Shadows Over Innistrad Edition
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>Mechanics doc (For the making of color pie appropriate cards)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgaKCOzyqM48dFdKRXpxTDRJelRGWVZabFhUU0RMcEE
>Formatting FAQ
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>Q: Can there be a sixth color?
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>Q: What's the difference between multicolor and hybrid?
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>Art sources.
http://digital-art-gallery.com/
http://www.artstation.com/
http://drawcrowd.com/
http://fantasygallery.net/
http://grognard.booru.org/
http://fantasy-art-engine.tumblr.com/
>Stitch cards together with
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>/ccg/ sets (completed and in development)
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Would reverse powered down graft be alright or should I go with another mechanic for -1/-1 counters?
>>43542415
>-1/-1 graft
Brok....
>under your control
Garbage.
>>43542415
The mechanic could work fine with creatures which have distinguishing features that make you want to shift p/t onto different creatures (lifelink, first strike, trample, etc).
A bit bland though IMO.
>>43542415
A mechanic I've considered is inverse bestow, where you put a -1/-1 counter on a creature with the most toughness. Though it's a stretch to put it on colors other than black or red.
Could a set featuring the quad color pairings work?
Ex. UBRG and etc?
>>43543230
No.
>>43543230
It can quickly become a 5-color clusterfuck if you don't have very strong flavor and mechanics to separate them.
Too easily broken?
>>43542415
It would need a lot of support to be anything interesting, possibly more than is worth it. It's technically a fine mechanic though in that there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
>>43543087
This is currently as expensive as clone except with several downsides and the slight upside of versatility. In an extremely counter rich environment it might pay off but I think you could probably get away with making this 1U for a 0/1 without breaking anything. You should probably test multiple versions.
>>43543230
Yes, but you're going to end up with more 5-color decks than 4-color unless you force it very hard. One way around that is going with the common "RGUB is anti-W" approach and then actually working that into the mechanics. It could even be as heavy handed a keyword that sacrifices the permanent if you control something of the excluded color, it isn't a perfect fix but it would push players in the desired direction.
At the end of the day though you've got to ask why you're doing a thing. Do you have a clear idea of how you're going to turn that into fun gameplay or is it just "this hasn't been done, maybe I'll do it to be different"? Sometimes the two go together and novelty itself can be fun but it's worth thinking about, especially since you have to put in like twice as much work to make the set identity clear in any way.
>>43544383
Make it return a creature card, so it's not a bolt recursion engine
>>43544383
Um, like any cheap burn spell. What the fuck was I thinking? Back to the drawing board...
>>43544419
That's the safest approach. I had enough space to try this, fair compromise?
"Sacrifice X lands: Exile target card with converted mana cost X from your graveyard. Put that card into your hand at the beginning of the next end step."
>>43544477
It's slower but you shouldn't have a recursion engine that enables itself and can also ramp in a pinch
>>43544383
-1/-1 counter guy here: which colors get uses of -1/-1 counters?
>>43545462
All colors can use -1/-1 counters
Posting updated version of my BW sparker.
>>43545462
Black.
>>43545462
They all can, but HOW they interact with or use them is the important bit.
I could also use some help trying to balance this card. It's not very useful with low amounts of mana but it scales explosively.
>>43543047
They called me that back in college.
>>43543069
I like this card. It is a good card.
>>43543105
Too cheap for what it does, I think. Global effect like that that doesn't go away is pretty crippling when built around even a little bit.
>>43543121
I don't like this design because it leaves an enchantment doing nothing sitting on the battlefield. It's ugly and any cute interactions are either too strong (blink) or really not worth the clunkiness (things that count enchantments). I'd find a way to not leave the worthless husk around.
>>43546627
Why are you doing this? Also this sure is a burn spell that can be cast with nothing but blue mana.
>>43546627
You need to learn how hybrid mana works.
still posting this
Just asking for trouble today apparently.
>>43544528
Maybe you're right, I'll keep thinking about it.
>>43545462
-1/-1 counters are weird because they occupy space that is definitively black, while any color can make their dudes stronger only black is supposed to make enemy dudes weaker or sacrifice their own dudes for power. However, since mixing counter types in a set is apparently the worst possible sin imaginable (How could anyone tell them apart? Two different colors of tiny objects? Who has ever been in a room with two different colors of tiny objects before?) they've forced the creation of "-1/-1 counter sets" where everybody gets to dip into the well a bit, even though it doesn't make any sense in terms of the pie.
So they're black but 5-color when environmental needs trump the pie. Even then black should really get the most mileage out of them by far.
>>43546627
At three it's 3 to one dude, at four it's 6 to one or 3 to two, 5 is 9 to 1, 6 to 2 or 3 to 3... the cheapest mode is pretty bad but everything else looks good, this is fine. It doesn't get into one-sided wipe territory until 6-7+ mana so no problems there.
Why is this blue at all though? That's a huge pie break and also unnecessary, you can have izzet flavor without both colors being present.
>>43546951
This is pretty cool. I think it's probably balanced but it's hard to say for sure, if you can just keep stealing everything then there's nothing to punish you for being at low life and it wouldn't take many turns to finish the game if you own all of their blockers now. But it does nothing on its own, fails to enchantment removal and is quite slow so doesn't look too bad.
>>43547509
>Spellfling
That is way too stupid. Topdeck manipulation is pretty common and easy, so the "gambling" part of it doesn't balance it at all.
>>43547773
I think it would be funny if it let you look any the top eight cards of your library then put them back in a random order, THEN exile the top one and do what the rest of the card says.
>>43548511
Well there is this
>>43543230
Fuck no. Four color design is a special kind of hell.
>>43548695
Yeah he could do an instant version of that.
>>43548819
Dune brood is still perfection though
>>43545566
I know it's hard to resist the call of the special snowflake, but does he really need to cost WWB? 1WB would have been fine.
The +1 is really strong, but its hard to judge power levels on sparkers.
Switch out undying for persist on the -2. You don't really want to mix counters
That -3 is horrifying for the price. It should be a -6 or something.
You managed to make a cool planeswalker without eight billion lines of text, so well done.
>>43548677
Appropriately platinum. Ditch the trample, though. It's so uncivilized, and it clutters the textbox. You could probably cut the CMC down to 10 or 11, then.
>>43548940
Not really
>>43548975
Not a fan of the +1 at all. Just give them a minus that's populate and a better made + ability.
And for the sake of all that is decent don't jump through hoops to make them cost 2, just let it be reasonable power level and cost 3.
>>43548940
Dune-Brood isn't black at all, in flavor or mechanics.
>>43548993
Here's a fun idea for a game: It's like magic, but you don't interact with your opponent at all. Wait, that sounds horrible.
>>43549089
I think you use "otherwise" not "if you don't"
Also needs to be "seven mana of any one color" or "seven mana in any combination of colors" I believe.
You've also got an extra, empty line of text at the bottom there cluttering the text box.
Also, I don't like this idea at all.
>>43549095
You mean you're not packing Scour from Existence? :^)
>>43549213
The card art makes me think it should be bigger. Looks more like a cloud than incineration.
>>43549102
Absolutely disgusting.
Also you forgot a starting loyalty, but I wouldn't bother.
>>43549324
>Hating Snow this much
You must be from California.
>>43549102
I can't stop screaming.
>>43548975
Rate my snowflakes
>>43549348
Fine, I'll be serious since you might actually think that's why I don't like it.
Planeswalker plus abilities need to be optional in some way. It should be "up to one target creature." Also, the plus is retardedly overpowered. It's a plus TWO that is constant, repeatable removal. Four damage on a +2 ability on a walker, even with that "restriction" is broken to all hell and I can't believe that's not obvious to you.
The minus is garbage. It can't even realistically interact with the ultimate, because if you are using a minus ability you're not going to actually get to the ultimate. If it were a plus ability it'd still be terrible, but at least there'd be some kind of plan there.
Ultimate is whatever. Boring. Also, you forgot a starting loyalty.
Step up your game.
Very weird planeswalker.
>>43549601
>fuck you and fuck your shit combo
It makes me both giddy and apprehensive. Ultimately i think its a no-no.
>>43549731
Objectively terrible.You should make one of Hiro.
How about mythics?
>>43549825
Not a fan of the second ability combined with 4 toughness. It's kinda pointless.
In general this is a really boring rare.
>>43549847
Eh. I guess.
So at the cost of spending some extra mana and locking your opponent out of expensive spells, you're letting your opponent sometimes get card advantage?
I think this could be symmetrical. Also, why is it a creature? Feels more like an enchantment.
>>43549970
I'd like this more if it was nonland. I mean, nothing is wrong with it hitting lands, but that makes the randomness less exciting since it'll probably just tag a land, which is kinda boring when we're already in the five mana range and it could hit your lands just as well.
>>43550033
Good point. I'll change it
>>43550290
That seems more blue to me.
>>43549102
I cleaned it up for you and added some art. I like the concept but you have some wording issues. Ignore the other anons, they are being Salty Sallys. I'm pretty sure it's the same guy too. There is always this one really toxic person who thinks they are providing something to the thread by being a total asshole.
>>43549427
>Simic Prod.
-1 should be, "You may sacrifice a creature. ..." for clarity.
-6 is nice and fits well. It fits the colors very well. Good job.
>Sel. Cap.
This is a personal gripe and not an actual issue, but I always like having tokens be the same colors of the source, also it having lifelink makes it GW over all.
Fits the colors pretty well. Both minus abilities are pretty balanced. Nice.
>S. o. Life
+2 is too strong. Either make it a -1 ability or drop a few keywords. Yes it's a 3 color, 5 mana walker but that's a lot of value in those colors that will make most games an easy win if they aren't being stomped.
The 0 ability should be -1. That is a pretty good search tool, if not kind of limited. It finds almost anything you'd want in those colors.
Ult is fine, kind of extreme and a bit lacking on the G but that's okay, everything else fills that need.
>Zaratha, Bitch of Fuck-this-plane
She is just way too strong over all and needs a good redesign to balance out. The major issue is she does a lot for a really easy mana cost, and has a lot of loyalty for her mana cost. Most 4-5 mana walkers have 3-4 loyalty and usually cost a color or two.
I would consider making a walker who on entry your opponent gains control of and does negative stuff, and must use an ability per turn. A kind of double agent style walker to fit into Phyrexia's theme.
These are all really cool over all and mostly balanced.
>>43550033
Cool card. I feel like making the second line, "All creatures deal damage as if they had wither" would be simpler and more fitting.
>>43549102
Oh, also technically the wording on >>43550791 is wrong as the term is "nonsnow", not "Non-Snow" but I said fuck it and ignored that because it looks really gross like that.
>>43550791
>typings
Types.
> still deals 4 damage to creatures with a nonexistent drawback
Salty Sallies eh? If you think this is okay you are a much cuter name than that.
>>43550866
>9 lines with tons of breaks
Hoooo doggy.
>>43550791
>Ignore the other anons
Dude I'm giving them actual advice >>43549449
That +2 is fucking retarded as is.
So what kind of sets are you working on anon? Any lore to it yet? If so, how are you showing it through the cards? Any flavorful ones you are proud of?
>>43549765
B E H O L D
>>43551016
I tried to make a set once and flubbed out because I was just making innistrad 2.0
I have been making a lot of top-down Batman-themed mtg cards (please don't crucify me for that alone) and I would like to know what you think.
Robin
Instead of making 10 different Robins, I took a look at the costume.
Robins are dispensable - one dies/leaves/changes name, and another, less
Experienced one takes his place. I based him on Doomed Traveller.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=382252
Batman
I may have pushed him a bit too much. I think flash/first strike does a good job representing
his stealth skills (being able to ambush thugs) and protection represents his ability to save
villain's victims.
James Gordon
Comes in with two other officers (two because there are only 2 really notable GCPD
cops - Montoya and Bullock). I based him on Captain of the Watch.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=394354
Rally the force
Thematically, when this card is played, police comes to clean up after Batman or to
take care of goons, while Batman goes after big bad. Officer tokens are more powerful
than Henchman tokens cause good guys usually get the upper hand.
The Joker
His biggest weapon is instilling fear into others. He doesn't even have basic martial arts
training. Also, he always finds a way to get out or Arkham/death (they all do, of course).
The Scarecrow
Another guy who is a simple person and uses hallucination inducing fear chemicals to gain
an advantage, but if the person has the mental strength to convince himself that it all is an
illusion, Scarecrow loses his strength (token). I based him on Geist of Saint Traft.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=247236
Rally the goons
Added self-mill because unlike officer (who are already working as cops), you need try
harder to get someone independent to work for you. Based on Secure the Wastes.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=394683
>>43551592
Professor Pyg
Pyg brainwashes and surgically alters his victims, thus making them his brainless servants.
Arkham Asylum
In the books Arkham Asylum is the "graveyard" for beaten
villains, however it is a revolving door for enemies, where villains
get released or escape often. I based it on Academy Ruins.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=370424
Bane
Bane's most widely known shtick is using the super steroid "venom" and the closest thing I
thought of was fire breathing. Still he himself is highly trained and super strong. I based him of Dragon Whelp.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=247314
Venom Growth
Can only be used 3 times because a new person using it doesn't have the same tolerance
as Bane does. I based it on Firebreathing and Steel Hellkite.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=226588
The Riddler
This is more of a joke card and I may have fucked up the wording hard, but I think it is funny and interesting.
Lazarus Resurrection
Lazarus pits are magical pools that revive the dead or extend the life of the living.
The downside - resurrection is followed by temporary madness. Once used, a pool becomes unusable.
Clayface
First I thought of morphling, but this seemed to be more streamlined. Clayface can
expand and shrink, but he has to keep his initial mass. Partially based on Windreaver.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=270835
Victor Fries
Durable armor that grants him super strength/durability and the ability to freeze anything.
I based him on Rimescale Dragon.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=121184
>>43551592
>Bane
>not costed 4U
One. Fucking. Job.
>>43551592
>Batman
>Doesn't do anything with equipment
c'mon I barely know anything about comics but this is a travesty
>>43551620
The Mad Hatter
The Mad Hatter's gimmick is putting hats on people, making them his slaves. Fairly straight-forward. I based him on Memnarch.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=220532
Oswald Cobblepot
I chose the gangster version of Penguin for this, as he physically isn't threatening at all, but rather relies on his influence and bought man-power. I imagine his second ability, as him
flying away with a helicopter umbrella.
Black Mask
Black mask is a gangster, who loves to lock up his enemies and torture them.
I based him on One Thousand Lashes and Vedalken Shackles
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=366261
Rupert Thorne
Rupert Thorn is a gangster, capable of bribing every official in Gotham, so I made him to be able to get everyone to look the other way. Based him on Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=185811
Scarface
Without his puppet Arnold Wesker is a mild mannered person, who wouldn't hurt a fly, so I made the puppet be the real creature. I based him on Flayer Husk.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=397826
Harvey Dent/Two-Face
The big idea of this card is to show off the duality of the character (no shit, right?).
Harvey boosts heroes on both sides and while Two-face boosts all villains to show
how uncontrollable his personality is.
>>43551592
You are seriously abusing the center text option here.
>>43551631
In comic books (at least the good ones) he really isn't reliant on his equipment. He maybe throws a few batarangs or smoke pellets. Hell, half the time he even has a cloth suit.
>>43551932
Don't like it.
>>43547773
>way too stupid
Thanks? It's designed to be used with topdeck manipulation though, not gambling. I've changed it to cycle your top two cards to the bottom of your library first to force you to manipulate harder first, although it might be enough to just require a scry 2.
>>43549089
Seems pretty terrible. By your seventh land you shouldn't need color fixing and this is completely useless until then. It also makes your mana extremely inflexible which is a massive downside. You could probably tone down the idea and salvage something cool but I don't think anyone would actually want to use this.
>>43549102
If you change both instances of nonsnow to snow this would be fine. It's overpowered and kind of nonsensical as-is, why would they turn things to snow and then flame slash things that aren't snow?
>>43551016
I'm taking another stab at modular closed environments. The first set in the project is based on some poorly developed continents loosely ruled by six different wizard organizations at a time when the different factions are trying to gain political clout and unify the plane under their banner. It uses domain and conspire as mechanics which I think is neat but other than that I'm probably doing a really bad job selling the flavor as usual.
>>43550791
>I would consider making a walker who on entry your opponent gains control of and does negative stuff, and must use an ability per turn. A kind of double agent style walker to fit into Phyrexia's theme.
I love this idea. I have no idea how i'd do it so this is what I made. Thoughts/Suggestions appreciated.
>>43552150
Normally I like keyword tribal but this one is pretty boring and bends the pie a bit. Not enough to be an issue, but if you're bending a bit it might as well be to do something actually interesting.
>>43552150
>Modular closed environments
I'm not too sure what that means as google only pulled up stuff related to 3D modeling. The set has a cool sounding theme. It feels like Ravnika in it's early years and that would be an interesting setting. You could have a cycle of uncommon lands that are each groups HQ under construction in the first set, them completed in the second, and if a third set happens, in ruins.
Domain sounds like a really cool ability for the GR or G(whatever) faction. You could have some fixing cards that give lands multiple types to help with the Domain buffing. Things like Urborg and Blood Moon.
Conspiracy sounds fitting for a WG mechanically and a UB flavor wise. It would be cool to try and make a UB weenies faction with conspiracy, as I could totally see it being full of these scheming mages trying to become powerful through using each other.
I would recommend adding Affinity and Convoke to the ability pool. Both would fit the setting of blossoming empires trying to gain leeway.
What are the colors of the factions/groups currently?
>>43552239
I'll try to put one together. Give me a moment.
How do we make this playable in a typical Standard but not really worthwhile for Modern? Assume a 5-card cycle.
>>43552728
That's a massive amount of utility for its cost
>>43542415
I like it, but as others said it needs support. It would work well with another creature with an ability like "If x has a -1/-1 counter on it, it gains haste/trample/deathtouch/etc".
>>43543047
I love this for some reason.
>>43543069
Seems strong against voidburst.
>>43543087
I like it.
>>43543105
Too strong, needs higher cost and rarity.
>>43543121
Kinda awkward. Why not make an artifact with counters, and you remove a counter to play the exiled card?
>>43544383
You could nerf it with "Whenever you cast a non-creature spell, return A land from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped"
>>43546627
Its pretty strong, but its not U at all. If you made it tap Y target creatures it would fit, but that takes away from the cool multi effect.
>>43546951
Pretty OP, i'd think about changing it so the creature is controlled until end of turn.
>>43547336
Solid.
>>43547509
I like this a lot. Powerful with scry, risky without. Good flavor.
>>43546627
Reminds me of this
>>43552239
I'm feeling this guy should be a 5 drop. Thoughts?
>>43552833
It already is. It's essentially a fishable plains that can fish a different kind of land when you need it. It's not amaing, but it's good enough. Right where it needs to be.
>>43552839
In defense of it's value, it has some notable cost to actually getting the abilities used.
>>43553065
BW and two life isn't really a notable cost. It's almost worth it just for the sign in blood effect
>>43553112
Do you consider it needing to be nerfed? If so what would you suggest, increasing the hard cast cost or something?
>>43548975
I really like her. Make plant tokens, populate more plant tokens, then equalize with ult. But she seems somewhat weak, she doesn't seem to help the caster at all, her ult takes a while to get to and the tokens can all be wiped pretty easily. Still fun though.
>>43548993
I like it but what do you do after its cast? Scoop and play again?
>>43549089
I cast blood moon.
>>43549102
this guy does it better>>43549731
>>43549213
Make it 2BR and your golden.
>>43549825
It needs more. As the other anon said, its toughness is 4 so whats the point.
>>43549847
Guh, bad mythic
>>43550033
Wait, what does the first ability do. If i hit you for 4, dont you lose 4 life anyways?
>>43550290
I like it.
>>43550866
I LOVE this card, but there has to be a shorter way of writing the effect. Maybe you can make room for a Blue "Mind" counter that give it +1/+1 or something. Eiither way the flavor is great.
>>43551016
Another good flavor card. I like it
.>>43551303
Why not make it an instant with "If a creature died this turn, you may cast target creature without paying its mana cost."
>>43551932
I dont understand, U for draw 1 will almost always be more worth it than paying 2 for mana of any kind.
>>43553292
I'd increase the mana cost on the activate myself
>>43553389
>Why not make it an instant with "If a creature died this turn, you may cast target creature without paying its mana cost."
Because then it does absolutely nothing without the morbid trigger. As is, the card always functions. Also, that wording arguably doesn't even simplify it.
>>43553389
>Wait, what does the first ability do. If i hit you for 4, dont you lose 4 life anyways?
Lifelink, "whenever ~ deals combat damage" effects, stuff like that. It's niche but eh.
>>43553389
>vail vest
I can't find a shorter way to put it. Even taking away the break keeps it at 9 lines. It's just too wordy of a concept to work out.
I disagree with your feelings on Innovate. I'd argue it is a very good cantrip because you can use it for ramp in a color that has none. Either you use it to dig for the cards you need, or you use it to prep casting your combo or fixing.
>>43553568
The toughness boosting there is awkward. Prowess is also strange when it's already boosting p/t.
What about making it +3/+0, and replacing prowess with first strike?
>>43553594
I considered first strike but then the issue becomes Daybreak Coronet already does first strike and I wasn't into them having overlapping effects.
I could have it be in the cycle, each coronet has 2 over lapping keywords, and one unique keyword.
W gets vigilance, R gets haste, B gets deathtouch, U gets flying, G gets hexproof.
>>43553673
Oh, you're making a cycle...? I don't think that's a good idea.
First of all, in green and blue it would be kinda nuts because those colors naturally get hexproof, so the auras would be stronger, and secondly that's kinda stretching how many colors should care that much about auras.
I thought this was more like a planar chaos type of thing.
>>43553707
Nah I don't have the art for it. I only put Freedombound together on a whim. It was all just a hypothetical. I would make U Flash on the enchantment, flying, and scry 1 on combat damage to face. G would be +3/+3, reach, deathtouch, hexproof.
B would be +3/+3, lifelink, death touch, regenrate for B.
Rate
>>43553974
should be "discard a card: untap infinitesimal void" unless that ability is only meant to be part of the tap ability.
>>43553974
That second ability should be activated not static.
I really like the idea of a planeswalker that fucks with your own hand size (greatness at any cost) but I'm not sure the starting loyalty is balanced.
>>43553974
Stupid broken on multiple levels.
>>43554017
>>43554010
Better?
>>43554044
good :)
>>43554058
Aside from having Mind over Matter stapled to your land sure.
>>43554039
Huh. It's Bob as a walker.
He seems strong at first but ultimately he costs way too much to do anything. A better draw tool is phyrexian arena or just a Bob. The third ability is at least interesting I'll give you that.
I would diversify what his abilities do by making the ult not a -X ability, and not focused on discard. Maybe make it, -6, sac any number of permanents. Reveal the top X cards of your library, where X is the number of permanents sacrificed. You may put any number of permanents revealed this way into play.
>>43552833
strictly better Plains?
>>43554058
Why are you even doing this?
>>43553568
plz no furry
>>43553673
>~ enters the battlefield with three -1/-1 counters on it.
>W, T, Put a -1/-1 counter on @:
>Activate this ability only once each turn.
>>43554058
Ugly extra blank space between rules and flavor.
>>43554223
>Add ]X[ mana in any combination of R and/or B to your mana pool.
The X should not be a symbol. The brackets prevent this.
>>43554409
Should probably ETB tapped since it's better than urborg with the grandeur ability.
>>43554409
I see your forest and raise you this
>>43554532
Hahahaha fuck off
>>43554466
>no furry
You can't stop me anon it's almost all I make.
>Aublin changes
I'm fairly certain legendary creatures get gendered pronouns but fine I'll change it. Don't expect the W ability nerf though. He has 4 color devotion, he should do some real good stuff.
>Sync. Soul
The X in the rules text is not a mana symbol. But thanks for the command info.
>>43554657
>I'm fairly certain legendary creatures get gendered pronouns
Nope, only planeswalkers (and the creature side of the Origins walkers) because they're unique special snowflakes.
>>43554657
Legendary creatures have started getting "he" and "she" but it's a recent thing so don't expect everyone to know it yet.
>>43554688
>>43554880
I've been hearing a lot of back and forth on this so I'll keep it safe and use it/they until I find a constant reference that shows the trend changing, besides kid walkers.
>>43547509
>>43552860
>>43547005
I hope I have addressed the various concerns about this card. I've added the scry clause so it has some use at lower mana costs and also to give it the blue component it needs.At its strongest it's "Deal 3 damage to two creatures and scry 2" or "Deal 6 damage to one creature and scry 1."
>>43555084
No, you haven't, because you can still play this in a monoblue deck. A hybrid UR card needs to be something that could work as a monoblue card and a monored card. Burn isn't blue.
>>43555084
See: Comet Storm
>>43554954
I like this card, acutally. It's the total package, and it's strangely endearing for a black card. It's like, imagining a demon actually taking the time to explain things to an acolyte in a calm, caring manner is sort of comfy.
>>43555084
We should just ban hybrid cards from these threads by ignoring them. 90% of them are not hybrid because the creator can't hack it.
on a creature card, what order do keyword, static, triggered, activated, etc abilities appear?
>>43555175
Abilities are ordered in relevance of play
>>43555175
Devoid
Flash, etc
Kicker, convoke, etc
As enters abilities
Keywords
When enters abilities
Static
Triggered
Activated
Graveyard abilities
>>43555175
>abilities that function everywhere (devoid)
>abilities that affect how you can cast it (flash)
>trigger on cast abilities
>abilities that function on the stack (Lightning Storm is the only example I can think of)
>trigger as ETB abilities
>battlefield keywords
>trigger on ETB abilities
>non-keyword abilities that function on the battlefield
>abilities that function in the graveyard
>>43555106
>>43555123
>>43555161
What I would really like to do is something along these lines, where you pay X red mana and Y blue mana. In this way, you could use it in a monoblue deck, but it would deal no damage. You couldn't use it in monored either because no targets and no scrys. The issue is easily conveying the cost without getting too wordy. Is there a precedent for the X/R and X/U notation?
If not, I'll just give up on the design.
>>43555317
Dude, i dont think you understand what you just did.
>>43555317
Oh, the cost should have been 1,X/R,X/U
>>43555317
That hybrid mana is really fucked up. What are you trying to represent with it there?
As is, what it would actually mean were it real, is that now you can cast this spell in mono green. You should look at real cards more and figure out how they work.
>>43555317
Now it can be cast without spending any colored mana at all. You really don't get how this works.
tryin stuff
>>43555372
>green Geist
Hmm. In that tribe, it's a touch worrisome.
>>43555317
You want 'Spend only red mana on X. Spend only blue mana on Y.'
>>43555372
1/1 for 3, you could make that token an ETB trigger that doesn't exile and it's still not OP
>>43555402
I hope you don't actually equate the card to geist on powerlevel.
>>43555436
Ehhh, I'd rather not change it to that though because then you can block with the beast, and you don't have to attack with the 1/1 to make the beast. You could just keep attacking with the 3/3 and leave the 1/1 at home.
The idea is that it swings for 4 with no blockers, and with blockers the beast's ability gives the 1/1 "evasion" while probably trading with a blocker.
>>43555462
Nah, just being referential. It works in a similar way so I just used a canon card as a stepping off point for my blurb. It's not anywhere near as good. No flying, hexproof is not static, body is worse. Only thing it has going for it is the tribe. It's basically "whenever this elf booty come swag on yo ass, one o yo chumps gets gacked fo 3" She is still probably going to die. Easily. Still good in draft though.
>>43555485
To make the card more worthwhile, I might make it a lot more expensive and spawn a second token.
That way it's more likely they don't have enough blockers.
>>43555508
Split the difference and have her ETB with one, and get one on attack, and cost her at like 3GG or 2GGG.
>>43555748
That's Rust Scarabs art
>>43555728
Already a card name
>>43555773
Welp. Magic art ends up in fantasy blogs pretty often.
>>43555748
>clearly a beetle
>Creature -- Elephant
I feel like I'm being Lotlethed.
>>43555859
Look at it -- the bottom part looks like a trunk with red/orange armor on it. The top part could also be a part of the mask armor.
>>43555869
Except for the huge, obvious insect legs. But eh, whatever. The card itself is actually not a bad concept; Lumbering is something I see pop up now and again in these threads. With different names of course.
>>43556507
This could be an instant I think
>>43556507
Might need to check that your current life is less than your starting life before preceding, otherwise what do you do with negative X? Neat design.
>>43556572
Big digs are usually sorcery speed
>>43556574
I'd have to check but I assume it would just default to 0
>>43556605
I admit the only thing I can think of like this is either dig through time, which is an instant, or a bunch of green sorceries.
>>43556652
I was treating it more like a limited tutor which is why its black and not blue
>>43549970
I think it shouldn't be able to destroy itself.
Hows this?
>>43558915
It's fine as a common. It's just a bit under powered compared to most R suicide goblins. I would consider making it a 1/1 and it hits a creature at random that way it can still hit itself.
>>43555748
Creatures blocking or blocked by this creature have First Strike
>>43552728
>my project
Well, what I did is make a blank set file of 475 cards each with a small description like "green enchantment removal," "white wrath" or "RW 2-drop." So I'm just copying that file whenever I want to add a set to the project and start filling in cards, the end result being that every color and multicolor combination will end up having at least one card that does any given thing that it would normally be able to do. Then the idea to actually play with these is to pick any two sets (along with a smaller addition that I haven't fully worked out yet) to produce a new closed pool of about 1,000 cards to construct decks with. I've taken a few stabs at similar systems in the past but I think this one has the most promise as something that can actually produce compelling gameplay with a huge amount of replayability. 1,000 cards doesn't sound like a lot but when you remove all of the strictly worse garbage that gets thrown into official products it's actually pretty similar in scale to what real formats offer and the modular nature means you can end up with a huge number of environments just by completing a few of these sets.
>card
Any one of those options would be powerful as a recurring effect at that price, even with the life loss. Should either cost much more or get toned down significantly.
>>43553568
Neat design. The haste isn't likely to ever do anything and it's going to be very difficult to consistently find a target for it but the payoff looks fair.
>>43555317
Cost it XYR or even XYRR and then just have "Scry X, where X is the amount of blue mana spent to cast ~" for the second effect. Very clean solution.
>>43555372
Looks fair, they just need two blockers to kill it past your lure effect but it can do some serious work if it comes down against a weak board.
>>43555728
Eh... using your blockers to get a decent scry each turn probably isn't that big a deal. It's a nice toolbox card that I can't tell if it's terrible or amazing.
>>43555748
That downside isn't anywhere near severe enough to warrant a 3/5 for 3. They hit it first, do nothing and then get bowled over. Good "last strike" keyword though.
>>43558915
1/1 haste with a small upside is standard for red. That's a small upside, so it's fine.
>>43558958
Nifty, looks like a reasonable reward for a bit of set up. Big delve turns are usually pretty high tempo anyway though so maybe there could be issues there depending on environment, it would have to be a fairly low power format for it to really wreck things though I think.
>>43559192
This is just a bigger taste of blood and that's pretty boring. It's also too strong. It's Lava Axe for 1 less, and heals 5. That's a 10 life difference for 4 mana. I would tone this down to 3 life loss and gained, but I'd also just make it simpler and into a creature so it's something interesting.
>>43559276
>Graveless Rioter
It's mostly a flavor card for the setting to be honest. I don't think there is any graveyard exile in the set yet! I might put Rest in Peace into it but the issue is there is little reanimation either.
This is the only reanimater in the set atm.
>>43559276
Oh, also Elta seems way too strong. Making a human tribal isn't too hard and having them all be untargetable is too strong. The closest thing we have to that is a G creature that costs 8 mana. Yes, Elta has a limitation but 4 mana and a pseudo loot is pretty damn good. I would tone it down to, "Your other Humans have hexproof".
>>43559299
Possibly. I was comparing it more to Boros Charm since neither can hit creatures and both take two colors. For 2 more mana and sorcery speed (and no alternate modes) you get +1 damage and five life, that seemed fair on paper especially since lifegain normally sucks but maybe such a bit swing is a bit much. What about drain 4 at instant?
That's a really cool reanimation spell. I particularly like the mindgames it creates in any meta where it sees play, forces the opponent to think about whether to hold back out of fear or gambler that you don't have it and push for damage. It's a good example of an instant with actual interplay rather than just "no, I get to do this first." The color and type changes are nice flavor but kind of memory-issue-y, not a major deal though since you can usually remember which massive thing was reanimated that game.
>>43544383
Would be broken desu senpai.
Self mill would be dumb with it.
>>43559380
The type and color change are there for flavor flav. It's for a WB demon/cleric faction. To keep it simple, the Church tried to destroy the underworld and instead turned int into a kind of purgatory and sent the cycle of life and death out of wack. They found ways to abuse the cycle due to it missing pieces and general. This is an example of one of it's abuse.
>Gianu
I love it. Very interesting flavor and really difficult to get where you want em, but well rewarding when you get them there.
>>43558915
Goblin War Paint
Now you have broken the entire game. Go die, you fuck.
Rate these monstrosities. Going more for flavor than anything else. Ignore the shitty flavor text, they're more of a placeholder. These are just brainstorms for a set im brewing.
>>43559524
How does that break the game, precisely?
What was your favorite limited format /cct/?
What type of things would you like to see in a customer draft set?
What type of themes would you like to see in a custom draft set?
What type of things would you not want to see?
>>43559329
That's what wraths are for. Let the humans try to hide, nuke them from orbit. Seriously though I'll try to break her once enough of the set is done to do some playtesting, there are several ways to bypass hexproof already in the set and she seems slow enough to me that it shouldn't require too much tweaking.
>>43559508
>otter
Why is this not an actual tribe yet?
>>43559524
Such rage with such an incoherent message. Is this a youtube comment?
>>43560271
None of the creatures look balanced and only the white, black and green lands looks salvageable (white is weak, other two are on the very of being too good but could easily be toned down enough to be fair). No idea what compelled you to make the blue and red lands.
>>43560602
I'm not much of a draft player (prefer sealed if any limited) but I'd like to see more stuff along the lines of conspiracy that incorporates the draft into the actual game, there's a lot of space there that WotC really can't afford to explore too heavily.
>>43560271
>Using apostrophes as a crutch for cool sounding fictional names
Please don't. Errai Kaf and Oiqqa-Ra are just as nice without trying too hard. Titles after a name are fairly standard as well, but you don't have to. In fact, it would be best to cut some of the names down to just one of their halves (like Ikk'Releigh to just Releigh.)
As a proof of concept, I'm unsure if what I'm critiquing isn't already going to be changed. I won't even touch on their bustedness.
I like your bushido-esqe keyword. Your cards remind me of kamigawa in a way, so that's nice.
The lands should be named as long as they're legendary.
Shroud and intimidate have been phased out, their successors being hexproof and menace.
Why are the creatures artifacts? Flavor?
As a conceptual rough draft, could you tell us more about what you wanted from these cards?
>>43560271
Literally what are the apostrophes supposed to represent? An ommission? A sound? What are they for? Do you know how language works?
>>43560271
>rate these....
0/10 bro
start over completely
>>43551072
>dat typo
Needs more tho
Hm.
>>43560271
>None of the creatures look balanced and only the white, black and green lands looks salvageable (white is weak, other two are on the very of being too good but could easily be toned down enough to be fair). No idea what compelled you to make the blue and red lands.
I tried to make the most overpowered cards i could think of without being 1W: U win the game.
>>43563115
>Please don't. Errai Kaf and Oiqqa-Ra are just as nice without trying too hard. Titles after a name are fairly standard as well, but you don't have to. In fact, it would be best to cut some of the names down to just one of their halves (like Ikk'Releigh to just Releigh.)
Sounds good to me, I just like em. Purely an Aesthetic choice, but i can change them.
>>43563115
>As a conceptual rough draft, could you tell us more about what you wanted from these cards?
Battle for Zendikar is underpowered trash, without going to gamebreaking Alpha I want to make an overpowered set. I can name the lands, sounds good. And I can update the keywords. And the creatures are artifacts for flavors sake, nothing else.
>>43563255
>Literally what are the apostrophes supposed to represent? An ommission? A sound? What are they for? Do you know how language works?
Yes, its the for "reasons", think the Quarians from Mass Effect. But its purely aesthetic.
>>43563796
>0/10 bro
>start over completely
This is kind of the reaction I was looking for, I want people to shit their pants by how stupifyingly powerful they are.
These are the inspiration, somewhat but not really. I want more of an Alara, Phyrexia feel, hence the Artifact Creatures. The plane will be ancient and overpowered. I want the planeswalkers to get there and be like "Shit, lets gtfo, we're weak as fuck compared to these guys."
>>43564333
>Battle for Zendikar is underpowered trash
Ha, I agree. The only thing worse about it is those expeditions.
>without going to gamebreaking Alpha I want to make an overpowered set (...) And the creatures are artifacts for flavors sake, nothing else.
I think you meant "stylistic choice", right? Either way, it sounds like you want a high power cube. They are stupidly fun, so more power to you. Unfortunately, it's hard to judge the finer points of the card's power if we don't have that context each time you post in the future. If you get them all around the preferred level that you're looking for, I'd love to see them again.
>>43564610
What u see is literally all I have, so i'll work on some mechanics and themes and post what I come up with. I also posted this >>43554058
Just so you see what I mean haha
Once again tried to make a mechanic that could be evergreen for UB, and once again it's something that is too complicated.
>>43565016
How about "you may cast this for its flux cost if X or more cards were put into your graveyard from your library this turn"?
>>43563987
It should prevent the mana from emptying until end of turn (see Savage Ventmaw). Otherwise it just goes into storm.
>>43562739
Double or even triple white, so even if you're in 5-colors you need to be heavier in white.
>>43559380
Clarify if its only from the battlefield or from anywhere that he's put on top of library.
>>43559329
"Gains" abilities.
>>43559299
Nifty. Doesn't work if they're attacking a planeswalker you control. I can also see this being worded like the Traps.
>>43559276
Needs to cost more. Or have the loot be on attack, so she doesn't just sit back while drawing you counterspells for wraths.
>>43565284
That preserves none of the functionality.
>>43564333
Ok, that's fair. It's impossible to give feedback though without seeing anything else that would be played with them. Well, other than that the white land is easily the worst card and the blue land is almost certainly the best card by a long shot. The red is a close second since it's an obscene clock but whoever plays blue will just draw into an answer and then proceed to win the game. You presumably will still want your cards to be balanced relative to one another.
>>43565016
A bit dull since it's almost always active, if this were evergreen it would just lead to overcosting a huge pile of cards under the assumption that they would only be cast for the flux cost and it'll basically just be a bookkeeping thing rather than a real upside.
>>43554223
that card is awful. it could be normally mana neutral (x+2) and I'm still not sure it'd see competitive play.
Now with art and a slight upgrade.
>>43566545
I believe you'd say 'that player' here rather than 'he or she'.
How have you been, /ccg/?
>>43558958
This could be neat with flash so that it can hate on graveyard hate.
Something for a basics-matter set. Does this break 12-post, and does it need to only check for basic land types? Also I kind of spitballed the cost - Seer's Sundial is the closest in functionality, but that's colorless and draws a card for any landfall.
>>43559329
Not a fan of this design. Renown is already its own reward. You don't need things that are just better for renown. Why not have the boost be a flat +2/+0, and it gives first strike to renowned things and trample to things which aren't? That way you can use it in a renown deck and enable renown with the trample on things that don't have it yet.
Have something normal.
>>43559524
Haha you don't even know what you're talking about you fucking scrub.
And have something crazy.
>>43567202
Without art or flavortext, this feels like an empty inclusion, anon, sorry to say. I love commons, even french vanilla commons, but you should spice them up a bit before you post them, even if you aren't the best at finding art or writing flavorand I'm certainly not.. There isn't much to say otherwise.
I want to make a creature whose power and/or toughness increases based on the number of a basic land type you have, up to a limit. How should I phrase it?
Right now, it's "~'s power is equal to the number of LANDNAME you control, up to N" but that seems weird to me. Is there a card with limits like that already?
>>43567317
We verge now
>>43567400
>We verge now
Deal. Fun that we both have a verge in our disparate settings.
>That card
I've always liked that one, and I like the flavor text more every time that I see it.
>>43562739
>Provides Hexproof to all humans, including itself
>Gives pseudo draw
>4 mana
>Doesn't need to be nerfed
You do realize the argument, "It loses to board wipes so that's okay" is really bad and just shows how strong it is, right?
"Oh yeah, this card is totally balanced. All it does is make all my humans extremely hard to remove and basically requires a WoG to deal with. It's really fair, especially at 4 mana."
This isn't the matter of bypassing it in the set, this is an issue of over all being too strong. This needs to be 5 mana or a 2/2.
>Why no otter typing
Because Wizards doesn't know how to do cool furry races. The closest they have to it are Avens but they usually forget about them.
>>43566723
Doing okay Counters-matter Anon. Nice to see you around again. I finally settled on a set to work on.
>>43567133
Good point. I'll give it flash.
>>43567491
Interesting take on TF and suspend. What a odd way to make a 3 mana B 4/4 flier.
>>43566723
Hey! October sucked, November is looking slightly better. Cards are still cards. You? Ever finish set two of the time block?
>>43567246
What is red about this? Just want the color identity for EDH?
It is a pretty weird card. I like the steady growth, that's pretty nifty. Transforming it is a bit of a chore, which is good. The planeswalker side is kind of lame though. You just sacrifice a thing and then if they don't have an answer you vomit your graveyard onto the table and swing next turn. You might use the -X once if you just need a bunch of crap in your graveyard for the ult but other than that it seems very boring for a 4-color sparker.
Also the +1 should probably just be a +X for simplicity.
>>43567400
Aesthetically beautiful but most of the time this is just going to be a colorless "target opponent sacrifices a creature" which probably shouldn't be colorless, at least not for such a low price. You don't even have to bother timing it well if you're playing artifacts.
>>43567246
The +1 on the walker has an activated ability within an activated ability. Should be 'Sacrifice a creature. If you do, put X loyalty counters on ~, where X is that creature's power.'
>>43567996
Red can sacrifice and give stuff haste.
My try at a legendary Dorf.
>>43567995
>Doing okay Counters-matter Anon. Nice to see you around again. I finally settled on a set to work on.
Thank you! And nice, I'm happy to hear that! What's the gist of the set?
>Albino Vel'sonin
I think it should be "spell with convoke," looking at Hand of the Praetors (which was the closest precedent I could find). Interesting way to enable convoke; I like it. I've played with convoke a bit myself before.
>Interesting take on TF and suspend. What a odd way to make a 3 mana B 4/4 flier.
Thanks! My DFC's are some of my favorite cards that I've ever designed.
>>43567996
>Hey! October sucked, November is looking slightly better.
I'm sorry to hear that October wasn't great. What happened?
>You? Ever finish set two of the time block?
I've been at a bit of a standstill, design-wise. I recently picked up a second job, and I'm applying to grad schools and all sorts of shit, so I've just been too busy. I'm hoping to pick it back up over break.
>Liberate Allies
Certainly too powerful for a common, but I love the concept and the flavor, especially at sorcery speed. It's a card that just feels nice and looks fun to use.
>>43568241
>no Jeskai dorfs
>>43567995
I was just giving context to the card, every color other than green has access to wrath-like effects of a higher power level than would be in a typical standard including the one I just posted that can be a 3 mana instant. In addition there are several "choose creature" single target answers that bypass hexproof altogether. It's a constructed environment, I feel like it's a safe assumption that if you get completely blown out by something because you didn't bother to bring tools that were readily available to you then you kind of deserved that. In the hypothetical UW-Humans-dominated meta players that don't make any effort to counter that deck are taking known risks.
It's also a 0 power 4-drop. It fixes your hand over time but doesn't actually net any card advantage. This is a low pressure defensive card, she can protect your actual threats but you need to have actual threats first (and having a bunch of dudes out is the reason for the wrath, not the one card). On her own she doesn't really do very much. So yes I'll obviously test the card but I'm not convinced it's as extreme as suggested. This isn't draft or anything where you can die to a sneeze if it's a little too forceful.
>>43568277
I have a tough time seeing the blue in dorfs.
>all these regulars in the thread suddenly
Well this is a pleasant surprise.
>>43568397
What's green about this?
>>43568428
I'm guessing that Epiphany is his UG faction's ability. Which means that it isn't green, it's UG. Multicolor design doesn't have to be a one-for-one amalgamous process.
>>43568428
Green is 2nd in draw with black, so caring about you drawing cards beyond the first one is something it would actually care about, moreso than other colors besides blue. Also do we really need another +1/+1 counter mechanic? Just trying something new, and the set is WIZARDS so it makes thematic sense as well.
>>43568465
Seems a tad odd for a UG ability
>>43568272
>bad stuff
I get torn apart enough for designs, not about to bring personal details into these threads. Appreciate the interest though.
>grad school
What field? I was originally planning on continuing to that but bailing for an average joe career just made too much sense.
>card
I don't think I knew that was also one of your set symbols, now I'm curious to know just how many of your cards I have saved. Is the altan street magician in that set?
>>43568397
Hey, Norm!
Are Cheers references still alright? Ted Dansen is still alive I think.
>>43568474
Ah, I was more referring to the scry, as far as I know green isn't high up in scry power
>>43568483
G is a lot better at drawing cards than it used to be.
>>43568483
I certainly can't debate that, but that's really because WotC has us trained to see Simic as "+1/+1 counters: the faction". Plus doing things related to draw is kind of unexplored territory, at least regarding ability words and whatnot.
>>43568465
>>43568272
I'd wondered where you'd gone off to. Grad school and second jobs eh? Man, I count myself lucky that I only need the one job and am long done with school.
>>43568539
Oh that part is certainly more blue-leaning, you're right about that. I wouldn't have Epiphany do such a thing on a monogreen card.
>>43568428
Dude, green loves drawing cards.
>>43568465
>>43568533
>posting an extremely old card at the same time that I mentioned it
Well then. Should probably start throwing all your stuff into one folder if I haven't already, there's certainly enough of it and my general anon folder is a mess.
>>43568241
Kind of boring. Feels UW. It's all about waiting for the right moment to strike instead of rushing in, and rushing in is much more WR then sitting around.
>>43568272
>D. o. t. D. Feast
Well then. That is a card. I guess it's fine? It's so massive it would be difficult to cast.
>Gist of set
WB demon/cleric stuff with lots of convoke and cleric tribal matters stuff, and possibly a RB demon liberation stuff.
The lore is The Church tried to destroy the underworld to "free the good people of the world from the brutality of death" but instead converted it into a kind of purgatory. The demons within it grew exhausted and most unconscious. The Church soon found it very easy to bind these demons and use them for work then send them back into their ruined world when they are done with them.
>>43568319
>Saltshell
Interesting. Cool too. I like it.
>Set run down
Well if she works for your set then you don't need to change her. I would imagine there are some decent humans else she is a useless blocker with a bit of a cycle tool.
>>43568428
It's a creature :^)
>>43568465
Nice wedge creature. Fits the rarity. The flavortext is clever.
>>43568533
That bird is a fucking asshole. You could make it UB if it is a 2/1 and "Whenever a player would scry, ..."
>>43568533
So is Kelsey Grammer so yeah, it's legit. I chuckled. It's like a 2014 class reunion up in here right now.
>Gull
Huh, I dunno how you would actually word this. It makes sense as it is, so I guess it works.v Make it an Albatross though; big wings, blot out the sun, make seeing into your own head harder, right?
Dunno if I like this more or less. It's more powerful now and the 1/1 is harder to block, but also now the 3/3 tokens are more likely to run into a 4/4 or something. Maybe I could make it cheaper and have it make 2/2 wolves or something.
Reference >>43555372
>>43568597
>>43568616
Solid uncommons that kill things. Note on the bellower, you want "its summoner" not "it's summoner" in the flavor text.
Not on my laptop right now, but will post some stuff in due time
>>43568772
I feel like this does too many things
>>43568616
At least up the damage to 3 Right now it's just aggressively terrible
>mfw land tokens sound cool
>>43568616
Oh man more evoke cards that are basically, "Spell but can also be a creature."
>>43568642
You should just change it's rules text to, "Target opponent casts a removal spell or loses the game."
I dislike how much it's like Giest. How about you give it shroud and defender, make it a 3/3, and give it, "GG, T: Put a 3/3 green Beast creature token onto the battlefield. It has "This creature must be blocked if able."
Still fits the theme of making 3/3s that need to be blocked, but is more unique.
>>43568642
Capable of getting out of hand in draft but I don't think you'd see it in Modern. Probably a good place for it, I suppose. Depends on how much protection would be in the set it's in; if there's an equipment or aura that grants hexproof or Totem Armor or something it could be problematic. But in a vacuum, it's probably fine.
>>43568772
Busy card. Honestly, it's a good card without the second and third abilities; just drop them and have your AutoOring.
>>43568597
>>43568616
I was thinking "white hates on abilities and scry is kind of an ability" but a dimir albatross could be a better fit, I'll see if there's a slot to move it into.
>>43568642
Not liking this version as much, 3GG for a 1/1 just feels wrong even if it makes sense in context. It does have a lot of green shit happening in the effect, maybe just up the color weight to a ridiculous amount and cost it super aggressively that way? That might give you a little room to push it.
>>43568784
Ominous.
>>43568533
>What field?
Education. I plan on teaching English. The second job I picked up was an assistant teaching position.
>Obfuscating Gull
I'd word it as "In an opponent would scry one or more cards, instead he or she scries that many cards minus 1." But that's just my best guess.
>>43568594
>Is the altan street magician in that set?
>>posting an extremely old card at the same time that I mentioned it
Guess we were on the same wavelength there! I'm flattered that you remembered such an old card of mine, and that you have it saved.
>>43568543
It's all very exciting and fucking exhausting at the same time.
>>43568597
>Well then. That is a card. I guess it's fine? It's so massive it would be difficult to cast.
Which is why it has convoke!
>Cleric tribal
Excellent. I have a soft spot for clerics and for tribal. I look forward to seeing more!
>Nice wedge creature. Fits the rarity. The flavortext is clever.
Thanks!
>>43568616
It's certainly nice to see everyone. How's the new set treating you, SavageAnon?
>>43568901
return from where
>>43568819
5 mana for a shock and a bear is actually not bad, given pricing on similar cards in Gatherer.
>>43568901
>dimir
I don't think that's necessary; white hates on abilities just fine, as do green and blue. But put it where it fits thematically and mechanically, I suppose.
>>43568910
Christ, you're Apexanon too? I had no idea. You get around, Timeanon.
>set
Eh, it goes. I shelved the Civil War set for now because going from a set with low magic (savage) to a set with low magic (civil war and technology/creature-centric) was wearisome. I needed something to cut loose in, and I can do that with RAVWARTS: TALE OF AMORALIA. Motivation to make cards is irregular, but I have all my mechanics pretty much in place now so it's just the process of creation at this point.
Speaking of mechanics, I need to get the final polish on Recall. The discard is a great balance to the effect, but now I am left to figure out if it needs a cost restriction on it as to what you can grab or if the card pitch is enough, and it doesn't need to be restricted. I am more in the mindset that the former is true, so this is how it currently stands worded.
>>43568772
Woops I always miss use apostrophes.
>B. Spires
Very busy feels kind of silly, but it works. I would drop the sac ability.
>>43568901
Other anon pointed out the problem, needs a place to return. Also art and such. Cool concept none the less.
>>43569023
"Counter target counterspell, and return a counterspell from your graveyard to your hand."
Joking aside, cool card, recall feels like of gross to me because there is already a whole lot of graveyard interaction already and this just feels like more fuel for dredge.
>>43568597
>on the dorf
I'll be up front, the red is mainly for flavor, since Dwarves are RW in my set. But I think it fits RW pretty well, since it's about attacking, first strike, and haste, but only when the white part of it allows it to. Also, overpowered or nah?
>>43568803
Every single thing it does interacts though. The design started as just the middle ability, but that would be really worthless on its own card, so I made it be on an expensive oblivion ring. Sac'ing it to draw a card can immediately get you a card you scry'd back on top of the library at the cost of breaking the o-ring.
I know it just looks like a jumble but I like how the different parts of the card work together. That being said, the middle ability is the core of the design that I wanted to do stuff with.
>>43568881
>it's a good card without the second and third abilities
You are aware that oblivion ring was changed to Banishing Light right?
>>43568901
For the beastcaller, something I've been considering is keeping it as the version that only makes one token, but not having the token disappear and upping the cost a bit. Then the conditional hexproof has more chance to shine (I don't know why people are overestimating that hexproof ability, since by itself it literally is only functioning during combat).
Unearthing Ceremony is pretty neat. I like the tapped clause here, since it can make the price more feasible and also stops the conspired version from being a total brick wall for at least one turn.
>>43568910
>end of next turn
>can make your own spells more expensive
I'm still very interested in this set theme.
>>43568901
Sadly, the ominousness will have to go unanswered for two hours while I go see a movie for a class. If the thread is still around, I'll post some stuff.
>>43569067
I just really hate forced colors in cards. Even with all that stuff it feels still fairly U. It feels WUR but still some U in there.
>t. Thaumaturge
What does that name mean?
>First ability
Tokens need a color stance. if they are colorless, it should be, "Put two 1/1 colorless ..."
Pretty god damn strong for UR artifacts but it being a 7 drop with 4 color devotion makes it A-Okay.
>>43568834
Did someone say land tokens? I'm like 90% certain these are terrible but the factions are allied colors anyway so I might leave this subpar cycle in just for the novelty factor.
>card
Seems fair, slight cost bump for a slight upside. I'd prefer the 1/1s to be Imps but that's just flavor preference.
>>43568910
Jesus, you're the ladder too? What set symbol haven't you been?
>teaching
Nice, I started out as an English major with similar aspirations. Transitioned to philosophy soon after, it would be great to teach that for a living but that seems increasingly less likely.
>>43568911
Haha wow, I only needed nine words and still managed to fuck it up.
>>43569110
Gain 4 life scry 1 doesn't seem like it's worth a card though.
>>43569064
>recall
Maybe just "costs less" then? That's what it was at previously but I buffed it a little with the discard requirement being tacked on.
>Mephun
What an odd card. Seeing defender on a BR card just causes me to spittake. The rest of it seems legit, and I get that it has defender so it can be cheaper, but it still just feels so off.
>>43569067
>my race is my job
What is this, D&D1e? Jokes aside, it's kind of interesting how his token gen ability doesn't gel with his other two, though they make him feel very busy all told. I feel like in that case, you should just do away with the first ability and make him a touch easier to cast. And maybe a 4/4 too.
>>43569172
I feel like it could be an interesting option. There are those really awful old cards that can replace card draw with life gain, and those are pretty bad. However, when you attach scry 1 to the ability, you are digging just as much as if you were drawing a card, and only setting yourself back 1 draw (which the card can then pop itself to get). The idea is that late game, when finding a specific answer matters more than drawing more lands or low drops that don't impact the game, you can be chunking up on life while digging just as well.
>>43569110
Holy shit I read that as though it repeatedly Oringed things. That's why I even said that. Nevermind.
Still feel that the other two abilities are tacked-on and have no real flavor connection to the exile.
>>43569223
Eh, I guess this is perception at work. The oring ability is listed first because it's an ETB, but that was actually the part I tacked on to the card.
I'd rather not make the card lose that functionality though, because like I said, the middle effect is not worth its own card. And if it were on it's own card, it'd be cheap, but that doesn't matter since the ability is only good late in the game.
As for the flavor, I don't really find that an issue.
>>43569162
>>43568910
>teaching
A side note on teaching; I have several friends that did it, and I won't presume to ask you where you are in the world, but in several places in the US of A you need to be careful about the common practice of "fire then hire" that schools do to prevent tenure. They will sign you to a year contract, then fire you, then rehire you so you get no raises and it becomes harder to buy time or retire promptly. Just something to look out for, but since you're already in the mix, you probably already know that if you live in this country. Not everywhere does it but a lot of places do.
>>43569162
>E. Reef
that would actually make for a very interesting common cycle. It's not good obviously, but it provides a very interesting kind of fixing. I would put them in my "Tokens matter set".
I was considering imps. I'll change it to that.
>>43569188
Don't get me wrong, I think recall is a cool ability it's just I dislike how hard it is to make good cards with graveyard interaction and not in some way buff delve/dredge.
>Mephun feels weird
Good! His plane has it's Black essence totally fucked over by a BW church that tried to destroy the underworld. As you can imagine it has put a real shift to things on the bottom of the color pie.
>>43569023
>>43569162
>Christ, you're Apexanon too?
>Jesus, you're the ladder too?
I have a lot of ideas, but not the wherewithal to finish many of them. When I post new concepts, I tend to post them divorced from my old work, to get unbiased eyes on them.
>New Set
That's the same reason I started up a new project. Going from timeset 1 to timeset 2 started to burn me out a bit, so it was nice to work on something in a completely different direction.
>Recall
Kind of reminds me of recover, even though they're very different. Interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with it!
>>43569110
>I'm still very interested in this set theme.
Mechanically, it's a "cost matters" environment. Thematically, I have a lot of ideas, but I'll be brief. It's set underground in a society based around a seemingly bottomless vertical shaft, like an inverted Tower of Babel. They live in tunnels around the shaft and in rickety scaffold-like settlements built all up and down it.
>>43569119
Drat, everyone getting foiled by education tonight.
>>43569264
It's interesting how people perceive cards so differently. I still really like that card, it seems oddly cohesive in an intriguing way but at the same time I can see how someone else could look at it and go "what the fuck is going on here?"
>>43569286
This sounds consistent with everything I've heard about the profession. That's part of the reason I didn't throw all my eggs into that basket, even though the reward is probably well worth the risk.
>>43569346
>Fuck flying: The card
Nice. Also fuck flying.
>>43569402
I feel like this should be caring about creature types and not land types. Still cool though.
>>43569222
The sac is nice as you can use it in response to the Oring being removed but I don't think I'd ever use the life gain.
>>43569471
Needs a duration
>>43569303
Is Grixis Delve a thing? I suppose it could be since you see it in B and U a lot, so yeah, Recall can be a bit of an issue, but we'll see. At least it's not card advantage like it was when I first conceived it. I'll keep it as-is for now then.
>Mephun
Oh. Well then, wedges ahoy? I take it you're shifting the focus color a little to get your flavor?
>>43569346
>scaffold
Hm. A reach anthem on something this cheap could be disruptive, but I guess it depends on how extensive flying is, since I can't imagine flying would be a common adaptation in a cluttered vertical shaft except for very small creatures. Or very important ones.
>>43569402
This reverse domain is pretty neat.
>>43569402
>Xenophobe
I like it, honestly. Black caring about land types is a bit of a stretch, and the other anon has a point about "xeno" usually meaning living things, not places, but it's a good one-drop, and I have an appreciation for those.
>>43569471
Seems fine, except you need an "until end of turn" on that anthem.
>>43569525
I wouldn't worry about delve/dredge effects with recall as they already have plenty of ways of getting specific cards into graveyards
