're in topdeck mode the same as the rest of us, and have less topdecks to draw (having ramped a lot of lands out already).
If they do sandbag ramp spells, then great. The thread of MLD is keeping them honest.
>>43600809
Ok, Maybe 'Rules Lawyer' Is a slight misnomer to what he was talking about.
Rules Shark fits better. Ya know, the ones that bring up rules and regulations when it is advantageous to them, but then never when something sneaky happens and it could possibly be bad for them?
Regular old Rules Lawyers can mean well, Rules Sharks are Rules Lawyers that intend on being dicks to people who aren't necessarily as competent in the rules to screw them over. That type of attitude is pretty easy to pick up on, and it happens a lot with Randoms at LGSes.
>>43600649
Hell Im trying to make a standard deck which is based around land destruction. Works wonders with Crumble To Dust with all the Tri-colour decks and Dual-colour decks currently appearing in standard. Mono blue is pretty much the only colour that can achieve a decent win-rate at standard level.
>>43600841
Agreed, but they never seem to learn to not dump all of their manabase to the table. I hate it when they do that and think that should be left unanswered. Same guy went full baby mode and would scoop to MLD.
>>43600938
What deck in standard is mono-blue?
I'm also pretty sure you get shit on by Atarka Red. since all those LD spells cost 4 and they run wild slashes and impulses for your mana dorks or whatever
Buying the BG deck on Friday. Feels good.
>>43600921
I see now.
Yeah, those guys are dicks.
My rules for rules lawyering are:
Always stop a play that breaks the rules (if I notice I've broken one too late, I'll usually concede)
Other than that, stay silent on rules issues unless asked.
>>43600980
Like forcing players to miss mandatory upkeep triggers because they drew a card or something before they even did anything during their main phase.
That shit is easy to forget when you're hanging out with friends you just kinda do things out of order because you're trying to play magic to relax or because the stakes are low.
But in general, I agree with that rule, if you're gonna call out rules problems, call your own out, and if it's too late to fix, then concede or face some gameplay based punishment.
>>43600964
I never said the land destruction worked. Am actually trying to combine Artarka with the land destruction. The deck i played against was mono blue sphinx's, flying merfolk and counter/bounce/tap (so standard control). Wins via mill with sphinx's insight or flying damage. Anyway, enough about standard in the EDH post.
>that one faggot who is always wrong about rules
>insists that he's right despite him being wrong on every past rules question
Guy was arguing that you could put your commander in the command zone, from anywhere, whenever you want. I almost slapped the fucker the mouth
>>43600980
I'm the only player in my group who put any time into learning the rules. I could probably pass the judge test if there were enough events going on around me.
Leads to a bunch of people asking me questions, which is always a hoot in EDH.
But it's also pretty shitty at times when you have to crush some new kids dreams and tell him that X doesn't work like that.
>>43601070
>you could put your commander in the command zone, from anywhere, whenever you want
How would he even get this in his head?
>>43600648
>float 8 mana from lands
>sac all lands
>8 triggers
>16 +1/+1 counters
>shitload of counters on Karlov
>Have Emeria Shepherd
>cast Armageddon
>Cast Faiths Reward
>get back Soul Sisters, Auriok Champ and Suture Priest
>each triggers 4 times
>16 triggers
>32 +1/+1 counters
Seems legit.
>>43601155
I dunno anon, with the tuck change we might soon just see that we should have access to our commanders no matter what.
>>43601070
>Guy was arguing that you could put your commander in the command zone, from anywhere,
okay
>whenever you want
what a tard
>>43601155
Fuck if I know. He's a huge dickhead, last time we played a new guy with last year's green precon showed up, and he devoted everything to getting the guy off the table.
Also, time before last, he was insisting that an All is Dust wouldn't make him sac his Thassa or Phenax. I can't tell if he's retarded and bad at the game or if he's just trying to get a rise out of people.
>>43601180
>okay
Well you can't just pop it from the graveyard back to the command zone, which is what he was trying to do (without playing a reanimator effect)
>>43601070
There's a guy at my LGS who thinks himself a judge and tries to 'judge' FNM when the actual judge can't show up, but his rules knowledge is mediocre at best. He, for instance, didn't know and tried to argue me on using Celestial Flare at the end of combat to kill the creature you want after damage. I had to pull up gatherer, and when he was proven wrong, he brushed it off as an 'errata' he never heard of.
I'm considering behaving as the local part time judge because he's seriously bad, but that'd mean I'd have to step down from FNM and I actually enjoy FNM so fuck that.
>>43601227
Because dude INDESTRUCTIBLE. It means it never dies.
>>43598678
Fair Trade
1W Enchantment
At the beggining of each player's upkeep that players draws cards until the number of cards in his or her hand is equal to the number of cards of the player with most cards in hand.
Illust is merchants pissed about a well regulated market.
Talented Musings
R Instant
Scry 3, then exile the top card of your library. You may play that card until end of turn.
Illust is guy smoking pot coming to the same conclusion as the fedora-wearing "intellectual" on a problem.
It is in flavor, it is in their shard of the color pie even if in name only, but it will never happen because NWO determined Card Advantage is blue-exclusive.
>>43601345
I wonder how he'd finagle out of a Morbid Tragic Slip on Phenax
>>43601328
Is he even qualified as a rules advisor or whatever it's called?
>>43599043
I am. Altough I only order weird shit I can't get anywhere localy or with T&T.
Right now I'm looking for 10 each of these.
>>43598678
More skullclamps. Just reprint skullclamp 2-3 times with different names. White is fixed.
>>43599142
You can buy points (1 cent = 1 point) and cards are priced at their average value.
It's great for getting old commons and specific editions like DD/Planechase and shit.
>>43601302
Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with 'when ever' fact. You can put your commander in the command zone if it gets exiled from the yard, though.
>>43601328
Wow, what a tard. I feel bad that you had to deal with that.
>>43601409
I doubt it. Honestly, most people on the store don't seem pay him much attention either, but he sometimes butts in and is specially eager to mess with new people. Like months ago he attacked a planeswalker controlled by a new guy with a creature equipped with a Light and Shadow, then told him that 'planeswalkers are players so this activates and I get this back from my graveyard.' Not knowing any better, the new guy played like that until last week when I noticed that and told him otherwise.
>>43601447
Those are some really nice swamps but they sort of feel post-apocalyptic. What plane is that from?
>>43601405
He becomes super small UNKILLABLE guy. Just until end of turn though. I mean, clones are 0/0 too, so why not Phenax
>>43601509
>What plane is that from?
Not a plane but art is from Portal: Second Age
>>43600649
They're obnoxious, they are. Judge what your playgroup is going for. If it's a bunch of people with casual decks, maybe hold out. If it's a bunch of Prossh combo assholes light their shit the fuck up.
>>43601624
I'm running armageddon and now sunder for that amulet of vigor + patron of the moon combo. I'm casting them when I can if it helps with my game plan or if it becomes necessary. In my other group armageddon is to be expected at least once every game.
>>43600649
Without MLD, ramping is too safe and consistent a strategy. You get your land ramp that will never get removed, and guaranteed payoff spells: even if you don't draw your top-end, you always have your commander, who will always be available to recast. You suffer very little early game pressure due to 40 life multiplayer, so having a slower start isn't an issue for ramp decks like it can be in other formats.
MLD is an essential balancing factor for all of that. If a ramp deck gets completely destroyed and the player then complains that he couldn't cast his spells, it doesn't mean MLD is obnoxious, it just means it worked as intended. Just like someone running a creature aggro list would often find himself never able to do any forward progress against a creatureless control list with tons of wraths and Abyss effects.
>>43601875
Is there a way to use MLD without shooting yourself in the foot as well?
Boil is nice, so is the one that only hits nonbasics, but that's all that comes to mind.
>>43601917
Boros charm first?
Run a bunch of artifact mana.
Shit like that.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jazal-smash-1/
can anybody rate my mtgo commander deck?
its fairly budget, but its pretty consistent.
pretty much you play weenies on the first 3 turns, then you play jazal turn 4, and swing for near/lethal turn 5 with jazal's ability
>>43601917
Yes. Like this http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pharika-build/
>>43601917
Keeping some lands in your hand, for example. You'd be surprised how easily people fall into full topdeckmode from nuking their lands. Just prepare for your own nuke and you'll be fine. Playing basics before ruination would do fine for example.
>>43601875
I just find it atrocious that people complain about good disruption spells. It kind of perplexes me, that artifact removal is okay. So is creature and enchantment removal. But when you destroy lands, you become ultimate satan hitler. Only thing about LD makes me salty is in 1v1 early strip mine + crucible combo
>>43598912
>>43598806
>>43598586
>MaRo'sgreatestfears.jpg
>>43599043
I use it all the time though, mostly for unloading Standard stuff from Draft. I've got a Crucible of Worlds and Doubling Season in the mail that should be arriving any time and I have to ship out a Newlamog, Shambling Vent, foil Abzan Charm, and a foil Black Sun's Zenith tomorrow.
>>43602020
>that deck
My nigga
>tfw playing Titania and they try to wrath
That feel when your fast mana Kothophed control list is apparently too "Hardcore" for the new meta at your college lgs because you ramp too hard in mono black.
>>43602019
>play a match
>hes playing Kruphix
>he says my commander is shit
>proceed to stomp him turn 5 first game, turn 7 in one swing second game
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/-omnath-locus-of-rage-/
Still working on this. Any help would be appreciated.
Also give me tips for Ezuri, Claw of Progress. This is as far as I've gotten: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/-ezuri-claw-of-progress-/
Been watching a couple games on Cockatrice where Karlov showed up, he looks fun as fuck.
I thought Teysa spiraled out of control quickly, it's amazing how fast he gets huge.
>>43602155
Thanks. It's my new pride and joy, and its fun as fuck.
>>43602510
put in the panoramas that can search your basics, because you can use them to cast omnath, and then sac them for the landfall
Is it possible to whiff this card on the first few turns and not get any lands just to use the Dredge ability on the next turn?
>>43602510
Firecat Blitz, nigga.
>>43602628
>up to
Yes.
>>43602628
Yes, it's definitely doable
>>43602628
Yes, one of my favorite turn 2 plays, actually.
>>43602642
>>43602645
Thanks!
>>43602610
I can't figure out what else to cut though. The basic land count just can't go down anymore than what I've got it at, I can't decide which utility lands should be kept or removed, and other than maybe Thunderfoot Baloth I can't decide what to cut.
>>43602629
I don't really have that many Mountains, just 9 total. A bunch of 1/1s that aren't even Elemental tokens and will exile themselves at EOT isn't really that appealing.
>>43602717
>A bunch of 1/1s that aren't even Elemental tokens and will exile themselves at EOT isn't really that appealing.
That's why you sac 'em, yo.
>>43602717
They're Elemental Cats, bro.
You need a way to get rid of them before they exile, but if you can, it's almost literally a bolt stapled to a token.
>>43602629
>>43602717
>>43602734
FireCat Blitz is my go to finisher with Purp.
>>43602717
>A bunch of 1/1s that aren't even Elemental tokens
They are, though.
Best stax general in multiplayer? I heard it is rough in MP but I want to give it a shot.
>>43602734
Sac them to WHAT though? Bombardment, sure, that's not too bad. Evolutionary Leap, eh, that means I'm making less tokens unless I left Gaea's Cradle up or something but not horrible, Ashnod's Altar is alright I guess.
>>43602752
>>43602762
It only says 1/1 Cat on the card. I assume on Gatherer it's different?
>>43602769
Derevi
>>43602778
yup, gatherer says Elemental Cat tokens
>>43602798
Errata's got me all fucked up. They should really reprint cards when their errata is something significant like that.
Should I put rares in my trade binder or just mythics?
>>43603095
Both, but mix them up together so that people will have a reason to keep looking through your binder. Don't just put all the good, high value stuff in the front otherwise people will just check there and dismiss everything else.
>>43603095
Put Value in your binder.
There are plenty of commons/uncommons that are worth a bunch.
>Sun Titan can grab lands
I feel like I've been playing him wrong this entire time.
>>43603167
He's the best ramp spell in the game aside from Primetime
So, Edric, Claw of Progress. Mana elves in the deck, yes or no? Because I'm tempted to slap in Llanowar, Birds, Mystic, and Treespeaker. Mana in the early game, experience counters and kind of threats since you can throw all your +1/+1 counters onto them in the mid to late game.
>>43603356
>Mana elves in the deck
Obviously.
All of them, like any green quick deck.
They are even better now because they gain you counters, and can be made huge.
>>43598625
oi fuck you mate
How do you tell a tumblrite with an obnoxious tryhard deck to stop coming to edh events without looking like the bad guy? everyone hates that cunt, and even more his know-it-all attitude. Most of us are suspicious that he stacks his deck, he only does the shuffle where you lay out your cards into 10 piles of 10 and then stack them all together. 'he' always seems to pull the right cards to combo off on turn 3-4.
Any time you confront the bastard, he starts yelling about how "he's a victim because he's transgender"
tl;dr how to tell a cunt to stop playing?
>>43603541
Way to prove his point.
>>43603760
Tell whoever runs the event that the player in question is cheating, and that his continued presence at events is making everyone else unhappy.
That's assuming that everyone actually hates him though, if it's just you being salty I would say start a blog about how much you hate him and post there instead of on /tg/.
>>43603760
Well, you could just split his deck after shuffling or ask him to regular shuffle for a second after he's done.
What's the cheapest way for a eurofag to buy singles for EDH? Never really bought that many and my usual shops come with pretty hefty shipping costs for that many different singles.
>>43599184
Call the company
>>43599279
All permanents have summoning sickness, but it only affects creatures. This rule exists because sometimes things that aren't creatures become creatures.
>>43603541
>trying to prove RW isn't shit
>posts Bassandra
Best zombie commander?
>>43603953
Why is Thraximundar even blue? Everything about him is 100% BR
>>43603953
Grimgrin
>>43603953
i think there is only 2 choices.
you either go with sidisi or grimgrin.
gisa is mono B
What are some good, low-CMC cards to play in mono black reanimator in the early game? I'm waiting for some cards to arrive and now that I think of it, my mana curve is pretty high. Also I don't have much ramp, except for
>wayfarer's bauble (cmc 1)
>myriad landscape (cmc 0)
>charcoal diamond (cmc 2)
>sol ring (cmc 1)
>jet medallion (cmc 2)
>crypt ghast (cmc 4)
>caged sun (cmc 6)
>sad robot (cmc 4)
>burnished hart (cmc 3)
>cabal coffers (cmc 0)
anything I could or should include that I can use in the early game? Because this here is like 10 cards out of 99 I'd want to have in my opening hand.
>>43602788
Isn't that just stasis?
>>43598678
Publiic Knowledge 2W
At the beginning of each end step, if a player drew more than one card this turn, each of that player's opponents may draw a card.
>>43598721
What is a rules lawyer?
>>43598925
Explain further, be more specific
>>43603794
magiccardmarket if you're in Europe
>>43603760
Cut his deck in 4 and lay the lowest part on top.
This is my foolproof anti-stacking way for "casual" formats/RELs where you're not actually expected to shuffle the oponent's deck toroughly.
Tell all your friends to do the same. If he's actually cheating he won't win a game that day.
>>43603794
Pucatrade.
It will be slow, but it will be as cheap as a couple toploaders, envelopes and stamps..
>>43604061
Here are some lower CMC cards I run in my Chainer.
>>43603953
>Zombie tribal
Grimgrin
>Zombies goodstuff
Sidisi
>Zombie control/midrange
Gisa.
>>43604231
Sweet, thank you. Spawning pit looks good; can't really have too many sac outlets!
should I run expedition map to find cabal coffers( or ghost quarter of necessary)?
>>43604220
I just do a variety of retarded, unpredictable cuts. Really though, if you're worried just shuffle it. Then shuffle everyone's so they don't know who you're singling out.
>>43604254
I don't see why you couldn't if you have a slot for it.
Here are some other good lands that you might think of using.
>>43604236
thanks lad
>>43600098
just play a bit more steady...look at your hand and form a game plan that involves holding some threats back, only fill your gy when you can access it immediately, etc. Save your threats for later in the game when a player might already be vulnerable.
If that doesn't work, just blow up their lands.
>>43604356
How would you use this?
>>43603167
I only figured that out a few days ago too.
My mind was blown.
>>43605430
instant speed spells and activated abilities like Ashling.
>>43604231
How is stinkweed imp for early game action? I figure it keeps people from attacking you and once it dies you can start filling up your raveyard.
>>43605430
Teferi/Hypersonic Dragon
>>43603760
>he only does the shuffle where you lay out your cards into 10 piles of 10 and then stack them all together
Well he's doing it with the cards face down, right? I don't see a problem with that, EDH decks are pretty big, especially when sleeved.
>>43598678
Literally fucking reprint Military Intelligence as white
>>43605575
>never heard of this card
>look it up
>perfect way for Boros colors to draw cards
>it's fucking blue
>>43605604
It fucking boggles the mind that it's not white
Fuck MaRo and his blue boner
>against things blatantly destroying the color pie unless it's blue
>>43605617
>Military Intelligence
Silly anon, thinking ahead is blue's specialty. Literally no other color is allowed to do it. XD
>>43600444
How did I never know about kurkesh. He's going in Jor Kadeen right away.
>>43605672
Bindi Irwin definitely belongs to a green deck.
>>43603965
just being a zombie alone makes him blue, havent you seem the blue zombie token?
>>43599043
It's a pyramid scheme
>>43599043
What is even the point of using this when the only things you'd likely want to give away on here are your commons and shit rares? The price of stamps and envelopes alone would make using this more expensive than Star Shitty Games.
>>43605782
Why do people even use that shitty site when tcgplayer is almost always cheaper?
General ruling question: if my opponent has Elesh "Cockblock" Norn out, I have Newzuri on the field and activate some spell that summons 2/2 or lower tokens, do the tokens trigger his ability or are they never even entering the battlefield?
>>43605802
They enter and cause abilities to trigger, then immediately die before a player gets priority.
>>43605802
They do enter, but they die instantly.
>>43605810
Thanks for the quick response.
>>43605802
They enter the battlefield.
>>43605672
Ghostly Prison is a white Propaganda reprint, why not do it again with an effect that actually makes sense for white
Which colorless walker is better? I like to run one of them in most of my decks as a catch all bomb that I can cast mid game.
Right now I feel Ugin is a bit better since he is better suited for getting my back in the game if I am behind. Karn for the most part is better at taking care of the biggest problem on the board once he hits however I don't find his plus that useful and if I ever did get to his ult I can't think of a time I would find it useful. Ugin on the other hand all his modes are useful and if I ult with him I am pretty close to winning the game afterwards.
>>43605859
>not wanting to literally reset time with Karn's ult
>>43605859
Depends on what colors you are and what you lack.
Hard to justify Karn over Ugin in monoworthless because white already has plenty of spot removal and is lacking in card draw. But monogreen could desperately use Karn.
>>43605859
Karn easily.
But Ugin is still fantastic.
>>43605859
I'd say ugin. wiping however much of the board you feel like is a lot stronger than exiling one thing in multiplayer. and his +1 basically reads "your opponents can't cast creatures with <4 toughness"
>>43605430
kruphix
>>43605575
>Military Intelligence
This is literally Battalion card draw. What the fuck Wizards why is this not in Boros colors
>>43605946
Hopefully not as your commander.
>>43605947
>card draw
Found the answer.
>>43606118
It's not like white doesn't have cantrips, and they do have a couple niche draw engines
>>43606201
>>43606118
>>43605947
White has Armistice, it's fine.
>>43606201
If you play a lot of creatures, Mastery of the Unseen can be a decent mana sink and substitute card draw engine, at least. It can go off pretty well in my Karametra deck, at least (but that usually has a trillion lands on the table)
Why do people hate this card? I've been trying it out in decks that need coloured mana rocks and it seems decent
>>43606247
Comes in tapped.
>>43606247
>2 mana for tapped rock
>taps for 1
Not particularly efficient, I'd say. You'd be better off playing Command Tower or something
Or an Imprinted Extraplanar Lens on a guildgate or something
