Memes aside why England team is so shit? They have everything to be good: rich, big population, sport number one, high % of population is playing football for fun etc. Even we have more medals than them. How the fuck is it possible? Its hard to imagine for example Italians not winning anything for 50 years. This cant be just bad luck.
>invent sport
>suck at it
>>69023608
playing rooney in the midfield was a mistake
Hart and kane underperformed
Shit managers. Too many foreigners in the domestic league.
FA cares more about paying for Wembley than having a good national team
tactically awful. no coherent system. a dreadful media that crushes players before they even kick a ball etc.
roy is 100% to blame for this tournament though. he should've gone after 2014.
This was a very simple fix: play Marcus Rashford. Roy is just too shit to realize this
Not having a manager with a spine.
Sterling and Kane shouldn't have been anywhere near the first 11. Hart should have been dropped. Rashford should have started.
They just are, it's in their genes.
English are shit at everything they do
>>69023608
PLAYING 4-3-3 EVERY GAME AND ONLY BRINGING 1 (ONEEEEEEE) FUCKING WINGER AND THE WINGER IS OUT OF FORM RAHEEM 'I'M FUCKING SHIT' STERLING.
Roy had a major part in it but the players are fucking shite too. Hart and rooney should retire.
because they don't care, it's literally more profitable for a team to finish top 4 in the premiere league than win a trophy so they bring in johnny foreigner to accomplish this task and then call it a day.
English are inferior. The better species left that shithole of a country a hundred years ago
>>69023951
This.
In the 5 minutes Rashford was playing he had a bigger impact on the game than Rooney and Kane combined. I'm fairly certain the UK could have scored if they used him earlier.
And I will never understand why they kept Rooney in the game.
>>69024015
3-0 :^)
>only play 4-3-3 with rppney in midfield and sterling on wing
Oh im laffin
>not starting vardy and rashford and playing 4-4-2
WHY DID KANE AND STERLING START?????????
>>69023963
As opposed to your country that coincidently became shit at every sport the moment more stringent doping tests came in
>stay in the UK
>fuck some sheep
>leave UK
>become wealthiest country in the world (australia) or the most powerful country in the world (usa)
those who stayed were too beta to go.
playing entire preparation 4-4-2 , first match starting with 4-3-3 ,
i actually liked rooney only in the last match he should have been subbed around 60th minute
players like kane and sterling dissapoint in the last game yet they still start,
after the great qualification and all the preparation england was among the teams who most changed their team, iceland played all 4 games with the same starting 11
>>69024091
Leave the germans alone. The only thing they're good at is international football. At club level they've always been inferior to us and they're irrelevant in every other sport
>>69024063
Hodgson is loyal to his players. He thought that they'd play well against a supposedly easy side like Iceland which would boost their confidence.
>>69024047
>thugby
el em ay oh my dumb dumb friend. enjoy your shithouse economy.
>>69024200
what else do you have? cricket? didn't we win the last ashes?
get fucked straya, you are shit.
>>69023608
>Its hard to imagine for example Italians not winning anything for 50 years
did they win anything from 1938 to 1982? that's 44 fucking years.
GOAT teams, always do good : Brazil, Germany, Italy, Argentina.
Good teams when good generation : Spain, France, Netherlands.
Quarter finals/r16 tier teams : England, Portugal, Uruguay and so on.
You can go from r/16 tier to good tier, but you will never enter the goat tier. That's a closed club.
Honestly, I'd have to blame the managers the most. Our players aren't exactly world class, but you don't need world-class players to do well (look at Leicester and Iceland this year). This tournament in particular can be blamed almost entirely on our manager:
- He left behind players in great form
- He brought with him players in bad form and players who had barely played all season
- He played a formation that only needed one striker and brought along five with him
- He played a formation that required at least two wingers and brought one (who happened to be in fucking awful form)
- He kept playing players in positions that they had never played in before
- He never even had a solid formation in mind, despite having 10 qualifying games and a load of friendlies to decide on one
- He barely took off the players that were underperforming during the match
I'm glad that we got destroyed by Iceland. Maybe people will stop pretending that we have world-class players and realise that we need a solid game plan to do anything remotely good. My only regret is that we made it all the way to the knockout stages before being humiliated, although that's partly UEFA's fault for thinking we're a good team and putting us in an "easy" qualifying group and finals group.
Woy doesn't know football
he was clueless
against Wales it was pathetic
against Slovakia it was inefficient
against Iceland it was catastrophic
Iceland didn't even need to defend very well, England players were turning the ball over by themselves
it was so static and slow
some shots were good but Kane's free kick were awful
the guy is 1,88 cm high and he takes the corner kicks and the free kicks!!!
>>69024278
>Good teams when good generation : Spain
loving every laugh
English players are just filler in the big teams and are not used to take responsabilities or tha build up play, that role is given to foregeiners in all the top teams. You could clearly see the players had no clue of what to do with the ball on they feet. The receive i look around and then run stright as fast as possibke and/or smash it in the box, because that's all they doo in theyr teams. No english player is a key player in theyr team, bar maybe Kane, they are just there because they are english.
You could kinda balance this by appointing a very good coach but >Woy
>>69024173
We're kinda good at handball, aren't we?
Anyway, yeah, english league has always been better than the german one because there is more money there, partially because England has a bigger football culture than we do. That money however is rarely spent on youth development, but rather on buying stars and proven players from europe, south america and sometimes africa.
>>69023898
More like not enough English in the foreign leagues, your players only know the same shit.
>>69024286
All of this.
>>69024286
Nah, the players obviously don't care, you can just see how they play so lackadaisically.
>>69024343
Well, it is true, they never won anything other than one world cup 60 years ago or so before suddenly winning a world cup and two euros in a row.
>>69024216
>being this mad that we keep the poms on a leash and throw them a bone every now and then so they dont kill themselves.
Everyone who left England is literally better for it. I'm pretty sure everyone who isn't a cock drinking tea slurper would agree.
>>69023960
and Vardy
>>69024277
Euro in '68 EURO second in '70 wc
>>69024278
>closed
You realize that the people you say are closed always have good geneartions right?
>>69024419
They've had 1 good generation I don't see how that puts them in a classification with teams that have had multiple good generations
>>69024420
why would i be mad we're better than you at your only 2 relevant sports (neither of which are even that popular here)
>>69023608
Simple
Premiere Leauge takes precedence over the nation team.
Look at the big teams in Europe, Spain have Barcalona, Germany have Bayern, France have PSG, Italy have Juve, they have many players who also play for their national team. What's the equilavelent for England?
There is none because all the clubs are built around foreign players.
Other European teams also have players who play for clubs in other countires, we don't. Look at some of the best players England has produced over the past few decades, they've all played in European clubs.
>>69024420
Every day, I get up and thank the based God that my great great great great great great grandfather decided to become a fur trapper halfway across the world.
>>69024383
I blame the manager for that aswell.
>>69024286
>I'm glad that we got destroyed by [...]. Maybe people will stop pretending that we have world-class players and realise that we
I read that after basically every international tournament. The English do not learn this. For some reason you still have that attitude that you are one of the great football nations.
>>69024480
Well, good point.
>>69024277
you are lucky that a certain plane crashed in '49
>>69024502
How many players in the English squad are currently playing abroad?
>>69024480
They had a decent team in the 50's and they won the 64 Euro. 98-02 was a good generation as well.
>That one idiot that kept talking about the next game against France in pre game talks
What a fucking clown
>>69024173
>Leave the germans alone. The only thing they're good at is international football
>loosing against fucking Iceland
Well,atleast we are good at something.
>>69024363
it's a bit of both
but what you said definitely gets overlooked all the fecking time, we should make french/german/spanish mandatory subjects t b h cause second languages are invaluable skills
>>69023608
Shit manager
Half of the squad played out of their best postion
>>69024557
Wasn't that in the 50s?
>>69024277
They won the WC '66 with an irregular goal against germany.
>>69023960
Kane didn't deserve it based on his monster season?
>>69024617
Exactly my point, forgot to add that in.
We are shit and unless something changes in the football structure in this country, we will continue to be a complete joke.
>>69024529
>>69024617
none
the last time we had players playing abroad was beckam (madrid) and hargreaves (bayern) in 06
embarrassing
>>69023960
Hindsight is a beautiful thing. Kane earned his spot IMO, he just didn't perform when it mattered. not sure if that was down to him or woy's shite tactics.
>>69024502
What about Man Utd's golden generation of English players? The NT didn't win anything then either
>>69024343
Spain are already back to being mediocre
Everyone has had problems but I believe the root cause is the mentality of the English FA. It's too deeply rooted to fix.
>>69024761
4 May 1949.
>just swimming by
>>69024804
Well there is more money in the EPL right? What's the point unless you are going to real/barca?
>>69024762
He did, but he was clearly tired and/or mentally affected by Spurs' choke-job and should've been dropped after the first game. Same for Alli.
>>69024363
Meanwhile, the German starting 11:
Bayern Munich + Ozil.
Meanwhile in the Italian starting 11:
All playing in Italy except for Pelle
>>69024830
desu our defence and midfield were ridiculous at one point. We just lacked quality strikers. (owen permacrocked, rooney never performing past 2004)
>>69024782
>>69024804
Yeah, I think that's an important factor. Even the other countries with a strong league (Spain, Germany, Italy) have at least a few players who play abroad. I think it gives the team more collective experience.
Complete lack of Andy Carrol and Big Sam desu lad
I think England's problem is that they have a very high opinion of their football style and their players.
If you would have spoke with an Englishamn prior the tournament they all thought they had the best team so far with a bunch of champions.
The reality is that this team has some very good players (Kane, Alli) and a bunch of overrated players like Dier or Sterling.
We in Italy know that we have a shitty team and we tried to create our teamwork, but England plays like Spain or Germany or Argentina could play, depending on the individual players, but they're not this good.
Also let's speak clear. No Christmas-Break is poison for players, and they always arrive too weak and tired at the Euro or the WC.
>>69024881
of course. english clubs will still be more enticing to an english player than a club like lorient or mainz, both for the pay and the culture/language
but if you're guaranteed a starting xi place that doesn't mean it's a bad move if you're barely getting first team football on the everton or west brom bench
english players are just too comfortable in their ways to change anything
>>69024897
Germany starting 11 in the 1/8 had 3 "foreigners"
>>69023608
>Even we have more medals than them
Wat ? Am I missing something ?
Poland = 0 World cup,0 euros
England= 1 World Cup
APOLOGISE
>>69024908
To be clear Italy always had a few players who played abroad. Prior 2006 i can remember only Zola, Di Matteo and Vialli. After 2006 WC some players like Toni or Grosso begin to move outside Serie A. But nowadays Italian NT is made 90% of Serie A players. Only Verratti, Pellè, Ogbonna, Darmian and Thiago Motta (that is not truly Italian) are playing abroad. But Verratti is the only top-class player in this list, and he is injured
Overrated players getting selected.
Hoofball tactics from 1970s
>Just hoof it upto the big lad innit?
Awful managers like Roy Hodgson
Lack of proper team chemistry
Lack of a proper balance and blend between old experienced players and emerging young talent
No leadership
One dimensional attack
>English goalkeeping
The list is endless.
>>69025056
>hoofball
literally haven't played this for years mate. now we try and pass the ball like spain, but lack the creativity to do it with any meaningful urgency
>>69024150
This
Get a team, work with that team to one system. Then you can learn to adapt on the fly.
>>69025100
>haven't played this for years mate
How long ago was Andy Carroll in the English national team? Also Peter Crouch was unironically in England's starting 11.
>>69025025
True, but it's still better than not a single one. Also Italy has a traditionally solid national squad and good managers, I guess it helps put the players in the right state of mind.
England hasn't won anything for 50 years and hasn't even been close to win anything during that time. All the expectations are fantasy-tier, the players don't seem particularly compelled to give it their all.
>>69025056
>hoofball
Did you watch England at all?
I feel like England din't even get to play a game. 4 games, all opponents played much the same way, with England getting pretty much the same result out of all 3, except in typical England fashion they lose the one that actually mattered.
I think it's for the following reasons, please disagree:
We have a manager that tries to play a defensive side even though he has one of the best attacking squads in the world today. There's no denying our quite young squad has the potential to be world-class given the chance. But let's look at how Woy plays. He plays a squad that favours Sterling and Kane making attacks.
This might work against squads that are going to sit and park the bus against us. Are Iceland going to do that in the round of 16? No, why would they? They've seen us to the exact same thing in the 3 group stages and know that our weakness is quick breaks (exactly the same thing Leicester say in a log of EPL games last season btw).
I think given the squad Roy selected, we owed it to ourselves to actually take a chance on players like Vardy and Rashford. If not, why even bother taking them? It's obviously going to be a risk. Given that, why bother playing them when we're already 2-1 down when they're players that enjoy exploiting an attacking squad and getting behind attacking lines?
I don't even fucking know football, I support Leicester so the most I know about footy is how to fail for 10-20 years and land a good manager that understands how to make a team gel.
>>69024897
Germany: 9/23 foreigners
France: 19/23
Italy: 5/23
Spain: 9/23
Netherlands: 8/23
Portugal: 15/23
Belgium: 19/23
Austria: 22/23 (ok they hardly have a domestic league but they still have 7 in non-German leagues)
even a couple of players in a foreign first team instead of benchwarming in England would be an overall boost in quality
>>69025149
You're talking about a player who was a substitute option 4 years ago, and another player who was a substitute option 10 years ago. So yeah, "for years" is correct.
I know how international football is more of a pick some guys and motivate them but I think the problem with England boils down to shit managers
Check the EPL, the top clubs are getting foreign managers because English football is stuck in a rut with the same old tactics and philosophies
English managers have some catching up to do
>>69025149
4 years ago? also crouch made sense when we had DB in midfield because his long passes were exceptional. although i think "hoofball" would work better than whatever kind of shit system we're trying to play now because at least it's a footballing identity
>>69025149
peter crouch was fucking great fuck you
>>69025180
>France: 19/23
18, but yes.
>>69025150
They care, but choke, and the longer this goes on the more likely the choke when it gets tough.
>Y eng so shite
no local player developement
no play style (even kick-n-rush is no more)
no GK focus
>>69025207
Crouch wasn't a substitute option in 06. England didn't qualify for Euro 08, and then in 2010 it was also the same tired old tactics, except this time with an out of shape fat Rooney and Jermain Defoe leading the line.
>>69025234
Yeah he was good for hoofball and scored some really important goals but all in all he could do nothing else. He had the first touch of a new born gazelle.
>>69024277
>1938
WW2 shaves like 6 years off your total
>>69024040
lol, this is just the thing that they don't realise. it's always the wrong player, at the wrong time, and they've been doing it for past twenty years.
i'll tell you all a little secret, since they are too dumb to realise, it will do no harm for our amusement in the next tournament
english run like idiots! they don't know how to pace themselves, the bigger the match, the dumber they'll play. they run after each dumb ball and into each dumb situation, and in 25th minute they were already dead tired against island that ran when needed and stopped the ball when needed.
germans and italians won turnaments by pacing themselves, and spain figured it out in the last ten years also, now even iceland knows how to do it, they shown it already against netherland, but the english still play like dumb idiots that they are.
so no, rashord from start would do nothing, he'd be spent in fifteen minutes.
>>69025299
They don't really seem to care when I watch them. The last time I've been excited watching England play was in 98 when they had Michael Owen. Rooney's debuts too I guess but otherwise it's bland as fuck.
>>69025310
>Crouch wasn't a substitute option in 06
Technically not, because Rooney was injured for the start of the cup, then Owen got an injury as Rooney came back. It would have been Owen-Rooney had they been fit.
>>69023718
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.
>>69025340
>The last time I've been excited watching England play was in 98
I'm still upset about that.
>>69025310
Yet they were both foreign managers (SGE and capello)
for all this talk of english managers being behind the times, these foreign ones haven't done much better.
>>69025336
can you not type out your post like you're from reddit please
>>69025388
SGE did a lot more with England than Hodge Podge.
>>69025336
Your right but Rashford has a good head on him, he doesn't feel that pressure to chase everything all the time or hit it long
>>69025388
Capello has the highest win percentage with England, and he had a garbage squad (worse than this).
>>69025437
yes, and hodgson went undefeated in qualifying. doesn't mean shit
>>69025383
Me too. Was getting nostalgic watching this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag8fANDq_qc
But then I got sad when he said "just think what he'll be like when he grows up".
what's the difference between hoofball and Leicester counterattacks?
Maybe some englishman can confirm this, or maybe not, but from what I heard they have like extra leagues/cups or something and their players play more matches on average during the season, so they're already spent at the start of international competitions.
If that's true, it might actually be the main problem.
>english used to make fun of iceland beating us twice
>they get knocked out by iceland themselves
KARMA
>Rashford came on for 3 mins and took on a couple of Icelandic players
>Now he's the new hope for England and should have started
What happened to Da Ox even? I know for a fact people were saying the same things about him that they're saying about Rashford now.
England's problem is they don't have tactics or a playing style. They're just all over the place, the goals they score come from simple brute force or a defender mistake. Their crosses and finishing are woeful.
Time to admit Rooney was a mistake and for him to follow Messi in international retirement. Simply didn't live upto all the hype since he was 18 years old.
>>69025500
Hoofball is mindless hit and hope. Leicester ounter attacks actually have some form of tactics behind them.
>>69025477
He was still a monster when he was good. Injuries. I'm more butthurt that Sol Campbell scored a legit goal against Argentina that game that got disallowed. Go watch it.
>>69025519
This will no doubt be Rooney's last international tournament. Although I think he did decently in his first couple of games in the deeper role, he was absolutely woeful tonight when it actually mattered.
>>69025576
just a shit mark noble.
>not bringing in an andy carroll and just knocking balls into the box
>>69025515
There's still no excuse for having landed behind Czech Rep and fucking Turkey, who were among the worst teams at these Euros.
>>69025610
Need to learn how to knock balls into the box first.
>>69025539
He was great and I loved him, but the injuries really ruined everything, sad really.
And yeah I remember it, that game made me pretty mad back then.
>>69025510
THIS
England have 2 National Cups and a League without Christmas Break, and this year you had many teams that went far in Eurocups (City, Liverpool, Tottenham). It's obvious that they are shit in the summer cups.
>>69025510
>>69025673
Other PL players seem to be doing pretty well this Euro though.
>>69025653
There was no obvious target man to aim at. Kane kept on coming deep to receive the ball then pass it backwards while sturridge is stuck on the wing
I unironically think Jürgen Klopp would be the EXACTLY perfect manager for England right now.
But of course the English would never accept a German as their national team coach.
A German queen is okay, but a kraut as English national team coach is a big no-go over there
>>69025725
m8 I would literally suck his cock for klopp to be our manager, even if he does love to lose finals
>>69025725
they literally would though
klopp is well liked even among non liverpool fans
>>69025725
England are so weird in their manager selections. Right now Gareth Southgate is the favorite to become the next manager. That's not showing any ambition at all. Wenger is a choker, but I think he'd implement some sort of system to help England not be such a slow attacking team.
>>69025673
>>69025510
Nope, read this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36443970
>>69025510
These cups only tire the players who actually play them to the end. France has tons of players who play in the PL and they don't seem to have any problem so far. France also has 2 national cups by the way and that's doesn't seem to bother anyone. And most of the time the clubs play these cups with a B team and only get serious in the last stages.
>>69025725
Wouldn't mind Rafa Benitez.
I'll stop watching England altogether if Southgate gets the job. Bigger idiot than Woy.
>>69025768
It's because we, for some reason, have to have an English manager. Even though they're all dog shit.
That and I don't see many other alternatives available right now. Pellegrini?
>>69025768
> Gareth Southgate
Who?
England needs to call a foreigner coach. English coaches are shit, that's a fact
What formation does the youth in the UK learn? Here 4-3-3 is seen as classic and the only "sane" option.
>>69025816
4-4-2 innit lad?
Pass it to the good lad on the wing then hoof it to the big man waiting in the box yeah?
>>69025768
>"gareth southgate, the whole of england is with you"
>"oh it's saved"
WE STILL BELIEVE....
>>69025879
nah, they're trying to imitate spain these days with smaller pitches to emphasize technique
which is ironic, because now tiki taka is dead. always behind the times
>>69023898
>Too many foreigners in the domestic league.
this
>>69025816
Always 4-4-2 never played anything different back when I used to play, sometimes if we were feeling adventurous we would play 4-4-2 Diamond. Tonight Iceland shows that it still works
>>69023608
It's a pity that Nigel Pearson has just landed the managers job for Derby. He would have made the ideal choice for manager of England
>knocked out shamefully
>didn't show one reason to hope for better
>manager out
>unironically considering replacing him with a guy who didn't do anything of note and has barely any experience of the high level
England is pretty much already fucked for the WC 2018, isn't it?
>>69026017
We're fucked in every tournament lad doesn't matter who is managing or who is playing
>>69026091
stop this faggot shit go back train harder and come back with a fully erect dick to the next tournament
>>69026091
France made it to the WC finals with a bunch of retirees and a literally who "managing" the team, England has no fucking excuses to be this bad so consistently.
>tfw arsenal and England fanboy
>going through all crazy emotions after the game
>some sad song comes on a fucking tv advert
>literally start tearing up
>makes me re evaluate my whole life
Football, man. ;_;
>>69026091
>doesn't matter who is managing
Conte is managing a bunch of old guys and guys who failed at Sunderland and doing just fine.
>>69026129
oh look, the expert nation at winning titles is giving out advices
>>69025673
For example? France is the NT with most EPL players and is doing shit. If the euros were hosted in another country they would have been already out.
>>69025173
Your lack of knowledge is truly astounding. I can't believe you don't have my flag.
>>69026220
>first of its group and won it's 1/8
>doing shit
Really?
>>69023608
Send english players in foreign countries. If some young players would have gone to Atletico, PSG, Inter or Schalke, even for one year, they could gain experience and high-level playing, like Beckham and Owen
I think the quality of a national team can generally be deduced by how big a part of its squad is not playing in the national league.
Is there any english player not playing in england?
>>69026211
Your mom has more motile sperm cells in her ass right now than the amount casualties during the World War II. Fuck off and let me cheer up my fellow /sp/artans.
>>69026306
Not a single one.
>>69026306
No one in the English squad would walk it into Bayern, Real, Barca.
>>69026306
not one
even wales has one ffs
>>69026256
Dude you suck, passed the group with 2 last minute goals against ROMANIA and ALBANIA. And you were choking against IRELAND.
Now you another "weak" team like Iceland.
It's because of home-country factor, otherwise you would have gone out in Groups
>>69026362
Deschamps for some reason is keen on trying untested formations / positions, leading to catastrophic 1st halfs.
>>69026324
but getting cheered up by you is like having a homeless guy with no legs pity you
>>69023608
Brits are the new subhumans, while Poles have become superhuman
Much progressive wow
>>69026362
These "weak" teams are rarely easy to play, and we've seen "strong" teams who wish they would have scored at all against them.
I think we're doing fine, it's not a walk in the park but the players are motivated. They conceded the dumbest goal in the first minute but they didn't lose their head, came back strong after half time and went on to win.
Compare that to England's performance tonight.
one of the problems is england are expected to win, for some weird reason. the country invented a sport that everyone else plays, so you can't expect them to win.
iceland on the other hand can celebrate just by being there. everything is gravy, it's a completely different experience for them.
ronaldo was right in a way. being happy to just be there isn't a winning mentality.
belgium, portugal, the netherlands, switzerland, and colombia are all good footballing countries that never win anything but they don't get the same scrutiny as england.
>>69026329
>>69026360
>>69026335
What the fuck, I thought I was just memeing.
Is meme magic real?
>>69026441
This they remind me of Liverpool
>>69025792
Big Sven
>>69026430
meanwhile turks are still cockroaches, nothing new on that front at least
>>69025025
In 2006, Germany, Italy and England had all their players in domestic leagues.
>>69025180
Damn, Ligue 1 is shit as hell. Okay, Lacazette, Rabiot and Ben Arfa are out of this list, but, damn.
>>69025771
In France, a lot of teams are bothered by the Coupe de la Ligue. Even more stupid has you just have to put a B roster and lose.
>>69026512
t. future father in law of a girthy Turk penis
>>69026441
>they don't get the same scrutiny as england.
Maybe cause those teams don't hype themselves up as much as England do.
>>69023608
England has been, as far as I can remember, a mediocre national team. I could never understand how English fans go around acting like they're one of the big guys, when they're not.
The reason why England is mediocre is simple. They have no heart. No passion. They're all juts mercenaries and they couldn't give less of a shit about their "country".
>>69026526
>Blanc had the most plethoric roster
>Blanc had the less number of CdlL matches
>Blanc still complained
>>69026540
>lan aminkakodum
i just died and got revived just to laugh once more
>>69026526
>In 2006, Germany, Italy and England had all their players in domestic leagues.
wrong! England had two players playing abroad
>>69026540
dream on, turkroach
what's the brand of the fridge you live under btw?
>>69026441
>belgium, portugal, the netherlands, switzerland are all good footballing countries that never win anything but they don't get the same scrutiny as england.
They don't get scrutiny because their domestic clubs rarely do anything in the CL, if they even make it to the group stages. England has supposedly one of the strongest domestic leagues in Europe and have won a bunch of CLs, of course there's going to be more expectations for their national squad.
>>69023608
because they all play in the premier league srsly who was the last good english player to not play in england? beckham?
>>69026586
This. There's a tier of national teams.
Top Tier:
Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Brazil(in b4 7-1), Argentina
For some reason, England have always thought they belonged with these big boys cause they won a world cup 50 years ago.
And then there's good but not great teams like Chile, Portugal, Holland, Belgium...England doesn't even belong with these teams, they're more in the company of teams like Sweden, Poland, Austria and the like.
>>69026669
>saves that shit in his computer
LMAO
Live long and prosper, beta, I love you.
>>69026672
netherlands used to have a good presence desu
>>69026715
uruguay is more of a big boy than argentina
>>69026720
>I love you
yeah, but only for 3.7 minutes
>>69024278
>Brazil
>Always do good
let me get this straight, a team with part time dentists, plumbers, and movie producers eliminated the mighty england? my fucking sides.
why are the english still so delusional when even WE, a country who doesn't even show the games on tv, can top a group with them in it.
>>69026733
Yeah but that was like 2, even 3 decades ago. And at the time, even if their national team didn't win anything they still had some good tournaments. England is pretty tragic in that not only they don't win anything, but they don't even make it to the final stages.
>>69024897
Well Germany has quite a few players who play in foreign leagues (in contrast to 10 years ago when Ballack was basically the only one). I think the rise of the national team and the increase of German players in foreign leagues are related. Özil and Khedira for example grew a lot at Real which helped the national team.
imagine if messi was english and they still lost. can you imagine the shitstorm?
>>69026812
Forgetting that Netherlands made it to the WC final in 2010?
>>69023718
>>invent sport
>Its so shit noone wants to play it
>>69026867
Oh right, but that kind of reinforces my point. France's presence in the CL is also limited, with usually only one club doing somewhat ok, yet they won the WC in 98, runner up in 2006, and won the Euro in 2000.
Meanwhile England...
>>69026878
you talking about aussie football m8?
>>69026512
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>>69026765
This shit is gold
>>69026164
Domenech was good actually. But Zidane, Thuram, Vieira and Makelele retiring had just let a big hole in the team and this is why 2008 was a disaster
>>69026362
>>69026411
>>69026432
In the first two games, it wasn't exactly the main 11, because when you spend two years without a single non-friendly game, you need some time to test things on real conditions. Plus, fucking buses. Plus, yeah, 90 minutes, not 89.
Look how we played versus Ireland. >we almost destroyed the boys in green in ten minutes
>>69026595
Laurent Blanc is shit anyways
>>69026769
>only three times not in top 8 in World Cup
>70% possession every single game
>1 (one) win against the garbage Welsh
We are either ACTUALLY cursed or all our players are retarded
>>69026973
>Domenech was good actually.
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i feel bad for the english, honestly.
i don't even watch povertyball either
>>69023608
Shit mentality
Shit tactics
England has always been behind Italy, France and Spain in these fields
>>69026973
That's what I mean, shit teams that play 11 behind aren't easy to score against. There's no shame scoring 2 in the extra time, especially considering a lot of other "strong" teams walked away from such games with a single point.
>>69027023
We have the second worst mentality on the planet but ours is still better than the French
>>69026990
Woy is retarded
Leicester showed you can win games with 30% possession. Woy is still stuck in A Novice's Guide to Football Tactics 1972 Edition.
>>69027005
Before 2008 and his awful speeches (the smell of blood, the wedding demand, "vas te faire enculer, sale fils de pute" from Anelka, etc ...) we was taking good decisions. And then, the '87 generation with Benzema, Nasri, Ben Arfa ...
>Memes aside why England team is so shit?
bad goalkeepers
joe hart is a fucking flop
>>69023608
shit managers, not having an english manager win the league in over 25 years is embarassing
>>69027054
That might be true, but despite the many catastrophic WCs and Euros, France has actually won titles that living people have watched. So what's your excuse?
>diversity is our strength
t. britcuck
>>69027054
at least our ego awakes us in some important times
>>69024804
Hargreaves and Terry were by far the ones that played the best player in that team though
>>69027102
We're bad at football
>hear for years from ignorant fans that you need to stop the United/Arsenal/Liverpool bias in the team and play someone else
>5/11 of your starters are Spurs today
>Lose to fucking Iceland
Lelemao
>>69027077
had no fucken leadership, never accepted and responsibility.
Do note that I also hate FFF leaders for keeping him, Houllier in particular. still mad about him blaming Gino and Le Tallec Pongole carreer burial
>>69026765
Top ceckkk>>69026769
>>69027222
Damn, Le Tallec and Sinama Pongolle, those two players just disappeared like that, poof. Those guys were fucking talented.
But Domenech is a good coach, just not a good coach for THIS team, with such egos (world-class players in 2006 and a bunch of stupid idiots who think we owe them everything in 2008). Put him in every other team, even Portugal (maybe not Sweden with Ibra) and he will do well.
>>69027167
>United/Arsenal/Liverpool bias
Well this year it was Leicester/Arsenal/Spurs so the bias is still clearly there.
>>69026306
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>>69026335
A lad in the u21 team is playing in Holland. He recently tore up a tournament in france, goes by the name Lewis Baker.
Lads, this is historic. When you are 80 years old, wrapped in a blanket and comfy in your rocking chair by an open fire, surrounded by your great-grandchildren; you can tell the spellbound youngsters about the time you saw Sir Wayne Rooney retire from international football after choking against a team of dentists and part timers which has never won any silverware or even qualified for a competition of note in its history, scoring a penalty against the mighty Iceland.
The fire crackles as the children gasp in awe. Snow begins to fall outside the window the your tale comes to an end, but the youngsters are still thirsty for more. 'Tell us about the two he scored against Andorra again Grandpapa' one child begs. 'No, no! The legendary brace vs Kazakhstan!' implores another. The oldest boy pipes up. 'Be quiet you two, Grandad tells those ones all the time. Go on, tell us the one you promised us last time - the penalty vs Slovenia...Grandad..G-Grandad?'
The rocking chair creaks to a halt. A serene expression is on your face and all of Rooney's goals flash before your eyes in your final moments as the children embrace you. His one World Cup goal, The legendary double in Minsk. That tap in against Liechenstien. they know whats happening and are scared, but calm.
The last thing you hear as you slide into the black warmth of death is the youngest boy - old beyond his years, a football fanatic who spends every free moment outside kicking his battered leather ball against the wall 'Dont be sad, he lived a hell of a life...in the age of Rooney.'
>>69027838
10/10
>>69027838
fucking saved
Hiring Roy was a mistake from the beginning.
He was never a good manager and had just come off getting fired from Liverpool.
I dont know who the fuck thought he was a good idea to build a world class team.
>>69028337
hello newfag
>>69028426
>post involves the Iceland game from ~5 hours ago
>"newfag"
wew
>>69024908
I think one of the benefits is that it exposes players to different teams and styles of play. The Bundesliga, Serie A, La Liga, and EPL all have unique styles and cultures that surround their teams. That's not to say that teams from one of those leagues can't play similarly to teams from the other ones, but IMO the overall styles of the leagues as a whole are unique.
>>69026605
pls explain for non-d(e)utschies
I think going out against the dentists is the best thing that could have happened to this England team.
If they had gone through they would have most likely lost narrowly to France, which would have made them consider the Euro a moderate success and would have kept Woy in charge.
They've always had the same problem this past decade's Arsenal has had, they are never good enough to achieve any kind of relevant titles but they always do good enough to leave most fans hopeful for next time or they have something else to blame for their elimination, for instance:
>it's ok, penalties are luck anyway
>Ronaldo got Rooney sent off
>we would have won if the refs had seen that Lampard's goal went through
>we just got unlucky with the draw
>muh injuries
With this they actually have to consider doing a major changes to their entire youth system and league if they rest of Europe to stop laughing.
>>69028426
Wonder how fast this guy ripped all this stuff down and burned it in a bonfire
>>69027838
Fucking gold.
>>69027838
Lol fucking awesome
Playing Rashford in the last 8 minutes? Shittest strat i have seen.
Vardy should have played at least for the first half hour to make quick goals then sub him in.
Iceland midfielders were constantly in defense mode, props to them.
We didn't deserve it
>>69023608
always terrible goalie
look at iceland... just get a good goalie
why are there so many salty australians? An English Queen is still the head of Australia, shows how pathetic those tossers are
>>69025406
> he knows how they type on reddit
>memes aside
Well we can't even have a fucking discussion.
>>69029177
you expect australians to support their national football team during the euro perhaps?
>>69023963
two world wars are one world cup
not bad
>>69026878
Handegg is Rugby prostentized.
>>69027838
It is really weird
we scrap together some MLS dregs and a couple of mid-tablers and play them closely usually lol
>>69026878
I agree, Australian rules football is terrible
>>69027062
a lot of teams are trying (tried? I guess this is more of a 2000-2015 trend) to copy Barca's possession football, but they seem to forget that while yes, Barca plays a pressing game that relies on possession, they've almost always had at least one, but usually, more generational talents up front e.g. Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Rivaldo, etc
England can hold the ball well, but they don't have good enough players to break through a bus
lel
At least we are still better than England
1986 never forget
>inb4 falklands
>>69029986
You surrendered in the Falklands in '82 lad, not '86.
>>69023608
bad luck
at the end of the day everything is luck
why am i able to post this? literally luck and nothing else
>>69026765
>>69023608
because immigrants make EPL look good, not english players, now they have been exposed by leaving the EU , and now again in the EUROs
"You can leave EU and Europe. Also Euro"
Banter
>>69023608
Vardy
tfw we'll never see what could have happened to England with Sir Alex at the helm
>rooney trying to be pirlo and failing miserably
>sturridge on the wings
>sterling
>kane playing like shit, not pressing enough, and taking horrible fucking free kicks
>dele alli basically not knowing what his role in the team even is because roy
>no vardy
>fullbacks constantly up the field to try and provide width because everyone is coming inside, getting caught out of position a lot as a result
>smalling and cahill refusing to send any long balls in whatsoever, only playing it to dier/fullbacks
and of course hart having literally the worst month of his entire career. if you made a ranking of the top 250 managers in the game right now, hodgson would be nowhere near the list
i feel like england is in dire need of some tactics. its league is too physical focused; look at what ranieri did just by bringing some tactics into the mix.
and yet the perception is "our league is the best in the world".
maybe this idea seeps to the NT, which then starts with the "we're so strong" mindset, while in reality they just don't have enough raw talent to win the matches and, when the hard truth hits, they lack the tactics to make up for it.
>>69023608
Money corrupts everything and they never higher the right manager and are so afraid to take risk. Stop hiring old ass white guys to manage your team or some crazy fucking Italians get some hardcore motherfucker that tells the team to unite and play together or to fuck off they all have great individual talent but do not play as a team
>>69031283
This. Englel usually relies on their physicality to win games, but Iceland were BTFOing them in that too.
>>69031303
like Clough? that would never work
>>69031283
it boils down to the way players are developed. a player like marco verrati/modric/iniesta will never come from england because their entire focus is on physicality and physicality alone instead of technical ability/tactical nous
A shocking lack of fighting mentality, wether that stems from being pampered or not being able to handle the pressure of the badge
The footballing culture in England is backwards and proud of it.
I remember as a kid modelling myself on continental players like Baggio, and I was pretty good as an AM but the coaches preferred kids who ran around like Robbie Savage on Aderrall doing absolutely nothing effective but apparently 'working hard'.
>>69031356
this is interesting.
conte and guardiola (other than ranieri) will be there next year, so the tactical level of the league should raise a bit. although to fix the problem you describe, it is going to take quite some time.
>>69024881
I'd rather live in Iberia, France or Italy than the UK if I was rich desu.
>>69031303
>Stop hiring old ass white guys
It's not like old-ass white guys have ever won anything, right? Both as players and as managers, right?
>Shit managers
>Incompetent FA
>Media basically forces managers to shoehorn in players despite how shit they are. I can guarantee if Hodgson axed Rooney (and he should have) the media would eat him alive
>Too much pressure. They are expected to win every tournament (despite not winning shit in ages)
>Too many overhyped players who really are subpar
>>69023963
Our Cricket and Rugby teams are both doing fine at the minute and those are both internationally played sports. It's only the football team that is consistently this mediocre.
So...it's not coming home la?
>>69031428
This. Look at what both our cricket and rugby teams did when they were doing badly. They noticed that Australia was clearly a level above us so hired coaching staff from there to bring us up to date and funnily enough now we're world class in both again.
English football however is proud to be set in its ways and stupidly inept.
>>69024502
This sounds similar to the usual debate between export-based economy and import/consumer-based one
>>69031428
I remember when I was like 10 and did 'football training' on Saturdays when I was still in primary.
It consisted 90% of 'warmups' rather than learning to play the game.
I was shit back then too, had no idea how to even pass a ball, and rather than the coaches telling me/us how to do it, they just tell you to jog and 'warm up'.
My only memory of it is when I tried to kick a ball into the net when everyone was taking a break and hit some kid in the face and he started crying.
And in secondary it was even worse.
I also remember loads of kids, some of whom were my friends, who were really good at football, played in leagues, were #1 regionally, but never went on to play because the system doesn't support them.