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Recruiting for an online, text-only Pathfinder game to be held over MapTool. The schedule will be decided on by the players, but the available time frames are:
Monday 10:00 P.M. GMT to Tuesday 11:30 A.M. GMT
Tuesday 10:00 P.M. GMT to Wednesday 11:30 A.M. GMT
Wednesday 10:00 P.M. GMT to Thursday 11:30 A.M. GMT
Thursday 10:00 P.M. GMT to Friday 11:30 A.M. GMT
Saturday 4:00 A.M. GMT to Saturday 10:00 A.M. GMT
This will be a combat-focused game (though not necessarily 100% combat-focused) wherein you invade Hell, battle legions of devils, and fight every unique devil on d20pfsrd.com. Asmodeus has gone missing, an extremely powerful angel has taken his place, and the angel has sent out a call challenging heroes to take the throne from him.
Two traits. 25 point buy. Roll for hit points or take the average, but you must decide beforehand. No Unchained rules. Third-party material (e.g. Dreamscarred Press) is looked upon leniently.
Characters are supposed to be CR 20 (yes, CR) and can be built from any combination of class levels, monster races (25 point buy applies, NOT the +4/+4/+2/+2/+0/–2 array), templates (e.g. Agile mythic template), mythic tiers, and PC/NPC wealth. CR must be calculated appropriately, exempting the point buy. Examples:
20th-level PC with 20th-level PC WBL = CR 20
15th-level PC with 15th-level PC WBL and mythic tier 10 = CR 20
16th-level PC with 16-level NPC WBL and mythic tier 10 = CR 20
Heavy optimization is encouraged. Dazing Spell is in, but Sacred Geometry is out.
Skype contact username:
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Sword and board Antipaladin poster here. Did some rethinking and this is what I've come up with now.
Antipaladin 5/Fighter 2
Feats:
Noble Scion of War
Power Attack
Weapon Focus
1B Cornugon Smash
2B Dazzling Display
Shatter Defenses
I'm considering another dip into Thug Rogue for the intimidate and sneak attack but I'm not sure I really wanna lose 3 levels of Antipaladin...
What are some oft-overlooked wondrous items for keeping yourself alive longer? (Let's put aside the "just kill the enemy faster with a better weapon haha" thing.)
I'm sure most of us here have bought a belt of constitution before, but what about items that cast Breath of Life on you should you hit 0 and other interesting gear? Any recommendations or items you like but don't see commonly?
>>47701306
Are you clued into the things you can do with Channel Smite or Fist of the Crusader if you have stamina?
Tell me about White-Haired Witch, /pfg/. How good is it?
>>47701479
Pretty sure we aren't using stamina rules and if we are, no one has ever mentioned or used them.
I'm open to Channel Smite, it's just it costs 2 Touches, and it's wasted if I miss...
>>47701486
This is a real white-haired witch.
>>47701526
They're good. Crusader's Fist is a bit better, but operates off crits, whereas Channel Smite has the chance to fail, but can be done whenever and for less feats.
Channel Smite's Stamina Trick lets you double your dice, effectively giving you parity with the touches you spent, but it's all still wasted if you miss.
Crusader's Fist though, its trick lets you make the dice from your Touch be multiplied by crits. Downside is it only works on unarmed, unless you spend the feat on Ascetic Style (or one of its follow ons) to be able to do it on monk weapons. Upside is you only need to spend the Touch AFTER you know you've hit (and thus threatened), and the stamina AFTER you've confirmed.
Might be a bit hefty of an order if you've already used a bunch of feats though.
>>47701486
>Tell me about
What is the best mask for it to wear?
>>47701674
Yea, I'm already dipping 2 levels into fighter so I can fit in Dazzling Display and Shatter Defenses. Since Shatter Defenses will make enemies flat-footed to me though, sneak attack through Thug is looking really tasty.
>>47701740
Can I ask why Dazzling Display when you could use the Shaken Cruelty? Is it a prereq for Shatter Defenses? I cant remember.
>>47701486
>>47701609
>white haired witch
>your hair doesn't have to be white
>>47701780
Dazzling is indeed a prereq for Shatter Defenses. Also for cruelties Sicken, Disease, Nauseated etc are more useful than Shaken.
Anon-san! Anon-san!
Please help me build a Pseudodragon cohort. Originally, I want him to be a paladin but there are 2 evil character in the party so that wouldn't fly...
>>47701967
Evil characters don't actually prevent flight in paladins.
>>47701976
They tend to provoke fight instead.
>>47701976
Ripping their wings off might prevent flight.
What is the best level 1-6 spell for Dazing Spell that allows no spell resistance?
>>47701250
>not playing a pretty princess
Some day. Some day!
Tell me how you built your princess, /pfg/.
>>47702089
Stone Fall is nice.
>>47702119
>being a princess
>not having the master plan
>>47702119
Well the only real way was to get an Amazon nice and high, and then use the Dream Crown on her.
Then you stick her in the back row and watch the fireworks.
>>47702135
Stone Tell, you mean?
>>47702180
>>47702135
Stone Cell.
>>47702198
Stone Ball.
>>47701976
>>47701995
>>47702019
Yeah, what kind of evil character don't want to tear off a good dragon wings.
>>47702252
Someone with more than 8 INT and WIS?
You keep the evil shit down low so nobody sees your disgustingly soul-crushing betrayal coming.
>>47702276
This.
When you act like a saturday morning cartoon villain, you, the party, and the GM have *no* room to complain when after a few such acts someone in the party - probably someone who's just been fucked over or somewhat betrayed by the act - turns around and full attacks your flat-footed ass into a smoking fucking crater.
>>47702089
If you're talking most effective for delivering it with a high save DC, probably Acid Fog or Tar Pool/Obsidian Flow. If Resistance and Immunity are a serious concern, Aqueous Orb and Stone Call work well too. Honorable mention to Sonic Form, if you've got a free round to set up and want to stunlock someone in melee.
>>47702252
The best Evil characters make themselves indispensable to their friends. And they *make* these people their friends, just like the "one good scorpion" everyone knows in L5R.
The trick is that all those bad things you do are always FOR them, FOR their goals (even good ones), always in their (and yours of course, but you're a party; their gains are your gains) favor.
This adds a big fat layer of protection against those who aren't happy about what you do, makes what you do just that little bit more tolerable than it should to those not paladin-level-hardline, and sometimes you get them to help you out as well.
Evil people have things they love and care about. What makes them evil is that they're a lot less willing to hold back to do "nice things" for them!
>>47702119
i played a princess once
I sucked my DM's dick to get advanced firearms and claimed she stole a state of the art weapon from her techno-kingdom and ran away.
>>47702089
Greater Snapdragon Fireworks.
>>47702400
Literally?
>>47702439
>Greater Snapdragon Fireworks.
No such thing.
>>47702439
how else do you get favors from DMs?
>>47702449
You didn't see MTT?
>>47702474
I see no Greater Snapdragon Fireworks here.
Are the item decks necessary for adventure paths or optional?
>>47702500
Optional.
>>47702473
Friendship, generally.
>>47702511
>friendship
>with the DM
What?
>>47702540
You know this is a social hobby?
>>47702547
Shut up
No one here has any friends
>>47702572
I'm sorry to hear you're lonely, anon. Do you want to talk?
>>47702547
ahahahahah
Enough about evil-doer and flying. What class should my Pseudodragon be?
Just for reference, Pseudodragon stats are:
Str 7, Dex 15, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 12, Cha 10
I can give him +4,+4,+2,+2,+0,-2 adjustment due to being a monster with PC class.
His mental stat is probably too low for Arcane fullcaster. Maybe a Druid? Skinshaper Druid even? Dragon has that tendency to change shape and sleep with anything that move right?
>>47702598
I wouldn't recommend a druid unless you can get Dex to damage relatively easily. Your Wis won't be high enough to be a debuffer/crowd control, and your Str won't be enough to go melee. Maybe an agile AoMF. What sort of thing do you want to do with it? It'd make a decent buffer if you went druid or cleric, I suppose.
>>47702598
>cohorts
C A N C E R
>>47701250
So a level 1 NPC mercenary costs 3 sp a day, meaning my level 1 fighter can hire one for a year and a half right?If yes where are the stats for one?
>>47702659
His starting wealth should be enough to get Agile AoMF.
I kinda want the dragon to be the frontliner. My character is a Psychic, so he has all the control spell but lack the power to finish my enemy off.
So I guess, something that utilize DEX?
Urban Barbarian? Gunslinger? Swashbuckler? Unchained Rogue?
Actually... a Pistolero Dragon might be cool...
>>47701250
Is there a way to not need to eat, sleep or breath as a human without becoming undead?
>>47702734
Gunslinger and swashbuckler are terrible. UC rogue can be okay, but not spectacular and yours will be lower level, so I'd avoid it. I'd suggest urban barbarian or Stalker from PoW.
>>47701405
amulet of natural armour, belt of CON and DEX, off the top of my head.
Cloak of Resistance, clearly
>>47702744
mythic
>>47702744
Ring of sustenance removes the need to eat or drink. Iridescent spindle ioun stone removes the need for air. Lesser restoration can get rid of fatigue, which is the only mechanical penalty of not sleeping. So if you can get lesser restoration whenever you need it through spellcasting, wands, or items, then you're good. If you're a caster, you'll still need to rest, but not necessarily sleep, to recover spells. Depends on class.
>>47702798
Neat, thanks.
Maybe the Sipping Jacket as well, good way for the barbarian to stash a potion of Cure ____
>Female Human Fighter
>Was originally male, was betrayed by the party Wizard via a Gender-swap potion that temporarily reduced strength by -4
>(The wizard fucked up most of the rest of the party after)
So is that a better character idea? It removes the magical item involved and sets up two separate arcs.
>>47702957
>creepy rape potion with added sexism
Yeah great character idea.
>>47702973
Nice bait, I'll take that bait as you saying 'good idea'
>>47702989
yeah if you're trying to be 'that guy' its a great fucking plan.
>>47702957
Telling people your character is based on a meme on top of being one of the worst classes isn't generally great.
>>47702957
Grats, you are "that guy"
Did Psybomb's spreadsheet of favorite disciplines ever happen?Is it too late to vote?
>>47702957
To be fair, since you're apparently trying to hide your genderswap fetish, if you gave me that character, I would assume you were retarded instead of masturbating under the table. So I guess that's an improvement.
>>47703010
That was a joke
>>47703011
I don't see how its 'that guy' to do a unique character
The dragon's about to breath a shitload of fire on someone. In that moment, the hero shoves the jumps in front and protects them both within the cone's effect using his shield.
How does this SUPER BASIC trope happen in Pathfinder without 3pp?
>>47703107
He's a wizard and the shield is his emergency force sphere spell.
>>47703092
>Namefaf
>Calling anyone else retarded
>>47703095
You're literally basing your character of a creepy rape scenario and a sexist meme
and you don't see how you're being 'that guy'
>>47703107
Paladin feat to improve the nigga's save v dragon breath + running over to make sure they have the aura.
I guess?
>>47703155
>ad hominem irrelevant to the discussion
>acting like playing a fighter and memeing about -4 Str aren't retarded
Expected.
>>47703157
>gender change potion
>rape
>sexist meme aka a fucking joke
Seems like you're the 'that guy' here if you're not even able to laugh at something so silly.
>>47703179
Anonymous normally you don't laugh about something while your hand is underneath the table doing explicit things.
>>47703173
Calling out a retard on being a retard when they're a proven retard who's flaunted said retardation numerous times
>Not relevant
:^)
>>47703157
>creepy rape scenario and a sexist meme
Fuck off already. It's a stupid joke, sure, but that's all. Stop caring.
>>47703179
>wizard just randomly drops a -4 strength gender change potion on the male fighter
>no rape implied of course he just did it cause he's LOL RANDUMZ XD XDXD SPOONS
>>47702757
What about Kineticist? 19 DEX and 17 CON should be enough and size doesn't change Kinetic Blast damage.
>>47703207
That doesn't stop it from being true. It's an awful background. Just stay you put on a cursed belt without checking before hand, problem solved.
>>47703204
So is your inability to use greentext relevant to whether or not anyone else is retarded? Because it's pretty fucking obvious that you're an idiot. Whether or not I'm stupid has nothing to do with anyone else being stupid.
>>47703213
Where did it say the wizard was male, shitlord?
>>47703223
>kineticist
Oh lord please let this be a joke
>>47703107
Tower Shield = Total Cover
>>47703230
>implying only men can rape
WHOSE THE SHITLORD NOW
>>47703107
He had prepared an action to reposition his ally or you and the ally both have swap places and one of you has a move action prepared.
>>47703226
And say "he's" (maybe stick to that in fact) is hoping to find another one to right the little problem and get his bits back, and when he finds that wizard he's tying one around her neck.
>>47701486
>>47701609
You're doing it wrong.
>>47703276
I can't play bayonetta, I don't have that system. Though I'd like to try it one day.
>>47703246
He can't do that for an ally.
>>47703276
I have clearly been playing too much overwatch. My first thought was 'It's high noon'
>>47703306
>gunslingers will never be op like mccree
>>47703263
See? This guy gets it
>>47703319
>mccree
>OP
Git gud
>>47703319
...you know, has there ever been a Reflex-based Save or Die?
>>47703332
they're actually nerfing his fan the hammer i think
>>47703341
probably?
>>47703356
Hopefully after they nerf Mei's ability to grief their own fucking team.
>>47703341
Try breath weapons, they're generally Reflex-based and a bunch have riders.
>>47703230
Meh... that maximum 14 INT or CHA kinda suck... otherwise I would make him into Magus or Oracle.
I guess Barbarian is the best choice. CON will increase his poison-DC too.
>>47703372
but thats :3...
A-MEI-ZING
>>47703372
Do the breath weapon riders have mounted combat feats though?
>>47703390
I'd call it mei-docre.
>>47703263
Genderbent guy wanting to have his cock back?
That would probably be a first in the majority of media...
Anon will probably be told he's a wymyn-hater for it.
>>47703407
Well, metabreath feats do exist if you use 3.5e material.
>>47703413
There were all those rumors about Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner. And I'm sure a bunch of people who got Sorshen's body at least wanted their dicks back.
>>47703276
Bayo is more like Hexcrafter Magus with Riven Hourglass.
>>47703438
>no nostrilpops
Casual. She needs more ranks in... Perform? Acrobatics?
>>47703455
Sleight of Hand to hide more stuff on her body.
I'm sure there's only one white witch
>>47703413
>>47703427>tmw me and another trans friend enjoy playing characters who're trying to get their dicks back
Not sure what this says about us, honestly. Most genderbender media is creepy af though so iunno.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ozPUodg.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
Glove of Throwing
Aura faint evocation; CL 3rd
Slot hands; Price 500 gp; Weight -
This glove can be enchanted as if they were a throwing weapon.
The Glove of Throwing grants its applicable enhancement bonus and special abilities to unenhanced masterwork thrown weapons that are thrown with with the hand that wears the glove. The enchantments dissipate after the attack resolves, unless a particular special ability lasts for longer; then the enchantments dissipate once the special ability ends.
The Glove of Throwing only takes up one hand; if desired, a second one can be worn with the other hand. If a thrown-weapon is two-handed, then only one set of enchantments can be used per attack.
Finally, if the wearer has the Quick Draw feat, they can draw a non-hidden thrown weapon even if it isn’t their turn.
CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS
Craft Wondrous Item, magic weapon or metaphysical weapon; Cost 250 gp
---
I also have other homebrew here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18O_7C6sM9xnxHsH-pUrV8uI97rLWgZPhCOQx7KwafCw/edit?pref=2&pli=1#heading=h.o2tleec5xf2m
I decided to say fuck it to being good in combat to instead have a fuck ton of skills. However I'm a 20 Cha summoner so I'm not too worried. Should I be?
>>47703517
>shilling for yourself
>>47703520
No you're a summoner
>>47703555
It's a skill eidolon. It even took a skill feat.
>>47703502
That one sex shift elixir is permanent and costs like 2,500 gp
>>47703566
You're a summoner.
>>47703545
Sorry, forgot to add "critique welcome"!
>>47703571
Sounds good.
>>47703488
Samson is separate creature, so tumor Alchemist.
>>47703592
Maybe you could suck the dm's dick and get your familiar to be a tumor familiar as a witch
>>47703570
Yeah so don't go selling holy swords like that one idiot!
>>47703611
Are you the same guy from earlier? If so, why are you obsessed with DM fellatio?
>>47703570
Yeah; the games where this is relevant tend to keep that in mind (either by being in systems or settings without such items, by being invoked by more powerful curses or magic, or by having pressing reasons to remain).
>>47703663
You'd THINK that, wouldn't you.
>>47701306
Any other thoughts on this?
>>47703672
Well, if it can be solved with an item, the plot and RP wouldn't exist at all, so it needs to be taken into account.
>>47703663
Do you mean different systems or campaigns?
>>47703704
Different systems, different settings (some without magic marts, some with higher-power magic in play like nasty curses), sometimes just reasons unique to the character.
>>47703438
>>47703455
We did this months ago when the playtest for PoW:E was out, but I didn't save anything from it.
It was a Vigilante (Stalker) / White-haired Witch / Bladecaster that used Broken Blade maneuvers for hair attacks, or something like that.
Broken blade nerfs when?
>brawler with martial training and broken blade ohko our tank and gets 8 attacks as a full round
That shit was fucking insane.
>>47703703
Again. That's what one would think, right?
Unfortunately, it's dumber than you could have imagined.
To the current writers at Paizo who've dealt with all this shit, the goal, the very *reason for existence* of all things trans-anything (whether transgender, transfat, transformer, it doesn't matter) is "muh struggols".
It doesn't even come to mind that characters would ever just take the easy way out, because then, where would the problem be?
NAY. If they bought that potion, that woman would now just be a man, THE END. There would be no need for worry, no need to loathe oneself, no horrific discrimination in a land that... uh... just... a few paragraphs ago... was... explaining there's literally no such discrimination at all... what?
You wanna feel all them triggers and offendeds?
Crystal and friends think all any "trans" wants IS to be mocked and thrown rocks at, because otherwise their transition, and thus the only aspect of their life, would have no worth.
The potion is still there. You're just supposed to reject it as I don't fucking know.
>>47703759
>me
>using PoW
Nice try
>>47703760
Yeah I know. I've watched it and thought it was pretty bullshit.
I'm tired of Crystal and friends being our representation in the ttrpg industry.
Where are stats for a level 1 mercenary hireling?
>>47703760
Didn't Crystal design the elixir in the first place?
>>47703789
One level of something slapped onto a PC race. Probably a NPC class.
>>47703789
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/npcCodex/npc/warrior.html
>>47703570
Fuck that shit. You can intentionally craft cursed items, and they cost the same as an item of that slot. Belt of Tumbling costs 400gp to make. Intentionally make it a Cursed Belt of Gender Swap instead. It's an instantaneous effect, so taking it off doesn't change you back; you'd have to put a gender swap belt on again to change back. Infinite people can use this belt. For 400gp, you've cured dysphoria for everyone in travel range, forever.
Shelyn or someone should be bankrolling some holy order to take a bucket of belts on a ceremonial procession around Golarion, swapping anyone who asks for it. It should be SUCH a nonissue.
>>47703800
PROBABLY!
ten internets says it was in case your MtF accidentally gets turned into a woman, so you can turn back into a man to hate not being a woman again.
>>47703789
Specifics depend on the individual, but they'd be a 1st level warrior with 260 gp of equipment.
>>47703789
>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/gameMasteryGuide/npcs/military.html#foot-soldier
>>47703822
You know, this makes me want to play a crafter who goes around making cursed items intentionally for the sake of selling whatever unintended benefits they may have.
>>47703822
B-but anonWhat about the wannabe-herms?
>>47703789
If you need stats for that you're not cut out for DMing or having Leadership.
>>47703848
The Belt explicitly transforms you into the "opposite gender". Normally, this means male to female, or vice-versa. However, if you get a 1, it removes all gender from you entirely, making you an androgyne. Once that happens, slap another belt on, and become the opposite of an androgyne; a herm.
>>47703847
Dust of Sneezing and Choking is a fucking crazy strong weapon. Save versus 3d6 Con damage, and even if you save you're still automatically stunned for 5d4 rounds.
>>47703822
So to recover population really quickly after losing a war, an orc civilization would be able to use this to convert like 7/8s of the population to women?
>>47703759
No fucking shit.
>over 200 damage on lvl 9 characters
>mfw
>>47703760
Because in the current climate most people that are loud and proud and shove their trans/disability/or some other bull shit, down your throat are doing it for attention and to be special, that is why they shove it in everyone's face and demand to be given special treatment. The louder and more obnoxious they are the more attention they get.
Sort of like the kids that act out for attention, very similar idea.
Thar is not to say all or even most people in those situations are like that, but I would say most the vocal ones are.
How to deal with losing movespeed from medium/heavy armor
>>47703875
Take your twelve foot cocks you pretend your love of "totally isn't gay because boobs" back to /d/ and "corruption of champions", anon.
>>47703760
I suppose there's something like "this doesn't exist in real life so something something," but if you were playing a character who is trans, in a universe where gender transitioning is instantaneous, perfect, and painless if you can pony up 2000 GP to an alchemist, why the fuck would you not do that the second you could?
>>47703878
It really is. The only trouble is getting someone who can use it without being self-sacrificial - you throw it into a cloud covering your position. I think constructs/undead are safe so a necromancer of some kind would be ideal.
>>47703917I'm a lesbian, anon. I don't give a shit about herms, I was just pointing out that it's completely viable to become one with the Belt of Opposite Gender.
>>47703911
What are you playing as?
>>47703911
The canonical Paizo™ solution is to be a dwarf or something else with the Slow and Steady racial trait. Having the problem forever and unsolvably is as good as having a real solution, apparently.
>>47703942
Pally
>>47703911
Use items to bump it back up.
>>47703945
Normally the answer would be to be a Dwarf, but that is a bad idea.
Mithral armor will help if it's medium armor
>>47703911
Obviously Fighter with Armor Training works. As a "niche protection" measure nobody else has that vanilla ass ability.
However:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/r-z/sash-of-the-war-champion
>>47703911
For Medium, Mithral.
Barring that, anything that gives you 10ft move speed just negated it, and that's USUALLY cheaper (build or GPwise) than anything that would negate the speed-down as an ability.
>>47703517
>limited to non-magical, masterwork weapons thrown by the hand wearing the glove
A: Why is this not a pair of gloves at the outset? What would be the point of only wearing one, since the hand slot would be taken up anyways? A second glove with a separate set of enhancements would be both conflicting as fuck and nigh-impossible to reasonably censure mid-fight.
B: Why is this so inexpensive compared to other weapon-enhancement-granting items, such as AoMF? The entire point of items like AoMF is to grant weapon enhancement bonuses to normally non-enchantable weapons without breaking the game. Additionally, this item is a clear breach of normal costs, in that it does not limit the level of enhancement nor the number of special abilities that can be applied to the weapons being thrown, all at the same cost of 500gp (easily crafted by 2nd level for 250gp).
C: Why did you not even look at other similar items before considering the price?
D:
>quick draw + gloves lets you draw weapons for, say, AoOs
That's actually kind of neat.
>>47703875
Do curses not fall under the "intentionally fail a save" category?
For that matter, what does intentionally failing a save mean? Do you count the d20 as a 1? A 5? A 0?
>>47703917TiTS is newer and better in most every way
>>47704046
Because the AoMF is overpriced shit, and throwing as a weapon style is absolute dogshit, and it could use a hand.
>>47704232
Okay, so what about A
>>47704257
Absolutely no idea famalam
>>47704046
>>47704232
Two throwing weapons is already, what, 600 gold for masterwork + 4k just for +1, then you probably want something like sharding so you don't have to worry about bothering with shit like blinkback or returning, which is going to mean if you're using TWF you have just spend 16600 gold for both weapons. All this is for a style that is vastly inferior to just grabbing a longbow.
>>47704093
You can automatically fail the save, yes, but you can't automatically roll a 1, so you'd have to try on a few belts until you found the one that made you sexless.
>>47704232
>>47704266
For that matter, why is AoMF so terribly priced?I've always put it at the same as paying for an enhanced weapon thanks to the cost inversion on the SRD, so 2kgp for +1, etc...
>>47704308
Because the only people who use it are Monks, and natural attack druids. Monks are shit, and it's overpriced for what it actually gives.
Druids can just buff themselves.
>>47704281
That's... hm.
Statistically, you'd need 20 belts to achieve that, on average, plus one for the nat-1 moment.Time to break out my player-saviour d20...
>>47704325
So it's about keeping the monk as low as possible, then?
Mathematically, it's worth one weapon, so doubling that price for no reason just doesn't make sense.
I think I'll maintain my stance in keeping it to the price scale of one magical weapon.
>>47704308
Because paizo logic states that you're getting "two weapons"both hands, maybe both your legs tooenhanced with one item. No, that isn't a good reason for the price to be so obscene, especially with so many limitations.
The big kicker is that even though natural attackers make better use of it, it's /still way too expensive for what it does/
>>47704361
>Mathematically, it's worth one weapon
By RAW, no, it isn't. An AoMF, by RAW, costs double the price of a normal enchant, and can only reach +5 max ever.
The houserule you're saying that it costs as much as a normal magic weapon is 100% the way it should be.
>>47703911
My first item I bought using loot money I earned on my paladin with a +1 Mithral Breastplate.
I urge you to do the same.
>>47704397
He meant "mathematically" as in "how much this benefits you mechanically."
He agrees with you that it is overpriced.
>>47704377
Hence my conclusion >>47704361
My logic states that the body is one weapon, especially when you're talking about monks of the mystical-fightan sort.
I want to be able to put AoMF on a punch-guy who's got Hamatulatsu so he can keen + elemental burst his fists.
>>47704474
So how's /pfg's homebrew been going? Make any progress? Ever had it been used? Which one are you most proud of?
I've gotten repeated requests to join a pathfinder game from my FLGS, and the DM actually reccomended I pick a type of caster class, weather whole, 2/3rds progression, or even 1/2.
I used to play 3.5 once upon a time, but it's been a while, and I've never actually looked at PF.
I actually really like caster classes, and have a question:
What's a Fun and not insanely complicated class I can join up on his game with?
I'm hopping in at 7th level, since I was busy with moving before now.
AFAIK there's no homebrew allowed, and unless someone has really good reason, he recommends they stick with the core 7 races Also 20 point buy, and the DM reccomended Inquisitor for a class, but I'm interested in /pfg/'s opinion, generals are usually cool.
>>47704598
>weather whole
What?
>>47704046
>>47704257
First of all, thank you very much for your feedback!
A: While I do want to reduce the overall cost of a throwing style, I do not want to make two-weapon throwers ungodly cheap compared to melee TWFing. By having it be individual gloves with an allowance built into the descriptive text, the price may approximate that of melee TWFing.
B: You still have to pay the cost of adding the enhancements onto the gloves, on top of getting a masterwork weapon per attack you want to make in a round... and that's assuming you just slap them both with Returning or Teleporting.
C) I probably should have, yeah.
Let's assume we're a dagger thrower and make a comparison to the Blinkback Belt.
Let's start with a BAB of 5 or under, with Rapid Shot (and TWFing):
Blinkback Belt: 5,000 gp
+1 Flaming Dagger: 8,002
(if TWFing) +1 Frost Dagger: 8,002
Total: 13,002 gp (21,004 gp w/ TWFing)
+1 Flaming Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x2: 604
(if TWFing) +1 Frost Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x1: 302
Total:9,104 gp (17906 gp w/ TWFing) + 302 gp per attack afterward without having to pick up the weapons again
BAB >6 (with Improved TWFing), no item upgrades:
Blinkback Belt: 13,002 gp (21,004 gp w/ TWFing)
+1 Flaming Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x3: 906
(if TWFing) +1 Frost Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x2: 604
Total: 9,406 gp (18,520 gp w/ TWFing) + 302 gp per attack afterward without having to pick up the weapons again
BAB >11 (with Greater TWFing), no item upgrades:
Blinkback Belt: 13,002 gp (21,004 gp w/ TWFing)
+1 Flaming Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x4: 1,208 gp
(if TWFing) +1 Frost Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x3: 906
Total: 9708 gp (19,114 gp w/ TWFing) + 302 gp per attack afterward without having to pick up the weapons again
Comment too long, will continue next post!
Ok I have a character sheet I need opinions on:
http://pastebin.com/Jw58Tfen
How does it look? Did I miss anything with my gear?
>>47704046
>>47704257
>>47704622
Part 2!
BAB > 16 (with Greater TWFing), no item upgrades:
+1 Flaming Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x5: 1,510 gp
(if TWFing) +1 Frost Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x3: 906
Total: 10,010 gp (19,416 gp w/ TWFing) + 302 gp per attack afterward without having to pick up daggers
I... hope this helps? I will have to review the pricing, at the very least... Thanks for your input!
D) Thank you!
>>47704617
whether, sorry.
>>47704598
Oh, and:
From what I know of PF like >>47704474
says, it's concentrated caster superiority, and yet I would be like the only caster in a party of essentially pure martials.
So I'm not really limited at all, because I wouldn't be playing something somebody else already is, no matter what.
>>47704518
I've got two games going on my homebrew campaign setting (plus a still-growing list of feat/item changes....)
So far they seem to be enjoyed by the playersand the smaller game of two players is enjoying having mythic BS to keep their asses alive while I pound their faces in with difficult fights interspersed between really easy ones
>>47704664
If you'll be the only caster, you'll likely find yourself having to stretch fairly thin trying to fill as many roles as it's possible for a caster to fill, which is to say, everything that doesn't involve hitting things with a sword.
I would recommend a Wizard, Druid, or Cleric. Nothing too complicated, they can do pretty much whatever you want them to, and their flexibility and obscenely high optimization ceiling allows you to fit pretty much whatever role the party needs at any given time, so long as you have a bit of time to prepare for what's coming.
>>47704622
First
>teleporting
Dunno what that one is, but Returning is a +1 bonus, which at minimum is more expensive than a blinkback belt (8kgp for a +1 returning weapon vs. 5kgp for the belt).
So, efficiency-wise, there's no reason to not get the belt for this interaction. Expending masterwork thrown weapons like ammunition is exceedingly pricey for low-level characters.
Additionally, for characters under 6th level, the entry cost is above their WBL pay grade, and even at 7th level (by which point a TWF/Rapid Shot throwing build would be heavily invested in this setup) this eats a considerable majority of their average wealth, which isn't necessarily going to be all gold.
>>47704659
Overall, the price curve needs to be adjusted (as it's less a "curve" and more a "horizontal line").
I still like the non-action-quick-draw thing. This would go pretty well with the finesse style Marskman, I think. Maybe even volley style?
What is the best way to beat acid or electricity resistance/immunity WITHOUT using any class features for it?
>>47704836
use fire or cold instead
>>47704801
I'm fairly certain i'd be the only major caster, at least.
The group is fairly PF savvy, so I think a couple might have 1/2 or 1/3rd spell progression.
I also just remembered that two people are joining around the same time, IDK what they'll go, but they'll probably get similar recommendations from the GM. Not the same classes, for sure, but to not go pure physical characters.
I heard PF nerfed druids to shit compared to 3.X, that true?
>>47704852
Not an option.
>>47704836
>>47704888
>resistance
Empowered/maximized/etc. to deal more. Most resistances cap out at 15 or 20 before swapping to immunity, so as long as you can put out 4x or 5x that amount you should be fine.
>immunity
>without class features
Good fuckin luck, son. Maybe there's some 3rd party for that?
>>47704872
>I heard PF nerfed druids to shit compared to 3.X, that true?
Not at all. They were nerfed in an attempt to keep them from outclassing the Fighter in every conceivable scenario (and there is some debate on whether or not they even succeeded at that), but the Druid is still an extremely solid Tier 1 class.
Do you know anything about the party's current composition at all?
>>47704915
Not particularly, kind of an oversight on my part, will probably find out and post it and ask once I talk to the guy again tomorrow or something.
>>47704818
Thank you for the feedback. As it is late, I'll take time to think about it and perhaps implement it another day.
By the way, here is Teleporting: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/equipment/psionic-items/psionic-weapons#TOC-Teleporting
It's like Returning, only slightly better!
>>47704939
Not a bad idea. Either way, if you're going to be the only major caster in the group, a prepared fullcaster can do pretty much whatever you want.
At level 10 with normal gold and magic items with no 3rd party shit except for PoW shit. Whats the most damage you can do with one single hit, im not talking about a ranger with rapid fire and shooting out 400 arrows in one turn. Im talking about a single hit.
>>47704836
It requires some class features to already be had, but Elemental Focus, or Solar Wind Style's third feat can get you through immunities.
Other than that you're fucked.
>>47704951
>teleports into the thrower's hand
>even if they're holding something
Accidentally-fused daggers when?
>>47704951
Don't forget combining Returning/Teleporting with http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/feats/returning-throw-psionic
>>47704988
FINAAL! FFUUUUUUUUUSION!
>>47704986
If it's literally only one hit, probably some nonsense with a Ranger/Slayer using Improved Vital Strike with Devastating Strike, Power Attack, Furious Focus, and a bigass weapon.
Or a lance charging build, those tend to have stupidly large singular hits.
>>47704836
I believe there was ammunition that lowered resistance by a bit every time someone was shot at, but I cannot remember the name. Best of luck!
>>47705007jfc anon that caught me so off-guard i'm laughing like an idiot
>>47704836
Use a different ability. Being overly reliant on targeting a single defense (like AC or Will saves) is a fatal character flaw, as is being entirely focused on energy damage.
>>47704986
Gestalt or no gestalt?
>>47705029
you expected GaoGaiGar didn't you
>>47705032
>Being overly reliant on targeting a single defense (like AC
I guess even initiators are fucked then.
>>47704986
My guess, with Path of War:
>Make a Rubato with your best twohand powerattack damage build
>Use Scarlet Throne's Ruby Zenith Strike for triple damage on single hit - x3
>Also use Mithral Current to set them up with silver vulnerability beforehand - x 1.5
>Also use Fortissimo to multiply by another x 1.5
>It now depends on how your GM rules stacking multiplications but this should be loadsadamage
>>47705053
I didn't expect anything, desu.
>pic related it's me 'cause i'm fuckin dying laughing
>>47705041
no gestalt, i forgot to mention that.
>>47705017
Hmmm I thought PoW would give me some big damage numbers. Ill check this build out.
>>47705065
That's a lot of multipliers, Unless he says "Only highest applies" then I think this is a big contender, but vulnerability should stack perfectly.
>>47704986
>>47705065
Alternatively for 1pp there's mounted barbarian charge shenanigans but I don't really want to run the numbers to compare them
which class makes a good space plague doctor?
>>47705103
Since Barbarians can't get Greater Rage by level 10, I don't see any harm in throwing in a level in Alchemist for a Mutagen, maybe a Wand of Bull's Strength before you start raging
>>47705119
>alchemist with Spacefinder feats/archetype
>>47705119
The fuck
>>47704852
>>47704910
>>47704987
>>47705022
>>47705032
Okay, then how do you CHANGE a spell's energy type completely?
>>47704836
Ask your GM if you can take Frostbite halo veil and change it to a different element instead of cold.
So one of my players came to me with his new character pretty late and it should be pretty much sorted but he wants an "immortal" riding pig or as close to immortal as he can make it. Obviously it's going to be full cataphract mode but what are some interesting enchantments/spells that he could use to toughen up the pig?
He is level 4 might let him go to 5 because he is falling behind.
>>47705151
Buy a rod of elemental spell?
It's only a +1 so it's not even expensive.
>>47705151
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/metamagic-feats/elemental-spell-metamagic
>>47705178
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/eternal-cr-2
>>47705151
What >>47705188 said, though it's not a complete change-over.
>>47705143
I was thinking either some kind of fluffed up void wizard or an alchemist psychonaut/mindchemist
>>47705065
First you take the first multiplier, then add in the other multipliers reduced by one.
So in this case, it becomes: x [3 + (1.5 - 1) + (1.5 -1)] = x [3 + .5 + .5] = x4
You can bump it up to x5 if you are using a brace weapon readied against a charge.
>>47705065
The multipliers add.
So x3+x1.5+x1.5 = x1+2+.5+.5 = x4
>>47705188
>>47705200
>>47705213
>completely
>>47705263
"Benefit: Choose one energy type: acid, cold, electricity, or fire. You may replace a spell’s normal damage with that energy type or split the spell’s damage, so that half is of that energy type and half is of its normal type."
Seems pretty clear cut to me. You get the choice of either complete replacement or half-replacement.
>>47702119
I'm playing Ameiko's little sister in Jade Regent.
Literally a japanese princess.
>>47705203
Huh that's pretty damn immortal thanks. I might use this as some kind of hook for him later on but for starters I'll look for something a bit tamer.
>>47702177
I recognized this and now I feel really really old.
>>47705263
Yes and?
Is a Dervish Dancing Druid a good idea? They are proficient with the Scimitar after all
>>47704986
My advice is to follow >>47705065
but make it mounted with spirited charge, and martial charge. add iron knuckle from broken blade and add lances to the discipline weapons for 4d6 more (that I believe is multiplied by zenith and everything?)
Adding multipliers works by adding the initial "x1" only once. So a crit lance charge is a x3 for x2 crit + x(2-1) charge. In total that'd be x3+x2+x.5+.5=x6
so 6 x (1d8+16+4d6 from boost +2d6 from choice of 1st level stance)
assuming max rolls: 372, but this might not actually be achievable due to feat constraints and mounted charging and initiating might be weird and not work like that.
>>47705340
Standard action strikes can't be initiated on a charge
>>47705386
Martial Charge (Combat)
You have learned how to initiate a martial strike on the move, delivering them at the end of a charge attack.
Prerequisite(s): Base attack bonus +3, ability to initiate a martial strike.
Benefit(s): You may initiate a strike instead of making an attack at the end of a charge.
>>47701250
Those "princesses" are all traps, aren't they?
>>47705340
As per PoW:E, lance/spirited charge bonus damage no longer stacks alongside bonus maneuver damage. You get either one or the other. Iirc from the wording it also includes boosts.
>>47705405
as it turns out, cutsey schoolgirl lesbians.
>>47705432
0/10 ruined
>>47705419
Interesting, that does change that up, though frees the build up significantly. Realistically the only difference between spirited charge and ruby zenith would be any boost used in the attack, and the difference of weapons but that's peanuts really.
so it's a x4 not x6
>>47701250
I'm playing a princessin 5e
It's fun but sometimes I wish it was PF instead
>>47705064
You want options that can be delivered through other means. That can be no-save effects, touch attacks, hitting CMD, or targeting saves. There are several maneuvers that don't go through attacks at all (Wrath of Time, for instance), and you can deliver save-targeting maneuvers through combat maneuvers that can replace attacks.
>>47705065
Related, How does a Rubato regain maneuvers? Do they just tank their tempo pool for only one per turn? do they burn through performance rounds to do so?
Alright /pfg/, I've got a question for you.
How much would y'all pay per month for a guaranteed weekly game? With the following conditions:
1. A GM who knows the system, and has tons of experience with all subsystems.
2. Access to full Paizo and DSP material, plus whatever other 3PP stuff the GM and group approve.
3. A GM who is guaranteed to not inject horrible fetishes, blatant loledge content, DMPCs, or any other bullshit.
4. Either homebrewed world and plot, or any published AP/Module.
5. Access to Mythic, Gestalt, Templates, Monster Races, or whatever other insane stuff you want, provided the entire party agrees.
6. Run over Roll20, using Voice and Text, possibly video if requested.
I'm looking to make a little extra cash, and GMing is pretty much the only thing I'm marginally competent at. Just curious what people might be willing to pay.
>>47705638
>voice
>video
You'd have to pay me to play under you.
>>47705638
People are probably going to shit on you for posting this, but I'd be willing to pay $10 a week
>>47705661
What's wrong with voice chat? Makes things run x10 quicker.
>>47705638
Wrong place to ask, honestly, I think myth-weavers, roll20, and so on are more conductive towards that sort of thing. I don't value the hobby enough to pay for it, it's a beer and pretzels thing for me.
>>47705638
>1. A GM who knows the system, and has tons of experience with all subsystems.
Unless they have a proven track record with good, fun encounter design this and the rest doesn't mean shit.
Quick, name a 1pp intelligence-based class that isn't a caster, alchemist or investigator.
>>47705638
If it was text only and constrained to myself and a few friends (4 man party max.) I would be down. I have more money than time to waste it at this point.
>>47705775
Lore Warden Fighter :^)
>>47705779Forgot to add, contact me @ malfean.urges on skype if you are serious
>>47705775
Inspired Blade
What's the best wizard guide linked from http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html in the pastebin?
I normally just read completely through whatever guides there are and just use it for tips on trap options and such rather than following, but there's nine or so freaking guides for it. I think the only one that has more is monk, but fuck making my first PF character a monk.
>>47705638
Zero Dollars and Zero Cents
>>47705887
If this is your first time playing Pathfinder, Treantmonk's guide should be the best for you.
It's extremely good and an old-time classic that influenced a lot of guides after it.
The only drawback is it's limited in what content it covers, which shouldn't be an issue if it's your first time.
>>47705917
Many thanks, anon.
