Putting the Penaldo meme to one side for a few minutes, who is the true GOAT. Messi or Zidane ?
Zidane
>UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1995
>Serie A: 1996–97, 1997–98
>Supercoppa Italiana: 1997
>UEFA Super Cup: 1996
>Intercontinental Cup: 1996
>UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999
>La Liga: 2002–03
>Supercopa de España: 2001, 2003
>UEFA Champions League: 2001–02, 2015-2016
>UEFA Super Cup: 2002
>Intercontinental Cup: 2002
>FIFA World Cup: 1998
>UEFA European Football Championship: 2000
Ballon D'Or x 1
Messi
>La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16
>Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2015–16
>Supercopa de España: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013
>UEFA Champions League: 2005–06, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15
>UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015
>FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015[377]
>FIFA World Youth Championship: 2005
>Olympic Gold Medal: 2008
Ballon D'Or x 5
>goat
>no world cups
NEVER EVER
>puts a meme aside
>rates Zidane
What did he mean by this?
>>68797321
Im assuming this poster is American, because the post is muted
>>68797309
Will never forget Zidanes goal in the CL final. That slow mo volley was perfect.
>>68797309
there both the goat at there respective positions...
>>68797309
>Zidane champions league 2015-16
Oh, shit. How many goals and assists? You're literally comparing a coach to a player, you stupid faggot.
>using team accomplishments to measure individual greatness
Messi is twice the player Zidane was and if Messi is not the GOAT then it sure as hell is not Zidane either
Forget Messi, Iniesta is better than Zidane.
Zidane was a very good player, one of the best at the time, but nowhere near GOAT standard like messi
Even Ronaldo is a better player
>>68797309
Zidane because he ain't no manlet.
>>68797348
Another muted reply. Must be yet more Americans
>>68797349
Based Polbro telling it how it is.
No one in history even comes close to Messi. The only reason he's even compared to anyone else is because he has become so casually extraordinary. He is effortlessly superhuman. Even by those that recognise him as the GOAT, he is taken for granted. There is no other player that compares with him.
Welsh Xavi>all of them
>>68797400
kek
please be pasta
>>68797407
VERY rare welsh xavi please do not steal
>>68797390
To be fair, what he said was right, comparing Zidanes managerial wins is fucking stupid
Zidane was the best in an era where there were like 30 amazing players
Now it's only CR7 and M5'9''
>3 International Finals in a row with his country
How is this even debate? Messi is GOAT
Stop these shitty b8 threads and just worship the goat, time is fleeting and he'll be gone soon.
>team babbys that only played in stacked teams
>yawn
iniesta is better than zidane
>>68797349
ahahah please. Zidane, Nedved, Figo and Bergakamp were all twice the player Messi is.
>>68797309
Kill yourself
>Not a single EPL
Messi is genetically engineered being from the guys who have made the xenomorphs.
>>68797611
Stop shitposting and go practice free kicks for today's game, Penaldo.
Zizou is there with Pele, Beckenbauer and Memedona
Messi is going to be there when he grows up :^)
>>68797649
Were those the bad guys from Animorphs or something
Messi
>>68797349
>Measuring individual greatness in a team sport
>>68797309
messi has everything zidane has and is a far more clinical consistent finisher. you could easily see messi doing what zidane did (play behind the striker and dictate tempo) with as much success as him, but it's a testament to his finishing ability that he's pushed further forward than zidane ever was
Zidane performed on the world and European stage and lead his national team to glory multiple times. Messi, has not.
really makes you think...
>Measuring individual success using team accomplishments
Wew lad
>>68798047
Only Xavi Iniesta and Cesc have the 3
>>68797320
truth
>>68797499
> Zidane
> best in an era
>>68798547
casillas
ramos
silva
Better question:
France 00 (peak france) or Spain 10 (peak spain)
>>68798547
cazorla too i think
Just think about it. How do you even begin to explain to children in the future how was it seeing Messi play?
>>68797499
no
it was just an era when ibrahimovic and suarez would be considered amazing players due to the lack of messi and ronaldo
Messi isn't better than zidane
Zidane controls the game and always has a presence, should've got 1 more World Cup as well
Messi as shown by Argentina can get phased out
>>68798840
>it was just an era when ibrahimovic and suarez would be considered amazing players
They are now though. Suarez is no.2 in the world.
>Zidane was the best in an era
I don't think so m8. Lets say Zidane's prime started in about 1997, during that period Ronaldo was head and shoulders above everyone, and you could argue Zidane wasn't even top 3 in the world. When R9 got injured Rivaldo took over as the worlds best player. The only years Zidane has a claim for being the best in the world are 2000 and 2001. And if we compare his absolute peak with others from his era (Ronaldo 96-99, Rivaldo 97-00, Henry 03-06, Ronaldinho 04-06, Nedved 02-04, Figo 99-03 etc.) He probably comes behind all of them.
>>68799035
t. someone who actually remembers more from that era than the 98 WC final and 02 CL final
Good post.
>>68797339
I think that was a replay you saw. In real life the goal was not in slow motion.
>>68797320
Zidane is Algerian, he never won a world cup for his country
zidane was a meme showboat player
>tfw Messi is already past his peak
>have a feeling that Donaldo will stick around at the top level for longer
I really hope Argentina wins the next world cup so Messi's legacy will be complete
>>68799474
You forgot the 2006 Brazil meme
This is unironically considered by some here the greatest performance in a match
It's always nostalgia fags who compare Messi to older players, because they are unable to get somewhat of an objective angle on it. If you would ask Beckenbauer if Zidane was a better player than him, his answer would be "of course". The same is true of Zizou, who was very good in his time, but Messi is a product of a different and better time. If you can't see how much football evolved, you should move to the US.
zidane is a really overrated player, messi is far more accomplished ability wise
but people tend to focus on world cup performances and clutch moments to rank players
>>68797518
>finals appearances are trophies now
m8, you go to finals to win it
fanboys can't be this stupid
>>68799606
Why is it only football where fags say 'hurr muh advancements everyone is better now'?
You never hear anyone say the current best basketball player is better than Jordan, or the current best hockey player is better than Gretzky.
The difference between the late 90s/early 00s and now is minimal. Every top player from that era would also be a top player today.
>>68799724
You haven't been in any NBA thread if you believe this
>>68799519
Remember watching it live and it looked slow mo to me. Seemed an age to the time the ball was crossed and him hitting the perfect volley. One of the finest moments in football imho.
>>68799724
Because back in the 90s basketball players weren't all alcoholics
>>68799779
>the ''''''''''flu'''''''''''' game was Jordan having a hangover
>Dennis Rodman
>Considered the GOAT team
>>68799779
Neither were footballers. Some drinked and smoked, but so do some players today too.
>>68799779
This.
Arsene Wenger was considered a revolutionary coach in the late 90s because he was telling his players to keep a healthy diet and not drink before a game
>Rivaldo
>Figo
>Nedved
None of these players could dictate a game like Zidane could.
Rivaldo was a fucking meme babby
>>68799474
Lets not ever forget the acomplishment of that france team.
They beat ronaldo and and brasil when they were still a powerhouse.
The fact that brasil is so shit right diminish the GOAT potential of this era.
>>68799882
>They beat Ronaldo when he was a powerhouse
When was this?
>>68797309
>>>68799606
>
>Why is it only football where fags say 'hurr muh advancements everyone is better now'?
>
>You never hear anyone say the current best basketball player is better than Jordan, or the current best hockey player is better than Gretzky.
Nba fags say it all the time. Most of it is trolling though.
>>68797309
In his last game Zidane proved that he is literally the GOAT
>>68799851
Rivaldo carried Barca for years and was the best player/joint best for Brazil in 4 major tournaments.
>>68799882
They only beat them because of Ronaldo having a fit the night before, and the team had to prepare with Edmundo instead, which fucked up their game plan.
>>68799893
Come on. 1998 brasil.
>>68799956
>frogs poison him
>powerhouse
>>68799767
Pure moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFfomw-Z4uE
The 98 France was a dominant defensive team. Zidane actually had a terrible world cup before the Finals and even missed two games, one of which was the last 16 tie against Paraguay, cause he stamped on some Arab in the group stage game.
as long as you can put "but he never held a world cup" after listing a player's achievements he will forever be one of those guys not good enough to hold one
>>68799956
I wanna find a footage of that final game in HD (YES HD) only was broadcasted in some Japanese TV that day, I saw that before in Youtube but isn't there anymore.
>>68797611
>>68797309
They played different positions, you can't really compare them.
>>68798664
>France 00 (peak france)
France 00 had the same players at their peak, but France 98 was a better team (due to better defence)
>>68801063
Also Zidane peaked much later because he came from fucking Cannes and Bordeaux, not from GOAT Barça with la GOAT Masia.
>>68802451
I thought Cannes had a very renowned academy.
>>68797349
/thread
>>68802483
Cannes is okay, but it's no Masia. Also it makes you play with Cannes (a meme team) in a shitty league...
While before the age of 20, Messi was playing Champions League games with his mates Xavi and Ronaldinho, with top-class staff to prepare him, etc.
Guess why Zidane didn't win a CL at 19 years old then.
>>68797309
>Ballon D'Or
Meaningless.
Zidane for me.
As a 36 year old it's funny seeing so many people younger than I remember zidane as any sort of GOAT, he was one of my favorite players ever but he isn't even in the same universe as Messi
Are you telling me that Busquets is more candidate to GOAT than Messi?
>>68797321
Holy fuck why do Americans even discuss this sport.
Just fucking off yourself you fucking subhuman piece of shit.
>I've been supporting el bartselona for 2 years, messi is the goat!!!
Ronaldo.
>>68803723
Cruijff, Maradona, Henry etc etc countless legends and present greats all say he's the greatest to ever play
I think I'll take their word over some penny pinching scumbag who should be gassed
>>68804644
Who is "he"? Messi? I never said I think Zidane is better than Messi you braindead cunt.
What I said is that you're a cretin for implying that Zidane is a meme player. It's understandable that you missed that though, you're probably to busy ducking under bullets to thoroughly read replies.
>>68804644
>he's the greatest to ever play
All those say he is the best player right now and better than Ronaldo. I an having trouble finding them say he is the best of all time. I don't even think Pep has said that, but I think Wenger has. Also I don't understand why we lump forwards, midfielders, defenders, and keepers together. People should specify more often when they say someone is the best. Also you should learn to think for yourself more instead of parroting opinions; Pele for instance said Neymar was better than Messi when Neymar was at Santos.
>>68805254
Pele's opinion is worth less than dirt. He just keeps stirring shit in a desperate bid to remain relevant.