-Luis Suarez deserves this year's Ballon d'Or by a hundred miles
-Also he just proved that he is the best striker in the history of football
-France and Belgium are full of overrated shit, especially Griezmann, Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukaku and Martial
-Spain NT is full of shit as well, seriously Nolito, Aduriz, Silva and Juanfran shouldn't even be playing for a NT
-Regardless of how much trophies they won, Argentina's current squad is the second best NT ever (first one is obviously Spain 2010 minus Torres and Ramos)
-Verratti, even though he's still young, is already world class and shits on a hell lot of players
-Umtiti is talented as fuck and will become one of the best defenders in the world
>>69485821
>-Regardless of how much trophies they won, Argentina's current squad is the second best NT ever (first one is obviously Spain 2010 minus Torres and Ramos)
lol just imagine 2002 Brazil vs those cucks
penaldo is going to win it despite doing practically nothing in the CL and euros
>>69485857
>stat padding against China and Costa Rica and having a hard time beating Turkey is supposed to be impressive
>>69485821
seems like we have a french Barca fan here, just imagine being this guy, double the pain, double the horror.
>>69485908
>stat padding against Panama and Bolivia and losing to Chile is supposed to be impressive
>>69485912
>acknowledging Suarez's brilliance means he's biased
Hang yourself useless potato cunt
>choking against portugal is the easiest bracket
LOL
>>69485912
Why ? I've been into Suarez since 2009 m8, he deserved Ballon d'Or 2014 as well and he wasn't even playing for Barcelona at this time
>>69485962
>he deserved Ballon d'Or 2014
no he didn't, the bite and the ban killed his chances. Also his goals against tactically retarded eplel teams are not as impressive as Ronaldo breaking the CL goalscoring record that year.
>>69485945
>acknowledging Suarez's brilliance
he's saying he's the greatest striker of all time, which is just crazy
>Also he just proved that he is the best striker in the history of football
How exactly?
Suarez is a great player but my god is he fucking overrated.
>Calling Griezmann shit because they didn't win the final
You should seriously go for a walk. Your head's full of shit, maybe fresh air will clear it.
>>69486064
Pick a better striker that is not from the pre-70s era please
THese aren't just unpopular. These are absolute dogshit.
The fact that you don't rate players such as Griezman, De Bruyne and Silva shows you know fuck all mate.
Suarez is good. Probably like on of the best of all time. Henry, Van Basten, Muller and Fat Ronaldo are all better centre forwards. I could probably name more, but I cba.
Time for the most unpopular opinion on this board right.
-Messi is the undisputed GOAT. No one can match the brilliance of his goalscoring, creativity and ball control in one package. The only other player close to Messi is Maradona, but his goalscoing record is shit compared to Messi's (Maradona played deeper tbf)
>>69485876
>16 goals in the CL
>nothing
>>69486085
Ronaldo
Van Basten
Henry
Messi > Ronaldo
>>69486085
Ronaldo
Baggio
Henry
van Nistelrooy
Romario
>>69486092
Yeah there's no doubt Messi is the best, only contrarians and the blind can claim otherwise
>>69486101
He had a pretty good campaign and you can only beat what you get set in front of you, but it's not that impressive fucking over Malmo and Shakhtar. Wolfsburg was quite impressive if not slightly lucky(The free kick)
>>69486092
>but his goalscoing record is shit compared to Messi's (Maradona played deeper tbf)
He also played in far weaker teams than Messi's Barca and in the most defensive era/league in history. Also several rule changes happened in football shortly after Maradona's peak to make the game more attacking (back-pass got banned and offside rule changed to favour the attacker). Not saying he's as good a goalscorer as Messi, but comparing stats across eras without context is silly.
>>69486092
Henry and Fatnaldo were great, pretty much like Villa for example
Suarez is just better
>Messi is the undisputed GOAT. No one can match the brilliance of his goalscoring, creativity and ball control in one package
This is true, not unpopular
>>69486092
>>69486151
>>69486205
seriously, you have to be a Barca fan
>>69486101
Truly the greatest
>>69486205
>Henry and Fatnaldo were great, pretty much like Villa for example
Haha fuck me
>>69485944
>>69485908
Why didn't you respond to this? He also forgot venezuela and usa.
>>69486169
>only has two goals in the three cl finals he played
>one was a game winning goal, the other was an easy stat pad goal after the game was no longer in doubt
>didn't even score against juventus when the other members of the greatest trio ever did
>has never had a big game to save his team from the brink of elimination
>retired from international football despite having the world's best team at the age of 29 because he can't handle criticism
>misses penalties with the game on the line
>forced the manager to play him centrally to offload premier talents at striker or shuttle them into a different position where they are ill suited
>>69486203
I get you senpai, but that Napoli team was pretty ugging good due to Mafia money. Only conceded 16 goals the year they won the Scudetto. I also concede and nowagree comparing stats across eras is retarded. The 80's and 90's were the most defensive time in football and comparing it to modern day is dumb but it is even dumber comparing now or the 80's to Pele era football where football was literal joke tier.
>>69486303
>I don't watch the sport but let me post anyway
stick to handegg fattie
Cristiano is the goat deal with it
>>69486303
>two goals in 3 CL finals is somehow unimpressive
What the actual fuck? That's a great record. Finals are usually the cagiest games in the tournament and having 2 goals is p good. Also just because he didn't score against Juventus doesn't mean he was shit. He's basically the reason Suarez had the chance to even get his goal and his pass from deep to Neymar is what started the attack for Rakitic's first goal.
I'll give that he's a wee poofter for retiring, but I think he's just sick of the AFA and will come back.
Messi has had countless big games though. He's the leading el clasico scorer. He scored a hat trick when he was 19 in el clasico to equal Van Nistelrooy's GOAT el clasico performance. He scored that fucking unreal run in the Copa del Rey final against Bilbao when it was 0-0. I have watched countless big Messi games, but sadly he is fucking poo for his NT.
argentina is not the 2nd best team in the world if their tactics have been horrible for the last 12 years they played with messi. and its messis fault for being an autistic moron. he KNOWS whats wrong.
messi is a system babby and he plays much worse for the national team than he does for barce. his system at barce: let 9 other outfielders posess the ball and fatigue the opponents before they pass to him when messi is the only guy on the pitch with fresh legs. messi is one of the only players with zero defensive workrate.
system at argentina: team tries to play barce, can't hold posession, everyone panics when its 0-0 half time and they revert to hoof balls to higuain because messi ran only 3 fucking kilometres in 45 minutes with his shitty meme tactics and it is like playing with 10 men.
>>69486366
Why would you post proof that Ronaldo only scores against minnows and then call him the "GOAT". You posted proof that he's a fucking statpadder.
Also, that fucking conversion rate lmao
>>69486205
>Suarez is just better
Better than most, yes. But prime Fatnaldo was the GOAT striker. Even Suarez admires him.
>t. Suarez dickriding urugayan
>>69485821
You misspelled retarded as unpopular
>>69486530
Shut up faggot he's the undisputed goat
>>69486320
Napoli were pretty much the Man City of that era. They bought a shitload of players in a short space of time. Maradona wasn't even thought to be the best performer in that team in Napoli's first title campaign by some Italian media. Gazetta dello Sport for example rated a couple above him.
>>69486567
>retarded
Your new generation of shit players surely know a lot about this
(well I guess some of the old ones as well, Navas, Torres and Isco on top of the list)
>>69486696
Are you by any chance Algerian, mate?
>>69486623
Is that his longest dry run on set pieces? Truly a record breaker.
>>69486821
It's his all time Portugal Competitive game free kick record.
>>69486885
Holy shit, that's actually worse. What the fuck. I'm guessing those are also the other dudes all time NT free kick records. I didn't expect that from Mihajlovic, so it didn't occur to me that it was an all time chart. Top kek.
>>69486821
50% of his freekicks are 40m out its no wonder his conversion rate is low
>>69486746
No, I'm french (and I mean a real, white one)
>giving a fuck about corrupted FIFA awards
Top cucks
They will award it to anyone who is the most popular over the globe and thus gives the football industry the most shekels.
>>69487015
lol no
>>69486623
isn't that up to like 46 now?
>>69486517
>messi is one of the only players with zero defensive workrate.
confirmed for never watching Argentina play
Casuals think that Messi "disappears" because he plays deep, presses, and involves himself in build-up play but rarely in the final third. He plays this role for Argentina because no one else in the midfield can string two passes together (Tata stacks the midfield with defensive players) and his strikers - Aguero, Higuain - should in theory take some of the load off his shoulders, but in reality completely fail to take advantage of the space he creates. They just stand around and watch Messi try to dribble 4 players instead of making forward runs themselves.
>>69487082
yes but i cant find an updated version
I'm convinced pk7 faggots are just shitposting, they can't be that blind and stupid
>>69486205
Holy shit this opinion
-Belgian team is just a victim of today's tournament tactic of playing not to lose rather than playing to win
-Defensive teams just keep winning and there is nothing you can do to prevent counter+cross
-There is no point in attacking in football anymore
-Mark Clattenburg should be fined and removed of his refereeing license by FIFA/UEFA/England, three times.
-This Argentina is the greatest team in history to not win a trophy
-Messi had already certified himself as the GOAT even before 2014
-Italy was the best team this Euros
-People under-appreciate what Xavi provided for spain (and overrating Iniesta)
-Neuer is not the best goalkeeper in the world, Rui Patricio or Claudio Bravo seem more connected with the defenders making them more secure and less prone to blunders
-On the topic of Goalkeeping, Messi missed the penalty because he practices with Bravo daily at Barcelona
-Griezmann is the second best player in the world
-Pepe is the best defender, Boateng not top 3
-Kimmich will be the best back by 2022
-Mueller needs to be benched
>>69487083
to ABM's, Messi does nothing for Argentina. He doesn't defend, doesn't attempt any take-ons, all his passes fail, and he just starts puking on the field left and right to the point where they physically have to hault the match to get a cleaning crew onto the pitch.
>>69490858
I agree with all these except about Iniesta being overrated, also not mentioning Buffon and the bit about Argentina being the best team, on paper maybe but if you watch them play Aguero is shit, their midfield is non existent and Higuain tries but he's cursed or some shit
I genuinely think Messi would be better off playing for Mexico than that Argentine team
>>69490895
4chan is full of contrarian idiots
-Luis Suarez deserves this year's Ballon d'Or by a hundred miles
>agreed
-Also he just proved that he is the best striker in the history of football
>it's still Gerd Muller
-France and Belgium are full of overrated shit, especially Griezmann, Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukaku and Martial
>i think De Bruyne and Martial are legit, both just young. Griezmann is awesome, but he was poor in both CL Final and Euro Final. All of these are good players: Lloris, Umtiti, Koscielny, Pogba, Matuidi, Kante, Payet, Coman, Nainggolan, Witsel and Sissoko played out of his mind
-Spain NT is full of shit as well, seriously Nolito, Aduriz, Silva and Juanfran shouldn't even be playing for a NT
>Spain was dumb for not starting Koke and how did Saul and Isco not even make their squad? And sekecting San Jose/Bartra over J.Martinez?
-Regardless of how much trophies they won, Argentina's current squad is the second best NT ever (first one is obviously Spain 2010 minus Torres and Ramos)
>nah
-Verratti, even though he's still young, is already world class and shits on a hell lot of players
>he's awesome
-Umtiti is talented as fuck and will become one of the best defenders in the world
>easily
>>69486548
HOWEVER, his favorite striker is...
>>69490858
>(and overrating Iniesta)
>Griezmann is the second best player in the world
Those I disagree on.
Xaci is underrated, but it would be unfair to take anything from Iniesta.
Griezmann had me impressed this year, but he's probably not there just yet. He chocked too many times at important moments, I'll watch him closely next year.
>>69486092
This man knows the score, agree with all of it.
Lewandowski = Klose but plays for Poland and is forced to do much more on the field
if barca won the cl again and if uruguay won the copa suarez would be a lock for the ballon d'or. but he's probably not going to get it now.
when hes fit and in form he's better than every other striker in the world right now.
Soccer has gone massively downhill in the last 10 years. Any average Quarter Final team(say England from 2006) from before 2006 in WC/Euro would have walked Euro 2016.
Any Argentina team from 2006 > any Argentina team since 2006
Luis Suarez is currently the best player in the world. Griezmann is #2. They both make ANY team they play for a lot better, which isn't something you can always say about Messi/CR7.
Messi and Ronaldo don't get the flak they should for not winning as much with their international teams. La Liga is a very top-heavy league so their goalscoring records are inflated.
Messi is a specialist. He's the best at one thing kind of like Beckham was with dead balls, but not really worthy of the all time GOAT label, though he's obviously better than Beckham. It's not completely his fault that Argentina doesn't win anything, but it's also NOT not his fault too.
Gap between Europe/South America and the rest of the world has massively narrowed. This will be shown the next World Cup.
There are no more fundamentals/technique in soccer anymore. Because of that, parking the bus has become a good strategy, which should never really be the case for soccer. Attacking play should be rewarded, not punished. There needs to be some kind of rule change about this soon.
No other coach in the world can do a better job than Klinsmann with the USA NT.
>>69485821
every fucking thread one of you shitheads always insists that suarez was le best striker of all time. Yes he's been phenomenal, whether he deserves ballon'dor over ronaldo, is arguable though very likely. But players like romario and original ronaldo were on another level. Especially original ronaldo, who in his prime might have been the best player that ever lived. He had better pace, better dribbling, and dare I say it, maybe even better finishing then rat king.
>>69486092
good post
>>69485912
>Someone doesnt suck CRs dick
>"hurr durrr barca messifag"
This is getting cancerous
This board will always dick ride Messi even if he commited triplle homicide and will always hate Ronaldo even if he donates his heart to charity because majoriy of the posters here can relate to Messi's autistic background and tendencies and Ronaldo will always the be arrogant alpha douchebag they will never be
>>69495515
Ronaldo also had better passing than Suarez. And he never chimped out obviously, did he ever get a red card in his career?
>>69495415
Agree. International football is so low I wouldn't be surprised to see USA reaching semifinals in 2018.
>>69496877
True, but Messi is definitely the better player.
>>69486195
Can somone explain why Wolfsburg threw the match against Madrid? Like, you were 2-0 up and just had to score AN GOAL. 1! Or just fucking park the bus.
But they get ripped apart...leaving oceans of space and making mistakes, though they did have a chance or two that they missed,
>>69485821
>Umtiti
Just like varane right? Senpai Please
>>69490858
>Pepe is the best defender, Boateng not top 3
My sides.
>-Messi had already certified himself as the GOAT even before 2014
>-Italy was the best team this Euros
This is the correct Answer.
>There is no point in attacking in football anymore
Blame Real Uefadrid...They mainstreamed it with Jose.
>>69486234
People still not getting this. One player dominates, absolutely fucking dominates his first games of the tournament so they double team him the rest of the time, giving his teammates space. Then, gee whiz billy his teammates start scoring goals! Wow what a concept!
Keep reading the stats and not watching games
>-On the topic of Goalkeeping, Messi missed the penalty because he practices with Bravo daily at Barcelona
Because bravo usually saves shots over the bar, I see it all the time
>>69485821
Take the rats dick out of your mouth dude. I'm getting real tired of these shitty threads that keep insisting that he's the greatest striker ever
>>69485821
>unpopular opinions =/= troll and bait
try harder, loser.
>>69485821
Brazil 70, Netherlands 74, Hungary 54, Brazil 82
>>69486092
Pelé is better than Messi.
Garrincha too.
>>69485821
Agree with Suarez being underrated as fuck and France and specially Belgium having a lot of overrated players
Couldn't disagree more with Griezmann being overrated and Argentina having the... second... best... the second NT ever? No, just no
>>69486018
>no he didn't, the bite and the ban killed his chances. Also his goals against tactically retarded eplel teams are not as impressive as Ronaldo breaking the CL goalscoring record that year.
...against tactically retarded, group stage tier, random teams
>>69486517
>zero defensive workrate
At Barcelona during the Guardiola era the front three used to press intensely if they lost the ball high up the pitch. If they couldn't get the ball back after a few seconds they would foul in order to prevent a counter, and would never get carded because they were so far away from their own goal. They practiced this during training the most, and was the key to that teams success. If I remember correctly Messi led the team with the most fouls, so he definitely did his part defensively, but their unique style of play made it difficult to catch.
>>69490858
>People under-appreciate what Xavi provided for spain (and overrating Iniesta)
This. Iniesta is extremely overrated as a deep lying playmaker, and can't control a game for his life without Xavi
>>69486517
You obviously don't watch Barça at all. And if you do, you don't have much understanding of football.
>>69485821
>-France and Belgium are full of overrated shit, especially Griezmann, Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukaku and Martial
>-Spain NT is full of shit as well, seriously Nolito, Aduriz, Silva and Juanfran shouldn't even be playing for a NT
Those were unpopular opinions?
>>69486092
Agree on everything except Maradona was the GOAT
You have to understand the teams he played for were mostly dogshit before he arrived and he played in a completely different era
He had battle his way past an entire team to score most of the time, all of them chomping at his ankles, and he still did it incredibly often
Messi is indisputably the best player of this era and MAY be better than Maradona, but his supporting cast has always been much, much better. Xavi is an iconic player in his own right
Meanwhile, just look at Maradona's WC win to see what he could accomplish on his own... It was like Dirk's championship with the Mavs
> Eden Hazard is one of the best player in the world. Better than Bale. And he will be considered one of the best ever at the end of his carreer.
>there are "people" who consider themselves to be knowledgeable about soccer and yet don't think that zidane is the best player of all time
>>69498480
>>69486092
Forgot to mention, I don't rate De Bruyne either. Le work rate albino man is worse than Hazard, he has good vision to try things other players won't, but his execution is so-so much of the time
Sometimes he will just pull something off good enough to trick people into thinking he's a better player than he is
Silva = Ozil >>> De Bruyne > Eriksen
>>69498515
fuck off with your memes
Zidane wasn't even the best player of his era, R9 was. Zidane was barely better than Riquelme
Tiki Taka and Poop are the worst cancer to ever happen to football, and the reason the quality of the sport has gone downhill since its creation. Nowadays it's either keep the ball forever or counter attack, that's it. Like some anon said earlier, football was remarkably better 10 years ago, and it's no wonder football has decayed right after the 08/09 season.
>>69498545
Based Mou didn't rate De Bruyne for a reason
He assumed he was not of the quality of the 1st title winning Chelsea side, and he was right
What Mou didn't anticipate was that the PL had changed way too much since then. Being "good on the ball" doesn't really matter anymore. Nowadays you just have to be pacey and literally nothing else matters. You can make up for the lack of technique by just closing down and winning a footrace to the ball
Faster paced games? Sure. More entertaining? Idk. It doesn't feel like soccer
>>69490858
>greatest team in history
>this Argentina
With a team cohesion of water and oil ?
Kevin-Prince is better than Jerome.
>>69498159
Netherlands 74, Hungary 54 and Brazil 82 were so good they won the World Cup like it was nothing. =')
>>69500000
>>69500000
Netherlands 74
>Bernd Hölzenbein of West Germany dives for a penalty after being down against Holland. Germany wins WC. Joao Havelange, who was FIFA President from 1974 until 1999 later states the world cup was rigged for Germany (host) to win.
Hungary 54
> Hungary's team captain Ferenc Puskás, considered by many as the best player in the world in that time, was injured by German defender Werner Liebrich, Germany wins WC. 1 week earlier, Hungary had beaten Germany 8-3 and a doping scandal ensued after half the German team developed jaundice
Brazil 82
well this one is true, they actually lost 4-2 but an italian goal was disallowed. Italy just crushed everyone with that defense.
>>69500000
>>69500000
>>69486627
Holy moly players were uglier back then.
