Could a generic, unexceptional Pathfinder succubus take over our modern world?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/demon/succubus
The modern world has no magic at its disposal, but holy water is actual holy water and major religious relics count as good-aligned weapons, and the succubus's magic works normally.
The modern world has an Ethereal Plane, but nobody is inside it other than the Ethereal Jaunting succubus.
The succubus can summon the babau normally, which is a randomly selected babau each time. The babau lasts for an hour.
The succubus's Common language is modern English, but she also has Tongues.
The succubus's Knowledge (local) +15 represents her ability to intuit things about places and society.
The succubus has Disguise +29 when using her Change Shape ability.
"Cold iron" means "cold-forged iron." If it could be called steel, it does not count.
>A creature that successfully saves against a spell that has no obvious physical effects feels a hostile force or a tingle, but cannot deduce the exact nature of the attack. Likewise, if a creature's saving throw succeeds against a targeted spell, you sense that the spell has failed. You do not sense when creatures succeed on saves against effect and area spells.
>Sense Motive: Sense Enchantment: You can tell that someone's behavior is being influenced by an enchantment effect even if that person isn't aware of it. The usual DC is 25, but if the target is dominated (see dominate person), the DC is only 15 because of the limited range of the target's activities.
The succubus is Plane Shifted from the Abyss to Times Square at noon in a human disguise, with no foreknowledge other than an impulse to take over the world, and no items except for an expensive office lady outfit.
>>43556569
No.
Someone would eventually see through the disguise, some level 6 expert with skill focus perception and observant. After people found out she was a demon they'd simply kill her in any number of ways. She had DR, but there are people who can just do enough damage to surpass it, like a trained sniper with vital strike/deadly aim/etc.
>>43556569
7billion plus people in the world. Eventually somebody would figure it out and take her out.
>>43556569
Nah, she'll just take a job at McDonald's and get into wacky hijnks.
>>43556569
>Could
Yes.
>>43556569
You do realize that all iron is heated and that "cold-forged iron" is a bloody IT DOESN'T WELL EXIST I SWEAR TO GOD COLD IRON DOESN'T EVEN REFER TO THE DAMN FORGING PROCESS, IT'S FROM A LINE ABOUT THE OLD CELTIC FAE WHY THE HELL DOES EVERYONE GET THIS WRONG.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_in_folklore#Cold_iron
HERE YOU GO. HERE IS YOUR DAMN 'COLD IRON' IT DOESN'T MEAN COLD FORGED, IT DOESN'T MEAN BATHED IN MOON LIGHT IT SURE AS HELL DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WAS NEVER HEATED.
IT MEANS A FUCKING CHUNK OF IRON THAT YOU STAB PEOPLE WITH.
Jesus. And yes, you can cold forge steel, after the steel is made. Since cold forging literally just means that you take a hunk of metal and hammer it into shape without heating. Usually softer metals, but occasionally things like thin sheets of steel and such.
>>43556681
It's like "cold steel", it's just a fancy way to say something, from the days where saying things in fancy ways was a pretty big deal.
>>43556681
Yeah. Cold iron is a figure of speech, like "eat hot lead!". It doesn't refer to any specifc kind of iron that has magical properties (although iron in itself may have special effect against fae because of its symbolic value), but is a fancy way of saying "it dies if you stab it with a sword".
>>43556596
Could that person get others to believe them though?
>>43556725
In 3.PF though:
>This iron, mined deep underground and known for its effectiveness against demons and fey creatures, is forged at a lower temperature to preserve its delicate properties.
What pathway would she take to obtain her power though? Politics? There's over a hundred independent squabbling countries that constitute earth. Finances? Even if she married into the richest family on earth she wouldn't control much beyond Dubai, where as a woman she would have zero political ability. Military might? There are checks and balances against any one power actually going on the offensive against the world.
She couldn't conquer the whole world, but could definitely snag a part of it for herself. What part is highly debatable.
Secondly, if you take the destructive potential of modern weapons into account: a DR of 5/ cold iron is pretty much nothing. Even with her advanced HP and AC, a hellfire missile (irony!) could obliterate her and there's almost nothing she could do.
>>43556804
>succubus
>taking the combat method
>>43556898
I'm merely expressing all her options, friend Anon. She could just seduce a general into going rogue. But that's not a way to conquer the world anymore.
You rrealize the Catholic church actually continues to take demons very seriously and teaches their priests courses on spiritual warfare andexorcism, right? The modern world is far from supernaturally helpless.
>>43556804
So the problem does not lie in her ability to influence people, but rather the sheer immensity of our world?
Question:
Do her abilities work over TV/radio/internet/etc?
>>43556984
>Do her abilities work over TV/radio/internet/etc?
For the same reason they would never work through scrying, no.
>>43556992
So she's screwed if she leaves any one country/area too long?
>>43556998
Maybe, maybe not.
Those charms and dominates last for 12 days.
>>43556984
Pretty much that. She's be a perpetual major player in the world, but never able to hold on to the whole thing.
>Marries incredibly rich man.
>He dies.
>He didn't leave a proper will.
>Lawyers contest it.
>Lawyers make their will save.
>She has to go through the court system.
>Wins a chunk of money.
>But has no industry or influence.
>Has to fake suicide and start over.
>>43557005
Well considerig that it takes more than a day to travel from one side of the world to the next, it's going to be hard to keep all those Charms and Dominates fresh on everyone.
Plus suspicious travel time/frequency.
Actually, on that note:
If the Succubus is picked up by the FBI/Interpol/whatever and locked in high security, how easily could she break out?
How long could she stay out?
>>43556569
We do have pop stars, so maybe a cultural victory?
>>43556804
>where as a woman she would have zero political ability
You know she can assume male form, right?
>>43557059
At a penalty to her disguise checks.
>>43556569
She shows up at one of the Rothschild's Satan-worshipping rituals, and proceeds to join the kikes in enslaving the Western world.
>>43557042
>Well considerig that it takes more than a day to travel from one side of the world to the next
Greater Teleport.
>>43557100
SurveilanceCan never remember that spellingsystems
Cameras
Instant messaging/sharing of pictures
I mean, I know she could use her magic, but in an era where so much is recorded and instantly shared to thousands upon thousands of people, it'd be hard to keep instantaneous travel quiet for long, especially if your plans are world domination.
Can't she just sneak onto a nuclear sub and wreak havoc?
>>43557042
She can break out of just about any place using Ethereal Jaunt.
>>43557117
Go into broom closet, Greater Teleport out.
>>43556569
A country? Maybe for a while. The world? No way, some other country would just nuke the first one well before global domination became a realistic scenario. The demon is tough but not tough enough to stand up to items that replicate epic level spell effects.
>>43557184
A big country she could rule forever, maybe.
>>43556668
Don't you know anon, that being successful into the fast food business is the first step to conquer the world?
>>43557213
I feel like eventually someone would figure out that their strangely similar line of female rulers were all the same (demonic) person and chaos would ensue, assuming the actual world and not some variant where people are kinda blase about supernatural beings it would eventually be a problem. World leaders are kind of under a lot of scrutiny.
>>43557235
Better to use mundane Bluffing and Diplomancy to serve as a shadow ruler.
Bluff +27 and Diplomacy +19 can take you places.
>>43556681
>>43556709
>>43556725
Cold Iron in D&D refers to a version of iron mined from very deep within the earth. Nothing about its forging process.
>>43557390
>This iron, mined deep underground and known for its effectiveness against demons and fey creatures, is forged at a lower temperature to preserve its delicate properties.
>>43556969
>You rrealize the Catholic church actually continues to take demons very seriously and teaches their priests courses on spiritual warfare andexorcism, right? The modern world is far from supernaturally helpless.
Except of course that none of these things exist, and the demons they prepare for are of the traditional "I can't believe it's not mental illness!" variety.
A Succubus would put her dainty fingers through any exorcists' eyeballs.
>>43557808
And a fedora tip to you too sir. OP already noted holywater and scripture works.
>>43556569
She's too late for the party.
>>43557923
>that image
>>43557070
No. Magic, dumbass.
The most overlooked and potentially most powerful ability is Greater Teleport, at will.
With that by itself, a lone succubus has enough of an advantage to effectively sabotage just about anything, kill anyone, steal just about anything, and with her high intelligence, that means she'll know exactly what she needs to do.
Even ignoring all of her other abilities, an intelligent creature that can be anywhere it wants in the world at any time is very likely capable of taking over the world. Combine that with the ability to disguise itself, and we have an extremely effective assassin, thief, and saboteur.
It would take a long time to take over the entire world, but with an infinite lifespan, that's really the least of her concerns.
>>43557871
For attacks, not for actual exorcism.
>>43558018
This.
The spell description says no range limit, she could even just teleport back and forth to a celestial body carrying bits and pieces to assemble a space hideout, heck she could do it multiple times and colonize the whole galaxy and beyond by herself.
>>43558111
>succubus on the moon
There'd be really no way to attack her up there.
>>43558018
Even with teleport, ruling the world requires delegation.
So she just needs to apply disguises and diplomacy to put utterly devoted and brainwashed puppets into leadership positions of the biggest states, then one by one manipulate smaller states into being assimilated or into joining in to form another giant state.
Then she'd just need to run micromanagement in order to prevent rebellions.
And there comes the funny thing.
The world under a secret heel of a demon won't feel any different.
It's easy to have the guy on top answer to you and give you maximum possible comfortable life, a mansion in every corner of the world.
But starting to oppress the masses would be pointless for-giggle exercise by then, which would only create rebellions. To prevent rebellions, you can just keep them at "moderately content" forever and they'll never find you're there.
>>43558305
There is a Pathfinder adventure about this, Moonscar.
>>43556569
No, because a succubus who rules a nation, let alone a planet, is already exceptional by metric of scarcity.
>>43558320
That's not really ruling the world so much as sitting on top of it.
The ultimate goal of the succubus would likely be to create a soul factory that she can take the most advantage of. Even if this did result in having to deal with rebellions, a succubus could easily take care of just about any such insurgency.
>>43556804
>where as a woman she would have zero political ability.
That's actually an asset. A succubus would have no trouble twisting some rich oil baron around her finger, but because on paper HE'S the one in charge, she's free from most scrutiny. On top of that, it means she can easily detach herself from him if a better prospect comes along and opens up the option of leading him into a sacrifice play that provides excellent opportunities for her next victim to consolidate power.
All the while she'd look like a trophy wife being passed from one victor to the next, which is nothing particularly unusual in that part of the world, assuming she decided to remain in a single form. With shapeshifting and magic available, she could very well control a dozen major players behind the scenes at the same time.
>>43558388
>HE'S the one in charge
>>43556569
>Could a generic, unexceptional Pathfinder succubus take over our modern world?
Easily. She doesn't need to tempt all 7 billion of us, just the right people. If she seduces the right dozen or so men, she can set off a nuclear war pretty much at will.
>>43558442
*tips fedora*
>>43558447
What the actual fuck? What did I even say that's not widely known and/or doesn't logically flow form a succubus' abilities?
>>43558375
Well that wasn't in the OP's mission.
So, how exactly doth that soul factory work.
Does the succubus need to commit sex act with somebody to get it? That would have some fixed length per person, so once she has set it all up, she'd just have a steady stream of studs waiting in every controlled state, well enough maintain that her entire time will be split between maintaining the control and fucking the souls out.
If concentration camp equivalent, then that's much harder to set up world wide.
She'd need to use non-magical diplomacy to gradually froth up racism and conflict in controlled world states, until they would be nearly ready to erupt into a war.
Then she would start it, slowly. Remove all the nukes, just conventional warfare and occupying territory. They would build camps and extract as much as they can from extant populace. Then the defending country will finally "get it shit together" and beat them out of there.
All controlled states will be doing it to each other simultaneously, fostering the hate engine of war.
They would attack and occupy different areas at different times, but never go too deep, letting the central core of each state to repopulate the outskirts eventually.
>>43558459
Yup, I'm sure "Aww baby just nuke Uganda for me pleeaaaase" is really going to work.
>>43558459
It's just a shitty meme that has lost all meaning, you shouldn't take it seriously. Just ignore those who use it.
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>>43558486
Do you know what happened when Napoleon returned from Elba? The new Bourbon kings sent an army to arrest him. Napoleon exposed his chest to said army and told them "here is your emperor, shoot if you must". That army instead followed him to Paris and conquered the city for him, prompting the Hundred Days.
By pathfinder/3.5e rules, Napoleon was level 6 at best. This means that at best he had 18 charisma and at best 9 ranks in diplomacy, for a total bonus of 13 to diplomacy. At best.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/demon.htm#succubus
A succubus has TWENTY-SIX charisma and TWELVE ranks in diplomacy. You cannot even fathom how fucking convincing succubi are. Yes, they could easily convince the US president (or any other leader of a nuclear power) to nuke Uganda, even without using the mindcontrol spell-like effects she obviously has.
>>43558475
>Does the succubus need to commit sex act with somebody to get it?
No.
>>43558516
Not the anon you're replying to, and I find your explanation laudable, but, I think there would have been a situational bonus on Napoleon's checks. A big ass one. Also, I'd like to see your source for him being 6th level. And at 6th level, wouldn't his maximum charisma be 19?
>>43557485
>mined deep underground
It's iron, but a different kind (it's magic, so fuck reality). Stop being so anal about the term.
>>43556569
This sort of question doesn't work if the rest of the world has no stat reference. What class and level is the average Joe, and high how does it go for the best of us?
>>43558599
http://www.myth-weavers.com/wiki/index.php/Epic_6
I mostly based it on the e6 rules, which function on the assumption that D&D's equivalent of level 6 is the highest level humanly attainable (for mundanes, at least). Anything above that is quite literally superhuman, such as the succubus and her social skills.
>And at 6th level, wouldn't his maximum charisma be 19?
Shit, you're right. Luckily that doesn't change the number-crunching.
>>43558447
*flips tandoori*
>>43558599
I don't know about the rest (though somebody is forgetting about Skill Focus and Persuasive), but the 6th level thing is based on some research somebody did a while back showing that the absolute peak of real-world human ability can be represented by, at most, 6th level characters. As in, the world-record long-jump can be achieved by a 6th level character, and so on. Anything above 6th level is beyond normal human capability when compared to real-world results.
It's what the E6 system is based on, so you can look that up if you want to see it in more detail. I don't have a link to the original discussion to hand.
>>43558641
>>43558661
I asked and I received. That's pretty cool, actually.
>>43558516
That's not a Pathfinder succubus.
>>43558624
>What class and level is the average Joe
I'd say level 1 or 2 commoner, warrior, expert or aristocrat depending on education and social standing.
>>43558677
That's correct. A Pathfinder succubi has even higher Charisma and HD, so even higher Diplomacy.
>>43558677
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/demon/succubus
Pathfinder succubi have even higher CHA and even more ranks in diplomacy. You're not doing yourself any favors.
>>43557808
>Assume holy water, ritual items, etc all work
>Assume exorcisms don't, for no fucking reason
I feel like you may not have paid enough attention to the presented scenario.
>>43558516
>By pathfinder/3.5e rules, Napoleon was level 6 at best.
Please elaborate.
>>43558641
>I mostly based it on the e6 rules, which function on the assumption that D&D's equivalent of level 6 is the highest level humanly attainable (for mundanes, at least).
No, Epic 6 functions on the assumption that seventh level and above are when casters render martials irrelevant thanks to finally getting access to the really bullshit spells. It doesn't have anything to do with the peak capability of real-world humans.
>>43558841
What would an exorcism do, exactly?
>>43558841
>>43559174
Maybe exorcise her power; remove any present control. Basically the mental aspect of Protection From Evil.
>>43556569
A Pathfinder succubus can only exist in the Pathfinder setting. There is for example no alignments in this world, which a PF Succubus needs. There is no magic, you say. Then how did the succubus end up here in the first place? It's an outsider, it can only be summoned here. Same with the Summon Babau spell. I'm sorry, but your question makes no fucking sense. The only way for it to make sense is if you remove all the rules which makes it a "Pathfinder succubus".
>>43556569
Possibly. Not by force, as unless we're talking about the idea sometimes brought up on tg that succubi grow more powerful the more souls they eat, they aren't very strong, even with magic and damage resistance. However, sometimes a single person in the right place can make all the difference in the world. With insanely high charisma and bonus to bluff, plus magical means of compelling people, shapeshifiting and teleportation, a succubus could easily seduce important people all over the world, or just get herself elected to president or something, and nobody would be able to figure she's manipulating all these people from behind the scenes. Control the right people and you effectively control the world.
>>43559363
So it ceases to exist, got it.
>>43559307
Why would that do anything at all? Cold iron, holy water and magic/good attacks all have rules, which is why versions of them were translated into the real world that the succubus is meant to be taking over. There is no exorcism rule to translate though, so you're just trying to add more obstacles for no good reason.
>>43556569
>Could a generic, unexceptional Pathfinder succubus take over our modern world?
Yes because in Pathfinder, you need to fire a machine gun at a succubus for an average of 56 seconds without missing to stagger it.
>>43556569
We will find out in November.
>>43560027
Succubi are hot and have high intelligence, friend.
>>43560049
Yeah but she has everything else:
>Tiny horns, bat-like wings, and a sinuous tail
>>43560049
Hillary Clinton is pretty fucking smart, she just says stupid shit to appeal to stupid voters. Succubi take any form which suits their purposes as well, they're after all not limited to "steal semen, inject semen" in PF.
>>43557117
Also, freaking change shape.
>>43560098
Alright, I concede.
>>43556569
She would just earn less than a man a face discrimination when applying for work due to seemingly being in child bearing age.
>>43560255
http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html
As long as she doesn't marry (ie. doesn't stay at home and leech off her husband), she'll outearn her male peers by a small but significant margin.
Not that feminists ever cared about facts.
>>43560351
>applies only to unmarried, childless women under 30 who live in cities
You forgot a few of those facts.
>>43558516
>>43558641
actually, his max at 6th level would be 21.
max out at 18 with pointbuy/roll, +2 human trait, +1 at level 4.
+6 ranks in diplo, +3 from class skill, +3 skill focus from his bonus feat, and boom, he now has
5+6+3+3+=17 diplomacy.
but wait, there's more.
if you add on 'persuasive' to that it's another +2, and 'voice of the sibyl' gives another +1 when using your voice.
so there you go, Napoleon PC with +20 in diplomacy at level 6.
powergamey as fuck, but he's there regardless.
>>43557235
>female
Doesn't fucking have to be female. Jesus Christ
And as a being of pure chaotic evil, i can't imagine that she'd want to rule the world of humanity. Her biggest asset for toppling civilization is not actually apparently not in the pathfinder rules, which bums me out. In 3.5, creatures who die of energy drain rise from the dead as wights in 1d4+1ish days. A 3.5 succubus could topple the world by unleashing wightpocalypse. Jump to different population centers and get gangbanged, using her energy drain all at once. Store them safely and wait for their revival. join the mile high club to fuck with the CDC. At the same time, you should be in the actual CDC, preferably replacing a high level bureaucrat. Use greater teleport to fuck over various cities, small towns, isolated research facilities, submarines.
Hell, before you get the party started, after you kill a bunch of wight bombs and while you're waiting on them to spawn, go up to the space station.because you've always wanted to go. energy drain one of them. Hide them. Giggle in the ethereal plane as Sempai doesn't notice you
Then, as reports start coming out about wights, suddenly the space station has been completely taken over by these things. they start taking out communications.
Then shit starts really going apeOf course none of this is possible in 3.5.
>>43558516
Napoleon got a gigantic circumstantial bonus due to being hugely popular among the French soldiers. It's not like he could've done the same with a Russian army.
>>43560397
>>if a succubus performs acts of passion on a child she can use greater teleport because corpses count as objects
>hundreds of children wights in one place
On the subject of historical figures talking themselves out of death, after failing a coup to violently overthrow the German government, Hitler managed to talk himself (yes, him, not a lawyer) out of the death sentence for treason, to 5 years of luxury prison where he wrote a book.
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>>43560380
>Childless
Goes without saying. Unmarried women with children are fucked one way or another, whether it's because the dad left and they have to provide and take care of the children all by themselves, or because they're leeches buying new clothes with their child support.
>Under 30
What kind of woman over 30 isn't married yet? A fucked up one. Goes without saying she earns less than her male peers.
>Who live in cities
Agricultural labor favors those with more strength, whudathunkit.
By just referring to them as unmarried, you already get the idea.
>>43556709
>cold steel
Pssssh, nothin personnel kid
>>43556569
>Koakuma
>Succubus
Ayy
>>43558661
Is it possible for a human, with no template silliness, to get 23 strength by level 6?
I believe the most ever lifted off the ground by a human being was somewhere between 1200-1500lbs, and you need at least 23 str to do that.
Regardless, I think the E6 thing is pretty bupkis anyway, it has no room for outliers or the things that people have done that are uncommon/exceptional.
>>43563348
You can get to 21, but I'm guessing the amount lifted was not then held for very long. I'd say that's just a case of making a Strength check to lift more than you normally could for a short period of time.
>>43563348
well, by level 6 you'll at least have one magical item, so... belt of strength +2?
otherwise i guess you could break the rules and stack two +2's as a human alternate trait to get to 23.
>>43563348
>>43563691
Actually, now that you mention it... there is no magic in the real world, but you can use the Automatic Bonus Progression rules to get a +2 to Strength, so you actually can get a 23. The Automatic Bonus Progression rules are meant to be used in low- or no-magic games, so it's a perfect fit.
>>43563725
doesn't that come at level 7?
>>43563745
In a setting with no magic at all, you count as 2 levels higher for the purposes of your bonuses.
>>43564193
oh, i did not know that.
>>43564203
Just to be clear, I meant no magic items. The normal system is that you get half the normal wealth-by-level and can use that on magic items, but if the GM doesn't want any magic items at all (or just a few here and there with no automatic expectation of them ever getting into the players' hands), you act as if the players were two levels higher. That's why the table has listings for "level" 21 and 22.
>>43564224
yeah, i understand that.
>>43560394
I'm fairly certain Napoleon didn't dump all of his skills and feats in diplomacy. Remember he was a very accomplished general apart from that.
>>43556592
/thread.
Also, the succubus is confronted by a schitzophrenic homeless man with a shiv made out of an iron cross. What do?
>>43558661
http://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/587/roleplaying-games/dd-calibrating-your-expectations-2
>>43560027
...but it is November, anon
>>43564642
I don't have it on hand, but I remember an article describing what decides military strategy/ability in D&D terms. Charisma and charismatic skills were a really big part of it, as were wisdom (justified as intuition/ability to "feel" the enemy and react to him) as well as knowledge: history (for military tactics used by your predecessors). Napoleon could be statted as a high int, high wis diplomancer who put his spare points into knowledge (history) and a few other knowledges (local? geography? law?).
Whatever, it was bound to happen sooner or later: stat me.
>>43558841
And yet you assume that the Succubus is going to passively stand there and take it.
Priests aren't trained to deal with demons that are actively about to rip their face off.
I didn't say that the exorcism wouldn't work, just that they aren't trained to actually do it against real things.
Now, assuming the Succubus was tied down, and they may have more of a chance.
Depends on whether or not we have knowledge of her and her buddies.
If yes, then she could probably take over a small town if she plays it smart.
If no then same thing. We just won't have firing squads with a priest like fucking 40k.
She finds the internet.
End of story.
>>43567856
>Succubus discoveres the internet
>6 months later, she's a full-time NEET
>>43567013
Except it also says major religious artifacts work and going by the fact that Iron works, so would salt since it is quite possibly one of the BIGGEST religious artifacts that you could ever find, the legends of them working against demons being about how Iron was the bones of the earth while salt being it's blood, and seeing that earth was the holy creation of god, it teemed with his essence.
But if you want to get technical, just grab the sucubus and dump her in a swimming pool blessed by a "Priest" or just become a religious icon able to bless water and carry around a squirt gun filled with water. Then find out where she works, get a go pro with a live stream connection, break in, shoot yourself with the water gun and douse her.
Hard to disguise the fact that you're a demon when you literally go up in smoke from being doused in holy water.
>>43570132
Every piece of salt in the world is not a major religious artifact.
>>43558018
So trap her in a salt circle.
Simple shit.
>>43570132
>>43570155
>major religious relics count as good-aligned weapons
Major religious relic = bypasses DR/good
That's it. Nothing more.
>>43570153
Except salt was viewed as a religious substance, just like rosemary and other religious herbs and incense. They weren't viewed as powerful as say the lance of longinus or the nails that pierced the hands and feet of christ, but they did have a religious reverence to them.
>>43570177
So religious artifacts can't be used as weapons?
What if they counter her magic? Take blessed iron, shove it into a 3" 12 gauge shell the size of bird shot, pump her full of it and laugh as she tries to teleport.
Or better yet, just mill out iron, cover it in a copper jacket, make like 5 of them in 12.7mm bullets, load them in a Barret M82 and laugh at shitty demon that can't possibly have reflexes than a 900 m/s projectile.
>>43570177
>>43558516
anon has a point.
Besides which, all this argument about regular charisma is pointless considering she literally has magic mind control
>>43556569
>A creature that successfully saves against a spell that has no obvious physical effects feels a hostile force or a tingle, but cannot deduce the exact nature of the attack. Likewise, if a creature's saving throw succeeds against a targeted spell, you sense that the spell has failed. You do not sense when creatures succeed on saves against effect and area spells.
The problem is that the vast majority of world leaders are not going to think "someone cast a spell on me", they are going to think "wow, what a creepy sensation, I need to watch less horror movies, they are affecting the way I think".
>>43570281
>What if they counter her magic? Take blessed iron, shove it into a 3" 12 gauge shell the size of bird shot, pump her full of it and laugh as she tries to teleport.
Won't actually stop the teleport.
>>43570281
1. You're going to need a MAJOR RELIGIOUS RELIC like the OP said. Not major, doesn't count. Either that or cold-forged iron.
2. Even then, she has Dex mod +3, Perception +21 for not getting ambushed in the first place, and +7 natural armor (same as a rhino).
Her silken skin is literally as durable as a rhino's hide.
>>43570281
>So religious artifacts can't be used as weapons?
How do you convince people to destroy priceless artifacts for use as a weapon against a magical creature when magic isn't real?
>>43570805
>Her silken skin is literally as durable as a rhino's hide.
She actually has DR in addition to the natural armor so she is more durable than a rhino. Which is really confusing and doesn't make any sense (the fact that DR is separate to natural armor that is)
Also, rhinos are NOT as durable as a steel chestplate. so that is stupid too.
>>43556569
You know, maybe I'm just old school, but, I hate how succubi are treated as some powerful big bad when before hand they were simply just demons that were tempters, and nothing more. You guys have to make them have some kinda high power level to think they're interesting, when in fact their whole point was to tempt the pure into defiling themselves with carnal desires.
No life draining kiss, no mind control, and definitely no world domination... just simple temptation to make the righteous fall due to their own weakness, for nothing more but the sake of proving how much a slave man is to their base wants.
>>43570919
There's not much point in them being magical creatures then, is there?
>>43570919
>You guys have to make them have some kinda high power
>You guys
Last I checked nobody here is a dnd or pathfinder developer.
I agree with you about what succubi should be, but it isn't anyone in this thread that has made them into the stupidity of dnd
and frankly it is less stupid than most sources who for some reason turn them into front line fighters (seriously blizzard, wtf?)
>>43557232
Until she falls in love with her naive coworker and his hilariously enormous...dick? Testicals?
>>43570975
The same could be said about all the hordes of demons that are just hack and slash when a mad man with an axe could do the job just as well, if you want to go that route.
>>43570979
Fair enough, guess I'm just being abit of an old grump.
>>43571088
>all the hordes of demons that are just hack and slash
Which demons are you talking about? Most fantasy demons I'm aware of do have powers. And they very often don't look human, while the type of succubus you're describing seems to be identical to a regular, slutty woman.
>>43570975
They need to be magical so that they can enter someone's magical realm.
>>43556569
"Take over?" You mean become the unquestioned, overtly-ruling demon-bitch on top of the world?
No.
Exert tremendous and undue influence on the world, having accumulated mind-boggling quantities of wealth and woven an intriguing web of influence throughout the world's rich and powerful?
Absolutely.
Thing is, the only way that's different from today is that one of the world's richest and most powerful people can just teleport anywhere she wants to go to literally instantly, as opposed to being able to fly anywhere in twelve hours.
Just thought I'd throw in a nice modern succubus. For science.
![2058-thinking[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/taDorUV.jpg "2058-thinking[2].jpg")
>>43574030
>Dress shirt but no colbert
>Collar instead of a tie
>Gigantic hoop rings
>Way too short skirt which, ironically, robs it of all allure
>Expression of submissive cocklust rather than dominant desire
>I bet she's not even in charge of the office but a secretary or something
0/10, not even half chub.
>>43574204
She's another succubus's cockslut, but I can't post THAT image without getting b&.
Also, if you don't find that remotely attractive, Anon, then congratulations: you're a fan of the man!
>>43574232
>but I can't post THAT image without getting b&
I'm intrigued. Could you post it on a NSFW board and link to it here?
Vatican blesses the bullets of like three fairly trained people. Gunslinging is a thing in dnd. Laugh as the succubus is killed in two round. One round if any of the weapons crit.
>>43568389
Can someone remind me what NEET means?
>>43574485
Not in Employment, Education or Training
>>43574286
>Gunslinging is a thing in dnd.
And it's totally shit.
>>43556569
>Cold-forged iron.
Cold stamped steel, basically.
>>43574496
>You will never have cute NEET succubus GF.
>>43574204
faggot/10
Enjoy your dicks, friend. You've earned them.
>>43560697
Interesting what he said.
No because in our world nobody cares about what women want or say
And i like it that way
>>43574286
Who are they gonna shoot? It's not like she's gonna be walking around with horns and a tail, they change shape.
>>43566044
He didn't say first of November.
For sake of argument, what about Pathfinder demons in general? Assuming they know how to use modern technology and our cultures.
>>43575652
How many of them? That's a pretty important thing to know. One of each? Probably not. Every single demon that exists in the setting? Almost certainly.
>>43576172
How about just the population of Australia or France?
>>43576172
What, you mean like if everybody in Australia or France were suddenly a demon? I'd say probably yes, given their ability to summon more demons, and that most of them can teleport at will. It might take a while, but they could run a guerrilla style war and be almost untouchable as they 'port around the globe striking whatever target they feel like. And that's not even mentioning doing more tricky things, like reading some minds and then teleporting into some nuclear silos and wiping out all of Eurasia in one fell swoop.
>>43576321
Nah, they just show up with a equal number of demons that France has people. They just show up doing whatever it is they do.I still think they would wreck us though. Probably not but eh. Who knows?
>>43574239
Here you go, Anon:
Fuck. I can't post a link. Google "InCase Art Blogspot Commission Succubus Sub." First result.
Took me an age to find it, because this one wasn't by the same artist as the last one.
I think here's a good question: Would a generic 3.PF Succubus, upon getting to our world, read the D&D rulebooks and splatbooks, gain incredible enlightenment, and go home to take over HER universe?
>>43578394
No Plane Shift.
>>43557029
There is a lifetime drama there somewhere.
>>43559363
>Plane Shift to a non magic plane
>>43578544
Having access to the books, she'd know that the fastest way for her to GET access to Plane Shift would be to gain access to either 5th-level Cleric spells or 5th-level Psion Powers.
With her insane Charisma score, she'll know that the most efficient way to do either of those things is either to become a Favored Soul, or a Wilder.
>>43558342
Exceptionality is defined by context, not scarcity. As she would be the only succubus in this universe, everything she is and does is perfectly average for a succubus, and thus (by definition) utterly unexceptional.
