Which player has statistically the most impressive NT career?
>>69325418
some Brazilian with 2 WCs
Ronaldo or Pele probably
Pele
Those brazilian lads with 3 WCs
Zidane
>>69325453
Pele won three, so him
>>69325476
only Pele did
>>69325453
>>69325466
>>69325476
But Pele never won any of those trophies
>>69325418
Rooney
the hattrick against san marino is in every history books.
>>69325549
>beating a dead horse
Arrête de t'acharner ....
>>69325501
(You)
>>69325418
Well, Ronaldo has 2 WC, 2 copa america, 1 UEFA,
Zidane (1 WC, 1 Euros)
Ronaldo (2 WC, 2 Copa Americas)
Gerd Muller (1 WC, 1 Euro)
Franz Beckenbauer (1 WC, 1 Euro)
Iniesta, Xavi, Sergio Ramos, Casillas, Torres (1 WC 2 Euros)
Pele (3 WCs)
Pelé, Cafu, Ronaldo, Spanish bros from 08-12, Italian dudes from the 30s, French lads from 98-00, German fellas from 72-74
>>69325418
Pele or the real Ronaldo
>>69325651
and of course Brazilians from 58-62
Pelé, Xavi, Zidane
>>69325651
Passarella also won two WCs, didn't he?
Ronaldo has to be in with a shout, in the 5 major tournaments he played in:
>3x Tournament wins, 1x Runner-Up (Key player in all 4)
>World Cup - 19 Apps 15 Goals
>Copa America - 12 Apps 10 Goals
>2x Best Player Award, 1x Runner-Up
>2x Golden Boots
>1x Silver Boot
>1x Bronze Boot
Not counting WC '94 because he didn't play.
Also Klinsmann is an honorable mention
2 World Cup finals. Won it once
2 Euro finals. Won it once
>>69325711
God damn I miss that fat fuck
>>69325703
yes, I forgot about him
Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo.
>>69325711
Truly the goat
>>69325711
Fucking hell. Thats impressive.
>>69325767
Kek
>>69325736
along with Reuter, Moeller, Hassler and maybe some others
I rate fat Ronaldo higher than Pele for the NT.
Pele has one more WC, but fat ronaldo won copa americas, confederations and was runner up in 98. Not to mention he was among the top scorers in pretty much all tournaments
We aren't living in the age of Rooney for nothing.
>>69325812
The best is that he wasn't that impressive in these World Cups, compared to what he did with Barça or Inter.
He looked a bit tired in 1998, and he got fat in 2002.
>>69325879
Do you when/what year he had his 2 major knee injuries? Thanks
>>69325911
1999 as far as I remember.
>>69325911
And I'm pretty sure he was injured the second time against Lazio in the first semester of 2000.
>>69325911
He had one before 02 and one after I believe
Maradona is the GOAT
Pele played in the stone age of football and was surrounded by other great players of that time while Maradona was the team and a complete badass leader
>>69325879
Hilarious how badly Brazil struggled in the WC 02 qualifiers without Ronaldo.
>>69325711
he is clearly the GOAT anti-choker
>>69325911
late 99 and then early/mid 00. he barely played in his prime. missed most of his games from late 99 to the first half of 2002. his real comeback was in the 2002 WC
>>69326001
Poor guy. His also had that thyroid problem. With his injuries back to back literally he probably got fat in between that time he could have won more player of the years. Could have been the greatest in my opinion if he didn't have those injuries. He won the first year he got back after two injuries. Who does that?
>>69326035
He missed great years. Imagine what he would have done. Greatest stricker ever barring no injuries maybe best ever
>>69326089
He is already regarded as the best striker ever even with losing 2 years of his prime and then never really being the same type of player after.
>>69325418
fat ron probably
>>69326023
This, I remember talking (back then) about the fact Brazil wouldn't even qualify for the World Cup 2002.
>>69326058
>>69326089
But he's the greatest.
At least he was the scariest player you could think of (much more than Messi today). I was horrified before the WC 98 final, it felt like Ronaldo could come and humiliate us really bad with two or three ridiculous goals.
No other modern player ever had the same aura than young Ronaldo IMO.
>>69326152
That's what I mean. He really was great. Too many people forget and just make fun of him being fat. They don't even know what a beast he was
> Roberto Mancini (coach Inter): "The best player in history? Ronaldo reached this level at the age of 21."
> Mancini: "I will never forget the Lazio - Inter game in 1998. It was the biggest game in Italy and the journalists only cared about Ronaldo"
> "After 10 mins, Nesta came to me and told me: what is this hell that I am enduring?"
> "At that moment, Nesta and I realised that we were up against a phenomenon football had never seen, probably never will"
>>69326232
Yeah he was truly something else.
"El Fenómeno"
>>69325418
Quick reminder:
Best striker in one Euro: Michel Platini 9 goals
Best striker in one WC: Just Fontaine 13 goals
Imagine if Ronaldo hadn't been kill for the 98 final
Fucking two WCs in a row thanks to him, god damn
>>69326482
This.
Inb4 the retards come and say "hurrrr it was easy in 1958": if it was so easy, then how come no one else did it? Or went even close to Just Fontaine?
>>69326549
And for Platini it was not even a "pure" striker it was a n°10
>>69326625
Do older french lads rate him over Zidane or nah?
>>69326666
Back then in 2000 (when Zidane peaked), many old guys said Platini was superior.
>>69325711
this is such a fucking mess. explain these.
Ronaldo or Pelé. It will be really hard to surpass those.
>>69326232
the 98 final was so dissapointing for us we keep saying France drugged us, or FIFA bought our NT to sell the game, but honestly Ronaldo had a bad game and he was the GOAT.
there was 2 cool videos about that final that i think sums up the whole game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oz1HhLjT9c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuRDsF9tpDQ
>>69326802
He was either poisoned or had a seizure hardly his fault
>>69326773
'97 Copa America
'98 World Cup
'99 Copa America
'02 World Cup
'06 World Cup
>>69326839
thanks
>>69326802
Food poisoning of the opposite team isn't incredibly hard to believe though. It happened in the early 90s French league.
>>69326802
Probably wasn't poisoning, but something was definitely up with Ronaldo. He just wasn't moving right all game.
>>69326802
the real problem was zagallo not playing edmundo from the start. how the fuck do you put someone who had a seizure hours before the game starts?
Not memessi or donaldo
>>69326850
It's happened before. Argentina did it to Brazil I believe. They put tranquilizers in their water
>>69325711
How was Ronaldo a key player in 1994?
>>69325521
>autism
>>69325711
>Copa America
Don't even mention that trash. Even if a player wins 10 of them, it means nothing.
>>69326986
Did you read the post? I didn't count WC 94
>>69327234
>Don't even mention that trash.
Copa America's quality was always better than the Euro's.
>>69327300
Copa America is on the same level as the AFCON, EURO is on the same level as the World Cup.
Messi
Aguero
Higuain
>>69327300
dont kid yourself m9. for half of its existence even south americans ignored it.
>>69327300
B8 Wanderlei
>>69327300
>always
That's wrong. Euro 1996 and 2000 were legitimately great tournaments.
>>69327348
>EURO is on the same level as the World Cup.
that's wrong.
>>69327348
>Copa America is on the same level as the AFCON
that was a huge stretch but i kinda agree with you in Euro part
>>69327470
It's not, pooptugal
>>69327348
>EURO is on the same level as the World Cup.
>>69326802
This one is really good too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EosbjtLTU3U
>>69327496
Are you talking in terms of quality or prestige?
The old saying "World Cup is just Euros + Brazil and Argentina" doesn't make sense anymore.
>>69327583
Quality is the same, if not better. Prestige is almost the same.
Lilian Thuram
>>69327604
>prestige is almost the same
Nowhere near m8
>>69325508
Zagallo has 3 WC, but one (70) as a coach. If he had managed to beat France, he would have 4 trophies on his shelf.
>>69327723
He is saying that because Holland doesn't has a single WC and managed to not qualify for the Euro.
>>69327749
he was part of the '94 staff too
>>69327583
>The old saying "World Cup is just Euros + Brazil and Argentina" doesn't make sense anymore.
how so? i know brazil have fallen but its not like other confederation have any truly good teams.
>>69327723
Posting under that flag, all of your opinions are immediately trashed. Stick to grooming gangs, please.
>>69327300
Is that why players opt out of it and try to win Olympic gold instead?
>>69327827
Hmm... Interesting... So he has 4 trophies...
>>69327853
Chile is pretty much a top 5 team in the world.
Colombia is better than the likes of England, Portugal, Croatia, Belgium, Poland
But yeah, keep underrating south americans.
>>69327853
South America will never win a World Cup again. Their last one was 2002 (14 years ago) and it was completely illegitimate as Italy (the best side) got refballed out of the tournament.
Now, Brazil has completely falled off and Argentina is even worse than Chile (a mediocre side in its own right). They basically serve as canon fodder for European sides.
Look at the last World Cup. The worst Dutch side since the 60s, and we beat Chile 2-0, Brazil 3-0 and took Argentina to penalties. South America is trash. Africa will overtake them in a few decades as the second-best continent in terms of football.
>>69327902
In this case was different. OG is the Holy Grail of CBF and everyone knows that. Winning a meme CA wouldn't give the prestige that a Olympic Gold would.
If they manage to pull this shit up, Norway will be our last taboo.
Would love to see any european team in the CONMEBOL qualifiers.
There's no San Marino, Andorra, Latvia, Luxembourg, Faroe Islands, Liechtenstein, Malta, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Moldova, Gibraltar, Kosovo for you to bully there.
>>69328057
Would love to see you step on a slaveship and go back to Brazil.
>>69327911
im not underrating SA, if anything i think your quote should be "WC is Euros plus SA".
>>69327995
>South America will never win a World Cup again
>Africa
gud jk. also im the the gypsie here, Daan. you got a cease&desist for fortune telling.
>>69327902
not really, it is just because we won 3 Copa americas in a row with the shittiest teams possible and we always shit the bed in olympics.
honestly i doubt someone cares, but CBF wants to win in our home soil to put our shit things behind it
>>69327995
>Their last one was 2002 (14 years ago)
what was the last time Netherlands won a WC?i forgot.
>>69328072
I'm pretty sure you would trade your beloved Euro trophy for any World Cup final lost.
Am I wrong?
>>69328072
damn
>>69325711
>NO CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
>>69325711
Still no champions
>>69328163
It's funny because for me Euros > Copa America. I just don't like seeing the Copa America being put on the same level of the Gold Cup. Some of the greatest world players are south american.
>>69327853
'no'
2010: Uruguay went to the semi-finals, Paraguay finished top of it's group and lost to the champions Spain via refball in the QF. Chile, Ghana and Japan, South Korea, Mexico beat european teams went to the knockout stage. USA finished first in a group with two europeans.
2014:
Costa Rica and Uruguay went to the knockout stage in a group with England and Italy. Colombia went to the QF. Costa Rica beat an european team in the R16. Mexico, Chile, Nigeria beat european teams and went to the knockout stage. USA and Algeria also went to the knockout stage while Russia and Portugal didn't
>>69328186
>>69328212
>autism
this thread is literally about NT
>>69327234
>le I didn't win a single WC nation
>>69327234
>can't qualify to a 24 teams Euro
>>69327300
All I am going to say is Italy, Spain, Germany
>>69327502
Youre right, it has actually pulled past it recently. The WC has South American trash in it, only makes the competition easier. There is a reason why you filth ridden continent hasnt won anything in 3 tournaments and keeps getting embarrassed by the UEFA in every single tournament.
>>69326931
lies, there's no proof
the brazilians run an anti doping test and came out negative, branco was a fucking liar
>>69329314
Argentina is better than all these teams.
>>69329380
Too bad the world cup or football itself did not start 12 years ago
>>69329461
>argentina
>better than germany
Because they defeated Venezuela and USA? You south americans only use the 2014 WC when it fits your arguments.
Pelé hands down
>77 goals in 91 games
>12 world cup goals in 13 world cup games
>technically 3 titles, but you might only want to consider 2 and it's still impressive
>>69329520
Quality of players i mean. Argentina always choking has nothing to do with actual team quality. Argentina would choke against Jamaica in final, doesn't mean Jamaica team is better.
>>69329564
>>69329314
Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil have the same ammount of titles.
>>69329380
>The WC has South American trash in it, only makes the competition easier.
I think the win in 2014 got over your head. Last time we've seen each other at a final you got wrecked by the GOAT.
>There is a reason why you filth ridden continent hasnt won anything in 3 tournaments and keeps getting embarrassed by the UEFA in every single tournament.
As >>69329461 pointed out, the WC didn't start 12 years ago and afaik we still hold the biggest ammount of titles.
>>69327300
Fuck off retard, go back to /a/ or whatever shithole you came from because you obviously know fuckall about the sport.
Copa America is a joke, always been, see how we used to send our B team, and win it.
>>69329513
It is, The average quality of the teams in Copa America is far better. Or do you believe Northern Ireland or Wales are better than Colombia or Peru?
>>69329461
>Argentina is better than all these teams.
Got killed 2006 and 2014. Good job, better team and so on.
>Too bad the world cup or football itself did not start 12 years ago
What is that supposed to mean? I literally said that it pulled ahead RECENTLY.
>2006
4 UEFA in semis, UEFA wins
>2010
3 UEFA in semis, UEFA wins
>2014
2 UEFA in semis IN South America and the hosts, after luckily reaching the semis, gets fucking humiliated harder than any nation has ever been humiliated in the sports history, UEFA wins
So tell me again how the addition of the South American teams to a competition adds any competitive value.
>>69329658
>Last time we've seen each other at a final you got wrecked by the GOAT.
You didnt wreck anybody. You won against a lousy team that had Kahn and no one else. Besides, that was 14 years ago so which part of RECENTLY do you jungle monkeys no understand?
>>69329747
Look at the top 4 teams.
Germany > Argentina
Portugal = Chile
Wales > USA
France > Colombia
>>69329747
You achieved NOTHING in 3 consecutive WORLD CUPS and got humiliated in basically every single one of them. How the fuck can you still spout this shit when you have literally nothing to back up your claim? You a Brit on vacation or something?
>>69329747
but you have like a dozen of teams. The top 10-12 in Uefa is better on average, and on top of that you get lesser teams like Wales who are better than Bolivia anyway
Euro wins on both quality and quantity, average strenght means nothing when you have only two good teams
>>69329814
Chile is better than Portugal.
>>69329714
Kek you are mad. It's the truth. The Euro has more teams and money, that's all. There are no really easy games in Copa America, the same can't be said about the Euro.
>>69329772
>>69329838
Let's do the following, when Germany acquire more WC titles than Brazil you come back here and we discuss. Til then my friend, I will stay here sitting atop of my 5 titles, one of them won over you btw.
>>69329843
>The top 10-12 in Uefa is better on average
No mate, it isn't. Even considering recently years.
>>69329772
Being better team has nothing to do with winning. Argentina choked in the final, missed like 4 sitters between Higuain, Palacio and Messi. Germany had two clear chances and scored in one. Congratulations.
>What is that supposed to mean? I literally said that it pulled ahead RECENTLY.
So 2006 is recent, but 2002 is not? Nice try Nazi. Stop pulling arbitrary things out of your ass.
>You didnt wreck anybody. You won against a lousy team that had Kahn and no one else. Besides, that was 14 years ago so which part of RECENTLY do you jungle monkeys no understand?
You still lost a final to us, that's being wrecked. I could say the same thing, you demolished a very poor team without its two best players.
And being the host means jack shit, crowds today are not the same crowds of the 70s, 80s. Crowds are shit everywhere. If anything it adds more pressure to the host team.
>>69329944
>I swear we are better we simply cant be bothered to perform in tournaments anymore lmao
Literally British
>>69329814
Brazil was playing with a B team, I must remind you.
>>69329944
>There are no really easy games in Copa America
listen you dumb newfag, refrain from posting on this board, you're an embarrassment.
>>69329998
>meme copa america with Concacaf and Caribbean teams
It seems that the embarrassment is you.
>>69329944
>There are no really easy games in Copa America
sure thing
>>69329966
>Being better team has nothing to do with winning.
Alright, guess we are done here.
>So 2006 is recent, but 2002 is not? Nice try Nazi. Stop pulling arbitrary things out of your ass.
If 2006 is recently that congrats, you performed in 1 and got smashed in 3. Outstanding performance my jungle monkey friend. Truly shows South American greatness.
>You still lost a final to us
See above.
I get it, football is the only thing you favela subhumans have but Jesus Christ, dont this sort of shit when it bottles down to
>le best team doesnt win, le yuros just so le lucky HUEHEUHEUEHUE
How many Euro teams go to the WC? How many South american teams go?
I also must remember this Nazi that Germany went 24 years without a WC. 14 years is nothing, every team goes through a slump. You are mad if you think South American teams add nothing to the World Cup.
>>69329814
Germany is better than Argentina, okay.
Portugal IS NOT better than Chile. In fact Chile is better than all Euro teams except maybe Germany.
Wales is better than USA but USA does not play in South America.
France is maybe better than Colombia, both have similar squad quality.
>>69330018
>Bolivia
>Venezuela
>Peru
>Paraguay
the only reason these aren't easy games is because current Brazil is shit. They are all absolutely weak and mediocre.
>>69330043
>you performed in 1 and got smashed in 3
Germany took 24 years to win another WC title since 1990 and you are here talking about performance. You had a good win against crippled Brazil and it totally got over your head.
>>69330247
>only 24 years
wew lad
>>69330043
>Alright, guess we are done here.
Okay, fine. Last thing you will tell me that the Real Madrid that won the Champions League last season was the best team in Europe even though they got embarassed multiples times during that season and only reached the final because of lucky draws. Any team can luck their way through a tournament where only 7-8 matches are played, nothing to do with actual player and team quality. I'm not saying Germany did not deserve to win, just saying Argentina has a better team.
>If 2006 is recently that congrats, you performed in 1 and got smashed in 3. Outstanding performance my jungle monkey friend. Truly shows South American greatness.
We still won one. So much for "South America adds nothing to the WC"
>I get it, football is the only thing you favela subhumans have but Jesus Christ, dont this sort of shit when it bottles down to
>le best team doesnt win, le yuros just so le lucky HUEHEUHEUEHUE
Nobody said that, you are just getting butthurt for no reason. I'm just having this discussion because i think it's dumb to say that Euro teams will win every WC from now on and that south american teams are dead forever. Not the first time i see this kind of post.
>>69329869
everyone is better than Portugal dude
>>69330247
Didn't it take you just as long to get a WC after Pele retired?
