Fatha of the year edition
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>Question of the Day
What is the best instant in each color.
>>43520786
>What is the best instant in each color.
That blue one that costs one blue mana and let's you draw 3 cards.
I asked in the last thread before it was dead.
How should I go about making jenara so that she is cancer? You guys got any lists?
>>43520786
>What is the best instant in each color.
boring list
white: enlightened tutor
blue: mystic tutor
black: vampiric tutor
red: sarkhan's triumph
green: worldly tutor
cool list
white: angel's grace
blue: sunder
black: hatred
red: final fortune
green: berserk
>>43520871
She the Bant Angle who can get +1/+1 counters?
If so, all the normal bant ramp, some exalted shit, good enchantments too.
Any frenchfags around? Will Meren have what it takes to be a competitive commander if she's back up by elfball?
>>43521052
>Red: Sarkhan's Triumph
>Not Gamble
Man get it together.
>>43521087
Nah, Ezuri will be the elfball legend of this set.
>>43521087
Not a chance. The commander abilities on Old Ezuri are too relevant and the abilities on Meren aren't quick enough to be relevant in Elf Ball.
>>43521101
>>43521052
>anything but lighting bolt
Cmon guys, lighting bolt is a fucking format defining card
>>43521101
that was my first thought
but gamble is a pig disgusting sorcery
>>43521118
>Old Ezuri
>french elfball
Yeah, its a deck and all but its no where near the best elfball list in the format, its not even the best mono green elfball legend.
>>43521125
Oh yeah for sure. I'm just going off his tutor theme.
>>43521118
>>43521116
What about a midrange/disruption deck? I really want to play her as commander in french.
>>43520786
>What is the best instant in each color.
For commander I assume?
>Cyclonic rift/cryptic command
>Enlightened tutor/rout (it totally counts)
>Chord of calling
>vampiric tutor
>wild ricochet
>>43521137
Really? Wow. Actually looking at MTG top 8 it seems Yissan is top spot.
Tho I don't really see why.
I feel like Yissan is too easy to just outright stop by the virtue of kill spells.
What do you guys think of my Oona deck?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-11-15-oona-queen-of-the-mill/
>>43521188
Same with Ezuri, he dies super easy to removal too.
Yisan lets you start chains of wirewood symbiote --> Priest of titania ----> elvish archdruid.
Yisan is a super good commander, very underrared in both formats.
>>43521243
I get what you're saying, I've built Yisan myself, but I feel as someone who's played him, that he's easily countered, and his ability is less relevant then Ezuri's off a death.
But then again, my french decks run ass loads of kill spells and burn spells like Pyroclasm which just ruins elves anyway.
>>43521243
You have Everflowing and Rings, where's the Monolith?
>>43521302
The fuck?
>>43521316
Don't know how I clicked on you, meant to click on the Oona list.
>>43521292
>the "removal makes a general bad" post
Can't go a thread without this stuff.
Ezuri and Yisa both suffer from different problems, Ezuri is good at killing people while Yisan is much better at finding pieces and rebuilding from sweepers.
Neither can protect themselves and Ezuri's regen ability only works against the damage based sweepers in french, it does nothing against the more powerful sweepers.
>>43521349
I never said removal makes him bad.
Just that in my opinion it makes him worse then Ezuri.
It's clear by MTG top 8 that my opinion is a minority. But that's fine, after my Yissan deck I don't plan on building another Elfball deck.
>>43521213
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-11-15-oona-queen-of-the-mill/
No Oblivion Sower? For shame.
>>43520786
STP
Force of will
Dark ritual
StArstorm
Beast within
>>43521082
Privileged Position, Bear Umbra, Qasali Pridemage Dueling Grounds, Silent Arbiter, Spirit Mantle
>>43521125
>format defining card
Not in EDH.
>>43521487
>Starstorm
>>43520786
Okay, say I ad nauseum and Phyrexian unlife for nearly every card in my deck. I play white black. What would be some win conditions? I'm thinking maybe zombie infestation maybe, then elixer of immortality maybe
>>43521692
Sickening dreams + dark sphere
Skirge familiar + exsanguinate
I want to build Elephant Tribal G/W, which commander do I go for, since we still lack any legendary elephants? Been thinking about either Kalametra or Krond.
>>43521746
Krond is a greedy bitch, he just wants auras. Go for Karametra.
I'm building Feldon. What sort of female red cards should I run so Feldon can try to be less sad?
>>43521746
Krond is just
>why can't I hold all these auras?
Go with Karametra.
>>43521780
Lovisa Coldeyes, Flip Chandra if you can flip her.Bronze Bombshell
Post your go-to commander.
>>43522182
Gibsmedem auras
>>43521692
Mirror universe.
Look up the Selenia combo decks, they do basically the same thing.
>>43522182
>>43522182
I wanna be like mike.
>>43522182
I love the tempo game
>>43522182
>>43522182
My favourite deck I own, people fucking hate it though because "muh not letting do busted things" attitude.
>brew grindy meren goodstuff deck all day
>it actually seems to work, kinda
>realize it's just a weaker tasigur/sidsi goodstuff
>>43522182
I wish RW didn't have such a hard time.
>>43522326
Otherwise when I don't feel like being a douche.
I love pounding the combo player's face in consistently on turn 3-4.
>>43522182
There is nothing he can't do.
>>43522508
Except make his own decisions.
>>43522572
Not him but you can mindslaver lock people with him for hilarity
>>43522182
Best commander, AND waifu
>>43522182
>>43522182
,
>>43521780
Diaochan is fun.
>>43522182
I'm a filthy casual and she's probably my best deck. I call her atarka, the one shot wonder.
>>43522495
How does Skittles run as a commander? I've been tempted to try him, but there doesn't' seem to be that many pump spells to 1 shot people with infect
>>43521052
>Draconic Tutor
Mah Broodmate.
>>43520786
>The windows are eyes
>Karlov the nose
>The Orzhov subjugates the mouth
:-)
>>43522662
She works well in her own dedicated deck. Run no other creatures and give her shroud and they can't do much
>>43522678
Grafted Wargear and Hero's Blade will equip to him for free and make him a 10/8, so that's your go-to combo. Lashwrithe and Nightmare Lash should easily be able to give him +6/+6 and both equip for free.
The trick is just to get him out fast and punch the biggest threat on the board in the face.
>>43522445
RW doesn't have it that bad, it can punch things, or sometimes it can punch things twice.
>>43522678
nigga wat
for a while a guy at our shop used skittles. he just didn't play him until he had one of the following ready so he could KO somebody the turn skittles came down
>hatred
>lashwrithe
>nightmare lash
>liliana of the dark realms
>soulshriek
>nighthowler
and probably a few others I can't remember.
>>43522699
Cannot unsee
>>43522768
Meh, I've got Shu Yun for double fisting.I wanted a RW blinker but nah I just got another couple of dumb beater thanks wizards.
>>43522508
best french commander desu
>>43522699
deepest lore
>>43522699
>The jew is the nose
Oh. My. God.
WOO WAS RIGHT!
>>43522699
I really hope the artist did that on purpose
>>43523002
Woo knew?
first turn enlightened tutor, monowhite, do I search for land tax or sol ring?
>>43523190
Travis Woo read Mine Kampf and so got fired from, what was it? ChannelFireball, or SCG?
>>43523190
Travis knew! That's Woo!
>>43523234
ChannelFireball is how the story goes but I don't actually know what that is. However it went over your head.
>>43523243
Got it.
>>43523233
>first turn enlightened tutor
no
>>43523233
top or sol ring or crypt
>>43523233
Depends on who you're playing and how your hand looks.
Most people won't blow up a turn 2 Sol Ring but a Land Tax is as good as gone.
>>43522624
Swap that art for the art on envoy of ghosts and the card would be 10/10
>>43523002
>magic is now full of the same toxic shit that is killing video games
I look forward to all the women becoming indestructable bastions of good while all the guys are either evil or retarded.
I think we have like 3 caucasian planeswalkers at this point and 3 of them are/were bad guys or "dead".
>>43523623
Yeah and only two are dragons.
Fuck the dragons amiright.
We have Espeth, Jace, Garuk, Sorin, Giddion, Chandra, and Tezzeret as far as I'm aware.
That's plenty.
The last set of magic was about a white guy going to a world he doesn't belong in and fighting all their battles for them.
>>43523685
This a retarded fucking topic but, Gideon isn't white, not anymore. Who knows about Sorin, but probably since Innistrad is mostly whiteand one asian dork.
>>43523685
>The last set of magic was about a guy going to a world he doesn't belong in and fighting all their battles for them
That is literally the point of Planeswalker, they are all people who "doesn't belong" given the power to find a place where they do, the entirety of Origin was about showing you where they were born and where they found a place to call home.
You just added "white guy" in there as if it somehow makes it a bad thing.
>>43523685
>Gideon
>Chandra
>Tezzeret
>white
Gideon is a hairy Greek, Chandra is a poo in loo and Tezzeret is a black man (the dreads and the flat nose didn't tip you off?)
Sorin's a fucking vampire, how does that count as caucasian you spastic?
We've got:
>Jace
>Liliana (lol bad guy)
>Garruk (got outsmarted by a woman multiple times, became evil and is now MIA)
>Elspeth (dead)
But hey, we do have Dack Fayden (a thief) and Ral Zareck (a murderer) and they're both white too!
>>43523759
Sorin created the plane of Innistrad, he isn't a native of it.
>>43523813
>Sorin created the plane of Innistrad, he isn't a native of it.
I'm out on this discussion, how about them Elder Dragon Highlander discussion.
>>43523857
Sorin is most likely a Zendikar native
>>43523857
It's true though, Sarkhan also created Tarkir and Ugin created the eldrazi!
Also the moon is a shrew.
>>43523813
>Sorin created the plane of Innistrad, he isn't a native of it.
>>43523813
>Greek people aren't white
>Dreads means his white skin isn't white
>Chanda in any way not white
>Sorin isn't a native to the plane he was born on
Fucking retard.
Elspeth is dead less then Ugin was dead. She's fine.
Now that we're on the topic of Sorin, can we talk about how big a dick head he is?
>Help imprison the eldrazi on Zendikar, basically leaving the plane to be fucked over in the future
>Makes a pact with Nahiri and Ugin to return if the spell is undone
>never comes back
>too busy wandering around Tarkir like a tourist
>Too busy looking for his living waifu pillow and fighting a man who looks like Skrillex
>still hasn't even dropped a message by Ugin saying he isn't coming to the planar devouring party.
I bet Innistrad is fucked up because of him plebbing around on Tarkir like a jackass.
>>43523759
I think there are a few non white people on innistrad, but most of them are in the art of one werewolf card
>>43524064
Are you retarded?
Ugin, Naheri, and Sorin were all supposed to go back to Zendikar and Sorin was the only one who made it there.
Hens him being in the last Zendikar set.
It was Ugins Idea to use Zendikar because it was filled with wild mana, he just told Sorin to use his powers to lure them.
He went to Tarkir to find Ugin because he needs Ugin to fix Zendikar.
>>43524037
SJW tumbltard shill detected. Go back to tumblr.
>>43524064
He's not really that heroic. He's didn't help imprison the Eldrazi because he wanted to save people, he did it because they were potentially going to destroy the Multiverse, which would be inconvenient for him as he lives there.
>>43523813
Sorin's grandfather made the elixir that turned everyone into vampires you dingus. The Tezzeret thing is dicy though; he was drawn originally as an old man, but wotc asked Francisco to make him younger so he ended up looking mixed race, which I'm not sure if that was his intention, his art agent of bolas art made him look really Caucasian and his art in the web comics makes him white so he might white afterall. (Personally I thought it was cool when he was a half black youth from the ghetto, being from the crest made him relatable).
>>43524037
>Chandra is white
Yeah, those brown skinned parents of hers are all an illusion, also her name being of the Indian variery has nothing to do with anything.
>Greeks are white
Hahahahahaha
>Tezzeret is white
No, he's pretty pale these days because of Bolas putting him back together again, but look at his seeker art from Shards, dude is black and there is fuck all wrong with him being a black guy.
>fucking retard
>less then
>>43524037
>people complain that Theros isn't an accurate portrayal of Greek mythology because of the darker skinned people
>nobody mentions the tribe of cat people
>>43524115
>goes to Tarkir
>does nothing
>Sarkhan sorts it all out for him
>goes home and hugs his avacyn body pillow
Sorin might be the worst planeswalker ever and he's supposed to be the second oldest living walker?
Would you guys mind taking a look at my new deck? Looking for some tips but don't want to spend too much more then i already have.
>>43524163
He's mostly robot anyway now. Robots aren't white.
>>43524225
oops forgot link http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/thefollower457s-zombie-edh/
>>43524175
>Bolas putting him back together again
You know his body was fine right? Just his mind was fucked.
>>43524216
He got there after Sarkan with the Eye got there. Time was changed before he could do anything.
He's actually one of the strongest walkers still alive. And his long term planning is only beaten by Nicol and mabey ugin.
>>43524203
Magic allows cat-folk to liveand secretly we're all furrysbut doesn't allow minorities
>>43524261
It don't matta. Nona dis mattas.
>>43524175
>Giddion and Chandra aren't white
>They just look white!
>>43524163
I still think Tezzeret is "black", but he's been fixed by Bolas magic after
>Abusive parents
>Mother was a whore
>prone to anger
Yep, sounds like a guy who grew up in the ghetto to me.
>>43524261
>just his mind was fucked
>"Bolas kept Tezzeret, or at least his mangled and mindless body in his keep in the Meditation Plane."
Yep, sounds fine to me.
>>43524345
His body was fine.
Have you read the books?
>>43524382
>his body was fine
>missing arms now counts as "fine".
I just directly quoted from Tezz's backstory you pleb.
>>43524400
>Doesn't even know about Etherium people
>Hasn't read the books
>Thinks he knows the back story
Holy fuck man, don't even bother if you won't put the work in.
>>43524439
>mangled body
>having an arm that stores your power cut off is "fine"
I guess you would consider lacking parts of the body as "fine", seeing as you've survived this long without a brain.
>Holy fuck man, don't even bother if you won't put the work in.
*tips planewalker spark*
>>43524484
>lacking parts of the body as "fine"
I thought this was bait at first, but I guess you really don't know about Etherium people.
Read the book, it's one of the better ones.
>>43524518
>having arms made out of metal means when you get your ass kicked and have it cut off you're fine
Holy shit, you're really this retarded aren't you?
Better tell landmine victims to suck it up, they're fine! They've got robo legs now!
>>43524542
>>43524542
But he is fine. His body was and is fine. It actually is one of the perks of being made out of a metal you can shape with your mind.
>>43524587
Ebin intellectual post, fucking hang yourself you lazy sack of shit.
>I can't refute things
>le fishy hook meme
No wonder /tg/ is so shit, it full of children playing with plastic men lmao.
Guys this is edh general. Flavor general is over here >>43500995
>>43522661
Dawwwwwww
>>43524621
Not even the dude you were arguing with, champ. You're ignorance to read anything beyond a paragraph blurb of a character and then thinking you're absolutely right is astounding. 10/10 /tg/ browser.
Daily reminder that these people are in charge of the format
>>43524890
Even after seeing this three times now, it still kinda irks me.black mana was a good boy, he dindu nuffin
>>43524890
>(Only as Commander)
>Extra bureaucracy
RC GET FUCKED
REEEEEEEEEEE
So I've been playing at semi-casual fnms at my shop, and I always end up getting 3:1'ed. I wanna build a wydwen control deck to crush these assholes here. Got any suggestions.
Now that those 2 are done jerking each other off over lore can anyone give me any pointers on my new deck? Any major things i missed? http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/07-11-15-zombies-zombies-zombies/
>>43525196
Oona + Tunnel Vision desu
>>43525305
I dont see how those 2 combo at all
>>43525367
Oona doesnt do what I thought she did. Hinder and other bottom of deck effects, plus Tunnel Vision.
>>43522182
>>43525196
man, I've been dying to make a tempo-control deck with her. This seems such in flavor for a fae, dashing in and out of the battlefield chipping down opponents.
Funny how my favorite card from BFZ is a common. This is so good in monoblack and monoblue
>>43524175
>Tezzeret is black
so everyone who has dreadlocks is automatically black now?
>>43525520
Yes stop being racist you shitlord
>>43525576
Reminder that ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
>>43525520
Of course, Anon.
>>43525250
Just a few suggestions:
>Omniscience
>Urborg/Zombie Trailblazer to combo with Zombie Master
>Nykthos
>Massacre Wurm
>Reaper from the Abyss
>Harvester of Souls
>Overseer of the Damned
>I've found the BB to sometimes be restrictive with Victim of Night and usually run Go for the Throat instead in multicolored
>Couple boardwipes are almost necessary
>Same for counterspells
>Necropotence is always worth it
>same with Phyrexian Arena
>Grave Pact is amazing
>Couple single target reanimate effects go a long way
>Phyrexian Altar is worth the money and is practically an auto include
>Ashnod's Altar is also amazing
>Cruel Revival is meh, played it for a while and it was too much mana to leave up for a kill spell
>Vile Rebirth is likely to never have enough of an impact unless targeted graveyard exile is important for you
>Door of Destinies is kind of meh as well, though I ran less zombie spells than you
>Grave Betrayal is usually either destroyed or people durdle until it is because they don't want you to get their shit, only worth it if you can immediately wrath after
>Quest for the Gravelord is also pretty underwhelming
>I found that I never really used Geth's ability, but maybe you will
>As above for Havengul Lich
>Ghoulraiser is ok
>Havengul Runebinder is anti-synergy with Mikaeus, but you could run Retribution of the Ancients to fix that
>Lich Lord of Unx is fun but the other lords are better
>Liliana's Reaver is also fun but rarely connects for his effect
>As above for Raving Dead
>Lim Dul is fun but, again, his reanimate ability is an uncommon thing to have work in my experience
>Reassembling Skeleton can allow for some shenanigans but (him, Mikaeus, and Phyrexian Altar allow for infinite death triggers) but isn't a zombie and won't benefit from any lord other than Death Baron
>Returned Phalanx is mana effective but underwhelming otherwise
>Undead Alchemist is fun but not competitive
>>43525616
Thanks for all the pointers, i will definitely add some of those to the list of cards to aquire
>>43521087
Nope.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/karadordek/
How does my main deck look? I avoided some overly powerful cards to be mindful of the meta I play in, it's no fun if I just destroy everyone and I easily have the deepest pockets of the group.
>>43526687
>see link
>Karador
>Impossible to fuck up
Have fun
>>43526687
Looks pretty good to me, the only thing I would add is another tutor or two, Mikaeus, and a Grave Pact/equivalent, maybe Splinterfright if you didn't already consider him.
I have a soft spot for Feed the Pack and Death's Presence but it can be hard to find a place for those in a tri color deck.
>>43522661
Too bad Sad Robot is a terrible card.
This alter is great.
>>43522182
The Simic Visionary, because I like staples.
>>43526941
Are you really saying this in EDH general?
>>43526851
Awesome tips, thank you. I wasn't even aware Splinterfright existed, he's hot shit.
>>43526964
Yes. It's bad to spend 4 mana to ramp by one in all the colors, especially when you can't use that mana the same turn. you're better off just using artifact mana.
There isn't a deck where I would play sad robot. Except Feldon, because then he isn't basically a million mana, and i get both of his effects.
>>43526289
I already built the deck and tested it out on cockatrice. It's a goodstuff type deck with lots of mana dorks, black etb creatures and green and black staples. I've won a couple of games even though it's just a rough draft without any fine tuning. I doubt it'll be a deck to beat, but I won't be surprised if I see her in a top 8.
>>43522182
More like No-win
>>43527074
There are a lot more decks than Feldon that can recur Sadbot easily, and plenty that are arguably much better at it. Also, it doesn't just ramp for one, it provides a chump block and replaces itself when it dies. Sadbot is good in EDH, I'll agree that it's bad in a deck that just plans to cast him once and be done with it but the moment you have some recursion engines or sacrifice synergies going on, he becomes entirely worth the slot in the 99.
>>43521052
can i use angels grace to not louse to final fortune?
>>43527188
Yes
>>43527152
I guess it's also ok in Marchesa. But i really can't think of any more generals, and he would certainly be the first card on the chopping block.
Providing a chump block doesn't really make it worth anything more to me, but if you actually have a powerful recursion engine, then i guess he is just mediocre. I'd rather recur something that forwards my game plan.
>>43521867
I think you meanBronzene Sexbombe
Has it be confirmed we'll be getting all ten battlelands or will it be like Khans and only have ally color ones?
>>43522182
>no one posted angel of 21EZcommander damage.
>>43526941
>Too bad Sad Robot is a terrible card.
Hey guys, so I recently acquired a Vela the Nightclad and I'm intending to build this deck right here:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vela-slips-through/
Considering all the recent new additions, is there anything new that should be added to it/shit that should be taken out? The confluences are nice but i think only the blue one is worthwile for this deck.
>>43527074
Sad robot is not just a ramp spell, he's a value creature. If his body is relevant at all he's somewhere between 2-for-1 and 3-for-1, which is awesome for colors that have a hard time with card advantage. I would always run him in W, R or WR decks and often in other nongreen decks too.
Sad robot vs. generic mana rocks isn't really a relevant comparison in any way.
>>43527417
How could anybody call it a bad card. It's probably someone who's butthurt because it's considered a "staple"
>>43523813
Sorin isn't white even if he was a vampire. He IS from Transylplanesia, the Eastern Europe plane.
>>43527413
>people letting you attack with Aurelia
>people letting you even resolve Aurelia
>Boros is able to do anything at the table
Complete shit meta confirmed.
>>43527565
not having mana tithe backup or more importantly a fucking caven of souls
also having a fuckton of protection spells is exactly how she kills you in one hit
Is it possible to make a seriously competitive Nekusar The Mindrazer deck or will I regularly get BTFO by Tier 1 decks?
>>43527749
BTFO'd
>>43527299
Recurring sadbot gives you resource advantage on two fronts. Cards in hand, lands in play. If you've got something that benefits from saccing creatures even better. And providing chump blocks is relevant, you're at least forcing your opponents' ground threats to have trample. I think you're vastly underestimating the card.
Is my Oloro deck boring?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-07-15-eternal-bargain-pervesion/
I can't believe there's anybody out there who would call Sad Robot bad.
I've run it even in green decks because it's one of the most value creatures out there. Reanimate, blink, even something as simple as chumpblocking, the card is fucking amazing.
>>43521181
Cyclonic Rift is consistently the worst card in my Momir Vig deck. It's miserable to draw, and doesn't give me much advantage when i do use it unless i'm playing against people who don't know any better then to overextend.
Why is it the best instant in commander? Because people who can't play get BTFO by sweepers?
>>43527749
if you play tax collector and resource denial nekusar instead of group draw, and win by chaining wheels with infect or something nekusar can be pretty brutal. don't really know how it holds up to T1 decks tho
>>43527892
Have you tried using it to clear the way and win that turn? Have you tried recurring it to Cyclonic Rift pretty much every turn? Are you baiting?
>>43527876
In his defense, Sadbot isn't an autoinclude unless you have ways to abuse it. It will be good at face value in a lot of decks, it will obviously always play nice with things like Welder, Pod, Feldon/Daretti, but in something like a Zurgo or Aurelia aggro list? You have better things to do than cast Sadbot.
That said, in the decks that can use it properly, it's an all around good card. Not stellar, not oh-my-god-best-creature-in-the-format, just consistently good, with a satisfying floor and a very high ceiling.
>>43527990
He's baiting for sure
>>43528010
uh sad robot is mvp in my zurgo list. land ramp and a body to throw a sword on if it's not safe to cast zurgo. and I couldn't give less of a fuck about losing him to my own wraths
>>43527591
>Killing one player is as relevant as killing 3
>Muh protection spells
>Stax player hasn't just locked you out
>Combo/Control or Aggro/Control player hasn't already got the game in the bag
>GB/x reanimator hasn't just won already
Again, the fact that you think Cavern + "muh protection spells" is decent means your meta is objectively shit.
>>43528022
Maybe he doesn't know it's an instant. We've seen dumber posts.
>>43528039
I really don't like it in aggro list unless you have good sources of recursion, but good point about the swords. I've just been less than amazed by it. I want my 4-drops to help me go wide (eg. Hero of Bladehold), have haste and/or be evasive. Then again, my experience stems from trying Sadbot in Aurelia, which isn't the same deck as Zurgo.
>>43528072
He asks why its the best instance in his post
>>43528049
Not the guy you're responding to, but I play Aurelia as well. And you're sort of right, but also sort of wrong. It's true that it can be very hard to win through Commander damage with Aurelia, it's not a strategy I particularly favor. But what she does help you do is sit in the command zone while you play a WR aggro/midrange game, and gives you the tools to turn a decent board into a one-turn kill if shields ever go down. People thinking they're safe from a kill and tapping down too low, letting you cast Aurelia then Final Fortune followed by Insurrection during your extra turn, is pretty brutal.
On her own though, she does get brickwalled too easily, she's better used as a finisher than as a main means of attack in my experience. It's not a great deck, but it's a playable one, and you can kill tables surprisingly fast if they don't respect the threat Aurelia represents.
>>43528072
well my usual group is literally three UGx lists, rafiq, rubinia, and mimeoplasm. I've learned to stop wasting my turns tapping out to cast zurgo ASAP because they will undoubtedly answer him next turn if he even resolves. I usually play it easy and wait for the opportunity to cast zurgo with pyroblast protection and slap some swords and psychotic fury on him to swing for a kill. or just make land drops and tutor up obliterate + boros charm to try and steal the win late game.
>>43528151
I hear you, in a UGx-heavy meta, aggro decks often have to lean more towards the midrange end of things. Can't go all-in and strap equipment to your commander and hope that will work.
>>43528262
Stupid question, what do you have to do to lockdown a commander?
Would Indestructibility and Hexproof suffice, or are there ways around that?
>>43528262
>in a EDH meta, aggro decks often don't exist
FTFY
>>43528320
indestructible + hexproof means they still die to sacrifice effects like grave pact or all is dust.
really there is no way to make a commander 100% invulnerable as long as shit like final judgment and cyclonic rift exist
>>43528320
There are edict effects and -1/-1 sweepers.
Those are limited to black decks though.
>>43528361
The main liability of aggro decks is they can't play 1v3. Whereas combo decks, stax decks and UGx decks can, to an extent.
Aggro decks can play just fine in a 1v1v1v1 scenario however, where everyone's taking shots at other players. It's just that there will be some game configurations that will be almost unwinnable for aggro if everyone's playing uninteractive midrange/combo decks.
I hope everyone realizes Karlov will be a new Tier 1 deck in French EDH.
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>>43528320
Unless your commander has excellent built-in protection like Uril or Sigarda; or unless you're playing blue, it's kind of hard to properly protect a commander. Having haste and a Grand Abolisher in play is often the best protection you can hope for.
>>43528424
don't reply to him seriously, he's some autist that always shows up insisting aggro decks don't exist in EDH because the autismo textbook definition of "aggro" you read on the MTGS wiki is popping out cheap red creatures and swinging every turn with no alternative game plan.
he's fucking retarded.
>>43528429
I think he is the legacy card from this commander edition
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>>43528384
Isn't there a card that keeps you from saccing? And would protection from blue and black mitigate that?
At this point it's no longer viable, but theoretically can it be done?
>cyclonic rift
Ah, damn that ruins it right there doesn't it. Also, arcane lighthouse.
>>43528453
Maybe he plays in a meta that's very hostile to aggro. Maybe he mistakenly believes that is the only valid measure of a good meta.
Best metas are varied, if everyone's goldfishing to a turn 3 win with no interaction, aggro will be unplayable and your meta will also be shit.
>>43528498
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>>43528505
well there's sigarda who prevents you from being made to sacrifice things, and she also has hexproof. give her indestructible and she's pretty tough, but still dies to final judgment/merciless eviction
>>43528449
I don't know, I think an attacking 6/6 or better turn 3 almost every single game that will only continue to grow and has removal stapled on it is pretty good.
>>43528505
>Isn't there a card that keeps you from saccing
There are 2 that i can recall, Sigarda and Tajuru Preserver
>>43528529
>shitposting
Says the guy that thinks a 2 mana creature (in two separate colours) that doesn't do anything when it is cast and requires other cards to be good, will see play in legacy.
Like tg is bad. But that's bad for tg.
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>>43528562
The card won't make soul sisters a thing in legacy
>>43528606
i don't even really like karlov, I just think you're a shitposter anon-kun
>>43528606
>The card won't make soul sisters a thing in legacy
Wrong reply chain buddy.
>>43528429
I think he is powerful, but tier 1 for French seems unlikely. since that format is so removal heavy.
>>43528606
Get a tripcode so I can filter you
>>43528653
Woops, meant in French too.
>>43528693
>he has an opinion that is different than mine so I want to have him filtered and removed from my little safeplace
>>>/tumble/
>>43524621
Maybe by "mangled", it meant in comparison to a normal human, since he's really just a torso and a head attached to a robot body at this point.
>>43528719
You've done nothing but shitpost. I have better things to do than read your garbage
>>43528684
There are several ways to dodge removal. In my goldfishing experience, the deck is lightning fucking fast, even fucking Lightning Bolt can't deal with him unless you have it up at the perfect time.
>>43528695
It won't be your normal soul sisters deck, but yes, it will 100% be a thing.
>>43528801
I'm pointing out that you're wrong about karlov breaking into legacy or French as the all round tier 1 deck. It's no true-name nemesis
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>>43528810
So...what lifesaving cards are legacy playable to break him?
>>43528873
>legacy playable
That's still not what I'm talking about. Remember what thread this is?
>>43528932
French and legacy are nearly the same power level. How can karlov work in the deck? Like how many ways can this deck gain life/how fast can he grow? Skullbrair in French can kill turn 3/4 fairly easily because there's so many pump spells available in those colours and the counters on Skullbrair don't fall off when he does die.
>>43528932
Why don't you post a good Karlov deck list then you piece of shit.
>>43528123
>It's true that it can be very hard to win through Commander damage with Aurelia
I responded to a post boasting "21EZcommander damage". Moreover, Aurelia is by no means close to the best voltron general, and never a stax general, which are typically the situations you would encounter winning a table with commander damage.
>she's better used as a finisher than as a main means of attack in my experience
RW is also objectively worse at aggro compared to G/x/y.
>It's not a great deck, but it's a playable one
Sure, but playable is not the same as "21EZcommander damage."
As the power level of a meta rises, so does its tendency towards combo and stax, which means there is less place for traditional aggro.
In my meta the only decks I would ascribe "aggro" to are a trio of derpy Kaalia decks, Jenara voltron, Rafiq infect/voltron, Mayael toolkit, all of which struggle. I mean, sure, everyone has "win with beating" as a backup wincon, especially the BG/x and UG/x archetypes. If you sit down at one of our tables, you're likely to be sitting across from something that looks like Teferi stax / Mimeo combo / Zur Doomsday, or Damia / Edric / Prossh Food Chain. Bring an RW voltron or aggro deck and you're likely to have a very, very bad day.
>>43529004
>you piece of shit.
>>43529058
Either post a list or stop posting you piece of shiut
>>43527759
Well shit. What are the current top 5 generals then if I wanna WAAC?
Like I'm talking omega faggot tier here.
>>43529058
Ok, you fucking faggot, why don't you post a good Karlove list.
>>43529058
>shill shilling karlov can't back up his shill claims
Yup, karlov is gonna break French open. A format people barely play
>>43528801
>thinks karlov is good enough for legacy
>thinks he knows what garbage is
>>43529135
>A format people barely play
well obviously.
It is played by frogs mostly
>>43529268
I can't tell if this is Ainsley or Piccolo.
>>43528999
>Like how many ways can this deck gain life/how fast can he grow?
Enough that you will regularly have a 6/6 or 8/8 attacking on turn 3 and 10/10+ attacking on turn 4.
Faith's Reward and Second Sunrise are in the deck to reset after a removal. Sure, the counters don't stick, but if you had any version of a Soul Warden on the field, you'll get enough of them back anyway, and even if you didn't growing them back is quick enough. Other than that, both Greaves and Boots should be in there. And at the very worst, you'll probably have built up 6 counters anyway and you're keeping two mana untapped which makes his removal a 2-for-1.
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>>43529106
I'm sorry, I was under the impression this thread was meant for discussions. Clearly you guys just want to fag around.
>>43528429
Show me your decklist. Karlov isn't jank, but there are other commanders that do what he does better and more consistently. I expect he won't get played at all in french after people are done testing him out.
>>43524890
>Extra bureaucracy
how fucking lazy are these morons
>>43529355
>but there are other commanders that do what he does better and more consistently
I dare say none grows as fast as him AND have removal baked in.
>>43529103
Then your general is irrelevant, run 5 colors.
>>43529304
>I'm sorry, I was under the impression this thread was meant for discussions. Clearly you guys just want to fag around.
Didn't you say you wanted to filter >>43528693?
>>43529304
>Faith's Reward and Second Sunrise are in the deck to reset after a removal.
Too expensive for faith's reward and second sunrise is 1 mana less than just recasting your commander. If you said orzhov charm than I might have believed you.
>Sure, the counters don't stick, but if you had any version of a Soul Warden on the field, you'll get enough of them back anyway
by casting more creatures
>and even if you didn't growing them back is quick enough.
Not against goodstuff abzan or marath, or dealing with the stupid consistency of wydwen.
>Other than that, both Greaves and Boots should be in there
So you have ABOUT 1/50 chance of a hexproof commander? Plus they you taking turn 2 to cast them, which sets you back a turn to cast your commander.
>I dare say none grows as fast as him AND have removal baked in.
Skullbriar grows faster (however you are right that no aggro commanders reset their aggroness (and thus your gameplan) to removal one creature in a removal heavy colour) He also doesnt need removal included because he's faster than what people can build up to block with
>>43529404
>I dare say none grows as fast as him AND have removal baked in.
Skullbriar, Marath
Seriously, name a single thing he does well and I will name a commander that does it better. Disruption aggro? Anafanza. Growing fast? Animar. Bx Control? Traximundar, Tasigur.
>>43527548
So wait are you saying eastern europe isn't white? Because I'm pretty white and my whole family is from east urop
>>43529290
I want to say it' supposed to be Aphex Twin
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>>43529467
riggidy rekkt
I think you're both dumb as fuck. We'll find out if hes really good or not when he comes out. Not before while you both spurge at each other.
>>43529467
>Too expensive for faith's reward and second sunrise is 1 mana less than just recasting your commander.
Except you'll get back your entire field when faced with mass removal, which is why you run them. Come turn 3-4, you can basically just keep slapping Karlov sideways, still see him grow much of the time, and you'll win sooner rather than later. Keeping mana up to dodge mass removal is probably the best thing you could be doing at this time.
>Orzhov Charm
It doesn't have a single relevant mode, what the fuck are you talking about?
>by casting more creatures
Not only, there are a bit of removal that gives you life, which buffs Karlov.
>Not against goodstuff abzan or marath, or dealing with the stupid consistency of wydwen.
Karlov will probably outrace all of them, and become big enough that he won't die in any trades bar deathtouch.
>So you have ABOUT 1/50 chance of a hexproof commander? Plus they you taking turn 2 to cast them,
Greaves/Boots is more intended for protecting him the second time you cast him.
>>43529516
>Marath
While obviously fucking good, Marath is still "just" a 3/3 for 3. Karlov will almost always be AT LEAST a 4/4 for 2 when it comes time to attack, most often even bigger.
>Skullbriar
None of the Skullbriar lists I find work anywhere near like what any of you suggest. They run exactly zero "buff" spells like someone suggested, exactly zero things that put counters on him except for himself. For reference:
http://www.mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=315&meta=99&f=EDH
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/forum-1-vs-1-commander-decklists/205882-french-skullbriar
I'm sure he's good, but growing by +1/+1 each time you hit face is a lot slower than growing by +2/+2 each time you gain life, which can, and will, trigger multiple times each turn.
>>43529781
>Except you'll get back your entire field when faced with mass removal, which is why you run them. Come turn 3-4, you can basically just keep slapping Karlov sideways, still see him grow much of the time, and you'll win sooner rather than later. Keeping mana up to dodge mass removal is probably the best thing you could be doing at this time.
Except you cant grow karlov in that time because you need to hold up 3-4 fucking mana for your anti-wrath card
>It doesn't have a single relevant mode, what the fuck are you talking about?
It reanimates your soul sisters.
The thing that makes your deck function.
It kills your opponents shit so your karlov can hit them for more than 2.
Are you daft?
>Karlov will probably outrace all of them, and become big enough that he won't die in any trades bar deathtouch.
Christmas land, they'll kill karlov because you arent doing anything because you need to hold up mana for your faith's reward. Also both of those decks have more than enough ways to just kill your commander into uselessness
>Karlov will probably outrace all of them, and become big enough that he won't die in any trades bar deathtouch.
Oh, that makes sense, cause he'll just die a lot.
>Karlov will almost always be AT LEAST a 4/4 for 2 when it comes time to attack, most often even bigger.
Cause there's so many ways to protect him that also incidentally gain you life right?....R-right???
>>43527442
I believe you should focus more on creatures that do things when they ETB/die/leave the field and methods to blink them than when they deal damage to a player, imo. Deadeye Navigator, Aetherling, Ninjutsu stuff are all good examples for what you want to be doing. Get a Solemn Simulacrum there and a Palinchron (Palinchron combos with Navigator really easily for infinite mana). I don't have much experience building decks, but that's how I'd start around. Alternatively, get a load of sac effects, but with blue it's maybe easier to just blink shit.
>>43529939
>Except you cant grow karlov in that time because you need to hold up 3-4 fucking mana for your anti-wrath card
Soul sister cards + Brimaz still works, lifelinkers like Vault Skirge still works, cards like Soulmender still works... should I go on?
>It reanimates your soul sisters.
So does the anti-wrath cards. If they SPECIFICALLY only kill the soul sisters, then they're welcome to waste their time, because I already have things going by then. It's also relatively inefficient as removal. There are plenty of things I'd rather run over it.
>Christmas land
It really isn't.
>Cause there's so many ways to protect him that also incidentally gain you life right?....R-right???
This is a problem that loads of deck already face. It's not like decks will always have an efficient removal in hand in the first three turns.
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>>43530111
I would if I thought there was any point and you guys would be anything but fucking bitches about it. It's really unrefined so far anyway and has lots of subpar choices, I might post a decklist later when it's more thought-through.
>>43530155
There is a point because none of us, or at least I, haven't made a deck around him and are just theory crafting. Like maybe you're onto some super broken shit that we don't know of, and that's the reason you think he's viable.
>>43530155
Don't be so negative, I haven't taken part in this argument but I'm a fan of Anafenza beatdowns in French, I could get behind Karlov if someone comes up with good ways to use him. I'm just not sure what that would even look like.
>>43530086
>Soul sister cards + Brimaz still works, lifelinkers like Vault Skirge still works, cards like Soulmender still works... should I go on?
Yeah cause soulmender is fucking garbage. As I said already, you either are protecting your commander or landing value on other stuff and just hoping your commander doesnt matter. Your deck requires synergy for single cards to work (like your commander) so your opponent will just kill it
>So does the anti-wrath cards. If they SPECIFICALLY only kill the soul sisters, then they're welcome to waste their time, because I already have things going by then. It's also relatively inefficient as removal. There are plenty of things I'd rather run over it.
As said, you'll need to hold up mana for anti-wrath cards so they are garbage. Or your not able to hold up mana for the anti-wrath cards to develope a board state so you can't cast them. then they are useless.
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>It really isn't.
Explain how you managing to turn 1 soul sister, turn two commander and then turn three brimaz and then hold up mana for anti-wrath and meanwhile your opponent has done nothing is NOT christmasland.
>This is a problem that loads of deck already face. It's not like decks will always have an efficient removal in hand in the first three turns.
There's more efficient removal cards available in naya, or abzan or jund than there are life gain things for turns 1-3
>>43529781
>While obviously fucking good, Marath is still "just" a 3/3 for 3. Karlov will almost always be AT LEAST a 4/4 for 2 when it comes time to attack, most often even bigger.
Except you're forgetting the mana dorks and the ramp green offers.
>None of the Skullbriar lists I find work anywhere near like what any of you suggest. They run exactly zero "buff" spells like someone suggested, exactly zero things that put counters on him except for himself.
Fair enough. Skullbriar isn't a very competitive commander anyway. I guess there is no single viable deck that beats karlov's pump atm. But then there's the question of why would you do that when you can just go for regular beat down instead, which realistically is just as fast.
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>>43530284
This thread has been nothing but vitriolic to the suggestion from the get-go, I'm pretty sure no one would feel very compelled to share their decklist in that context.
Either way I'm hitting the hay right now so posting it wouldn't be very constructive for me. I might post it in a day or two when I've worked a little more on it.
>>43530322
>Yeah cause soulmender is fucking garbage.
In 99% of decks, yes. But in Karlov it simulates a Soul Warden that sees a creature dropping every turn, which is far and away good enough. You can even buff Karlov at instant speed which has applications.
>As said, you'll need to hold up mana for anti-wrath cards so they are garbage.
I would obviously only do it against decks that I would reasonably except to run mass removal, which isn't all of them. Against other decks you can go more balls to the wall and finish even faster.
>Explain how you managing to turn 1 soul sister, turn two commander and then turn three brimaz and then hold up mana for anti-wrath and meanwhile your opponent has done nothing is NOT christmasland.
>There's more efficient removal cards available in naya, or abzan or jund than there are life gain things for turns 1-3
Looking at decklists, only relatively few decks, like Augustin and Tasigur, run that much removal. All decks do, sure, but most of them only a smattering., which you can reasonably except to avoid the first few turns most games.
>>43530502
>This thread has been nothing but vitriolic to the suggestion from the get-go, I'm pretty sure no one would feel very compelled to share their decklist in that context.
You started the discussion with bold claims that he would be top tier if I remember correctly, while not backing it up in any way. Of the first four responses you received, one was a shitpost, sure, but the other three were acknowledging he may be powerful, though still doubting tier 1 potential. That's not vitriolic. You just got too defensive while refusing to provide a decklist but still holding on to your "tier 1" prediction with nothing to back it up.
Post a decklist tomorrow, I'd genuinely like to see it.
>>43530502
>This thread has been nothing but vitriolic to the suggestion from the get-go, I'm pretty sure no one would feel very compelled to share their decklist in that context.
>anonymous
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>>43530502
>In 99% of decks, yes. But in Karlov it simulates a Soul Warden that sees a creature dropping every turn, which is far and away good enough. You can even buff Karlov at instant speed which has applications.
So you have a 1/1 that doesnt do anything without your commander and requires adding mana to in an aggro deck? Sounds bad
>I would obviously only do it against decks that I would reasonably except to run mass removal, which isn't all of them. Against other decks you can go more balls to the wall and finish even faster.
You can only go fast with lifelink giving your karlov buffs, which you haven't shown are playable
>Looking at decklists, only relatively few decks, like Augustin and Tasigur, run that much removal. All decks do, sure, but most of them only a smattering., which you can reasonably except to avoid the first few turns most games.
Yeah those other deck lists are dropping things like creatures, that can block or kill your commander.
Your deck idea relies on synergy for most cards to be useful. Synergy decks have fallen to the wayside because piles of just goodstuff are better on average. Karlov isn't teir 1 in french.
>>43530502
>This thread has been nothing but vitriolic to the suggestion from the get-go,
>Wah I said something stupid and people called me stupid for it
>>43521692
Splash red for Lightning Storm and win on the spot with mana producers like Simian Spirit Guide and Desperate Ritual.
>>43530795
Not him but this general pretty much proves EDH has the worst community.
The commander 2015 decks all look shit to me.
quick yes or no question.
Giving karlov lifelink and old "when ever deal dmg gain life" would trigger him twice yes?
>>43531084
Yes.
>>43531084
You'd gain life twice.Lifelink isn't a triggered ability so it never triggers.
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>>43522182
My most casual and straightforward commander. No combos, no complicated plays, just reanimation and demonic beatdowns and fun.
>>43531067
shitty commanders get shitty decks
>>43531193
Lili is fun.
Here's mine, though I have replaced sangromancer with Gray Merchant.
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>>43531276
>Here's mine
Oh yeah?
Gary is the real deal. I once drained each other player for 25 life in a single turn with a well-timed Living Death and Animate Dead on him.
Sangromancer kinda sucks but she's actually saved my ass a few times. With only 2 or 3 triggers (hitting each opponent) she can quickly gain me 15-20 life.
>>43521087
I think she might be competitive, but probably not t1. And Anafenza is another general who hoses her.
