What's the roleplaying scene like in North Korea?
Any funny stories?
>>44564116
Shit sucks. There is only one class and it's Glorious Leader. So fucking overpowered. Also the MC always turns into BBEG
>>44564116
Yes!
>Three guys got together at the ministry of information
>One guy brought D&D
>to examine for political subversion, he said
>Guy 2 played a Cleric of Juche
>Killed everyone who wasn't North Korean
>Except he allowed one peasant to escape
>Guy 3 shot and executed and Guy 2 in the ministry building
>GM executed Guy 3 for not following Party orders
>GM got executed the following day for not get the right signature on book import order
>Fun times were had by all, would totally play again
No stats, just "Reverence to Leader"
Whoever has the least points in it at game's end gets summarily executed.
And we laugh about this shit but there's people right now in cramped flooded box-sized prisons and entire families being tortured because the uncle once broke a minor law.
You don't need to do this thred everyday.
Especially considering it sparked so little interest the first time.
>>44564191
Kekd but not checked
>>44564201
>And we laugh about this shit
We laugh about it because to accept the reality would be to cry for hours. There's nothing anyone can do about NK now that they have nukes.
>>44564116
No funny stories. They have only one DM and it's a That DM who forces everyone to live in his magical realm.
>>44564116
cute korean.
Why do the south koreans look so shit in comparison?
Or am I missing something?
>>44564250
HOLY FUCK
KJU should be execute on grounds of egregious railroading
>>44564233
>We laugh about it because to accept the reality would be to cry for hours.
Yeah, I know. sorry, I didn't mean to point fingers or anything.
Just gets to me a bit sometimes y'know? Mutual political backpatting and countries being standoffish preventing good things being done to save innocent people. It's always the bigger picture stepping on the smallfry.
>>44564233
>>44564384
>NK
>Nukes
NK doesn't have shit. It has China, who prefers NK's stupidity to a genuine western democractic competitor or puppet of the US to get up in their grill. NK continues to exist only because 1. It would kill a lot of innocent people going down and 2. China, as much as they're embarassed/annoyed by them, prefers them to the US having a power base in the area.
>>44564409
That said, even China is starting to get sick of their shit.
>>44564442
They are, but they are unlikely to do anything unless NK steps WAY out of line, because that would mean admitting being wrong and the party can never do that and is in it's own hot water at home. Un would have to bite the hand that feeds, at which point China would roll the fuck over him and annex NK
>>44564211
>forgetting your admin tripcode when you post
Embarrassing
>>44564485
This takes me back to that game Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction, where you were a merc dropped into NK and made to juggle relationships with the assorted factions trying to carve out a piece while you rampaged alongside UN peacekeepers to take down bounties. The factions included the South Koreans (with US backing) trying to reunify, the Chinese trying to take over, and the Russian mob trying to make all the money.
Now there's a game.
>>44564591
Shame about the sequel
>>44564116
>dat north korean ass
>i'd invade her demilitarized zone
>i'd join her party
>i'd long march between her legs
>>44564255
North Koreans can't afford bad plastic surgery.
>>44564613
The sequel was weak, but it had a fucking great theme song.
>>44564255
No plastic surgery + any NK female you're allowed to see has been selected and possibly bred to be attractive and docile to serve the govt and it's leaders.
>>44564728
The theme song is corny and stupid but a guilty pleasure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEbE3fGfF-o
>>44564255
Kim Jung Il literally banished all of the short people in his country to one island because he hated how short he was.
What do you think he did to people whose faces he didn't like?
>>44564255
Propaganda.
>>44564116
The whole country is one massive RP group, with the way the government misleads everyone.
>>44564761
Shouldn't he have banished the tall people?
>>44564785
Then he would have to either admit he's a manlet or banish himself.
>>44564729
>selected and possibly bred to be attractive and docile
When will they hit the shelves?
>>44564812
only available in NK anon. Grass fed.
get it it's a joke because people have no food so they eat bags of grass
>>44564785
>North Korea
>Tall people
>>44564677
Try it and she'll probably bite it off for the meat.
>>44564785
To the contrary, one of his prized possessions was a basketball signed by MJ. He just wanted to make North Koreans taller on average.
>>44564847
Speaking of grass, do you know weed grows fucking everywhere in NK? Literally fields of the shit growing willy-nilly on the roadsides.
There's one explanation why everybody doesn't revolt.
>>44565048
>yfw it's just hemp
How's the roleplaying scene like in Somalia? In Syria? In Israel? In Cuba? In the Ukraine? (any dystopian shithole I've missed?)
>>44565324
>Israel
>Dystopian shithole
Do you really think anyone believes that?
>>44565324
>Somalia
Here in North Somalia (a.k.a. Sweden) the scene is pretty alive and well.
>>44565356
>militant apartheid theocracy in constant war for half a century
Sunshines and bunnies, I'm sure
>>44564116
>>Playing with manlets
>>44565400
>Sunshines and bunnies, I'm sure
Kinda is, actually.
>>44565511
Not pictured: the colonization of the Gaza Strip and the attempted genocide of the Palestinian people.
>>44565609
Fun fact: the life expectancy of Palestinians has been steadily increasing for as long as the occupation, as has their education levels and general quality of life.
>>44565648
So it's only between the Imperium and the Tau empire. Image of benevolence.
>>44565356
It's a dystopian shithole if you're not descended from jewish immigrants. If you're Christian or a Semitic Jew whose family has lived there since the dawn of time, it's a horrible place to live.
>>44565756
All non-Jews are trespassing on the rightful home of the Israeli people. They deserve everything they get.
>>44565756
>Semitic Jew
I know what you're trying to say, you're just wrong. The Palestinians are Semitic. They are not, however, and never were Jewish. It is debatable whether they may, at one point in history, have been HEBREWS, but that's exceedingly unlikely.
>>44565820
Nice meme JIDF
>>44566092
Go back to /pol/
>>44565400
It's militant because it kept getting invaded by its Muslim neighbours, who literally want to genocide all the Jews.
And it's a democracy, with voting rights for everyone. Saudi Arabia and Iran are theocracies.
You're an ignorant dickwad.
>>44566431
And you're a JIDF shill. Fuck you.
>>44566092
>>44566482
>>44565609
How are the Jews so great at everything else and yet so unable to kill all the Palestinians, as they allegedly wish to?
>>44565756
Israel is the ONLY place in the Middle East where Arab Muslims have full civil, religious and democratic rights.
>>44564798
>Manlet
>Implying Glorious Leader is not the optimum height and that those so called "tall" people are not just grotesque streched out morlocks
>>44566594
The courage of the heroic Palestinian people, of course.
>>44566615
Jews don't respect the local Muslim culture.
>>44566643
>Jews don't respect the local Muslim culture.
I hear they've banned stoning gays and everything, the bastards.
>>44566643
I don't like jews as much as the next guy, but the local culture is wife beating and goat fucking. There's so reason to respect it.
>>44564116
I hear that Juche: the Collectivization is still going strong.
>>44564677
>dat north korean ass
What ass?
>>44566716
>I don't like jews as much as the next guy,
/pol/ or liberal?
>>44566675
>>44566716
Tell me more about how you mutilate babies, Mr JIDF.
>>44565462
>6'4" -> 5'11" -> 6'0"
>will they ever learn
But seriously, this is what happens when you grow up with lousy nutrition.
>>44566850
human
>>44566884
Ah, /pol/. To be expected. The left at least has the decency to be ashamed and to hide their antisemitism.
>>44566855
Do you hate America and Britain for Hiroshima and Dresden too, or are your standards unique for Jewish states?
>>44564591
Excellent taste.
>>44566917
Literally the only people that DON'T hate jews are jews and neocons.
>>44566917
The quality of public discourse has been lowered so much that neither the left nor the right feel any shame in what they say. It's no longer about the message, it's about the venue and surrounding yourself with as many like-minded people so you'll never be challenged on a point.
>/tg/ - Traditional Games
>>44566594
Or... they don't wish to. You figured it out yourself. It doesn't make sense. If they wanted the Palestinians dead, they could've finished the job a bajillion times over in the past two years alone. Ergo, they don't want to kill the Palestinians, and now you're going to need to find another politically correct excuse for your antisemitism.
>>44566941
>the only people that DON'T hate jews are jews
Wrong.
>>44567089
Fancy robes. You a wizard or something?
>>44566941
So... just neocons.
>>44567089
What's the difference? Aren't those the dudes from Fiddler on the Roof?
>>44567016
It's a matter of "Which war crime can we get away with, quick genocide or slow settlement of occupied territory?"
>antisemitism
Old meme.
>>44567145
I suppose the Holocaust is just a "meme" to you as well, right?
Honestly it's pathetic how cucked the Israelis are in the conflict.
But I suppose we knew that since the Gaza pullout.
>>44567145
>quick genocide or slow settlement of occupied territory
So, the same way every nation in history since about the stone age was founded?
>>44565356
I think he meant in the open air prisons of Gaza and West Bank.
>>44566917
hahaha spotted the shill
>>44567183
Being the victims of genocide doesn't entitle you to create one of your own.
>>44565511
So long as you are of the right ethnic-religious group, it is always sunshine and bunnies. So vacation in Israel with your travel agency, APARTHEID ADVENTURES!
>>44564409
Really, it's the fact that South Korea doesn't want reunification anymore.
Adding so many unskilled, starved and politically unpredictable people to their country would fuck up everything. It would be like if the US suddenly got 40 more Alabama.
Hell, Germany was fucked up by reunification and East Germany was the most advanced and prosperous nation behind the iron curtain.
>>44567270
It's not genocide, it's pest removal. Muslims are vermin that need to be removed from the holy land.
>>44564150
>There is only one class
First post and already some Anglo bitch ass who doesn't know about Juche.
There are three classes that can play - Peasant, Worker and Intellectual and the individual families within those classes are rated in accordance with their political reliability.
If you're the descendant of a south korean prisoner who was stranded in the north after the war, you're basically the monk in D&D-terms.
>>44567333
>Adding so many unskilled, starved and politically unpredictable people to their country would fuck up everything. It would be like if the US suddenly got 40 more Alabama.
I read just this line and thought you were still talking about Israel
>>44567242
Gaza is a shithole because Israel pulled out. The real Palestinian concentration camps are in the Arab states, where generations of Palestinians have been kept in refugee camps instead of being allowed to integrate.
>>44564116
Don't know how it's now, but in the last edition, you could play a giant robot.
>>44566941
Israel is basically a bunch of Slavs going in and killing a lot of semites. They then got comfy in their new positions of power and discriminated against all non-slav Jews and non-jewish semites.
So saying that Jews don't hate on Jews is denying the fundament Israel was founded on.
>>44567016
If they outright shoah'd the palestinians, the jig would be up.
>>44567362
Well hell, that would be the effect of a single state solution.
>>44567446
Unless the Palestinians were moved the the Palestinian state that already exists, Jordan, as should have been done decades ago.
>>44567333
It's rather ironic, since before the Korean War South Korea was doing worse than its northern counterpart. After the war, North Korea was more fucked up, and South Korea's decade or so under a dictatorship allowed it to build a strong economic base for when it made a peaceful switch to a democracy.
>>44567479
>Just deport them!
Get a load of Donald Trump over here.
>>44567376
>We've long since pulled out of Gaza. *Mows the grass*
>>44567516
It's funny because Netanyahu and the entire Knesset condemned Donald Trump for wanting to put a moratorium on muslim immigration. It's almost like they have some sort of double standard.
>>44565820
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4pKMV6e5kEo
I love this video
>>44567584
More like they're cucks who care less for Israel than Trump does for America.
Which really shows had badly off Israel is.
>>44567660
So the winner is... Dio De Los Muertos?
>>44567660
>equivocating between Israel and their would-be murderers
>>44564409
If China has any involviment in North Korea still being a thing is because nobody, including China, wants China to have a border with an US quasi puppet like South Korea.
It is in everyone's best interest, except North Koreans, that North Korea remains a buffer state.
>>44567866
>equivocating between Palestine and their would-be murderers
Good goy.
>>44567898
You mean every other nation in the Middle East except for the Israelis? You do know that Palestinians were slaughtered by the millions everywhere else, right? Life for them may not be happy in Israel, but at least they get to live. They could've gotten more, but every time there's a shade of a chance that they might, they blow it up (oftentimes literally).
>>44567660
The Middle East should still be run by Britain and France, except where it's civilised enough to be independent.
>>44568037
I didn't realize imperialism was still a thing.
>>44568001
>Israel a good boy! He dindu nufffin!
>>44567089
It cracks me up that there are no serious replies to this. The Israeli supporters never have a response to the fact that Hassidic and Orthodox Jews vehemently oppose Israel. It kind of blows apart their whole "IF YOU OPPOSE ISRAEL YOU MUST BE A JEW HATING NEONAZI!" tactic.
What the fuck does the current Jew discussion have to do with /tg/?
/pol/ has threads for this.
>>44568037
You're kind of shooting yourself in the leg here, unless your definition of "civilized" is radically different than normal. By most people's definition, that would mean... pretty much Israel. POSSIBLY Jordan. That's about it.
>>44568037
>except where it's civilised enough to be independent.
404
>>44568109
The Israelis hate them all the same. Go on /pol/ once and enter a thread about Israeli ultra-orthodox. They don't serve in the army, pay very little taxes, have enormous families that live off welfare, breed super fast and many of them are actively opposed to the government (while taking welfare from it). The Israelis hate them a lot more passionately than they do the Palestinians.
>>44568124
Someone called Israel a "dystopian shithole" and it all snowballed from there.
>>44568138
Shooting myself in the leg? That's exactly what I had in mind.
>>44568109
I believe there's a growing Orthodox population in Israel that is very much in line with Netanyahu's party and may even be further afield in that political direction. I don't know how percentages fall but a friend who takes a trip to Israel every year tells me she sees noticeably more and more of them each time.
>>44567874
Sadly, this.
I read something a few years ago that said both cultures have changed drastically, to the point that young South Koreans don't really give a damn about the North. Yeah they may have a shared history and they might have some family up there, but for the most part their attitude is fuck those NK bumpkins.
>>44568109
>Jews can't be antisemitic
Do you think there are no male feminists either?
>>44568174
It's a bit more complex that. Contrary to popular belief, Zionism was both founded and for most of its existence has been led by SECULAR Jews. However, in order to found a state in modern day Israel (then Palestine), they knew they had to have the support of most of the Jewish population in the Diaspora, much of which was highly-religious. In order to get it, the Zionists had to make lots and lots and lots of promises, including an entire body of laws which essentially guaranteed certain facets of Israeli society will be forever dominated by religious authorities (which is why Israel is the unique, unhealthy combination of theocracy and democracy it technically is - the secular parts of the government are democratic but due to the Zionist promises of the late 19th century, part of the government will always be made up of the clergy). This problem has been exacerbated over the years as Israeli culture diverged further from Jewish culture-religion (used to be, there wasn't much a difference), leading them to develop different and conflicting values (for example, Israelis hold army service to be incredibly important, but the religious Jews, due to creative interpretation of the Talmud, believe that it is their DUTY to not serve in any function except religious functions so long as they can get away with it, which DUE TO THE VERY DEMOCRATIC NATURE OF THE STATE they can, by living off welfare). Furthermore: since Israel is technically a democracy, whichever segment of the population is the fastest breeding will have the greatest hold over who wins the elections, since they'd be able to pool more votes into them... And that segment happens to be, you guessed it, the ultra-orthodox.
>>44568380
Oy vey this seems like a sticky situation. Got any advice for us goy?
>>44566594
Because for all the shit the US is willing to put up with from them, the Line is drawn at open declaration of genocide and without US support Israel would get its shit kicked in
>>44568350
That and the probably 30 years of economic ruin form trying to develop the north.
>>44568355
>a feminist is someone who hates men
Oh, Internet.
>>44568380
>the religious Jews, due to creative interpretation of the Talmud, believe that it is their DUTY to not serve in any function except religious functions so long as they can get away with it, which DUE TO THE VERY DEMOCRATIC NATURE OF THE STATE they can, by living off welfare
To elaborate: Talmudic wisdom says "Bread before the Torah", meaning that a man should only dedicate themselves to spiritual matters (which, in Judaism, is considered the highest honor and greatest pleasure) if they can first guarantee that they and their family won't starve. This rule, made up back in the days of the Diaspora where most Jews were skin-and-bones poor and disenfranchised, is actually pretty reasonable - but modern ultra-Orthodox have taken it to mean that, IF ONE CAN GUARANTEE THAT THEIR FAMILIES WON'T STARVE, then they MUST dedicate themselves entirely to spiritual work. Back in Diaspora days, this couldn't have happened but handily, modern democracies allow for people to guarantee their families won't starve even if they don't do any real work at all... by applying for unemployment monies. Therefore, a massive and growing segment of the Israeli population sees itself as religiously obliged not to contribute to society and leech off of it while they can. Since they breed so fast (and hold so many votes) that no politician who tries to change this would ever be elected, the cycle continues and the problem worsens.
>>44568512
So ironically, the ultra-orthodox of Israel are the closest any Jew has ever come in history to the subversive parasite stereotype of Nazi propaganda... and the Israelis are powerless to stop them, because that'd entail blowing up their own country politically.
>>44564409
Why doesn't China turn it into a competent Chinese-friendly power-base then?
>>44568476
>That and the probably 30 years of economic ruin form trying to develop the north.
Samsung and Hyundai HI are probably foaming at the mouth thinking of all the contracts and the cheap manpower they could get.
>>44568571
You are correct. China will just draw from its long and enviable history of effective nation-building.lol
>>44568635
Well, if they're the superpower they like to claim to be...
>>44568380
Create a second Jewish state that is officially theocratic and make Israel fully secular (and still Jewish).
>>44568573
South Korean companies looking for rock bottom labor costs already have all the cheap labor they want, in the Kaesong Industrial Region. In fact, they pay FAR less per worker than South Korean minimum wage laws allow.
>>44568350
Even the language has developed so far apart that South-Koreans have trouble understanding North-Koreans.
>>44568478
>antisemite is also feminist apologist
Surprise surprise.
>>44568676
The ultra-Orthodox would never agree to it. Why would they? The current situation is, for them, perfect (much as they adore to complain about it and cry "The government has become worse than the Naziiiiiiis!" every two days when someone dares say something they don't fully agree with): they don't work, they don't serve in the army, they hold a great deal of political power, and they still get welfare money. They moan and cry and whine about the political power they don't get (and call the rest of the Israelis ungrateful monsters for receiving the "benefits of their constant prayer" while still allowing for things like women who wear pants and for it to be legal to drive on the Sabbath), but everyone knows they'd never trade what they have for independence. After all, if there was no secular Israeli population to work, they couldn't get their welfare from anywhere. They'd have to work on their own. That terrifies them.
>>44568796
Don't give them a choice: create the new state, turn Israel secular, and let them choose where they want to live. Either they get to make their own rules and support themselves or they live under secular Jewish rule without special treatment.
>>44568796
It's the same problem with NEET philosophy. NEETs love making fun of "wagecucks" and "wageslaves" who work every day and net earn a pitiful amount of money so that some fatbeard who faked autism could sit on their ass all day playing video games, but everyone knows that "if everyone were to act like that" everyone would starve. For social parasites to exist, someone needs to work. It's part of what makes it so conceptually despicable.
>>44568571
There might still be some bad blood between the Koreans and the Chinese. I know Kim Il Sung did not trust them, because he was nearly killed as part of a huge purge of Koreans in Manchuria who were suspected as being Japanese spies. Not to mention, North Korean leaders are extreme nationalists - they probably wouldn't allow China to change their country without a fight.
>>44565511
Went there once. Young people were just as bad as the average American, save for the occassional super-religious types. Didn't have a good time until i hit up a Bar and got into an politican argument with some old men. Would love to go back before the young cunts take over, the old people die and it crashes and burns just like the rest of civilization.
>>44565103
This. It's used for rope.
>>44568862
So abolish the welfare state then. No more NEETs, right?
What's that, you don't want to? You want all the institutions that take money from workers and give them to NEETs?
Well there you go, wish granted, statist.
>>44568839
They tried that a few years ago, in small scale. I won't go into the complexities of it (and God knows there were COMPLEXITIES), but basically the Israelis (the secular government, that is) cancelled a part of the law that exempted the ultra-Orthodox from army service. Now, only a tiny (compared to how it used to be) percentage of ultra-Orthodox youths is exempt from conscription - the rest are considered like normal Israelis (meaning they will go to jail if they don't serve in the army). The ultra-Orthodox population united like it's almost never before in making a fuss about it, rioting, blocking roads, filling the internet with provocative videos comparing the Israeli government to the Nazis (it would've been a lot more shocking if they hadn't already used that weapon every single other time), etc. etc. Rabbis issues religious edicts calling ultra-Orthodox youths to "resist the tyranny" and to "defy the destroyers of the Jewish race" by doing anything rather than join the army (chaining themselves to fences, going to jail and so on). Many would lie down on the ground and dare military police to "drag them to recruitment office and put the uniform on them, because they aren't moving".
Unfortunately for the ultra-Orthodox, the IDF is kind of experienced with this kind of behavior... the active resistance ultimately failed. Unfortunately for the IDF, their attempts at prettifying the situation by acting democratic about it ended up shooting them in the leg again: part of the deal was that ultra-Orthodox soldiers will serve in the army UNDER THE APPROPRIATE CONSIDERATIONS. That meant that, out of respect for their way of life, new mess halls serving only truly Kosher food had to be created, entire units had to be invented, broken down or rearranged to prevent ultra-Orthodox boys from serving near women (considered indecent), the entire brass structure had to be redesigned to accommodate them... [cont.]
>>44569021
...so the end result is that ultra-Orthodox soldier offer minimal contribution to the war effort, but their inclusion in the army costs the army untold billions and reduces efficiency. And the army can't "take backsies", because they were so violent about it in the first place. They'd look like idiots and lose their position in future negotiations. The ultra-Orthodox had the last laugh, most of their youths find illegal ways to avoid conscription anyway (and the military police is a lot more lenient with them, only giving token effort to bringing them in because the truth is, they don't want them either), they still live off welfare and the government is less inclines to try and include them in society.
>>44569019
>So abolish the welfare state then
Unemployment benefits should be really time-limited, yes.
>>44568869
>There might still be some bad blood between the Koreans and the Chinese
Understatement.
>>44569021
>>44569068
So it's Jewish [r9k], essentially?
>>44564230
Then check those
>>44569021
>>44569068
You can't just make Israel secular like that. The religious Jewish state needs to exist first, so that there's an alternative to either accepting secular rule or protesting. Otherwise you're putting the ultra-Orthodox in exactly the position they were in before Israel existed, where there was no state they could live by their own morals in.
A state can only exist where there's a nation. Where society is divided by two majorly different views of morality and justice, you need two states.
>>44569109
I won't pretend I know shit about Asian cultures. I can't be sure if any of that hate has been eroded by at least similar governments on paper, or having some shared rivals or enemies.
>>44564677
Long march was the PRC, not North Korea
>>44569160
Not the same anon, but I think this is the part where what he referred to as the "Zionist promises" comes into play. Israel is supposed to be a home for ALL of the world's Jews, regardless of their level of religiosity. Since those "Zionist promises" form a big part of the Israeli equivalent of the constitution... The ultra-orthodox can go "MUH CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS" if they feel like they don't get their part of it. Being asked to go anywhere else would, by those promises, be considered just that.
Of course, the same guys always try to deny an Israeli citizenship to prospective immigrants who aren't from their exact sect/ethnic sub-group in the claim that they aren't "really" Jewish, so double standards are flying all over.
>>44568895
Fuck, aren't you just a ray of sunshine today, Mr. Negative.
>>44569021
>>44569068
>>44569122
>>44569160
>>44569246
It's worth noting that the book World War Z describes an Israeli secular near complete purge of the ultra orthodox as a step towards Israel becoming a regional and global superpower.
>>44569246
Ye gods, they're worse than the Deep Dwarves.
I came into this thread hoping for pics of cute nork girls but got a bunch of autistic israel/palestine bullshit instead. feels bad man.
>>44569122
How's that like r9k?
>>44567271
Which ethnic group is that? Jews and Arabs are both semites. The only difference is religion and culture.
It's hardly apartheid. Arabs who accepted Israeli citizenship have full rights and are even exempt from compulsory military service.
There's probably been one or two actual IDF dudes on /tg/ in the history of 4chan, with the other 99.9% being successful trolls. It's like starting a WE WUZ KINGZ discussion on World Star.
>>44569287
All the cute girls were taken by the Glorious Leader.
>>44566850
>/pol/ or liberal?
Can anyone tell the difference these days?
>>44569301
Kicking and screaming when asked to do some actual work for once sounds pretty [r9k] to me.
>>44567114
Neocon is just a euphemism for Jew. How many people can seriously explain the history of the neoconservative movement in a way that would hold any water for more than 30 seconds?
>>44569302
The Israeli Jews comprise a number of ethnic subgroups, the most politically powerful and culturally dominant among which (the Ashkenazi) is ironically the farthest away from what may have at one point been the biblical Judeans. Genetically speaking, they are a little bit Turkish, a little bit German, a large bit Slavic, and very inbred. We forgive them, because they make superb scientists, politicians, and economists, and through some miracle of genetics their women have tremendous boobs.
>>44566615
That's bluntly absurd and you know it.
>>44569343
What's r9k?
>>44567270
A genocide that isn't happening. All your posts are that the Jews are trying to do it, intending to do it, will do it some day, have a sneaky plan to do it... But it's not actually happening, and never has been. So all you have left are claims that it will happen someday.
The top killers and oppressors of the Palestinians are and always have been #1 themselves, and #2 other arab muslims. Israel's withdrawn completely from Gaza and mostly from the west bank, the palestinians still get hundreds of millions of dollars from the EU and USA, and *still* they massacre one another and are destroying their own land.
And the best they've got to show for it are some campus fascists and the ISIS Appreciation Society on 4chan.
>>44569276
Seems to me you need some other things to become a superpower. Population, natural resources, and land spring immediately to mind. We're talking about a geographical area smaller than most individual American states...
>>44566431
It's a militant theocracy commiting frequent human rights abuses with a sham democracy.
The fact that they have to become monstrous to survive is irrelevant, they are not a culture anyone should be looking to defend.
>>44567397
>I get all my news from al Jazeera.
Pack some lube. If you and your friends An Hero, those 72 virgins you'll be fucking in valhalla are each other.
>>44569443
Eugenics, man. Yet another thing the Jews have gotten figured out a millennium before everyone else. Some Jews back in the 8th century decided that the most important traits were mathematical and logical ability (expressed through being a successful theologian-scientist, lawyer or merchant), and ever since then they've been breeding based on those only. That they've bred out shit like empathy and human emotions out of their gene pool has been intentional and seen as acceptable.
>>44569516
>It's a militant theocracy commiting frequent human rights abuses with a sham democracy.
In what way is Israel a sham democracy ?
>>44569543
That's not true. Jews descend from the Reptilians, just like the Rothschilds and the House of Windsor. Ever wonder why so many of them have frequent visits by plastic surgeons?
>>44569068
>>44569021
>>44568380
>>44568512
>>44568570
Wow.
If all that is true, and it certainly seems true from other shit that I've seen, then just wow. How do you even fix something like that? Its so fucked up on the social level that you half expect to see the Vaultec logo appear on it. It's almost like someone engineered a problem to be as shitty as shittily possible. It's almost beautiful to behold.
>>44569615
You need to use the word "cucks" more. Like, about every other word. Otherwise, your post is perfect.
>>44567340
>It's not genocide, it's pest removal. Jews are vermin that need to be removed from the Fatherland.
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>>44569668
Anon shill posts, then posts his own parody of himself. Bravo, that was all too easy.
>>44569637
>It's almost like someone engineered a problem to be as shitty as shittily possible.
Of course it's engineered. The presence of Israel causes enormous social and political instability across the entire middle east. It's a huge boon to any number of major governments, which is why Israel receives such lavish political and military support.
>>44569122
it invites me to rape and pillage them.
I am sure schlomo would't mind if I rape and pillage the r9k of his society.
>>44569246
Zionism was based on a premise that we can in retrospect see was flawed: that all Jews can form a single nation. Since they can't, we need a new revision of Zionism that supports two Jewish states side by side, a secular and a religious homeland.
As long as there is a single Jewish state, Israel will be forced to try to keep two sets of promises which we now see are incompatible in a single nation.
>>44568570
Hitler must be laughing in his grave
>>44569756
That'd be the equivalent of telling the Americans that the government's finally declared that the constitution is no longer relevant and intends to rewrite it. Watch it burn.
>>44568380
dude
israel was founded after ww2
it has never existed in th 19th century
>>44569819
Hitler doesn't have a grave.
>>44568676
>fully secular (and still Jewish)
thats not how it works
>>44569708
>the presence of Israel causes enormous social and political instability across the entire middle east
>implying muslims are able to have social and political stability in the first place.
>>44569896
I'm referring to Zionism, not Israel. The exact date the movement started is up to debate but most would place Theodor Herzel's (it's founder) most important establishing acts around the end of the 19th century.
>>44569932
History would seem to disagree with you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire
I wish threads on /pol/ would be this good. It's got the right mix of ad-hominem attacks, informative posts and memes.
>>44569847
But the Israeli secular majority are the ones who would be doing the rewriting.
And the process can be very gradual, as it comes to be accepted that Israel is secular and there is a different state for theocratic rule.
>>44569690
I only posted the second. Swear it
>>44570036
>Muslims can only live in harmony when under a strong state with no political freedoms
So turn the Arab world back into colonies then.
>>44569970
Theodor Herzel (a secular, Ashkenazi Jew, and thus possessed of the same schizophrenic view of the religion typical to the kind - it's a religion when it is, and an ethnicity when it is, but sometimes it's not, except when it's both) was an Austrian reporter during the 19th century who became convinced of the necessity of the foundation of a Jewish country after being asked to report on the court martial of a Jewish officer (whom, it was widely agreed, was falsely accused as a scapegoat and treated very harshly), combined with him noticing the beginning of troubling trends on the one hand and inspired by the new concept of nationalism on the other, convinced him that Jews would have no other place. He went on to write two of the most important Zionist works in history, including (or in addition to, depending on your interpretation) what was essentially a science fiction book, Altneuland ("New Old Land"), describing his vision for a Jewish state in the Middle East. It is interesting to note that in Herzl's utopian vision, the Jewish state was secular (again, with the weird Ashkenazi approach), culturally GERMANIC (but with Jewish influences), spoke German, and incorporated the local Muslim populations as an official kind of second class citizens (though admittedly, back in the day the concept was a lot more acceptable). More substantially, after doing so Herzl dedicated his life to working towards making his dream possible, traveling across the breadth of Europe and the Middle East, meeting and dealing with various world and religious leaders in order to get political, financial and ultimately military support. It was his negotiations with both the British and the Ottomans which ended up with the former promising Palestine to the Zionists (without bothering to mention they've also promised it to the Ottomans, and to themselves via a deal with the French), which kicked off a lot of the current mess.
>>44570054
It's not about whether the secular/reasonable/moderate majority want it but if they are willing to do something about it.
It's like with the Muslim extremists. They aren't getting shit done because millions say yes but because millions don't want to say no.
>>44570053
/tg/ is one of the best boards on 4chan, or the internet for that matter. We can have almost any kind of thread and there is reasonably good discussion.
Can you imagine how /pol/ would react to a /tg/ thread? Would not be pretty.
>>44564409
You forgot South Korea. They have no means to shoulder a reunification. Keeping NK alive is far cheaper for them.
>>44570087
I think the present arrangement works fine.
We get the benefit of their natural resources and don't have to take responsibility for any of their societal bullshit.
It's always interesting to see how much and exactly what Israel can achieve, in spite and because of being such a study in how a state should not be ran.
>>44570137
Even that stability's threatened now. The Israelis found a bunch of the largest natural gas bubbles on Earth right inside their territory at see. At the moment, their government's falling over itself due to a hilarious case of internal corruption (long story short: every single fucking body tried cheating every single fucking body else out of the money, and everyone's wrenches ended up in everyone's gears) and nobody can actually EARN anything much from it, but if they got their shit together that amount of gas could turn Israel into an energy producer on par with Saudi Arabia. Think a moment of how terrifying that would be to the political balance in the region.
>>44570151
If the foreign aid stopped I'm pretty sure that it would implode.
>>44570127
>They have no means to shoulder a reunification.
reunification wouldn't be expensive, we aren't talking about German-tier reunification, the Koreans wouldn't rebuild anything not profitable.
>>44570203
>>44570203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syrw8SUbXaE
>>44570209
Not actually true. Foreign aid does make up a significant amount of the Israeli national budget, but in relative terms, it's not large. The Israeli populace would certainly not have an easy time if it were stopped (at least the poorer parts of it), but for the most part, little would change. If anything, the ones who'd implode (and I mean "the entire population will die of thirst in a matter of weeks") without foreign aid are the Palestinians, who generally speaking tend to get the shorter end of any stick that passes through he Middle East the past two centuries.
>>44570263
In a contents of short stuck end for middle eastern groups who do you think has had it worse
Palestinians
or
Kurds
>>44570203
>lessening Saudi power
It would be all for the better.
>>44567479
>Be palestinian
>your family lived here for centuries
>the jewish palestinians next door are your bro's
>some european jews come along
>say that was always their land
>don't even speak the language, just make one up
>fuck someone gave them weapons
>try to defend my home
>mfw when branded terrorist
>lose my home
>everything gets destroyed and a jewish-only colony gets built atop
>>44570203
Meh.
Worst case scenario Israel butts heads with Putin and we get a classic 60's style proxy war.
Remember that the whole POINT of Israel is to destabilize the region.
>>44570263
You forgot to mention a lot of that aid comes from Israel itself. You can argue that it's in order to keep up appearances in front of the UN, but many people still don't realize that the Israelis literally supply Gaza with most of its electricity and water. If they really wanted to KILL all the Gazans, they could do it by closing a tap AND LITERALLY SAVE ENERGY. Arafat tried creating a local infrastructure for Palestinian utilities, but after his death Hamas got in power and in order to stay in it, have consistently had to pour all of their aid monies into producing weapons to wave menacingly at the Israelis (since they don't actually want a war, but the population does, except that most of it doesn't... the political situation there is nearly as fucked as in Israel).
>>44570104
Well they're stuck, because as long as there's one state, doing anything about it means breaking the promise of Zionism to the religious Jews and giving them no home. So of course the majority won't do it.
But once there's a religious state, Zionism will no longer promise religious rule in Israel. Israelis can turn their state secular without betraying the ultra-Orthodox, with the knowledge that Israel is the home secular Jewish nation.
That's why it all hinges on getting that second state existing.
>>44570375
But how would there be a religious state if the orthodox don't want to move into it, because they'd lose the benefit of welfare?
>>44570343
>>Be palestinian
>>your family lived here for centuries
In the 30 there was massive Arab immigration to the Land of Israel, so that's probably not true.
And even as a more recent immigrant than the Jews you're trying to supplant, you still get full rights including democracy (unlike any Arab nation) and get to keep your property in Israel.
In any Arab nation, you'd be put in a concentration camp, and your descendents would be kept there till the present day.
>>44568054
It never left.
>>44564116
Is that pic real or shopped?
>>44570406
They would have to have a reason to declare it that's bigger than their desire for subsidies from the secular Jews, and would have to have the political will to choose it over the special treatment.
>>44568037
France is almost as fucked as Israel meng...
>>44568478
>a antisemite is someone who hates semites
Guess what Israelis and Palestinians both are?
>>44570375
So to solve the problems in the middle east caused by the Jews your idea is to carve out for the Jews a second country?
Oh gee, I wonder who's behind this idea Solomon.
>>44570505
Britain and Israel then.
>>44570103
And his best friend was the third Reich.
Eliminated opposing groups in Europe. And gave every jew who migrated to Palestina better terms "We only take 50% of your shit, not everything!"
The Zionists on the other side blocked an attempted trading sanction against the Nazis...
>>44570505
France doesn't let paedophiles run amok because arresting them would be racist. Nor letting kids chant allahu ackbar in the streets. Britain is way down the shitter compared to France.
>>44570263
That. Israel is technically self-sufficient. The problem is that the technical term for self-sufficiency doesn't take into account being attacked by eight nearby countries simultaneously, which is what would happen if Israel were to lose its international support. The Israeli military-industrial complex, while stupendously huge in relative terms, is not nearly enough to withstand that... using conventional weapons. In such a scenario, Israel may be forced to go nuclear (assuming it cannot withstand the assault for more than a few weeks, like happened in 1973 - the year WWIII very nearly started). It'd be a dangerous situation.
>>44569471
Not completely true. Israel is activly forcing the Palestinians back while fucking with them.
The wall around Gaza? Build inside Gaza + a no-go zone infront, thus limiting the area of gaza even more.
Water: Israelist get 10 times as much as Palestinians.
Someone wants to help the Palestinians? Kick them out of the country!
Israel is more passive aggressive than many others, but it works damn well.
>>44570103
Herzl's idea of a Jewish utopia was more or less "Nazi Germany, churches replaced with synagogues".
>>44570218
Dude neither did we germans.
And it still fucked us up. While having 8 times the people the DDR had.
SK has 2,5 times the people of NK. And the infrastucture of NK is far worse than the DDR.
We are talking about no fresh water and heating, even in the capital.
>>44570428
That makes it not impossible.
You are a second rate citizen. To point at someone having it worse is always a strawman.
Concentration camps like...Gaza? (Yeah I know what you mean, but it's a mix of the second sentence and the shit Isreal is pulling in Gaza.)
>>44570802
>We are talking about no fresh water and heating, even in the capital.
So an unified Korea would be just like any asian nation except Japan and Taiwan; with a rich industrialized part and a poor rural part ?
I guess they will have to get used to double digit growth again.
>>44570218
>>44570802
And anon, most thing the state provides are not profitable. That's why the state does them.
Trains, most airports, streets, canalization ans so on are never profitable. Unless you take them over for cheap, and never do repairs and canibalize them.
>>44570680
>This is what the French actually believe
>>44570916
Rural would be nice. NK is like 30 years behind regarding infrastucture. Most of that shit would've need replacement asap.
Add around 1,5 million now ex-soldiers and stuff.
It's more like a 1st world nation with half of it being a third world shithole, that makes most parts of africa seem decent.
>>44571025
Er... no.
>>44571025
China is pretty much in that situation, all things considered.
The real problem would be the culture shock really.
>>44564201
>And we laugh about this shit but there's people right now in cramped flooded box-sized prisons and entire families being tortured because the uncle once broke a minor law.
Can't really do anything but laugh about it or ignore it. It's not like anyone is going to send an army to free them, no matter how fucking obvious it is to everyone in the world that it's worse than the Holocaust.
>>44564409
That used to be true way back in the days, but the modern Chinese government isn't particularly worried about the things you mention.
The main reason North Korea hasn't been subjected to laser-guided munitions packing thermobaric FREEDOM is that South Korea doesn't want to take the massive economic hit it'd suffer if it were to reunify with the North, the Bush administration saw nothing to gain from an invasion and the Obama administration is hilariously incompetent at foreign policy, and China is really ambivalent about getting involved in an actual war at the moment - especially considering how hard the War on Terror backfired on the US (I'll refrain from going on a tangent about how this is due to extreme mismanagement and policymakers not listening to analysts telling them about that whole Sunni-Shi'ite conflict thing and all that).
That said - I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon, but China, the US and South Korea /could/ gain a lot from liberating Best Korea. Consider the following: the US direly needs another "good war" a la WW2 to make up for the severe losses in political capital they've suffered around the globe. Without one, America may remain a financial and military superpower but the Russians are getting closer and closer to delivering a killing blow on them as far as soft power goes with every passing day. The Chinese PLA is rapidly approaching the point at which it can't really evolve any further without actual warfighting experience, and what better opportunity would there be than a joint war alongside what's still the most powerful military force on the planet? Furthermore, China's dual economic system as well as her political landscape are entirely capable of dealing with the whole post-war nation building deal, which would score the CCP mad brownie points with both the locals and the South Korean government, a potentially very close ally against Japan and an amazing chance to establish the PRC as an interventionist power.
>>44570263
>the Palestinians,
>the past two centuries.
Except that there only were "Palestinians" after the PLO was set up (by Arab governments as a tool for Jewish genocide). There were no "Palestinians" even one century ago, let alone two.
>>44569534
This is some quality banter.
>>44570680
Word, the reason France gets attacked by islamists is because France actually do something against them, unlike Britain.
>>44570847
>You are a second rate citizen.
What does that make Arabs in Arab nations, then? Third rate? Fourth? Tenth? Arab Israelis are treated insurmountably better than ANY Arabs under ANY Arab government.
And that's not even touching on the treatment Arab governments give Palestinians who fall into their hands.
>Concentration camps like...Gaza?
Apart from LITERALLY NOT BEING UNDER ISRAELI CONTROL, Gaza is a functional city. If there are any shortages, it's by choosing to spend money and effort on guns and rockets for terrorist attacks instead.
>>44571243
Am British can confirm.
Holy shit I wish our leaders would grow some fucking balls.
>>44570769
Muslim, /pol/ or Democrat?
>>44569513
It's World War Z. Everyone else in the region went zombie.
(World War Z also mentions a civil war between secular and religious Israel caused by the country's draconian anti-zombie measures)
Max Brooks is a comedian, no, not a geopolitical powerhouse,
>>44570847
Not to unduly defend some of the shit that the Israeli government is pulling in Gaza, but Christian Arabs are basically Israel's equivalent of Asian and Jewish Americans. Educated well beyond average levels, well-represented within the country's industry, a real "model minority" (if the model minority concept is one you buy into in the first place, anyways).
Racism is definitely an issue in Israel, but the entire Gaza conflict can't really be reduced to it; it's a way more complex issue than that and there's a lot of people to blame for that. It's further complicated by the fact that Fatah is considered to be insanely corrupt and that Hamas is actively despised by a majority of the Palestinian population itself - it's really one big clusterfuck.
>>44571143
The argument is interesting, but it raises the question of even wanting a war against an army of 1.5 million soldiers, while the PRC would have everything (especially diplomatically and economically) to win by convincing best Korea to adopt their model.
>>44571076
Er... yes.
>>44571107
China is not in that situation. The well developed regions of china are those with the most chinese. The shithole zones are relativly sparse populated.
SK:NK is 51million:24million.
The culture shock is a good point tho.
Still SK monitores the german renunification closely and came to a solid "not in the forseable future"- conclusion
>>44571336
>some of the shit that the Israeli government is pulling in Gaza
Yes, evicting all those Jews and Druze was criminal.
>>44571397
>China is not in that situation
Not too long ago, the only non-shitholes places in China were Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong (not nominally in the PRC then but still). And one generation ago, SK was also in that situation within its own borders. Of course it's a growth with a lot of pain (workers getting the rough end of the stick) but that's how asian countries have grown the last 60 years.
>>44571166
And the area was empty then, eh?
>>44571259
You do exactly what I said is bullshit to do: You point at someone who has it worse. That way things never improve, because someone is always relativly worse off.
Point is: Palestinians are trated as second rate citizens in Israel. That's better than for exaple in Saudi-Arabia. But still damn stitty.
>Gaza
>only a money problem
Aside from the times when Israel just closes the border for a while.
Still not concentration camp level, but also still shitty.
>>44571336
Aye that makes it so interesting. Black jews from Ethiopia also get a shitty treatment.
And solid stuff you wrote, a real clusterfuck indeed.
>>44571563
>Palestinians are trated as second rate citizens in Israel.
NO
THEY'RE
NOT
They're treated like Westerners in a Western country.
>>44571563
*shitty
Curse my grammar.
>>44571259
The issue at hand is not how arab states treat arabs but how isreal treats arabs. Stop changing the subject because you don't like the answers.
>>44571606
>but how isreal treats arabs.
As citizens.
>>44571606
>but how isreal treats arabs
Arabs in Israel can vote and get elected. They have the same rights as any other citizen.
>>44564591
I played this game to fucking hell.
Literally the only game i played.
That was until the disk went to shit and i stopped using the PS2.
I still have it btw. Is one of the big fat ones.
>>44571596
The Jew doth protest too much, methinks.
>>44569287
How has this thread not been deleted?
>>44564613
>So you're the mercenary. The one that [dictator] shot in the ass.
>UPPER THIGH.
>>44571386
A large army is becoming less and less of a plus, and more and more of a minus in modern warfare.
>>44571754
That still means you have to kill or make PoW 1.5 million totally indoctrinated soldiers.
If you want a clean war for PR that's pretty bad.
>>44570106
Maybe we should start shitting up their board.
>>44571777
You just need 3 million ham-sandwiches, and the KPA will surrender overnight.
>>44571386
There's one very big reason why China might want to fight such a war, actually - remember how I said the US would massively benefit from another just war? China would do so even more.
The CCP is ambitious as hell. They're convinced that their country could kick America off its superpower throne and then some, and I daresay they've got some very good reasons to subscribe to that notion. The thing about being a true superpower is though that pure economic or political power isn't really enough; otherwise, Russia (which is WAY ahead of the US when it comes to soft power, particularly in Europe) and China (don't think I have to elaborate on the PRC's economic capabilities) would've already been afforded that status. A superpower needs all of the above but also the ability to project military force in an aggressive, interventionist manner if necessary. You can resort to overt imperialism like the Russian government does, but this won't win you any friends - ideally, you'd first establish yourself as a "force of good" like the US did during WW2, and that's exactly what China could do by buddying up with South Korea and the US to get rid of government that's literally worse than Hitler. It's all right in there - freeing an oppressed people as part of an international coalition, starved concentration camp inmates hugging their Chinese liberators, nation building and last but not least nearly no chance whatsoever of getting dragged into endless counterinsurgency operations since you bet your ass the North Korean population has none of the ethnic or sectarian fault lines common in the Middle East and even less love for the currently governing Juche Party.
>>44571811
This is a good post.
Although I would like to elaborate on the Chinese economy and say that it's not as great as it's always made out to be. The yuan crashes alarmingly frequently, and huge state-enforced monopolies aren't doing anyone any favors. It's getting better (especially as they learn to take their hands off things more often) but it's still struggling because of that intervention.
