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If you have your Betrayal at Calth set, remember to be extra heretical.
When will BL start putting out Siege of Terra novels? 5 years? 10 years? 28,000 years?
Is there any way to make one or two Betrayal at Calth boxes into an army that works for both 30k and 40k? Not a lot of 30k players at my local gameshop, so if I invest into this I also want it to be a kickass SM army. Because let's be real...both the power armor and the terminator armor look way sexier than the standard 40k stuff.
>>43524609
Once HH stops being so profitable.
>>43524662
Tell the 40K players that your army's some homebrew second-founding chapter with a shitload of hand-me-downs from previous generations because Ad-Mech hates them or something. Not sure about adjusting rules, cost etc, though.
Just reposting my first draft for evaluation, before I settle on any purchases.
++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1997pts) ++
+ HQ (547pts) +
Legion Centurion (372pts) [Artificer Armour, Boarding Shield, Bolter, Cameleoline]
····Castellax Class Battle-Automata Maniple [Enhanced Targeting Array]
········Castellax [Darkfire Cannon, Two Power Blades]
········Castellax [Darkfire Cannon, Two Power Blades]
····Consul (35pts) [Praevian]
Strike Captain Alvarex Maun (175pts) [Legion Drop Pod]
····Master of the Legion [Decapitation Strike]
+ Troops (420pts) +
Legion Tactical Squad (210pts) [Legion Drop Pod, 9x Tactical Space Marines]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-Melta, Melta Bombs]
Legion Tactical Squad (210pts) [Legion Drop Pod, 9x Tactical Space Marines]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-Melta, Melta Bombs]
+ Elites (725pts) +
Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (225pts)
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Graviton Cannon]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Graviton Cannon]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Graviton Cannon]
Mor Deythan Strike Squad (175pts) [Artificer Armour, 5x Combi-Flamer, Melta Bombs, 4x Mor Deythan]
Mor Deythan Strike Squad (175pts) [Artificer Armour, 5x Combi-Flamer, Melta Bombs, 4x Mor Deythan]
Mor Deythan Strike Squad (150pts) [4x Mor Deythan, 5x Sniper Rifle]
+ Fast Attack (190pts) +
Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron (95pts)
····Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [2x Hunter-killer Missiles, Multi-melta]
Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron (95pts)
····Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [2x Hunter-killer Missiles, Multi-melta]
+ Heavy Support (115pts) +
Legion Whirlwind Scorpius
>>43524925
Between the Rapiers, the Scorpius and the Castellax the list doesn't feel very fluffy.
Powerblades on a Castellax are largely worthless.
Anyone have a Terror Assault army and want to tell me how the army works?
I really want to give 30k a go but after playing CSM for a long time I don't want to invest in another army that looks great but gets shit on all day
>>43524214
Here's an updated version of that picture I have on this computer since these threads were a thing a while back.
>>43524662
30k is fully compatible with normal 40k. The FAQ mentions any changes between the two systems caused by 7th Edition. That said, 30k is kinda weak until about 2000+.
>>43526596
I was thinking about going with an infantry-heavy Red Scorpions since the older armor as well as the 10 man squads go well with the Apothecary upgrades. Are there rules for Red Scorpions in 30k as well?
>>43526866
disgusting waste of dubs desu senpai
>>43526866
This must be bait...
does a heavy bolter with sniper special rule from vet squads still wound on a +4 even though it would normally wound on a +3?
>>43526866
This is what BaC has brought upon us, guys. This is the kind of shit we will have to deal with from now on.
Is this what you wanted? Is this worth HH plastics, anon?
It didn't have to be this way...
>>43524214
Ever since seeing this thread i have been curious, who are the black guys with the Aquila on the 'imperial' side of the picture?
>>43527196
No, the better value is used. The FAQ does answer that.
>>43527242
Raven Guard and that's not an Aquila.
>>43527242
The three legions with black armor are Iron Hands, Dark Angels and Raven Guard. Now, take a wild guess!
>>43526866
>>43527020
>>43527196
Jokes on you guys, I was being 100% sincere. Welcome to the Age of Sigmarization of your favorite overpriced hobby ;)
>>43527514
but red scorpions are a chapter, why would they be with the legions....
>>43527514
Nooooooo you monster!
>>43527741
Because my knowledge of the Horus Heresy starts at book 1 and ends at book 4 of the main series.
>>43527932
I was going to ask how the existence of the Legions, along with the absence of Chapters, wasn't a tipoff, but I realized that anyone who didn't remember that from 40k 101 wouldn't notice that anyway.
>>43524662
Generally that box is only gonna be good for 30k.
Tac Marines and Terminators suck in 40k so having 40 marines and 10 Termies in a codex: space marines list will be shit.
You're best bet as another anon said would be to just use the 30k army list for games of 40k.
>>43524925
>Graviton Cannon Rapiers
Was gonna say that this will probably fuck up things for your melee units and then I realised you have no melee units.
>>43524925
Formatting
>>43527741
>but red scorpions are a chapter, why would they be with the legions
Chapters existed inside many of the legions, and often even had their own heraldry pre-Heresy. The Word Bearers' Shattered Sun chapter, for example, later became the Gol Vorbak, while Autek Mor's company of misfits used the heraldry that would later become the crest of the IH 2nd founding Red Talons.
For most of the Legions it was a great rarity to fight as a cohesive unit, so chapters were an easy way of breaking off self-sufficient chunks of the greater whole to attend to hotspots in the ongoing Crusade.
>>43528690
i know but he asked about red scorpions which are not a chapter in any legion
>>43528690
How many clans are there in the iron hands during the legion era.
>>43528721
they aren't, but my point is more that a person's not precluded from using similar heraldry for their dudes to draw a link between chapter and legion if they want; IE that just because the Red Scorps in particular didn't exist doesn't mean chapters as a whole didn't.
I also just realized I wrote 'Shattered Sun' instead of Serrated Sun in my previous post. My bad.
>>43528874
oh i know i wasnt disputing that?
>>43528866
a lot. I don't recall if there's a total number
>>43528933
>>43528866
9 are mentioned in book 2
but there is probably more
>>43528916
we cool then. I mostly just wanted to post heraldries anyway
>>43528969
VIIIth Talons best Talons
>>43528969
Which is the better legion? Imperial Fists or Alpha legion?
>>43528996
>>43529017
Forge World's AL stuff is pretty as fuck
>>43527932
Quite a shame, as while there was certainly a dip in quality the middle books, Scars, Betrayer, Meduson, and others are quite good. Not to mention the enormous amount of material in the FW books.
>>43529070
I really like how FW developed the AL's other "face". We get the whole subterfuge and disguising and Alpharius thing, but there's a whole other side to the legion that tries to be as noticeable and loud as possible. Lots of heraldry, titles, and symbolism, both for their own sense of showing off, to act as bait if necessary, and also to make sure that the enemy learns all of these details, so the AL can change it all the very next day.
>>43529544
Absolutely. The sneaky disguise aspect of the Alpha Legion is great from a fluff standpoint, but from the standpoint of someone looking to build and paint an army the 'loud and proud' heraldry is awesome. It goes a long way to creating a cohesive theme and look across an army.
Are there any good batreps where I can watch 30k games to get a good feel for it and decide if I want to invest into the hobby past the plastic box?
Who was the largest primarch?
>>43524609
There was a rumor post on dakka from a supposed BL employee who said they plan to keep the series going for 10 more years before anything Terra-related
>>43524214
fuck you and your wordplay OP
>>43531874
Magnus, even without warp magic he was a giant.
Funny story for you guys:
>go to party for Halloween
>hours pass, get really drunk
>sleep & leave friends apartment in morning
>day passes
>get text from friend
>"Dude, who is Ferrus Manus?"
>confused, I ask him how he knows that name(he's not into Warhammet)
>tells me I got really drunk at party and started crying about Ferrus Manus
>said I kept saying that Ferrus was "forever young" and got cut down before his time
>other people at party thought I had a friend named Ferrus that had died
I mean, I guess Ferrus is my friend in a manner of speaking.
>>43532118
you sound like a fun fa/tg/uy
>>43528969
whenever I see markings like these, I must think 'who on EARTH can paint that??'
>>43534820
Graham Short, the guy who engraves pinheads by hand. I bet he could do it.
>>43532150
Thanks, brother. The flesh is weak.
>>43524925
Ignore >>43525910 (except for the power blades bit)
RG Do what they need to do with whatever necessary tools. If that means sneaking in rapiers piece by piece and putting camo netting on them for SURPRISES ARTY then they will do it. Same with robutts. They won't shun rapiers or tonks because MUH SHADOWS if it means that the mission will be done efficiently and correctly. They are all about the right tools for the job.
I'm guessing Maun is carting some Mor Deythan? Makes sense. I prefer to have him on the ground with camo(in units like rapiers) to guide things with his 18" bubble, but that works too.
>>43527220
/thread
>>43529017
Rules wise? They are top 4 alongside AL, IH, and RG with the player being the real deciding factor.
>>43534808
I'm trying to love it but the zits ruin it for me.
>>43535177
Was Ferrus really in that opinion? I was more in impression, that it was his sons who started to pervert Ferrus' opposition for all kinds of weakness.
>>43535472
>AL
>Top 4
I mean, they're good, but not on the same level as the God Tier Legions that basically just get stat bonuses.
>>43536316
He was the exact opposite. He had a whole long monologue about how the flesh was what made the machine, and without flesh, steel was nothing. He also said he wanted to get rid of his IRON HANDS to prove that point to his Legion, since he only got his IRON HANDS by killing that dragon thing with his flesh hands.
Then he was decapitated and his Legion lost their heads. So they're kind of like the Blood Angels in that the psychic feedback from the death of their Primarchs made them a bit nuts.
>>43536430
Thought so.
>>43532100
Lorgar said that nobody has ever seen Magnus' true form. I don't think he really has a physical form.
So, opinions on this guy?
He seems cheap and provides a ton of varied utility, especially when running with a big squad of Gal Vorbak.The only downside I can think of is that he isn't a chaplain, despite having the abilites and fluff of one.
On the other hand, he doesn't have Deepstrike and if he joins a Gal Vorbak squad he can't bring his pretty solid bodyguards.
>>43529017
Alpha legion is legit the most overpowered . They got the numbers and don't fight like retards. They'd wreck any other legion one on one
Who is going to just run the BaC marines without FW upgrade bits? Who here has some free hand painting skills?
does anyone have a good picture of the sprue of the hero thats not the one in terminator armor?
>>43532118
where will you be when autism strikes, /tg/?
>>43524825
>a shitload of hand-me-downs from previous generations because Ad-Mech hates
But having more older armour is a sign of the opposite. Because in 40k newer technology is worse.
>>43536885
Not necessarily true. Older marks are more venerated, but newer marks (especially Errant armor) offer more protection.
>>43531998
You know you love it bro
>>43536548
I'm pretty sure we were talking about crunch, bro. Also, the Alpha Legion gets rekt all the time. Like the three times they were declared wiped out, for example. /tg/ I AM ALPHARIUS memeposting aside, they're pretty much any other Traitor Legion (besides the Black Legion, of course). Hell, their chosen method of warfare isn't really conducive to long-term victory in the 40k universe, seeing as how Tyranids, Orks and Necrons don't really give a fuck.
>>43536912
I thought the MkIII was the toughest in terms of sheer protection, hence it being favoured for siege duty.
>>43536430
Now hold on! That was from the Neimerel Scrolls, a document that may have been discovered thousands of years after Ferrus's passing. I question its validity.
>>43524214
Is the Betrayal at Calth game any good?
I want to buy it, but I don't want to spend $200~ (Canadian) if the actual game isn't very good.
>>43537944
This. For sheer (forward) protection, the Mk. III is top. It's basically Mk. II with extra slabs of armour slapped to it.
>>43531874
>>43532100
Think you'll find that's Vulkan
He is the largest and physically strongest of the Primarchs
>>43538100
The white dwarf has a run through of a game of it from which you can work out how it basically works.
>>43537190
>Like the three times they were declared wiped out, for example
You know who was also declared wiped out? Slaanesh. By the Tau. The Imperium doesn't know shit about the enemy they fight, and they kill anyone who learns something.
>>43538100
You don't buy it for the game, you buy it for the minis. The game is just an excuse to put them all into the same box.
>>43538100
I tried it yesterday and I found it awesome.
Is there a pattern of bolter that uses drum magazines? The heavy bolter and combibolters in the betrayal at calth box look really good with them, but I've no idea whether converting basic bolters to have drum mags as well would have any fluff justification whatsoever.
>>43538116
The key difference here being that the Imperium at least know what they're dealing with to some degree. The Tau knew jack shit of Chaos, the Imperium created the Alpha Legion, even if they have no precise records on them. Those would've had to have been pretty goddamn significant wins for them to declare an entire Space Marine Legion wiped out in its entirety. Hell, evemn if they assumed they were basically just a Chapter, that would still be really significant.
>>43532118
Dude, i'd drink with you
>>43534820
How about the guy who does the contemptors with the celtic knots and maze stuff
>>43538223
Magazines are removable and interchangeable with same weapons unless they are for different calibres or something so go ahead and make drum mag bolters. I think they look sweet.
>>43536519
>175
>cheap
u wot m8
>>43538464
>>43532118
tfw no fa/tg/uy drinking buddy to cry about the dead primarchs with
>>43538561
He's not wrong, you know. Just look at what he brings to the table:
- Zealot
- Deamon + IC, so he can join Gal Vorbak
- +1 to combat resolutions within 12"
- +1" to Sweeps
- ML2 psyker that can *pick* his powers
- force weapon & artificer armor
- once per game reroll a psy test & heavy flamer
- Diabolist (with a +1 buff)
- Master of the Legion
- Diabolist
- unlocks Chaos Daemon as allies
- unlocks Ashen Circle as Troops
- unlocks the Anakatis Kul as a command squad
Okay, so his statline is decidedly average, but offers more utility than some primarchs, for a fraction of the cost.
>>43531900
I hope this is true, as well as with Forge World milking every drop of shit of the Heresy.
>Master of Sigil with 20 footslogging Tacs
Is this okay or should I put them in a Spartan tank?
>>43538251
No they really don't. The Emperor created the Alpha Legion. The Ahriman series makes it clear that there were plenty of Inquisitors who didn't even know who the Thousand Sons were! The Ordo Redactus has worked for thousands of years, removing the knowledge you're talking about. The Imperium didn't know anything about the Alpha Legion during the Great Crusade, and they know WAY less about them in M41.
>>43538069
But he does show some limits of augmentation as he possed objects which can transfer mind into machine but choosen to keep them under guard even from the Mechanicum. p91 from book 3
>>43539061
Throw in a Apothecary.
It makes those footsloggers a bit more survivable
>>43539244
Yes, the Sarcosan Formulae, the Progression of the Seventh Gate, and the Ophidian Scale. Combined, they basically create sentient undead.
>>43539270
Is the Spartan strat strictly better?
>>43539343
No, tacticals in a Spartan is a horrible idea for most legions. Some melee legions can do it, and, in fact, World Eaters have only two viable builds, one of which relies on melee tacticals in Spartans, but in general it is a horrible waste of points.
You'll want your Spartans to ferry around high-value deathstars and the like, not some 250pts baseline blob meant for sitting on objectives.
could you guys help me build a good iron warriors list considered that I would use the betrayal at calth content plus 2 rhinos, a land raider and a vindicator?
>>43539812
Emperor's Children also like their armoured assaults, but they prefer it to be dedicated transports so they can pull Fulgrim shenanigans, so Tacticals are stuck with Land Raiders.
>>43539812
Thanks anon
This is what I got planned to build from 2 of the new BaC box:
+++ Ultra (3000pts) +++
++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (3000pts) ++
+ HQ (315pts) +
Legion Master of Signal (95pts)
Legion Chaplain (85pts)
Legion Praetor (135pts) Cataphractii, Logos Lectora
+ Troops (870pts) +
20x Legion Tactical Squad (260pts)
10x Legion Tactical Squad (185pts) Rhino
10x Legion Tactical Squad (185pts) Rhino
6x Legion Tactical Support Squad (240pts) Meltas and Rhino
+ Elites (900pts) +
Apothecary (45pts)
Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (380pts)
2x Legion Contemptor Dreadnought (190pts) [Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon (15pts)]
10x Legion Terminator Squad (475pts) 2 Heavy Flamers 8 Pairs of Lightning Claws
+ Heavy Support (515pts) +
6x Legion Heavy Support Squad (185pts) Missile Launchers
Legion Spartan Assault Tank (330pts) [Dozer Blade (5pts), Flare Shield (25pts), Twin-Linked Bolter (5pts)]
+ Legion +
Legion Astartes [XIII: Ultramarines]
+ Lord of War (400pts) +
Roboute Guilliman (400pts) [Master of the Legion, Primarch]
Sorry about the sloppiness if battlescribe. I will squeeze the termies, Praetor, Girllyman, and the Chaplain into the Spartan. I forget if Roboute is bulky or not. The rest go in rhinos or footslog. Master of Signal and Apothecary go with the 20 Tacs.
>>43539861
You could also build the damn thing yourself, like any non-faggot would do, especially since you already know what you have.
But alright.
>The Hammer of Olympia
>HQ
- Erasmus Golg - 175
(his wargear is exactly the same as the praetor from BaC has)
- Legion Preator - 150
paragon blade, warsmith, iron halo
(chop of the plasma pistol of the chaplain and replace it with a bolt pistol)
- Legion Command squad - 200
5 marines; 4 charnabal sabre, powerfist (on the standard bearer), meltabombs
>Troops
- Legion Tactical squad - 170
10 marines; combi-plasma, legion vexilia
-- Rhino - 50
heavy bolter with shrapnel bolts
- Legion Tactical squad - 170
10 marines; combi-plasma, legion vexilia
-- Rhino - 50
heavy bolter with shrapnel bolts
- Legion Terminator Squad - 210
5 terminators, heavy flamer, 5 powerfists
>Elite
- Legion Contemptor - 200
Kheres assault cannon, powerfist with heavy flamer
(chop off the chainsword and replace one finger from the fist with it; chop of the combi-bolter and put the flamers barrel there)
>Heavy Support
- Land Raider Phobos - 270
armored ceramite
- Iron Havocs - 185 *or* 210
5 havocs; 5 heavy bolters with shrapnel bolts
(tricky, but you need to get two additional heavy bolter another BaC set or FW; see if you can trade them)
- Legion Vindicator - 155
havoc launcher, armored ceramite
1985pts
>>43540306
yeah I am a faggot but I kept failing at building it properly as I didn't know how to equip the marines (never played 30k before).
this list looks fucking rad, thanks anon. I hope to keep up the honor of the legion
>>43540245
Drat. I forgot that AoD FoC gives 3 HQ's...
>>43536710
>>43540922
How many points do I really need to play 30k? i.e. in 40k I generally aim to have 1500 to 2000 for each army I run.
>>43541355
For regular Age of Darkness games I'd say at minimum 2000 so you can take a Lord of War. I usually play 2500-3000 points.
How do knights do in 30k? I love them but I feel like a dick using a whole knight army in 40k except in tournaments. Witnh the primarchs and other lords of war floating around, is it balanced?
>>43541494
I played against a knight army last night with my IWs for the first time. Knights can reliably stomp Primarchs to death, but I was able to basically focus fire down 1-2 knights per turn with all my shooting. So it depends on the mission. We played Blood Feud and obviously I chose Super-Heavy Walkers as my secret target. Game still came out really close, I only won by a 2 VPs.
>>43541494
I've never used Knights myself, but there is the Questoris Knight Crusade List in 30k that people say is significantly more interesting than anything involving Knights in 40k.
>>43541558
Does it require prinarchs to beat? God I love playing knights but there's no point if my friends hate them.
>>43540245
Bump? If no one gives feedback then I will assume that this list is fine.
>>43541673
Nope, you actually don't want to get your Primarch anywhere near them. He has a 1/6 chance of being outright removed from the game. I basically had 10 Tyrant Siege Terminators, 3 Quad Mortars and a Medusa (great for ignoring the Knight shield with Barrage) shooting them every turn until they closed into close combat.
They're definitely not OP, but they have a shock and awe factor if you've never fought against them before. Your friends won't hate them if they're not terrible at 30k/40k. Once you lose one knight, it's a pretty big deal and they're actually not that hard to take down.
>>43541736
Who is in the Sicarian?
You also might be habe some problem with heavier AV as your melta will struggle
>>43541791
You mean the spartan? He already said what he wants to stuff in it.
>>43541736
Only thing I can tell you is yes, Rowboat is Bulky not Very or Extremely. All the primarchs are at least bulky.
Is it worth it to give NL praetor a chainglaive? Also does anything stop me from giving chainglaive to a chaplain?
Getting myself BaC. Going to use half of the tacticals as veterans and some basic tacts for my IW army. Termies are going to be more Tyrants. Other half I was considering to be using as another allied detachment. First I considered Alpha Legion, but now I am shifting my gaze towards Raven Guard. So I can have some infiltrating troops. 10 tacticals for mandatory troop and perhaps 5 man Mor Deythan. Or should I stick with AL? Working on WE allied detachment for fast melee, don't really need more of that.
>>43537944
It was the best (frontal) protection. Right up until MkVIII.
>>43541791
Would Multi-Meltas or Lascannons on the Contemptors fix the anti tank problem?>>43542142
So the Chaplain should be able to fit into the Spartan. Thanks anon.
>>43541494
Sorta. At 2k-2.5k points, i.e. the point where the legions start picking up speed and Solar Auxilia becomes just a deluge of tanks, knights are pretty reasonable, and above 3k they start running out of steam in a hurry if your opponent knows what he is doing.
That said, the Questoris Knight army list is way, WAY better than its 40k equivalent. More interesting and flexible, with actual choices and a really awesome internal theme.
An opponent cought with his pants down might have minor hemorrhage when he sees six knights brutalizing their way across his deployment zone though.
But that's also fun.
>>43542369
All melta-type weapon tend to be of reduced worth in 30k due to the prevalence of Armored Ceramite.
And lascannons are meh at best.
Graviton spam means tons of Haywire hits, which will wreck any tank in a hurry, and if it survives it'll be stuck in terrain with some luck.
>Kurtha Sedd, a veteran Chaplain of the XVII Legion, fought at the forefront of the Great Crusade. He possessed a boundless drive, channeling his faith into acts of selfless heroism. There was an urgency to his every action that saw him climb the hierarchies of power, for Lorgar himself had told the Chaplain the Emperor was watching him, and he had taken the Primarch at his word.
>When fighting alongside the Ultramarines against the Ork menace, Kurtha Sedd impressed the captain of the Ultramarines 19th Company, Steloc Aethon, with his faultless commitment. The two were in many ways alike, for Sedd was a warrior of doubtless conviction, almost obsessive in his furtherance of the Great Crusade.
>After Monarchia, the humiliation of Kurtha Sedd's beloved Primarch drove him over the edge. Soon after the Emperor's censure of Lorgar, the Chaplain's despair and rage saw him turn a prayer hall into a corpse-strewn abattoir. When he came to his senses, Kurtha Sedd felt panic in his bones. The all-seeing Emperor had surely witnessed the act from on high - he had disgraced himself utterly in front of his god with the most horrendous of deeds. Retribution could not be far behind.
>Yet that retribution never came. The 'incident' was covered up by Kurtha Sedd's fellow officers, and the matter was drowned out by the thunder of war. The foundation of his belief, that the Emperor was divine and omniscient, was irrevocably shattered. Within weeks the Chaplain was working to further the doom of the False Emperor. His belief that Lorgar had lied to him made him unpredictable, and as such he was chosen by Kor Phaeron to lead the ground assault on Calth. upon hearing he would be deployed alongside Captain Aethon, Kurtha Sedd felt a twinge of regret. Yet it was nothing next to the fires of hatred burning in his soul.
Anyone here have any experience using the Cerberus, I want to get a super heavy and I'm caught between a Typhon and a Cerberus. For its costs I'm pretty sure the Typhon is the undisputed king of the LoW (350 pts for a str 10 7'' blast that ignores cover) but the Cerberus is tougher, with its flare shield effectively making it AV 15/16 on the front and the ability to stun lock an opponents LoW seems valuable, but at ~400 pts it doesn't seem worth it for only putting out a MAX of 3 str 10 hits per turn.
What are the chances that Thousand Sons won't be shit?
I mean, there's stuff like the Mhara Gal that will mulch every psyker it approaches with zero effort, the Dark Channeling RoW that turns psychic failures into pure death, and soon the Sisters of Silence.
>>43542720
Okay. I dropped the Support/Heavy Squad and aded grav to the dreads as well. That puts me down to 2650 points. A grav Rapier battery can get me up to 2875.
What else should I throw in there to get back up to 3k?
>>43542863
They can't really be compared effectively. The Cerberus is there to lock down superheavies until you can wheel some heavier guns around to deal with the threat or maybe, eventually kill them on its own; while the Typhon's main job is clearing out terrain, pulping elite troops and vehicle squadrons and running shit over.
With Armored Ceramite on a superheavy AV14 frame survivability isn't an issue anyway, the Flare Shield is little more than further insurance, especially considering it won't do jack to D hits anyway.
Basically, the Typhon is the better choice unless you *know* your opponent will bring a Reaver or upwards, at which point the Cerberus instantly becomes amazing.
>>43543080
A Whirlwind Scorpius is a pretty wonderful piece of kit and comes for 115 baseline.
The last 10 you could use to put two powerfists on the terminators with the heavy flamers. Or maybe see if you can make room for another 10pts somewhere and put Armored Ceramite on the Spartan.
>>43542787
Hmm, interesting. I wonder if we'll get specific rules for the two from FW.
>>43542863
Personally, I'm afraid of the Cerberus. Its main role is as a tank destroyer, yet if it shoots at anything really tanky (pretty much anything with a flare shield), it has a really good chance of hurting itself instead. A safer version of the gun is already fitted on the Venator, which is a whole lot cheaper and less likely to kill itself. I'd take the Typhon. If you're still worried about fighting tanks, pick up a Venator. They're a lot better for the points.
>>43541355
30k really works best at a 2k minimum. Ideally, you'd play at 3k.
What would be a nice not too money-intensive heavy support choice for a NL terror assault list?
>>43544009
>heavy support choice for a NL terror assault list
you really don't want any heavy support in a NL terror assault list. Load up on melta bombs instead.
If you really insist then a heavy weapons squad will do you well.
>>43544099
So just infantry with melta bombs? That's kinda what I'd like to do but I fear the list is too light on ranged anti-tank..
>>43538816
oh yeah, he is fucking great value, and is an amazing tool box
he is not, in absolute terms, cheap though. he is on the upper range of middling. The exodus, or a naked chaplin is more on the cheap side
>>43544149
NLs are kinda the wrong legion to be playing if you want ranged anti-tank. With good access to Deep Strike you're going to be within punching distance of most threats fairly easily.
That being said proxy a few models here and there and see what works for you.
>>43544334
That's good to hear, as a 30k noob I was just thinking that maybe big guns are something that you should almost always have in order to be able to deal with most lists
>>43524214
is the Crusade Army List missing in the archive?
>>43544398
Yes
>>43544393
grav weapons (although i'm not sure how good NL access is to them) and melta bombs are probably two of the best anti-tank options you have in 30k armies outside of LoW options and a small number of heavy/elites
Fluffy and Fun DG List - Thoughts?
+++ DG Reaping (2500pts) +++
++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2500pts) ++
+ HQ (110pts) +
Deathshroud Terminator Squad (110pts) [2x Deathshroud Terminators, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades]
+ Troops (710pts) +
Legion Heavy Support Squad (290pts) [9x Legion Space Marines, Missile Launchers]
····Legion Sergeant [Augury Scanner]
Legion Tactical Squad (210pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-Weapon, Melta Bombs]
Legion Tactical Squad (210pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-Weapon, Melta Bombs]
+ Elites (440pts) +
Legion Destroyer Squad (440pts) [Jump Packs, 9x Legion Destroyer Space Marine, Melta Bombs, 2x Missile Launcher with Suspensor Web and Rad Missiles Only]
····Legion Destroyer Sergeant [Artificer Armour, 2x Phosphex Bombs, Rad Grenades]
+ Heavy Support (815pts) +
Grave Warden Terminator Squad (475pts) [Chainfist, 4x Grave Warden Terminator]
····Chem-master [Deathshroud Power Scythe]
····Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite]
Legion Spartan Assault Tank (340pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield]
+ Legion +
Legion Astartes [XIV: Death Guard]
+ Lord of War (425pts) +
Mortarion the Reaper (425pts)
····Master of the Legion [The Reaping]
>>43544489
Well there's rapiers but they don't really fit in the terror assault theme..
>>43544393
Try a Contemptor with graviton chainfists in a Dreadclaw. That works with NL and is sure to hurt any vehicle stupid enough to remain in charge range.
>>43544498
Can't take the powerscythe on the Grave Warden, since the powerfist is the default gear and not a option.
>>43544009
3 Medusas of course.
Battlescribe has it as an option, but no probs.
Any actual help :P ?
>>43545152
it's a fluffy list which mean we're going to suggest a bunch of stuff to make it more competitive and you're going to reject them all on the grounds of them not being fluffy enough.
>>43545335
Open to any suggestions, just got this as a fluffy starting point :)
Starting up Iron Warriors, getting battle for calth, and have a jump pack destroyer squad, what should my next purchase be? i'd like to end up running hammer of olympia eventually
>>43545503
vindicators
medusas
rapiers
Can NL chaplain buy a chainglaive since crozius counts as a power weapon?
>>43545503
Man, with that good looking mk3 armour its a pity your a going to field your IW in mk4...
>>43545974
Hey, when The Plastic Heresy happens (and it will), you can be damn sure i will be picking up some MK 3 bits
>>43545974
Gonna use them for now as i'm itching to play, then pick up mk3 and replace what i get over time, and i love me some mkIV
>>43528690
Just what EXACTLY is the name of those leather spaghetti looking straps on his shoulders and crotch area? I know there's a specific name for them but I can't seem to remember.
>>43546363
epaulettes?
>>43546363
Pteruges mah fellow legionnaire.
sorry if this has been covered to death, but what has FW's official word have been on xenos again?
I know the only race that was prominent during the GC were orks (Emps got clocked by one right?) but I think it would be interesting to see how FW would handle them for 30k/HH
like I dunno, 50 man ork mobs or something
>>43546512
FW has said they'll never do rules for Xenos in the HH books. Doesn't mean you can't just run 40k lists against 30k. It's not like Ork or Eldar tech has really changed over time.
>>43545799
No, that's not allowed.
- The Crozius is not an option, but default wargear, but the chainglaive is only availiable to replace an option.
- The Crozius is, strictly speaking, not a powerweapon, but only counts as one.
That said, you can shell out the usual 15pts for the powerweapon availiable to him via his Legion Centurion baseline options, and replace that one with a chainglaive in a roundabout way.
>>43546043
I want to believe. Any proof?
>>43546822
Nothing but hopeful thinking.
>>43546822
There are rumors that GW is going to be expanding HH down the line, it has in a way already taken the place of LotR and the Hobbit.
There is also the fact that the Veteran Tactical and Cataphractii Terminator sprues look like they were made for a kit, they're not snapfit or all jumbled up like the sprues for DV.
However, I'd view it as a possible stretch that GW does another set of power armor outside of MKIV.
>>43524662
if you get two boxes of Calth all you need to do is get 10 razorbacks and you've got yourself a Gladius.
>>43546927
If they're going to do another mark of armour it'll probably end up being MkV.
Iron warriors, hammer of olympia 3000 points
Praetor, Iron Halo, Paragon Blade, Blind Helm of The Black Judges
Siege Breaker
Tactical Squad, 20 Marines, vexilla, nuncio vox
Tactical Squad, 19 Marines, vexilla, nuncio vox
Tactical Squad, 20 Marines, vexilla, nuncio vox
Rapier Weapons Battery, 3x Quad Mortars
Rapier Weapons Battery, 3 Quad Heavy Bolters, Shrapnel Bolts
Rapier Weapons Battery, 3 Quad Heavy Bolters, Shrapnel Bolts
Storm Eagle, 2 TL Lascannons
Artillery Tank squadron, 3 Medusas, Command Tank, 2 TL bolters
Sicaran Battle Tank, Armoured Ceramite, HB Sponsons, Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade
Sicaran Battle Tank, Armoured Ceramite, HB Sponsons, Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade
Spartan Assault Tank, Flare Shield, Pintle HB, Laser Destroyers, Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade
not supposed to be super competitive, but sorta fluffy
Will they ever make a set with a mixture of marks?
Gets bored painting the same armour over and over.
>>43547033
Nah, most upgrade kits are MkIV, MkII or MkIII.
My guess is MkII or MkIII being next.
>That's so Raven Guard
Someone with better Photoshop skills than myself should make a That's So Raven picture with Corax in place of Raven
>>43547815
>>43547692
Who said GW will even make another Mk or armour? They want you to buy Forge World.
>>43548102
>Who said GW will even make another Mk or armour?
>If they're going to do another mark of armour
>If
Try to keep up.
So the way I see the new BaC box set getting expanded upon is GW keeps it as a board game but introduces new models via expansion sets that come with new cards/tiles and infantry/walker units in order to justify a markup. That way they don't step on FW's profits when it comes to letting them keep their superior rules, but also allows people who can't afford FW to get in on the HH. If they stick to expansion sets, that pretty much guarantees there will never be plastic versions of FW's vehicles since none of them would work in the Hex-based board game which is fine, since GW wants you to buy the more expensive stuff anyway.
That's the only way I can see this working out for everyone, 40k players who want to get into 30k, 30k players who don't want their rules fucked by GW and both GW/FW's profits. But I'm sure GW will fuck it up somehow.
Sorry about the formatting, but I'm trying to figure out a 2000pt AL list. Does anyone have any advice?
+ HQ (530pts) +
Legion Centurion (145pts) [Jump Pack (20pts), Nanyte Blaster (40pts), Power Armour]
····Consul (35pts) [Vigilator (35pts)]
Legion Centurion (165pts) [Jump Pack (20pts), Power Armour, The Drakaina (45pts), Volkite Serpenta (5pts)]
····Consul (45pts) [Moritat (45pts)]
Legion Praetor (220pts) [Artificer Armour, Combat Augment Array (35pts), Digital Lasers (15pts), Iron Halo (25pts), Mastercraft a Single Weapon (15pts), Paragon Blade (25pts), Power Dagger (5pts)]
····Master of the Legion [The Coils of the Hydra]
+ Troops (660pts) +
Legion Tactical Squad (230pts) [14x Legion Tactical Space Marines (140pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant (20pts) [Power Dagger (5pts), Power Fist (15pts)]
Legion Tactical Squad (215pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (35pts), 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant (20pts) [Power Dagger (5pts), Power Fist (15pts)]
Legion Tactical Squad (215pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (35pts), 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant (20pts) [Power Dagger (5pts), Power Fist (15pts)]
+ Elites (535pts) +
Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts) [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons (25pts)]
The Rewards of Treason (355pts)
····Iron Havoc Support Squad (355pts) [3x Autocannon, 9x Iron Havoc (225pts), 6x Missile Launcher (with Frag, Krak, & Flakk missiles) (30pts)]
········Iron Havoc Sergeant (15pts) [Augury Scanner (5pts), Nuncio-vox and Power Fist (10pts)]
+ Heavy Support (230pts) +
Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer (230pts) [Lascannons (40pts)]
>>43551321
Uh, whoops. 3x Lascannon on the Havocs rather than Autocannons.
>>43551316
The contents of BaC can easily be repacked and sold separately a year from now after BaC has run its course (Like the assassin game) and GW could port the 30k predator/rhino design when they update that kit, none of these things step on FWs stuff and is a smart way to keep selling both minis and luxury rulebooks from FW, the only things that I can see FW keeping for themselvs are the upgrade kits, some armor marks, unique units and any non predator vehicle. .
>>43547059
I mean, I have no idea what you are asking for in terns of advice when you say it is fluffy?
Storm eagle sucks, I personally run medusas in squads of 2 and no more. Fuck heavy quad bolters.
>>43532118
Holy shit, this is hilarious
>>43538103
Vulkan claims he's the strongest, and he probably is, but he's not the biggest. I believe the biggest is, in fact, Magnus.
>>43538223
40k Sternguard have drum mags. So, there's an anachronistic precedent? Sort of?
>>43548059
Saved.
>>43552040
Are shrapnel bolts any good?
>>43524214
someone should update this pic so all the legions look more legion specific
like world eater guy has the boba fett helmet, ultramarine got that roman helmet head thingy, ravenguard is a beakie, etc
and theres no ad mech or solar auxilia
>>43553545
OP used a really old version of the picture.
As much as I would love to roll a 30k army. I don't think my autism would be able to take it.
Do you guys mix match your armors? Say, you have dudes in MKII armor and another set of dudes in MKIV armor? What do you guys normally do?
>>43553776
Mix and match within squads, and even on the same Marine.
>>43553776
It's fine, so long as you don't mix within squads. Unless you want to give the impression of a seriously pieced-together legion, in which case alternating marks can look nice.
>>43553776
dude after like 100-200 years crusading, I bet some marines have mish mashed armors
heck I bet some poor saps had to be in mixed terminator squads
>>43553776
All my Iron Warriors are MkIII except for models that don't come with MkIII crew i.e. Medusas, Quad Mortar Rapiers, etc.
If you could choose anyone from the 30k/40k universe to chill with, who would you pick?
I'd probably go with Horus because he's an ultra-chad or Ahriman because he'd probably play the tabletop with me.
>>43551321
Are the tacticals infiltrating? Because otherwise they seem to be both the core of your army and very vulnerable if your opponent has the right things, like vindicators or any sort of artillery. Im not very fond of tactical blobs but if you have used them before and they work go for it.
>>43554211
Perturabo would play the tabletop for sure. He would also be able to make some kickass robotic miniatures to have the battles play out in real time.
I think the whole murderous rage would be directed differently without the contexts of legion leadership and the crusades/ heresy.
Is this yet another list? Yes it is! Please rate it guys.
2000pts, Imperial Fists
+ HQ +
Legion Praetor [Iron Halo, Paragon Blade, Terminator Armour]
Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion]
+ Elites +
Contemptor Dreadnought [Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon]
+ Troops +
2x Legion Terminator Squad [5x Terminators, Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, 3x w/ Combi-Bolter & Power Fist, Teleportation Transponder, Sgt w/ Combi-bolter & Power Sword]
Legion Cataphract Terminator Squad [5x Terminators, Heavy Flamer, 3x Pair of Lightning Claws, Sgt w/ Combi-bolter & Power Sword]
Legion Veteran Tactical Squad 1 [10x Veterans, 2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, Rhino]
Legion Veteran Tactical Squad 2 [10x Veterans, 2x Missile Launcher and Suspensor Web, Tank Hunters, Rhino]
Legion Veteran Tactical Squad 3 [10x Veterans, 2x Missile Launcher and Suspensor Web, Tank Hunters]
+ Heavy Support +
Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron [Legion Predator Tank]
+ Fortification +
Imperial Bunker [Escape Hatch]
Cataphracts+Praetor move out of the Bunker, Indomitus terminators deep strike, Vet Squad 3 sits pretty on the bunker shooting shit while squads 1 & 2 move forward with the Pred and Dreadnought offering support. First time I run out of troop slots.
>>43538223
>Is there a pattern of bolter that uses drum magazines?
Any bolter pattern can use any of the magazines. Sickle magazines are standard, but they also make straight mags, drum mags and belt feeds.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Boltgun#Magazines
>>43532118
Betrayed by his best friend. Cut down in his prime. Never 4get. ;__;
Place your iron hand here so I can Iron Five you through the internet.
I have always loved the look and feel of massive amount of tactical squads footslogging across the battlefield. What legions are best for this kind of gameplay?
>>43555544
Iron Warriors
>>43555544
IW, DG, AL, IF, IH are all good for different reasons.
>>43554828
Might as well toss the Iron Halo and give the praetor a cataphract armor, since he is supposed to run with the Cataphracti anyway. Use those points to get him a combi-weapon and toss some grenade harness on the Cataphract sergeant.
Speaking of which:
>combi-bolter and powersword in the various termi sergeants
For what purpose? It's particularly baffling on the cataphract sergeant, where the loadout makes no sense, but on the others a powersword is still pretty shite.
I was looking through the Emperor's Children rules and wow. They aren't that great. Is there some subtle aspect that I'm missing or are they just kind of lacking compared to other legions.
I mean who gives a shit about stacking initiative in a game where most of the models have the same stat. I could see it if Fulgrim's additional attacks for every point of initiative greater than your opponent's was an army wide buff, but what the fuck is the point of putting sonic shriekers on a unit with charnable sabres?
And oh wow Eidolon gets a one time use str 2 attack with his. I guess rending works on it because it's only going to would on a 6 anyway.
How is this even comparable to like Raven Guard or even Night Lords?
>>43546822
sorry anon,i have only wild speculation
but it GW is not looking at all the cash FW is currently printing, then i will be very very surprised
So what does everyone think of this?
>>43556571
>>43556665
Fake and gay.
So let's see which legions will get played.
http://strawpoll.me/5961710
>>43556665
>Artwork instead of models.
>armored instead of armoured
>Units with a capital U in restrictions
>Refers to them as Chapter.
>Selecting Warlord Trait instead of re-rolling.
>Armory instead of Armoury.
>Age of Sigmar style rules in 30k/40k
Fake as fake poop.
Deredeo: are the autocannons + missiles the most versatile use of the chassis?
I'm currently hovering over the checkout button at Forgeworld. This would help fill the almost zero AA in my army, other than the one Sicaran.
>>43556935
It's not fake, but it's a homebrew set of rules made by one local shop.
>>43557044
Wow that shit is owned by actual retards for all the reasons >>43556935 mentioned
>>43556277
EC are actually among the best legions. With the I bonus your dudes can punk over others in mirror matches, but you don't play EC for that. Instead, look at the various boni to combat resolution. With the right unit composition you can stack those sickeningly high and make draws into wins, at which point you can sweep your opponent thanks to your built-in Crusader.
Also, Fulgrim is a cheap but useful primarch, Eidolon is devastating on the charge, Phoenix termis and Rylanor are basically mandatory, Kakaphonoi are custom-made to fuck over multi-wound models and Phoenix spears are great to have on any character that can't have a paragon blade.
Really, the only real downsides to EC are their mediocre RoW, Fulgrim's godawful Blade of Laer and the decidedly meh Palatine Blades.
>>43557027
Yes, that's the generalist loadout. Heavy bolters, too. Plasma & Atomantic Pavise is the close support loadout to escort terminators around.
>>43557264
Okay. I guess I was caught up looking at the RoW and the Palatine Blades. The Palatines are such cool looking models I suppose I just wanted them to be better.
Wow the combat resolution and crusader is a good combo. That's what I wasn't seeing. And Eidolon's Thunderous Charge way overshadows his meh Death Scream.
Can you guys give me some feedback on my Ultramarines list?
>Onslaught Detachment 3000 points
>HQ
-Siegebreaker Centurion - 160
3 phospex bombs, Cataphractii armour
-Legion Praetor - 180
pride of the legion, Cataphractii armour, paragon blade, digital weapons, grenade harness
>Troops
Cataphractii terminator squad - 687
10 terminators, 5 powerfists, 2 reaper autocannons
-Spartan Assault Tank
>Elites
-3 x Legion Destroyer Squad - 1200
9 marines plus sarge, melta bombs, 2 missile launchers, 3 phospex bombs, power weapon on sarge
-Rhino
>Heavy Support
-2 x Sicaran Venator with lascannons - 460
-Artillery tank squad - 310
2 x medusas, phosphex shells
>>43557367
>3k points
>not even 40 dudes
>reaper autocannons on a squad in a assault tank
>3 rhinos
>single spartan with a big "please shoot me with melta and graviton" sign above it
I hope you like your army spontaneously imploding on turn 1, anon.
How to handle the Legion upgrades for one box of Betayal at Calth?
Do I upgrade them fully? Or get 15 chests, 20 heads, 30 shoulder pads? How are you guys going to do it?
>>43557367
you didn't even manage to put a decent deathstar in that list
start from scratch: what playstyle besides sucky do you want this list to have?
>>43557458
>>43557553
I wanted to do chemical weapons. I don't know what I was thinking. Sorry.
>>43557548
Forge World just put up a bunch of legion bundles that may be worth a look.
>>43557548
I'll just get 60 WB shoulders, replace each right shoulder and call it a day. That's plenty and doesn't fuck with the Mk.IV's gorgeous design.
>>43557572
>chemical weapons
>Ultramarines
Hmm.
>>43557591
Yeah I looked at them, but I got the Batrayal at Calth for 25% off. I could get three of the 44 pound upgrade sets, which will cost me 132 pounds and I can upgrade fully, or I could go for 15-20-30 (chest-head-pad) and pay about 85 pounds.
Just not sure if it'll mix well?
>>43557367
Well, let's see here. For one, the Siegebreaker is weird. Like, I get that you want phosphex Medusas (we'll deal with that later), but there's no unit worth sticking him in. Also, three phosphex bombs is overkill since you'll get to use one max. You have one giant obvious deathstar that will draw all fire immediately. If you're going to do it, at least stick some armoured ceramite and a flare shield on it. You have way too little anti-tank. Destroyers are expensive as hell and schizophrenic in their roles since you want to use phosphex and rads on infantry, but those melta bombs are more or less all you have against heavy armour. Also, relying on melee anti-tank on a unit in a non-assault transport won't end well for you. And before you mention the Sicarians, those will draw immediate fire. And while phosphex Medusas look cool on paper, they are actually worse against almost everything than a regular old Medusa.
If you want to go Termie spam, pick a Legion that does it really well, and go for more of them. You have so few obvious targets that a counter-strategy is fairly simple. The Termies and Destroyers are useless until they get close, and until then all you have are the Sicarians. If my Solar Auxilia faced this list, you'd probably have to count on losing at least two Rhinos turn one even if you hid behind LoS-blocking terrain (gotta love them quad-mortars), and you simply don't have the firepower to handle a Shadowsword, much less a Shadowsword and several Leman Russ. So you'd maybe get one or two turns blowing up 100 point infantry units (though blast chargers mean they can actually blow up Medusas in return).
>>43553767
Where's the new one? All the previous HH generals that I've seen used that one.
>>43557602
Do you really need the pads at all?
Can't you just use transfers?
>>43557307
Thanks
>>43528219
>tacmarines suck
I'm sorry, what? I can't hear you over my 5 man squads with a lascannon/plasmacannon, plasma gun, and a naked sarge with a melts bomb. I'll just be over here in my las/plas razorback
>>43557659
Don't like how transfers look.
>>43557683
So how will you do tanks and unit markings?
>>43557719
Paint the markings.
Brass for vehicles.
It's not that hard to imagine, anon.
>>43557734
I don't like transfers either hence why I paint freehand over them to get a more "3D" look.
Don't think I could spend that much money on brass and shoulderpads though.
>>43557758
Fair enough, I can understand the money choice. I don't mind spending a little extra myself (as long as I can spare it, which I can atm), so I'm just looking pure at making unique models. That's why I'm looking at mixing them, I like to have my marines be different.
>>43557793
I also like the idea of line troopers having their insignia painted on.
I can understand wanting your army to look a bit more veteran though, sculpted legion icons would fit a more veteran force or an army like the Salamanders or Ultramarines known for their finely crafted armour.
>>43557548
Fully upgraded seems kind of dull to me. It doesn't make the dudes stand out, if you catch my drift. With my Night Lords, I went roughly one out of two-three dudes being "upgraded", with more for Veterans and the like, and Champions having the full range of upgrades. That way you get the feel the guys are issued standard suits of power armour that they upgrade piece by piece as they go along, rather than every single one being a super special snowflake.
The only thing I went all in with was the shoulder pads, because those bare-ass pauldrons just look dull as fuck to me, even with transfers and the like.
>>43557827
>>43557831
Thanks for the insights guys. I think I'll mix it up.
>>43557845
Are you doing Salamanders?
And if so, will you get MkIII armour to get full use of the helmets or will you put MkIII helnets on MkIV armour?
>>43543013
by doing things to allow more control in the psychic phase, since 30k is less lolrandom than 40k
tutelary: on a 3+ negate the effect of perils of the warp and other perils-like effects like the mhara
heqa stave: replaces a power weapon, allows to re-roll a failed test to manifest a power once per player turn.
psychic legion: instead of individually generating powers, they are pooled together and distributed at the player's discretion at the player after all models have been deployed. except for the cool fuckers who pick their powers like Magnus, Ahriman, and so on.
there you go, they're reliable and thus usable
>>43557878
I don't know, seems overly powerful, given that some psychic powers are already more or less I Win buttons.
>>43557971
fw said they're giving thousand sons their own table(s), so IMO I'd remove their access to the bog standard ones.
in fact, 30k could really benefit from tweaked discipline tables. the FW team has done a great job at learning from previous books and improving things, whereas some of those shitty disciplines are just rotting there.
>>43546512
FW have said that 30k is focused exclusively on the Horus Heresy, with only human factions being represented. But it's designed to work just fine against any of the 40k factions, being tuned for higher point games.
>>43557984
I'm still a bit iffy, but no Invisibility and the like would help. Hell, they had to fix Lorgar because he was crazy overpowered with his psyker shenanigans, and limiting the amount of psykers has really done wonders for the balance of the game.
>>43557999
that's why I think HH would benefit from tweaked tables. Keep the concept, just tone down certain things and improve others so that for example rolling Pyro is not mostly a farce.
Working on an AL list. Exodus tingles my tisms in a good way, but how does he perform on the tabletop?
>>43558021
To be honest, he's probably going to have trouble making his points back, or doing something really significant. Most HQs will laugh at his attempts to snipe them thanks to a 2+ armour save and multiple wounds. So that basically leaves singling out heavy/special weapons troopers (which is far less useful in 30k) or sergeants.
Then again, 115 points for a 2/4 heavy bolter with rending on a BS5 model isn't exactly horrible.
>>43558091
Thanks for the input.
Which unit do you think gets the most mileage from Rewards of Treason? I like the idea of Tank Hunter Tyrants, but I haven't read up on all of the special units yet.
>>43558192
Eh, to be honest Rewards of Treason are kind of iffy. Coils of the Hydra either restricts you to a single Mutable Tactic, or forces you to pay a premium for transports, while most of the units you can "steal" work better with their parent Legions.
The best thing to do is look at any gaps you're lacking. Gal Vorbak seem fairly popular due to their relative toughness, independence and in-built Deep Strike.
>>43556665
Utterly fake.
>>43558223
you can chooses infiltrate or DS as part of mutable tactics.the reserve do fuckary can also be fucking nice if you really lean into it,and pick up other reserve manipulation gear
>>43558391
You do lock yourself into Infiltrate (DS is not part of Mutable tactics) if you go that route, meaning you neuter your biggest advantage, flexibility, in favor of being a shittier version of Ravenguard with access to units they probably don't really need or want
>>43558223
>Gal Vorbak seem fairly popular due to their relative toughness, independence and in-built Deep Strike.
Since Gal Vorbak don't have the Legiones Astartes rule, can they be stolen?
>>43557367
Sounds more like IW list
>>43558491
"An Alpha Legion force whose primary detachment is using this Rite of War may select a single legion specific unit normally allowed only to another Space Marine Legion (note this does not include independent characters or unique units) as an Elites choice on their Force Organisation chart. This unit has the equipment and special rules that they would normally, however they have the Legiones Astartes (Alpha Legion) special rule where this is relevant, not the Legiones Astartes special rule of their parent Legion."
Doesn't explicitly state that a legion needs the Legiones Astartes rule to be stolen, just that any unit stolen gains the Alpha Legion variant overriding their parent Legion version if present.
>>43556780
>Emperor's Children most popular
Please don't ruin my special snowflake status
>>43557667
You sure sound so mighty from 10k years in the future. Where tech sucks even more.
>>43558391
The issue is that you're eventually going to run up against a list like Emperor's Children or Sons of Horus, who don't give a fuck about negatives to reserves rolls since they don't roll at all. And since Deep Strike is far more rare in 30k, you're not getting nearly as much use out of it as you would in 40k. And when you're presumably bringing Alpharius and a Damocles, you're investing a lot of points into a strategy that may or may not apply to your opponent.
>>43557667
>Going las/plas over grav
>Sticking melta bombs on a unit that won't get into melee
>Not just spending all those points on better models
What is this, 5th edition?
>>43557264
>Phoenix termis are basically mandatory
Why? The 6" draw-to-win bubble is painfully small and incredibly situational given that you'll usually either win hard (rylanor + fulgrim + phoenix spear sergeants) or lose hard (enemy deathstars).
Other than that they're overcosted and underpowered compared to other legion terminators, and no sweeping advance on TDA fucks EC over more than anyone else.
>>43557548
If you have legion-specific models that fit as unit sergeants: 0 chests, 0 heads, 30 shoulder pads.
If you don't: 10 chests, 10 heads, 30 shoulder pads. Use chests and heads for sergeants, save the rest for future sergeants/characters.
>>43558665
>rylanor + fulgrim
Yeah, about that... How closely have you read the rules?
You're mostly right about Phoenix termies, though. But they are nice for a deathstar of dudes hitting at initiative 6, and give you access to a Spartan as a dedicated transport for Fulgrim shenanigans.
>>43558705
Are you referring to the fact that one is a loyalist and one is a traitor? Those rules only apply to campaign battles afaik. At least my gaming group consider pitched battles to be dream matches of forces in their prime during the great crusade.
>>43558653
>Grav in a tactical squad
Are you joking?
>>43557367
You can only use RoWs with the Age of Darkness detachment, no others
>>43557857
Salamanders, yeah. Going to put some MkIII helmets on the MkIV armour. I don't mind too much as I'm going for after they're shattered, and I can imagine them replacing beaten helmets with older and specialised helmets they have lying around.
>>43557631
Solar Auxilia is cheap as fuck though.
>>43556674
It's not fake, I have it.
>>43559334
naa you dont, seeing as we know its a local store only thing
you lying cunt
