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>>47710293
RESOURCES
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>CARD SEARCHING
>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
http://www.magiccards.info
Also, try not to let the thread die this time. Just make a new one.
>>47723600
you forgot the title shit boss
>>47723665
Oh I know I did, I'm filled with 10,000 lamentations because I hate making new threads. Maybe I should just delete things and skulk off to the lurking shadows. I had to go to the archive to get all the normal OP.
>>47723600
Hey there guys.
Im new to commander. I have seen alot of games online (MTGgoldfish and some others) and this seems like the format for me!
But my problem is I dont know which commander or deck I should get.
Do you guys have any recommendation, based on the following:
I really like:
> BIG slow (expensive) creatures with weird or crazy abilities
> Playing control and copying my opponents stuff (be it creatures or instant and sorcery's - Control Magic, Supplant Form, Talent of the Telepath and Villainous Wealth)
> Enchantments (I like to have a lot of em. Both cheap and expensive. I really like Primeval Bounty)
> Powerfull "jank"
> Grindy games
Im not a big fan of:
> Combos that instantly win you the game (i do like combos, but not those who wins the game on the spot)
Some of the commanders I have looked at are "Grand Arbiter Augustin IV" and "Damia, Sage of Stone".
Im not necessarily sure about the color combination, but I really wanna play blue. I also wanna play a deck that is fun to play against.
What do you think? Do you have any recommendation and links?
I would like it to be under 100 dollars. I dont mind playing with less optimal cards. I can upgrade over time.
>>47723679
throw another lamentation in there because you fucked up
>>47723802
For big stompy stuff, you can just do anything green mostly but I've had the most fun playing Mayael for stompy stuff
Control and copying stuff is exactly what Riku does
Zur is the best enchantment based commander but also tends to get hated off of the board super hard, so if you want enchantments, go with Bruna, or if you're feeling particularly jank, BW Daxos
If you want grind, Meren or Jarad just grind value out of creatures, but Damia isn't a bad option if you build goodstuff
EDHRec is your friend, trust me. If you want a deck that basically doesn't cost a lot of money and is effective, look into the Sidsi Ad Nauseum build or the Mikaeus super-budget build because both should still be undser $40 or so but they're both mono black decks that aim to just shit out wins in the dirtiest possible way
>>47723802
Hey anon, that's a lot of questions.
You probably want to play something U/G or W/U/G. The reason is that blue enables you to use a lot of control stuff, green generally has the stompiest creatures, and U/G is usually a pretty casual friendly deck. You get things like Kruphix (read: not prophet of kruphix) and W/U/G has a pretty good precon with a bird wizard as a commander.
Now, going a little off the board here, try a Sederis R/B/U deck. Fill it full of removal and control shenanigans, lots of self mill, and abuse the crap out of unearth. You'll probably have a pretty good time.
If you want something a little more viable for beginners but a little less consistent, try Xenagos. He's R/G, can give creatures haste, and doubles the attack power of one of your attacking creatures. He's also pretty easy to build, just throw in fatties, protection, and some removal for when you're in trouble.
If everything I said sounds like nonsense, go to EDHREC, browse commanders you like, and just take a peak at tappedout decks so you know generally what type of things go together. I don't expect you to have a T1 $3k deck, but it can show you what works and what doesn't work in general.
>>47723896
Thanks! All those commanders looks great! Gonna look deeper into them.
Those two budget decks looks cool aswell!
>>47723914
Yea I know it was alot of questions but thanks for answering! Cool recommendations.
>>47724031
Riku of two reflections also looks like what you are looking for
>>47723802
Sounds like you might like Yasova Dragonclaw.
>>47723914
>>47724031
If you build a casual deck and play with a groul experienced with the format, do not play Derevi (said bird wizard) as your commander. Derevi is notorious for being the general of an oppressive stax deck that is generally unfun to play against and will paint a target on yourself.
Seconding Riku amd Yasova as generals that may be fun for you.
>>47723802
Pic related would probably fit you. Tho people might dislike you for using it because it can be quite powerful.
>>47725621
From the art it really seems like Uril should be a yeti or a troll rather than a beast.
>>47725661
>yetis aren't beasts
?????
also he's way too fuckin big to be a troll, or really anything but a giant or beast
>>47725621
uril, sigarda and hexproof commanders in general probably aren't advisable since every other player is just going to whine and shit themselves over being unable to "interact" with you because they're fucking bad at magic
>>47725776
>playing narset
>have enchantment out giving creatures haste
>get out narset on turn 6 and attacks
>get Ugin and Karn in the same attack
>tfw i got Ugin and Karn out on turn 6
Man the salt was real
I just got the last card I needed to finish my Esper mana base. Well other than blinging out my shocklands and fetchlands.
How do my friend and I stop our third friend building spike decks? We don't think he even knows his decks aren't fun.
i think i'm gonna build dralnu, anybody got a list for reference?
>>47725924
Talk to him.
>>47723802
Infect nekusar. It will combo out and your opponents will die on drawstep. You can afford 10 jank slots to put in whatever you want like jin gitaxis or dark petition.
>>47725957
We tried. He doesn't understand why he hate his decks.
>>47726185
What decks does he have? Next time he wins you should set the commander and mana base on fire
>>47726185
Try harder to explain it?
>>47726256
>>47726274
So, his decks have always been super spike. His current EDH decks are creature Teferi, angry Omnath, Mizzix storm, a mostly fair 1v1 reanimator, and a shitty Zedruu. He wins the majority of the time because we're playing fun decks in a casual format and he's playing some net-deck. The guy doesn't even understand why Lantern Control is boring. He's a nice guy in general, but he doesn't really get that magic is for fun.
>>47726347
Offer to trade decks with him for a night so you can each try out decks you consider fair.
>>47726185
play gilded drake, bribery, aethersnatch and reiterate. If you play it right he will hate his own deck too.
>>47726401
Don't forget Commandeer
>>47726363
We were thinking of doing that, yeah. But I feel like it would just make him see the problem with one deck, not his whole mentality.
>>47726416
I thought about it and spelljack, but ive played both and they werent good enough. I suppose I should have said stolen goods, nothing counters put on the top of your library tutors like stolen goods.
>>47726347
>The guy doesn't even understand why Lantern Control is boring.
He can't be saved anon, I'm sorry
So I finally got to use a Sylvan Library for the first time last night at an EMA draft. It felt more like a free Top activation every turn than a Brainstorm or Sign in Blood. It smoothed out my draws but not much else.
If I run it in EDH, am I supposed to play lifegain so that I can just pay 8 life every turn for the free cards?
>>47726860
No, just win with it.
>>47726860
sylvan library really shines when you're able to consistently shuffle away things you don't need
combine it with brainstorm, fetch lands, scroll rack.. you get the idea. it's never really about how much life you're gaining or losing with it, it's about how often you can shift the top three cards and manipulate your hand with it
>>47726860
>am i supposed to pay life for insane card advantage in a 40 life format?
gee i fuckin wonder
>>47726960
He plays EDH what did you expect?
>>47726860
I only pay life when I have no way to shuffle some bad cards away. Then I just pay 8 to get done with it.
>>47727078
since when did edh become the retard playstyle?
Played a game with my Sydri deck yesterday vs pretty standard Mizzix and Gitrog. It boggled my mind how incredibly slow and noninteracting their decks were. I was able to get out my mana rocks pretty easily, and ramped into big card draw. Hell, I had new Jace active for 6 turns (got attacked once to keep him off ult) until they both scooped to my control. Is this the new norm? Do people just try to play solitaire and let their opponents get away with murder? I only cast 3 counterspells all game, and one was stolen.
Tldr: play something proactive in your decks
>>47725405
Yeah, that is a cool card commander. I like that it is cheap to cast. Temur is also a cool color combination.
>>47725621
He looks really powerfull, but im not a big fan of voltron. But thanks for the recommendation!
>>47726010
Nekusar, the Mindrazer really appeals to me. Will look into the deck you recommended. Thanks.
>>47724900
Yeah I think Im leaning towards him.
>>47725587
I think you are probably right. It is also what I have seen in the gameplay videos I have seen. Thanks dude.
>>47727643
>nekusar
>le killed you by making you draw your deck zombie
>>47727741
>milling with Nekusaur
>>47727791
card draw = mill
>>47727791
reading comprehension is hard, huh?
>>47727352
since Legacy and Vintage exists?
>>47727841
the win condition is the exact same as mill
there are so many faster, better ways to get a kill with the Zombie Wizard
>Acquired a Chome mox for a bunch of foil EMA commons last night
So, if I have a single slot for a mana rock, and I have to choose between Sol Ring and Chrome Mox, which is the better choice?
>>47728130
Sol ring. The Mox isn't very good except in combo decks.
>>47728130
Sol Ring in most cases, but in the right deck both are worth playing
>>47728130
Unless your deck is reeeeally good, you've probably got room for both. If I HAD to pick one, Ring.
>>47723802
DID SOMEONE SAY POWERFUL JANK?
>>47726872
>>47726900
>>47726960
>>47727098
OK, I guess it felt a bit different in a draft where everyone was playing aggro and 20 life didn't last very long.
The deck I'm considering putting it in is a control deck, and it does run 2 sources of life gain: Invincible Hymn and Beacon of Immortality. I've found that gaining 40-60 life at a time can be situationally useful, so I was considering adding a couple more cards that stabilize my life total. Eternity Vessel, for example. On the other hand, I normally have enough tutor effects to find the hymn when I need it.
>>47723802
This might interest you as well
>>47728650
YESH PLZ! That is the kind of card I like! HAHA! Thanks
>>47728687
Yesh! That card is on my list. Thanks!
GuyFieri.dec is coming along well. Turns out food references and G/B actually aren't a terrible mix
>>47728780
>>47728797
Quit saying "yesh", you thundering faggot.
>>47728162
>>47728163
>>47728182
Got it, ty. My co-worker really wants to trade for the Mox and I wasn't sure whether-or-not it would be a waste to get rid of it. Then again, they just texted me that they just pulled a Mana Crypt so they might be less interested now...
>no Show and Tell reprint in EMA
But why
random guy comes to your play group and plays this deck:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ultra-budget-maelstrom-wanderer/
Your reaction when he pulls the infinite combo and kills your ass?
>>47729484
>it only dies to any >2dmg instant removal
>>47729287
Gotta save some things for EMA 2: electric bragoloo
>>47729142
Jesus Christ edgelord. Calm your fedora. I know it can be weird to see people being friendly, when you live in your moms basement and dont interact with other people beside the cancer on 4chan. Get out of your room more. Not everyone uses the same phrases as you so be prepared b/c your autismo will be triggered in real life. You are that guy at the FNM (if you even show up for that) that the other players hate. You always correct the other guys and look at them as degenerates, when you are the real degeneret. The only girl you would be able to score is ones with low self esteem and on the edge on suicide and you wont make that better.
Yesh you "triggered" me. I hate it when the MTG community are assholes towards others in the community and when people are, they need to be told so. You need to get your shit together and dont be that asshole you are. This isnt /b asshat. Your comment would have been hilarious and very thoughtful if you have posted it on that board and that would have been cool.
> Ohhh you are the one being an ass now. Fuck you faggggoooot
I dont get it though
Why does reminder text - text explicitly put to remind people how a mechanic works - not be considered in the color identity. If Extort accepts both white AND black, wouldn't cards of the mechanic be both white and black? Cards that have abilities using different colors of mana from the mana cost are already considered both for their color identity, so why isn't it the same here as well?
Do Melek and Etherium-Horn Sorcerer work together the way I hope they do?
>>47729583
And here I thought only white could remove things from the game like that.
Old magic cards are so much cooler than what they make now it seems.
>>47729783
Because EDH rules are absolutely fucking retarded and are loose guidelines at best.
What are some good artifact creature tokens generators, /edhg/?
I'm building RUW artifacts and would like to go wide.
When get I get my promo Azusa?
>>47729945
Thopter foundry.
>>47729783
>Why does reminder text - text explicitly put to remind people how a mechanic works - not be considered in the color identity
It might be because reminder text only serves as a reminder, not because it's an exact representation of the mechanic according to the comprehensive rules. Obsidian Fireheart, for example, doesn't actually cause lands to "burn" because that's not a game mechanic.
>>47729966
I appreciate the suggestion, but
>RUW
>>47729969
I get that much, but with mechanics like Extort there is a very clearly put label of what colors it accepts to perform the action of the mechanic. And in your example, "burn" is only used because the thing with the blaze counter is... well... on fire. It's not like there's an uber specific EDH ruling pertaining to the use of fire on your game board, meanwhile there's an uber specific, super important rule pertaining to what makes a card a color or not. Pretty big difference if you ask me, senpai.
>>47729783
The rational is that reminder text isnt actually part of what's written on the card. What's actually written is just "Extort". Take for instance the keyword "Fear". If the reminder text were actually a part of a card with Fear, then it would be legal to Mind Bend/Alter Reality the keyword's function.
>>47729783
I see you crying over Extort, but the reason is Charmed Pendant.
>>47723600
Nice work on the title. So easy to search up.
Can someone tell me the name of the not shit version of this that turns a creature into a forest?
>>47729484
>maelstrom wanderer
I don't play with funhaters
>>47730050
But that's wrong.
Charmed Pendant states
>For each colored mana symbol in that card's mana cost
Yet let's look as Tasigur. He's allowed to be a BUG leader despite the fact that his cost is explicitly black.
>>47730059
Path to Exile.
All memes aside, there isn't one. The closest thing is using Mirrorweave on a Dryad Arbor.
>>47730088
He's talking about mana symbols in reminder text not applying to color identity.
>>47730088
Look at the god damned card, not just gatherer. The reminder text has 3UUB in it, yet it's a colorless card as far as EDH cares.
>>47730124
He's talking about Song of the Dryads, genius.
>>47723802
Jeleva,
mill everyone, steal everything
>>47729945
If you dont already have it on your list, thopter spy network seems great
>>47730088
Extort is the ability. That's it. Just "Extort".
It doesn't read "Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay W/B. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life." It reads "Extort".
The reminder text tells you what Extort does., namely "Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay W/B. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life."
Back to the card.
Basilica Screecher, for example has "Flying, Extort". No mention of the mana symbol.
Neither does Charmed Pendant's ability.
The reminder text is there to explain the ability. But it's still just that: a reminder.
Is this weird? Sure. Would it be understandable to make Extort only work in W/B decks? Sure. But it doesn't, it would be a rules headache to work around it and it could cause problems in the future.
>>47723802
>fun deck to play against
>blue
Pick one
>>47730192
Yeah, I pulled a foil one. Shit's pretty nice.
>>47730129
>>47730138
I find that's a misleading example, because Exort abilities have color specific costs as part of their activation, whereas Charmed Pendant is using the reminder text as a literal example.
I suppose WotC is to blame for this, since activated abilities don't have a color, despite having specific color costs.
>>47730169
Yeah this is what I was asking about. Thanks.
>>47730225
Fear is an ability with a color-specific requirement in it's reminder text, yet it's not elligible for interaction with color text-changing effects because the actual word "black"isn't part of the card's text
>>47730222
I would love that card in foil! Cool
>>47730240
Happy to help.
>>47730059
Song of the dryad senpai
>>47729990
Yeah. WU is the casting cost.
>>47730476
W/B U
currently running a Scion of the Ur-dragon deck. any suggestions? all the shocks and fetches are expedition
1 Arid Mesa
1 Badlands
1 Bayou
1 Blood Crypt
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Breeding Pool
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Command Tower
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Flooded Strand
2 Forest
1 Godless Shrine
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
1 Island
1 Mana Confluence
1 Marsh Flats
1 Mountain
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Plains
1 Plateau
1 Polluted Delta
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Ground
1 Swamp
1 Taiga
1 Temple Garden
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Watery Grave
1 Windswept Heath
1 Animate Dead
1 Asceticism
1 Balefire Dragon
1 Bant Charm
1 Bear Umbra
1 Belltoll Dragon
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Bower Passage
1 Brainstorm
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Coalition Relic
1 Commander's Sphere
1 Conflux
1 Crux of Fate
1 Curiosity
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Delay
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Dragon Tyrant
1 Dragonlord Dromoka
1 Dragonlord Ojutai
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Exploration
1 Explore
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Farseek
1 Heliod's Pilgrim
1 Hellkite Charger
1 Hindering Light
1 Joiner Adept
1 Keen Sense
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 Liliana Vess
1 Lotus Petal
1 Moltensteel Dragon
1 Nature's Lore
1 Nicol Bolas
1 Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
1 Ophidian Eye
1 Plasm Capture
1 Prismatic Omen
1 Rampant Growth
1 Regrowth
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Sarkhan Unbroken
1 Scion of the Ur-Dragon
1 Search for Tomorrow
1 Silumgar, the Drifting Death
1 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
1 Skyshroud Claim
1 Sol Ring
1 Sovereigns of Lost Alara
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Sylvan Caryatid
1 Teneb, the Harvester
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
1 Wargate
1 Wayfarer's Bauble
1 Wheel of Sun and Moon
1 Wood Elves
>mfw i have lignify, dong of the dryads and darksteel mutation in my hatebears deck
Nice commander bro, i hope your deck works without it
>>47730839
I suggest you use tappedout cos tl:dr
>>47728130
you use both
>>47729806
Nope, sorry, cascade casts from exile.
>>47729614
this is the most 4chan insult i have ever read, pretty sure you hit all the meme marks.
>>47730932
Bummer, oh well
>>47731069
I was thinking reddit, with the references to "the community" and thinking he could make the world a better place with his little PSA.
>>47729614
Saved for future copypasta
Thanks \b\
>>47730842
>mfw my commander is Hexproof
Nice single target spells, faggot. I hope you have something else to play them on.
>>47731173
Sick hexproof there guy
Tested this one out earlier today. Went up against a 5-Color Myr deck and did pretty well. Basically burned my opponent's mana base every 2-3 turns while I kept hammering away with my warriors. All in all, pretty satisfied.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/that-which-is-best-in-life/
>>47731149
I see the magic community as a toilet bowl full of turds, the turds at the bottom havr been wallowing in their own piss for years and are happy there, the new turds at the top are constantly getting pissed on and dont understand why and some turds just have less nuts in them
>>47731211
>mfw my commander has Shroud
Sick Spotlight, fag.
>>47730860
fixed it
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/i-regret-everything/
>>47731253
Sick shroud, fella
I wanna make a really "build-around-me" general CMC <5 deck, spoonfeed me commander ideas
>>47731322
edric the faggot
>>47731253
If you actually looked at the list of commanders that have shroud and chose one im afraid you have more problems than what spells someone else plays
>>47731322
Odric. Either one, but the M13 one is better. Loads of cheap humans, soldiers, and token producers
>>47731287
>my commander has hexproof, shroud, indestructible, protection from all colors, cannot be sacced, protection from creatures, regeneration, +11/11, double strike, draws cards when she attacks, and can flicker herself and all attached auras in response to anything.
Can't wait to take my Sigarda for a spin.
>>47731444
How long does it take to get all that online?
>>47731322
Gaddock Teeg
>>47731322
Kangee, aerie keeper
W/U Bird wizard tribal
Go
Y'know the drill. R8 H8 Apprec8
>>47731489
Not tremendously long thanks to low 1+2 CMC ramp/enchantments/tutors/draw accelerators.
>>47731444
How does it have anything attached if it has shroud
2/10
>>47731489
Swiftfoot Boots, Lightning Greaves, Shield of Kaldra, Spectra Ward, Kazaduu Preserver, Spirit Mantle, Regeneration, Eldrazi Conscription, Battle Mastery, Farsight Mask, Flickerform. A real steal at 40 mana
I'm trying to think of a commander away from creatures for once would Sydri be a good start or maybe Darreti?
>>47731541
Not "shroud" de-jure but essentially shroud.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83720
>>47731211
mfw wasting a space on spotlight
>>47731577
>Maralen on the mornsong
>Tutor ad nauseum
>Draw your entire deck of land and 0 cmc artifacts
>Drop dark sphere and zuran orb
>Float you mana
>Sac all your lands for lifegain
>Cast sickening dreams
>Discard 40+ cards
>Clear the table and halve the damage to yourself
0 creatures
>>47731646
Lets you target hexproof shit and in a pinch will let you swing unblockable
>>47731562
Nope. Literally no artifacts involved.
You also added Eldrazi Conscription which bloats that number to hell. The +11/11 actually comes from Ethereal Armor (1CMC) and/or Ancestral mask (3CMC).
Of course my post was the ideal scenario, yes, but entirely possible. Green ramp makes it pretty easy to get a good amount of mana early.
>>47731687
>protection from all colors
>still has enchantments
Riveting tale chap
>>47731681
Or you could put in something that just kills them?
>>47731339
>he doesn't run Kodama of the North Tree spirit tribal
>>47731728
If I don't play Creatures: The Tappening my group gets pissy and focuses on meI don't play it anyway and still win
>>47731614
>http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83720
Nah, WotC have been jews and reworded any and all cards that have abilities like that to be Hexproof.
>Other permanents you control have hexproof. (They can't be the targets of spells or abilities your opponents control.)
>>47731577
well, the new mizzix one is pretty fun
I am looking for free sac outlets in red, white, and green. Anyone have any secret tech?
>>47731661
Sidisi is generally considered a better general for that deck now since she doesn't give your opponents a chance to tutor before you.
>>47731968
Not exactly secret, but you are running Greater Good, right?
>>47731444
nice trips, Sudden Spoiling says, "Hi"
>>47731968
I love suspending Greater Gargadon and then playing good shit.
>opponent tries to blow up any of my shit
>sac it in response to lower the Gargadon's suspension
>they lose whatever instant/sorcery they were dicking around with
Feels good nigga.
Seriously though, Ashnod's Altar/Altar of Dementia/Phyrexian Altar/Spawning Pit for arties
Fanatical Devotion for White
Thermopod and Goblin Bombardment for Red
Greater Good for Green
>>47732025
No. I need the outlets for Hazezon, and Greater Good wouldnt be that useful because of the discard.
>>47731968
Do you want the extra-spicy sauce on your dish, sir?
>>47731724
as long as Spectra Ward is placed later than the others, it's fine
>>47732382
oh wow, I need to get that
>>47732358
Goblin Bombardment and Phyrexian/Ashnod's Altar should be all you need desu
>>47732382
Well that's insanely good.
>>47732307
Nice. I am thinking that Altar of Dementia or the Thermopod might be worth picking up.
>>47732382
Already have it. It's indeed spicy, but not free.
>>47732438
Yeah I have Goblin Bomb and Ashnod's.
>>47731968
Would Bloodshot Cyclops work?
>>47731968
How often does the Gargadon itself do stuff though, once it gets out? 9/7 is a good body, but it doesn't have evasion. What decks do you run it in that makes it viable?
>>47732529
Not really, since he's trying to unload a fuckwad of little tokens at once and you have to tap the Cyclops.
Gluttonous Slime, Hellkite Hatchling, Predator Dragon, Mycoloth and Skullmulcher on the other hand...
>>47732536
Most people generally leave it in suspension with a counter left behind and then Jokulhaps/blow up the entire fucking field and then the suspension kicks in next turn when everyone has an empty board with no land and you've got a 9/7 ready to fuck mouths and asses.
>mfw I pulled an Ashnod's Altar from an EMA pack
>mfw it's going straight into my Krenko deck
>>47732594
>mfw i opened a box and got 0 altars, 0 pyro/hydroblast, 0 natures claim, 0 daze, 0 innocent blood, 0 price of progress and 3 control magic
>tfw I'm the only person in my group who buys singles for decks
>tfw everyone else buys fat packs and boxes and builds with the pack fodder
>get shit-talked for buying expensive singles but group gets pissy when my decks beat the shit out of theirs
How do I tell my group that they're fucking retards
>>47727560
Mizzix and Gitrog are two of the more non-interactive decks to come out as of late. The problem is mizzix needs to just jerk itself off to win since its basically all instants and sorceries that lead to just saying I win. Most Gitrog decks so far that I have seen are way to focused on his ability as a build around, which leads to ten minute turns of drawing way too much with no real creation of threats or responses followed by a 5 minute cleanup step. These decks aren't the norm, your opponents are just poor deckbuilders.
tldr, no its not the norm
>>47728130
swap mox for a basic land instead
>>47732622
I don't mind "drafting" EDH decks with the lads if they always get mad about power discrepancy or singles, but that's the only exception I'll make them.
Like if we buy a lot of 30000 jank cards on Amazon for $50 and just make decks and play them. I will not apologize for making a not-garbage deck though if we've agreed that we're going to do constructed and they're trying to bolster their deck with fatpacks/etc. Someone getting lucky and getting perfect EDH staples from an EMA box is just as "unfair" as someone who decided to save his money and buy singles.
>>47732762
Teleport behind them and slice them with your katana then tip your fedora, you are superior to them in every way possible
Fuck them for not caring about value and want to have fun opening packs in the lottery, the game isnt about fun its about putting another victory postit note on your mothers fridge when you win and you can trade 10 postits for goodboy points
>>47731444
>merciless eviction
>>47732762
Most people know packs are for the gamble. Plus anyone can buy a $4 pack and tell someone without them getting mad at you because $4 is nothing, not to mention you don't tell your friends every time you buy a pack. However if you buy one expensive good single you're gonna tell them, and they are gonna think "wow look at this rich prick spending *absurd amount* on 1 card."
>>47732817
>>47732830
Sorry, but EDH is the wrong fucking format for this shit.
You can buy a precon EDH deck that already has most of the good staples and drop maybe $30-$50 making it viable.
Pissing away money on boxes and fatpacks just for your EDH deck and then getting mad at someone else who just got singles to finish his deck is fucking moronic.
He's not shaming them for buying packs and gambling. He's calling them fucking retards for complaining about spending his money in a more reasonable fashion for playing EDH.
If you want to jerk your dick over that "awesome" rare you just pulled, play Sealed or Draft.
>>47732911
This, basically
I bought a prebuilt Commander deck and it worked out extremely well even before I added some better cards to it.
>>47731968
Goblin Bombardment
Shivan Harvest
Perilous Forays
>>47732936
Yep.
I bought a prebuilt and swapped out stuff in the deck as I went along, basically replacing cards with strictly better/identical cards that have lower CMC or more utility.
My friend wanted to build his Commander deck from scratch and it's a total piece of dogshit, even though he's spent the same amount if not more money than me on boosters.
Apparently using a prebuilt makes me a dirty netdecker, unlike his "honest" off-curve pile of turds.
>>47732825
not that anon, but he has given her flickerform. You need instant speed, and possibly split-second removal ala Krosan Grip and >>47732258
>>47732911
Of course people complaining he spent extra on 1 card is moronic. What I was trying to do was explain why they are doing that. I don't endorse their behavior, but I understand it.
Also just because we play EDH dosnt mean we dont buy packs for fun.
>>47732911
>implying people who buy boxes dont also buy singles and or want trade fodder to trade for singles
>precons
Wew lad
>>47733079
There is literally nothing wrong with Commander Precons you FUCK
>>47733079
>Precons come with stuff like Sol Ring, Command Tower, Skullclamp, Putrefy, Darksteel Ingot, Path, Mortify, Buried Alive, Fact or Fiction, etc
Wew lad indeed. Definitely worth the $30 for a new player.
>new set comes out
>head down to my lgs to buy foil only singles for my edh deck
>store doesnt have them
>find a guy with a foil common i offer to buy for 40c
>he wont sell it, its for trade
>inform him how bad he is and that i only buy singles i have no need for a trade binder
>return home to post on \tg\
>mother has my tendies ready
Fucking casuals
>>47733215
what did he mean by this?
>>47733215
>trying to trade with retards, or even worse, buy from them directly
>not just ordering online from one of the megajew websites that have already piecemealed the set to pennies on the dollar and will have it to you within the next day
Spotted the problem.
>>47733168
>buying a precon for $10 worth of cards you could get as singles
>irony
>>47733254
>Wade into Battle precon sells for $30
>look at price of all the cards on Goldfish/Starcity/etc
>deck value : $60
Nice meme.
>>47733254
Nah, you definitely get more than what you pay for in the precons than you would trying to buy singles, as long as you can still find them for MSRP.
>>47733292
>R/W 2015 precon
>not sure if reverse bait or on the way to special school on his private bus
>>47729236
If they arent interested in the crypt maybe trade the mox + something or some cash for it.
>>47733343
Sell the crypt before sheldon sells his and bans it
What the fuck happened to Reiterate at the tail end of last year? Why'd it shoot up so much?
>>47733332
>>47729819
Its not that old magic is cooler, its just the focus turned more towards beaty/tricky creatures and straightforward spells. Its a bit more casualized now but thats because no kid is going to get into the game and understand what the fuck Chains of Mephistopheles is going to do. And lets be honest, that shit in early MTG was too overly complicated at times anyway.
>>47733332
what the fuck are you trying to say about my girl Kalemne?
>>47723802
GrimGrin zombie tribal or Vorel of the Hull clade. Both can be build cheaply but can do some stupid shit. Vorel can make infinite mana just by making Astral Cornucopia gain infinite counters, cast your whole deck, and just overall have a fun time doing jank.
>>47733368
Some people were memeing with Reiterate + Turnabout.
Today I got an Oloro Commander deck for $35 I also bought a pack of Eternal Masters and managed to pull a Jace the Mind Sculpter.
I am completely new to MTG.
If anyone would like to give suggestions for my Anafenza EDH deck, I'd really appreciate it.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-06-16-uWK-anafenza-edh/
Right now, it just doesn't seem to do anything spectacularly well. Not all EDH decks need to be super specialized, of course, but I'm sure there's things I can add to make it more unique.
>>47728687
> have two of these now
> no deck to put them into
I really need to pick up a gu commander
>>47733408
>completely new
>Knows enough to "brag" about JtMS
Sure bud, I believe ya.
>>47733374
Good luck selling 86 of the cards for 20c each on ebay bro
>>47733408
>Oloro
>>47733414
Reccomend Vorel of the Hull Clade. Works fuckin wonders with altered ego because you can just make it fucking huge.
>>47733427
Fucking everyone knows about Jace.
>>47733413
Keep anafenza, remove the other 99 and replace them with good cards
>>47733427
everyone knows about jace you retard. even if he didnt i guarantee whoever was in the vicinity when he opened it instantly recognized jtms and had a little chimp out moment jumping around hooting and hollering because he saw a JTMS. it's what they all do.
>>47733477
Ive met enough new players to say that unless they have been looking into MTG for years, they wont even have any reason to know what JtMS is. Shit it took me a half a year before I realized magic cards could actually be worth money when I first started.
>>47733523
I mean, I just recently started playing Magic 2 weeks ago coming from YGO for years. I still knew that Jace was an expensiiive ass card. Not the anon who pulled it though.
>>47733413
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-06-16-uWK-anafenza-edh/
There's a lot of sneaky wincons that you should always run in your deck.
- Tainted Strike
- Eldrazi Conscription
- Avenger of Zendikar
I also suggest running a Purety and a Mortify. You're not taking advantage of the best utility cards for your color.
>>47733445
>selling cards ever
Kill yourself.
>>47733546
Thats a bit different. I give someone like you a bit of credit because you are simply involved in the tcg scene anyway so its only natural you will hear of shit like that. Ill also admit how funny it is that so many people come to defend one person who claimed to have pulled a jtms while saying they "just joined" when hes just looking for (you)s congratulating him on beginners luck.
>>47733401
Sounds kinda yucky but neat
>>47733611
Eh, it was less me defending him and more of me just finding it weird that someone even new wouldn't know about Jace. I feel you though senpai.
>>47733591
>implying people are nolifes like you who spend every cent on mtg and can afford to make infinite decks
Remember to take a shower and put on deodorant before you go to your next FNM or draft please, no one wants to smell shit.
>>47733611
Or maybe you're just a retard.
>Shit it took me a half a year before I realized magic cards could actually be worth money when I first started.
I knew after my first fucking draft, because I looked at the display case in the shop and went "Holy shit, there are cards that are actually worth a lot of money!"
Fuck, I have no idea what to build
Skullbriar looks kinda cool but I already have a Voltron deck, and control is out of the question for me
>>47733591
Careful of this badass, all of his theros lands are beckett rated 9.5 or higher in pvc screwdowns
>>47733582
Those are good suggestions. I also just noticed Swords isn't in there, so I should add that too.
I didn't even think about Eldrazi Conscription, but it is pretty sneaky, yeah.
>>47733641
I joined back in middle-school during Lorwyn, when a friend gave me a bunch of boosters for my birthday. The only time I got cards was from walmart and only played with friends at school or at our houses.
>>47733445
It doesn't matter though. Buying the precon is good value no matter how you slice it. You get a decent deck that can hold it's own at a table, but has clear routes for upgrades.
The commander precons are about the only good precon wizards does consistently
>>47733650
Skullbriar is garbage.
EDH is a very swingy game; there's not often wars of attrition where people whittle each other down to a killing blow. Look at it through "what wincons can I do" and then pick what you want to make from there.
Win cons
- Dealing 21 points of Commander damaeg
- Putting 10 poison counters on someone
- Removing all their HP (creatures or spells)
- Making your opponent draw from an empty library
- Alt wincons that straight up say "you win the game" if X happens
- Spells/set ups that cause other players to Lose the game (Pacts, donating them other memes)
If you picked "Dealing 40 damage" and you're intending to do it with a bunch of janky creatures or nickel and diming your opponent with a handful of spells over the course of the game, you're doing it wrong.
If you're playing Blue, you have literally no reason to not run Rite of Replication. Kicked on someone else's good shit or your own good shit is pretty much a wincon.
If you're playing Black, you have no reason to not run Tainted Strike. You don't even have to play it on your own creaturs; wait for the idiots to attack each other and play it on one of the creatures getting in to remove an opponent.
If you're running Green, Genesis Wave/Tooth and Claw, for example.
tl;dr wincons are always ignored when people start making decks and then they wonder why they ended up with a hot turd.
>>47733786
Just to add to that: a mill wincon is hard as hell to do to all your enemies, so you're better off winning with the other wincons
>>47733845
Well, it can be. I don't usually make them draw from an empty library by milling. Exiling their deck or forcing them to draw it all at once are usually the better way to go about it to prevent pesky recursion shit.
>>47733786
Making them scoop from a degenerate play/commander is also a wincon
>>47733845
Meh if its 1v1 mill can be pretty good if you include enough draw for yourself to keep pumping those spells and getting the necessary creatures out.
>>47733868
Their arent that many commanders that just make people quit outright. Maybe like Animar and a tuned Derevi, but not much else.
>>47728650
I play him in muzzio. 10/10 would colossus again.
I like to have a few commanders in my deck or deckbox, once i see what type of deck my opponent is playing i swap to another commander to give me the most advantage and make it look like that was my commander all along
Hey guys I'm looking for advice on my deck. It's an Abzan dredge/reanimator deck based around wurms/worms of all kinds.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wurm-dredge/
>>47733891
What are:
>Oloro
>Nekusar
>Ionia
>>47733845
Mill wincon is just an alternate infinite combo. You don't tap 30 millstones.
>>47733877
I dunno. There's a lot of cards that cause you to put your whole graveyard back into your library if it gets milled. Also there's a lot of people with graveyard boners in EDH, so milling them is just going to help them go off faster. That's why I tend to avoid traditional mill.
>>47733891
Stasis garbage decks and Group-Hug shit like Phelddagrif/Braids/etc will generally cause me to not even join the game because it's a waste of time.
Marchesa or Sedris? They both look rad
>>47733933
Ill admit on oloro, but nekusar and ionia arent that bad, you just have to keep them off the field. If you can do that unless its an incedibley expensive deck it wont bring you far.
>>47733947
I get the stasis, hence why I put Derevi, and unless im just feeling like doing stupid shit I agree about the group hug decks. Really hate when people plan on running the "wingman deck'' to not do anyhting but just make the game annoyingly stupid.
>>47733933
>Ionia
That story a couple threads back about a Melek player completely annihilating an Iona deck was pretty special.
>>47733971
Marchesa obviously. Then you can dethrone her black rose.
>>47733971
Sedris is an underplayed Commander, so if you want hipster points, he's a good pick.
Marcheesy is pretty solid but a lot of people are on to her bullshit. I'm not really a fan of Dethrone, because it encourages "evening out" and gives players an excuse.
"SORRY JIM, YOU HAVE THE MOST HP AND I HAVE DETHRONE, SO IT ONLY MAKES SENSE", etc.
>>47733947
Yes but playing mill means you have access to plenty of removal and counters. Ive seen good mill decks shit on GY lovers like Karador because of how fast they can actually work. I get your opinon, but personally I dont feel mill is that bad a choice if you can afford to make a decent deck (150-200 bucks)
>>47733933
Iona is completely fair. Slotting her as your commander instead of in the 99 is just handicapping yourself
>>47734009
Hated that dethrone mechanic. Came out right when I picked up the Oloro precon so I instantly became the target of every fucking Marchesa player because "Free counters!"
>>47734007
Shes getting a new card in conspiracy 2: electric boogaloo
>>47734047
Can't wait. My friends and I just did a conspiracy draft about a month ago and it was super fun.
>>47734038
I only like two of them: Scourge of the Throne and Treasonous Ogre. Scourge because extra combat is a big thing in one of my decks and Treasonous Ogre is just real good for that mana
>>47734075
My friend runs Soul Conduit and Treasonous Ogre, and it's hilarious/annoying.
>>47733462
Thanks for the suggestion, that actually looks like a fun commander to build around.
Noob question, would the upkeep cost count as commander damage?
>>47734753
Nope, commander damage is combat damage
Also what the fuck is that filename
>>47734753
No, as it is neither damage, nor combat damage.
>>47733786
>Skullbriar is garbage.
Hey jeez be nice, he only has nice things to say about you
Also my meta packs almost nothing in the way of targeted removal
>>47734753
903.11a. A player that's been dealt 21 or more combat damage by the same commander over the course of the game loses the game. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)
>>47734814
Windows phone. It's as much of a nightmare as that phrase sounds.
>>47734753
No, "lose life" isnt the same as "deal damage"
ive never built a commander deck before and wanted to get into the format i liked 1/1 counters and green stuff so i built this, is there something huge im missing from this?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/simic-starter-2/
>>47735213
The biggest issue I see here is your choice of Commander, Vorel, Zegana or Kraj seem to fit what you want to do better than what Momir does. Other than that it doesn't look awful, I'd drop the Utopia Sprawl for a Explosive vegetation type card. I'm still fairly new to commander myself so I might not be giving the best advice here however
>>47735381
i like how momir can tutor the deck for any creature, including vorel, and the utopia sprawl i try to put into every deck i play. its my favorite. that with arbor elf is my favorite interaction in magic
>>47729092
>>47735512
>running Utopia Sprawl + Arbor Elf
>not having Freed from the Real or Pemmin's Aura in your deck so that you can make infinite mana with your favorite cards in Magic
Gitgud
I'm new to commander and considering making a low power oloro deck. Can anyone explain why he's so hated?
>>47735789
People were running good stuff Esper that never cast their general even before Oloro, now they got a mascot that does stuff without ever being cast.
>>47735682
>m the Real or Pemmin's Aura in your deck so that you can make infinite mana with your favorite cards in Magic
desu famililia i didnt know those existed, ill have to pick one up, and combo it with a gen wave or primal surge or something
I might be too spergy to play EDH. I really think so. I have like a handful of people I can play EDH with, but if I step outside my boundaries, I manage to keep my mouth shut for the whole game but afterwards I make one comment and end up rambling for an hour about what makes for fun EDH.
I don't get how some people can hate Armageddon but think of Time Warp as a perfectly acceptable card.
I run neither, but it seems hypocritical.
>>47729945
since everyone's recommending you thopters...
>>47730033
Fun (possibly true) Fact: Mark Rosewater designed Extort partially to get the commander rules committee to allow cards with hybrid mana costs in decks that had only one of the hybrid colors. Instead they made up some BS about flavor text so that people could use Crypt Ghast in Mono-Black decks without letting hybrid cost cards be used in more decks.
>>47733033
>Not posting Superior Version
>>47734198
Thats fucking brutal and I love it
> those guys who design for t1-t3 wins
Why even play edh? I dunno bout you but when I sit down for a edh game I'm not looking for it to be over in five minutes.
>>47736423
I talked to someone today about it. They just think that you can always start another game. They consider time to be valuable, not number of games.
