Let's settle the discussion once and for all.
Who is better, CR7 or Messi?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10541640
>>68748855
>Let's settle the discussion once and for all.
This hasn't been a discussion since ~2011
Iniesta is better than both.
>>68748883
Except parts of 2013, 2014, parts of 2016, parts of 2015
You know, how most reasonable not dickriders would see it
>>68748855
The discussion is closed since 2010. Messi is the best in history.
>>68749063
>Except parts of 2013, 2014, parts of 2016, parts of 2015
Uhmm, no. The only topic of debate in 2013 and 2014 was who's better at that very moment since Messi was injured for half of 2013 and a few months in 2014, not who's the greatest footballer of the modern era.
>>68749186
>durrr hurrr messi was injured
This is such a stupid excuse, Ronaldo has had plenty of injuries, sometimes at the same time, including 2013 and 2014, and this season. This is not an argument
The point is that it hasn't been an end of discussion since 2011, there have been numerous points where you could argue Ronaldo was better at the time
Get the giant manlet cock out of your ass for once
>>68749714
>there have been numerous points where you could argue Ronaldo was better at the time
Wow, so almost exactly what I said.
Too bad this thread is about the best footballer of the modern era and this discussion has been closed for years.
>>68749749
>wow so almost exactly what I said
Actually it wasn't even remotely close to anything you said. You said it wasn't even remotely debatable at any point, it has been, and you brought up bullshit injury excuses that were easily refutable
You should touch up on your human language
>>68749776
>Actually it wasn't even remotely close to anything you said
>The only topic of debate in 2013 and 2014 was who's better at that very moment
The topic of who's better overall has been closed since 2011. Messi is far more skilled, has many more team trophies and more personal accolades.
>>68749814
>the only topic of debate is these two years
So in other words, it hasn't been case closed, at all, and there have been points where you could actually argue it. And no those aren't the only points of contention, just the ones you decided to address
Looks like someone is rigging the poll for Messi
>>68749953
yeah, common sense
>>68749988
>doesn't mean he's better overall
You're a fucking moron
Here's what you said
>CASE CLOSED NO DEBATE SINCE
>>Well that's just simply not true, there have been many points including entire seasons where this wasn't the case
>LOL THAT DOESNT MEAN MESSI ISNT THE BEST HAS BEEN SINCE 2011, MUH INJURIES
>>Well here's where your wrong on that
>LOL YOUR RETARDED THIS IS WHAT I MEANT
You're a stupid fucking subhuman, please learn to speak human before talking to one
>>68749906
You're so dumb it's not even funny.
Just because there were some points in time when Ronaldo might have been better doesn't mean he's better overall. There were many points, even entire seasons, when Pavel Nedved was better than Zidane, it doesn't mean that Nedved should be called the best midfielder of the late 90s/early 00s.
>>68750026
Why do you seem to think that typing my opinions in full caps, omitting 50% of them and adding a few lols and muhs makes them incorrect?
The debate on who's better overall has been closed since 2011. Just because there were moments afterwards when Ronaldo was better doesn't mean that there were moments when he was the best footballer of the modern era, which is the question OP asked.
There wasn't a single moment post-2011 when you could have said that Ronaldo has surpassed Messi as the best player of our time
>>68750091
It's sad, I didn't omit anything, those are your words surmised into your idiotic spastic attitude. You're literally getting mad at capital letters
>has been closed since 2011
This is where you are wrong, and fail to realize, you even acknowledge there are points where this has been contendable
You are either pathetically backtracking this time or just have a very poor grasp of English. You cannot say there are contendable points then say "CASE CLOSED"
>which is the question
And our discussion has been about your idiotic dismissive case closed remarks
Again, it hasn't been case closed since 2011
>where you could have said Ronaldo surpassed Messi as the best player of all time
No, but as the better player
And no, OP didn't say "The best player of the modern era" that's something you've fallen back onto to make up for the fact you are utterly wrong on this 2011 thing
And yes there have been single moments that you acknowledge and bullshitted with easily refutable excuses
Stop being such a retarded fanboy, it is absolutely cringeworthy to read, I myself think Messi has been better in your arbitrary little time period, that doesn't mean it hasn't been a case closed question, numerous periods where Ronaldo was the better player
>>68750215
>OP didn't say "The best player of the modern era"
The question in the strawpoll literally says "Who is the best player of modern times?".
Can you fuck off now?
>>68750272
polish cr7 fan detected
>>68750272
The question in the OP said that, my mistake
That's like a fraction of my entire point though, but very tactical cherrypicking though, an idiot like you would take that as something valuable
The point is, you said "case closed since 2011" and have backtracked constantly, and you are simply wrong on this which is the main point
Now you please fuck off
>>68750327
*didn't say that
>>68750327
Name one moment post-2011 when you could've said "Cristiano Ronaldo is the best footballer of our era" (not "Cristiano Ronaldo is better than Messi right now") and explain how exactly did he surpass him.
There has not been such a moment since 2011.
>>68750412
We literally already discussed this and you acknowledged it but refuted it with "muh injuries" which was complete bullshit
Kek. Why do Polish people love sucking Messi's cock?
>>68750412
Nice calculated goalpost moving again btw
>>68750422
I acknowledged that there have been points in time when Ronaldo was better in THAT VERY MOMENT. Not that there have been points when Ronaldo could've been considered the best player of our time.
Being better at one moment doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. There were also points when Neymar, Suarez, Iniesta, Muller, Robben, Bale etc were better than Messi (and Ronaldo too). Doesn't mean that they're in the discussion for the best footballer of the era.
>>68750480
>could've been considered best player of our time
Moving the goalposts again, it's really not relevant anyways since we're still arguing the same thing I suppose and since when in God's name could you conclusively say Messi was the best of all time in 2011? That's utterly absurd
>doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things
Except in this argument
>were better than Messi
For much shorter periods of time and to lesser degrees than Ronaldo
Clearly if there have been points where you question this post 2011, then it is completely relevant to the discussion
You're just trying to deliberately confuse everyone at this point to save face, unsuccessfully I might add
>>68749953
>muh keylor navas
>muh halal madrid
>muh cr7
>inb4 pu70
Ronaldo is not even a top 10 player from 2000-2016
Messi is arguably top 3 all time
>>68750560
>Ronaldo is not even a top 10 player from 2000-2016
>flag
>post
>>68750524
>Moving the goalposts again
Those were the goalposts since the original post. "Who is the best footballer of our time?".
>since when in God's name could you conclusively say Messi was the best of all time in 2011?
Not "all time", but OUR TIME, you fucking retard. It was a debate in 07-11 and in 2011, Messi pulled away really far and Ronaldo has not come close enough to reopen the debate.
>Except in this argument
Then name the moment when Cristiano Ronaldo could've been seriously called the best player of our time.
I suppose if there was such moment it could be mid 2014, after Messi's down year. But I still can not think of the criteria you'd have to apply to make a good case for Ronaldo being the best of the era in mid 2014.
>>68750650
>since the original post
But you talked about since 2011, clearly this hasn't been the case, since it has been debatable at numerous points, meaning numerous periods of times
>but OUR time
Now you're cherrypicking at fucking semantics, congrats you dumb fucking subhuman
>in 2011, Messi pulled away really far
According to you
>and Ronaldo has not come close enough
Clearly not, again, you acknowledged this, came up with bullshit excuses, and then just tried to argue non-existent semantics
>name the moment
Again, we literally discussed this, how many fucking times do I have to get this through your manlet cock stuffed thick skull?
This isn't hard
I'll make this simple for you
It has not been case closed since 2011, you'd have a better argument by saying this season or 2015, the fact of the matter is that Ronaldo has shown to be the better player at numerous periods since 2011
Is that so hard to understand even though you even acknowledged it
Your stupid ass is literally only arguing stupid semantics at this point
>>68750731
And by better player, it's more to say, the case hasn't been closed at all, just in case you sperg out from this
Who the fuck voted for CR?
fucking autists
>>68750559
>it's a "Mexican gets arrogant before getting fucked in the ass" episode
>>68749012
He's better than Ronaldo but not Messi
>>68750773
All me
>>68750731
>it has been debatable at numerous points
Name those points. Note that being better at one point in time (or even having a better season) does not open the debate on who's had the better career.
>According to you
Me and many others. This was the year when Messi won the league (his 5th, Ronaldo had 3 at the time) after blowing out Ronaldo's team 5-0 and the CL (his 3rd, Ronaldo had 1 at the time) after scoring one of the best goals in CL history against Ronaldo's team and then putting on one of the best performances in CL final history. I'd say that's enough to claim Messi pulled away in this race in 2011.
>Clearly not, again, you acknowledged this, came up with bullshit excuses, and then just tried to argue non-existent semantics
Ronaldo being better in the year 2013 does not reopen the debate on who's the best of our era. If having a better year is enough to open a discussion like that then we should also include Suarez since he had a better 2014 than Messi.
>Again, we literally discussed this, how many fucking times do I have to get this through your manlet cock stuffed thick skull?
Yeah, we did. And you still did not name a moment when Ronaldo could've been considered the best player of our era.
Look at Ronaldo vs Iniesta. Personally, I think Ronaldo is better but if someone puts greater emphasis on other skills/achievements/trophies then there is a case to be made that Iniesta has had a better career, hence, it's a debate. There hasn't been such a debate between Messi/Ronaldo since 2011. And if there was, please point me to the exact moment and how could one make a case for Ronaldo being the best of an era at that point in time.
>>68750917
>name those points
We literally fucking discussed this you dumb aspie
>me and many others
No, you're the only person saying 2011
Your argument about 2011 completely ignores their seasons overall were very close, team and individually, the CL being a very controversial series esepcially
>I'd say that's enough
That's because you're a retarded fanboy
>does not repoen the debate
Yes it does, entirely, especially since it's 1 or 2 (depending on how you count it) years removed from 2011
>we shoudl also include Suarez
The difference here is that Suarez wasn't in contention with the two since 2011
>yeah we did and you stil ldid not name a moment
We literally have, we are literally discussing it now you dumb fucking retard, this is about disputing your claim since 2011, if there are NUMEROUS points especially very close to 2011 where this is not the case, then clearly sayign since 2011 is fucking retarded
You are such a deluded fanboy you are willing to look as fucking stupid as possible for the sake of an autistic manlet that does not even know of your pitiful existence
You are pathetic. And dumb. Congratulations
>>68751007
I asked for one simple thing.
How does one justify naming Ronaldo as the greatest player of our era post 2011?
If there is no way to justify saying that then how can it be called a debate?
>>68751059
Because there have been numerous points since 2011 where that has been in debate you fucking retard
This is literally been spelled out for you multiple times and you fail to even remotely understand it because you're a retarded autistic fanboy
You are saying CASE CLOSED SINCE 2011
This is not the case to anyone except your retarded ass
>>68751087
Then tell me HOW was it still a debate post 2011. For an issue to be a debate, there must be a compelling case to be made for both sides of an argument. Some retards claiming otherwise doesn't make something a debate, we do not say that there is a debate on whether Earth is flat just because there are quite a lot of people who still claim it is.
The last time when one could've made a compelling case for Ronaldo the best player of our era was late 2010/early 2011. If you think otherwise, then tell me how does one justify saying that after 2011.
>>68751153
You are literally the dumbest sack of shit on Earth, if there are points like in 2013 and 2014 and parts of other years like we already fucking discussed then it clearly hasn't been cased close since fucking 2011 you gigantic retard
>the last itme
According to you and no one else, because you're a fucking retard, we discussed this multiple times, you are a hopeless fucking aspie who needs to get a life outside the autistic manlet
>>68751187
If you think it was a real debate in 2013 then tell me how could someone justify saying "Ronaldo is the greatest player of our era" in 2013.
And if there was no way to justify saying that then why do you think it was a debate?
The pollack is right here, since 2011 there's no real debate about which one is better.
>inb4 somethe amerifat will sperg out about some cold and hot streaks
Messi was better than Ronaldo in easily 90% of the games
>>68751347
Here you are yet again fucking backtracking and moving the goalposts
This puts it into debate, it doesn't make it conclusive, it puts into debate, I literally don't know how much more I have to shove this into gigantic fucking dumb ass
You are utterly hopeless, if there is a question, if there are even seasons where Ronaldo has been better, then this clearly puts it into question, your original reference point of 2011 is an already arbitrary point to begin with
You don't understand this because you are a fucking retard. Get help
>>68751371
Except 2013, 2014, and parts of other years
>>68751416
If you think the answer was inconclusive in 2013 then what were the arguments for Ronaldo being the greatest player of our era back then?
If you think the answer was inconclusive then surely there must've been some.
Answer that and I'll admit you're right.
>this amerilard sperging out
lol, just accept you're wrong bruh
>>68751491
This is what your retarded ass keeps not fucking understanding, it puts into question, meaning it makes Messi's contention for being the best since 2011 utterly wrong
I'm sorry you're a subhuman European who can't comprehend basic fucking human
This is literally the most simple concept
>Messi is undisputed since 2011
>well except these years where he wasn't
That fucking simple
>>68751503
Messhit fanboys are pathetic
>B-but he score hattrick against the mighty Wolfsburg
>B-but he score more than 30 goals every year in la liga
>>68750773
Arabs. They're unironically his biggest fanbase.
>>68751550
As opposed to the literal majority no-life autists on /sp/ that voted for Messi
>>68751550
Arabs are the hands down worst sports fans. Biggest fucking bandwagoners on the face of the Earth.
The one who gets a Copa America/Eurocup first.
>>68751522
You still have not explained HOW does it put it into question. You have trouble understanding the difference between having a better season and having the better career. Just having a better season does not open that debate when the other player still has more team trophies, more individual accolades, better career stats and more purely footballing skill.
Andriy Shevchenko having a better year than Ronaldo in 2004 did not open the debate on who's the best striker of the 95- era, since Ronaldo was still clearly the superior overall player when taking their entire careers into account. Just like Messi's career > Ronaldo's career, even when Ronaldo was having a better individual year.
>>68751579
>it's really chinks though
>>68751561
Do you really trust more a normie casualfag which will see CR7 as the handsome strong athlete than the autistic fan that autistically analyze and follow each game and have rightfully concluded that the manlet is the GOAT???
>>68748855
It's simple, when there is some promising players they will be called next messi , nobody called next c.ronaldo
>>68751608
I've explained multiple times, I can't possibly imagine how you can't think that a player having multiple years, especially after 2011, being better than Messi completely shuts up that Messi has been undisputably better than 2011
Like how fucking actually retarded are you, serious question, it is utterly incomprehensible how you cannot understand this, I can only assume your absolutely autistic obsession with Messi is clouding this
I have literally flat out layed out both our arguments clearly and concisely and you still don't get it, you are a worthless and hopeless autist
>just having a better season
How about 2? How about decent parts of other seasons?
God you are so fucking clueless, it is absurd. You said since 2011, there are excpetions, like 2013 and 2014, meaning Messi hasn't been undisputed since 2011. God you are fucking stupid
>>68750773
me
[spoiler]did it for the memes[/spoiler]
>>68751656
>I've explained multiple times
No, you keep dodging the most important question. All you do is keep sperging out about Ronaldo being better for some periods of time without explaining how did this make his career arguably better than Messi's.
How could someone argue for Ronaldo having had the better career post 2011? If you can't answer that then it means there was no debate.
>>68751719
I haven't dodged anything. You've just been ignoring the entire fucking point this entire time and completely strawmanning everything.
>how did this make his career arguably better than Messi's
It doesn't, this isn't the fucking discussion you fucking retard, no matter how many more times you move the goalpost, it proves that it is inconclusive and fucking demolishes your original stupid point about it being undisputed since 2011
You are a fucking hopeless retard
>>68751719
>this isn't the fucking discussion
But it literally is the discussion. The OP's question was "Who is the best football player of modern times?".
To me, being the best player of a certain era means being the best in terms of skill and backing it up with team trophies and individual accolades. 2011 was the year when Messi pulled ahead in all of those categories as this was the year when his skillset has almost fully evolved, his team won a lot of trophies with him as the leader and then he was presented with multiple personal accolades for that year.
When a player is more skilled (skill at their peak and over the course of the player's career) and has more personal and team trophies then, in my opinion, it closes the discussion on who was the best. Messi has been ahead in all those categories since 2011, and even when Ronaldo was better in 2013 and 14, it still didn't let him overtake Messi in any of those.
I just can not imagine anyone making a case for Ronaldo being the best football player of modern times, even back in 2013. And if you can not make a case like that then there is no debate.
>>68751881
>it literally is
Then you said "it's been cased close since 2011", you even acknowledge Ronaldo has had two seasons and different points in other seasons where he has clearly been better and where this has been put into debate
Your fundamental misunderstanding of this simple fucking point and everything involved with it, makes anything else you've said, utterly worthless and unworthy of being acknowledged of
In short, you're a stupid fucking autistic fanboy who should get help
>>68751903
What has been put into debate in 2013 and 2014 was whether Ronaldo was better in 2013 and 2014 (and rightly so, it was a debate with Ronaldo winning that particular debate).
It did not put into debate whether Ronaldo is the best footballer of the modern era. And if you think it did, then explain how.
why do people keep saying Cristiano is the best?
I mean, last 2 RM champions has been thanks to Ramos/Bale. Bale is way better right now than that fucking crybaby.
CR7 is not relevant now. The fucking press and /sp/ autist keep bringing him
>>68751951
>what has been put into debate
You are fucking hopeless
Utterly hopeless
>it did not put into debate
It puts into debate your claim that Messi has been the best or been the better player since 2011, making both claims inconclusive
You are a pathetic excuse of a human being. Your life is literally dictated by Messi. You are worthless
>>68751969
>thanks to Ramos/Bale
In the final, the one just a few weeks ago he scored the winning penalty
Literally /sp/ is the only place that actually thinks Ronaldo is some irrelevant player now
Better dribbler, finisher, passer, vision etc etc
Messi
Only delusional spics and kebabs think this is even a discussion, it hasn't been up got debate in years
Suarez > PK7
>>68751990
>in years
To retarded fanboys like you
>>68751970
>your claim that Messi has been the best or been the better player since 2011
Where did I claim that? Just because Messi hasn't been continuously the better player doesn't put into question his status as the best player of the era.
What hasn't been up to debate is who is the best player of the era.
What has been up to debate is who was the best player at that particular time.
Two very different things, you can be unquestionably the best player of the era without being currently the best player in the world.
>>68749814
>has many more team trophies and more personal accolades.
Who gives a fuck? The fact that he isn't a low IQ hack and can go through defenses like you wouldn't believe matters. Him winning La Liga doesn't. He didn't do that alone.
>>68752030
>where did I claim that
This conversation is over. You're a fucking retard, fuck off
>>68750215
>This is where you are wrong, and fail to realize, you even acknowledge there are points where this has been contendable
>You are either pathetically backtracking this time or just have a very poor grasp of English. You cannot say there are contendable points then say "CASE CLOSED"
You are by fat the stupidest faggot I've seen all week.
And that's saying something.
Nobody gives a fuck if Ronaldo is better than Messi for brief periods. Everyone knows that Messi is the better player, regardless of form, including TSUU himself.
>>68748855
Those results. Did Messi ask Suarez and Ryu to make multiple accounts?
judging by this thread the only thing dumber than slavs are americans
who would've thunk
>>68752000
>tf
>tt
od
>>68752041
>Who gives a fuck? The fact that he isn't a low IQ hack and can go through defenses like you wouldn't believe matters. Him winning La Liga doesn't. He didn't do that alone.
Literally the first thing I mentioned was "far more skilled". Skill is always more important than trophies but you can't just disregard what a player won.
>>68752069
Your opinion doesn't matter, you don't understand the discussion like slavic compatriot. Here's your (you), Omar
>>68752098
Your flag and opinion on any topic is worthless, you are from a cloudy sunless shithole where there they tolerate an entire fucking city of degenerate autism and heroin addicts
>>68752128
´>being this mad
careful not to get shot the next you leave your home
>>68752134
You're so mad you can't even greentext correctly
Careful not to kill yourself like every other cucked scandinivan
>>68752153
>>68751979
Final by penultis is something great now?
Wow. That match was shit and CR7 was fucking nothing the entire match and you are telling me he is RELEVANT?
L2football, soccer scum
>>68752118
I understand it perfectly. You're an unintelligent autist, the worst kind.
>>68752227
Nobody said great, just mot irrelebant youre also blatantly ignoring everything leading up to the final
How about you learn to anything, spicco
>>68752276
You clearly don't, because otherwise this wouldn't be an issue and we wouldn't be having this little discussion
You're just being a spiteful fucking autist because an American is being opinionated about soccer, more specifically the autistic manlet your worthless fucking life revolves around
People who voted for Ronaldo, how do you justify this?
>>68752289
but he is irrelevant
put nacho or whoever up there and could have done a better job
>>68752297
>soccer
nah you're just an idiot
>Amerilard BTFO so hard and resort to insulting in the end
>Can't even explain why Ronaldo better, because there isn't any lmao
>>68748855
>no Buffon
I refuse to answer
>>68751979
>Scored winning penalty is accomplishment now
WEW LAD
>>68752319
Keep in mind I haven't once said Ronaldo is actually the better player, that's not even remotely the discussion
Unfortunately you're just a malnourished retard impoverished retard like all these other fanboys that have nothing to attack my argument with other than stupid shit like this >>68752316
It's cringeworthy fanboyism because people like you have nothing else to celebrate or live for besides the accomplishments of an autistic manlet spic
>>68752314
Now you're not even trying
>>68752335
That's not an argument, and that's only a portion of what I had to say
Of course you're a dumb worthless shitskin who still struggles for grains of rice so I don't understand you to pick up simple linguistic cues that a regular human being understands. Enjoy the Warriors shirts
>>68752358
*don't expect you
>>68752316
>>68752349
the discussion is literally who is the better player you dumb ameridumb
>>68752349
Literally. The average Pole is better off than the average murican
>>68752372
is that based ove sprogoe?
>>68752358
What he is doing in 120 minutes in final ? nothing.
>>68752377
And then it went to something about 2011
Perhaps if you didn't conform to your autistic Neanderthal genetics you'd comprehend something so simple
But of course since my flag is the one everyone in the world is jealous of and I'm making an opinion contrary to the only worthwhile thing in your life, you'll act very irrationally in the face of truths
The only people who gennuinely do not get this, are doing it out of spite, so me even talking to you at this point and just making you feel bad about yourself is not worth it
>>68752349
American reading comprehension as usual i see
>>68752381
That's literally not true, but okay. Keep deluding yourself into thinking you'd actually want into a slavic shithole
>>68752397
Literally repeating an already discussed point
>>68752358
>Malnourished
>Retard
>Impoverished
>American
Choose all 4
>>68752297
Dude. Shut the fuck up, you are embarrassing our entire country with your extreme retardation. How can you POSSIBLY have reading comprehension that is this poor? I am genuinely impressed.
>>68752405
>Denmark
>Based flag
>Oldest flag in the world
>>68752409
A worthless third world shitskin retard being a worthless third world shitskin retard as usual I see
Do you honestly think any of your insults have any weight? You literally live in a complete shithole of a country and your life is dependent on some autist manlet that will never know you, you live in a dilapidated worthless shithole and will struggle to make anything of yourself in your life
But hey at least you called me stupid!!!
>>68752421
Which post m8? all i see you are trying divert attention Messi not the best just because he doesn't win CL in 2014 and 2016.
>>68752405
>penaldo fanboy being this mad
cheer up lad
>>68752436
Hahaha you are so mad and write whole paragraph resort to insulting again
>>68752444
And you're a worthless piece of shit Messi fanboy crying knowing his entire worthless existence is being put into question right now
>>68752459
I don't really care, you're probably gonna kill yourself from a combination of extreme malnourishment and realizing you'll never amount to anything
>>68752459
The funny part is, he literally has no clue about the development of the eastern EU countries over the past couple of decades.
Eastern EU has progressed.
The US has regressed
>>68752440
Nobody is diverting attention from anything, we literally just discussed how Ronaldo wasn't irrelevant in the CL in 2014 and 2016, specificially outside the finals, in 2016 he still scored the winning penalty
>>68752462
no lad I can just acknowledge messi as the superior player
>>68752472
>>68752462
Really. Stop. You are embarrassing yourself.
>>68752424
>Malnourished
>American
this doesn't add up
>>68752472
>i don't care
>still replying
Thanks for all the (you) m8
>>68752474
I'm sure it's a massive accomplishment to go from a 1 room family apartment in europe to a 1 room family condo
>>68752472
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/malnutrition/by-country/
The USA: 119
Poland: 135
So that's factually wrong. But hey, anything can be proved with facts
MESSI GOAT !!!!
>>68752483
Cringeworthy post
>>68752491
I'm saying I don't care in reference to whether or not you think I'm mad. I care whether or not you inevtiably end up killing yourself
>>68752480
>Ronaldo wasn't irrelevant in the CL in 2014 and 2016,
HAHAHAHAHA best joke today
>>68752492
>europe is a country
this is a classic among amerifats
>>68752486
>>68752436
>a grown man wrote this
>>68752480
lol penaldo
>>68752509
I love when people starting to misstype to see how mad he is
>>68752501
That'd be a real argument breaker if we were even talking about Poland, but of course you're such a butthurt retard you can't even differentiate things that are literally upside down opposites lol
>>68752510
Literally the top goalscorer in each one
>>68752480
Penalties. Literally this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LXiRCCB68E
>>68752526
>misstype
Lmao, time to go back to the cave, monkey
>>68752528
I'm actually from SoCal :) Just based in DK for some time.
>>68752536
What exactly is your point? That he didn't score the winning penalty?
>>68752547
That scoring a penalty doesn't make you relevant
>>68752542
That doesn't even matter, that literally has nothing to do with the conversation lol
Ronaldo fans when they talk about messi
>>68752557
It's literally the champions league winning penalty
>mandrama
Kek, what a fucking fag you are
>>68752539
>>68752567
the players before him who also scored were just as relevant in the victory as he was
>>68752480
It's one thing to score the winning penalty after you scored a necessary open play goal in regular time, like he did in 2008 or like Drogba in 2012, another to book yourself as the last kicker to pretend you did shit that night, which he did in 2014 and 2016.
As for who's the best: the striker that is the most likely to be able to do it by himself is.
No idea why "best player in the world" is just limited to goal scorers with the kids nowadays (i value central midfielders who are the ones always on the ball more), but even as goal scorers, what makes Messi and CR7 so much more transcendent to Lewy or Zlatan? Because CR7 and Messi play for the most loaded teams in the world for the leagues watched by the most people in tne world? Basically its a popularity contest between who is the best goal scorer watched by the Spanish-speaking and English-speaking people (who don't watch the French or German league where Zlatan and Lewy are) limited just to goal-scorers (not the most important player for a team but most important for fans who don't understand the game much and just think the person scoring the goal is the best/most important player on tne team bc they don't understand the game much)
>>68752567
Well, who scored the winning penalty of the 2003 final?
Noone cares now. Only the winning team will be remembered.
>>68752580
He literally scored the winning penalty, THE winning penalty
It makes him relevant, it doesn't mean he played a good game
>>68752581
He did do shit in 2016, it's the winning penalty, he played a shit game but had one of the biggest and most crucial if not the most crucial moment
>>68752594
Shevchenko, many people who aren't retards like you know that and care
Obviously the team is more remembered but that has nothing to do with the discussion
>>68752599
Well, then who scored the winning penalty in 2003? Who missed the decisive penalty in 2001?
You'd literally have to look it up on Wiki.
>>68752586
This is what makes messi goat , he is not just a scorer he creates opportunities for other player and his owns instead of tap in and penalties
>>68752567
Making a penalty is like praising a kicker in Football for making a 40 yard FG. Should be automatic. Even if the 40 yard FG won the Super Bowl in the last second, no one gives the kicker the MVP. Esp when he was shit the whole game and missed 3 early FGs like Ronaldo did.
>>68752053
>>68751970
>>68751903
Honestly this american is close to the biggest sperg I've ever seen
>>68752620
You took 5 mintues to reply.
Had to look it up on Wiki
>Taking 5 minutes to look something up on wikipeadie
>2016
>Literally
>>68752619
>>68752610
Now you're talking about remembering and not just plain relevance in the final, two things
>>68752641
You're so mad and butthurt about being stupid you not only responded to the wrong post but also think one minute in post time, 5 seconds after my previous post is 5 minutes
>>68752637
You're literally only saying to be a spiteful fucking autist and like every other retard because it involves the manlet you worship
>>68752627
Should be but isn't, please pay attention and realize that I am saying it makes Ronaldo relevant in the final, not that he even played well
>>68752620
A goal is a goal, stop being a child
>>68752509
Goddamn you're dumb.
>>68752675
And you're a worthless piece of shit, anything else you'd like to add, fag?
>>68752671
a goal its a goal even if its not scored by the creator of the play
>>68752694
Ronaldo assists a lot too, I don't see your point
>>68752707
right sure he does
>>68752658
whether trolling or not I feel sorry for you
>>68752658
No actually, >>68752637 is right. You are an autistic, retarded, sperglord-mongoloid. I'm sorry it took you so long to find out, senpai.
messi pros:
gifted with dribble
good left foot for shots kicks
influencial playmaker
messi cons:
spritebaby
pizza addict
manlet
avid roid user
two-faced (if he doesn't like you, you will get sold by barca)
ronaldo pros:
all-around skill
powerful shot
heading
physique
good injury record
dedication, sacrifice to stay on top level
ronaldo cons:
dramatic when frustrated
doesn't score as many free kicks as his vintage self in manU years
not as fast as he used to be
in the end, you like messi if you're a nerd autist and ronaldo if you're an actual alpha male (or vicariously living through his alpha persona)
>>68752719
I feel sorry that you're such an obvious transparent fucking autist. What a predictable passive-aggressive insult
>>68752715
Well, he does, you can look it up very easily yourself, is at much as Messi? No, but still a lot
>>68752726
And you're a worthless autistic piece of shit whose entire life revolves around an autistic manlet that resembles you in appearance other than weight but nothing in any life success, which is why you cling to him and sperg out over anything that can be perceived as a slight to him
>>68752682
It's like you've made it your personal mission to see how many different countries you can be called retarded by. Good luck in your endeavor!
>>68752743
It seems like you're on a personal mission to make yourself look as fucking cringeworthy and pathetic as possible. You've accomplished that endeavor just fine to begin with. Don't worry
>>68752740
And yet, which one of us is sperging out over a soccer player, and which is just trying to get the other to slow their roll? I'm sorry about that extra cromosome you were born with though, m8. Shit must suck harder than your sister.
>>68752732
>physique
U like hu?
>this thread
>>68752767
>which one of us
Lol, you're literally doing the same thing, "slow their roll" my ass, you're just another butthurt aspie, the fact you even suggest the latter is utterly cringeworthy and more autistic than anything I've said
>Shit must suck harder than your sister
Lmao, embarrassing post. Just stop. You need to slow your roll!!!! Kek
>>68752809
Here's your (you)
>>68752732
As a beta you love the beta that is CR7. As an alpha, i love the other players on his team that are alphas. Talking to Ronaldo fanboys is like talking to Justin Bieber fansboys/girls..
you will grow up at some point and realize how beta you were for thinking ultimate betas like CR7 and Justin Bieber where alphas
>>68748855
>discussion
>>68752088
I got dubs!
>>68752405
>But of course since my flag is the one everyone in the world is jealous of and I'm making an opinion contrary to the only worthwhile thing in your life, you'll act very irrationally in the face of truths
>The only people who gennuinely do not get this, are doing it out of spite, so me even talking to you at this point and just making you feel bad about yourself is not worth it
new pasta?
>>68752910
Honestly, half the things that dude said in this thread could be pasta.
2 different players desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ0TsPih0i8
>>68752948
>>68752948
>there are people who believe this man is heterosexual
>>68752948
Case closed, as if we didn't already know enough.
These 'Ronaldo' fags should just actually watch the two players instead of sperging out, it's not fucking hard to spot the difference.
Ronaldo can't even get past one player anymore.
How is this a debate?
>>68752948
/thread
Bale
>"Numbers say it all." Cristiano Ronaldo
>>68753066
>>68753171
Facebook tier cringe
>>68752948
This literally only proves that autist actually only care about the (((quality))) of the goal, not the goal itself
>>68753171
>472 dives
>>68750773
the white boys
Without memes, explain why you think Ronaldo is better than Messi
>>68753249
Because he is
Messi is a product of refball as well
>>68753249
proved himself in the best league in the world, the EPL
>>68753257
>>68753275
these memes are too much for my body
>>68753299
You're probably 5'3 like most spaniards, im not surprised
>>68753303
I'm 6'2, fight me
>>68753303
I think the average height of your country is lower
http://geo-mexico.com/?p=9024
CR7 won a Ballon Dor , while in the EPL.
Do you realize how fucking hard that is? Manlets need to realize that Messi would look like crap if he played there.
CR7 could get a hat trick with 10 of you faggots in this thread, on his team
>>68753342
Stop posting >>68753342
Pique
Show me a play where Ronaldo dribbles past more than 2 payer?
>>68753356
>Messi would look like crap if he played there.
>>68753374
Literally a white raheem Sterling if he went to EPL
>>68753356
EPL relevant
I don't understand how this is still a question desu. both play in stupidly stacked teams but Messi is the one with far more trophies, far more performances on the big stage and even far better performances for his NT (even though he's still not won them anything).
>>68753395
You act like they dont play the best defense in the world. Much less chances, oppurnity and spaces. Want to know why?
Because every team has the money to buy the best defenders on earth.
Why do you guys always deny this?
>>68753427
>messi
>performances for his NT
O i am laffin
Show me a play where Ronaldo dribbles past more than 2 payer?
Messi by a fucking landslide
>>68753431
best defense LOL
>can't wait for fat CP Messi while TSU is still going strong, as the professional he is
shame he is playing in league2team, he would be found out already
>>68753356
Is that why La Liga teams dominate the Champions League and even Europa League?
>>68753489
Ronaldo would take messi's lunch from him 1v1
Show me a play where Ronaldo dribbles past more than 2 payer?
I'm still waiting for this
>>68753507
Youre paying attention to the wrong league. The level of competetion isnt the same.
Mid Table La Liga teams would get bitch slapped
>>68753356
Yet he never does so for Portugal. And never does it for RM vs the handful of the other non-cupcake teams. That's what's so frustrating about CR7 is that he's a nobody except vs scrubs. Yet his fans claim he could take 10 random people of the street and do great. I've never seen a Top 50 player so dependent on having to be on a great team vs scrub teams to look great.
>obliterated English champions on every occasion he played against them
>would fail in EPlel
I mean seriously, how would he even cope with Smalling, Jagielka and Wolschield?
>>68753538
Are you calling wolfsburg and shakle cup cake teams?
>>68753544
Stop sending your fucking people to Connecticut. You have to go back home u invaders
>>68753550
LOL Wolfsburg
>>68753550
Yes compared to RM. Easily. How dumb are you?
>this retarded americancer getting absolutely BTFO by everyone ITT
Feels good man
>>68753579
>cringeworthy spics and slavs being giant messi cockriding autists
Pathetic as usual, you again only disagree with me because of someone being contrary to the only thing relevant in your life
>>68753538
>except vs scrubs
You're literally taking /sp/ memes seriously, reevaluate your entire life
You're also responding to a blatant troll post. You literally only see this clueless autism from Messhit aspies
>>68753382
That is why he stomps all english clubs when he plays against them?
>>68753594
>delusional retard who thinks he's right still posting
What's hilarious is I actually went to sleep over five hours ago and woke up to walk my dog just now and saw you were still posting
LMAO
M
A
O
Get a life
>>68753450
he's done more than ronaldo, at least he got his team of basically 3 players (himself, di maria and masch) to a world cup final, ronaldo might not get his team out of the european championships group
>>68753629
I don't think I'm right, I know I'm right
>I went to sleep over five hours ago
Sure you did, aspie ;)
>>68753532
>Mid Table La Liga teams would get bitch slapped
EL implies other wise. La liga is just superior in everyway to the English meme league
>>68753635
He did very little in the knockout stages, the defense did far better in every way
>>68753538
Dont you remember his matches vs Bayern or Barça? You fucks are dumb as hell.
>>68753656
These are Youtube Indian tier fanboys, they are literal aspies with no actual lives
Reasoning them makes them depressed, and the only way they can cope with this is to be as autistic and stupid as possible, as you see with this ENTIRE thread
>>68753645
>everyone else has no life like me and spends all night arguing on the internet
How sad is your life
>>68753656
are you kidding me? show me the highlights of ronaldo on those matches
>>68753670
It can't be possibly sad as yours that literally revolves around an autistic manlet that is similar to you in appearance other than weight but you have none of the successes or anything that could even be rationalized as an extent
Then you embarrassingly try to lie about it like some total cringey autist
>>68753686
You're only proving my point further, you literally have a picture of a man fondling a black cock on your computer
>>68753692
>everyone obsesses like a retard enough to waste well over five hours of their lives posting nonsense on a week image board
LMAO pls have sex, I'm going back to bed hahahaha what a loser
>>68753685
>highlights of ronaldo on those matches
Protip, the 3 humans with the most followers on twitter are:
Katy Perry (age 31)
Justin Bieber (age 22)
Taylor Swift (age 26)
http://twitaholic.com/
Why are those the 3 most popular people in the world? Same reason as CR7 and Messi in soccer...bc there are a lot of idiots that are clueless on what actual talent/greatness is
>>68753716
You clearly do and are doing a very poor job of hiding it, the fake laughter is quite telling
>i-i-im not not an a-autist i swear!!!!!
Kek
>>68753726
But Messi is actually great.
>>68753726
Cringeworthy
It's like worshipping a man for a living makes you a socially retarded aspie or something
le leave free kicks to me man
>>68753755
>Guerreiro has been putting in more dangerous freekicks, from similar positions in the first two matches
>yet Ronaldo still insists on taking them from a certain distance, despite being shit
If I were in the Portuguese team, I'd be getting pissed off by now.
>Messi somehow win CA this year
>I-it's not even the real tournament
I can sense hater will say this
