World Eater Geometrical Madness Edition
Punished Magnus Sub-Edition
Previously on the Horus Heresy General we discovered that Curze is Coldsteel's Primarch, Scoria turned out to be a luchador playing football with Croatians, one Anon got an explantion for why the ally chart is the way it is, another discussion Lorgar and the whole Monarchia debacle and a small mk vs mk fight happened, an Anon got help with Low and High Gothic issues, FW has a new red book, an IWfag posted his shopping list, fanmade rules for the 1k Sons were posted, one hypothetical picture lead to the Edition's name, one Anon asked for the reason why of why everything happened in A Thousand Sons and that lead to Metal Gear posting plus more in the last thread >>48166617
Red Book Links:
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.zippyshare.com%2Fv%2Fs15Jqk1t%2Ffile.html
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmega.nz%2F%23!Jx1UGCTI!vMJN89z7p8tiEC7YOAj477g6RxDtJ7culVLF3q3godg
HH Book 6 - Retribution PDF:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/8aqx9j3a8erqv8d/The_Horus_Heresy_Book_6_-_Retribution.pdf or
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkat.cr%2Fthe-horus-heresy-book-6-retribution-pdf-t12199249.html
HHG FAQ - http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016) - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
Other official downloads: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads#horusheresy
HH Rules:
Crusade Army List: http://www.mediafire.com/download/1lprm5vd99yafa3/
Mechanicum Taghmata Army List: https://mega.nz/#!LFwTjQ7B!mF0eVOY8P1MPT0a-QSXypXo_ZfskhYynD41PrkaTbD8
30k/40k Rules: https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
30k/40k Rules and more (torrents): https://kat.cr/usearch/%22Forge%20World%22%20heresy%20user:epistolary/
30k Black Library: https://mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg
Strawpoll links: http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764
www.strawpoll.me/10663447
>>48180382
Any more opinions about the heavy support Malcador?
>>48180693
We'll see.
Also, some legions have only 2 specific units, while others have 3. Will that be fixed in the next book? (or at least in the DA/WS/BA book?)
>>48180634
Mostly loaded down with Vindicators and Havocs, followed by more single units like a Basilisk, Deredeo, etc... Between the legion uniques and IW generally having a hard-on for armour I end up running out of room, and just want more big guns.
>>48180659
My usual opponents would be fine with it, still feels kind of wrong to 'circumvent' the official rules even if >>48180732 has it right.
>>48180713
Anyone know what book Contemptor Cortus dreads are in? And are they any good with Dual Chainfists w/Meltaguns, if that's possible?
>>48180778
Well it does feel like RAI, and it's technically RAW atm, so, a gentleman's agreement would be factible. Nice.
>>48180783
Oh, you're right but I was just making that list out of what I had in my shopping cart, but that does seem like a good idea to give him an Iron Halo.
>>48180761
Maybe wait and see if they change it in the new book. At the moment it's 300pts. stock (235, I believe, for Army), can't get AV14 front, etc.
If I took my Militia Malcador and used it as is in a Marine army (without AV14, of course), it'd cost 80pts. more.
>People don't realize how OP the ability to take siege tyrants as troops is OP as hell
>>48180844
RAW only normal Legion Terminators can be taken as troops anyway IIRC, not legion-specific ones.
>>48180780
Book 6. Not sure if dual chainfists is needed, when you get the +1 just for having a chainfist and a normal fist. You could, of course, model them as two chainfists.
>>48180844
Shhh! I think they're cool.
And they're busy competing with my Heavy Support slots with my HSS.
That, and they still don't have their own model yet.
Is there any stories/fluff detailing the process of adding bionics/augmentations to a person? My eye doctor appointment for tomorrow got me thinking.
>>48180861
RAW
RAW
FIGHT DA POWAH
>>48180865
Ah, I don't have book VI, only LACAL, Book V, and AoD Legions.
>>48180861
Nope, special legion terminators can be taken as troops. So justaerin, red butchers, phoenix guards can all be troops. Of course none of those can fire 20 krak missiles on a relentless platform per turn.
>>48180778
There's simply not enough slots for everything, I'm afraid. There's plenty of units I've not taken because I just don't got the slots and I have this thing about not taking more units than I have FOC slots. I like the idea of fielding everything I have at once without the need for Unbound.
>>48180873
Havocs should probably be in the elites slot.
>Havocs are BS 5 (you know, good shots, like elites are supposed to be)
>Allows one to effectively double up on heavy support squads
>Tyrants aren't competing against (and thus fully replacing) generic legion terminators
So I've been working on making an Alpha Legion list that is not dependant on infiltrate mutable tactics to give me an edge of unpredictability again, and I want to know what you guys think-
What I've come up with is
Praetor
10 tacticals in rhinos w/ extra ccw x3
Pyroclasts x7 Inna proteus,
1 deredeo with plasma,
2 sicarans with Las
and the optional units are either
10 destroyers with jump packs and a lone exodus,
20 headhunters,
or 10 termies and a primus, and swap the Praetor with Dynat
Thoughts?
>>48180918
No thank you, please. They're fine where they are.
>>48180918
I feel like IW should have a RoW that is like The Reaping, bringing HW and Havocs as non compulsory troops and stuff.
>>48180918
>you know, good shots, like elites are supposed to be
Then why does the elite slot contain medics and light field artillery pieces, if it's suppose to be super fancy special elite stuff?
>>48180951
How about making Havocs compulsory, but keeping Tyrants non-compulsory, meaning someone would have to fill up their required slots before taking them.
Eh, even if both were kept non-compulsory I'd take it.
>>48181021
But without despoiler taxicals, what would you be throwing to the walls?
>>48180995
Elites seems to mostly be attached assets. Elite units sent to fight alongside but not under a unit, as well as say an attached medical or repairs unit. Odds are every company doesn't have up to 40 destroyers or terminators, those guys are sent to help a company that needs the assistance of specialist assets.
Regardless tyrants as elites is really fucking OP. Just take 3 squads of ten and you get 60 BS 4 krak missiles on relentless platforms with a 2+/4++ save at like 1600 points. You will pretty much kill everything that is within 48" of your army instantly. Up to 10 krak missile hits on a flyer per turn, 6.666 HP stripped off an AV 14 vehicle per turn. Just get some rapiers or sicaran venators to kill heavy tanks and vindicators that might threaten your termies and you are good.
First for VULKANLIVES
Wait, I went on YouTube and I can't find the HH painting videos?
>>48181080
Why artillery shells of course.
>>48181361
From GW?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAbkWeJK8As&index=1&list=PLEaPE4sLDA7usUQ8psGAENPYZs3XjZgsi
>>48181395
Yeah, I went on their YouTube channel on my computer and it wasn't there, however?
>>48181080
You?
Are there any simple methods of increasing the quality of your first models?
>>48181535
Practice?
>>48181379
>>48181433
>>If I can't throw men at walls, then what should I throw?
>Why artillery shells of course
>>Shells...filled with marines!
>Perty nooo!
>>And we can throw both shells and marines at the same time! I'm brilliant. Maybe I'll find some more uses for Boops later
>*comes from under a metal box* Well, deepstriking boops would be too easy. Kept you waiting, huh?
If I were to run a Black Reaving, would I be running Reavers as my compulsory troops or does that need to be specified? I've never been clear on that, despite working on 3 legions.
>>48181571
In one old thread that was the way IW assault marines was determined to work.
>>48181413
The videos are unlisted, anon. You won't find them by browsing.
>>48181556
I did say FIRST models, implying there have been no previous attempts made.
>>48180761
malcadors are garbage
>>48181631
Why are they unlisted and how to find them?
>>48181637
Well shoot, son, I can't think of anything besides watch videos.
>>48181654
BOLS has them all posted on their site. It's just a playlist of WE, WB, UM, SoH, and DG. I've only looked at the WB, SoH, and WE. All I have to say about them is that the WB scheme is too bright and would serve better as a TS or BA scheme. SoH and WE are great.
>>48181628
That sounds kinda like the Angry Marines.
>>I'll name this move...Ride the Fire...uhh, something...Iron...I'll figure it out later
>Why not Steel Rain?
>>Copyright issues.
>>48181277
It was so absolutely retarded to make salamanders caucasians with pitch black skin.
Salamanders were always space marine niggas
>>48181688
Huh.
Here's hoping Duncan does some nice IW and RG vids!
>>48181717
Ooga booga where da relics at
>>48181717
Don't bring this issue up again, anon. We already agreed on threads past that 30/40k diversity were actually disguised white people.
Blacks were dusty whites, asians were squinting whites and so on.
>>48181675
For example airbrushing can net decent results without much experience. Dry brushing and washes, things that have low skill ceilings and low skill floors, oh you apply them X and get Y result without too much room for error. The nature of the technique must be simple yet yield excellent results.
>>48181706
You would think that Rowboat hadn't named that until the Heresy was over, or that one of the other Primarchs thought of it.
>>48181766
Everyone thinks airbrushing is some magic cheater wand but I'll tell you this right now, if you aren't going to become a serious airbrusher, it is not worth spending hundreds of dollars and all the time it takes to clean, maintain, and change colors when using them to buy one just to airbrush or do some shitty zenithals. You can do that with rattle cans.
>>48181717
I just always figured that it was a joke about Salamander minis having caucasian facial features.
>>48181717
>>48181717
WE WUZ SPESS MUHREENS
they shouldve just made the salamanders white.
>>48181535
Thin your paints.
Special Edition of the new Red Book is sold out. Really fucking glad I ordered it last night.
>>48181717
>>48181888
Your both morons.
Our modern notions of races are obsolete when talking about the 31st millenium. Look how much has chaned since the roman empire till today, only around 2000 years.
Peoples of the steppe ousted anatolians. Egyptians are now mostly arabic. Most semetic races, like the jews, are a bastardized mix of classical semetic people and europeans. Most Mediterranean countries, like greece and italy, have a very good amount of traits and genes that orginated from middle east. New world peoples are practically gone, either replaced with europeans or a mix of the two (like hispanics).
Caucasians, blacks, asians, hispanics, all terms that would be basically useless in age of darkness
>>48182003
its the imperium of MAN not the imperium of subhuman. checkmate
>>48182003
Explain White Scars...
>>48180720
Crusade Imperialis https://mega.nz/#!RtMAjRaY!NmM1tptQpOi9sAZECkN7_KbxM9BLWb-p5T3CzyND3bk
This needs to be added to the OP.
>>48182003
This isn't the first time someone has tried posting this. And this lead to Hot Pockets being Hot Pockets.
>>48182194
What needs to be added is an explanation for how to open the damn thing.
I saw another Anon in the last thread complaining that literally no reader or converter can handle this file, and I'm getting the exact same thing.
>>48182194
>epub
:(
>>48182003
It really depends on when all the colony ships left earth and what things were like (politically) at the time. If it's within a few thousand years, today's races will still exist but it's impossible to predict if colonizing missions will be mixed or not. Genetic diversity is helpful for small populations, but if countries still exist then it's more likely that colony ships will have dominant races.
Of course, those races will change significantly once they're stuck on a new planet for thousands of years, and skin color could change independently of facial features. The more isolated the planet, the more change. It probably doesn't make much sense for everyone to look either European or Mongolian in M31 and M41.
>>48182283
Weird, I didn't have a problem with readium once anon recommended it.
>>48182353
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Two thirds of every planet in the Imperium is Space Australia. Unless a certain group is noted to be one culture in Space!, Vostroyans being Russians and the 1k Sons being Space Egyptians for example, then you're a Space Aussie.
Was someone asking about rabbit marines?
>>48182444
That'd be heaps funny, m8.
>>48182194
>They dropped the predatory breasts
how sad
>>48182539
I thought of that since almost every planet in the Imperium is out for your blood much like Australia and from many /tg/ attempts at making Space Australia I put the two together. The Catachans however aren't Aussies despite living in a Space Australia environment but they love it either way.
>>48182583
Wait, what's changed in the Militia and Cults army?
I got a nasty itch to get a Betrayal at Calth boxeven though I shouldn'tand paint them as sexy white-blue WE. How are footsloging WE on the table?
>>48182705
>How are footsloging WE on the table?
garbage
>>48182705
Decent, provided you're not fighting medusae/typhons/spartans/phospex every game.
>>48182705
Get Vigilators, infiltrate 2+ 20 man tactical blobs and fury of the legion them fuckers in the first turn then charge.
>>48182835
vigilators with infiltrate cant join units that dont have infiltrate. kek
>>48182835
>>48182866
Can still outflank tho, if buying vigilators is cheaper than transports. Don't even hafta drop your power armor to get outflank.
>>48182705
They do about as well as any melee hoard army does in a rule set that advantages shooting and gives access to plentiful AP3 or better templates: Not well.
That's not to say they can't work, but you kind of need to go for a threat overload/combined arms approach to make blob dudes work, i.e:
>Use fast armour/planes to bust enemy/dudes/other planes
>drop pod stuff in that can soak damage, like a leviathan
>Laser-destroyer vindicators are your friend, especially since they can be taken in squadrons now
>make a death star of your own, butchers in a spartan are pretty brutal
Basically, you need to have as much stuff coming at your opponent at once that if he neglects shooting/assaulting something he will get shot/assaulted by something worse
>>48182866
Not according to the rulebook and the current FAQ draft. If shrike can infiltrate with an assault squad then so can Vigilators with any other squad.
>>48182925
Does 30k follow the new 40k FAQ?
>>48182925
no. the current rulebook says that IC with infiltrate cannot join units that do not have infiltrate. period.
shrike is a special character and the FAQ draft is a draft and is not rules legal anyway.
>>48182904
yeah you could outflank them or scout them. but for like 100 points vigilator is it even worth it?
>>48183022
FW will probably decide that once the FAQ goes from draft to official status. No idea.
I think FW is better off splitting the HH rules from 40k. Right now the difference is negligible, but the key would be to not go along with the change to 8th edition. 6th to 7th was bad enough for HH.
>>48183044
>the current rulebook says that IC with infiltrate cannot join units that do not have infiltrate.
You mean this?
>Independent Characters and Infiltrate
>An Independent Character without the Infiltrate special rule cannot join a unit of Infiltrators during deployment
I get that its a wonky thing, the current FAQ does say that an IC with infiltrate can only join units with infiltrate but the SM draft and the FAQ draft does set a precedent to follow the rulebook that says
>Units that contain at least one model with this special rule are deployed last, after all other units (friend and foe) have been deployed.
So the Infiltrate rule is conferable to a unit if an IC with it joins that unit.
The entire problem of this is when does the 'joining' happen? And I understand it but all Im saying is that the possibility is there and its clear that the current intention that GW currently has is that IC with infiltrate confer the rule to the unit they join and can infiltrate with them and the case of Shrike is a precedent in favor of that, it being a special character has no meaning, its that he's an IC with infiltrate and can infiltrate with a unit.
But you're right, it isnt 100% official until its on the website.
>>48183236
>Shrike is a precedent in favor of that, it being a special character has no meaning
no, it has ALL of the meaning. he literally has is own special rule 'See but remain unseen', that gives infiltrate and scout. hes a special character with special rules.
IC with infiltrate cannot join units that dont have infiltrate.
Help me decide between Tacs and Breachers for troops.
On one hand, Tacs are a lot cheaper all around.
On the other hand, Breachers have better armor and can take Land Raiders as DTs, but are a lot more expensive.
>>48183419
Generally if you have to ask you should go tacs. Breachers are more for those who know they will definitely take them over tacs either way, whether due to thematic reasons or for some kind of specific build.
If you don't have a very strong reason and desire to take breachers, then simply don't.
>>48183419
Take Breachers with Land Raiders for Legions that emphasize durability, Iron Hands and Deathguard come to mind, Word Bearers can also benefit due to their leadership traits.
Ironwarriors can be a solid option as well due to the synergy they lend to the breaching charges or whatever they are called.
>>48183481
Oh, I suppose that's true. I was just wondering as they seemed pretty cool, and the ability to free up a Heavy Support slot seemed nice.
>>48183488
I'm planning on starting Iron Warriors, right now it's more just theoretical list building and seeing what I want/need to buy. I'm the same anon from earlier, I'm just thinking about my list as I've not yet bought anything, and if the rumours are true about the new box I'll definitely get it.
>>48183528
The problem with Breachers is its challenging to come up with a 500pt list when two barebones breacher squads are 450 and a barebones centurion is 50pts, you won't be winning any games with that haha.
>>48183539
True enough! Though, what sort of 30k games are played at 500 points?
>>48183550
The kind that involves starting the hobby, picking up games at 500pts against 40k lists wouldn't be too challenging.
Part of the fun from my perspective will be the escalation of battle, games at 500pts, invest further to 750pts, make it to 1000k while playing all the while, keeping tally and granting accolades to models that perform over time.
You can truly experience narrative depth simply by playing as you expand your army.
500pts of Blackshields are what I'm rolling with.
I hate to take your time with noobish shit. New to 40/30k. I dont own/ cant download rulebooks so here is my big question: How do i build a World Eaters army? I have cash to burn so any decent army suggestions would be helpful
>>48183607
True enough!
>>48183610
Anon here again. I love the backstory and the idea of a up close and personal shit.. If that helps. Red butchers look good, but i collect DAngles and if they are a mediocre as deathwing, what do?
>>48180882
Plenty. Gaunt's Ghosts has a number of characters who undergo augmentation. Prospero Burns has a character who describes how the Space Wolves essentially rebuilt his entire body.
>>48183610
Are you sure about getting into 30k vs. 40k?
Find a Betrayal at Calth box before they run out if you like Mk IV armor and saving money. That should be enough tactical marines for a while. Get FW upgrade packs to make them look spiffy. Then make your army faster (transports for the tac marines, outriders and/or assault marines for fast close combat units, maybe scimitar jetbikes for fast shooters). Get something to take on tanks and knights (sicaran venator, flyers maybe, maybe even a Fellblade). Add special units and dreadnoughts to taste.
In WE armies, tactical marines are more for numbers and for moving onto objectives and defending them.
>>48183660
If you like Dark Angels just collect generic units for now and wait to see what happens when they get some real attention from FW.
Always pick the army you like, or you'll regret it one day because strength of rules fluctuates over time.
>>48183550
Zone mortalis? 30k doesn't really work below the 1750pts, all the units are to expensive. That said, I've played a few 1000pt quick games that were fun. Each side had like 4 units total
>>48183708
I am new to Warhammer completely, started a 40k army which is awesome. But one i read about the Horus Heresy i was hooked, i have a gaming club that plays so i have a rough grasp.
Ya, i intend to get Kharn and a few weapon and ascetic upgrades. Just dont quite grasp startegy or playstyle
>>48183607
>1000k
I like the sound of million point games
>Tfw awake right as the new book went up and got the LE
>>48183725
I wanted to play DA when book 1 came out, ended up caving when book 3 hit the shelves so I rolled with IF. Been playing them like dangles and I doubt I'll play DA even when their rules come out unless they have some shit I absolutely need.
>>48183779
What's the difference between the limited and regular editions? Does Horus hand deliver the limited one or something?
>>48183815
I can scalp it online for double the price, thats the difference
>>48182194
There's something wrong with that file, no converter is able to turn it into a PDF. They all freeze at some point unable to continue.
>>48182583
The bit in ogryns?
>>48183870
Shit, you work your way up the ladder, you could be a full on recaster one day.
>>48183886
scalping is like the exact opposite principal of recasting
>>48183782
How do you play the fist like dark angles?
So, what's everyone working on right now?
I've got the Start Collectig box for Ig that I'll likely use as an allied detachment of militia, with the Commissar acting as my Force Commander.
>>48184415
I'm finishing up a Sons of Malice to demonstrate what my Blackshields look like.
>>48184415
Waiting for the GODDAMN WEATHER TO CLEAR UP YOU HEAR ME, SKY? YOU CLOUDY PIECE OF SHIT
>>48184192
Kitted out outriders with a seigebreaker. Give them power weapons, twin linked meltas, melta bombs which combined with tank hunter makes them pretty damn good at killing vehicles. Add a nuncio vox and start deep striking termies when meltas won't cut it.
The nuncio also gives my artillery LoS and master of signal beefs up HB support squad so they still feel like IF just with a mobile front line.
>>48184438
Oh, I remember you! Can't wait to see what it looks like mate, it sounds pretty sweet.
>>48184415
Picked up some more super glue and a hobby saw and in preparation for the thick ass resin on the Sicaran Venator as well as a Fire Raptor I got in.
I promised myself I wouldn't put them together until I have all of my troops painted, but we''s see how long that lasts.
>>48184583
Yeah, sorry for the delay! I'm trying to decide what legs to use. Studless, mk V runners or...
>>48184724
Mah man, it's all cool! Looks pretty sweet, I'm liking it so far.
>>48184747
Or firmly planted mk IIIs
>>48184724
These. Looks like a non-production MkV. >>48184801 looks like somebody just threw stuff together.
>>48184831
Throwing stuff together would be pretty appropriate for Blackshields though. But I get what you're saying. Mk V legs it is then. Thanks!
how do I counter boarding marines?
>>48185110
Breacher marines? Medusas, vindicators and phosphex
>>48184440
I feel ya bro. I'm waiting to prime: 20 Assault Marines, 5 Red Butchers, a Spartan, a Dreadclaw, a Praetor, a Brass Scorpion, and a partridge in a pear tree. It's too damn humid.
I keep getting this when I try to enter the FW and GW website. I just cleared my search history and data, going to restart my phone to see if it works then.
>>48185529
Alright, turning it on and off worked. Weird.
>>48185110
anything. they are pretty shit
>>48182283
>>48182295
Get Adobe Digital Editions, maybe?
That or go to Zamzar and convert it to a .pdf for free.
moved back to my parents to help take care of them now that they're retired. birthday is next week. Should I spend money on Forgeworld stuff to treat myself on my next legion or should I try to hold out for Thousand Sons later this year?
>>48182925
that's a specific errata for Shrike. RAW in 40k, he can't join any units, as he has a rule that he may only join jump squads, and has infiltrate.
>>48183022
No. Some units were clearly designed with different interpretations than the GW rules 'writers' had.
>>48183312
>>48183044
is right
>>48183236
is wrong.
>>48185758
What legion do you plan on doing next?
Was out of loop for a while, is master of mankind coming anytime soon?
Outside of The Path of Heaven, anything worth reading? I stopped around Uremembered empire.
>>48185898
honestly no idea. Part of me wants to do Blood Angels because I love the color scheme and would have a lot of fun kitbashing with some of the 40k kits (plus BA + IF = BFFs), but I also am tempted to do a traitor legion. Hopefully that isn't hard to paint.
>>48185758
Inferno is slated for Fall 2016 at the earliest which gives you enough time to do a very small force of another legion or complete compulsory troop choices by (supposed) release period. I imagine 2 squads of tacs is a good start regardless of legion.
I'm looking to start 30k with Emperor's Faggots and I have a couple of questions.
Does anyone have any experience with the Emperor's Children 3rd Company rite of war?
Should I take Fulgrim all day erryday?
If I want a close combat Praetor, should he be on foot, in termie armor, or mounted on a bike/jetbike?
Lastly, how do I deal with heavy armor like Spartans and Knights?
>>48184510
That sounds fucking boss. I've never played against and Imperial Fist player that didn't camp the shit out of fortifications and ran Swagsmund or One Punch Man.
Upvoted
>>48186102
I imagine allying them together would provide a lot if synergy due to the compete opposite play styles
>>48186102
Well, you've got Space Corgis, Ultramemes, BAngles, and Salamanders for your BFFs.
Though, really what you need to do is ask yourself the necessary questions.
Do I like this color scheme?
Do I like this legion's lore?
Do I like this legions rules/playstyle?
>>48186184
Space corgis?
>>48186223
yiffs id assume
>>48186223
Y'know, the Space Corgis. Here's a pic of their upgrade set.
No special helmets, oddly enough, unlike any of the other legions they don't get any.
>>48186094
Angels of Caliban is out. Haven't read it, no Epub has been leaked yet.
I've heard it was average.
Praetorian of Dorn is next.
>>48186285
>yiffers
>helms
Anon, have you learned nothing?
>>48186524
No.I got better though. That one was my first.
>>48186594
I went from painting Grey Knights last summer to Imperial Fists this spring...and it feels like my skill level went down trying to paint yellow. I was not prepared for the difficulty hike.
>>48186640
If it's any consolation, the grey knight looks quite nice, and yellow is a bitch. Good job.
Hurray my Tamiya clear red spray cockpits worked!
>>48186115
>Does anyone have any experience with the Emperor's Children 3rd Company rite of war?
Kakophonis arent really worth it, even with the buffs. I prefer Volkite Culverins
>Should I take Fulgrim all day erryday?
Hes good, but primarchs are really expensive and only really good in large games, 2500+
>If I want a close combat Praetor, should he be on foot, in termie armor, or mounted on a bike/jetbike?
Use Eidolon
>Lastly, how do I deal with heavy armor like Spartans and Knights?
Outflanking multimelta jetbikes/dreads
Or just like any other legion would, with a lightning
>>48186874
Makes me think of old GI Joe toys.
6x Graviton rapiers, yay or nay? I plan on using the kataphron breacher models because they looks awesome and fluffing it up as failed recruits turned into servitors please me but I wonder if its a bit much anti-tank?
>>48184415
Taxicals. Just need to finish cleaning some backpacks and do a few more bases and they're ready for painting.
>>48186874
One on the right looks like an old school Colonial Viper
>>48186835
thanks buddy, that's partly why I'm doing Armored Breakthrough for my Fists, that way the focus is on tankz that I can just use spray cans to paint yellow. speaking of which: Armored Breakthrough makes all Tanks with 3 or less HP Fast, would that make giving Predators HB sponsons a good idea? I'm gonna do it anyway because the sponsons look cool, just not sure whether to do HBs or lascannons.
Got these babies for my terminators today
>>48186115
>Does anyone have any experience with the Emperor's Children 3rd Company rite of war?
Kakophoni even with relentless and as troops are still pretty crap because of gets hot. However army wide access to sonic shriekers has a ton of potential.
>Should I take Fulgrim all day erryday?
Whatever you like really, he is cheap for a primarch and is a good primarch but you don't always need a primarch.
>If I want a close combat Praetor, should he be on foot, in termie armor, or mounted on a bike/jetbike?
As another anon said Eidolon is a good choice, although a normal pimped out praetor is slightly better against rank and file. As for what to do with him, termie armour sucks, besides that just fit it into the army. A praetor on a bike with a power fist command squad and a champion is pretty fucking lethal as part of the open blade for Maru Skara.
>Lastly, how do I deal with heavy armor like Spartans and Knights?
Big guns or mobile assets with meltabombs.
>>48187889
>mobile assets with meltabombs
Can meltabombs be used only be a single guy in the unit in assault or did the change that yet?
So fucking dumb.
>>48188174
IIRC it is just test rules right now. My group disregards them because a lot of units specifically have the choice of giving the whole unit meltabombs. Either way if you are so scared you can always give the sergeant a fist, so you have a power fist and one dude with meltabombs.
>>48183882
>The bit in ogryns?
yeah, was kinda expected really
>>48186835
I am painting my first (3rd if you count the ultramarines and word bearers for BaC board game) army and it is the fists.
I haven't had difficulty with yellow I don't think? Maybe I have been to happy with it? What do you guys think?
>>48188538
Moar
>>48188564
There a way to post more than one image at a time?
>>48188570
Last one
>>48188538
>>48188564
Normally I think photos of models with the flash taken are pretty bad but your guys look pretty good with the flash on so I imagine they're pretty slick. I would say get some lead belcher and nuil oil on the studs and bolter bits, that looks like a grey of some sort.
>>48188579
Thanks, it was too dark in the room without them.
I admit bolters are where I have a lot of room to improve. What I have is eshin grey, with ironbreaker on top. I am very nervous about putting too much metallic on there.
>>48188586
I think they would look a lot better with lead belcher but that's just my view. The rest of the models look fine, I just dont like the grey metals personally.
>>48188594
I will try it out. I always feel like I do really well on a model and then zog it up on the bolters.
I am still, obviously, working on the templar's power swords. I want a nice blend but always end up with it looking like garbage in my view.
I have a contemptor I am putting together. When I get him done I will post him. I've painted it in pieces because I want to pose the dreadnought squashing an Iron Warrior.
What the fuck...
For every smart move GW are doing, theres something like this. Way to make sure HH never ever takes off at store level.
For reference in dingodollars, a normal tactical squad is 65, any terminator squad is 74 (whether vanilla, GK, BA, DA, SW), while all dreads are 74 as well.
>>48188649
Did they raise the price of BaC or is that just Dollarydoos?
>>48188649
100 for that monopose dread. jesus
may as well add 40 and buy any Start Collecting box.
>>48188657
it was 240 or 245 when it came out in oz at first.
>>48184415
Some Alpha Legion tacticals. Just basecoating, as I'm having some detail brush issues and am fixing the problem.
People who play AL; do you do the iridescent metallic scheme or do you just go for a straight, solid color paint scheme
>>48188649
Raised an eyebrow before realizing it's monopoly money and not real dollars. Almost clutch-bought a third BAC set at 50% off before the local store raised the prices to match.Still probably getting another box :---)
>>48188649
Those are some absolutely fucktarded prices.
>>48184415
Alright, got one flamer guardsman, the sergeant, and three regular guardsmen glued. Now I just need to buy some wires to pin their arms, and get one more flamer guardsman and four more regular guardsmen done. Then I'll only have the HWT, the Leman Russ, and the Commissar to go. Then I need to order paints for the Commissar, and Stirland Mud to base them!
Haven't been on all day, anyone post the Age of Darkness Legions ePub yet?
>>48188930
It's not out yet I don't think. Friday, I believe.
>>48188942
That's the Crusade Legions book, Age of Darkness Legions is out now on BL in ePub.
>>48187273
The Xiphon certainly seems inspired by BSG, though it's quite a bit more blocky.
One RG player that posted here at one point even used a modern BSG Viper model for his at one point, looked really nice too.
Got my Word Bearer Terminators done finally, scripts and decals on.
>>48189147
and the front, sorry for the shit house pics
>>48189147
>>48189159
Deathwing bitz?
>>48189394
That Mace and those hoods certainly look like they came from the Deathwing Paladin set.
Anyone have pictures of converted Night Lord contemptors?
>>48189435
There's a few relatively simple ones towards the top for "Nightlords Contemptor Conversion" that may be worth looking into.
>>48188649
ffs gw, shekels for the jew god
>>48189394
yeah the front of the torso is DW bits, and the rest is the calth cataphractii parts
>>48189564
Wait, you mean that the Paladin torso's are actually compatible with the Cataphractii kits?
That is very interesting indeed.
>>48189620
you just need to shave off the back lugs on the paladin torso so its a flush fit and then cut away most of the legs to torso plug so it also fits flush.
>>48189648
Cool, I did not realise the conventional 40K terminator kit torsos could be fitted to the Cataphractii kit, something to look into, won't hurt to add some variety to them.
Many thanks for that information/conversion.
>>48184440
What are brush primers by Vallejo?
Although I can't recommend their white. Maybe I was unlucky but it's super liquidy. Black is good as soon as you shake it enough though.
>>48188538
>>48188564
>>48188570
>>48188578
You're lucky we're not in the /wip/ thread, I would have ripped you another asshole. Have a guide on how to take a bloody photo.
>>48188649
Way to bait with dollarydoos.
But I'll be the first to say that a price hike of 5 pounds on everything is bullshit for us. But understandable for them.
FW stuff is rather obscure to the low class buyer. Chances are, he never hearw of them. And suddenly, he starts hearing about all this new stuff, that the Horus Heresy is actually playable, with plenty of nice models!
That is definitely with a little price hike isn't it?
Or so I guess they thought.
>Wayland Games MkIV BaCticals: £24
+free shipping over £50
+comes with a box
-takes like 3-5 weeks to arrive, +1 week for pre-orders if you order right now
>Ebay MkIV Bacticals: £24
+takes like 0-2 weeks to arrive, assuming that the seller isn't being a shit
-shipping is £4 and £2 extra for each sprue after the first
-slightly higher risk of parts missing or getting damaged in transit, more of a hassle to get a refund
-sprues touched by a filthy Polack
Just finished putting together my Praetor. Rampager legs, regular WE MK II torso, WE shoulder, MK II other shoulder and jump pack. AoS Skullcrusher axe and head. Calth arm because I somehow ran out of the regular ones, had to put a bit of greenstuff to get the right pose. Filed off the Khorne markings from the axe and the axe's arm, was a lot easier than I expected.
>>48190291
The right arm looks horrible
>>48190291
I'm not sure those legs were the best choice with that size axe. He looks like he's tottering over sideways. Sorry.
Slightly off topic but I think here is the best place to ask.
I'm not really a (ultra/tacticool) marines fan, but absolutley love the fuck me some religious fanatics & from dark. Because of this I picked up some black templars and extra purity seals. First tactical squad looking good (lots of robes, incense burners, purity seals, chainswords and FAITH)
I was wondering if there were any suitable FW minis that might fit my grim dark rabid church rapers fetish. I've been eyeing up phoenix terminators and those other emp children sword folks. grave wardens seem neat too.
>>48182194
Tried 5 different PDF converters. They all freeze up 47% through the converting process.
Could someone who somehow succeeded in converting this epub be so kind as to upload a pdf file ?
>>48190427
I was hoping it would look like he's using his jump pack rather than just kinda standing with it, but maybe not.
>>48190465
You'd definitely like the Word Bearers. Might Need some converting to get those aesthetics you're looking for, but you get a head start with the engraved writing and all the book iconography.
Is there any fluff about Night Lords being buddies with Death Guard?
>>48190773
Curze was fond of Morty.
>>48190811
Why is that? Where is it in the background?
>>48190829
The edgelords got to stick together.
>>48190829
A shared disdain for personal hygiene.
>>48190829
>>48190829
Theory says NL marines appreciate DG not shying away from using chem weapons to melt people.
As you can see on the alies chart, this alliance is asymetrical an the DG simply don't mind them
As such, it's a case of "Notice me chem-pai" by the NL. Reminds you of someone?Captcha is pie
>>48190971
Curzefag, did a Death Guard player hurt you, so now you shit post here as petty revenge?
>>48190971
The beliefs of the legion are not the beliefs of the primarchs. Pre-Heresy, there were plenty of Iron Hands who looked down on the Emperor's Children, but Ferrus Manus never felt that way about Fulgrim.
>>48191075
>The beliefs of the legion are not the beliefs of the primarchs
Oh, I'm aware. If the beliefs of the DG were exactly the same as Morty's, then they wouldn't even have battle brother. Everybody except Horus would by By the Emperor's command, or rather, by his bet.
Still, legionnaires are a reflection of their fathers, even before they even met them.
>>48190673
Thanks anon, will check them out!
How humid is too humid to spray prime? I can't really tell by feel because I used to prime in an attic but no longer have that luxury.
Why is the Phobos pattern so common with Termies?
>>48191519
Probably because it has the highest transport capacity and is the only one with assault vehicle
>>48183759
aye comrade, AYE
>>48191748
I meant weapon pattern. So many Phobos patter combi-weapons.
>>48192230
Phobos is one of the moons of Mars, probably a lot of weapon manufacturing going on there.
>>48191075
Makes me a fan of the alternate World Eater rules that come with one of their special characters, it would be nice to see War Hounds pre nails.
>>48188649
The moment I saw the leaked prices for the new sets, I bought a BaC set, even though I only needed like a tactical squad. I'll put whatever I can to use and sit on the rest before selling them.
>>48188529
But it's still there. I checked the book and the bit about predatory beasts is still in the entry.
>>48186874
>>48186524
>30k SW with no helmets
They could have at least made bare heads for them then.
>>48189818
My bad, hadn't ever taken pics of my dudes before
>>48192343
There probably will be some helmet addition somewhere, if not you can always buy 40SW bits haha.
>>48192536
Unfortunately they're mostly MkVII. I did get the plastic MkVI SW helmet for my Moritat, who's in MkVI armour. Other than that, I just stuck with standard helmets really. Some fancy ones from, say, Sternguard bits for higher ranking dudes.
>>48192587
I decided to use Mk2 World Eaters helms and Mk2 Iron Warriors torsos for my rank and file.
The star on the IW torsos is a symbol of the unification wars.
>>48192587
Now I only need green stuff for their heraldry.
Thunder Warriors anyone?
Are there any 3rd party bits sites that sell heresy-like marine bits?
>>48192609
>The star on the IW torsos is a symbol of the unification wars.
So that's what that is! Huh, alright then.
Still wish that the torsos looked like Mk.III instead of Mk.IV, however.
>>48192844
Its mentioned in one of the novels, I believe its somewhere in Angel Exterimatus.
The Iron Warriors practice of function before form left them with the same mk2-3 armor they had used since the early crusade/late unification era.
They had the highest rates of attrition in each warzone, as a result their supply chain had to be equally capable of withstanding the losses in war material. IE they repaired all their shit.
Lucky enough for me, I get unification bits
Anyone have a pdf of the crusade imperialis army list yet?
>>48193009
Tried 3 different programs and they all froze about halfway through. I think the file is a bit fucked.
>>48193033
File works perfectly fine, it's just you faggots are allergic to using an actual epub reader for some reason.
>>48193083
epubs are dogshit
Totally going to use that Iron Mask looking head for my Praetor when I order him. That thing looks awesome.
So, /hhg/, what's your favorite upgrade set?
>>48188649
Wow, I'm glad I bought a 10 man Tac sprue off eBay the other day. Got it for $25. I seriously hope you guys don't pay for any of this.
>>48193095
Then buy the physical book yourself and stop fucking moaning.
>>48193119
Probably the Dark Angels or Death Guard one.
I play neither.
>>48188649
>tfw bought 2 calth boxes and 10 extra cataphractti off ebay for dirt cheap
kek
i hope the next calth box gets leaked soon
>>48193083
Nope, it's a mess even when reading it in epub format.
>>48186640
Shit dude there is normally a highlight or something after dumping wash on them. These are grey Knights not necrons
>>48187720
Be warned- the cutting ridges make the paint job look like shit unless you really sand them down.
I'm the dark angels anon from many threads ago who bought the dark angel version (with all the little feathers). Sanding was a bitch.
>>48188538
I'm seeing a lot of grey plastic for painted models man. And things like the trim of the shoulders being part black and part yellow... consider maybe painting the shoulders separate? Or something.
>>48189159
Anon, amazing use of deathwing Knights with the cataphractii armor. Everything on those bad boys looks great.
I'm surprised the robes fronts fit so well.
>>48193267
Uh-huh.
>>48193440
YEah what a mess, wheres my pdf?
>>48193119
World eaters heads, or Night lords.
>>48193440
(I am not 48193267)
Looks a lot better on your reader, guess I'll DL that, on mine it was displaying the text on one side (with zero layout) and the background image alongside it. Quite awful.
>>48193541
Providing you don't mind installing then uninstalling Chrome, I have to say Readium's been a revelation.
>>48193564
>Providing you don't mind installing then uninstalling Chrome, I have to say Readium's been a revelation.
I use Chrome as my main browser anyway, so it's fine to have Readium as an app alongside it. The layout is much much nicer now indeed.
>>48193564
I had been using SumatraPDF until now. That opens .mobi and .epub files just fine but doesn't seem to do anything with any available layout information.
This does, so it's a massive improvement.
>>48193440
>No better than a PDF
>Have to install new software to read it
Or I could just use PDFs
>>48193694
>Or I could just use PDFs
No you couldn't, the reason being that there isn't one.
>>48193731
For this one book, most of the info is already in book 5 anyway. Why would anyone even save something as an epub instead of a PDF?
>>48193694
>Have to install new software
jesus you're a fag, the thing you want is right there and you don't even have to stand up to get it yet you're still complaining
>>48193839
>just install jewgle and some app so you can read a shitty file format
or just upload a fucking pdf
>>48193083
>File works perfectly fine
Well then do provide a PDF of it, because none of the programs I've tried it with have been able to convert it. And they've all worked perfectly fine on other files.
>for some reason
Yeah, the reason being it's shit. No reader has ever worked as well as any basic PDF reader. The moment they'll work as simply as a PDF without me needing a proprietary software to read them, is the day I'll go over. Before that day, I'll just stick to PDFs, thank you very much.
>>48193880
>>48193896
You're acting like a pdf exists and people are holding it from you just to spite you. Stop being whiny faggots and either buy the book or be patient.
