Why FoW is great? and why aren't you playing?
I am playing it. The power creep is becoming insane but its still better than magic. The new set though is insane.
>>47470153
The possiblities of abusing the new fairy cards gets me hard. I almost want to build a second fairy deck a bit more midrangey to work better with Titiana and Oberon. I honestly dont like Oberon with the current aggro fairy deck, he doesn't do much for it. Yeah quickcast is nice, but it doesn't mean much as Viviane already effectively gives it to everything. Its much better in a mind games build running counters so you can leave your mana open and just cast everything on your opponents turn. Im curious to see how they handle Titiana using convoke. If they allow you to tap things that have just been played as the tapping is not for one of their abilities, a la mtg rules, she will definitely see a ton of play. Outside of that she'll only really see play in more miderangey Oberon builds.
>>47469056
I do. But I'm poor as fuck, so I can't do any of the new stuff. I'm still back in Shadow Tribal. Still pretty strong, though. Top four at my FLGS every tourney.
>>47469056
>why FoW is great?
idk you tell me
>and why aren't you playing?
the art looks stupid as hell which is enough to keep me away
>Why is FoW great?
I don't know. You tell me.
>Why aren't you playing?
Because the art is cringe as hell and I don't want to be a weeaboo.
>>47470796
>poor
>meaning a goddamn thing in FoW
Shit son, you can build any deck not running cheshire for under 50. Fairies costs maybe 30 and stands up to anything not red. Gill control is 50 if you can make the deck work without Apollo, add 15 if you want to throw 3-4 in to make your big ass beater flying. Most of that cost is the Black Moons Memoria, you dont need Rulers to splash a second color, though it does slow you down a turn or two. Kaguya 3.0 Control decks will run you about 60, with half of that being Moonbreezes, Apollos, and Kaguya herself. And all three are ACC legal so youll have them for another 15 months before they rotate out. Theres no "I'm too poor to play" with FoW, everything is dirt cheap aside from a few staples.
>>47469056
how bad is the second hand market? are cards 10 bucks each ?
>>47471081
Only cards can think of that even approach $10 range are Ruler's Memoria (nearly goddamn mandatory if you have more than 4 regalia in your deck and want to really be competitive), and some Rulers. Cheshire cat is an exception but she rotates soon anyway. Your only real money sinks will be some select regalia, stones, and possibly ruler. Everything else generally runs between pennies up to 2-3 dollars for the competitively popular super rares.
Nah fuck this game
>>47469056
>and why aren't you playing?
Every time I try to play... I end up masturbating furiously for 2 hours.
Damn sexy game art.
>>47469056
>and why aren't you playing?
I don't like card games in general and filtered all the MtG threads already. You are next.
>>47469056
Because MTG is better
Soon.
It's great because it's almost like playing the old days of magic but with better art and recognizable characters. Most of the people in my shop that start playing do so because they know who Lancelot or who Alice is and want to build decks around them whereas new magic players see unfamiliar faces and get turned off by it sometimes.
>>47471944
I'd be at peace with this card if there ends up being a little more counter play then wind refuge, hopefully one of the unrevealed cards. Also fuck anyone who thinks this card is the answer to R/R, this card fucks up the new BoA rulers fiercely, much more so then it does to R/R. The only viable rulers will remain those that have some combination of good ruler side abilities, a good flip effect, enough momentum that moonbeam won't matter (Shion), and/or enough control that they can buy time, run a deck splashed with black to moonbeam you, and wait out refuge if needed (Kaguya). I expect 80% R/R in tournaments and some Shion/kaguya/blazer in tournaments unless they've got some real meta-swinging trump cards in the unrevealed cards.
>>47471944
Isn't Ancient Magic only one per deck or some such?
>spoilers for new set
>more fairies
>on top of the fairies that were spoiled on Tuesday
Fucking
God
Dammit.
>>47473314
There's been no mention of this other then that "it will be significant in the future." I think they would have been straight forward with this if this were the case when BoA drops.
>>47473416
Seems to be rather important since it's labeled differently, and I really can't see them allowing more than 1 of those per deck since it's such an absolute.
>>47472007
>posts the one with pants
>>47473439
It gives them some creative control over it if it cripples the meta for the next 15 months. They could very well create more ancient magic in a future release and create some high cost "protection against ancient magic" regalia or something to keep it in check.
At least Knights of the Round is getting a bit more support soon as well.
>>47472341
Please let there be based Raita art. My dick will be diamonds.
>>47473400
>not playing based fairies in the year of our Lord 2012+4
As someone who was already running fairies and was just hoping for some minor support so I wouldn't have to end up running Kaguya 3.0 SB so I can splash green for Sprint, this shit has been amazing. Today opens up a very viable secondary Kaguya Fairies archetype going WUG
>>47471944
>Tsk
>>47473537
>Lancelotsbestfriend.jpg
>playing against Arla
>opens up with 3 bows
Fuck life.
>>47473400
Fairies are dope though, fairies deck was pretty stagnant with running 20 some weenies, Vivianne, maybe Gwiber, and a hair of support. Now it at least has some options and good mid range builds.
>>47473542
>>47473637
It's nice that they get support, but I wish it wasn't two spoilers in a row. I want to see some other things.
>>47473654
I feel you. I can't remember if all we are getting stone-wise is the rulers, but god I wish they'd throw us some better mana fixing that isnt dual stone abuse.
>>47473701
I believe the only rulers we get are the memorias.
>>47473865
And Arla is the best one.
>>47473865
Yeah, and I'm not too crazy about most of them. Machina 1.0 teamed up with the new machines is going to be crazy though.
>>47473865
I meant are we getting more special stones than just the rulers. I'd love some more moon support, or something to help WUG more. I desperately want to build Crocoshark Rezzard for shenanigans, and Kaguya 3.0 Bunnies
>>47472007
Isn't there a possibility that's a boy?
>>47474529
I'm conflicted on dual stones.
On one hand, I really want there to be good fixing other than running Kaguya 3.0, Sylvia, or a fuckton of regalia for Ruler's Memoria.
On the other hand, should these alpha tier duel lands get reprinted we're just back were we were with amazingly free mana bases.
>play beast tribal
>opponent playing The Arsonist deck
>late game, we're in turn 3 of 5 before it's a tie
>he drops Susanowo
>he has +10 banished cards so his keeper of past is a 1100/1100
>My guys are dead except for one elvish priest
>draw into Beast Queen's Counterattack
>use rapid growth two times, on the elf (900/1200)
>use Counterattack on the elf, making him a 1300/1600 and having him fight the Susanowo
>then attack his keeper of past
>survive the next turn due to Refrain's bouncing ability.
Why is this card so good?
>>47474571
I want less stuff like Ruler's memoria and dual stones and more stuff like what we're seeing in BoA, except maybe a little stronger so that there is a little incentive for color loyalty. Right now most the best decks just run 4x ruler's and splash everything they can get away with.
>>47475435
Yeah it's pretty wicked, free buff and snipe attack without tapping on your turn and thus under your terms of engagement can wreck shit.
Why is the alternate art in FoW so amazing?
>>47475860
>Not Lancelot.jpg
He's like an armor-clad human version of Pepe. Some of the holiday art is fun though, and I like glimpse of kaguya alt.
>>47476183
He is rather glorious.
>>47476183
For you, anon.
any idea when we'll find out more about vingolf 2, after BoA comes out?
I want to fuck Piruruk.
>>47477186
You're late.
>>47476370
>>47476420
How to tell your FoW opponent's personality by their Lancelot:
>Anime Lancelot
Edgelord. Has a smirk on his face as he 4000-0s you. You almost catch him faintly whisper under his breath: "nothing personnel, kid". Is a rulesfag and will scrutinize any play you make that causes him to lose momentum. Will either call a judge over or will pull up the comprehensive pdf file to try and find a rule in his favor. Copied a tournament-winning Blazer deck card for card.
>Female Lancelot
New to the game. Makes some offhand comment about how Lancelot being a woman is stupid. His deck is complete shit. He also does not know how Lancelot's 700 damage nuke works and insists on arguing about it. Will complain about how one of your cards is "cheap" and that the game is broken because of stupid design. Hates the game for "pandering to weebs" and plans on quitting tomorrow.
>Worlds Lancelot
Supreme gentleman. Looks you in the eye with confidence and lets you know that, win or lose, he hopes you both have fun. Has some unique variation to his deck that inspires you to start working on a new deck after the match. If he loses, it's due to some bad draws, but he doesn't complain about it. If he wins, he commends you for the hard fought battle. Shakes your hand firmly before and after the match.
>>47478041
Getting that one was one of the better guys that I've had. Bought two of those Melgis and Faria dual decks when a local shop was about to just eBay them for next to nothing. Sad the dual will stones are leaving, but I think they're coming back in some facet for Vingolf 2.
>>47478041
>still playing Lancelot
>>47478116
>FoW Saber will never be competitively viable.
A shame.
>Why aren't you playing?
The art is always 1) moe trash 2) rejected Dark Souls concepts or 3) softcore anime porn
The game's life totals use big numbers for no reason, you can drop the last two digits off and the game is exactly the same
Will works the exact same way as Mana does in MtG, right down to the archetypes each represent
And do you seriously think this artwork is good in any way? Holy shit lrn 2 anatomy
What's a good way to build Shion and Kaguya decks?
>>47478133
With Bors being added >>47473537
, he's going to be even more useful than he already is. Knights of the Round Table decks are getting a bit more support, so that's nice to see.
>>47474540
Yes, and?
>>47478190
I'm still experimenting around with Kaguya. Going to try a little matchstick girl setup with her soon since I hear it's great.
Shion I find is best flipping as fast as humanly possible. Run 4 Hydromonica and Laevaetinn to make her swing on the flip. Use Hydromonica to ensure Celestial Wing Seraph is on top deck and pull out CWS + Lucifer on the flip. Insane pressure and you can just go in swinging with Shion since she loves sacking Laevaetinn to flip back to ruler side, just to set up the combo again. Splash black for Space time anomaly...horribly broken card.
>>47478247
Then this could be an interesting addition to the decks as well. But, it could also open things to Demonflame and various other terrible bits to counter it.
so how dead is this game in the u.s.?
>>47479663
Its really booming at my local shop. Maybe we have around 16 people that come regularly.
Is the new set really over powered? Are there any new mechanics besides shift? I'm new to fow and enjoy it since it has less bs than magic.
>>47471944
Welp. That actually convinced me. I'm out. I'm going to sell my Force of Will deck and just hop onto the Dice Masters train. Fuck this stupid shit.
>>47473581
Nope. Lancelot requires him to attack first on any round. It's clearly designed to BE lancelot's friend, but terrible oversight ruins it.
>>47480021
>Is the new set really over powered?
What do you mean?
>>47480092
When he enters the field as well for the buff too.
>>47480021
idk about overpowered but it has some meta changing cards. Its adding some board wipe mechanics while also adding a way to deal with j-rulers. Should make an interesting meta but I dont think they made cards that are strictly better.
The salt over Black Moonbeam is just beginning.
>>47480463
I'm still willing to bet it's one per deck.
Well then.
>>47480618
Ches is flat! FLAT!
Has anyone ever ordered anything from 'Coolstuffinc' before?
>>47469056
>Why FoW is great?
It isn't.
>why aren't you playing?
Because I have an IQ above 50.
>>47481379
You're a bit late.
What tier are alice fairies? Just pulled 2nd FA Fairy's Memoria and a FA Fairy Queen.
>>47481725
I can say from experience that I immensely dislike playing against Fairy decks.
>>47481725
Higher than anyone gives her credit. I run her in my meta and only struggle with Red Aggro matchups, which is probably the worst matchup for fairies. Beats regular Alice's World handily, and still beats Pumpkin Witch AW, though typically 2-1. Still have somehow never gotten matched up with our resident R//R Sacred Beasts guy, but from what I've seen of how he plays I could probably take him.
>tfw playing AW with Alice Fairies
>vomit out a hand with 2 Light Sprites early
>proceed to just gain life and chip away at anything they have to block
>let them combo AW for 4 consecutive turns
>don't even get down to starting life total, didn't bother blocking
This was before I realize how retarded I was for not running Sprint and more than 2 Viviannes. Relied heavily on just vomiting out fairies and flipping Alice early to just have a massive beat stick. Champ of that match was mainboarding Holy Grail as protection for Alice
>>47481994
One last shitpost, I promise.
Would you say it's worth ~45 bucks? That's the price after I factor in all the cards from it I currently own. How long could I play it for? Would it be enough to win a free locals?
>>47482093
I'd definitely say its worth it, especially with the support we're getting in BFA. The only thing that might rotate on you is your mana base, depending on what you run. Personally I run 4 Fairy's Memoria, 4 Moonbreeze's Memoria, and 2 Light Stones, just to keep it ACC. You'll have everything for it for the next ~15 months in New Frontiers. And it'll likely win you some games at your locals, depends on how red heavy the meta is for how much you'll win. In ACC though and NF rotation it'll be close to T0, I only see Knights being a problem for it with the amount of support they got. If you want a decklist of what I'm running here it is:
2 Nimue
3 Lunar Ibis
3 Protection of the Seraph
3 Adombrali(honestly just a place holder until BFA)
3 Moonbreeze Fairy
3 Excalibur, Spirit God's Sword
4 Water Sprite
4 Light Sprite
4 Viviane
4 Black Moon Fairy
4 Wind Sprite
4 Flame Sprite
4 Fairy's Memoria
4 Moonbreeze's Memoria
2 Light Stones
3 Wall of Wind
3 Sprint of the Beast Lady
1 Friend from Another World, Kaguya
3 Rewriting Laws
2 Beat of the Phoenix Wings(I like it as a board wipe for anything else focused on vomiting shit out)
3 Gwiber(placeholder)
My sideboard is a little bit of a mess until BFA comes out, but the big things I'm looking at are the new 100/600 light fairy and the quickcast green one drop. Plus the 2 drop dig or buff. Kaguya's in there for mana fixing if flipping Alice is too slow so I can Sprint some poor bastard to death.
has the game become anything resembling balanced yet
quit because when I played everyone was running (if you'll excuse mtg color usage) GBR control bullshit and I couldn't even pretend to compete with my monored unless I lucked into drawing multiple copies of that nonbasic hoser burn spell
>>47482437
Its a little more balanced depending on your meta. In mine we have NecroLance(formerly AW), R//R Sacred Beasts, Gill Control, Fairies, Dark Alice Control, Arla Angels, Machina Ramp, Puss in Boots Combo, and a few others, with those as the power-players.
People are shifting more toward ACC, which shits on red pretty hard as they lose Cthuga and Ame. If you're still worried, in September dual stones rotate, though we may see them reprinted in Vingolf 2.
>>47482578
>dual stones rotate
Hallelujah. Honestly, that was part of my gripe - green could too easily search those out, which meant they could run whatever other colors they wanted.
>we may see them reprinted
Well fuck.
>>47482851
>>47482578
We still don't know what all is going to be in Vingolf 2, but I do wonder what all they'll be adding in since a lot of decks will be losing access to that business.
>>47470819
/thread
>>47469056
>why FoW is great?
Because of the art?
>and why aren't you playing?
Don't care for card games. Art is nice though.
>>47481725
Fairy queen has had a hard life, her ruler side and terms of J activate are pretty shit. She'll get a little help from Oberon and some of the new spoiled cards, but she'll need it with the new board wipe.
Fairies deck itself has been great, sadly to date R/R is generally considered best ruler for it.
So when is the new set out?
>>47485906
BFA releases July 1. New Vingolf releases July 29.
>>47482973
A form of dual stones is confirmed, its just a matter of how you read the translation if they confirmed identical duals or something more like shocklands
>>47482419
Man, I wish I could have multiple carts on TCGplayer. See, I was gonna netdeck this guy, but seeing your deck it's obvious his is missing a few cards. What do you think of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLQyxSVxrik
>>47471944
I already sold out of this game at GP Charlotte. While we were driving up there I saw this card, when we got to the convention center I sold off my cats and other money cards. i will hold onto my stupid cthulu deck, but there is no point in playing this game anymore.
>>47471944
So this just destroys the J-ruler in the ruler zone? Does it die-die or does it become an astral ruler?
Man, if you just can't get magic stones, I may quit too
>>47487162
It says 'J-ruler', meaning it has to be in the field to use it and kill it. If it's still not flipped, the card does nothing
>>47487231
Well, that's not too bad. There's other cards that destroy "j/resonators", that's j-ruler or resonator, right?
>>47487281
Yes.
>>47486826
His manabase is a problem as 6/10 are Grimm Cluster, so they won't be legal at any AGPs and a lot of ARGs, and rotate out of NF in September. I used to actually run similar to his manabase, but 2 each of Shade and Gusting with 2 Moonbreezes. It worked well because it gave the the mana for jamming Sprint as a wincon and allowed me to basically have 6 FMs, but any higher than 2 shade and I'd routinely get fucked by manabase.
He has literally no purpose for rewriting laws other than card draw, so thats 4 dead cards mainboard I see, Adding in Laying the Foundation is just retarded. Another 4 dead cards. If he was worried about card draw, just run 4 of Forsee. Grand Cross is kind of a waste as 90% of the time you'd want to use it, one of yours is going to be the biggest thing on the board. Its at most a sideboard Lance/Ame/Necro hate card. I used to run Protection of the Fairies, but then realized how much of a dead draw it can be and how little I would use Awakening on Nimues and Elaines. Protection of the Seraph is honestly better for protecting a Viviane. Arthur is nice, but isn't a mainboard card. Fairy mainboard needs to be 100% aggro with little in the way of protection. I only run Nimue to tell FKS to fuck off, otherwise shes meh at best and could be replaced by Elaines for more damage. His entire sideboard is a mess aside from R//R. Why he is not running Moonbreeze Fairy with moon support is beyond me, and why theres no sign of Black Moon Fairy is just retarded. "Oh you killed my Viviane? Cool, I'll just chump block your shit and get her back."
With his manabase he should have been running Sprint and Wall of Wind as 3 of's, jammed Moonbreeze Fairy and Black Moon Fairy for more Viviane fodder at the very least, gotten rid of all of his non resonator spells save Excalibur, and possibly jammed in some Gwibers as nice "fuck you" fodder.
>>47486826
Look up the Charlotte ARG Top 8 list from a few weeks ago. It's where I got the inspiration to run Lunar Ibis to abuse the fuck out of fuckloads of life gain with Light Sprite, board wiping with Flame Sprite, or just swinging with fuckhuge fairies. I didn't like Ibis when I first saw it, but I now realize just how much of a champ it is in any deck that can play it. Swung for full life total in a game yesterday abusing Ibis and Wolf in the Moonlight in my Kaguya deck. Built boardstate while telling his shit to fuck right off with Wolf and aggro hate in Cherudim and Crescent Moon Magician, and of course a couple Walls because just saying "no" to something being played is so satisfying. Nothing better than no-ing a Cthuga incarnate.
>>47487352
Oh wait I just realized I mixed up Moon Shade and Moon Light. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU RUN SHADE IN A FAIRY DECK WHEN YOU CAN ABUSE LIGHT WITH FAIRY MEMORIA? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>47487455
I've been looking and looking, but all I found was 2015's top 8. Where did you find the most recent one? It's not on ARG's website or google that I can see.
>>47487494
And now I actually watched the video rather than just check the decklist. Holy shit how do people listen to this retard? First, Casting Sickness ends literally at the changeover of your turn, not on untap, so you cannot tap light sprite right away to gain life as he cheated her in with Viviane at the start of his turn. Then he proceeded to play 2 more fairies giving his board state +6/+6 and proceeded to not play his flame sprite to swing with a 10/10 flying swiftness in addition to his 13/15 Viviane. Does he not understand how Fairies works? You just aggro the shit out of them. Its the fucking perfect "turn your shit sideways" deck. Once a Viviane is on board you should be swinging with everything that can every turn.
>>47487556
Second link on "arg top 8 charlotte"
http://www.argcircuitseries.com/charlotte-argcs-fow-may-14-15-2016.html
>tfw you notice one of the top 8ers looks familiar
>see his name and home town and realize you went to HS with this fucker
>>47475435
This game is three turn clock not five. Git gud.
I own a deck and some boosters of Japanese Weeaboo Magic but haven't got a round playing it....
>>47478247
>>47479663
Pretty live where I am. Definitely more alive than in nipponworld.
Why are almost all of the girls in this flat?
>>47488638
Have you actually looked at the art? Average puts it on the upper end of average with far more titty monsters than flat
>>47488743
>titty monsters
two or three doesn't make the majority of them titty monsters.
>>47488753
Never said the majority. Just said far more than flat, which is true. Shit, even of the fairies, which make the most sense to be flat, most of them have something there at worst.
Postin my deck (alice cluster)
I dont care for my sideboard any suggestions? My guess is some deathscythes
>>47489090
Can make most of them out, but that picture is pretty awful. Just post the decklist overall.
>>47489132
fuck my cheap ass phone
Ruler: Timeline arsonist, Alisaris
Mainboard:
3x Keeper of the Present. Verdandi
4x Time Traveling Emissary
4x Guinevere, the Jealous Queen
4x Rukh Egg
3x Keeper of the Future, Skuld
2x Vell-Savarian Dragon
1x Gareth, the Dauntless Knight
4x Keeper of the Past, Urthr
3x Orb of Disaster, Ifrit Glass
1x Memory of Disappearance
3x Torching the Timeline
3x Burn to Cinders
4x Demonflame
1x Blazing Metropolis, Vell-Savaria
Stones:
6x Fire Magic Stones
4x Disaster's Memoria
Sideboard:
1x Phoenix, the Flame of the World
1x Burn to Cinders
1x Keeper of the Future, Skuld
1x Keeper of the Present, Verdandi
2x Vell-Savarian Dragon
3x Shadow Flame
3x Flame King Shout
3x Gareth, the Dauntless Knight
>>47489275
If you're playing Arsonist there's no reason to not run 4x FKS and 4x Urthr. It's the only thing that makes the deck decent.
>>47489899
idk I kinda hate when you have fks and no urthr in hand. Might give it a try though
>>47473537
omfg i cant unsee, he has two left hands goddammit japs fix your art
>>47491318
>He hasn't seen the illustrator that consistently does derpface that they haven't fired yet.
is there an online version for this game? i don't have friends.
Which FoW has the largest bust, this one?
>>47492150
Asides untap, there's no online game for this. They're working on an app like MTG has for tracking players that's maybe going to come out this year, but after that they're going to work on making an online game for FoW.
>>47492243
Athena is pretty up there too. And I think we all know who has the best ass
>>47492243
>>47492879
I'd still say Seraph is bigger.
>>47492931
Hnnnnnnggg
>>47493056
She's also getting a playmat if anyone cares.
>>47492243
Valentina's up there too, but she seems to fluctuate from each depiction.
>>47492879
If you're talking about Cheshire, Zero is about to give a run for its money.
>>47493925
>Valentina's up there too, but she seems to fluctuate from each depiction.
She's actively getting larger in each new card she's in.
>>47493925
>Zero is about to give a run for its money.
I'd say Zero is going to take the money and run.
>>47493125
>not until Labor Day
FUCK
>>47493925
I was talking Zero. Chesh aint well endowed in either category, but thats ok with me as I prefer perflat.
>>47493994
>this card
It's as if for every card they make to try and knock R/R down a notch, they make something like this that it can abuse better than anyone else. Just ban that overcentralizing Swiss Army knife, Jesus.
>>47494458
It's not an instant, and there's plenty to actually deal with this in general.
>>47494653
Seems good with dark alice god art or dark artur out
>>47494653
There's answers to everything that doesn't have a specific "Thou shalt not chase this" clause that Black Moonbeam has. That doesn't make an excuse for the fact that this is essentially an unrestricted "Down the Drain" for R/R (and ONLY for R/R!) that trades off instant cast for no red target restriction.
People don't care if red gets picked on with spells like "Down the Drain" since it has had such a dominating presence in the past year or so. Now, Down the Drain can absolutely destroy red's mid-range game and therefore decks like Alisaris if played right, but red has a lot of front-loaded and spell damage power anyway so it will not cripple it too much.
Now if you start going around threatening bigger power cards of other colors, that can shut their game out since R/R barely has to invest to pump + split body and soul (1 water cost, 1 pump from ruler side to kill ANYTHING). And if we are moving into a meta where J ruler side is becoming more and more dangerous without one specific safeguard in place (refuge), having things like this that you can do on ruler side becomes that much more potent.
When did they change the font? I'm not sure if I like it or not.
>>47495514
Not too crazy about it either, so I'm hoping they go back after this next set.
So, is the power creep train fully going now, or is the game still avoiding the inevitable fate of all japanese CCGs?
>>47495537
There was a big uproar about it when it was first shown off and FoWCo pretty much said its not returning
>>47496003
Im fine with it beside the O
>>47491318
No, he's just holding the sword in reverse, like a fucking edgetard.
>>47495624
I dont see a power creep, its not like they are making cards that are stictly better than older ones
>>47495624
Yes and no. The game has a cluster format so things naturally rotate out with time. Some cards like Cheshire Cat and Alice's World, Thunder, Split Heaven and Earth, and possibly dual stones are going away soon and unlikely to return in the same form. Dual stones may, but we will see in 2 months if they do or if they do something more like Pain Lands. You have to buy new cards to stay tournament competitive but that is true for all TCGs. It would not surprise me if things like 0 cost regalia never return again after TMS and rotate out in 15 months.
Me and the people at my LGS used to play it for some months in response of Standard MTG being insanely expensive.
The game is fun, I like some of the art, some are a lil weaboo for me but ot was fine and not so expensive.
After months playing it, fetchlands intg rotated and everyone went bacl to mtg.
I still miss those Fridays wjen there were like 20+ FoW players while there were barely 7 mtg players for FNM
>>47471944
This is the most overrated card of all time.
It is NEVER going to be in a maindeck of a top 8 deck.
>>47496129
Try it, It's impossible for your thumb to be on top like that unless it's your left palm.
>>47497807
Some games i win without j activating with alisaris. Are you gonna always keep 2black up or what if you draw multiple? Also im sure there gonna nerf it with the ancient magic tag
>>47469056
>and why aren't you playing?
Netrunner was better so I stuck with that.
I liked Force of Will though. But my money is going to Netrunner.
I was running a Green Yggdrasil Ramp deck, and now that stuff is rotating out, I have no idea what to replace my Elvish Priests and my Gretels with.
1 Yggs
4 Avatar of Seven Lands, Alice
4 World Tree Guardian
4 Child of the Forest
4 Elvish Priest
2 Gretel
4 Blessing of Yggdrasil
4 Keen Sense
4 Branch of Yggdrasil
4 Wind Secluded Refuge
2 Wall of Wind
4 Excalibur-X
10 Green Magic Stone
I was thinking at least a few of that "heal and cycle" card who's name escapes me right now, but I'm not sure, and I don't know if Wall of Wind should go up to four copies or not. All in all, I think the deck will lose something huge with a big chunk of Ramp leaving the game.
With all the hate for R/R, they have some god-tier flavor text on the cards relating to them. Pic related.
>>47497807
Yep pretty much. It's a dead draw if your opponent knows what you are up to and how to play around it, it's a dead draw against ygg, and if you are running multiple copies (which you will need to for consistency if your ruler doesn't have deck search capability) then you will have dead cards littered in your deck. Add to all this that several of the competitive rulers (like Shion) tend to have an explosive flip turn, and you would have to hold over 2 black into their turn to stop this. A good player would read and punish this sort of sloppy use of your resources.
I by no means think it's a bad card but it's more sideboard material than anything for most decks.
All the value little match girl gets with Kaguya.
I love this interaction
>>47501577
I'm about to try this combo out. Do you run any high cost resonators in this deck? Izanagi, or CWS/Lucifer? Just curious what you run along side her other than some of the Kaguya staples (moonbreeze elf, maybe some ibises, etc).
>>47478255
its confirmed as a girl.
>>47478041
It's funny, because I'm the second.
>>47473865
Is this suppose to be professional card design? I'm a designer and I do card frame commissions. This looks like someone with barely any experience tried to make a card. Never leave obvious "photoshoppy" things in your card like the obvious brushed orbs with a glow effect, the blur filtered face and that ugly "Ruler" pillbox gradient. The frame border itself looks like shutterstock garbage. The symbols look generic, like they were downloaded on a free vector website.
The font choice is atrocious and barely readable. Why in the world would someone (POORLY) modify the Morpheus font and use it in a card game?
That tasteless use of times new roman and helvetica makes me cringe.
Whoever assembled these gnarly pieces of trash into InDesign didn't know shit about that either. The entire (ugly) white box has terrible space issues and no good indicator that the text is flavor, except the lack of rules. The pillboxes look like a failed attempt at replicating Cardfight Vanguard and the bottom textbox, on top of having an ugly gradient on the border, has the most crammed together table of data.
>>47473918
Ridiculous glow on the leaf symbol. Art that doesn't match the frame or other art. Poorly cleaned art with photoshop artifacts.
>>47475435
That gradient on the mana display at the top, jesus fuck. The chunky bevel done poorly. That tacky 1st Edition sticker. Using a thin serif font for that top header. Hell, using a thin font with outlines ever. Obvious photoshop rounded stroke instead of professional sharp edge stroke.
What. A. Mess.
>>47502559
You might be autistic.
>>47502559
Just don't play this "poorly game" and be the "perfect" man.
>>47502559
Please calm down.
Because the art if generic korean mmoshit weaboo fapbait trash.
>>47502900
Being a professional is now autistic
>>47502995
Come on, you can fit a couple more buzzwords in there if you try.
>>47495010
Am I reading the same card? Reflect's pump is over by the time you can cast this and none of Refrain's modes deal with pump either. To me this feels more like a way to hit tribal decks when there is a Lord out.
>>47502559
>Art that doesn't match the frame or other art.
Not to nitpick your from your larger argument about card design, but I like that the art in Force of Will lacks focused consistency. I like to see different artists' interpretations of characters. I'd hate to see the game move to a largely homogenized art style. Seeing different artists with different styles is part of the art's appeal in my humble opinion.
Except for derpface guy. Man, they have to fire that artist.
>>47503189
I don't really see where the misunderstanding is. Reflect pumps on your turn til end of turn to a target resonator. This spell is a Chant, cast on your turn after you pump an enemy resonator that you dislike.
This spell has some very specific purposes (dealing with Arthur as a big one), but R/R gets so much more use out of it.
Darkness in general loves this card too, but darkness getting more support is a good thing.
>>47471944
Because of a card that does nothing 90% of the time? What?
>>47502559
Brah, it don't matter, none of it matter, people still play ygo, people still play FoW, people still play games with objectively terrible graphic design and there's nothing you can do.
>>47503364
Basically this. It may seem great, but there's just too much that can be used to negate it completely, more so if you plan for not even needing to J activate in the first place.
>>47487352
>>47487494
>>47487641
So the more I think about it, the more I wonder, why moonbreeze? How am I gonna cast my fairies if I only have moon and light?
>>47503221
durrrrrrrr
>>47503900
FIRE THIS MAN.
>>47501891
The artist confirmed it as a boy.
>>47504012
Isn't it weird how faces are the only thing he seems to fuck up that hard? The rest of wind sprite is super pretty, it'd look great if the face didn't look like it was drawn by a 12-year old.
>>47504105
I just don't know, FoW has some very talented artists, this person has to have some kind of inside relationship with the company. Fortunately they seem to keep him contained to a few commons per release.
>>47504105
There's just some artist that can't draw faces/people at all, but can draw some of the most amazing landscapes.
At least Yggdrasil is getting some support.
>>47479663
There were around 24 ppl tourneys when MtG Staandard decks were around 500$+. Played with lot of ppl and had some fun. The mtg mechanics helped mtg players to learn the game quickly. Those 5 months were pretty cool.
Then Shadows over Innistrad + rotation came and most players went back to MtG.
>>47504468
Yeah, about the same around here. But it seems like MTG Modern is actually in decline and Legacy format is increasing in its playerbase.
>>47504293
I love the ygg and fairy love in this set. Playing ygg has never meant a dull moment, but now the swing potential in trying to survive the opponent's all-in, dropping a few of these and a 1000 heal for good measure has me excited.
Plus we get to laugh at people who main deck black moonbeam. Good times.
>>47504595
And team the wolf up with this little guy, and it should be an interesting bit.
>>47504532
Modern and Legacy is kind of dead at my LGS. There are still playerss excited with the neew cards from FoW and some players have MTG and FoW decks to play both tourneys.
We also have MtG and FoW tourneys on fridays with 10-16 ppl for each tourney.
Gotta say, the game fix most of stuff mtg cant (mana screw/flood). And since its still new in the market, it still have the chaance of evolve and become better. I dont give much importance about the art (but still there are a couple one I'd never show to my friends).
Change thw fucking font, employ better english translators and fire derpface artist and the game will fucking improve.
>>47504752
>(but still there are a couple one I'd never show to my friends).
Which ones?
>>47502559
Can we see your work then?
>>47494009
>>47478182
Obviously these ones.
>>47504787
Forgot to reply, but those from >>47505021 are cards that I would never show outside of a LGS
>>47469056
>why aren't you playing?
Because I don't feel any desire to play "mtg but with loli porn and yugioh numbers" at all.
>>47505180
It's adorable you haven't even left this thread yet.
So when are they going to tease Vingolf 2? I mean, it doesn't come out that much after BoA.
>>47505180
Wait, there's loli porn in this game? Why didn't anyone tell me sooner?
>>47507686
Because there's not.
>>47504752
MTG in general is dead here. Everybody jumped ship pretty much as soon as two people came in to play. "Magic Stone Deck" was the key phrase in their explanation.
>>47508121
>Magic Stone Deck" was the key phrase in their explanation.
what?
>>47508274
New players get super pissy over flood/screw.
>>47501778
Check the Charlotte Top 8 list posted earlier. The Kaguya deck featuring LMG took first.
>>47503892
With viviane. And it will be extremely rare for you to not see a fairys memoria by that time. And as added insurance, thats what excalibur is there for. It slows you down for a turn to pump you ahead. Ive never once been fucked hard enough by the manabase to not see multicolor support by T2. Viviane just helps you cheat shit in immediately. Dropping a water sprite with her almost always nets you a card, and likely a light fairy so even if you get mana screwed you still have a second play with viviane to keep pumping. And this is why you should always mull to get 2 light attribute fairies, insurance that you can still aggro or life gain out.
>TFW trying to make FoW in tabletop simulator
Holy shit, could they have made it any less intuitive? No wonder there's no games. All I can seem to make are full decks, is there no way to give people the option to make their own?
>>47502559
Are there actually any good tutorials out there on how to design card frames? I always wanted to learn that.
>>47472007
No-Pants Cat-Person... in ATTACK MODE!
>>47478041
I ultimately can't get past the power levels FOW cards have at times. In MTG terms, Lancelot would be 6/6 with Haste and Firebreathing for two red.
Granted FoW is a game where all creatures are bananas, so it balances that way, I guess.
>>47510731
He'd be a 3/3 actually.
Who cares about framework, post more titty monsters.
>Buy 6 TTW single packs today because why not, I'm a TCG junkie anyway.
>Foil Ruler's Memoria, and Foil Full Art Ruler's Memoria.
Today is a good day.
>>47511694
Why isn't she wearing clothing?
I feel stuck on what to play. Right now I'm just dicking around with Beast Tribal because it's the FoW equivalent of mono-green stompy. I'm looking for something more though. I've considered Shion with Seraph and Lucifer, but we already have enough of those running around. I've thought about Kaguya 3.0, but same story. I don't want to sound hipster or contrarian, but I want to play something different than others. White decks like Arla disgust me and black feels too grindy. How does Alisaris fair? What does blue have other than Shion Angels? Is there a Shion list isn't focused on them or run Cheshire Cat?
>>47508666
Kaguya is so difficult to know when to tap or not, and when to activate or not sometimes. I take it this deck has her J Activate ASAP since match girl turbo charges her. But he also ran 3x Lucifer, 3x CWS, and 2x Izanagi. That's a lot of cards that hit that high cost level. Maybe just me. Cherudim seems like an MVP as well with all the rampant red out there (4 of the top 8 ran 4x Lancelot with most of the usual entourage). Do they record these matches? I'd love to watch him play it out.
>>47512894
He feels a bit weird. As a j/ruler he begs for a late game, but the fire typing begs for a fast and furious playstyle. Down the Drain is going to hurt him a lot when BFA drops because his mid-late game fire resonators can get sniped on the cheap. You should try him out though, but try not to give up too much of the sweet early game aggression that red brings you when building around him.
What's the best Ruler for Wind Mana Beasts? I'm not using Sacred Beasts, so Pricia is kind of an out there.
>>47513657
You mean like beast tribal? R/R is the obvious choice because of the absurd utility they provides. If you feel like going off the beaten path, consider Crimson Girl in the Sky // Little Red the True Fairy Tale. Little Red doubles all your pump spells, so rapid growth and such is +800/+800.
>>47513786
Sorry, meant to say Alice Cluster for this as well.
>>47513657
Tree maybe? He's getting some good support in BFA at least.
>>47504293
Also gets to not worry about this >>47471944
So what type of Ruler is she going to be?
>>47514120
red
>>47514120
With that chest she'll be Blue to replace Valentina.
>>47514120
>>47514145
>>47514166
I'm just hoping the release doesn't use official stock art. I'm not familiar with the game Vingolf 1 is based off of but I found the art there to be very disappointing.
Raita please!
>>47514649
This was the image they teased earlier >>47472341
>>47514120
... Okay, so. I was just looking up this game and was about to give it a try, since I was intrigued by the mechanics, but then I started browsing Rulers and became irritated at how 'Mundane [Color] Wizard' and 'Alice, Kawaii Desu Chan' co-existed in the same card game. I came here to berate you all for playing a game with such a confused, clashing aesthetic. Then I see this.
I've been roleplaying Selvaria for like 5 years and even own some figmas, little bit obsessed. Are they seriously putting her in the game? Am I being trolled?
What the fuck is even going on anymore. What is this game.
>>47515036
>I've been roleplaying Selvaria for like 5 years
What?
>>47515101
Don't ask, it's weird.
But please, help me understand. I'm so confused.
Why are the Rulers so inconsistent?
Why are there Rulers that look like they would fit into the MTG aesthetic standing next to cute anime girls?
Why are some called 'Solipsissia, Maiden of Rainbows' and others just called 'Blue Wizard'?
>>47515161
Why are they called 'J-Rulers' when they power up?
Why didn't they translate it to something more immediately comprehensible than 'J-'?
'Final Ruler'?
'X-Ruler'?
'Awoken Ruler'?
'Adv. Ruler'?
How are they allowed to use established franchises in their card game? You'd never see an MTG expansion set in fucking Lordran or Middle Earth.
>>47515261
Why is every bit of flavor text literally a direct quote from a shounen anime?
'Tsk, forcing me to use this much power...'
'I must protect my friends!'
Why is the rules text so tiny?
>>47515261
Well i guess its a promotional thing with the vingolf set.
The j stands for judgement i think. It doesnt bother me at all.
>>47515161
>Why are rulers so inconsistent
Several different artists with several different artstyles with no set boundaries.
>>47515261
Because it's called "Judgment" when they flip.
Because they paid for it.
>>47515335
Its written like anime because its japanese i suppose. Its pretty corny but i expected it when i started
>>47515356
>Several different artists with several different artstyles with no set boundaries.
But why? It's so distracting. I was honestly really excited to give this a try until I looked up the cards and saw how inconsistent the art style was.
I wouldn't really mind if it was 100% animu, and I wouldn't mind if it was 100% standard fantasy. I wouldn't even mind if it was 100% somewhere in between, but instead we have two cards on the exact opposite ends of the spectrum sitting next to eachother.
Imagine if MTG introduced an animu-as-fuck card and you had to put it down next to your Leatherback Baloth. That's how it comes across.
Oh well. Are the mechanics as promising as they seem? It is basically MTG with no manascrew and Yu-Gi-Oh monster attributes?
>>47515406
The Artstyle is a bit grating at first, but it gets more tolerable, but that might just be me getting used to it.
Mechanics are neat in my opinion. It feels fast like yugioh but still has a resource similar to MtG. There is less spell interaction with creatures, but as a trade-off you can attack tapped creatures themselves, meaning attacking may have more consequences than it seems.
>>47512968
Well I'd assume its built on T4 flipping and using mana dorks to Gods Art and cast big shit. You can still flip early and call more stones, letting Kags get fuckhuge of LMG spam, and once theres a LMG, you can pretty easily boardwipe your opponent if you can afford to cast an actually awakened LMG.
>>47515406
>Imagine if MTG introduced an animu-as-fuck card
Are you retarded?
>>47515678
And if I ever saw that in play next to my Baloth, I'd immediately kill myself.
>>47511981
>Why isn't she wearing clothing?
Because she is a goddess and goddesses never wear clothes, don't you know that? Wikipedia also says that she is the
>goddess of fertility, love, war, and sex.
but her domain is probably unrelated.
>>47512894
>How does Alisaris fair
If you want me to go in detail, I just sweeped our local shop with him. I'll write him up when I finish up here.
>>47481355
I don't really like their standards of card grading, especially when I grabbed three Liliana of the Veil from them that didn't really look NM during their holiday sale. Shouldn't be much of a factor on a game as recent as FoW, their service was otherwise fine.
>>47515750
If you are playing Leatherback Baloth odds are you are playing some kitchen table garbage anyway.
so is selvaria going to be our new titty monster ruler now?
>>47516051
We dunno. There's 5 rulers across the 3 games. She might be a resonator.
>>47516126
She's the postergirl, I can't imagine her not being a ruler.
I am considering picking up this game. I have played Magic, Netrunner, and L5R. /tg/, sell me on this one.
>>47516828
Its fun
>>47516828
Do you like anime tits?
>>47516828
It feels like you are allowed to play the game.
Unless you fight against Alice's World.
I'm trying to make a Mono Red Cain deck. Are there any must-haves that I need to know about? Should I use Laevateinn?
>>47517580
>Should I use Laevateinn
Does a bear shit in the woods?
You should be running 4 of almost every regalia that gives your J-Ruler power plus Apollo for that flying.
>>47516828
Its removes mana screwing of course. Your decks are more consistent since you are guaranteed your ruler and your guaranteed mana. You have more choice to make per turn than MTG due to having a ruler and also because none are draws will be lands.
when does that new set come out?
>>47515948
Mono-G stompy is pretty fun and can sack wins like nothing, using Berserk feels good too.
This game is great but there's a strong correlation between going first and winning.
>>47519277
July 1.
And Vingolf 2 on July 29. Big month for the game.
is there any other game with similar art but not thinly veiled and as full on erotica playing cards with lewd rules and interactions?
>>47469056
>Why FoW is great?
It's not.
>why aren't you playing?
Because it's not.
>>47521759
What great games are you playing right now?
>>47509373
Nope, none that I've seen which are good. Essentially you need to practice basic design. I would say the closest resemblance to card design is either page layout or web design (sans coding). For Adobe users, you'll want to skeleton the design in photoshop and run it by the client. From there, you flesh it out and export the pieces. With InDesign, you can typeset to your heart's content which has a modularity advantage and it changes the graphical elements any time you save the PSDs.
The disadvantage of doing it the "right way" is most clients don't have InDesign and only have a (pirated) copy of Photoshop. Generally, my designs end up sent as PSD with many many layers for client usability and modularity.
>>47505018
Absolutely. Client specifications were "modernized art-deco" and the pic related layout. I'd never delved into that art style before so it was a bit of a challenge and I had to do several studies. Delivered in about a day. It's certainly not perfect, and no one's work ever is. But I critique so hard because blatant disregard for design isn't okay or professional. If you fail, you should at least try first.
>>47523099
>because blatant disregard for design isn't okay or professional
You're adorable.
>>47523180
:3
just a zealot
>>47523210
Is that why your design looks like the UI of a shitty mobile game?
>>47523099
So the first time I come here to bitch, I get distracted by the Selvaria reveal.
The second time I come here to bitch, I get distracted by a sci-fi card designer less than an hour after I decided I want to try my hand at making a small scale sci-fi card game.
This is some voodoo nonsense.
I'm pretty sure everyone being condescending is just trying to defend their weeb game at this point. The thread is 50% people saying 'jesus christ that art' and 50% people saying 'eh well yeah but im okay with it'. There is obviously a problem and even the people who enjoy the game are slightly uncomfortable with it.
That aside, do you have Skype? I'm kinda tempted to commission a design from you now.
>>47523276
Sure, it's easier to contact me on /tg/'s discord: https://discord.gg/0pEgcQvEfLw9m1WY
>>47523276
>even the people who enjoy the game are slightly uncomfortable with it.
I'm not seeing the issue.
>>47469056
>Why FoW is great?
It expands on the concepts of other games like MTG, and adds things that players might like that reduce frustration, like the Magic Stone deck.
The new card flow is also faster with new sets coming out more regularly, keeping the game fresh feeling, while the set sizes are smaller, making it easier to get some of the cards one would want.
Then there's the additional products like the Vingolf sets that join FoW with other franchises to make something that both parties can enjoy.
Another interesting idea is the take on other fantasy concepts, such as Norse mythology, all sorts of fairy tales and stories, and even the Cthulu mythos. Their own takes on fantasy, such as the Seven Kings world is also fun too.
>and why aren't you playing?
Because I have been able to chill with my friends in a while. Still working on decks though, one featuring "Little Red, the Wolf Girl" and the other with "Kaguya, Princess of the Moon" that has a very heavy feature of Treasury items.
The Little Red deck is moving more towards having Moons to flip LR when perfectly appropriate while resonators are there to mostly deal damage to other resonators through abilities. Trying to get a playset of Little Match Girls and Magic Matches for that deck too.
My Kaguya deck is a control deck, something I don't really play in other games much. The Magic Stone deck helps with the consistency so it doesn't feel frustrating when I'm a bit behind. It's also a five-color deck, which has been fun trying to figure out. If I can get Kaguya flipped and have some Robes of Fire-Rat out, I'm usually able to control the game well before I drop a humongous Servant of Kaguya to end the game.
Also working on a Sylvia Gill Palarilias deck since I cracked one at a tourney once.
>>47503880
na.
>>47503138
How bout uh...
Shitfilter?
