>be guardsman
>armor more useless than modern soldiers one
>gun so weak you might as well just throw rocks and it would be an uprgade
>life expectancy of 7 hours
>your commander says you should all human wave the CSM
>get shot
ayy lmao
why would anyone play cannon fodder? Even Orks are better at least ork boy will kill some people before he goes down instead of getting blasted by butthurt comissar.
>armor more useless than modern soldiers one
flak armour can turn a lethal shot into life threatening and protects from flak, a major killer in war. It's just not as good as ancient power armour, alien chitin or space nano-fabrics.
>gun so weak you might as well just throw rocks and it would be an uprgade
but lasguns are pretty good they can take chunks out of concrete, it's just most guardsmen fight aginst super-human monsters, eldrich abominations, terrain changing super predators and undead robots who are all tougher than concrete
>life expectancy of 7 hours
depends on your role and theater
>why would anyone play cannon fodder?
because it's nice to play the underdog, because they're more relate-able than undead robots, because they're a flexible codex, because you like the minis, because you like tanks, because you want to play space 1st cavalry
>>44461266
>>armor more useless than modern soldiers one
Let's not forget that it outright stops tub projectiles, which puts the shitty guardsmen above massive amounts of rebels, cultists and xenos. Especially since they often dont even have flack amour themselves.
Overall, 2.5/10 bait, could have done better
>>44461266
thanks for getting to it first, reasonable anon.
>>44461148
Your life expectancy is 15 hours
It isn't all bad
>>44461364
the combat life expectancy for a lancaster bomber's rear gunner was 30 seconds. you've got it better than them.
>be guardsman
>in a squad of 50 guys
>if conscripts will only cost 150 points for the 50
>if actually trained guardsmen will also have access to 5 special weapons and ability to reroll orders
>capable of firing 150 shots in one turn
>capable of ignoring cover because some guy told you to
>that will never run away so long as the 25 point priest is with them
>who will also allow them to reroll their 5+ saves that they get surprisingly often
>or reroll to wound
>if just one guy is close enough to see the inspiring presence of straken's cybernetic gains he will hit as hard as a space marine when he charges
>even if he's just a conscript he will still wreck a fire warrior in CC
>even if you die it's okay because you cost 3-5 points
>>44461376
>life expectancy for a lancaster bomber's rear gunner
According to unsourced shit on the internet the life expectancy of a Rear Gunner was 2 weeks
Still really shit though
>>44461386
must be difference sources, it was shite for them eitherway.
>>44461385
why is that titan shooting jizz and why they look like american football players?
>>44461364
On one particular planet that was already overrun by Orks. Never is this extrapolated to all guardsmen.
>>44461415
80s
>>44461386
Probably absolute life expectancy versus life expectancy in combat. Apparently some writer wanted to be a turret gunner when he was a boy during the war, and his dad took him to the airfield to show him how they needed to wash the turret gunners out with a hose. Minengeschöß was pretty good.
I recall WWI aviators having a life expectancy measured in hours. Something like 24 or 48 hours from hitting the front, most bit the dust. The trenches weren't much better, of course. If you went to France with Britain's professional army, you most likely didn't see the end of the war.
But at least in the trenches, you could get injured and be sent off. In the air, no such luck.
>>44461415
Slaneeshi traitors
>>44461461
At least you'd be relatively comfortable until you suffered for seconds/minutes, not stuck in a muddy hole waiting to get torn apart by artillery or having to go over the top.
>>44461461
>I recall WWI aviators having a life expectancy measured in hours. Something like 24 or 48 hours from hitting the front, most bit the dust.
None too surprising, given parachutes weren't invented yet.
>>44461508
Now, I'm curious how was life for the Navy during WW1?
>>44461682
>None too surprising, given parachutes weren't invented yet.
Oh, they'd been invented. They were issued to crew of observation balloons on both sides, and to German pilots. The Allies refused to outfit their pilots with parachutes, because they thought that the pilot would then jump to safety when hit, instead of fighting or trying to save his damaged aircraft.
Yeah, Allied command was really goddamn stupid during WWI.
>Now, I'm curious how was life for the Navy during WW1?
Depends. Probably a whole lot of sitting around. Shelling stuff at Gallipoli as a Brit, shooting torpedoes at Americans as a German.
>>44461715
>Yeah, Allied command was really goddamn stupid
FTFY.
>>44461806
Wilhelm II IDF pls go.
>>44461148
>>armor more useless than modern soldiers one
>>gun so weak you might as well just throw rocks and it would be an uprgade
Dank memes aside, neither of those are true, retard.
>>44461148
>Even Orks are better at least ork boy will kill some people before he goes down
I know it's b8 but this is the least true thing you posted. Dying is exactly what boyz do.
40k seems to suffer from a perspective problem.
Most guard conflicts involve cultists, rebels, pirates or orks. Their weaponry is excellent to satisfactory for such situations.
The problem is the actual tabletop game is dominated by giant supermen with fully automatic armour piercing grenade launchers. Not being able to stop a bolter does not make their armour shit.
>>44462016
Maybe all we Ork boyz do is fight 'n' die, but ya know what? We'z good at it and we'z still gonna win!
>>44462031
What standard armor can even stop a bolt? I think aside from Terminators (and their equivalents) and force fields nothing really wants to take a bolt to the face.
>>44462618
Tau armor. Ork heavy armor. Anything with a 4+
>>44462744
His point is fluffwise even power armour cannot stand up to bolters for long. A burst to the torso will go through quite often.
>>44461682
>None too surprising, given parachutes weren't invented yet.
But parachutes have been around since before planes existed...
>>44462618
Carapace armor does well, as it is also a 4+. And Scions get to punch back with a weapon that ignores Astartes armor.
>>44461415
Rogue Trader was a wacky time.
>>44461344
It also is super effective against modern munitions, like 7.62 or 5.56. Flak also can be made out of everything- the Imperium actually produces fucking spray cans that when sprayed on clothes, it turns the clothing into flak armor.
>>44461148
>I chose what faction to play based on how good K/D ratio the basic grunt has.
So just fucking pick space marines like all the other 12 year olds and stop hanging out here.
>>44461364
Actually 15 hours isn't the life expectency. It's how long you have to surivive to be able to claim you're a vet. I don't know if it's a general guard thing or is it due to that specific theater of war though
>>44465544
I like how they just call 'em what they are - space dorf, space elf, space orc, etc.
>Be Guardsman
>Get along with everyone
>Good at job
>Survive multiple theaters against chaos cultists
>Get stabbed in the heart by the serial killer in your regiment
Fuck you, Abnett.
>>44461490
>Slaneeshi traitors
>Carrying standards with Ollanius Pius
uwot
why don't Imperial Guard squads have squad automatic weapons? It could be as simple as a slightly larger lasgun with a larger powerpack. The Russians did it with the RPK, basically the same as an ak, but beefier and built for a different purpose. They could give one squad member a slightly bigger lasgun for suppressing fire, and issue scoped lasguns to marksmen in each battalion.
>>44469417
They do though.
>>44466302
For minutes at the most, but yeah.
>>44461148
>infinite ammo (recharge power pack with sun light)
>bores holes through the human body upon impact
>projectiles not effected by gravity
>leaves no shell casings
>makes little to no noise upon firing
I would go on a murdering spree with one of these things and no copper punk would be able to catch me
>OP is fucking useless
>>44469953
I wonder what happens when you spray one of those magic cans on bullets.
>>44461148
Because the imperial guard are god damned bad ass heroes, each and every one of them should be issued a standard template Mars forged wheel barrow just to carry his giant fucking testicles.
These are men who willingly get sent out into space to fight mindless kill bots, giant hive mind bio engineered murder insects, torture fuelled immortals, 8 ft tall post human mutants and gods so hideously insane that even to speak their name can cause them to pull your asshole out through your mouth and fuck it.
And they do all this in a padded jacket and a laser gun so weak they might as well be equipped with a fucking flash light. Yet millions of them sign up to fight and die on barren plants light years from home worlds they will never see again.
Why would you play as imperial guard ?
Because they are the best humanity has to offer and if they can't grind you under the wheels of their tanks they'll choke you to death with their dead.
>>44470012
>recharge power pack with sun light
Over the course of a fucking day. And how does something hot enough to tear through a body not create a mini-thunderclap from frying the air?
>>44461148
>be guardsman
>be the most cost-effective warrior in the entire galaxy
>serve in the most glorious army in the galaxy
>enemies of the Imperium so jealous they have to make shitty b8 threads on /tg/
stay mad xenos scum
>>44468003
he was making a joke you austist
>>44467923
>>44462031
This.
Especially in the tabletop which is just full of cheese and megazords at the moment, we seem to forget that even the basic troops of each faction are insanely deadly and tough beyond the standards of anything we know
The TT pisses me off sometimes with it's focus on these stupid centrepiece models that push the fluff to breaking point and cheese-lists that ignore the basics of a faction
>>44470104
>Sign up
I am not sure what percentage of them volunteer, and how many are recruited as part of the tax each planet pays to the imperium.
>>44461376
Life expectancy for a machine gunner in combat during Vietnam was 8 seconds. That's not unsourced crap either, Google it
>>44465544
>60p each
I'd take those models for those prices again.
>>44461148
The guard would be considered OP in most other Sci-fi settings. Unfortunately for them, they're in a setting where everything is dialed up to 11.
>>44471032
adjusted for inflation a squad of 10 would cost around £27
>>44461344
>it outright stops tub projectiles
That's actually pretty impressive
>>44471855
Heretics don't know 'bout my standard issue tub-proof flak armour
Meh, a puny lasgun hit will kill a space marine on the table top on a 1 in 9 chance.
Of course a tank shell will kill a handful very nicely...
You forgot about the Vostroyans - guardsmen who usually have service in their planets PDF against mutants, and equipped with hand-crafted arms and armor that are a lot better than the mass produced stuff most regiments get.
They'd probably be elite guardsmen if not for the Cadians.
>Tanks on the hill
advicekrieger.jpg
>Fix bayonets!
>>44470012
But anon! Light IS effected by gravity.
And it does make a rather loud sound. Not as loud as gunfire, but still loud.
>>44470223
But Ork blood is green, anon.
>>44472414
Curiously, a bolter round will only kill a space marine on a 1 in 6 chance, so lasguns aren't particularly less effective at killing marines than bolters.
>>44469417
The old lore hellguns are supposed to work like that. They work like lasguns, but just shoot way more regular shots. As opposed to hotshots, which are now AP3 badasses. I think they have the hotshot volley gun now, which seems like it's the squad support version of the hotshot, but I don't really know why the old lore hellgun hasn't made more appearances.
Also there are multilasers.
>>44461148
Flak armor is actually pretty good compared to modern standards. And a lasgun is literally a rapid fire laser gun, try using that against conventional bullets. The only reason why bolters are so good is that they're wielded by 9 foot tall badasses that can set down a rain of bullets so thick they can block out the sun.
>>44461148
>be OP
>know nothing about 40k but memes
ayy lamao
>>44470163
It does make a sound akin to a round going off. There are multiple references in novels to the "crack," of lasguns firing. I don't know where >>44470012 got his information on them being so quiet, but many of the novels claim he's talking out of his ass.
Lasguns are pretty awesome, but they're not THAT awesome. They hit with about the strength of a 7.62 NATO round, they are very easy on logistics, by their nature we can assume that they are near to laser-accurate at close ranges if you can handle the recoil, and being laser-based technology we can also assume that gravity doesn't effect them *too* much.
>>44470071
>bulletproof bullets
>>44469417
The lasgun can be set to automatic.
>>44470411
They sign up for the PDF and the best of PDF is drafted for IG. Its a great honor to be recruited so people kill for it
>>44470104
>willingly
LaughingHighLords.pict
>>44470411
Depends on the planet.
>>44467923
Why do you want me to suffer?
>>44474666
Whatever you say, Lucifer.
>>44461872
>Wilhelm II IDF
>tfw this is exactly what I become whenever ww1 is discussed
Fucking propaganda making Germans believe he is responsible for the war even today
Sounds like some filthy xeno is envious of the greatest force known to the galaxy.
Stay pleb.
>>44467923
I hate you for reminding me of this.
>>44467923
Why make me sad?
>>44467923
What story was this.
>>44476390
Gaunts Ghosts
>>44467923
>be Guardsman
>join one of the proudest regiments of the famous guardsmen of your homeworld
>rise up to sergeant, live to reach your forties
>recruit a young lad who shows remarkable promise
>take care of him through his first warzone, fight with him through thick and thin, try to make sure he survives
>go to a second warzone
>get contaminated by xenos spore when your gas mask is pierced
>can't recognize your comrades or remember your own name as you descend into feral savagery and try to rip them apart
>promising guardsmen has to put you down himself with your own beloved combat shotgun before you kill him
>>44465544
i want to make a piscean force
>>44466570
which planet was this on
>>44474666
well depends on the planet i suppose but yeah.
>>44474056
>>44476260
see there is a girl guardsman why the fuck are people calling WH40K a dick swinging contest if women serve in every fucking branch aside from Marines?
>>44480904
>aside from Marines?
Answerd your own question there
>>44480904
i wonder if there are female custodes i would assume so there made in a completely different way to marines
>>44480922
I wonder if they also walk around shirtless like their male friends.
>>44480920
marines are faggots anyway Bolter Bitches are almost the same without any biological enchancments and Guard has bigger balls
>>44480929
probably.
>>44461682
Parachutes were invented - they weren't given to pilots because the commanders thought that men wouldn't attack hard enough in their flying box kites if they could jump out at any time.
The Navy can be summed up by very long periods of inaction interspersed with occasional periods of extreme violence. If your ship was hit heavily you were unlikely to survive, but overall mortality rates still much lower than in the army. Except submarines - they really were little more than iron coffins.
This thread reminds me of the "How to field-dress a las wound" in the 6th Ed rulebook (pg406).
Pic related is like half the text in there.
>>44467375
I guess Space Chink wouldn't have been as well-received.
>>44475147
>propaganda
Where were you educated? In my history lessons, it was made out to be everyones fault, but the Germans ended up being the ones to invade someone else first.
>no light tank based on the chimera chassis
that thing was built to be a stryker/chafee
>be guardsmen
>the commissar orders you to affix bayonets and charge
>they didn't even give you pistols to fight before charging
>>44480922
come to think of it are custodes sterile like a marine they wouldent have time to reproduce anyway but its an interesting thought
>>44481171
There isn't anything in canon to suggest that space marines are sterile, anon.
>>44480920
Well there are the SOBs so they somewhat cancel each other out, the SOBs are just underrepresented.
>>44481770
Everything in the Imperium is under-represented compared to the Marines, and most things outside the Imperium too.
