Last Stand Of Colonel Shy Edition
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Get in here, post games, miniatures, questions, whatever you like.
List of mini providers:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGaaOSvSTqpwPGAvLPY3B5M2WYppDhzXdjwMpqRxo9M/edit
List of Historical Tactical, Strategic, and Military Drill treatises:
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ZunTsu Gameboxes:
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https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lx05hfgbic6b8/Naval_Wargaming
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/s1am77aldi1as/Wargames
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Black Powder
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>Bolt Action
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>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf
>Advanced Squad Leader
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>Impetus
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>Modelling & painting guides
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>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
Desired scans :
Black Powder supplements
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Hail Caesar! Late Antiquity to Early Medieval Army List
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
Germany Strikes!
15th December in military history:
533 – Vandalic War: Byzantine general Belisarius defeats the Vandals, commanded by King Gelimer, at the Battle of Tricamarum.
1161 – Jin–Song wars: Military officers conspire against Emperor Hailing of the Jin dynasty after a military defeat at the Battle of Caishi, and assassinate the emperor at his camp.
1467 – Stephen III of Moldavia defeats Matthias Corvinus of Hungary, with the latter being injured thrice, at the Battle of Baia.
1778 – American Revolutionary War: British and French fleets clash in the Battle of St. Lucia.
1864 – American Civil War: Battle of Nashville: Union forces under George Thomas almost completely destroy the Army of Tennessee under John Hood.
1890 – Hunkpapa Lakota leader Sitting Bull is killed on Standing Rock Indian Reservation, leading to the Wounded Knee Massacre.
1914 – World War I: The Serbian Army recaptures Belgrade from the invading Austro-Hungarian Army.
1917 – World War I: An armistice between Russia and the Central Powers is signed.
1942 – World War II: The Battle of Mount Austen, the Galloping Horse, and the Sea Horse begins during the Guadalcanal Campaign.
1943 – World War II: The Battle of Arawe begins during the New Britain Campaign.
1960 – King Mahendra of Nepal suspends the country's constitution, dissolves parliament, dismisses the cabinet, and imposes direct rule.
1981 – A suicide car bombing targeting the Iraqi embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, levels the embassy and kills 61 people, including Iraq's ambassador to Lebanon. The attack is considered the first modern suicide bombing.
2005 – Introduction of the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor into USAF active service.
2006 – First flight of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.
It is 151 years since the Battle of Nashville, a two-day battle that represented the end of large-scale fighting in the Western Theater of the American Civil War. It was fought between the Confederate Army of Tennessee under Lieutenant General John Bell Hood and Federal forces under Major General George H. Thomas. In one of the largest victories achieved by the Union during the war, Thomas routed Hood's army, largely destroying it as an effective fighting force.
The battle was the finale in a disastrous year for Hood’s forces. The rebels lost a long summer campaign for Atlanta, Georgia, in September 1864 when Hood abandoned the city to the army of William T. Sherman. Hood then took his diminished force north into Tennessee. He hoped to draw Sherman out of the Deep South, but Sherman had enough troops to split his force and send part of it to chase Hood into Tennessee. Sherman airily indicated that this was exactly what he wanted and that if Hood "continues to march North, all the way to Ohio, I will supply him with rations."
At Spring Hill, Tennessee, the Confederates allowed a Union division to escape from Columbia and pass by them unmolested to Franklin, a small town south of Nashville. Enraged over this missed opportunity, Hood ordered futile frontal assaults at Franklin against entrenched Federals, many of whom were armed with repeating rifles. The fierce, five-hour Battle of Franklin on November 30 decimated his force and cost him a division commander and four brigadier generals. Undeterred, he continued on and besieged Thomas’ larger force at Nashville.
There, Hood constructed works along a five-mile-long line south of the city. Between the 8,000 men lost at Franklin and those detached under Nathan Bedford Forrest, who had been sent to capture Murfreesboro, Hood’s army was down to about 20,000 men. He hoped to draw Thomas into attacking him. After repulsing those attacks, Hood reasoned, he would counterattack and take the city.
Thomas had 70,000 men, over 55,000 of which he planned to use as maneuver troops. A severe ice storm halted operations until December 15. As the two sides glared at each other from their ice-bound entrenchments, Lieutenant General Ulysses S. Grant, unaware of the severity of the weather conditions, repeatedly sent telegrams from the East urging Thomas to move out of his works and attack the enemy. Thomas had been nicknamed "Old Slow-trot" before the war, when he restrained West Point cadets from galloping their horses. Grant referred to him by that old nickname because he felt Thomas was too slow in his movements in the field. When no action occurred in response to his telegrams, Grant sent an officer to observe the situation; that officer also carried an order relieving Thomas of command.
While Grant’s emissary was still on a Tennessee-bound train, the weather broke. Union troops moved out of their defenses, southeast along the Murfreesboro Road to assail and pin the Confederate right, and west along and between the Charlotte and Harding pikes. The lead troops on the Murfreesboro Road were inexperienced soldiers of the United States Colored Troops. They took shelter from Confederate rifle fire in a railroad cut, only to be enfiladed and cut to pieces by a previously unseen artillery battery. One Confederate soldier wrote disgustedly, "Where were those men’s officers? I did not see a single white body on that field." Other Federal troops of Maj. Gen. James Steedman’s command succeeded in keeping the Confederate right pinned, to prevent reinforcements against the main attack.
The westward movement went almost exactly according to Thomas’ plan. After driving off a small force west of town, the Federals swung southeast as if on a hinge. They outflanked a group of Confederate redoubts and drove the Rebels south. When morning dawned on the second day, the over-extended Confederate line had been compressed into roughly the shape of an upside-down U.
The western bend in the line was anchored on the heights of Shy’s Hill, the eastern bend atop the steep slopes of Peach Orchard (Overton’s) Hill. Federal assaults against the Hill, which had to be made over the tops of trees that the Confederates had felled on the slopes, met tremendous fire from the 2,000 infantrymen and supporting artillery of Lt. Gen. Steven D. Lee’s Corps. Some 6,000 Federals, including two divisions of USCT, made valiant attempts against the position but were repulsed. So many Union soldiers died on the slopes that it was said a person could walk from the top of the hill to the bottom without touching the ground.
Shy’s Hill was a different story. Around 4:00 p.m., two Union corps plus cavalry, over 40,000 men in all, attacked 5,000 under Maj. Gen. William Bate. Confederate artillery had been positioned in such a way that once the advancing Federals reached a certain point on the slope, the guns could not fire at them. The blue line swept over the crest, capturing most of the defenders.
The hill became known as Shy’s Hill after the battle. Confederate Colonel William Shy, of Franklin, was among the defenders. His body was later found on the hill, bayoneted to a tree, a bullet hole in his forehead. Controversy still continues over which side was actually responsible.
With the Shy’s Hill anchor gone, the rest of Hood’s line collapsed and fled toward Franklin. Darkness and exhaustion prevented effective pursuit, and the rag-tag remnants of the Army of Tennessee continued on to Tupelo, Mississippi, where Hood resigned his command. For his overwhelming victory, Thomas became one of only 13 officers to receive the Thanks of Congress in the war and was promoted from brigadier general in the regular U.S. Army to major general, U.S. Army.
Union losses in the fighting at Nashville numbered 387 killed, 2,558 wounded, and 112 captured/missing, while Hood lost around 1,500 killed and wounded as well as around 4,500 captured/missing.
The Battle of Nashville marked the effective end of the Army of Tennessee. Historian David Eicher remarked, "If Hood mortally wounded his army at Franklin, he would kill it two weeks later at Nashville." Although Hood blamed the entire debacle on his subordinates and the soldiers themselves, his career was over. He retreated with his army to Tupelo, Mississippi, resigned on January 13, 1865, and was not given another field command.
But the drama of the battle continued into the next century. On Christmas Eve 1977 a headless body was discovered next to a newly opened grave in Williamson County, Tennessee. The head was found nearby. The body was clothed in what appeared to be a tuxedo. The matter was referred to the state medical examiner who determined that this was a homicide, that the victim was a white male, 5' 11" tall, weighing 173 lbs., and approximately 26 years of age. The medical examiner further determined that the cause of death was a large caliber bullet wound to the head, and that the man had been dead for 6 to 12 months. Everything but the time of death was correct; the body was that of Colonel Shy, who had died defending the hill bearing his name 113 years before. The newly opened grave was his, and he had apparently been exhumed by grave robbers in search of Civil War collectibles. The remarkable state of preservation was due to the fact that Colonel Shy had been buried in a sealed cast iron coffin (also found nearby) and had been embalmed with a fluid heavily laced with arsenic.
Colonel Shy was reinterred with appropriate military honors. The cast iron coffin is on display at the Carter House in Franklin.
Nashville is a classic example of a late-ACW meatgrinder, where the battles had begun to prefigure the trench assaults of later years. It is a situation where strategic maneuver is all-important, and would be best played at the divisional level (6mm/10mm) to properly simulate this. (The Polemos rules or Longstreet are well suited for it.) The Western Theatre doesn't get as much attention as the Eastern, and this is one of its main battles. Also it's yet another good example of how personalities were such an issue among the leadership of the ACW.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/4r97381ak9x014g/American+Civil+War+Weapons+and+Equipment.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/55wbf1s2rnodg1n/Osprey+-+CAM+179+-+Sherman's+March+to+the+Sea+1864.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/v0hmvr2ve002ukj/Osprey+-+ESS+011+-+American+Civil+War+%284%29+The+West+1863-65.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/41aq44vp4h0s709/Osprey+-+FOR+038+-+American+Civil+War+Fortifications+%282%29+Land+and+Field.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/x2twzacbo33djwh/Osprey+-+MAA+170+-+American+Civil+War+Armies+%281%29+Confederate+Troops.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/bjrx3sxrdxnw1n9/Osprey+-+MAA+177+-+American+Civil+War+Armies+%282%29+Union+Troops.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/woviw9jvn2i6iz1/Osprey+-+MAA+179+-+American+Civil+War+Armies+%283%29+Specialist+Troops.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/qi2d16l36ceiqew/Osprey+-+MAA+190+-+American+Civil+War+Armies+%284%29+State+Troops.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3vdvsl55ctdjdjq/Osprey+-+MAA+207+-+American+Civil+War+Armies+%285%29+Volunteers+Militia.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/7b4d4i88vrqypin/Osprey+-+WAR+114+-+African-American+Soldier+in+the+Civil+War.pdf
Does anyone have pdfs for the Battlegroup game (Kursk and so on)? Only thing I could find was the core rulebook.
The Perrys and friends gamed Battle of Paris recently, pictures are now up on their facebook page containing appropriate amounts of miniature porn.
Gonna dump a few choice pics.
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Is there a good manufacturer of Bavarian troops?
>>44176567
Perry do them for Napoleonics
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/index.php?cPath=23_28_86&osCsid=ooq8te2kqno543nv1se4o6s584
As do Foundry
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/napoleonic/bavarian
>>44176620
aren't those identical?`The Foundry minis are also sculpted by the Perrys.
>>44176820
The Foundry figures are sculpted in their old bulkier style and the PM ones in the more realistic one they adopted after LotR.
>>44175972
>those ghost people on the right
Post game recap of my gameplay for "Berlin 1945" from TS Games. Different way of doing things this time. see if I do any more like this in the future...or never do this type again
https://youtu.be/yA6WsfnSS-s
>>44171560
We have a pretty large wargames community here in NZ. I live in one of the smaller south island cities and there are 4 wargames clubs here alone. They play everything from Historicals to GW to Distopian wars and Flames of War.
There's also a pretty healthy tournament scene, with a Kings of War tournament just recently been. My friend went to it and said it was glorious, most of the armies being historical/themed armies and immaculately painted.
>>44180857
Good to hear. I was concerned it might be hard to find games due to the relatively small population. It's not a 100% sure thing I'll be moving yet, but if I do, I'll be in/near either Palmerston North or Christchurch.
>>44181084
cool! Christchurch has a large wargaming community. not sure about palmertson north.
Christchurch is kind of a shithole though, its still fucked from the earthquake. road cones everywhere, sunken roads, potholes. Wellington and Auckland probably have the largest war game communities, largely due to being the most populated cities. Dunedin is a cool place to live, and has a few good clubs
>Internet down for 16 hours
>Need to do something
>Working through my micro armour seeing what I have and need to work on
>Find out just how many BMP 1&2 models I have
>End up doing this.
Pictures kinda blurry, will try again with a much better camera when I get time so it's actually in such things as focus. But there you go, /HWG/ in BMPs.
>>44181084
NZ has always had a good wargaming scene, I think a big influx of Brit gamers coming over in the 70s and 80s certainly helped. A recent example of how strong the scene is, would be the Chunuk Bair diorama designed by Peter Jackson and the Perrys for Te Papa, and painted up by hundreds of gamers across the country. Of course we have Battlefront too, which really changed the gaming scene circa 2000, and became more popular among new gamers and kids than GW.
I echo Dunedin-anon's warning about Christchurch being a shithole; actually it was never that nice a place to begin with, but the earthquake and subsequent decline have made things even worse. Palmy is a student town; a little provincial perhaps, but once upon a time it had one of the best wargaming shops in the country and there's definitely a scene there.
Auckland and Wellington would probably be the best places overall. If you were in Palmy though you could just pop down to Wellington occasionally for games days. Or you could join Dunedin-anon down there in penguin-land but be prepared to freeze your arse off.
>>44184769
>be prepared to freeze your arse off.
heh. Its the middle of summer and we still have hail showers and rain every second day.
There are actual pengiun colonies within 20 minutes drive of my house. Fucking penguins. Living here. The native maoris never came down this far south becuase it was just too cold for them. only the crazy white man would live in these conditions. oh and our 19th century housing doesn't help. I live in a house built in 1870, with no double glazing, no heating, and a leaking roof until about last year when our landlord fixed it. All the houses aren't like this, but lack of double glazing and central heating is pretty much ubiquitous.
>>44185762
>crazy white man
By which you mean Scots of course. This explains all the stoicism and madness down at that godless end of the Mainland. Naturally as a Taranaki man I can sit in my muggy humid shithole and feel superior.
Did you know, on a /hwg/ note, that New Zealand has a Scottish Regiment? Well had, technically. It was formed during WW2 as a home guard unit, with the proviso that all recruits had to be of Scots descent. It drew four companies from the main centres, and spent most of its life in New Caledonia. Postwar it became the armoured car component of the NZ forces, zipping around the volcanic plateau in Daimlers and Ferrets. Around 1990 or so when our motorized force was reorganized it became a squadron of QAMR, but the Scottish connection is in name only now. According to the Army's protocol guide "Highland orders of dress (glengarry, kilt, and sporrans) are authorised for wear at the discretion of the squadron commander."
>>44176889
Thanks. now i noticed it too
what color would the tunic of republic era roman soldiers be?
>>44187207
Mostly undyed wool (so off white and light browns). Some reds and 'proper' whites.
>>44187207
I'm told Osprey's Ancients stuff is of variable quality, but you should find all your answers here. Also, Angus MacBride!
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3u7187z02w5zcdf/Osprey+-+MAA+283+-+Early+Roman+Armies.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/7oyyllmun2l0vam/Osprey+-+MAA+291+-+Republican+Roman+Army+200-104BC.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/z7i79pmud326kzd/Osprey+-+MAA+374+-+Roman+Military+Clothing+%281%29+100+BC+-+AD+200.pdf
>>44187250
>>44187309
Thanks.
Going over to a m8s house around Christmas, got Crossfire, you guys have any recommendations for playing/setting up?
>>44188242
Make sure you've got lots of terrain, as I understand it Crossfire uses it as it's primary movement mechanic.
> Asafo is a Fante military institution, made up of local companies, each with its own name, number, regalia, shrine and set of flags, and imagery.
> This Asafo flag most likely dates from before Ghanaian independence in 1957 (note the British Union Jack in the upper-left canton) and served as an emblem of pride.
> The image in the field, of a creature looming over a decapitated corpse, suggests a severe warning to hostile parties.
> Fante arts, from a coastal area subject to more than five hundred years of direct interaction with European traders, bear witness to a long history of the creative borrowing of European forms. The three-headed monster here was probably inspired by the mythical creatures of European heraldry.
>>44188838
There's a whole bunch of flags like this and they're all gloriously bonkers.
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>>44188417
What's Hit the Dirt by the way, is it an expansion for Crossfire?
>>44188881
>tfw you're not very good at painting
Also I don't know what to do for their eyes. I don't have blue and I don't want any of the browns or greens I've used for their uniforms.
>>44189456
>>tfw you're not very good at painting
I've been painting my first ever 6mms this week and this is pretty much exactly how I feel.
>>44189456
> Also I don't know what to do for their eyes
My advice; don't bother. Eyes are barely discernible at tabletop distances anyway and attempts to paint them usually result in crazy eye syndrome.
Other than that you've done a pretty tidy job, for a quick and easy improvement, get yourself some washes or even just a dip to use on the skin and uniforms, works wonders.
>>44189456
Don't do the eyes if you aren't good at painting.
Its as simple as that.
They are shaded by their helmet anyway, so a simple darker wash over the face will be enough.
>>44189456
are these your first miniatures?
Some advise:
Thin your paints. It might be the pic quality, but it seems to be rather thick in places.
You got that german paint set right?
Give your soldiers some variety in terms of colors.
Use the lighter grey for some of their tunics or pants.
The helmets covered by fabric are supposed to be beige with camo pattern. Those larger zeltbahn tunics too. (First guy in the front, left for example).
Neaten up a little where the flesh paint went into the uniforms or vice versa.
Also, don't do eyes. The wash will solve that problem for you.
>>44189507
>>44189523
Yeah I'm getting a wash so this is effectively the pre-wash stage.
Okay no eyes then, thanks.
>>44189505
I'd rather not be able to paint and be playing 6mm than not be able to paint and be playing 28mm desu.
>>44189583
>Thin your paints.
I'm not an expert, but my gf sort of is and she helped me get the consistency (thickness, I guess) right after it was wayyy too thin at first and just went running off of the models. Basically I shook the pots fucking heaps like you guys suggested.
>You got that german paint set right? Give your soldiers some variety in terms of colors.
Yeah I got the German set but not quite all of the recommended basic paints, so I made do. I want them to be uniform in appearance, though the zeltbahns make it very difficult and I'm particularly bad at making them look camo without destroying the detail of their packs and weapons etc.
>Use the lighter grey for some of their tunics or pants.
I feel like the uniformity of colour helps disguise my lack of painting ability when the unit is viewed as a whole, particularly since the zeltbahns already diminish unit colour cohesion.
>The helmets covered by fabric are supposed to be beige with camo pattern.
Yeah I wasn't brave enough to paint them differently and I was counting on the lack of detail painting and the uniformity of the unit. Again, I don't want individual models to stand out (unless they're officers or something).
>Neaten up a little where the flesh paint went into the uniforms or vice versa.
Yeah the flesh is a little messy isn't it, looks terrible because the flesh is so bright compared to the other colours. But that's a result of me not being very good at painting. I'll try and clean up but the amount of hours I put into that unit of 10 already bodes poorly for the rest of my army.
>>44189456
Here are some nice tutorials for you:
http://s1245.photobucket.com/user/bracken96/library/fallschirmjager%20tutorial%20sump%20f%20muster44?sort=3&page=1
Don't get irritated by the Fallschirmjaeger. That Sumpfmuster was used used by the entire german army during mid-late war. (SS being the exception)
http://s1245.photobucket.com/user/bracken96/library/German%20Heer%20Tutorial?sort=3&page=1
Here is a tutorial for an early war german in case you want to see that too.
There are tons of other tutorials as well. (He even has a great method of painting eyes, but honestly, i wouldn't bother if i were you.)
>>44189692
You kinda want milk consistency. Better 2 thin layers than 1 thick.
>I feel like the uniformity of colour helps disguise my lack of painting ability when the unit is viewed as a whole, particularly since the zeltbahns already diminish unit colour cohesion.
No problem, if you like it your way.
>I'll try and clean up but the amount of hours I put into that unit of 10 already bodes poorly for the rest of my army.
Take your time. It will get easier the more you practice.
About the camouflage, especially those helmets would offer a great way of practicing it since they are exposed and there aren't any belts, or weapons or anything in the way. Just give it a try at one of your next minis and see if it works.
I just primed my 2 Sdkfz's.A while ago i bought german dunkelgelb primer in a rattlecan but so far i haven't used it because i didn't paint anything german, and now when i need it its raining like hell outside and i can't spray ;_; Priming with a brush really sucks
>>44189901
And forgot my pic ;_;
>>44188891
If I recall correctly, its a book of scenarios for Crossfire
>>44189456
Like everyone else said, skip eyes and throw a wash on there and they will look fine. If you want to improve, try practicing tips from the tutorials with which anon kindly provided you on a test fig that you don't really care about, an older figure, something broken or that you just found lying around, some varieties of "army men" are even paintable.
Still, blocking in basecoat colours neatly is half the battle. Also thin paints, like that other guys said, you're better off with the first coat being too thin than too thick because adding more paint is easier than removing too much paint
>>44189692
>the amount of hours I put into that unit of 10 already bodes poorly for the rest of my army.
Don't lose heart! Practice makes perfect, and it goes faster as you get better. Pic related, I painted all of these at different stages in my toy soldier career (sadly the catachan was not even the first mini I'd ever painted)
1:72 so delightfully cheap.
The quality though.
>>44195585
And the ones that suck least tend to charge prices barely below 28mm. Like, $20 plus shipping for zvesda Phalangites, or $25.80 plus shipping for warlord Phalangites :/
I have a ton of WW2 and napoleonic 1:72 figs, but back when I bought them it was $8 a box and you got 50-100 figs per box, now they keep reducing the number of figs and charging twice that
>>44195585
Don't base your assumptions on Airfix figures from the seventies. Now there are a god number of pretty good manufacturers who do lot better stuff than your average metal manufacturer in 28mm (Crusader, Artizan, and all the bobblyhead-telefonpole gunners) - and Airfix does some nice figures, their type 2s are usually better.
>>44196131
Haha, USfag. I can get that Pahalngite box for 8$ still.
>>44196664
Do you have any medieval ones? I'm trying to figure out a good basing system for them, there's quite a few games to choose from.
And i'm not versed in any of them.
>>44196782
Have a couple hundred medievals too, yes. I base them separately for various reasons. Lion Rampant(blech), WAB, any other random medieval skirmishes...if you're unsure, do the separate basing. If you want to multibase, 4 infantry for a 40mm square, 2 cavalry for a 50mm square.
Several hours later: Basecoat applied.
My next halftracks get some canvas over their back so i don't have to paint everything.
Tomorrow will be wash-day
>>44197218
Nothing clean, right?
>>44196664
>I can get that Pahalngite box for 8$ still.
>>44189901
>>44189921
for goodness sakes anon you're such a silly goose at times. I know what you mean bud I've got tamiya models to prime and GW orks and undead to glue and paint but the weather and daylight hours really suck
I've got two squads and a command group of the Perry's FFL with British tin hats on the way for some Free French in North Africa Bolt Action/CoC goodness. Life is good.
>>44200331
oh baby. I've got a company of their Commonwealth infantry along with a troop of Crusader's.
Desert WWII best WWII.
Another playtest of aces vs average spam.
Last game the aces cleaned up, downing 8 allied aircraft between them, and only taking minor damage or wounds. The game lasted 12 turns.
This game an allied two-seater managed to roll 6's with its MG attack from the rear, and although the ace did an evasive snap roll, his aircraft burst into flames and he was killed.
The other ace FAILED his evasion (rolled double 1s on 2d6) as an average fighter lined him up, and was shot down also. Both aces killed by turn 3.
This game really can go either way.
>>44200862
There's something peculiarly distinctive about the North African campaign in WW2. Don Featherstone - who drove a Crusader in the RTR during the whole thing - called it the "Gentleman's War", and in a slightly romanticized way he was right. There were no hordes of civilians being massacred or cities getting leveled; it was two forces of clean-limbed professional warriors going at it in a sandbox. British Hussar and Yeomanry officers went into battle with silk scarves and gloves; their German counterparts were decidedly non-Prussian in style and attitude. Both sides respected each other. In one example the New Zealand Division and the 90th Light Infantry Division banged heads repeatedly for two years, and at the end in Tunisia the 90th insisted on surrendering personally to the New Zealanders in recognition of this. The Afrikakorps and the 8th Army became legends; everyone's heard of Rommel and the Desert Rats. The propaganda services of both sides probably had a lot to do with the mythologization; but I think this view of it as the "gentleman's war" made it easier for people to remember as opposed to less glamorous campaigns.
This isn't to say it was a game of cricket; the commonplace brutality of war still dominated and a lot of shit things happened. It's just not as much of a moral mess as Russia or the Pacific was.
jesus, any of you lads checked out /his lately?
wew
>>44205566
Wait, are you actually surprised by that? Reddit needs one of the most heavily moderated communities on the site just to get sorta decent history discussion. There was no need to create a history board in the first place and I'm struggling to think of a worse format than anonymous imageboards for discussing a subject like history.
>>44205648
Not surprised, but you know when you are sitting inside on a stinking hot day, and you go outside and there is a hot wind blowing from inland? You know it will be bloody hot, but still it catches you off-guard.
Are there any /hwg/ about the Franco-Prussian War, or the Russo-Turkish War?
>>44205741
I assume Black Powder has rules/lists for those.
>>44205741
There is actually a specific ruleset for the Franco-Prussian War
http://www.mediafire.com/download/w9uxrrdsbn5m9ya/They+Died+For+Glory+%28Franco-Prussian+War%29.pdf
>>44204872
>>44207253
>>44207262
>>44204872
I really like this theatre of the war. I have loads of infantry for both sides in 1:72, plus some vehicles - I need a platoon or two tanks for both sides, plus I need to make some SAS/LRDG guys for the three Jeeps and three Chevrolet trucks I have.
>>44207281
We East Africa now!
>>44207308
>>44206259
Whoa, this is fucking bad ass. Thanks!
>>44207350
New stuff from based Ivan for FiveCore fans.
http://www.wargamevault.com/product/168855/FiveCore-Field-Guide?src=newest
What's on /hwg/s Christmas list? Personally I bought some paints, brushes, pigments, milliput and so on modeling supplies from Element Games.
>>44207580
I've got a Yankee Para platoon from Artizan. Pretty excited.
>>44207580
2 6mm Napoleonics armies, some paints and some trees.
>>44207580
I need a copy of GMT's Empire of the Sun since I don't yet have a strategic game covering the pacific theatre
I also need some expansions for Commands & Colors Napoleonics
>>44207580
Probably ordering the starter set for PT Dockyard's alt-history Great Lakes game. 1915-1919, Canada and the US get into a pissing match and start blowing each other up with torpedo boats and destroyers, shitty subs and armed barges.
>>44207580
not exactly /hwg/ related but i bought some kits and paints. i'll post pics tomorrow.
>>44207580
A LotR SBG book (no h8), bunch of old plastic Brets (no h8 again, and they can pass as HYW if desired), some 1:72 medievals, and I'll grab a Warzone starter after Christmas.
Not much /hwg/ related any of them sadly.
It's that time again.
>First shots of Agincourt French
>We received the first test shots of the Agincourt French Infantry frame back from Renedra over the weekend. Although they are first shots (they need a little tweaking) they have come out very well, Renedra have done a great job yet again! Alan couldn't wait to put a few, well quite a lot, together. There will be a French foot knights frame in the box too. Also there will be a dedicated box for foot knights of both sides coming out around the same time. This will be early next year....and yes, there will be a cavalry box at some point. They are 28mm and hard plastic.
>>44207580
Getting a bunch of Team Yankee Soviet stuff for that 15mm 1985 Cold War goodness.
A bunch of T-72As, some Hinds and BMPs should add nicely to the Shilkas, Gvozdikas and T-55s (which might pretend to be T-72s) already in my collection and painted up.
>>44208204
>A LotR SBG book (no h8), bunch of old plastic Brets (no h8 again, and they can pass as HYW if desired)
LotR SBG was a pretty good game, to be fair. I believe GW's old Legends of the High Seas/Old West historical games were based on the system.
Also the old Perry plastic brets are classics.
>>44208224
>>44208232
>>44208239
Oh my, these look nice.Definitely feeling some pressure in the front side of my pants.
>>44208235
Cool, man.
Except for the melee, I like SBG. Maybe I'll adapt Rebellion's melee system.
>>44208258
All I need now is another version with some alternate heads, hoods and weapons and then a certain 'little' conflict involving Bohemia that was running at the same time can be covered by them...
RENEDRAAAAA
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>>44175792
>>44208488
Those are for the reloading figures.
>>44207580
A bloody black primer, three stores near my place, not one has black in store.
Got my paints and varnish though. Time to finally learn how to paint for real. I'm back and this time it's personal.
>>44207580
The courage not to spend my wallet dry just before the slow period at work leaves me short of income.
Upside, I have a stockpile of minis to build.
WIP bmp
Are there any scans of the Battlegroup supplements (Fall of the Reich etc.) floating around?
>>44212694
very nice Talavera-anon
>>44214126
>>44212694
That reminds me, I was recently worried because I found that Talavera-anon (pretty much accidentally from posts on places that are not here) might be less than 20 miles from my location.
I don't like Napoleonics though so I am probably safe. Or more in danger. Of what I don't actually know.
BMP-2s either way.
>>44205741
Russo-Turkish war
Which one of the 8?
>>44214126
This isn't even Talavera, what gave me away?
>>44214632
>worried because I found that Talavera-anon might be less than 20 miles from my location.
why?
>(pretty much accidentally from posts on places that are not here)
where?
Are you in Kent or Hampshire/Surrey? You might think I'm in either.
>>44208494
That's actually a very interesting read, especially for amateur game designers. He describes playtesting and rules balancing, as well as the irrational disdain expressed by "female creatures" at the sight of grown men playing with toy soldiers
>>44215505
H.G. Wells really is the patron saint of the wargamer, his initials are even almost an anagram of /hwg/
>>44215529
We should rename ourselves to Historical Gamers of War.
>>44215044
Came across the Blutcher tournament post whilst looking around for new pics to bump&dump here. The club that had it is just up the road from me.
And I always worry about 4chan seeping into real life (rules 1&2, and occasionally 3 though that one is certainly outdated), it's probably just mental reflex though.
>>44215987
>The club that had it is just up the road from me.
Depending on how close is 'just up the road' we could be very close indeed.
But don't worry, I'm not going to come and find you, I'm pretty normal.
Two questions from someone that doesn't/hasn't played any historical war games.
1) Are most figures fielded meant to represent a single soldier, or like 100? Most historical engagements were huge, so I doubt (although I could be wrong!) that many historical war games go for the 1 model = 1 guy depiction.
2) How lethal do they depict infantry? Is it basically "you got hit, so you died", or do they have damage ratings per weapon/Wounds per model like Warhammer?
Sorry if historical wargames is so broad of a genre that these questions might not apply; I was just curious if there was a ballpark answer for "most" historical wargames.
>>44216192
>1
Depends massively on the scale of the battle you're representing, the miniature scale you use and the game system you're using.
Classical army battles could be especially huge, but something like the Viking raids (as in SAGA) is easily represented 1:1.
Then you also have hex-and-counter stuff, where you don't have any miniatures at all and a counter could represent anything from a single heavy weapon (without crew) to a full division of tanks including supporting vehicles, guns and infantry depending on the game in question.
>2
Again, depends massively on the game system and the era it depicts.
Most games with firearms in more modern settings also have mechanics to represent the secondary weapons effects, like pinning troops in place.
Personally, I mostly play 15mm WW2 (expanding into 15mm Cold War) and dabble in smaller-scale air combat (1/144 for WW2 and 1/350 for moderns), which both allow for 1:1 representation of troops by models, although typically with a sliding ground scale.
In most of those games, the scale isn't linear; as ranges get longer, they represent an ever longer range. That allows you to kind of "zoom in" on close-range actions or maneuvering.
>>44216192
>>44216381
Continuing, I'll give you the answers for Flames of War, my main historical wargame, for some reference.
It's WW2 in 15mm (1:100) scale, for (reinforced) company-level fights.
>1
In FoW, each models represents a single soldier or vehicles, but infantry fireteams and heavy weapon crews are mounted together on bases and operate as single entities; if such a team is destroyed, it might represent that at least some of them are killed or injured, with the rest no longer able to fight because of practical or psychological reasons.
Many other historical wargames that model battles at larger scales also use bases with multiple infantry models to represent groups of troops. The representation there can be very different depending on the game system.
>2
In FoW, infantry teams get a 3+ save against most ranged weapons fire when hit, since a scattered burst of bullets or a single (small) HE shell (which is what a single ranged shot represents) isn't actually that likely to instantly take out a fireteam of 2-5 soldiers. If they're in bulletproof cover (say, a stone building or foxholes), the shooter also needs to roll a firepower test (3+ for the main guns on most medium tanks, 6+ for basic rifles/MGs) to actually destroy the team.
Infantry are actually pretty hard to remove from a position, especially with solid cover.
Unless, that is, you bring up the really big guns (heavy howitzers and the like), use flame-throwers or actually storm their position with hand grenades and close-quarters fighting. Which are the things infantry in FoW don't get any saves against.
With tanks, FoW uses a different system: armour rating (front/side/top) + a d6 roll vs the AT rating of the enemy weapon. If you fail the save, the attacker rolls firepower to destroy/disable the vehicle.
In both cases, that's all after a to-hit roll based on the skill of the target (representing use of cover, smoke dischargers etc) modified by terrain and the like.
>>44216381
>>44216651
Thanks for the thorough answers.
Noob here.
What's a good way to get into tabletop wargaming with a pretty small budget?
Also, digital wargaming programs?
All of this seems interesting as fuck.
>>44217424
> What's a good way to get into tabletop wargaming with a pretty small budget?
Skirmish games or papercraft. Also print-and-play hex and chits.
> Also, digital wargaming programs?
ZunTsu, VASSAL. There's quite a few historical vidya that are basically adapted tabletop games too.
>>44217456
>>44217424
Also I forgot, if you want to do minis but not skirmish, smaller scales can be really cheap.
For example, Pendraken will give you 30 10mm Napoleonic line infantry for 4.50 Britbucks. 1/72 plastics also tend to be dirt cheap.
>>44217424
WW2 models are pretty cheap. 1/72 is a decent scale for wargames, and widely available. you can pick up a couple of boxes of infantry and a tank or two for very cheap. The infantry especially are cheap.
Digital wargames, I'd probably go for wargame-like vidya: Men of War, the Total War series (Medieval II is one of my favorites), Wargame Airland Battle, Distant Guns, etc.
>>44216192
Each system treats this differently, but for the WW2 game we play, infantry work in bases, with about 4 or 5 miniatures on each base. A base represents about 12 men (with 2 bases making up a platoon)
When attacking infantry, you roll a D6 for each weapon, be it a machine gun, or a tanks cannon, or an artillery shell, etc.
On a 1-3 nothing happens, on a 4-6 the infantry base takes 50% casualties (another result like this and the unit is wiped out), and on a 7, the base is wiped out.
This basic damage table is modified in certain ways: infantry taking cover are -1 to damage, Heavy cover like bunkers gives -2 to damage. High explosive gives +1 damage, Large caliber cannons (above 100m) give a further +1. Air strikes are +2 (and ignore cover), etc.
This way you only ever have to roll 1 dice when attacking an infantry base, and a good roll with a decent weapon can wipe them out 1 hit.
It makes infantry fragile, but extremely hard to get out of cover without good weaponry. Infantry that have gone to ground inside a building would be -2 to damage, meaning you need to roll a 6 to cause any damage. Ideally you want some high explosive or indirect weapons that ignore cover to get infantry out of a building.
Thats just our system (Ostfront), there's many different ways to handle this.
>>44212746
anyone?
>>44176204
>>44212746
>>44219615
if someone finds it, then it will be posted
maybe OP can put it in the required scans list
stop asking
>>44208494
Good old Herb! I wonder whatever happened to his collection; a mess of classic Britains 54mm of all kinds, and whatever those toy cannons he had were. There's a modern version of the Little Wars/Floor Games rules that came out recently, some ex-British Army chaplain or something was revising and relaunching them, but I can't remember the name. Anyway, we've got the originals in our Victorian folder if you're interested.
>>44215044
>This isn't even Talavera, what gave me away?
Your style is very familar after watching the slow steady growth of your army!
>>44219725
>maybe OP can put it in the required scans list
I will do this. Any and all supplements for our existing pdf collections are extremely welcome.
>>44207580
I inherited some of my uncle's model rail stuff, so I might do some 1:76
Does anybody have the Empire in Flames PDF for Bolt Action?
>>44207580
>>44208134
>>44224385
>>Ivan, go snipe Tiger for Motherland
>>44224489
>>44224241
Apologies, thanks guys
>>44224512
>>44224661
is this movie even worth watching? looks cool but how about story and historical accuracy?
>>44224727
Story is standard WW2 stuff, nothing amazing but there's a focus on her life and career I found interesting. Accuracy is pretty good bar the obligatory invented sniper duel, probably the dumbest part of the movie. I definitely recommend it but the subtitles are utter shit, so keep that in mind. Has all those standards of modern Russian movies like the music-video-montage scenes and some very average CGI. The lead is a qt and does a superb job.
>>44207580
Got the 3 resin tanks (Bt-7, Luchs and Chi-Ha) and some sprues from warlord i mentioned a couple of times already.
I also ordered a Squad of HJ as well as a Mortar and anti-tank troops from Greatescapegames. I doubt they will reach be before new year though.
I kinda want to order some books for Bolt Action (only have the basic rules), but i know they had some events last year where you could get the books cheaper or get a box of minis for free when ordering a book so maybe i will wait with that.
Then there is my desire to own a decent airbrush, but i still can't decide on what to get or how much i want to spend on it so i probably end up not buying one (again).
>>44208224
Thats it. Once those are released i'm getting the entire Perry plastics range. This was the last drop needed.
>>44217424
>What's a good way to get into tabletop wargaming with a pretty small budget?
How small is your "small budged"? For a skirmish game like SAGA you would need the rulesYou should be able to get them as Pdf somewhere around /tg/ if you want to save moneyand maybe one box of plastic miniatures to have the absolute essentials to play. That should cost you around $50.
For Bolt Action (battles are bit bigger than a real skirmish game) you need rules, your army book and for a small force (500-750) maybe 1 box of infantry and maybe one or two blisters with support weapons like heavy machine guns or a mortar (not necessarily though). The minis alone will cost around $30-40.
But don't spend your entire budget on miniatures since you need tools and paint as well. I suggest to split your budget 50:50 to cover both sides.
Plastic glue, super glue, primer, s basic paint set, wash(es), basing mats (sand, white glue), static grass, a hobby knife, a side cutter and brushes will cost you some money as well.
>>44224727
> historical accuracy?
That webm should tell you all about it.
>>44224893
I don't find the idea of putting a bullet through a 1941-era tank's vision slit unrealistic; a couple of Soviet snipers (although not Pavilchenko) killed tanks with incendiary rounds fired through them. The magic exploding bullet fired by the guy though, is definitely Call of Duty stuff.
>>44224947
I doubt a reglar mosin sniper rifle would be strong enough for such a thing. Thats more At-rifle territory.
>>44224984
But anon, SOVIET STEEL STRONK
Seriously though a PTR-40 would be much more plausible, yes
>>44224792
I plan to get two of each HYW boxes for a fukken neat Bretonnian Border Princes army. I'll try to paint it at least semi-historical, thus HYW armies will be ready too.
I just need the money, time, space...
>>44217424
>Also, digital wargaming programs?
You can get away with doing it on Tabletop Simulator, too, especially for minis wargaming where having a 3d environment is often important.
That helps with the budget thing, too, since the program is like 20 bucks and there's tons of models on the workshop for free (mostly 40k and ww2 tanks at the moment, but expanding pretty regularly and a little proxying ain't too bad).
>>44217424
Steel Panthers is well supported. You can even get it free if you can stand 800x600 windows for both WWII (1930s-1946?)and Modern flavors(1947-2020?).
http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Camo_Workshop/WW2/WW2_page.html
If you've ever wanted to have a grand showdown between Finland and Russia, Rhodesia and ZANU, Communist and Nationalist China, or whatever else your heart desires, it's there.
>>44224385
How do you get paint to stick to Zvezda? I got their WW2 German Infantry kit and even after washing and soaking in god know what for god knows how long three different primers have slid right off of them like they are made of grease. How in hell do you paint them?
>>44226512
>have slid right off of them like they are made of grease
Let the primer dry. Never had this problem desu, I could paint my Zvezda figs without any problem.
>>44226512
i'll tell you when i'll open the box, let them season for a bit, find motivation to work and then maybe paint them.
>>44226512
I hate to paint 1/72 as well. That vinyl-like soft plastic is terrible.
>>44226081
Those'd be great if the eyes didn't look so damn stupid.
>>44226642
Painting eyes is hard.
>>44226664
Don't paint them then.
>>44226664
The most common mistake people make is they paint them white first then do a black pupil. You should really do it the other way around, paint them black then put a very small white dot in the outside corner.
Most reliable way to avoid crazy eye syndrome.
>>44226676
I don't. Because i know it will ruin my minis.
>>44226605
>>44226512
There are two old tricks for painting soft plastic figures:
After washing the models to get rid of any mould release agents, as you would for resin (except by a couple of insane companies that don't use any and produce high quality stuff, Ainsty castings is one of those) and doing the standard cleaning up of mould lines (use a knife rather than a file):
Paint them with varnish before undercoating with primer.
or
Paint them with PVA glue before undercoating with primer.
Specifically primer and not just spraypaint.
The technique has been in use for pretty much as long as Airfix has existed.
>>44208224
Hnnnngggggg I need it
Almost there.
That is the first time i'm painting tank/truck, so don't be to harsh
>>44228036
Benches could be a bit more defined (some highlighting would benefit the model greatly), same stands for the rifle on it. Some weathering could be used on the walls of it too, but overall, not bad.
>>44228170
Yeah, highlights are still missing. The fire extinguisher will get some as well.
Overall it comes across really bright because of the flash, but you are right about those clean side walls.
>>44207580
Going colonial. Picked up a hardcopy of Soldier's Companion, which seems like a neat set of rules from the PDF - it's Space: 1889, but designed as a colonial game with VSF added.
Planning on putting together a unit (20 figs, probably doing 24 to appease my autism and make it TSATF-compatible, I think someone around here plays that) of brits, one of allied troops, and 3 units worth of some opponent or other.then a unit of martian askaris
But I'm starting with the brits. Red shirts, sun helmets, and no bloody kilts.
One thing I like about the way it's set upat least on marsis that if there were three or four battalions around and they wanted to assemble a column to go do something somewhere, they'd grab companies from different units. Feels a bit like the good old days of 2e 40K, where an Imperial Guard army would have a squad of catachans, a squad of valhallans, a cadian heavy weapons squad and some rough riders from planet hun. Some proper stout english lads, a bunch of scots, a company from the colonial regiment, and a couple of companies of natives from wherever the fuck.on marsbut you know, on earth too
>>44226742
I have not tried the varnish trick yet. I did pick up some krylon fusion plastic paint that supposedly bonds to anything, and if that doesn't work I'll melt them.
Hey /hwg/, which ruleset would you recommend for Vietnam War games? Something around platoon level or maybe company. For 1:72 figures and a handful of AFVs. I've read Ambush Alley could be what I'm looking for, but any other recommended options?
Hey guys, does anyone have a PDF for the latest FiveCore rules?
So, what basing methods do you prefer for the units in your modern games?
For example WW2 or modern, I usually see people basing things individually in FoW for instance, and I don't know if it's the best. I don't know if it actually accomplishes something, or if it's just to remove casualties, which you could even just count as hitpoints for the whole 'element' or base.
I don't know if anyone's familiar with Impetus, but that game uses large bases that represent units, and they lose fighting strength as they have casualties, but you don't actually remove anything.
Do you think this could be done in modern wargames? Any examples?
I'm thinking, 40K popularized that stuff with lots of dudes based individually, and then FoW copied it
>>44229365
Are these Front Rank, or old Bretonnian knights?
For ancients, Samurai and Napoleonics I got with my usual multibasing - 4 infantry to a 40mm square, or two cavalry for a 50mm square, with 2-2 half-bases per unit so I can put the command base in the middle of the first rank. For European medieval (Crusades and HYW) separate basing (20mm square for inf, 25x50 for cav), for WW1, WW2, Vietnam and modern 20mm round washers for infantry, random for support weps and other similar stuff.
I'm not familiar with Impetus, started to read multiple times, but never got anywhere with it.
>I'm thinking, 40K popularized that stuff with lots of dudes based individually, and then FoW copied it
FoW doesn't base dudes individually.
For something like you described, check out Mantic's Warpath, it can be easily modded for other modern games.
>>44229365
>and then FoW copied it
what the fuck are you going on about? you dont base individuals in FoW. Nor have I ever seen anyone base individuals in FoW. the ruleset doesnt even allow for it
>>44229365
I actually like single based 28mm minis. Those laser cut movement trays like the one from your pic made for squads/regiments are available for really little money these days too
>>44229537
>>44229365
Probably mixed up Bolt Action with FoW.
>>44220043
>Your style is very familar after watching the slow steady growth of your army!
Thanks, I think that's a good thing!
>>44229365
1p (20mm-ish) or 2p (25mm-ish) coins, depending on scale.
For 6mm, infantry on 1p coins with 4 miniatures to a base, vehicles on 2ps.
Individual bases for anything at 15mm and above, I go to 6mm or 10mm for anything representing more than 1 person per miniature.
I've noticed units don't tend to get degraded so much in modern warfare games as obliterated. They're either effective at fighting, suppressed (possibly with casualties) or gone; fled, dead or both. But then the way stuff works, there's not really much call for disrupted formations in massed units of infantry when everyone is spread out.
40k only really popularised lots of individually based infantry because they also pushed for 28mm, and selling a lot of models. Hell, Warhammer literally started out as a way to sell people more fantasy miniatures at a time than they were buying for their RPG games.
The system of using individually based models at 28mm for modern combat though is pretty much the best way to do it if using that size of model. There's a lot of game design that goes into how units not only operate and interact with the battlefield, but are perceived by the players. And multiple-basing in this instance is bad design. And if the game is calling for so many models on the table that you need multiple models per base or movement trays to push them about, that's bad because it is mismatching scale of miniatures to battle. And if there is no requirement to disperse units for realistic reasons and they end up moving around as tight blobs ala bolt action, that's just bad design for failing at a basic part of the simulation of reality that the game is trying to represent.
>>44230275
Okay, poll time:
How many of us have a cat? We have two in the family, they aren't that destructive towards my wargaming figures as it might appear.
>>44230468
I have one, hes 3 months old. He fucks with EVERYTHING he can get his paws on.
>>44230468
I do.
>>44230492
If he's that young, he'll do stuff, but if you subtly hint him he shouldn't do that, he'll learn.
Same thing went with my younger cat, my mom took her home after she meowed at her from under a car. Broke some lances, but now she avoids my shit altogether.
>>44229191
Force on Force and Ambush Valley are superior then? Flipped through it, and it seems nice, I just need to get a box of Pegasus USMC...such a shame only three boxes were made for Vietnam in 1:72.
>>44230468
two
Smart enough not to jump on the workspace quite literally covered with tiny sharp objects. Smart enough to realize I can't stop them from hopping on my lap when my hands and brain are occupied painting fine detail.
I do make sure to keep the area closed off when I'm not around, though. Better safe than sorry.
>>44229191
Ambush Valley + No End In Sight.
Ambush Valley (the FoF supplement) for information, even though it's actually pretty weak on the VC front and scenarios, and NEIS for the system for doing what FoF does but without having to remember a bajillion special circumstance rules.
>>44231556
Try SHQ and Elheim for metals, they're my favourites.
>>44232499
Thanks senpai.
Painted up a Esci Zulu War British infantryman, as their new Rorke's Drift box made me think I should start that conflict too. I have two boxes of Brits and one Zulus anyways, so picked one up as a light night painting. I went for a generic "British infantry in the period" instead of a specific regiment's member, hope I didn't fuck up anything.
>>44232888
>>44230044
Those are actually really good points in favor of individual basing for modern and/or sci fi and futuristic games. That way the miniatures and units can work well in cover.
Now, there are two different ways of doing that, one is Warmahordes for example, where any dude in the unit can do whatever he wants, and the other is Bolt Action/WH4k (thanks guys, I just brainfarted and confused both games), in which all the unit does the same.
Which do you think it's the most realistic for a modern warfare game?
I believe there could be some stuff like support heavy guns which do something differently (for example, cover the riflemen as they advance), but the unit itself should all do the same stuff.
>>44233739
It's down to how abstract you like your games. If four dudes are on a base, and explain how one does this, the other does that, and ta-da, then I guess it's fine. Like I said, check out Warpath, it could help (especially how it's based on modern warfare apparently with smaller teams of 5 men that can be expanded by two units joining).
>>44189711
>http://s1245.photobucket.com/user/bracken96/library/fallschirmjager%20tutorial%20sump%20f%20muster44?sort=3&page=1
Holy fuck this is the best tutorial I've seen for these guys thank you so much!
>>44233739
The most realistic option for modern games, with the parameters of 28mm figures and a battle size of around an expanded platoon at most, is to allow for individuals within a unit to act on their own but with various mechanisms in place to keep units together; if only for morale purposes.
Typically this is via some sort of radius around the unit's commander, even if you are accounting for universal radio communication, within which it's easier to get get individuals to do things, even if it's just recover from being suppressed. Highly trained and experienced the combatants are can increase this basic operating distance to show how better quality troops are more capable of fighting in a manner that is appropriate.
I'd also argue for use of template weapons, as this tends to create more realistic assessment of how troops are spread out.
Or at least in my experience, after the first grenade manages to frag/pin half a squad that was bunched up behind a single short hedge, people tend to start spreading out and being far more concerned about not getting bunched up.
But overall, I think that more realistic play comes best when the game mechanics don't force things arbitrarily, but encourage players to try and us/compose their force more realistically. It'd be easy to say, take Bolt Action's system (which doesn't use template weapons and troops tend to form blobs or ranks even) and then add a rule saying that troops if not in cover should remain X inches apart from the next guy so the unit doesn't get taken apart by a single HE round, or you can just give explosive weapons templates and let that do the work without having to jam in extra rules to try and improve at least that aspect of it as a simulation.
Side note: how BA operates like that makes me think that the all-but-confirmed Vietnam version incoming is a really bad idea.
>>44235205
Interesting.
How about having a rule that makes rookies group together when they're under fire? That could make them vulnerable to template weapons, and would make elite troops much more resilient to that kind of stuff.
And it's related to what veterans tell about rookies, that they just group together when under stress
>>44235568
Rather than make them, have the command radius be smaller and require additional people near a model that is pinned to un-pin it.
Or even better than that: have it so that any unit can gain a bonus to recover from a helpful buddy model, but make it so that rookie units have a low chance to recover on their own so require every bonus they can get to recover from being pinned. Which will far more naturally lead to the same effect without adding in special-case rules that only apply to rookie units.
>>44230468
i dont have any pets.
Just the odd moth that stops by
>>44235205
for 28mm we do skirmish rules - everyone acts individually, but orders can only be given up to 12" away from an officer. Keeps things together.
>>44229191
Charlie Don't Surf?
>>44228546
This sounds cool, and I've had two boxes of 1/72 Zulu war brits and one of Zulu sitting around for years unsure what to do with them since it's too few for a large scale battle and I don't really care to buy more. I will check those rules out, would be cool if I could fit my WW1 Germans with feldmützen in as well
Do you think it's a good idea to have medieval/ancient games a la Saga or Lion Rampant, with units of troops being individually based, or do you prefer the approach of FoG, DBA, DBM and all that, based in different elements or even just a base for the whole unit?
For modern it feels better, but for ancients, having them based individually just makes it look like there's so little troops.
Ancient times have a feeling of huge armies fighting against each other, but why is that? Was there no important skirmishing? Or is it just not recorded?
i'd love a skirmish game about ancient times
>>44245793
>i'd love a skirmish game about ancient times
Use a medieval game with appropriate equipment and troop types. I'd say you can use WAB with the WHFB skirmish rules for 6th ed without any problem.
>>44245793
> Was there no important skirmishing? Or is it just not recorded?
Tons, it's just tiny skirmishes of a few dozen men are never going to be as historically significant as pitched battles.
Ambushes, raids, scouting parties clashing have all happened for basically as long as there has been war.
>>44241065
They'd probably work just fine. It is alt-history, after all.
There are some designer's notes for the wargame here: http://www.heliograph.com/space1889/scdesignnotes.html
There's a not-entirely-shit scan floating around, a better one available from Wargame Vault, and their print-on-demand copy is reasonably priced and well-printed.
As for the setting, it's sort-of proto-steampunk, _very_ much more on the proto- side than the steampunk side. Planetary romance with armies, not so much cogfucking, and anyone who whacked a few cogs on the side of their hat and spray-painted it brass would be laughed out of the room.
>>44245793
>Do you think it's a good idea to have medieval/ancient games a la Saga or Lion Rampant, with units of troops being individually based, or do you prefer the approach of FoG, DBA, DBM and all that, based in different elements or even just a base for the whole unit?
Why not both?
For battle games, I prefer the latter, but multiple large bases per unit can be nice for formations. I do like a good skirmish though, whether it's a dozen dudes or a hundred in a larger skirmish a la Saga, Lion "Not As Bad As /hwg/ Says" Rampant, Rules According to Ral, or whatever.
That reminds me, I must play a Dux Brit campaign this year.
>>44246288
>Lion "Not As Bad As /hwg/ Says" Rampant
I'm looking for a cool little project with some variety on what I've been painting at the moment over christmas. It doesn't actually have to be historical, but otherwise I want it in 28mm or 6mm. I've been doing a lot of Napoleonics lately so the uniforms are getting a bit boring.
I'd prefer a small number of minis if possible, but some variety would be best. I don't mind even if its Napoleonic, the thing is I've just got a single female Grenadier Officer and every other mini I've got is rank and file.
>>44248233
Skirmishes based on the Mesoamerican Flower Wars. Small number of models and lots of opportunity to get creative with bright costumes (uniforms seems like the wrong word) without being confined by the strict specifics of Napoleonic uniforms.
Plus terrain is super easy, just use plastic aquarium plants as jungle.
>>44248300
Paint one in a Superman pajama just for fun.
>>44246288
The problem with skirmish rules (traditional skirmishes I mean, every man for himself) is that they usually lack complexity.
And also the problem with many of these large skirmish games, like Lion Rampant, is that casualties tend to be pretty high, compared with the amount of models there are in game, so battles are extremely fast
>>44230468
I have a cat, she's been in the family almost 14 years and is going a bit senile, but doesn't destroy anything unless you get really stupid with it like leaving it right on the edge of the table.
>>44184769
Unfortunately, if I end up in NZ, I don't get a lot of say in where I'm going. I'm a solider in the Canadian Armed Forces, but I've got my papers in for a transfer to the New Zealand Defense Force. With my rank and trade, the two bases I can be posted to are Burnham Camp or Linton Camp, near Christchurch and Palmy, respectively.
new scenario released for Flashpoint Campaigns today.
West German regiment on the attack against soviet defenders...on the big big map.....
see how things go with it
>>44244033
Underrated setting.
>>44175792
need anyones help bros, does anyone know were I can get a pdf copy of Gordon in Central Africa, 1874-1879 ?
I found on ebook copy but it's unreadable once you put it on a kindle, poor student fag here need it for my dissertation.
>>44245793
>'d love a skirmish game about ancient times
The dacian wars hail caesar supplement has rules for skirmish battles.
Also seconded op....which is why i'm psyched about Mark Lathams Broken Legions it's based off his old rules for warhammer the old west but for ancients but with supernatural elements, germans get a werewolf and dacians get a vampire for example.
>>44248838
Is that for that "CANZAC" thing we've (i'm a toon) heard whispers about?
>>44248838
Nah, it's a full on permanent transfer. I'd no longer be employed by the CAF. I'd be NZDF. Canada and New Zealand are doing a temporary exchange of NCMs of certain trades (Mostly technician-types) next year though.
>>44250780
See
>>44250918
Replied to wrong post.
>>44250918
Ahhh neat! Thanks for the answer. Good luck, have fun over there!
>>44245793
Victrix should be releasing their ancient skirmish rules soon I think.
>>44251424
They've been dead on that front for a little while...prolly shouldn't have gotten involved with mongoose.
Were all Roman shields red? Did they change them during civil wars? or were they a variety of colours?
>>44252106
Variety of colours, at least during the republic. Not sure about imperial romans though
Romans are credited with a lot more 'uniformity' than they actually had
>>44230468
I have one. He wishes he could be a knight. Just like me.
He likes watching boardgames from his place in the cupboard near the table
>>44250590
bump, anyone?
>>44180857
Lmao, Live in lower south Island, absolutely nothing for miles. Auckland is only place I've seen decent set ups.
>>44184769
dude I'm coming to uni next year in dunedin, whats the RPG/wargammign scene like?
>>44252106
For republican romans, I saw a guy at a blog paint them with random tunics within each unit (faded red, green, yellow, blue or offwhite "undyed") and then a different unified shield colour for each "Legion" (I.e 1x Velites, 2x hastati, 2x principes, 1x triarii), blue Legion, red Legion, yellow Legion, etc.
This is what I plan to do when I start my republican Roman Army.
I've always seen late republican/caesarian and imperial romans done with red uniforms/shields for Legionaries, purple for praetorians and blue for auxiliaries, though
>>44254884
Pic related
>>44254747
yeah wel that's what yous get for living in Antarctica
>>44255069
I am erect.
>>44253904
>Miniature baroque chamber group
things I never thought i'd see in miniature.
>>44248695
>The problem with skirmish rules (traditional skirmishes I mean, every man for himself) is that they usually lack complexity.
Depends on the rules, and large skirmish games usually have formations.
Faster, bloodier games are nice sometimes. There's a place for many different types of wargame, even the "move 6", march 9", roll xd6 by gun type to shoot, 6s kill" style.
>>44250918
Well crikey. Linton seems like the place to be; a bunch of squaddies recently got hospitalized (then dismissed) after doing a bad batch of synthetic drugs. Party on dudes! Also you will find a local gaming scene among the Massey Uni students, I'm sure. There is a local group called "Manawatu Duellists".
Burnham is of course in the South Island and hence a few inches left of Satan's asshole. They send the Limited Service Volunteers (i.e. kids who need a kick up the backside) there. These days I think everyone there spends a lot of time working on earthquake recovery. On the other hand Christchurch has a solid wargaming scene; the local wargaming club been around for years, I have a flyer from 20 years ago and they're still at the same address. Good luck to you!
>>44230468
I have not one, but two cats.
One of them just enjoys destroying everything she sees, the other just enjoys headbutting things.
Any recommendations on 20mm WW2?
I'm looking for affordable and at least decent quality. Mostly because shipping is probably going to be pretty expensive and I haven't painted anything in about 6 years so it's probably going to look like crap anyway, I'd rather not waste nice ones.
Plastic Soldier Company and Battlefield/Blitz look ok so far. Do any brands in particular mix well together or are they so small it is difficult to tell the difference?
I'm probably going to paint up a small force of Russians and Germans to play fivecore and some infantry skirmish games with some friends in an attempt to get them into it.
>>44261093
PSC looks bloody stiff and flat. Italeri's newer ranges are good (Winter Russians, Germans and Americans).
>>44261093
Yep plastic soldier company do 3 packs of T-34s Excellent and quick build / snap together. Very cool kits. Italieri also do double kits of most tanks in the war, also very quick assemble and pretty good price.
For this scale you can easily mix and match 1/72 and 1/76 without too much issue. Only if the tanks are right next to each other will you notice the difference.
most of the T-34s you see in the front are plastic soldier. The infantry are all 1/72 airfix. The IS-2s and ISUs are the double pack italieri kits. The T-70 is actually a Flames of War Panzer IV! Rather hard to find light vehicles and light tanks where I live (I haven't tried ordering any online though, and probably is doable)
>>44248695
>And also the problem
> so battles are extremely fast
That can be a good thing as well. While i like to have hour-long games myself, thats not for everybody.
>>44261592
>hour-long games
Heh. One Hour Wargames is a good book! The rules are very basic and... well, over-simplified at times, but they're still fun with or without a few tweaks. The book _does_ come with a load of generic scenarios though, readily adaptable to other games. Well worth the price, although not quite the best wargaming book I bought in 2015.
How good are the Hail Caesar! rules? I imagine the battles to be rather small considering the scale. Is it more an ancient skirimish game?
>>44261624
It's a battle game, not skirmish. The rules are pretty good - it's an evolution of Warmaster/Black Powder. Why would you say battles would be small?
Lots of people play it in different scales, and it works just fine. Others play it in 28mm, and the creators play it in 28mm with thousands of figures and room-sized tables because they're rich fuckers.
>>44261860
>Why would you say battles would be small?
Because:
>the creators play it in 28mm with thousands of figures and room-sized tables because they're rich fuckers.
Thats what i don't have, so the average army of the average player is fairly small i suppose.
>>44261891
Most people don't do that and still get a satisfyingly large game. It feels more like a big battle than warhammer, and it's a hell of a lot more fun than field of glory.
>>44262000
I guess i have to read the pdf
>>44263701
I want to marry that board, settle down and raise a family of tiny little boards.
>>44263780
