Today's big moves:
>Samuel Umtiti [Lyon - Barcelona] £21m
>Vincent Janssen [AZ Alkmaar - Tottenham] £17m
>Tyler Reid [Manchester United - Swansea] Undisclosed
>Ashley Fletcher [Manchester United - West Ham United] Free
>Nick Powell [Unattached - Wigan] Free
>Colin Doyle [Blackpool - Bradford] £1
and finally
>Brendan Rodgers [Celtic - Jobcentre] Annual salary of a Gibraltarian policeman
>>69511603
Messi spotted at the Stadium of Light according to various sources.
>>69511641
He's on his way to join the prison team Adam 'The Naughty Nonce' Johnson set up
>Lucas Digne [PSG - Barcelona] 16m€
>>69511603
Fucking Brendan.
He is a talented manager, but the arrrogant shit he says combined with classic fuck ups like today makes him a complete laughing stock. If he was just a humble, hard working guy, people would have some pity.
Time to break out Brendan quotes.
PSG offered €32M for Antonio Valencia, the United winger/RB? That is unexpected.
Bebé to Eibar
Please tell me Celtic are still linked with Kolo Touré or some other decent CB. I can't handle another night like tonight.
>>69511681
>>69511709
Messi to Sporting Kansas City
Wayne Rooney to Barcelona
>>69511709
any source
>>69511739
Not sure about CB but at least it looks like you'll be getting Scott Sinclair
>England defender John Stones, 22, has told Everton he wants to join Manchester City. (Liverpool Echo)
Striker Wilfried Bony, 27, is set to leave Manchester City, with Galatasaray offering a £3m loan spell in Turkey. (Sun)
>Manchester City target Leroy Sane has not told Schalke he wants to leave, with new City boss Pep Guardiola prepared to spend £40m on the 20-year-old German midfielder. (Daily Star)
Manchester United boss Jose Mourinho is ready to sign Spain midfielder Cesc Fabregas, 29, who played under him at Chelsea. (Daily Mirror)
>United boss Mourinho will turn his attention to Newcastle's Moussa Sissoko, 26, should he fail to land Juventus midfielder Paul Pogba. (Le 10 Sport - in French)
United are continuing to monitor 17-year-old West Ham defender Reece Oxford, 17. (Evening Standard)
>Former United player and assistant manager Ryan Giggs, 42, will play in the Indian Premier Futsal League this month. (Daily Mail)
>>69511810
https://twitter.com/Futbol_Mercado/status/752981958871945216
>Sunderland boss Sam Allardyce is increasingly likely to be offered the England manager's job, with Gary Neville - assistant coach under Roy Hodgson - in line for an instant return to the coaching staff. (Daily Mirror)
Allardyce met with officials from the Football Association on Tuesday to discuss succeeding Hodgson. (Daily Mail)
>Arsenal have had a £25m bid for 21-year-old defender Daniele Rugani rejected by Juventus. (Calciomercato - in Italian)
The Gunners are ready to offer 29-year-old French striker Olivier Giroud and £42m for Napoli forward Gonzalo Higuain, 28. (Sun)
>Arsenal and Chelsea are monitoring 25-year-old Roma defender Kostas Manolas.(Corriere Dello Sport - in Italian)
Chelsea fear they will have to pay more than £50m to sign defender Kalidou Koulibaly, 25, from Napoli. (Evening Standard)
>Real Madrid have joined Chelsea in the race for 22-year-old Valencia midfielder Andre Gomes. (Fichajes - in Portuguese)
Madrid have decided not to sell Spain forward Alvaro Morata, 23, to Chelsea. (Daily Mail)
>Liverpool and Tottenham have not been put off by Koln's £25m price tag for 26-year-old defender Jonas Hector. (Bild)
Middlesbrough are interested in signing Chelsea defender Tomas Kalas, 23, this summer, according to his agent.(Daily Express)
>Middlesbrough are hoping to complete a deal for 30-year-old Valencia forward Alvaro Negredo, who spent two seasons at Manchester City. (Guardian)
Leicester and France midfielder N'Golo Kante, 25, deserves to be playing his football for a top club in Europe, says ex-France international Claude Makelele.(Sun)
>Swansea are launching an ambitious bid to sign Leicester striker Leonardo Ulloa, 29, as they prepare for the departures of forwards Andre Ayew and Bafetimbi Gomis. (Daily Telegraph)
Wales forward Hal Robson-Kanu, 27, who is a free agent after leaving Reading at the end of last season, has been offered £100,000 a week to move to the Chinese Super League. (Daily Mirror)
>Moussa Sissoko's representatives have called on Newcastle boss Rafael Benitez to step into their row with the club over the France midfielder's £35m price tag, which they feel is preventing him from leaving the club.(Daily Mirror)
Newcastle are willing to listen to offers starting at £20m for Sissoko, 26, after his impressive performances for France at Euro 2016. (Times - subscription required)
>Marseille will turn their attention to midfielder Carlos Sanchez, 30, after missing out on Aston Villa team-mate Idrissa Gana. (Birmingham Mail)
Real decided to keep Morata. They wanted to sell him again to be able to buy pognigger but morata is too expensive . And pogba didnt perform well at ec while morata had a great tournament.
>>69511815
I want off this wild ride
>>69511871
You'll get there eventually Brendan
>>69511848
looks legit you fucking retard
>cant get pogbert
>sissoko will do no one will even notice
>>69511815
Fabregas, Sissoko are both clickbait. Sissoko is actually linked today with Real, PSG, United, City, and Chelsea, by his idiot agent. Fabregas and Pogba play the same role, don't need both.
Oxford is ok. United have 6 CBs in front of him in line, though.
>>69511946
>>69511709
How can Man U and Chelsea keep getting away with it? Why do retards keep giving them a fortune for shit players.
Fucking £50mil for David Luiz.
>>69511821
>United boss Mourinho will turn his attention to Newcastle's Moussa Sissoko
>>69511946
Just got back from seeing Ab Fab lads.
It was shite.
Samuel WHOmtiti ---> £21m
>>69511991
Would ya?
Ganso to Sevilla almost confirmed?
>>69511960
It has to be bullshit. Valencia is a great athlete, but old and not a great winger or RB.
Unless PSG are playing a game, trying to force United to sell a starter. But United would love to get 32M for him.
>>69512168
>>69511854
>>Liverpool and Tottenham have not been put off by Koln's £25m price tag for 26-year-old defender Jonas Hector. (Bild)
No way in hell would Spurs spend 25 million on a 4th-choice CB
>>69512370
jonas hector is a left back
>>69512387
Have two already
>>69512370
Isn't he a left back? Rose and Davies are fine. I don't think we need him.
>>69512370
>>69512387
>>69512448
If there's anything Spurs don't need it's left/rightbacks
>>69512448
this one is good though
unlike rose and davies
PSG aren't signing Valencia. Absolute bullshit.
>>69512510
Ha. Yeah, whatever mate.
Is digne good
>>69512549
He plays for Roma and he's French
>35m for Sissoko
In what fucking world would this ever happen
This team will get a 4th place finish. Remember my words. Dont even give a fuck if >we finish 5th, would be ok too.
>>69514905
hahaha who the fuck is sane you mong
>>69514905
>sane
>doesn't even know "his" teams own players
You may actually be worse than the flip
Pogba soon lads
Also is Messi, Ronaldo, Bale, Neymar, Suarez, Modric, Lewandowski, Griezmann, Sergio Ramos is close to being done
Trust me, Im white
>>69514905
Sane is going to City
Allen is going to get flogged off on the cheap.
>>69511821
>Giggs
>india
why
>>69515640
>>69516965
>>69517236
>Sane
holy shit Im a retard, I meant Mane
>>69517555
Most Man United fans are Indians lad, Giggsy knows he will be worshipped there
>>69514905
might avoid relegation with that shit tier team
>>69517630
>indian
>posts picture of shiks
>>69514905
>Sturridge surviving an entire season
Better chance of the 2nd coming happening desu
>>69518634
>sikhs aren't from india
>>69518634
>americans
Just read about Celtic losing to a fucking taxi driver
Thank you based Brenny.
>>69511739
>Efe Ambrose is paid to play professional football
>>69512549
Absolute trash. Didnt perform well at PSG did good in AS Roma but I dont think he can beat Jordi Alba as a starter.Will get benched Arda Turan style
Literally who can stop >us?
SOON LA
Ganso to Sevilla. 9,5 million eypos
Did Barca really buy Turan just to get him away from Atletico? lel, you think he'll to some other league now?
>>69519597
fix that defense lmao
>>69519607
Dortmund isn't gonna sign all those players
>>69519655
Nothing wrong with the defense desu
Butland is fantastic
Shawcross is captain and best player
Wollscheid slightly dodgy
Pieters great defender, not so good going forward, Johnson is the opposite.
It's in pretty good shape already, but we are definitely looking for a new starting CB (think we were linked with Subotic) and some fullback competition
>>69519654
Think he will stay, at least one more season.
Gotta love King Brenny
So who will be the next Sunderland manager:
Woy? >moyes? some other cunt?
Any updates on the Witsel to Napoli, no Everton, no Napoli, no Everton situation?
Anto Grgic has moved to Stuttgart.
>>69519607
>arsenal
>la
America please.
>Sky Sports still peddling this "Lucas Moura to Liverpool a possibility?" shit
Allardyce 2 England seems to be happening, was interviewed yesterday
>>69519911
they should make this happen
he's like a good mané
>>69519928
I think it could turn out reasonably well.
>>69519928
couldnt be worse than owl face
at least sam actually embraces the modern aspects of the game (stats, metrics, etc)
>No signings
>Soon no manager
Fuck this shit
>>69520196
It's okay >we'll just have to rebuild once again, 5 seasons in a row.
>>69511603
>Samuel Umtiti [Lyon - Barcelona] £21m
That's an absolute bargain, why can't other clubs do business like this?
>>69520196
Doesn't matter, you were destined to go down this season anyway
Well. At least we'll have an England manager who will take no notice of how the media what him to select players and set the team up.
>>69520280
he's shit
>>69520329
He was France's best defender at the Euros
>>69520196
>>69520221
People are clearly fed up with Pulis at West Brom.
It's time.
http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=bx76t
England under Big Sam
rate, comments, subscribe
>>69520341
jog on
>>69520341
That's not saying much tbf
Rob Dorsett says Kante to Chelsea is "nonsense" at the moment and that he's currently mulling over Leicester's new contract offer
>>69520354
This team would have beaten Iceland.
>>69520290
How? Sam guarantees success.
>>69520354
WC winners 2018 2bh
>>69520354
Chuck Buttland in goal
>>69520376
Sunderlands owners aren't spending enough and there's only so many seasons trash like that can hang on
>>69520354
>442
>out and out wingers
>big target man and fast striker combo
honestly cant wait for the return of this to international football, will be hilarious no matter what
>>69511821
>United are continuing to monitor 17-year-old West Ham defender Reece Oxford, 17. (Evening Standard)
How old is he?
>>69519635
kek
too many injuries. it will be a good season for ganso if he gets to 15 games
>>69520196
Club just released a statement telling the FA to hurry the fuck up
http://safc.com/news/club-news/2016/july/club-comment-sam-allardyce
Sam Allardyce - England manager.
Read those words aloud for it to sink in.
White Hart Lane has started to be demolished. Sad to see a historic stadium go
>mid-table championship/10
Any update on the transfers to Arsenal situation?
>>69520452
Leicester won the league, Iceland knocked England out of a major tournament and Celtic lost to the fucking Lincoln Red Imps. Big Sam as England manager seems fairly unremarkable in comparison to all the other recent stuff.
>>69520475
They've spent over £30m already. Shut the fuck up.
liverpool spent 30m on mané
thoughts?
>>69520504
wew
Have you noticed how much other title contenders are spending?
Hoofballs coming home
>>69520504
That's barely enough to finance a push for promotion in the Championship.
>>69520529
>other
>>69520520
snip in this market
>>69520529
>arsenal
>title contenders
wait people don't think this do they?
>>69520543
The championship is the most competitive league int he world, ladde
>>69520576
>Came 2nd last season
>Not title contenders
>>69520520
das it
>tfw keep getting softbanned on Pokemon GO
>West Ham got Feghouli for free
holy fuck that's a decent signing
>>69520589
>came 2nd
>didnt actually contend for the title
>>69520589
They might have come second thanks to Spurs utter implosion at the end but they were not in the title race.
>>69520617
this. They were barely in the title challenge, Spurs just choked and it ended up making Arsenal look better
>>69520641
>>69520626
Spurs, Arsenal and Leicester on did as well as they did because everyone else fucked up so badly
Leicester won't be relevant next season. The race is wide open.
Arsenal are again spending big, big money, and their squad is better than the dross United and Chelsea are trying to replace.
>>69520656
t. /r/gunners
>>69520656
Oh yeah, who are they going to buy?
>>69520656
>Leicester won't be relevant next season
To be completely fair, Mahrez is world class
He'll have an impact for sure
>>69520656
Leicester are better than Arsenal mate
>>69520674
they'll spend 60m on one of the biggest chokers in football higuain
very fitting
>other transfer rumors: Hamsik, Reus, Benzema
Realistically who can stop us?
>>69520221
Christ knows who we'll get though
People are saying >Moyes, but I don't want our team to become a meme.
>>69520656
t. Claude and the boys
>>69520704
sunderland will never be interesting enough to be a meme
>>69520704
>le sack your manager then stay up every year club
>not a meme
>>69520677
They're going to lose a couple of big hitters, and even if they don't the added strain of CL fixtures on a relatively small squad will tell.
Top half, chance at Europa League would be a magnificent achievement for them.
>>69520702
Barzagli's age
>>69520656
>Arsenal couldn't beat United's B-team
>Arsenal lost to the calamity that was late-2015 Chelsea
>>69520702
realistically who cares about italian football
>>69520722
>>69520723
I just don't want any Sunderland gamethread to become a sea of >Moyes
>>69520722
But >Moyes will always be a meme. Sunderland could be the meme vector that carries him back into our lives, like the rat fleas that spread the plague.
>>69520734
They've signed 4 players and aren't finished. Currently it looks like everyone will be staying. Leicester will be compete time for top 4.
>>69520702
impartial refereeing
>>69520735
that's what Benatia is for
Anyone else really want to see Leicester relegated this season?
>>69520740
don't forget about your coefficient m8
>>69520771
Fewer CL spots would make the league more interesting desu.
>>69520762
Benatia's injuries then, but then you have Rugani I guess
>>69520763
t. traditional top 4
>>69520702
>implying Pogba will be at Juventus next season
>>69520811
in case he does, who cares? he's a talentless hack anyway, right? <:^P
I think this is Liverpool's year. They're buying really well and look like they have real strength in every position.
>>69520771
what about it? italy are still below us because they performed poorly too.
>skrtel fucking off to turkey
tybg
>>69520838
>real strength in every position.
>At least two of Henderson, Allen and Milner will have to start in midfield
>>69520838
said nobody rational ever
>>69519597
Quality team m8
What about Sobhi and this lad from Juve? Get rid of Applepie as he'll be out until post-Christmas with an ACL tear
BMX year 2
Why has nobody made a move for Mahrez?
>>69520900
No one wants to be responsible for killing the Leicester team
>>69520702
https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/753159918455230464
>>69520834
No, he's literally the best player in the world. If he isn't, then why would be spending £100m+ on him?
t. someone who lives a long way away from Manchester
>>69520704
The time to worry about being a meme team has well and truly passed, >we are le sack managers, pay paedophiles and finish 17th team
Looking increasingly like another one of those seasons, middle table mediocrity never. Been a while since we last had a truly horrible season (19 and 15 point-esque)
>>69520922
arsenal were happy to try but we all knew they were cunts
>>69519607
Patricio is not that good lol
Forget about the Euro hype. Good, but not world class imo.
>>69519480
>Absolute trash
>did good in AS Roma
>>69520763
I don't like Leicester and think they're an embarrassment to the league but I do like some of the players and Raneri
So I only want them out if they leave
>>69520900
Probably doesn't have a buyout clause and Leicester don't want to sell
And Leicester increased his wages AND have CL next season so only a few clubs could even attempt to get his interest (City, Arsenal, PSG, Bayern, Real, Barca)
>Pogba rejects Utd
>Utd sign Kroos
>Real use Kroos money to sign Pogba
>>69521029
would have been funnier if he went back to utd and became balotelli
>>69521029
Really struggling to understand why Pogba won't leave Italy
Sure United are shit but City and PSG must have expressed their interest
>>69520373
>believing rob "pearson is definitely sacked" dorsett
Any news on the gf transfer to me situation lads?
>>69521080
He likes being a big fish in a little pond, that's why he left utd in the first place, he hasn't got the mentality to place in a challenging league for a big club and he doesn;t want to have to fight for his place.
>>69521119
I-I-I'll be your gf if you'll have me..
>>69520702
>Reus
He's ded, and even then why would he move to Juventus?
>>69521119
she doesn't want a loser who asks about girlfriends on a thread about football transfers
>>69521119
stalling on the contract talks
she wants a considerably lower buyout clause fee than originally discussed
>Paul Pogba (Juventus-Manchester United) €100m
Keep this /int/ shit out of here please.
>>69521226
We have flags, we're always going to veer into /int/ territory even if I don't like it
Would rather have Pardew as England manager than Alerdyce
Though both are good choices
>>69521286
I'd rather have Hiddink
>>69521286
both are shite choices
>>69521315
I'd rather have an Englishman
>>69521154
that's not how it works Jean Paul
>>69521286
Crystal Palace only had 1 league win in 2016. Pardew is shit.
>>69521354
Both have done great work with poor squads
>>69521378
Just a bad run of form, his good work outweighs that
>>69521391
ah yes forgot they had such long lists of achievements. travelling the country being sacked by mediocre clubs what a career
Any Celtic transfer news?
>>69521391
>bad run of form
>lasted 5 months
In his defence, he went down in flames at Newcastle because he lost his 2 best players, but 1 league win in 2016 is a massive red flag
>>69521378
He just massively overachieved in 2015, if Adebayor is going to add something to your squad, that says something about how poor it really is
>>69521448
Alardyce did well at his last 2 clubs
Pardew did well at his last 2 clubs
Both times exceeding expectations
Can't really ask for more
>>69521450
They are buying some bloke called Lee Casciaro from Lincoln Red Imps who I've never heard of
>>69521475
It doesn't cancel out the 2+ years worth of good work he did prior to that
>thinking about replace woy by either bog sim or pardiola
jesus fuck england
>>69521526
Imagine being English though and watching this happen to your NT
>>69521526
THEY ARE GOOD
Better to have someone who does big things with small clubs than someone who does massive things with big clubs
I'd really like the Chinese would fuck off with their dirty, child labour money.
>>69521570
>>69521486
yeah who wants actual successful managers when you can sign mediocre ones that have been consistently sacked from shit clubs over their career and never won anything
>>69521548
>>69521526
>implying the manager makes any difference when the whole English FA set up is utterly terrible
Looking forward to Fat Sam being in charge desu, at least there's a lot of scope for shitposting when we win games.
>>69521570
reminder pardew didnt get out of league 1 with soton
>>69521586
I'm a City fan but let's be real, it's easier to be "successful" when you're at a big club
>>69521570
>big things with small clubs
avoiding relegation??? Pardew won't finish higher than 12th even with all the money spent
>>69521586
Why would an actual successful manager take the England job?
We're to management what the Chinese league is to players, the money is the only attraction for most candidates and they don't give a fuck about England.
>One year ago today, Leicester City appointed Claudio Ranieri. A lot has happened since then! [BBC Sport]
Time really does fly when it's the year of the memes
>Shaqiri didn't win GotT
What a load of bullshit.
>>69521609
Every managers record is spotty
>>69521622
Yes, avoiding relegation was a huge challenge
>>69521689
How the fuck? Did some faggy 'teamplay goal' win?
>>69520589
>Arsenal
>title contenders
Not since 2006.
>>69521702
No, that's the thing. It was Gera's goal against Portugal. Apparently a bog standard volley from just outside the box is more impressive than a bicycle kick from just inside.
>>69521728
Could be worse, fucking Robson-Kanu won the BBC one
>>69521691
>Every managers record is spotty
Laurent Blanc isn't even a good coach and look at his achievements
>>69521753
eh, Shaqiris was the best but Robson-Kanu was probably number 2, it was a good goal
>>69521759
>ligue 1
Berdaux are a big club in France though
Not a fan of these fluke long range strikes or bicycle kicks desu.
Rather see a team create a goal than a player latch onto a fortunate drop of the ball.
>>69521785
are you mad, Robson-Kanu's was nowhere near Shaqiri's, Modric's or even Naingollan's
>>69521689
Total bullshit.
>>69521788
>fluke
you don't KNOW that
>>69521832
He sent 3 defenders the wrong way, he made that goal all by himself
>muh blooters are better than goals that require great skill
>>69521759
non spekken la franch
>>69521857
1. Shaq
2. Modric
3. Gera
all skill
>>69521788
>>69521857
t. Arsene Wenger
>>69521785
idk winning the title with a pretty bad bordeaux team, before leaving and losing only 4 game with a really SHIT french NT is quite of an achievement
christ who is this monica tripcunt
>>69521936
Some needy cunt from another board I think.
>The Daily Record call The Bhoys 1-0 defeat to part-timers Lincoln Red Imps of Gibraltar in the Champions League their 'worst ever'.
> The Sun calling the result of the Champions League second-qualifying round first-leg a "new low for Scottish football".
meanwhile
>Brendan Rodgers says 'no embarrassment' in defeat
#DeilaIn
>>69521979
desu, they'll probably spank them 6-0 at home
>>69521979
>>69521979
>1-0 defeat to part-timers
>Brendan Rodgers says 'no embarrassment' in defeat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwCXbATP0oU
>>69511680
Confirmed
Barça sign Lucas Digne
some shit lb
>>69517555
I think the >Futsal part is worse
I guess adriano will be leaving soon. I wonder if they'll sign someone for rb or go the full season with srgi roberto and vidal (and douglas?). Quite a change from dani alves
>>69522297
>vidal
what happened to him?
he seemed to vanish for the last 6 weeks or so of the season
>Ellyse is a Hazard fan
I dont think I can deal with this
>>69522338
>Ellyse
literally who?
>>69520702
Marchisio is ded
Barzagli and Chiellini are serially injuried
Higuain/Icardi will not get bought unless Pogba/Bonucci leaves
but yeah >you're walking the league again, congrats
>>69520702
>Juve going full Buyern on SerieA
welp, it's been a fun ride.
>>69522343
perry
>>69522353
>>69522360
Marchisio will be back for the new season right? And is he that injury prone?
>>69522343
Australian international in Soccer/Cricket/Shitposting
>>69520838
They'll be ded at boxing day
Klopp needs to understand that even with christmas break his style demands way to much of the players fitness all season
Also there's a extra cup in english football so either he has a deep squad or plays youngsters on the League cup or they won't stand a chance
>>69522373
Juve has a very injury prone midfield with Marchisio and Khedira, but this year the other competitors will probably be even worse, with Roma losing Pjanic, Napoli possibly losing Higuain (with no other big signings so far) and Inter being, well, Inter.
>>69522322
don't think enrique fancies him much. Played ~900 minutes after missing the first half of the season, not bad, but dani alves was the choice for the serious games
>>69522373
torn ACL at 31 is a death sentence lad
and he won't be back before september/october anyway
>>69522397
>>69522408
Do you rate Pereyra? Hernanes is probably leaving and after looking at their current squad/midfield, it does look pretty crocked with Asamoah, Khedira and Marchisio
42 million and Giroud is way too expensive for Higuain, right?
I mean, Higuain is kind of shit
>>69522499
>42m + giroud = 35m
a good price for higuaín
Middlesbrough sign Valencia right back Antonio Barragan for €3m.
>>69522397
true, but i don't think Roma will get completely killed by Pjanic departure
pic related is a decent squad with some improvements
not good enough to beat Juve, but not terrible either
>>69522476
i really don't
they probably need another midfielder
>>69522597
i think Spal will prefer Strootman further up, in a b2b role to make use of his energy. I guess De Rossi/Paredes as holding mid?
in before >flag and topic
Wolves to sign Telisca and Ivan Cavaleiro
>>69522597
>>69522622
also why not Perotti up front? front 3 of el sha, perotti and salad has a pretty high goal/game ratio.
my mate served jose fonte at the vue a couple months ago
he just won the euros
that's mad
>>69522646
yeah it could work out but that would imply Gerson as a starter
having a real striker would be better imo
as for Strootman, he's the bast playmaker >we have and he's not a real b2b
>>69522499
Why do these rumours ever pop up?
When has a swap deal ever fucking happened? They're not real. They were made up by EA Sports a few years ago to make FIFA's career mode a bit more interesting.
Swap deals don't exist.
>>69522726
ummmmm eto to inter and ibra to barca?????
any updates on the javi martinez to liverpool situation?