Failing Grades Edition
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
Do your worst.
>>47293880
Can you post one withoutLion's spotfilled in?
For Grey Knights
>Grand Master
B-
>Brother Captain
C
>Librarian
A
>Brotherhood Champion
C-
>Techmarine
C
>Paladins
C
>Purifiers
B
>Dreadnought
D-
>Terminators
B+
>Strike Squad
D-
>Interceptors
B-
>Stormraven
B+
>Razorback
C-
>Rhino
B+
>Purgation Squad
C-
>Nemesis Dreadknight
A+
>Landraiders (all variants)
C+
>Draigo
B+
>Crowe
D+
>Stern
C-
>>47293898
Do it
>>47293863
It's been forever since I've played Guard and Black Templars. What's changed recently?
>>47293447
How do you make Nobz not a D- unit? Nobz seem too pricey to do anything other than 'eavy armor and big choppas and even then they're only good at mulching anything short of power armor and medium vehicles.
>>47294146
black templars got VANILLA'd. they lost their relics, vows, and got put in the vanilla book
guard are the same as ever, minus some characters and more tanks
>>47294204
Oh....
Is there anything that resembles good news?
>>47294231
>Is there anything that resembles good news?
the vanilla space marine dex is tippity top tier.
>>47293880
Newer Player.
Not sure if I got Fulgrim right but I haven't read much loyalist fluff.
Just the basic story line and a few specific primarchs when I was looking for my first army.
>>47294231
for black templars? they got all the benefits of being in the vanilla book which means formations though they can't use crusade squads in them or the new psychic powers. but hey you get flyers and your own warlord table. oh also they don't hate psykers now, just distrust them and they are officially only 1k marines like other chapters
>>47294259
>sanguinius
>moroe
I mean hes pretty but wouldnt fabio be better?
>>47294322
>fabio
I just new he was a blonde pretty boy, I dont know any names of actual ones. Already had her on my computer.
>>47294259
Mostly spot-on. Fulgrim needs to be prettier though, and I don't get Angron. And can you fill in the rest?
>>47294175
Give them at-initiative weapons, like so:
bitly/OrksPDF
They get to swing at i5 on the charge unless they take PKs; part of their worthlessness is that they don't have more than 2 weapons, so problem eliminated. They also got 20 point bikes.
>>47294322
No, Fabio is clearly the Emperor. Haven't you seen how he can multiclass?
Anyone have experience with Eldar Corsair? What units are good? I read the 1d4chan tactics but still have some questions.
Like what weapons are the best?
What are the Voidstorm Bands for?
Is the Malevolent Band good?
I'm still pretty new to the game.
>>47294375
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsx27fo3rq2x7tk/Codex%20-%20Orks%207th%20Edition%20Update%20%5BSpace%20Odin%5D%282016%29.pdf?dl=0
FFS, bitly, get your shit together.
>>47294380
I do see the resemblance there...
>>47294375
Oh trust me I know about the Ork fandex, I love that thing. But not everyone is okay playing against homebrew. I'd just run the bastards with Big choppas 'Eavy Armor and rend everything to death.
>>47294386
cloud dancers are amazing
reavers are good
balestrike are downright nasty with dark lances, hornets with kinetic shrouds are straight up aids in the butt
voidstorms are the unit of all felarchs right? if so, they're decent as bodyguard for your prince with a baron
malevolent bands are dogshit sadly
>>47294361
Probably not without research.
i know Khan is the biker
I just remember Fulgrim being a more emo Sanguinus and kinda vampy too
Ferrus is a steel gate if rogal is a yellow wall
Either Mort or Pert are the smith guy
Corax doesnt even sound familiar
Couldnt tell you about Lorgar either.
I guess I got Angron wrong, I thought one of the bad ones turned to nurgle so kind of took a shot. Remember him being discribed as smelly and someone had a hilarious screen cap of an adventure that made me laugh.
Who am I thinking of? Maybe it wasnt a primarch.
>>47294412
Glad to hear it; another Ork player in my own group said she would never use homebrew, but really, most of this thing was bringing back good ideas & balance that had been torn away. They have to be tired of watching you run MegaStikk Bosses, Mek Gunz, & Grots.
>>47294422
Why are Malevolents dogshit?
Also how to kit the Voidstorms (Felarch Group)
And is the Eldar Missile Launcher any good on Balestrike?
>>47294435
>Either Mort or Pert are the smith guy
Pert is, yes.
>Corax doesnt even sound familiarsmol birb
>Couldnt tell you about Lorgar either.
Some douche who fucked everything up for everyone.
>I guess I got Angron wrong, I thought one of the bad ones turned to nurgle so kind of took a shot. Remember him being discribed as smelly and someone had a hilarious screen cap of an adventure that made me laugh.
>Who am I thinking of? Maybe it wasnt a primarch.
You're thinking of Mortarion, literally no one cares about him though so it's an easy mistake to make.
Angron is... well, the name says it all, really.
>>47294435
Vulkan, Ferrus, and Fulgrim were smiths, though Vulkan was the most well-known, iirc.
Angron was the agnry one.
Lorgar was the one who loved religion and was unhappy when he was told it was bad, mmkay?
Corax is the goodguy ninjabatman.
Mort is the creepy anti-psyker poisonfreak.
Pert is the WWI send troops at them till it dies guy.
Ferrus has metal hands from wrestling a dragon atop a volcano.
Fulgrim was evil perfectionist Sanguinius.
All the others are correct.
>>47294259
If you are reading any fluff ever than your Lion choice was just a meme you saw at the start of the thread.
Two Face, maybe even an idiot or someone sleeping.
If you made vulkan a negative colour of what you have their it would be more accurate.
>>47294435
Jaghatai Khan is Genghis Khan in space, Ferrus Manus is the Terminator, and Angron is a typical metal band screamer guy.
reminder that tau players have actual problems with AV because they have a hard enough time as it is remembering how Toughness works
>>47294464
I'm all for it but I'll have to see how players around me feel about it. I'm hype to run the Red Sunz Motakayde and play Mad Morkz: The Army
Though I understand the need for speed, does the wording for infantry needing bikes/transports conflict with taking Stormboyz?
>>47294465
prince with reaper of the outer dark and void sabre, baron and felarchs all get jetbikes, and then shadow fields and venom blades on the felarchs, use them to soak wounds for your prince so he can actually make it into CC.
eml is pretty lame all around, dark lance is better for sure
malevolents are expensive, only t3 so tons of things ID them and cant take transports
>>47294375
I just find it weird that you gave nobs a 5 point discount on their weapons but also bumped their base cost 5 points too
Does anyone have the short story of some dude who went tratior with Mortarion and kept a log of how smelly he was?
>>47294503
>smol birb
wut
Also thanks for understanding who I meant by the smelly guy
>>47294507
>were smiths
Went and checked and Perturabo was a super smith:
"sometimes called the Lord of Iron (known also as The Breaker and The Hammer of Olympia) is the Primarch of the Iron Warriors Traitor Legion"
>>47294509
>Lion choice
Is this picture better?
>>47294513
Yeah thats how I remember Khan
>>47294549
Cool, Thanks for the tips. Makes sense.
>>47294568
>Perturabo was a super smith
...No
Pert just hit people with a hammer.
>>47294584
he did craft some pretty good stuff and was known for building good forts but he's overshadowed by the others. i believe his armor is way better
hell if someone had hugged him and told him he was doing a good job he probably wouldn't have turned
>>47294568
Corax's whole deal is being Caw Caw the Sneaki Cheeki Breeki. It's pretty obvious he has some type of bird fetish. "Corvus Corax" is in fact the scientific name for the common crow and literally translates to Raven Raven.Also his last known words were "Nevermore..."
And Pert is more of an engineer/architect than a smith. I'm retarded, forgive me.
>>47294601
>>47294610
I was talking about names for people but Storm is overused. As for the brother thing Marines are brothers.
>>47294584
while he wasnt as expert as ferrus manus or vulkan at crafting things, he did make some incredibly intricate and beuatiful things, and that was his dream life, but he was forced into turning his skills towards perpetual warfare
>>47294681
I don't think they write enough fluff to reuse a ton of names...
>>47294686
He forced himself to do it. He was too fatalistic and paranoia was in his geneseed.
>>47294705
How many times have you seen the name Lucius popped up in the fluff?
How can I make my Carcharodons more Khornate? The goal is to not be super obvious about it, but have keen observers go "hey, your army is secretly corrupted by Khorne, isn't it?".
I already have
- Lots of blood splatter
- All squads in numbers of 8
- All squads have a CCW
- Some chainswords have been replaced with axes
Would having bare left arms be too obvious?
>>47294746
>Charcarodons
>Khornate.
Pick one. The Space Sharks are pure! PURE!
>>47294746
Being too much of a pansy who can't even kill mold in the basement anymore. Who has that picture?
>>47294746
How are bare left arms khornate?
>>47294746
Take a symbol of khorne that's small, but not too small. Divide it Into 8 pieces, embellish 8 characters/vehicles with a piece of it.
Adding to >>47294839
Cut up a Khorne or even chaos transfer and apply the parts on characters/vehicles
>>47294803
maybe some dickhead named KHARN
Not countin' da zoggin' tabletop, Orks iz still da best, roight?
R..roight lads? You 'av'n't gone and mucked about wiv anutha bunch a lads, 'ave ya?
>>47294911
I had my inner Ork awakened playing Battlefleet Gothic.
>two Imperial cruisers left
>one was nearly dead
>my battleship had a grot for a captain and the git left me for dead
>only had one escort left
>still fought on until the end
>>47294911
>>47294911
>Ork bro says we should play our bikes against eachother
>He is bringing 27 backed up by 20 boyz in a wagon and Gretchin and some Mek Gunz
>"You only won because my codex is so weak, good game though"
I told that faggot my termis would be a better game, but no a bike v bike game would be fun he said.
Retard.
>Do my Ravenwing face
>>47294746
Model some skulls on the bases
So has the rest of the Bequin trilogy just been totally shitcanned at this point?
It's been almost 4 years and we've heard absolutely no news that I know of.
What is Dan Abnett doing right now? I saw that copies of Warmaster were going for several hundred dollars apiece on Amazon for a while but now it's nowhere to be found online.
tha fuck is going on?
>>47294990
How horrible that he wanted to have some fun playing Mad Max on the tabletop
>>47295034
If that is what you took from that story, you are dumb too.
After I warned him that my Ravenwing would be too strong he said nah and turned down my terminator list (which I prefer to bring against Orks/Nids/CSM) so they have a chance. He denied and we play our bikes v bikes, and he concedes turn 4 and blames it all on his codex.
So if they win they are tactical geniuses, but if they lost its the books fault. That is what pisses me off. Tyranids are the exact same way even if they are spamming big bugs.
>>47295030
Isn't he an epileptic or had a seizure at one point? I can't remember. I think he's slowly losing interest in 40k, and being not being able to write what he wants to write has taken its toll.
>>47295066
sounds really tough having to be the good guy
>>47295018
Is this too Khorney?
>FAQ says you can't take battle brothers transport
>Rule book says you can
Why?
>>47295103
I'm offended that you dare to call that too Khorney. Anon, if it's not flaming goat raping axe skull flails, and blood skull murder wrath axes you're doing it wrong.
>>47295112
A lot of those FAQs do that. It's retarded. They FAQ shit that didn't even need FAQs, just to make the rules more confusing or to completely contradict rules everyone was fine with and understood.
See also, grenades in melee, then the new FAQ treating them as thrown grenades in shooting.
>>47295124
>40k
>no goat rape
If you can even CALL that 40k.
>>47295145
I haven't seen Khârn tossing flaming axes that being raped by goats made of skulls and flails before sue me.
>>47295112
>tfw the FAQ fucked my admech tourney list
>tfw I now my T: 3 units are getting slaughtered because they have to foot slog across the battle field with 18 inch guns
I should just switch to KDK or Necrons
>>47295112
>after careful analysis, it turned out to be a bad decision. Besides only marines should have drop pods.
>>47295181
Don't worry. In 5 short months you can get access to Mechanium stuff such as their motor pool.
>>47295181
I don't give a shit about War Convocation faglords getting a nerf, but I think it's bullshit for any player, even the cheeselords, to buy hundreds of dollars of Drop Pods or something and then have it be invalidated.
That's some bullshit right there.
>>47294568
I think this is what you want
>>47295073
No idea about the epileptic/seizure thing.
I thought 40k was his thing though. I suppose it would get old after writing 30+ novels for the series but if he is indeed getting tired of it I sure wish he would have wrapped it up rather than just leaving it all hanging.
Gaunt is left trying to incite a civil war between the allied Chaos factions in the Sabbat Worlds, Bequin is left being kidnapped by a Daemon Prince turned Daemonhost controlled by an Inquisitor who's fallen off the deep end, we need some goddamned closure.
Are MANZ worth footslogging? I was going to bring one for my killteam campaign, i need the powerklaw they provide on a sturdier(and less expensive) base than a regular nob but the slow and purposeful feels like too much
>>47295292
Get a deff dread, they can run at least
>>47295236
We just have to wait for the stars to allign.
>>47291138
>this moron actually thinks RAW > RAI
>thinks it's funny that people with enough brains to spot RAW inconsistencies, mistakes, and obviously unintended RAI
How's THIS for preservation, faggot?
Cataphractii Captain can ride bikes and can't take any weapons by RAW.
>>47295311
Its HoR, deff dreads have too much AV. I could bring a kan but the poor weaponskill and number of attacks isnt promising
>>47295351
Take a minimum squad of bikers with a klawnob in it. Decently survivable and will actually get somewhere
>>47295338
>Cataphractii Captain can ride bikes
I still want to see that.
>>47295406
Scibor makes awesome looking Terminator sized bikes. Great for those IH faggots who play the fully upgraded chapter master with the retarded meme name.
>>47294773
>mfw I'll never make my ally SM army, half Flesh Tearers, half Space Sharks
I want equal points on each side. But I think Seth and Tyberos are differently priced due to Tyberos being in termy.
>>47295381
Im going to sound autistic here but i fucking hate bikes. They look dumb, i refuse to use them. You did answer my question though, dont footslog them.
Why are CSM so shit, /tg/?
>>47295112
You can't start the game embarked on your BB transport, you can though embark rhinos during your movement phase and then the rhino, they cut out the drop pod taxi shenanigans though, wich is good since it's supposed only SM can survive that atmospheric re entry.
>>47295200
Wait, IA14 is out in October?
Awesome. Macrolid or whatever it's called is the Rhino of the Ad Mech, right? The one that looks like a train is the Land Raider transport, right?
>>47295443
>mfw I play those armies
I just treat them as two separate armies. You can still ally they just have to be kept away from each other.
I'm going to start Minotaurs next.
>>47295451
Hey at least they aren't tyranids, orkz or dark eldars, those armies truly suck.
>>47295446
Same here. The FW bikes look cool but I don't want to buy the models and I'd still hate fielding them. I wish I could be viable with just basic infantry and maybe some Rhinos. None of this Imperial Knight, flyer, psyker, cavalry, bike bullshit. Back in the day when guys like Abaddon, Calgar, and Mephiston were actually some of the best units in the game.
>>47295112
Because gw can never admit they're wrong, so rather than just admit they fucked up and made war convo way too strong and then nerfing it, they had to stealth nerf it by "clarifying" the rules, and thus fuck over tons of people who were using drop pods, many of whom weren't even running war convo.
>>47295451
Because they're a 5th edition book and it's 7th edition.
I wish people realised that you gain NOTHING by moaning on /tg/.
If you want change, write an email and send it to GW's rule department.
[email protected]
Here. There is the email. They won't reply, but write a well reasoned and 'balanced' dex and explain why X or Y is good and you might get somewhere.
>>47295467
tfw ork player
why does GW hate orks?
>>47295454
>to counter 1 transport they fuck up all kinds of transport for everyone else
>>47295482
CSM are 6E. The first 6E book I think, and currently the oldest.
From a time where GW said "you know what, we're going to NERF this army when it gets updated instead of making them stronger than 5E SW/IG/Necrons/GK, because our plan is to balance the game!" Then they give up once it's time to get Tau/Eldar release.
Saaaame thing happened in 7E. See Dark Eldar, Blood Angels, etc.
That's why whenever GW nerfs an army, I call them on their bullshit but faggots just go "hurrr do you want more Eldar OP stuff it's good they're nerfing people". Except GW NEVER NERFS EVERYONE, THEY ALWAYS GIVE UP HALFWAY THROUGH, AND ELDAR AND TAU JUST GET NUMEROUS BUFFS IN A ROW.
>>47295451
ruleswise or fluffwise ?
>>47295423
I'll use it for some Tau defectors.
>>47295451
Everything is slightly overcosted while not feeling very fluffy either. That's literally it.
>>47295460
Lucky git.
I was thinking of, like
Seth/Tyberos
Sanguinary Guard/Honour Guard/Termy CS
10 Tacticals
10 Death Company/5 Ass Terms
20 Assault
2 Rhinos Each
Or something like that. I liked the idea of a carnage fight off. Each side trying to out do each other. Space Sharks go insane and smash shit while Flesh Tearers temper the rage.
Difficult when they're both different. Trying to think of a points balanced side for each. 750 each. But I want Seth and Tyberos leading them.
Seth wrecks GEQ's with that sword. He does like 6+D3 attacks on charge, but it's only AP4.
>>47295524
You must be a Flamer of Tzeentch cause that was a sick burn.
>>47295493
Because they convert things instead of buying shiny new kits.
>>47295514
True. As I said, contact them and suggest stuff. Only way I can think of fixing the problem.
>>47295454
Except that skitmech troops are fluffed as inhuman tin men, so that argument doesn't really hold up.
Sm players were just assblasted because droppodding admech was more effective, and everyone else was mad cause war convo was too good.
>>47295467
>Tyranids suck
Where does this meme come from?
I play nids and usually win against admech, sm and necron players
My list consists of 3 flyrant and a venomthrope giving shrouded to a living artillery node in ruins though
>>47295540
Then why did they make the new Flash Gitz, Gorkanaught and the flyer?
They're obviously popular, even AoS shit is good and can be used in 40k. Maybe they think Ork players don't give a shit about the rules and are happy to model. Fuck knows.
>>47295531
Just remember that they're Desperate Allies due to Shark Tactics!
>>47295541
They're not going to do anything because the reason this problem exists is they literally just let the devs do what they like.
Until sales fall drastically, they're not going to go "Okay you guys, change the way you do everything, we're going to start hiring actual system devs and playtesters and compartmentalize the rules production". They're making money just by letting the writers do what they like when they like, so there's no reason to change that.
>>47295554
Whenever someone says Tyranids suck, just read it with a little annotation that says 'if you don't spam Flyrants'
Flyrants are great, but a list without them is very low down. Probably not the worst, but still low tier.
>>47295554
What they really mean is X armies suck [if you don't use their one good build/spam their one good unit].
Try again without Flyrants and see how well you do against Necron Decurion, non-FAQ War Convocation AdMech, and Gravstar psychic Space Marines/Battle Company.
Protip: You'll be raped even with Flyrants unless your opponents are retarded.
>>47295564
That's 6th edition, thus 7th edition overrides that rule, making them Battle Brothers :^)
Same shit with Red Hunters being Battle Brothers with SoB, GK and Inquisition. That's old.
I suspect an update whenever FW get round to merging Badab War.
But they're too busy making Chapter Master Culln of the Red Scorpions into a unique Dread.
>>47295575
That's the thing. I think they ARE looking into rule shit. That's why FAQ is being drafted.
But, as I said, if you at least give them information, it could result in change. But part of me thinks that if Nids, CSM and Orks got a Top Tier codex they would moan anyway or, hate not being able to moan.
>>47295652
>thus 7th edition overrides that rule, making them Battle Brothers :^)
Codex always overrides main rulebook.
>>47295584
Isn't the Venomthrope formation in Shield of Baal pretty neat? Same with Neurothrope?
>>47295661
The only good formation is Skyblight and Living Artillery. And I don't even know if they're good anymore.
Venomthrope formation was never good, ever, even when Tyranids weren't as shitty as they are now or had to compete with new OP shit like 7E Tau, 7E Eldar, AdMech, 7E C:SM, Knights, psychic phase, etc.
>>47295660
It isn't a codex. It's a .pdf on Forge World.
an annoying co worker found out I play with plastic army men and now he keeps insisting I show him pictures of my miniatures.
Is he plotting to spread it throughout the office and make fun of me? Regardless, if I give him a picture I had better take one that will not turn up in a reverse image search... don't want to lead him to the rest of my models.
He's pretty much as normie as it gets and goes on every day about how great UFC is and how only nerds wouldn't find it interesting.
>>47295514
Because very few people would buy Eldar kits if they werent so powerful on the tabletop.
Tau get awesome and powerful rules (and BL plot armor) because those giant mecha kits are a goldmine, and they are riding that gravy train hard.
I think theyve finally reached a point where there are as many people fed up with the bullshit as there are people willing to continue supporting this game.
How many Stormbirds do chapters have? The books mention how many Thunderhawks an army has, but nothing else (that size). Example, BA have 36 Thunderhawk Gunships and 3 Thunderhawk Transporters. But nothing on Stormbirds or Fire Raptors.
Unless Stormbirds don't exist in 40k? If not, Fire Raptors? Aren't they bigger than Storm Ravens?
For Tau
>Fire Warriors
A
>Breachers
B+
>Kroot
C+
>Crisis Suits
A
>Stealth Suits
B
>Riptide
A+
>Hammerhead
A-
>Sniper Drones
C+
>Skyray
B+
>XV88
B
>Vespid
B-
>Pathfinders
B
>Devilfish
B
>Piranhas
C+
>Stormsurge
A++
>>47295705
dont be such a fucking frogposter, people arent out to shit on you like its high school you stupid faggot
if he's interested, show him a few pictures
>>47295707
There is 35 unique IP's in this thread. Even if every single person in this thread was 'fed up with the bullshit', it wouldn't be a dent.
But, even if you buy from recasters, the fact you're playing the game is advertisment. If you're truly fed up with 40k, quit playing. It really is that simple. Infinity or Warmahordes have fun models (I like Warmahordes stuff and like T&A Infinity).
Just quit, come back if it gets better. You just get bitter and nothing is fun. Take a break.
Or not, whatever.
>>47295705
Being ashamed of table top games ended 10 years ago.
>>47295707
>GW IS GOING BANKRUPT. THE FANS ARE FINALLY FED UP! THIS IS FINALLY IT.
t. Weekly shit poster since time immoral.
>>47295705
I'm 6ft 4", not fat, no neckbeard and I like girls. I also like 40k.
Surprisingly, people can be interested in things.
Have you ever thought he is 'normie' because he's worried about being ostracised for playing with army men? Have you ever thought he might want to join in and have a FRIEND to play with? Have you ever thought he has never had the courage to go into GW or a FLGS and start modelling cause he's embarrassed or doesn't want to get swindled or some shit?
Just show him a fucking picture, if he likes it, then ask him if he wants to do a box of models with you to see if he likes it, do it on your work break. If he goes "Nah" just go "Okay, that's cool, if you change you mind, just ask".
If he spreads it round, call him out on it and ask why he did it. If he calls you a nerd or some shit, just dismiss him, walk away and never interact with him again, or if you're vindictive or really annoyed, report him for insulting you.
SJW world we live in works both ways.
Jesus Christ anon, you're the stereotype that stops people getting into modelling. The fact X-Wing is doing well shows it's becoming more 'acceptable'.
>>47295797
>But, even if you buy from recasters, the fact you're playing the game is advertisment. If you're truly fed up with 40k, quit playing. It really is that simple.
Ugh, finally someone else smart enough to realize this concept.
>>47293863
>Failing Grades Edition
>Chaos Lord
B-
>Sorcerer
B
>Warpsmith
D+
>Dark Apostle
D+
>Daemonprince
B+
>Chosen
D+
>Mutilators
See me after class
>Helbrute
D
>Chaos Terminators
C+
>Thousand Sons
F
>Khorne Berserkers
D-
>Plague Marines
C
>Noise Marines
C+
>Possessed
D
>Chaos Space Marines
C
>Cultists
B
>Raptors
C-
>Warp Talons
D
>Heldrake
A-
>Chaos Bikers
B+
>Spawn
B+
>Defiler
D-
>Maulerfiend
B-
>Forgefiend
B+
>Predator
B
>Vindicator
C
>Land Raider
C-
>Overall grade
C-
Get your shit together Abby you used to be at the top of the class now you only barely pass
>>47295775
Don't know if Stormbirds exist in 40k. Fire Raptors are very, very rare. So rare that you can only use one per army, and if you want to use more, you need the head honcho of your relics on the battlefield. Only the richest of the rich chapters like Minotaurs who have unlimited gear can swagger around with multiple Fire Hawks.
Fire Raptors are larger than Stormravens. They are Storm Eagle variants, not Stormraven variants.
I just had a thought guys.
Remember when Lord of the Rings came out and GW made a line of minis and a really really awesome game to go with it? Like their most balanced game system? Do you remember New Line Cinema fucking them over going "We want them sub-28mm so people don't get confused" so all the awesome minis didn't sell that great?
What if Games Workshop makes models for the Warcraft film like they did for LOTR and release a new game system for it as well?
>>47295775
Space Marines get Mantas now?
>>47295687
The PDF is an update of Imperial Armour 10. And it STILL overrides the 7E main rulebook, you pedantic autist.
>>47295880
>>47295843
>The fact X-Wing is doing well shows it's becoming more 'acceptable'.
X-Wing doesn't count, because Star Wars and Star Trek are normal now. Same reason weeaboo card games with sluts in panties on the cards aren't as socially acceptable as M:tG.
>>47295894
>IRL book of grudges
Found the dwarf.
>>47295863
I have no idea why the 2nd best Vendicator variant is a C.
>>47295864
No, Stormbirds don't really exist in 40k at this time. Although presumably Forgeworld might make a re-release someday of Imperial Armour 2 that would include rules for using the Sokar Stormbird in 40k.
>>47295880
It's only in 30k, and as a Lord of War choice for Legio Astartes. It's all fun and games until you realize the Sokar sports 6 Nuclear Missiles and 2 Void Shields as it's primary armament.
>>47295843
>>47295798
>>47295790
in the past he has berated my choice of hobbies at every opportunity why would he show interest now?
today he sent me a link to a documentary of some autistic guy who spent ten years building a 1/5th scale historical diorama and then asked if I had autism
>>47295880
It's a thunderhawk, you fuckwhistle.
>>47295919
no, its a sokaar pattern stormbird and a thunderhawk you shit-blender
>>47295919
The plane on the right is not a Thunderhawk. The plane on the Left is a Thunderhawk
That plane on the right is a Sokar Stormbird, which was the Great-crusade era predecessor to the Thunderhawk.
>>47295864
Oh I know it was a variant on Storm Eagles and not Storm Raven, but I wasn't sure if they existed.
Where do these rules appear in? I remember reading about the relic shit, but I dunno what book it is in.
If only one is available (or maybe they're too valuable to use more than one?) then that's OK. I assume the same for Storm Eagle.
Also I love Moloc, but I find them a bit dodgy to like. It's annoying they get all the good gear.
Blood Angels only have the most Land Raiders. DA have most Termy suits.
>>47295510
>My imperial super friends aren't so super anymore
>plz kill me, i cri evritime
>>47295911
the vindicator in general is just kind of a problem unit and it is really easy to mitigate the threat or avoid it entirely
but it still is very destructive and has very good front armor, so it passes. Might not excel, but it passes.
>>47295916
Then report him for harassment, this sounds like
>Things That Never Happened: The Post
but whatever, report him to your boss.
>>47295863
forgot
>Havocs
B+
Could be a solid A if they could be given gravguns and/or gravcannons
>>47295916
Are you a fucking woman?
It's called banter. Find something, anything to make fun of him for. It's back and forth, you're making yourself a victim by not striking back. Maybe you are autistic.
>>47295785
>Kroot, sniper drones, piranhas C+
>Hammer head better than sky ray
>Missile-on-missile-on-missile broadsides B
F-, see me after the class.
Destroyer Array Vindicator; better or worse than the Demolisher cannon one?
I say it is worse if you want to mulch troops and S10 AP2 will do in most transports.
>>47295915
>Guy who wasn't a cunt about an Imperial flyer being compared to an infamous Tau model
>>47295863
Zombies: B+/A-
Be'lakor: A
Unfortunately you can't just spam zombies and call it a day as they don't do anything offensive wise and you sacrifice an HQ slot for the mediocre Typhus.
>>47295993
completely different purpose
the demolisher exists to pound heavy infantry into the dust and do the occasional anti-infantry work.
the laser destroyer is the 40k equivalent of a STUG, it wants to stay immobile so it can fire all 3 shots and hopefully kill whatever it fires at in one go
>>47295982
Kroot are a fine unit on their own, they just don't work well with others
B+ on their homework and tests
but on group projects they do almost nothing
>>47295916
>>47295974
No, no, no. What you do is go to an MMA gym, learn to fight, and beat his ass with the martial arts he's so fond of. Then, when the inmates ask you what you're in for, you can say "I killed this fool for making fun of my dolls."
>>47295993
It's a Rapier Battery combined into a single unit. Ordnance 3 Twin-linked, S9 AP1 Pseudo-Gets-Hot. While it is an unholy rape-machine against vehicles, you're better off taking an actual battery of 3 Rapiers with Laser Destroyers..
For reference, Laser Destroyer Rapiers have Ordnance 1 S9 AP1 Twin-Linked. But a battery of 3 of them has the advantage of Chapter Tactics, 6 goons enjoying toughness 7 3+, with actual ability to take cover saves, and presumably a librarian rolling up either Shrouded or Endurance to give them a 4+ feel no pain on T7 with Relentless.
>>47295982
The Hammerhead Ion Cannon is underrated and far better than the Memeray.
Broadsides are good but and S7 is good but AP4 isn't something to write home about.
Kroot are an excuse to make point elsewhere, other than being a human wave they're unimpressive. Sniper drones are the best snipers in the game, too bad snipers arent versatile at all, Piranhas are just AV11 walls.
>>47295785
FW: B+
Breachers: C-
Kroot: A
Crisis Suits: A+
Stealth Suits: B-
Riptide: A
Hammerhead: B+
Sniper Drones: Lol
Skyray: B+
Broadside: A-
Vespid: B-
Pathfinders: C
Devilfish: C-
Piranhas: B+
Stormsurge: S
Piranhas and Kroot are good units. They just aren't netlist top picks. Piranhas have a recycling drone formation now and were always a good cheap source of drones and a cheap way to get 3 fast skimmers that can completely blockade and immobilize/prevent disembarks of transports. Kroot are a mandatory one of squad for sniper access, cheap disposable bodies, and cheap Infiltrate that can re-roll outflank with a 5 point hound or off a suit's Positional Relay.
Just imagine being able to call in a load of Kroot from any Riptide or XV8 that's in danger, on any board edge.
Tau also have some great FW units.
>>47296027
Seems neat. I just liked the model. Thanks.
>>47296010
Model seemed neat, was just wondering.
>>47295992
The guy is whimpering liek a faggot so I told him to go fucking do that if he's so pissed off. Jesus fuck anon.
>cuck
Oh, another underage shitposter who only learnt the world 2 years ago on 4chan.
>>47296027
>It's a Rapier Battery combined into a single unit.
It's better to have three artillery units than one Vindicator chassis. The real reason you take this unit is because it's THE MOST FUCKING BADASS LOOKING TANK IN THE GAME
>>47295510
>webway portal crossing raider with Dflamers was totally balanced guys
I for one I'm thankful for this changes.
>>47296021
I told him I took a beginner's aikido course in college for PE credit and he made fun of me because "it isn't a real martian art" and showed me some video of some mma guy punching "an aikido master."
When I was in school I needed two PE classes to graduate and that course had space. I told him I didn't really care and he insisted I was upset because I "got rekt"
The culture are the office is really rough on things that don't fit the norm. A guy from another team wore a settlers of catan tshirt sometimes and was made fun of for it until he transferred to another department.
Once a different co-worker was reading an article about image upscaling algorithms and came across waifu2x. He asked me if I knew why it was called that and I was genuinely afraid to tell him.
>>47296054
>2 years ago
Damn has it been that long? Two straight years of cuck spam?Still better than sperg and autist
>>47295863
>Termies C+
better than average huh
>Possessed D
you could make an argument for F
>Sorcerer B
Id say point for point this is the 2nd best unit in the book, solid A
>Cultists B
C at best. Think about some of the other armies' cheap troops options.
>Heldrake A-
Not even close.
>Spawn B+
Id say A, best option in the book.
>Dinobots B
vehicle damage table. 3 HP, BS 3, and so much more.
>Predator B
Really.
>>47296133
Termies should be below C. They're slightly better than loyalist shooting terminators but way below shield terminators, and terminators in general are pretty shit at 35 ppw for T4.
>>47296118
I think so, something like that anyway. It's like the kid learning a new swear word in 3rd grade and they can't stop saying it.
>>47296104
This sounds like things that never happened.
>>47296133
>Think about some of the other armies' cheap troops options.
Like what, moron. The only cheaper units in the game are like Conscripts and Grots. They do their job, which is save you points, fill mandatory taxes, and accept an IC that makes them not retarded leadership, thus making them plentiful and inexpensive wounds WITH Objective Secured.
>>47296118
>Still better than sperg and autistdont forget edgy/edgelord/edge
>>47296053
That recycling Drone formation is nice to complain about in /tg/ but traditional Tau tactics yield far better results. They're nice to grab objectives, but when did Tau having issues doing that. It's fun but it's not something I'm taking to a tournament.
You're underrating Fire Warriors and Breachers. Throw Breachers and an Ethereal on a Devilfish and you'll unhinge anything but T8+ from an objective. Fire Warriors are arguably the best troop choices in the game with Guardians and Warriors competing for it.
Kroot are OK. They're cheap snipers, but throughout most games I've played I'd rather have a pulse rifle than a sniper rifle in a vast majority of situations. Outside of their sniper role they're not doing much.
Most of the time if my XV8s or Riptide is in trouble some Kroot aren't saving their ass. The few time they are in trouble.
>>47296169
Shutup, you Mary Sue.
>>47296175
Isn't there some rule in the Tau codex that prevents squads consisting only of Drones from scoring?
I might be remembering wrong, but that would put a damper on the endless drone wave for anything other than novelty.
>>47296175
>You're underrating Fire Warriors and Breachers
Stormsurge Ripwing build has zero FW and Breachers. XV8 are usually the troop of choice. FW are nice for a tax unit, but they aren't A. You wouldn't take an army with 72 Fire Warriors.
>>47296175
>Kroot are OK. They're cheap snipers, but throughout most games I've played I'd rather have a pulse rifle than a sniper rifle in a vast majority of situations. Outside of their sniper role they're not doing much.
>infiltrate/outflank
>not doing much
>Most of the time if my XV8s or Riptide is in trouble some Kroot aren't saving their ass. The few time they are in trouble.
>being able to summon bubblewrap/impassable terrain on demand
>not saving Riptides from melee
I think you're just a shit Tau player.
>>47296104
>did a presentation of warhammer 40k in front of my college class full of mostly jocks.
>Even the old ass professor was interested.
>there are full grown ass men afraid of office banter and transfer for it.
I guess it's super easy to be the alpha of an office these days.
>>47296204
Most tau players are shit because the codex is just so strong you don't need to be good
>>47296195
My 500 point Crisis Commander + FW is neat cause of the Turrets.
>>47296208
My mates used to take the piss out of me for playing computer games all the time at school. I just went with it or called them dicks or something.
>>47296204
OK what do Kroot actually do when they infiltrate or out flank? What amazing stories do you have of your Kroot's accomplishments other than pissing off the random MC.
How the fuck did you let your XV8, much less your goddamn Riptide get into fucking melee combat? What the fuck are you doing bro? Even when I run Farsight Enclave and mass deep strike I haven't gotten my Riptide or XV8s into combat.
Maybe we play in a different meta but I've never yearned for bubble wrap or melee saviors.
>>47296208
alpha is just a meme and has nothing to do with it.
In the real world you need to do your job so you can get paid an pay your rent. If something is interfering with your ability to do your job, you have to find away to either get away from it or deal with it, especially if others are dependent or codependent on your income.
>>47296168
>Like what moron
Was that necessary?
Idk, I think Id take Scouts with camo and bolters for 65 points over melee cultists for 50 points. I agree they are the best troops choice, but that doesnt make them good. Giving them autoguns brings them to 60 points.
There are a few others that are better than Cultists as well. But I wont spoil the surprise for you.
>>47296133
>>47296150
3 man terminators with combiweapons can deepstrike in and do their one job
they aren't the greatest at it, but it passes I guess
>>47296208
Same boat as you
> Show up to a speech class for freeform speech
> Pic related, it gets put up on the projector
> Give a speech about 40k to a whole bunch of feminists
> Ended up teaching a classroom of 30 people that "Apparently 40k isn't just a video game"
I guess this also makes me an alpha
>>47296294
Scatter dice though. CSM have no way of mitigating scatter. And rolling on that table is all bad.
>>47296241
No you don't call them dicks, you tell them they're fucking poor and they should tell their dad to work harder instead of sitting on his lazy ass.
This is most likely not true, but their defense will just roll into continuous banter.
>>47296269
>2016
>having dependents
Oh boy.
Anyways how would banter get in the way of your job? Does it keep people up at night trying to find a good comeback?
I've finally decided that I'm grabbing a morghast kit as a Void Dragon C'tan shard but I'd like to ask before I work on it what some good ways of making it more C'tan-y would be. Also, should I make it more Harbringer or Archai like?
>>47296264
Yeah, you're really shit at this game.
>hur if a unit isn't a firepower unit it's useless
>fast sturdy units like invisible deathstars and TWC/Wraiths/Knights don't exist
You're just shit at the game. You probably don't even know basic maneuvers like screening charges or buying game turns by sacrificing units.
>Maybe we play in a different meta but I've never yearned for bubble wrap or melee saviors.
Because you and your opponents are shit. They lose to Fire Warriors.
>>47296276
>5 wounds are better than 10
You're stupid.
>>47296319
>Anyways how would banter get in the way of your job? Does it keep people up at night trying to find a good comeback?
just banter can be ignored, but sometimes it goes further. Once I came into work to find a bunch of stuff from my desk missing and a picture of a goat taped to my display. My stuff turned up eventually, but if it hadn't that would have become really ugly.
So now I don't keep anything important in my desk and I take my keyboard (it is my own keyboard, not the company's) home every day.
>>47296365
>Five wounds with a +4 save, +1T and weapons worth mentioning are worse than 10 with no save and T3
u wot
>>47296317
isn't there the dimensional key relic?
not that it is any good, but it is there
>>47296365
More like 4 vs. 10. He's comparing 50 points to 65. No one buys camo cloaks on scouts these days anyway since scouts are just tactical marine tax replacements to save 3 points.
>>47296373
Why are you buying camo cloaks if you're using their 4+ armor save. Stand the cultists in a ruin and they automatically have 4+ cover. You can even just give them Mark of Nurgle. Quit being a fucking retard.
>>47296395
in some ways scouts seem better than tacticals since they are less points and battlecannon/riptide pie plates kill them all the same, also slightly better defense against grav.
>>47296373
>11-13 points per wound is better than 4 points per wound post squad taxes
LEARN. TO. PLAY.
>>47296429
They are better than tacticals. The only time you take tacticals is battle company taxes. Otherwise its scouts for point savings and dumping into librarians/centurions and other stuff, or you're taking troop bikes.
This is assuming min/max play. Most things are viable in casual play.
>>47295112
It's almost like FAQs are meant to supercede and clarify BRB rules.
Wierd huh?
>>47296445
I've heard tacticals get better if you combat squad the weapons, which they have better access than scouts to, but I don't know if that is enough to offset the extra cost. I don't actually play space marines.
>>47296371
I would have laughed.
Then I would have cranked down everyone's nic down to an Internet speed where doing general shit was fine but it would be impossible to watch a video or stream music.
As long as nothing was damaged and no one was hurt, there's nothing shockingly wrong or disrupting. There's a lot of shit they could of done, but a goat picture and moving your shit isn't something to think about at night.
>>47296104
holy shit you sound like the kind of faggots I used to pick on at work for not being able to handle the banter.
And I'm a fucking lawyer in australia and use my (meagre) lawbucks to pursue my nerdy hobbies so I know my shit.
>>47295558
The new kits are heavily priced to make sure the ones that do buy from GW are milked until they bleed.
Because the best way to fix failing sales is to charge buyers enough to cover the ones that don't buy.
>>47296365
I play CSM and Blood Angels. I use Scouts and Cultists for the same role - backfield obj camping. Scouts are better and its not really even close. Thats just my experience though, yours may be different.
Try not insulting people when you reply to them, it makes you look bad.
>>47295130
If that's how you interpret the grenade rules then you're too dumb to offer commentary on the FAQ.
>>47296492
>I used to pick on at work for not being able to handle the banter.
why
people are only there to do their work and go home
leave them alone
>>47296104
He was right, it's for fleshlovers.
Now technomancy, *that's* a martian art.
>>47296513
because if you're a faggot who can't handle the banter chances are you're a boring douche-canoe who sits around being mopey all day who no one wants to be around because you're like a blackhole sucking in all happiness.
get over yourself you neckbeard, reeee
>>47296492
>Lawyer
Oh, now you being a socially maladjusted cockbite makes sense.
>>47296352
Seriously if you're shitting your pants because there are TWC, Wraith Knights or Knights with the tools the Tau have then you really just need to stop posting.
Pro tip: usually those death star runners and super heavy/GC are shit at actually playing the game and the objective. They run their death star around like a retard wielding a stick, kill some shit and then get BTFO in points by games.
>>47296371
Good thing you didn't go blue collar, you'd be dead by day 2.
>>47296434
If you take 4 times as many wounds from common weapons, nothing is saved.
>>47296540
>Lighten up Francis.
>>47296542
pic related: its you
>>47296550
Fuck man, I'm gonna miss this shit. White collar looks boring as fuck.
What are the rules on two-handed melee weapons? Can I have a character with a two-handed melee weapon and a two-handed ranged weapon, like an Eviscerator and a Space Marine Shotgun?
>>47295775
Stormbirds, storm eagles and fire raptors are all very rare in 40K.
Yes, fire raptors are much bigger than storm ravens.
>>47296573
I know, I used to think i was meant for pure office work, I really tried but making things work beats writing reports on why they don't.
>>47296573
of course it is boring. it is work. that is why you are paid to do it
>>47296576
yes
>>47296576
Yes.
>>47296599
Maybe unfulfilling is a better term.
>>47295916
So whenever he talks about mma pretend to confuse it with wwe. I mean it's all the same thing, right?
>>47296599
Blue collar work isn't boring. So that's a logical fallacy.
>>47296598
Especially with all this "open office" bullshit. It's the worst of both worlds, no privacy but a Solano socialization.
>>47295940
Imperial armour 2, second edition.
>>47296264
>What amazing stories do you have of your Kroot's accomplishments other than pissing off the random MC.
Aww yiss, kroot warstories time:
>Group of 15 kroot snipers infiltrated enemy backline, shot at enemy dreadknight causing 3 wounds. Dreadknight tried to assault them and died to overwatch
>2x10 Kroot snipers outflank two enemy havoc teams, proceeds to wipe them in 2 shooting phases
>1x10 Vanilla kroots outflanks into two enemy farseers and wipes them in 1 turn.
>Have gotten me linebreaker more times than I can remember
>1x10 Infiltrated close with 4 man stealth team and glanced out 2 wyverns on first turn, proceeded to slaughter infantry squads.
>Several occasions of holding 2 turns in melee when ethereal was close by to give stubborn and ld10
>Several occasions of nigging the relic on first turn infiltrate and passed it into my gunline, forcing the enemy to play on my terms.
>Scores of times they have bubblewrapped important units against deep strikes, outflanks etc.
>Scores of times they have denied enemy charges on bigger units.
>Have cucked enemy infiltrators from the dawn of time.
>Back in the 6th edition they were crucial part on taking out several wraithknights on several games
>Back in the 4th&5th edition kroots have ambushed several tanks, killing/crippling them in melee
Seriously, kroots have decent damage output with just rifles. Taking sniper rounds just makes them that much better. And if you don't see the value of a 6ppm infiltrating model, then something is horribly wrong with you.
>>47296613
>Maybe unfulfilling is a better term.
could anything corporate ever be fulfilling? corprorate culture seems to make everyone miserable.
>>47296650
My 10 Kroot stared at 4 Marines beating the shit out of my Stealth Suits until they slaughtered the Suits and then 1 Marine held up 8 for 4 turns.
Maybe I'm just bitter. I never say they're bad but they haven't done much for me.
I don't understand
>>47296623
Or ask him if the there's a reason he likes watching sweaty topless guys so much. Promise not to judge him if he wants to tell you something.
It's okay, the Greeks were into that too...
>>47296681
Wraithknights have a living pilot to help operate it
>>47296681
Need to be better than imperial kngihts.
>>47296675
Kroots in 7th edition 101:
>Not a melee unit, don't fall for this meme.
>Deny area and movement, be annoying and force the enemy to commit to them, giving more time for your other units.
>Hunker down on forests/ruins or just kite as long as you can, 24'' weapon range and move through cover helps.
>>47293863
GRADES EDITION-CANT BEAR TO DO TYRANIDS AS WELL SUB-EDITION
GREY KNIGHTS
>Grand Master
B
>Brother Captain
B-
>Librarian
A
>Brotherhood Champion
D
>Techmarine
D
>Crowe
D
>Stern
D
>Paladins
B-
>Purifiers
B+
>Dreadnought
D-
>FW GK Dreadnought
C
>Terminators
B
>Strike Squad
F
>Interceptors
B
>Stormraven
C
>Razorback
C-
>Vortimer Razorback
C
>Rhino
B
>Purgation Squad
B-
>Nemesis Dreadknight
S
>Landraiders (VANILLA VARIETIES ONLY)
C
>Landraider Vortimer Redeemer
B-
>Draigo
A
INQUISITION
>Karamazov
C
>Coteaz
A+
>Malleus
B+
>Hereticus
C
>Xenos
B
>Acolyte
B+
>Psyker
A
>Crusader/DCA
B-
>Daemonhost
C
>Arco-Flagellant
>Mystic
C-
>Priest
B+
>Monkey
B
>Servitor
A
>Land Raiders-all varieties
C-
>Chimera
B+
>Valkyrie
B+
>Rhino
B
>Razorback
C+
>>47293863
Any links to the Horus Heresy audiobooks?
>inb4 poorfag
>>47296741
I'm not gonna call you a poor fag.
You're just a fag.
Look up.
>>47296770
>You're just a fag.
this is 4chan so that goes without saying
>>47296681
Heres another
Guard<Lord<Knight
Seriously, GWus must be to blame.
Only Month/Day/Year
>>47295066
>if they win they are tactical geniuses
>if they lose it's the books fault
But that's exactly how it works when your codex is shit, you stupid fuckface.
Play a low tier codex against the faggotry that's available nowadays and tell me how much of a fucking genius you feel like when you finally win.
>inb4 you tell me some shit how you main sisters with no allies or kroot heavy tau lists or whatever bullshit you're going to post
>don't bother, i won't read it
>>47295231
>I spent money on being a massive faggot, so invalidating it is unfair
Kill yourself
>>47296264
I have played nids since 3rd but recently got into tau.0
They outflanked and took out an opposing wraithknight before it wrecked my shit.
No statistical basis for this since i literaly only played them once but it was pretty awesome.
Tried out Wulfen for the first time in a game, a fucking hilarious unit against close combat focused armies. It's like a grenade, anything that touches it is not coming out unscathed. I don't care if the Emperor himself charges the unit, he's getting hit by at least 8 S10 AP2 and 8 S7 AP2 attacks whether he likes it or not.
>>47296458
Actually they are just supposed to clarify, not contradict.
If they want to change a rule, they should call it an errata, so people know gw is admitting they were wrong.
![giphy[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/hgu5UWC.gif "giphy[1].gif")
>>47296825
>those dice
>>47296826
This is why the Emperor make them that way, he made them stupidly loyal and extra killy to deal with rouge legionaries, I mean, not even the world eaters can pull that shit and they're always mad.
>>47296734
Servitor above monkeys? Monkeys get an invuln, buffs, no mindlock and choose their weapons each turn. They should be equal (since those benefits come for 15 points).
And Razorback should be a B+ easily. It's only 5 more points than a rhino. Way better than any other codex that can take it. Plus, it can get psybolt rounds for insta-deathing anything T3.
>>47296879
yeah, they are awful to read. We are just using them a wound markers nowadays
>>47296825
>statue of an ork player against any non-shit tier codex
kek
>>47295103
I have that mini.
Tell me, is it actually skull taker or is it a reaper mini like my friend says.
>>47296734
>>Land Raiders-all varieties
>C-
>>Razorback
>C+
>>47296458
What? No, you retard.
Frequently Asked Question documents are supposed to answer questions about how the rules work, not change them.
If rules are genuinely unclear or if they need to be changed then they should actually be changed which is what errata are for.
>>47297006
Oh hush you, Land Raider Excelsior is better than C- (As long as you dont encounter grav, D or haywire)
>>47296790
Sisters aren't that bad. Melta is always good AT stuff and SoB aren't too expensive to make it unusable. Flamers are great even against MEQ's and what do Sisters get a lot of?
But best of all? D6 S8 AP1 Melta missiles a turn. Three of those means I'm dropping 3D6 of those on you a turn. Doesn't matter what you are, you're going to die eventually.
Against top tier? Nah. Against Nids/Orks/CSM I think I'd do quite well. Repressors are also underrated. They're slightly more expensive than a Chimera, but have +1 FAV. They have Flamer and Stormbolter for damage, which isn't great, but they do have 8 fire ports. Meaning you can bunker in it if you need.
>>47297028
I was mocking his rating. Inquisition Crusader with Psybolts is going to dish out decent amounts of dakka. Redeemers become tastier with Psyflame.
Isn't Excelsior the Reserve Jammer/Buffer Warhammer World exclusive?
>>47297028
>Land Raider Excelsior is better than C- (As long as you dont encounter grav, D or haywire)
So it's a C- then.
>but it's good against scrub players and shit codexes
So is everything else.
>>47296829
>>47297025
Here we have the scum of our game. They exist to wallow in negativity and never ever going to admit that GW can do anything but bad.
Watch but do not emulate. They are a net negative to our hobby.
>>47296665
Only if you work for a shit company. Some are great.
>>47296513
Group dynamics are something you have to learn to deal with when you aren't on your own.
>>47297028
>Land Raider Excelsior
>400pts for 4HP
>not a Superheavy profile
overpriced trash
>>47296729
>Play a Chaos knight
>Charge in with Fiends of Slaanesh
I realize for points it's no contest but it's sooo fun to see the elftard players face when he strikes at I1
>>47297100
also comes with a primaris rhino you dong
>>47297051
Calling you a retard for not understanding the difference between a FAQ and an errata has nothing to do with what I think about GW.
>>47297114
ok, that's kinda cool then. didnt really notice that in the rules
40k is a complete boys' club.
GW is literally missing on 50% of their potential customers.
What should be done to make 40k more attractive for women?
>>47295669
>try explaining the apoc version of endless swarm to SM players mid game
>"wow thats dumb, that's so OP"
>they're physically upset because they can't target my swarms with pie plates
>meanwhile i have no way to take care of their warhounds
why does everything have to be shit
>>47297115
I'm not the same anon, I'm just disappointed people are trying to be negative about a positive change.
>>47297134
Fuck off. If women like 40k, they do, if they don't they don't.
Tumblr is the place for gender panderers like yourself. Don't bring the same shame Dungeons and Dragons got to this hobby.
>>47297134
Right, unlike all of those other wargames that have loads of female players.
Given that females don't seem to especially like books, video games or tabletop games where warfare is the central theme I think that the best way to make it female friendly would be to change 40K to a time when there is only dating and gossip.
Sex in the hive city.
