>be me
>have 2 friends come over for magic
>they bring a new blood
>cool guy, bit quiet
>play a few games
>finish edh game
>me and new guy both dead
>trade while the game finishes
>goes through my binder and gets to the back and sees pic related
>it's fake but I don't say anything becuase it could ruin potential future trades
>pulls it out, we make a trade, he slots it into a deck
>everybody is happy
>feel slight guilt today
What would you guys do in my situation?
I meant to take the card out ages ago but always forgot to.
What are your experiences with fakes so far?
>>43593699
>>43593699
I'm fine with proxies. Any playgroup that doesn't let people use proxies is a bad one in my book.
I think that fakes are stupid, and especially paying for them. Trading fakes for real value is reprehensible.
You're suppose to suck dick not be a dick. But what did he trade you? If its a jace the mind sculpture, you are a dick. If it was a origins mountain yeah okay whatever. You need to tell him and give him back his card let him keep your fake. Tell him what's up and maybe make up a small story of why you didn't realize it was a fake right away
>>43593699
>ethical question
you really need to ask? what do you want to hear, some sort of justification?
>>43593792
I'd be okay with getting a fake Cube printed up, but otherwise agree with this.
>>43593826
Just say you borrowed it from a friend and forgot it was fake or something.
>>43593699
>What would you guys do in my situation?
"Oh yeah that shouldn't be in there" and leave it at that you fuck fuck
>I ripped someone off
>I want to not feel guilty
If you just told him it was a fake, there would be no problem
What's the difference between a fake and a real thing? A cereal code or something?
>>43593826
>make up a small story of blah blah
Fuck that. Just tell him "Hey I traded you a proxy and was too embarrassed to tell you it was one at the time. Sorry. Here's your card"
You don't need to lie. It does absolutely nothing for you.
>>43593699
You should really do >>43593826
Give him his card back.
>>43593826
Foil omniscience. Part of me feels bad, but the other part is like "I'll never see this guy again and im up $100"
>>43593836
Yes actually. Who's to say we don't have fakes and don't even know it. This guy may die and never know, yet it gave him the same joy and playability as a real card would. Hell he could trade it and nobody would know.
I keep hearing people selling fakes to scg and shit, and i hate the reserved list. I guess I want to be an edgy "down with the establishment" guy but taking advantage of some random guy dosent seem like the way to do it.
>>43593950
Real ones are made by WotC.
Fake ones are made by this one guy in China.
>>43593988
And?
>it's fake but I don't say anything becuase it could ruin potential future trades
Why the fuck did you have it in your trade binder in the first place? I suspect you were totally intending to rip someone off with this in a trade, and then after you did it you started feeling incredibly guilty about it. Just level with the guy. Give him his cards back and just let him keep the Damnation, it's the only way to get back your peace of mind.
From an objective stand point though this an excellent choice of card for committing an MTG 'sin' with.
>>43593958
Yea. I'll probably do this. And let him keep the fake.
It was an odd rush though. Like I just got a free $100 card.
>>43594000
Didn't notice the irony until now. Lol
>>43593979
>Who's to say we don't have fakes and don't even know it
I only buy foils and fake foils are bad. What are you, poor?
>>43593988
Yeah, basically the same thing that makes fiat currency real or fake.
>>43593996
if you ever want to play in a sanctioned tournament, you could get deck checked and disqualified if the judges are paying close attention. it's unlikely but it happens.
>>43594031
Well you arent speaking for 5 million players. Alot of competitive players refuse to use foils becuase of warping.
Why are all you guys advocating for giving away a card that probably cost OP ones of dollars?
>>43593979
Then own it. Stop saying excuses like
>feel slight guilt today
>I meant to take the card out ages ago but always forgot to.
Why i hate proxies is 99% of the supporters are hypocrites like you whose real intention is trying to sell them off as real.
>>43593699
>What would you do in my situation?
"Hey, Anon! Is that a Damnation? Holy cow! I'll trade you."
Oh shit, I meant to take that out, it's not real. Sorry about that man.
"Oh, okay. Thanks for telling me, anon. That would've been a dick move to trade a fake fifty dollar card to me."
No problem man, I'm not an asshole.
>>43594085
So your saying there's no in-between?
Trust me I WANT to keep the card. But I feel like I shouldn't want to keep it. And it's fucking gay.
>>43593950
If the guy tries trading or selling it in the future to a more careful collector he may not be able to, or may become ostracized because they think he's trying to scam them. Its game utility is the same but magic cards have a separate life as a trade good that factors into scenarios just like this one.
>>43593979
>I keep hearing people selling fakes to scg and shit
those anons are trollers or chink shillers while you are an asshole. learn the difference.
>>43593950
Fakes get you kicked out of sanctioned tournies,and are made by wizards of the coast. Dammnation is a card that sees mostly modern play, and any half decent commander/kitchentablegroup should really let you proxy cards above like 50 dollars.
>>43594148
er, meant to add that real cards are made by WOTC, don't know how that vanished.
As a legacy player,I totally agree that the reserve list needs to die, but scamming people is hardly the right way to go about it.
>>43593979
>Foil omniscience for damnation
That's not even a fair trade, you're ahead like 40+ dollars in that. At this point I'd say the other friend is to blame for accepting such a shit trade.
>>43594175
There was other cards involved but damnation was the bulk of the value.
So I'm really up $60.
>>43594175
It's not like anyone actually sells their magic cards. They just put them in decks and cycle them until they become too attached to trade it to anyone.
>>43594111
What in between? Either you're a scammer or you're not.
Bullshits like feeling guilty inside doesn't suddenly turn you into the good guy.
>>43594215
I don't have nearly enough money to blow for a real version of the card.
>>43594215
No shit.
I'm debating whether to be full fledge idgaf and rid my guilt that way.
Or apologize and make things right and rid my guilt that way. So far make things right seems to be the popular opinion.
It's just a card game. You did nothing wrong when you traded one piece of overpriced cardboard for another piece of overpriced cardboard.
>>43593979
>Looking for justification
Not gonna get it here. You scammed him, and it wasn't even a trivial $5 scam. Best thing to do would be to own up, but if that's too hard you should at least try to pass it off as a mistake and offer to trade back.
>>43594320
>You did nothing wrong when you traded one piece of overpriced piece of fiat currency for another overpriced piece of fiat currency
Do you realize how retarded you sound?
>>43594406
Can I take a mtg card to the local resturaunt and pay for my meal with it? Then it's not comparable to fiat currency. Besides, it's a retarded card game meant to drain the wallets of insecure neckbeards looking for ways to one-up each other's decks.
>>43593699
>What would you guys do in my situation?
Not be a terrible person
>>43594439
You can't go to the local restaurant and pay for a meal with foreign currency either, but passing off a counterfeit version of that is still fraud. The fact that you don't like the game doesn't change the fact that the cards are worth money and OP ripped somebody off.
How do you get these Chinese Magic?
>>43594650
Cards are not equal to fiat currency. A "shiny ogre monster#37" card might be worth $15.00, but what about all the other ones? Fiat currency is uniform in its home country. I'm pretty sure here has never been a country with over a thousand different forms of fiat currency floating about.
Basically what I'm saying is stop pretending your card game is important.
>>43594990
>hur how do analogies work
The salient point is that it has economic value and that value comes entirely from artificial scarcity. Again, the fact that you think the game is stupid doesn't change the fact that these pieces of paper sell for hundreds of dollars. Again, I ask if you realized that you sound mentally deficient?
>>43593699
Is there a way to get fakes that are obviously faked but still feel like real cards?
I'd like to play with some rare cards but don't even way to pretend they're real.
>>43594320
you wanna trade me a bunch of $50 bills for all my $1 ones?
Can anybody give me a suggestion on What 2-3 cards to take out of my modern deck to put in 2-3 lightning bolts? Ik im off topic but i would appreciate some advice.
Pic related
>>43593699
I've traded proxies before
But i told them that are proxies, and i traded them at a fraction of their worth
Op is a shitbag, and i would only rip off a shitbag with a proxy trade for revenge
>>43595055
I do get what you're saying. These cards do have economic worth, but so does everything else. This does not mean stealing isn't wrong, but OP didn't steal either. The other participant in the trade made the trade of his own free will so OP doesn't have to worry about anything.
>>43595138
That analogy only works if you create exact duplicates of $50 bills that are different because of a few tiny marks that are hardly noticeable.
>>43595162
>What is fraud
I keep my playset of modern and legacy fakes in a big box, and if for some reason I have one in a binder or deck box and someone's asked to trade for it I just tell them "sorry, that's not for trade, I just have it there for now." I fully support chinese fakes but I wouldn't ever trade them to an unsuspecting player. I bought them to play whatever I wanted, and they do that great.
>>43595162
He made the trade under a wrong impression. That would be fraud. If people cared enough.
>>43595192
Fine. Go try and get OP arrested for fraud when he traded some other person a card.
Are fake cards allowed in tournaments or does it all have to be official cards with extensive ban lists? What would happen if it was found out you were using a fake:
>Creature
>Basic landDont ask why there's be a fake land, I'm not chinese
>Other land
>Instnts/sorceries/enchantments
>>43595198
How does one acquire said chinese fakes?
>>43593699
I wouldn't have done the trade you shit cunt.
>>43593979
You deserve a messy sickness to recur until your end days.
>>43595293
Amazon, EBay, your FLGS, or some chump.
>>43595277
why would the type matter at all
>>43595317
Because I think it'd be absolutely regarded for someone to be thrown out of a tournament because they had a fake basic land or a fake 1/1 creature in their deck. I would understand if someone had a fake "take a extra turn" sorcery and they got kicked out.
>>43593699
Go up to him, give him his cards back, profusely apologize for what a shithead you are, mention it's a fake but don't ask for it back.
>>43595277
If you are found out using proxies, no matter what card it is, in a sancioned store or larger event the at the very least you are facing permanant ban from that organizer/store and at the very worst you can get reported at WotC and get your DCI number flaged which essentially means you can't play outside of the kitchentable with friends.
>>43595277
You get D/Ced. If they can prove that you did it intentionally/knowingly, a DCI ban might follow.
>>43595338
Its not a matter of value, its a matter of the rules and procedures being respected.
>>43595277
>Players may use any Authorized Game Cards from Magic: The Gathering expansions, core sets, special sets, supplements, and promotional printings. Authorized Game Cards are cards that, unaltered, meet the following conditions:
>The card is genuine and published by Wizards of the Coast
the infraction would likely be cheating, but I'm no judge
>>43595338
a) the DCI is run by wizards, not placing a global ban on fake cards is shitty business
b) what is the cutoff for where it matters? what if the 1/1 has an incredibly powerful ability? is a 1/2 okay? a 2/1? what if the "take an extra turn" sorcery is worth a quarter on the open market, at most? exceptions make the rule difficult or impossible to enforce reasonably
>>43595407
Holy fuck. I didn't realize how pants on head autistic mtg tournaments really are.
>Oh sorry I forgot to take out that fake island-
>YOU'RE BANNED FOR LIFE YOU MONSTER. YOU WILL NEVER PLAY MTG AGAIN! BURNNN THE WITCH!!!!
>>43595432
oh that quote is from http://wpn.wizards.com/sites/wpn/files/attachements/mtg_mtr_15oct02_en.pdf
>>43595457
>having a fake island
this is already stupid. that said judges and TOs are people too. if you legitimately just screwed up at a fnm or something they're unlikely to bust your balls about it. if you're bringing fake cards to a competitive or higher level event, you're a scrublord anyway and should have some professionalism
>>43595489
Nope. At /tg/ we all must discuss possible events as if there is no morality or will involved. The judges must ban you from all future tournaments and send out a memo banning you from all FLGS across the country.
>>43594111
Of course there is no in-between. People are judged on their acts, not their intentions.
To push the example a little, so you understand:
>Yeah I raped her and ate her alive, but I hadn't got laid in months and was very hungry. Also I felt guilty afterwards, plus her flesh gave me a stomach ache, so I already am punished enough, right?
That's what you sound like, all things being equal.
You're a complete asshole, and giving him his card back will make you a minor asshole instead, which would be a great improvement.
Or tell yourself that you have a little sister with leukemia and that you need all the money you can find to pay for her hospilaization, and then go on with your life. If you want to lie to yourself at least to it with some panache.
>>43594000
Or he could just have said "I don't want to trade this one". OP fails to produce even the tiniest justification.
>>43593699
>it's a fake but
Stopped reading
There is no but
You tell him it's a fake
Maybe even throw it in free because it has as much value as a basic land
>having fakes in your binder
Fucking why?
>>43595457
Virt may be gone but his spirit lingers
>>43593699
How much of a faggot can you be OP?
You rip a guy off and then come to /tg/ and beg forgiveness to feel better, but have no interest in making it up to the guy.
You purposefully traded a fake for a real card, stop pretending you give a shit about guilt.
>>43595618
Don't compare me to that monster.
>>43595308
no there are page for ordering but I don't know them
Give him back the cards you got from the trade and get your fake card back. Ask for forgiveness and tell him you felt like crap since you made the faulty deal. If he's civil he'll either forgive you and move on or get pissed and punch you in the face. Either way your conscious is clear and you can keep your fake card.
>These are the kind of people that buy from chinamen.
Screencaping this thread for the next time retards explode when I say I don't support proxies because I don't trust you fuckers to not be asshats.
>>43595809
Show that screencap please? Also I support proxy use in casual or non-competitive games but I understand if they're banned in all tournaments.
>>43595663
Virt wasn't even that bad. /tg/ has no real opinion of tripfags because you've never had a real boardkiller. The only reason he was so bad was because /tg/ has no idea how to handle tripfags.
The worst things he did was make pointless threads to shitpost in and reply to himself. If other people stopped replying to him, he would have left on his own accord.
He deserved to be banned but "monster"? Compared to the tripfags of yore on other boards, he wasn't shit.
>>43595873
Someone find that screencap of his confession and many many horrendous reddit posts?
>>43595937
I've already seen it.
He was an attention seeking sociopath and, as a board, you handled it by giving him more attention. How did you think that was going to turn out?
Just keep in mind for the next one: ignore, report, filter, and move on.
>>43595873
You act as if every other board is filled with Lanced Jacks. The only worst one that exists right now that come to mind is that Rugg chode nigga that spams porn and offtopic threads on /v/ and /a/. I guess maybe some other super tripfag could exists in one of the hellhole boards like vg,b,soc,mlp etc but at that point the tripfag is just another anon if that board as a whole is shit.
>>43596012
>report
The problem with virt. Was that he couldn't be reported because he technically wasn't breaking any rules.
>>43596369
Trolling outside of /b/ is against the rules.
>>43594100
I don't understand why saying "oh shit, is that in there? that one's a fake, man, it only cost me $x for a playset. I'll trade you for what it cost me if you still want it."
>>43595809
i can assure you almost all proxy supporters are neckbeards who wants to trade it as real cards.
i mean if they just want to cube or kitchen table with it, why the fuck are they complaining about the shape of the card's corners.
>>43593699
>>43595457
Its not really like that though
>>43595139
not gonna lie this deck looks legit awful.
>>43593699
I'm with you, OP.
Card prices are ridiculous. I'm all for kids being scammed, that's the only way WotC will make something about it.
>>43593699
I'm with the entirety of the thread. You're a dick for going through with this trade. Your guilt is justified and you should get him to trade back, possibly even throwing something.
>>43593699
>What would you guys do in my situation?
'hey dude that damnation i traded you was a counterfeit. here's your thing back, sorry. I meant to take the card out ages ago but always forgot to. mea culpa.'
>What are your experiences with fakes so far?
ben johnson is banned from everywhere in my area
Wait... I play a good deal of magic just with friends, but I don't really follow the meta or high value cards or anything like that. Are you telling me a foil Omniscience is worth $100?!
Cause I got two of them for like 50ยข at some shitty game shop, and they're just sitting in a box somewhere
>>43595277
If you were found using fake cards, your deck is illegal and the fakes will be substituted for basic lands or real cards IF you can find them during the course of the tournament. But at first you will get basics.
Also, you will have to face some unpleasant questions from the judges and will most likely get disqualified if the judges think you used fake cards on purpose. WotC might want to ask you some questions as well. I don't know about the length of the ban but it might even be an entire two years for you not playing any sanctioned events.
I'm not even talking about answering the weird question of "Why did they disqualify you at the tournament?" your friends and peers will ask you later. Have fun ever being credible again. :^)
I've traded hundreds of fakes. Stoneman's newest batch is simply stunning. My friends and I will be selling/trading my most recent shipment at GP Atlanta this weekend. Can't wait.
No remorse here.
>>43600113
>"Why did they disqualify you at the tournament?"
remember the mcguffins i bought last week from lgs1 and lgs2? they turned out to be fakes!
>>43593699
All you had to say was: "Oh that's not for trade, I forgot to take it out!".
I allow proxies in my playgroup because there just aren't enough duals in the world and EDH is not a sanctioned tournament format, but you, you're a faggot.
>>43600990
>implying you didn't tell all your friends about you being a clever guy by buying fakes online instead of expensive real cards
>implying there won't be rumors about you everywhere you played at
>>43600990
i actually triggered myself selling a couple fetches i bought 2 years ago from my main lgs back to my main lgs because i had the thought 'what if these were fakes from that one shitlord the whole time and nobody ever checked'?
>>43601035
>>implying you didn't tell all your friends about you being a clever guy by buying fakes online instead of expensive real cards
'the thing that never happened' starring you, me, and that guy.
>>implying there won't be rumors about you everywhere you played at
i have itemized receipts :^)
