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Previous thread: >>43453403
First for forgetting the goddamn subject
>>43464064
Daily reminder that Seoni is a trap now. Thanks, Paizo.
>>43464087
Does she have a penis now?Is it a feminine penis?
Reposting from previous thread:
Gareth, one question: What happens when Festival of Shadows crits with a grapple weapon-and the grapple check succeeds? Are they all grappled to you (which causes them to be pulled all the way over into melee range) or are they grappled by the shadows? Or they aren't grappled at all?
>>43464098
Nah, I'm just screwing with people because the last general was Trap Edition with a picture of Seoni.
>>43464066
Not Ssalarn, but it was my understanding that Spheres didn't have any connection to the separation of Arcane and Divine, and it was all up to usage of Fluff and Caster Traditions.
Basically, its all just magic, no hair splitting
>>43463237
You write for Spheres, right?
For the purpose of things that affect arcane/divine/psionic/psychic magic specifically, can a spherecaster's casting tradition set the spherecaster's magic as arcane/divine/psionic/spherecasting for mechanical purposes?
>>43464159
He writes for DSP
He does akasha, arcforge and tzocatl and some time late next year he's gonna do shadowcasting.
>>43464151
Is spheres immune/ineligible for anything that specifically targets arcane or divine magic, then?
>>43464087
>>43464127
I heard that shit has gotten even worse with how Paizo writes their deities and adventures, but I tend to just avoid the golarion related stuff.
What happened?
>>43464286
Literally nothing, except for Anon making a bad joke.
>relatively new in Pathfinder
>Party got caught in enemy base
>DM takes 5 cards
>I took the joker
>Now im alone against some pierrot-like guy puppeter (probably a summoner) with an arbiter in his shoulder and a four arms angelic warrior.
I'm a inquisitor, need some advice, is there a way to deal with this? some tips for survive?
>>43464199
Personally, I would say so, unless you homebrew like you would if replacing all Vancian with Spheres.
One anon a few weeks a go was making homebrew rules for reworking PrC because of this iirc
>>43464366
Why are you fighting Celestials, first of all?
>>43464366
Run like a bitch, the tried and true tactic of any seasoned adventurer.
>>43464199
In Spheres, the GM is responsible for ruling what is arcane, divine, both, or neither.
>>43464392
im lawful evil so i think the inevitables dont have any problem killing me
>>43464396
im afraid to recognise im in a some sort of closed dome, my DM dont have any mercy
>>43464782
Man, I had not realized how many neutral Iconics there are.
>>43464101
Why you do this to me anon? I'll check it when I get off work.
>>43464864
Because I love PoW characters. I want to see what's the limit of what I can build-Pic RelatedI have been, and will always be buggering you for complicated rule interactions. I like toying with PoW that much.
I need help!
I want to make a True Primitive Barbarian + Some Kind of Oracle -> Rage Prophet
What is a good build path for this? How does one make it not garbage?
If I wanted to be an unkillable piece of shit, but still be able to wreck things unarmed what would I go for? Steelfist commando?
>>43464159
I've done some writing for Spheres, but it's not my main gig. Spheres is actually a GM tool for customizing magic in your campaign, so it doesn't have any inherent separation between types of magic. You'd want to use casting traditions to delineate those.
>>43463752
I've actually been collecting a lot of feedback for some tweaks to the base mech system, so I backburnered additional materials while I worked on that, and I've been hammering on the Tzocatl update. Also, I got almost nothing done for nearly a week after catching a horrific case of lord only knows what while visiting family at the hospital, so that put me a bit behind too.
>>43464183
As a freelance writer, I do a lot of stuff for a few different companies, but DSP is kind of my main home and my favorite company to work for. I also helped write Spheres of Power: Expanded Options for Drop Dead Studios, and I wrote Ultimate Battle Lord and some other materials for Amora Games, as well as some stuff for Rogue Genius and editing for Wayfinder.
>>43465110
Depends. Warders (especially dervish defenders) do great unarmed as well and are generally tougher to kill. But there's also Aurora Soul Mystic, which is magicky and good at punching things. Steelfist is really good though.
>>43465158
Damn it, reset my browser and lost my name and trip.
>>43465108
Come on guys, something. I know it's not sucking dreamscarred's dick, but I want to play it.
>>43465354
Fuck off with your bullshit. It's been 14 minutes since you posted and people are at school or work.
Coming into this thread and calling people dicksuckers isn't a great way to get people to make characters for your fucking lazy ass.
Would it be exceptionally bad to have a character be a rogue or something similar, then have him be redeemed and become a paladin/nightguard? Like would he be gimped super hard?
>>43465354
I was going to help you, but because of that, nah. Fuck you.
>>43465858
>>43465716
Bullshit. I've posted the same question in three consecutive threads and received 1 reply before I started insulting people. Apparently being a prick or sucking dreamscarred's dick is the only want to get responses in /pfg/.
>>43465178
Okay, thanks. Sorry to hear you weren't feeling well. Which project has been your favorite so far?
>>43465945
Have you considered that no one else has really attempted to build something like that, and that no one really cares about it?
You're not entitled to ever get an answer, and you should know that. Being a passive-aggressive dick that whines when he doesn't get what he wants is definitely not going to give you any help either.
>>43465815
mechanically? That depends on your stat allocation and starting level. If you build a bow rogue, then into paladin, that would probably work well enough, but I'm not sure paladins into twf very well.
My players are probably going to be fighting Devargo Barvasi, from Curse of the Crimson Throne soon.
I want to really kick them in the dick and make them realize that he's tougher than they expected. They're pretty much an all-martial party save for a Cleric, all at level 3.
So how do I rebuild http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/npc-s/npc-3/devargo-barvasi
as an Initiator? What cool options can I use to keep the flavor of the guy, but make him kick actual ass?
>>43465815
You could go like, Holy gun or the paladin archer archetype; thus making use of your decent dex that you'd have as sneakybeaky class. Any sort of Dex/Cha 'Rogue' class should carry over well into your paladinness if you run it like that. This is an Azata, which is CG, so it's kinda close.
I think holy gun is terrible, though, so don't do it.
>>43465945
1) Post a picture, it gets attention
2) Why the fuck do you even need our fucking help? You already know what the fuck you want (Class/archetype + class + prestige class), why the fuck are you asking us? Do you want us to hold your god damn hand? Roll your dice for you? There's literally a fucking mystery in Oracle called BATTLE and you can use it to go fucking fight people and an archetype called WARSIGHTED. Literally two fucking minutes of searching that you couldn't be pissed to do.
3) Fuck off with your passive-aggressive shit.
>>43466014
stalker or steelfist would probably be your best bet. If you want to retain something similar to sneak attack, stalker. If you want to capitalize on the guantlets, steelfist with broken blade disc.
>>43464127
How would trap Seoni even work? She's got huge chest beefers and an hourglass figure, it's kind of hard for most guys to get those kinds of assets.
>>43466120
Alter Self is a hell of a thing.
>>43466133
Alter Self is a level 4 spell and only lasts for a maximum of 20 minutes assuming you master magic.
What's the nastiest sap adept build you can think of? I'm thinking elven curve blade unchained rogue with martial versatility (to change it to bludgeoning damage and still qualify for weapon finesse/dex to damage) with the bludgeoner trait so all your attacks are nonlethal for free and qualify for sap adept/mastery shit. Throw in the underhanded talent for maximum fun.
>>43466162
A Hat of Disguise is also a thing.
>>43466203
Her hair is actually a hat of disguise?
>>43466222
Or the thing in her hair to hold it in place.
>>43466002
>>43466058
I was thinking him starting with a dagger or something, turning to crime because it was all he really had, then once he becomes the paladin/nightguard I'd go sword and board. I really like the redemption idea but I want it not to suck
>>43466272
Maybe a buckler and some sort of finessable weapon? Archer feels the best bet, in honesty, since archery doesn't suck.
Any womenor gay menhere? Do you find this attractive?
>>43466318
Looks like Illidan from Warcraft
>>43466318
aagm, what the hell is with that brow. what is with those arms. what is with those hooves. what is with that weapon!
none of these things are as attractive as they could be.
>>43465354
Looks fine to me. You didn't need trap sense anyway and fetish is good for shoring up the missing BAB. Proficiencies are also not a problem since you're an Oracle that can get more Armor. Favored terrain is kinda meh, but it will help with skill versatility.
For mysteries, I'd recommend Battle, Metal, Tapestry, Ancestor, and maybe Apocalypse.
Just don't take the Lame curse and you should be fine.
>>43466272
well, if you want to finesse a weapon, you could switch out dagger for a rapier. I mean, you're a martial, so if you stick with 1pp, you aren't going to be super great at a whole bunch. Are you tied to 1pp?
>>43466343
Kinda does, doesn't it?
I want to use Incubui as the same place as succubii, but they look kinda... ugly
>>43466373
I guess I need more handsome succubi?
>>43466318
I like the legs, but what's with the huge WWE wrestling belt?
Aslo as >>43466373
that brow, which I think is overemphasized by the darkening around the eyes.
>>43466381
>>43466301
Nah, I kind of want to go nightguard though. Maybe use a mace instead. The idea is that he starts out level 2, with the 2nd level in nightguard since the rogue stuff is his backstory
>>43466318
Not particularly, no. The face doesn't do it for me.
Reposting form the last thread. Homebrew classes I've been working on. Read 'em and comment if you want or not.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l6wE41IVgRQxjmZr3upQsKprq6HgRmws4e8TbkcvUm4/edit?usp=sharing
Is it just me or is glass steel in Steelforge a more expensive version of DSP's own Mundane Crystal?
I could be mistaken but it seems as such.
Currently building a sneak-attack based 2h dex Unchained Rogue with the Underhanded talent trying to go for assassination type stuff.
Aside from stuff like a Rogue's Vest, Deadly Precision enchant, Bracers of Murder/Bracers of the Hunter/Deathstrike Bracers, Mantle of the Predator, and the Craven feat, all of them from 3.5, is there actually anything that can help with sneak attack in PF? The Rogue guides that I've seen don't seem to really have a lot.
>>43466318
Same question, but with this.Because pic related is described as "brutish and ugly" by Paizo.
>>43466473
Better/Worse?
>>43466492
Hey DtG, I have a question. How do I determine what manner of resource would be a settlement's comparative advantage good?
Also, how do I avoid screwing over farmers for all of GARDENS and letting things turn into a commodities market nightmare?
>>43466533
Better, but not devil-y enough, he's just a guy with wings.
>>43466528because it is brutish and ugly
>>43466568
He's also got horns too.
>>43466528
Clearly he too closely resembles the Jock/Father/other male figure that Paizo were oppressed by at some point in their lives.
Also that's not how gauntlet ergonomics work, that looks like a damn stump weapon.
Knee armor's also a mess, since the thigh plate stretches over the knee.
jaw's also bizarre distended or the beard is growing at an angle.
Good base style, shite art proportions.
>>43466438
ah. okay. well, one level in rogue isn't going to ruin you, but it isn't really going to make life better for you either. Go unchained rogue, that might help
Well, if you do have any pictures of attractive male demons laying around, I'll take them. I need a few -- I have a ton of ladies, but nothing on the flip side.
>>43466536
Stay away from the bulk foods market unless it's niche (fungus stocks for emergency food in siege conditions, etc).
Stick to whatever 'crops' are suited for the climate/soil, but you can use soil beds with compositions different to local stock, though it would be more expensive, in fluff.
Fish farming for caviar, crop/animal farming for pharmaceuticals like anti-venom, vat brewing, all sorts of stuff that requires mid-level maintenance and outputs mid-level products.
Don't compete with the local wheat farmers, instead find a niche and unionize with your fellow farmers.
This will insure stronger infrastructure and a guaranteed price as well as other benefits of having a bunch of rich producers on your side, such as making sure your chain of supply is not disrupted by brigands.
Make yourself the distant country that others clamor to befriend, then use them to your advantage in your own industry.
>>43466120
She wants to be a trap (or reverse trap, I guess is the term?) but she can't because of her figure. She's very disappointed about it. But she becomes more boyish when she becomes mythic, so clearly she's making progress towards fixing it.
>tfw you become an adventurer solely to hone your magic so you can do a better job playing dress-up
>>43466528
Proportions on him are kinda wonky. >>43466596 is pretty great though.
>>43466533
Nah. Not sure why.Personally, I prefer more effeminate guys. Gimme a pic related instead.
>>43466788
Someone did a dump of these in a picture thread on /tg/ a while back. This tickle your fancy?
>>43466827
It would, but the face ruins it again.Also, never really was a fan of devilguys.
>>43466395
>I guess I need more handsome succubi?
Can crossbows or slings use manyshot?
>>43466638
It doesn't necessarily have to be that class, but something similar to how it works would be good
>>43466908
No.
>>43466854
Do you want tomarry a drow?
>>43466953Yes
>>43466318
Face looks weird, like it's wider than it should be. Arms are weird, too. Also just not my type. Plus his expression and stance give an unflattering impression of his personality.
>>43466528
More attractive. The arms are still a little weird, but for different reasons, but overall he's more attractive. He's buff, but not stupidly buff like the first guy. It also comes to individual taste, but the facial hair is nice and well-maintained. Overall he looks more cuddly. I might call him brutish, but I wouldn't call him ugly.
>>43466533
Definitely better than the first one, not sure how I'd rate him compared to the second. Not as cuddly, but attractive nonetheless. Muscular but lithe is nice, and for once we have a guy whose proportions look generally normal. I'd definitely believe this thing is an incubus, and he's the only one of the three I'd say that of.
>I'll never grind chaotic types into dust whilst doing mathematical equations
hold me /pfg/
>>43466953
Dang. Alright, thanks.
>>43467003
Your welcome?
>>43466766
Hey downtime god, asked a few threads ago abouthow to best utilize my GM-granted ability to play a Promethean Alchemist that counts as a caster for crafting, and got some cool tips like hedge mage trait, tools of manufacture, and tools to boost craft checks. Got any other tips for an aspiring magical item and/or construct crafter? Any good ways to utilize a homunculus daughteru? How about leadership cohorts and followers?
Fellow party members are: Barbarian/Fighter, Warpriest, and a crossbow gunslinger/Inquisitor. What are some good wondrous items to make for them so they can better protect my ass? Aside from just the obvious stat boosters, that is.
I've never found a time to use this image, so I might as well post it now in tribute to those drow enthusiasts of this thread.
>>43466983
While we're determining male attractiveness, where does everyone rate the Pazio iconics?
>>43466953
nah, too backstabby. and with my lack of drive i'd end up more as a side-piece than a husband, which is shitty on an emotional level.
By the way, anything interesting the new Player's Companion-Weapon Master's Handbook?
>>43467129
Aren't Drow men different than drow women on the backstabbing part?
Like, being on the ass end of things makes them less back-stabby?
>>43467114
in his youth he might've been a looker, but was no doubt busy with his books. a shame really.
fighter (when the proportions/style haven't shat the bed that book) has the rugged thing going on.
monk is monk, too serious for me.
i'd make a pedophilia joke about the bard, but then i'd out myself for writing for paizo.
dorf is too busy with REVEEENGE
>>43467181
>i'd make a pedophilia joke about the bard
Nah, that's the Druid. Even Lem doesn't look child-like. Although, I guess the Kineticist looks even more child-like than the Druid, given that she actually IS a child...
>>43467172
the backstabbing is on such a level that you (as a husband) would probably be assassinated to mess with your wife. and then there's competition among the harem for her affections, etc. etc.
I'm just ashort/scrawny, kind of hairynerd, I ain't got time for that shit.
>>43466497
Anyone?
>>43467045
If your DM reverses his house rule remember that taking this discovery also lets you take the crafting feats: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/alchemist/discoveries/paizo---alchemist-discoveries/spell-knowledge
>>43466497
>>43467225
You could see if your DM will let you put the Sword of Subtlety ability on your weapon: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons/specific-magic-weapons/sword-of-subtlety
I have an idea guys
Right, we get 5 level 20 wizards, maybe higher
they all use gate and call as many olethrodaemons as possible through
and we send them on their merry way to the darklands to make some friends
>>43467181
>in his youth he might've been a looker, but was no doubt busy with his books. a shame really.
Who needs youth when you have MYTHIC?!
>>43467259
Going to be looking at doing a questline to get a Manyfang Elven Curve Blade eventually, so the weapon part is already mostly covered. It seems like there just kinda... isn't a lot of stuff to boost Sneak Attack.
>>43467281
The art direction for Mythic iconics never ceases to make me laugh.
What is a good tanky class?
>>43467181
>but was no doubt busy with his books. a shame really
Ezren's backstory is that he spent his youth a hopeless NEET living off his merchant daddy's autism bux.
He's out adventuring because it's his midlife crisis.
>>43467358
Warder. If you need to go first party, Stonelord Paladin.
>>43467358
Wizard.Please be more specific with your requests and if you can use 3pp or not.
>>43467353
Reminder that this guy is supposedly the most attractive Iconic by Paizo's standards.
>>43467395
>>43467358
We can use 3pp.
Tanky as in can take the abuse, we're going to have a witch and someone with healing.
>>43467281
If I didn't know better, I'd say that's zeus from dota 2
>>43467415
Warder. If you want to be both tanky and capable of fucking people up hard, go Zweihander Sentinel Warder.
>>43467415
Summoner/Wizard with a lot of conjuration. Shit up the battle field with summons. If they get hit, it's no worries, cause it's not your HP pool.
>>43467444
Fuck that's metal
>>43467341
There's this feat, but it's only really useful if you're not in a class that has full SA progression:
Accomplished Sneak Attacker
Your strikes against a foe’s vital spots are extra deadly.
Prerequisite: Sneak attack class feature.
Benefit: Your sneak attack damage increases by 1d6.
Your number of sneak attack dice cannot exceed half your
character level (rounded up).
>>43467511
Thanks, but I'll have... somewhere about 4-5 dice higher than half my level from items.
Also wow, actually doing the math on it, even with maxing out SA to get like about 10 SA dice at level 10, maxing them to 6 through Underhanded, and having whatever other bonuses, I actually still might not be able to one-round enemies.
That's kinda fucked up.
/pfg/, i'd like some help. just started playing in a new pathfinder campaign, so we're level 1. my buddy and i are doing halfling twins who like to steal things.
i'm a street performer bard and he's a rogue, i distract while he steals. what i'd like is some help on what to build so that i can make him even better at stealing/sneaking, ways to be better at distracting while not getting killed. we have every book to choose from, no third party. not necessarily looking for minmaxing, just wondering what a good build for that kinda thing would be.
>>43467609
And now you understand why banking on SA damage is a shitty idea
>>43465956
Akashic Mysteries has definitely been my favorite project over all, though I'm currently playing a Battle Lord and before getting it published through Amora it was of my favorite homebrews to tinker around with. Even though I'm really enjoying them, I'm actually also looking forward to getting Tzocatl and Arcforge wrapped so I can dedicate a bit more time to some other projects that got backburnered, like the Pharoah, Shadow Magic, and some Akashic expansions that had their roots in ideas that didn't fit in AM.
>>43467412
By one guy at Paizo's standards.
>>43467633
I see that.
Like, this is with about 3-5 items boosting it, at least a few class-features, and at least a few feats sunk into it.
I mean, sure, at that point you might be able to get off multiple attacks per round from it, which would be helpful, but I'm not really totally sure if it's even actually worth it then.
I think it ends up averaging out to, assuming it's maxed from underhanded even on successive attacks in the same round as long as it's surprise, something close to ~50ish damage per hit.
And yeah, sure, I've got like ten skill points per level, and I get skill unlocks, but... I still don't really actually have class features. Like there's just a big hole where class features are supposed to be, and I guess I'm just supposed to hide in that and stab people from it or something.
>>43467739
Hey, Paizo's shown they admire all kinds of diverse sorts of beauty! After all, the iconic Occultist has the exact same gangly legs, squinty eyes, and protruding belly as Jason Buhlman. Seriously though, there's a couple pictures where they look almost identical other than the hair color.
>>43467045
More rolls is more profit, anon.
Keep your portfolio and crafting options diverse.
Consider crafting armor-type war machines and other constructs to supplement your martials.
Don't take leadership, take recruits.
Recruits will give you more, slightly lower level cohorts and if your DM will allow it you can take the evil and undead versions, derived from their respective leadership feats.
If you can't afford the war machine or aren't allowed 3rd party at all, I suggest Junk golems, since they're cheap and effective.
You don't need 1 insanely adept mage follower.
You want multiple cohorts all qualified in different things to allow flexibility.
>>43467643
How does a Daevic(Axiom) with Mech Piloting make you feel?
The correct answer isSHINING FINGEEEEEEER
Is there any way to be able to use a full-round action in a surprise round?
>>43467889
bandit rogue maybe.
>>43467889
If third-party is allowed, the psionic feat below might help.
>Ready Response (Psionic)
>You can move yourself more quickly through sheer willpower.
>Benefit: At the beginning of a surprise round, if you would not normally take an action, you can expend your psionic focus to roll initiative and take a standard action or a move action. If you do move normally in a surprise round, you can expend your psionic focus to take a full round of action, rather than only a standard or move action.
>Normal: A character that is allowed to act in a surprise round can take only a standard action or a move action, not both.
>>43467849
Yeah, that's good times. There'll actually be a Daevic archetype in the Arcforge release as well, with a kind of literal Deus Ex Machina.
>>43467983
But how would I acquire Psionic Focus? I'm not a psionic class
>>43468078
Take the general feat Wild Talent and you get a pool of 2 power points. This lets you gain psionic focus and take psionic feats.
>>43468104
If I was going to do that, is there any worthwhile feat that'd allow me to take advantage of the PP from it?
And more importantly, if I was able to get a full-round in a surprise, would Underhanded let me max the SA dice on all attacks?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/rogue/rogue-talents/paizo---rogue-talents/underhanded-ex
>>43468163
The general feat Unlocked Talent gives you any 1st-level power known and the ability to manifest it at ML 1 (so you can spend 1 power point on it, and another if you take Overchannel and burn 1d8 hit points each time).
If you get a full-round action in the surprise round, you'd probably still be burning 1 use of Underhanded per attack.
Ask your GM if you can later take an enhanced version that lets you do it for a whole turn instead of a single attack per use (and expect to be turned down).
>>43468278
GM said that Underhanded wasn't limited per-day, because seriously, what the shit.
>>43468334
Then good, every attack during the surprise round meets the qualifications to use Underhanded. (Though your GM may rule you need to use a new hidden weapon each time.)
I've got a Spheres question. How do Familiars work with Spheres? Do they still use Share Spells? If so, how does it work?
How come chaotic stuff tends to get all the love
>>43469201
Chaos is the fun alignment as far as Paizo is concerned.
Good is great, but Chaotic Good is better, without being troubled by the problematic Lawful alignment.
Look at how much support/material there is for Demons compared to Devils or Proteans verses Inevitables.
Most APs are designed with CG PCs in mind, I can't think of a single one where it makes more sense to play as Lawful. JJ loves demons and all of his favorite NPCs are CG.
To Paizo, there are four evil alignment, and the fourth one is LN.
>>43467225
just grab the fucker and coup de grace them with throatslicer/bushwhack
>>43469451
Then why are Abadar and Irori so based?
Or is that a relic of the older days? Because you can easily see a change over time in Lore and fluff stylings.
I think it almost lines up with the duration of SKR being in office
Well, my fleshwarper-sorcerer has managed to get his hands on the blood of a Blackwood Satyr.
Who are fairly infamous for this ability:
>Incorrigible Charm (Su) A blackwood satyr emits an aura of incorrigible charm out to a radius of 30 feet. Any creature that begins its turn in this area of effect must succeed at a DC 19 Will save, or be affected as per the spell charm person. The blackwood satyr can suppress or resume this ability at will. This is a mind-affecting effect. The save DC is Charisma-based.
With my current charisma there's literally no chance of any NPC of 3rd level or lower beating the DC if I grab Ability focus.
How upset do you think he's going to be if I do this shit?
>>43469451
LG is also sometimes LE light. Like Ragathiel whose Obedience requires you to sacrifice someone who committed and evil or unlawful deed. Some devs also consider Mengkare to be LG.
>>43469554
>Then why are Abadar and Irori so based?
Because Paizo can't bear to think about or touch them.
>>43469451
WotR maybe?
>>43467643
do you think one could completely do away with vancian casting in exchange for veilweaving?
>>43469451
I've actually seen a post in which JJ basically says
>They're Lawful, of course they're evil
It was to do with the Second Darkness Winter Court IIRC, I'll see if I can dig it up.
>>43469555
Remember, it's not a DC 19, it's a DC 10+1/2 Level+Cha!
>>43469597
>I'll see if I can dig it up.
I'll get the popcorn, this should be a hoot
>>43469600
Exactly, currently my cha bonus is an effective +9, at level 10.
So, 15, 21, 23 with ability focus, then I could probably niggle a Graft to increase it again (Or graft it twice for roll twice, take worst, that's been allowed before)
At which point I'm basically going to wake up covered in a thick layer of bitches every morning.
>>43469597
>I've actually seen a post in which JJ basically says
Unless they are Mengkare.
Gentlemen, I've heard Eldritch Scion is bad. If so, why is it bad and how do we fix it?
>>43469554
>Then why are Abadar and Irori so based?
When was the last time you've seen Abadar or Irori get mentioned in an AP?
When was the last time you've seen Desna or Milani get mentioned in an AP?
>>43469675
By not caring.
>>43469649
>>43469672
>3) The Winter Council was never decent folk at heart. They're Lawful Neutral, and to a society like elves (who are Chaotic Good for the most part) they're actually as disruptive as anarchists are to our society. The Winter Council are, sort of, "reverse anarchists" if you will, which combined with their secrecy and tradition established over hundreds of centuries makes them really dangerous to the elven way of life. Law does not always mean they're good guys. In fact, it often means they're not. That's what the "good" part of the alignment axis is for.
>Lawful often means they're not good
>Not, not being good often means they're not good
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2j6fk?Winter-Council
>>43469554
They barely use Irori in an official capacity and Abadar more often then not shows up only as an obstacle to the party or complicit with the bad guys (Curse of the Crimson Throne, Legacy of Fire, Council of Thieves and Hell's Rebels)
As time goes on the Lawful deities become more and more jerk-like.
>>43469558
Exactly.
>>43469583
Wrath could work if you played a Paladin, but remember that a major and front piece part of the AP is redemption and tolerance. Not much room for a 'All demons must die' mentality when one of them is a key NPC who joins the good guys.
Also, you end up working with demons on several occasions, so there isn't much room for hardcore Lawful.
>>43469597
I wouldn't be surprised at all.
>>43469732
He's not saying lawful is usually evil, he's saying it's often not good. It's often not good because it's usually lawful.
>>43469588
that would require veilweaving be able to handle a whole bunch of pleasantness including but not limited to negative levels, petrification, and ability damage, as well as plot-shaping magic (which is hard to fit into an at-will structure)
>>43469778
Stop being so fucking stupid.
>>43469708
I'm GMing Iron Gods and in the player's guide it mentions Abadar is commonly worshipped in Numeria's cities.
>>43469801
Stop reading into shit just to feed your hate. I'm not saying the man doesn't like chaos more than law, just that he's not saying "LAW = EVIL GUYS".
>>43469583
Succubutt. Heck, the players are rewarded and given better connection to her if any of them worship Desna.
Would've been better if she was affiliated with Shelyn or Cayden instead
>>43469835
Then why the fuck say that? Of course lawful isn't the same thing it's good, it's fucking lawful, that's like saying blue isn't the same thing as sweet, what kind of mongoloid actually feels the need to say that?
>>43469672
>Dictator running a nation sized eugenics project to create the master race.
>Not evil
I always have a good kek about that
>>43469835
>just that he's not saying "LAW = EVIL GUYS".
Paizo just seems to enjoy chaos more in general, from Chaotic Evil to Chaotic Good.
Still, they're saying Law is often not good, which means it's often Neutral or Evil. Evil is evil, but Lawful Neutral is, at least how it's portrayed in Golarion, fucking boring as shit and rarely comes up as anything interesting.
Which is ironic since they're living in one of the more regulated parts of the country. Guess the Northwest Ignorance Bubble is real.
>>43469788
that's what I figured. Thanks for the feedback. I'll probably remove vancian casting in exchange for veilweaving and spheres, because spheres can handle some of the stranger things and plot stuff. Daevic mechs, I'm fucking diamonds
>>43469588
It would lower the power ceiling since AM is designed for everything to be about Tier 3 ( + or - ), but yeah. The biggest issue you'd run into is that Gurus are the only effective healing class, and they're more designed to be secondary healers instead of primary, missing a couple key abilities, like healing energy drain. There's some plans to plug that hole soon, but there just wasn't room in the main book series.
You'd probably also need to introduce consumable veils, maybe almost like a potion or consumable wondrous item where it's pre-crafted with a set amount of essence, duration, and possibly bind effect based on the level of the veilweaver who prepared it... Which I'm now totally writing up.
>>43469887
How is any of that evil?
>>43469887
No no it's cool, you need to give consent in written form before you join Hermea, and once you do it's a non-stop fun land of carefully selected 10/10 waifu/husbandos, cocktails and sandy beaches.
>>43469675
Honestly, I'd change it so that it followed slightly altered sorcerer bloodlines instead of the bloodrager bloodlines, and no longer required you to enter a trance for spell combat.
>>43469848
>Would've been better if she was affiliated with Shelyn or Cayden instead
>Paizo
>Ever paying lip-service to Cayden "white male womanizer" Cailean.
Shelyn would've been cute as fuck for Arushalae, though, especially since it would better fit the whole "find the beauty in romance and true love, purify an evil soul, etc."
>>43469946
>>43469948
"Some foreign sailors perceive an undercurrent of fear beneath the citizens' apparent contentment. There are even tales of rebels opposed to Mengkare’s rule hiding out in the forests at the far side of the island. And are the charred corpses that sometimes wash up on the shores of the island really the work of pirates?" -Inner Sea World Guide
>>43469887
>Creature that lives for aeons giving up its entire existence to try and improve the life quality of a species it don't owe shit to, by carefully breeding up superior stock and exporting great shit from beaches and models land.
Face it, Dragon is good as balls in a really fucked up way.
Same as the man that first bred a ratting dog.
>>43469998
So literally nothing except rumors that exist to let GMs modify stuff. Cool.
>>43469998
>Rest of the world are nervous and rumor mongering about a fucking dragon that runs its own ultra-lawful hookers and blow paradise
No shit bro, of course there's rumors.
But the fact is, Metallic dragons tarnish if they go to the bad, same way Paladins fall, its a cosmic thing rather than a personal choice.
He has to be good because he's gold, he's gold and thus he's good, that's how it works.
>>43469998
>mfw Mengkare is doing all of this just to breed the perfect harem
>>43470060
>Metallic dragons tarnish if they go to the bad
They do? Do you have a source on that, because I've never heard of it.
>>43469834
It's not as important that they get mentioned in a guide or background capacity, look at how the deity is used in an actual adventure. Adabar makes no appearance in the Iron Gods AP, so saying he's commonly worshiped but not having him in the AP means nothing to how he is portrayed within the game/writing.
>>43469998
Slander and libel!
>>43470091
Dragons of Golarion, also Rise of the Runelord #4
>>43470091
Dragons Revisited if I remember Correctly.
Also
>>43470064
>yfw Mengkare makes Waifus real
Obviously his plan, inevitable really.
>>43466486
So you've didn't do much to improve the warlock. Though I guess Stinking Cloud at level 7 is pretty alright.
>>43470060
He could be using a glamour, he is a dragon afterall, and they are magical as balls. Plus it fits Draconic pride to not let people see your weakness
>>43469939
Hmm. That'll take some doing. Possibly for my next campaign. I'm going to be adjusting the PF classes into Sphere classes, because one of my players said she wants to play a shaman. Consumable veils are actually really interesting.
>>43470064
This is honestly something I'd expect a dragon to do.
>>43469998
Even Mengkare isn't perfect. Surely some Evil or Chaotic people bent on destabilizing his paradise exist. A society has to police it's own people in some way.
Burning-Death-Banishment is probably standard punishment after conviction.
>>43470165
Also one has to remember Mengkare lets no outsiders into Hermea, so it's not like people could check if he looks tarnished or not.
>>43470165
Other non-evil dragons go to visit him all the time apparently.
Unless there's a god damn Cabal-conspiracy of secretly evil metallic dragons that managed to fool the entire world from the gods down, nig is legit as fuck.
All praise actually-correct-about-the-ubermensch Dragon Hitler.
>>43470146
>>43470132
Shows what I know. Of course, I never play in Golarion, so I rarely touch Golarion specific stuff.
>>43470196
>Surely some Evil or Chaotic people bent on destabilizing his paradise exist
He only allows like 4-5 people into Hermea every year, it's not like they're bringing in boatloads of migrants like Sweden.
>yfw Paizo finally visits Hermea/Mengkare
>yfw all the burned corpses found are from LGBT people from the island since they don't play into his view of genetic perfection/human breeding
>yfw they make him LE
>>43470238
Alignments change.
>>43470290
>mfw this is probably what will happen
>>43470290
Step beyond
>You play a group of plucky CG rebels helping a group of Mwangi ex-slaves get onto the island
>The Big, mean ol' dragon wants to preserve the cultural values of his land! But look! Little N'Gonga (The Transgender Black NPC who is always 2 levels ahead of you despite being 12) is so happy in his new home!
>LE dragon literally eats a baby during a cut scene while talking about the evils of immigration
>Only way to stop him is with an artifact that summons an Empyreal Lord that's basically Captain Sweden.
>>43470166
Yeah, my Saturday game that we had to put on hiatus due to some of our friends getting deployed used Spheres and Akasha as the only forms of magic (with psionics actually existing, but being the province of otherworldly beings who were something of a major plot point). My wife was running a Sobek Sphere Oracle, and the rest of the group included a plantfolk Akasin Guru, a Solhofaat Justice Daevic, a Suqur Incanter, and a lionfolk Armorist. The plant and lion races were from the Southlands campaign setting.
>>43470358
You must worship Achaekek because you assassinated my sides as they ascended to the upper planes!
>>43470358
You forgot to mention that N'Gonga is that one shemale's snowflake half-protean race.
>>43470132
Well no shit he has nothing to do with Iron Gods, how the hell would he fit in there?
>>43469939
http://www.dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Balance_Points
It saddens me to see how a game developer of all people uses the tier based system from the great idiot that is JaronK. Which is entirely defined by his arbitrary ass mentality that reflects little. His pet classes get all of the love (note that pile of garbage that is the Factotum) above the high game balance of the Rogue.
>>43470196
That is similar logic to the one the NDSAP walked post WWI when the Jewish lead socialists revolted in 1918-1920s.
>>43464782
>The ninja is genderfluid and asexual
Normally I'd call this sjw pandering but on a ninja it just looks like dedication
>>43470455
>yfw during the last encounter the dragon shows his true colours by yelling 'FUCKIN' NIGGERS', thus proving himself to be a true villain.
>Yfw Paizo doesn't even have the balls to drop the n-bomb and makes it some faux-draconic insult.
>>43470465
Very true, more likely than not they'd be ultra-gender-queer-platonic, and a shaman.
>>43466953
>>43470328
As a factor of circumstance. Don't give people the chance to get disenfranchised with their current leanings, and they won't change those leanings.
>>43470490
Twas pandering anon. It was never a even a stance until some people brought up asexual and genderfluid/genderqueer representation. Then Crystal iirc swooped in to note that Reiko is genderfluid and asexual. Awfully convenient if you ask me.
>>43469451
>Look at how much support/material there is for Demons compared to Devils
Well, come on. Demons are way cooler.
>or Proteans verses Inevitables.
I admit this sucks, thought honestly I'd like to see more material for both.
>>43470582
I hate Crystal so much, and it's the disgusted kind of hate that barely even counts as hate.
>>43470582
I actually wrote her as a lesbian rapebot who wants to break up the iconic rogue and cleric's relationship but they didn't want to publish my android racial archetype.
>>43470439
is there a Daevic initiator? I may just tack disciplines onto melee classes, since I like it more than full attacking actions and standard attack actions.
>>43470603
Same here.
It's not even hate really, it's just contempt.
Contempt at the fact that someone can allow such a large portion of their life and life views be defined by what should be only one tiny aspect of their personality. Because its all they have.
And can then dedicate so much time and effort to determinedly feeding everyone else the same shit to try and make it matter.
>>43470629
So are you trying to appease 4chan in order to hide that fact that you are an inept game designer reynold-kun?
>>43470629
We need to get the real SKR in here some time.
Not like they have a problem slamming him or blaming shit on him is it, he could happily do the same to them in turn.
>>43470688
I had to toe the company line, mate, they literally tried to stop me from writing any supernatural abilities for martials.
>>43470719
Well aren't you the one that wrote the Vow of Poverty monk though?
Besides, if you really want to appease us, you might as well make your robot a dude who converts the rogue into a hetero. Just to get all that kekoldry in.
>>43470358
>who is always 2 levels ahead of you despite being 12
Does anything like this ever happen in other APs?
>>43470746
I can't legally write anything to do with Paizo anymore, and Vow of Poverty was meant to be something like the automatic bonus progression before it got nerfed in editing.
I'm starting to ease into the role of playing a wizard now, but am struggling to find more creative combos and applications of my spells other than spamming glitterdust/grease over and over again.
I found a decent combo that I plan to do at level 9 goes as follows:
-Level 1 spell Snapdragon Fireworks
-Dazing spell (3) + heighten spell (1)
-Now have a 5th level spell
-First round, cast Heightened Dazing Snapdragon Fireworks and hit one enemy (DC19 reflex save or be dazed for either one or two rounds depending on interpretation of metamagic level modifiers)
-Second round, use move action to shoot another firework (DC19 ref save or be dazed again) and standard to cast a spell, swift action to teleport if needed (teleportation school)
-Repeat until enemies are dead
Are there any other strong combinations of spells, feats or other stuff that will make me even more op?
>>43470779
M'kai. Do you have the documents for it? You could always just say it's third party stuff.
>>43470809
Really can't, that's the standard company thing. The intellectual property I make belongs to them. Even if they don't sue I don't feel like shitting on my reputation in the industry.
>>43470892
provide proof this is you
because, you know, its not likely
>>43470799
The DC should be based on a 2nd level spells, not a 5th level one. Heighten only boosts it as far as you want Heighten to boost, as in it doesn't make the level adjustment from other Metamagic count as "real" spell levels.
>>43471114
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Guess the dc would be about 15 then?
So /pfg/, has anyone played Hell's Rebels, and if so how well would a "chaotic good" Alchemist who enables "freedom bombing" fit?
>>43471198
Take Craft (clock) as a skill
>>43470470
1/2
Not sure if sarcasm or not, but...
That article is crap, and people who actually believe garbage about how it's perfectly fine for low balance classes to be presented side by side with high balance classes with no guidance on what is what is why so many forums are plagued with martial/caster disparity debates.
The Tier system, flawed as it is, gives a common frame of reference that most people will understand. If I say "Tier 3", most people familiar with the Tier system will know that I mean "classes who are capable of being good at multiple things, but who like 'I win' buttons" a long and clunky sentence that I'd rather not have to write out over and over.
That being said, one of the stupidest things I hear people parrot is the whole "if it isn't Tier 1 it can't be broken" nonsense- game design has multiple facets, and "Tier" is just one. A better way to look at it would be to assume that the game has multiple components, for example-
Offense
Defense
Exploration
Utility
Control
Recovery
You could look at any class as being nonproficient, somewhat proficient, proficient, talented, or exceptional in each of these fields, maybe for convenience sake numbering them 1-5, or 0-4.
>>43471166
Depending on your casting stat, of course. It'd be 10+2+whatever your mod is, should certainly be at least four or five by the time you can cast 5th level spells.
>>43470358
And this is to go even further beyond
>Side-quest includes a member of the Iridian Choir, a Cleric of Milani, desperately trying to rescue her life partner from the Hermean Breeding Grounds (which become the Interracial Breeding Grounds following the liberation of the island)
>Another side-mission includes avenging the grisly murder of a woman's husband, who is unfortunately impossible to resurrect due to just how viciously he was butchered.
>>43470358
I really fucking wish I knew the context of this but even without that I seem to have lost my sides
>>43464692
>im afraid to recognise im in a some sort of closed dome, my DM dont have any mercy
So he stuck you in a completely enclosed dome against enemies you have no real hope of fighting based on a card draw.
I guess you die. And then find a better GM.
Can someone do me a solid and bust out a statblock for >>43466073?
I don't have all the source material to pull maneuvers from, nor do I know PoW well enough to make the build.
>>43470892
>>43471018
I kinda hope it is. It'd be interesting to have Mr. Reynolds around.
>>43471445
I wouldn't get your hopes up, I'm 95% certain that's just a random Anon screwing around considering the conversation started with >>43470629.
>>43466318
Eh, I'd hit it, but that demons are 100% my magical realm.
>>43471277
"If it isn't Tier 1 it can't be broken" is absolutely true. Uber Chargers are absolutely broken as fuck in that they can slap down a bunch of dice. I'd rather faff around with a Wizard with their variety of spells versus having the same answer to everything over and over again.
2/2
A good class should generally average out to being "proficient", meaning that you should generally have some areas where you excel, balanced by some areas where you are weaker, with excellence and nonproficiency quantified by anticipated level challenges. Numbers that exceed those required for excellence or an over-proliferation of nonproficiencies means you have a shit class. The Fighter is a great example of this- on paper, his Offense score is great, with some of the best single target damage numbers in the game, but it's at the cost of him being nearly nonproficient in every other aspect, which can also impede his ability to even execute his Offensive potential. The bard is a great example of a well-balanced class; it is baseline proficient in all areas of the game, and can focus on an area to bring it up to excellence, though usually through sacrifice in another area. Whether it's realized or not, this is essentially the hallmark of a class that would be described as "Tier 3".
Tier 1 and Tier 2 classes tend to excel in all areas, which can cause its own issues, though generally these issues are characterized by a class seeming too strong compared to its counterparts, rather than an actual inability to deal with the challenges of the game.
I don't think JaronK was particularly special in any way, and honestly there have been many instances where he's argued or undermined his own logic while discussing the Tier system, but he did create a common frame of reference that can facilitate conversation and allow GMs a quick and dirty tool for deciding what elements are appropriate for their campaign and where they might see problems crop up in the party.
Good design will take into account a class' ability to deal with a variety of situations, the efficiency with which it does so, and its adherence to basic math associated with its level.
>>43471639
Could have been sarcasm.
>>43471672
I guess so, but that's what I leave the other 5% for. I try to avoid using absolutes. That said though, I wouldn't actually mind if SKR did visit /pfg/ sometime. It would be... interesting, even if nothing else.
>>43471655
Ummm, what? I feel like you're arguing your own point, because first you say it's true that something that isn't Tier 1 can't be broken, then you say that a build that isn't Tier 1 is broken O_o
>>43471761You do know that we have images at our disposal, and smileys are frowned upon.
>>43471277
Whoops, awkward typo-
Should have described Tier 3 classes as-
"classes who are capable of being good at multiple things, but who /lack/ 'I win' buttons"
>>43471761
I wasn't saying that. I'm saying that Tiers in themselves are fundamentally flawed. In the link I posted previous there was a link to this article http://www.dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Dungeons_and_Dragons_Wiki:Same_Game_Test that uses various battle scenarios to determine the outcome. Considering that DnD for the most part is a war game, that also has some traveling and espionage action. It is fairly important to take in the account of how well classes perform in battle above all else.
As such, despite being "Tier 4" the charge barbarian/fighter would break the game due to dealing so much damage that HP relative to their level would simply not be a factor at all, and thus breaks the balancing act. Versus the various tricks that wizards have, but for the most part Wizards have stuff that is generally level appropriate for what they are going to encounter. Balance against monsters, not against other classes. Is what I'm saying here.
Isn't there some way for the partial initiators to still get 9th level maneuvers? Hidden Blade Rogue, specifically.
>>43471887
Whoops. No and no actually. Only recently started frequenting the dark corners of 4chan.
>>43471920
Lemme break that with one word. In fact, TWO of one word. You can pick either.
Divination.
Conjuration.
>>43471931
The advanced study feat actually, although you still need to meet the prerequisites. On the bright side, you can pick from any list.
>>43471920
"If it isn't Tier 1 it can't be broken" means that only Tier 1 classes have the capacity of being broken, something I already said was stupid. You're agreeing with me and you just didn't realize it.
>>43471442
trade his cha for wis, keep twf, then go thrashing dragon for hitting with both weapons. Be a stalker. You could also look at Steel Serpent for poison stuff.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/disciplines-and-maneuvers/steel-serpent-maneuvers
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/disciplines-and-maneuvers/thrashing-dragon-maneuvers
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/classes/stalker
here is the information for the stalker and thrashing dragon. You would get 9 maneuvers with 5 readied, and 2 stances. You could take up to 2nd level maneuvers.
I need some advice on multiclassing my ranger to make him better at fighting demons / evil people. I already have evil outsiders as my favoured enemy, but what other options do I have?
I mainly want to negate their damage reduction.
>>43471990
I'm not sure how it does that. Explain, please?
>>43472020
If you're ranged, grab Clustered Shots.
If you're melee, just fucking hit them more. Their DR is basically pointless.
>>43471941
Blah blah we are Anonymoose, blah blah do not forgive, do not forget. We're going to do a flash mob outside of your house next week to punish you for the smiley.Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it soon enough. Gareth is doing well enough at adapting, and he's even managing to maintain his professionalism at the same time!
>>43472049
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/feats#TOC-Advanced-Study-Combat-
Srd, to the rescue!
>>43471277
>"if it isn't Tier 1 it can't be broken"
Anyone familiar with the tier system would know this is patently false, as anything sitting in T2 is just as "broken" as anything in T1, it just can't be as many kinds of broken in any one build. Hell, even some classes in T3 can be broken, such as for instance alchemists with alchemical simulacrums given the fuckery its wording implicitly permits.
The tier system isn't perfect, but it's still a great tool for getting an idea of a classes capabilities at a glance.
>>43471920
>Considering that DnD for the most part is a war game, that also has some traveling and espionage action
This is just patently false.
>as such, despite being "Tier 4" the charge barbarian/fighter would break the game due to dealing so much damage that HP relative to their level would simply not be a factor at all, and thus breaks the balancing act.
This is even stupider, dealing big numbers does not automatically mean good at combat. The barbarian is better equipped to deliver his damage, along with his ability to deal A LOT of it, this is what sets him head-and-shoulders above the fighter, but even the barbarian can be stopped cold by a bit of rough terrain or an enemy with a trick up its sleeve.
Even scarier than the barbarian is the bard farting glitter at an enemy, the alchemist completely shitting on their action economy, or the magus *teleports behind you*-ing them and then landing a nasty combo of elemental and physical damage.
>>43467114
>Lem, halfling bard
Certainly not ugly, depending on the picture, but I wouldn't say attractive. 4/10
>Valeros, Taldan fighter
9/10, would bang. Pic related.
>Sajan, Vudrani monk
Really depends on the artist. 6/10
>Harsk, dwarven ranger
Not into bears, don't think we've seen him shirtless. 3/10
>Ezren, Taldan wizard
Looks great, considering his age and class, but not for me. 4/10
>Damiel, elven alchemist
Depends on the artist, but most draw him pretty well. 7/10
>Alain, Taldan cavalier
Consistently handsome are, would let him ride me into the sunset. 9/10
>Seltyiel, half-elf magus
Consistently good art, would bang. 9.5/10
>Balazar, gnome summoner
Uhhh...3/10
>Thean Tagonist, human antipaladin
No idea, we only see his shit-eating grin. ?/10
>Hayato, Tian-Min samurai
Same as antipaladin, but stoic. ?/10
>Crowe, Shoanti bloodrager
Not handsome, but I'm sure he knows what to do with his hammer. 6/10
>Quinn, Garundi (?) investigator
Mmm, yes daddy. 8/10
>Hakon, Ulfen skald
I can get into it, but we need more art. Tentative 6/10
>Zadim, Qadiran slayer
Need more shirtless art, but I see potential. Tentative 6/10
>Oloch, half-orc warpriest
Orcs can be hot, but we haven't seen it in Oloch. Tentative 4/10
>Erasmus, Varisian medium
Not ugly, but his look is very striking. 6/10.
>Meligaster, halfling mesmerist
Same as his brother, 4/10
>Mavaro, Varisian occultist
Nope. 3/10
Daily reminder that pow does too much damage
>>43472049
>If you're melee, just fucking hit them more. Their DR is basically pointless.
Particularly if you have them as a Favored Enemy. You'll be blasting through most DR pretty easily. You could also use a wand of Named Bullet for some extra punch, assuming you can buff a few arrows pre-combat. The duration's pretty long, so it shouldn't be an issue.
>>43472020
Consider not multiclassing and using a Holy weapon instead. Problem solved.
>>43472114
You don't actually know what a bard or Barbarian does. How much does a barb do on a charge at level one?
>>43472207
*level ten
What's a good AP for a first time GM? One of the players has like a thing against doing rise of the runelords
Arcane Archer or Horizon Walker?
>>43472236
That depends, what are you trying to do?
Does anyone know where I can play Pathfinder online?
>>43472236
Horizon Walker is obviously the real answer, but the better question is whether you want to enter as a Ranger or a Rogue.
>>43472270
>>43472282
Not 100% sure, I'm just about able to enter into either as my ranger.
>>43472280
Roll20, or search /tg/ for a group finding thread.
