Now that south-american teams have gone to shit. Will the World Cup ever leave the continent in our lifetime?
Only with the help of refball
Roberto Baggio was still playing the last time a non euro team won it
>our
>>68631490
Qatar will buy it in 2022
>If Russia is won by a Euro team, people on this board will literally have never seen a non-Euro team win the WC in just 4 years time
Wew
Hopefully not
Remember when Pelé said an African team would win before like 2000?
I now say a non-European team will not win before 2030
>it's a countries with no football accomplishments ever (or in the last 50 years) circlejerk about their continent episode
>>68631843
>0 football Olympic gold medals
>>68631490
Argentina and Brasil still have top players. They need to hire non shit tier coaches.
>>68631901
Wrong. Brazil have shit tier coaches AND players. Nerman a meme.
>>68631898
>multiculturalism
>>68631953
Why did neymar not play at copa?
>>68631490
Germany will give it to Syria as a show of good will to prove that not all white people are evil oppressive fascist shitlords
>>68631490
US is winning it in our lifetimes, once football is proven to be as bad as smoking cigarettes or just bashing your head with a hammer every day for 15 years
>>68632455
Yeah I think by like 2040-2050 soccer will be close to the biggest sport here. Combine football becoming too pussified with us become less white and there you go.
>>68631953
Brazil have a top 5/6 talent pool in the world
>>68632018
Saving him for the Olympics. It's the only thing Brazil hasn't won and they host it this year
>>68632696
I guess that makes sense but couldn't they have only played him as a sub or something? 20 mins of Neymar is better than 0
>>68632781
Barcelona told them they'll only release him for one tournament and they chose Olympics
>>68632878
That's lame. Barcelona could rest him half of their games and it wouldn't matter.
>>68631901
Some south-american players are good because they come and play in Europe, where they actually have good teammates. Back home, it's horrid.
>>68631700
who?
Literally 2 SA teams in the last WC semis mate
We are only 10 NTs and Europe has +50 and we are still superior
>>68633910
>thinking semis matter
Mexico is going to meme themselves a world cup.
CONCACAF>Yuros>CONMEBOL>CAF>Chinks
>Uru-fucking-why (3 million people) has more titles than England, France, Belgium, Holland, Spain, Portugal, all Scandis and all Balkans put together
lmao
>>68633942
Your country hasn't exactly lit up the World Cup either desu
>>68633910
>We are only 10 NTs and Europe has +50 and we are still superior
>>68631490
Watch out for Mexico. Big strong team.
>>68633989
>titles
What titles?
>>68634036
Oh, nice argument there
>>68634061
Check Uruguay's kit, it has 4 stars
>>68633989
>doing all that research to prove a point that brings nothing to the discussion. Football was shit before the 90' mate.
>>68634095
>Oh, nice argument there
Europe has 11 World Cups, South America 9.
>>68634095
Yeah, and the USA's has 3 stars.
>>68634108
>research
Nah, I know how many titles has each nation
Europe without Germany and Italy is wank, and that'd be 93% of the NTs in the federation
>>68634139
We only have 10 members, UEFA has close to 60
>>68633989
That was like in the fucking 1930s when the Europeans had to take a boat for a month to go over there. What the fuck are you even talking about you nigger
south american players have always been the GOATs but the problem is yuropeans buy them scattered through out the lands and they never learn team chemistry when all they have is 2 weeks to train every 4 years, meanwhile the europoor teams that win the world cup are the ones from majority 2 club teams put together
2006: juventus milan
2010: barca real madrid
2014: bayern dortmund
before that era, there wasn't enough money flowing around so south america actually had a chance to compete.
now there is zero chance unless another Messi comes along
>>68634162
Doesn't change the fact that your football is shit nowadays. And how old is Messi again?
>>68634174
>we are too poor to afford tickets to America, ergo you suck
Nice logic, Achmud
GOATS
MESSI, maradona, pele, di stefano, garrincha, ronaldo, romario.... south americans dominate soccer. It really is a third world sport
>>68634217
28, literally at his prime
You must be used to black players who peak at the age of 23
>>68633942
your shit country struggles to make it out of the group stage at every tournament. Fuck you're lucky to even qualify
>>68634235
In which 1st world sports are you better than us? Polo? Argentina dominates it
Rugby? Southern Hemisphere rapes Europe on a regular basis
We raped you two years ago mate. Get over it.
When is Football taking off in your country pal? I hear that every world cup but your team is still shit.
>>68631490
>5 million Chinese training in government funded football clubs
Give it another 15 years or so, Chinese hive-mind players are going to end the old one-person teams finally.
>>68634162
>We only have 10 members, UEFA has close to 60
If you divided Europe into just 10 teams then those teams would win every World Cup
>>68634369
Polio? You still have that in south America?
>>68634423
>raped
lol
>>68634369
>Southern hemisphere
Jesus, at least choose a non-meme answer
>>68634453
That's not the point retard and no you would not. You filthy savages would be so busy fighting each other in the locker room that you would be even more shit.
>>68634423
>We raped you two years ago mate.
I'm quite sure Argentina defeated Belgium, you even let Gonzalo "JUST" Higuaín score lmao
>>68634369
>Southern Hemisphere rapes Europe on a regular basis
New Zealand you mean.
>>68633989
>England+france+spain=3 WCs
>Uruguay = 2 WCS
>2>3
>the city of Argentinian education
>>68634534
Nah he is talking about us. His definition of raped is having to take us to AET to beat us lel
IT'S STAYING AT HOME
>>68634454
Are you that poor? At least your royals must play polo
Oh wait, your royals are Argies, it doesn't count
>>68634517
>>68634536
Argentina rekt Ireland in the last WC and they were the back-to-back Euro champions
I'm not even talking about NZ, SA or Aus
>>68634582
Uruguay has 4
>>68634617
I know Argentina basically wants to be European but don't take it over the line mate.
Passive aggressive behavior only gets you so far.
>>68634617
Ireland are notorious WC chokers.
You had a nice run but you're back to being behind us now, as you always have been.
>>68631490
this board is shit. does anybody know a better forum about football on Internet? p.s.: seriously
>>68634678
Why would I want to be live in a police state bullied by Muslim extremists?
Argentina is objectivelly better place to live, Buenos Aires has more theatres and art galiers than cities like Paris or London. Only NY has a bigger culturaly life
>>68634805
/r/soccer if you can stand the "joke reply banter".
>i can't
>>68634793
>now
>last result was 3 years ago
Mate...
Also, Ireland always choke against us. They dominate Europe but they shit their pants against the Brave Argentine lads
>>68634805
go to reddit faggot
>>68634870
whatever, I don't care about what you say. I want a better forum...
>>68634617
4 what?
>>68634973
Are you mad because you can't handle the 7-1 banter? Reddit is your place
>>68634878
>They dominate Europe
By no metric do they dominate Europe.
>>68635063
What about being back-to-back 6N champs?
>>68633942
Im sorry, but you're belgian. Let the big boys talk.
>>68635111
>6 nations
>relevant if you don't win the slam
Also they're not current 6N champs.
>>68635127
>thinking your country is still relevant when it comes to Football.
>>68635208
When we defeated (by a large margin) them in the WC, they were b-t-b champs
>>68635111
They won it twice, but have won it 3 times in the past 30 years. This year they only won 2 games out of 5.
They had a good run but very short-lived and have never "dominated" Europe.
>>68634991
are you low on sugar or just plain retarded? what is he talking about? fuck this amerilards
>>68633910
>Literally 2 SA teams in the last WC semis mate
There were 2 Euro teams in the semis too, plus the champions being Euro after Argies choked.
>>68635339
This nigger won't see reason mate. Give it up.
>>68635235
>relevant
Maybe not now, but we do come back to the top every now and then throughout history. U on the other hand...
Oh, and 4 wcs and 15 copa americas count. So please, again, just let the big boys talk.
>not a single Italian or German flag
>little guys patting themselves on the back over m-muh continent
>>68635467
>15 copa americas count
The competition that the fucking USA is currently in the semis for?
>>68635423
>Argies chocked
You what? We had a 50 times worse team than Germany and they still needed 2 extra times and refball to defeat our D team
Agüero and di María were injured and we had Demichelis and Lavezzi as starters
But sure, you can take the credit for that. Not even you father has seen England win anything lmao
How long would it take for the USA to win a World Cup if we decided to throw money at it until it happened?
>>68635588
1. No, this year's CA doesn't country. It's an special ocation for the 100th anniversary
2. USA are literally better than England
>>68635638
Never, most likely
>>68635055
Shut up Argentinian! It only takes one brazilian player to have more world cups than you. Actually we mock the brazilian players that has less world cups than you.
>>68635743
>muh Jules Rimet
>>68635668
Buddy, you are killing me. Even fucking San Marino could deal with the US.
>>68635588
Well, this one is atypical to say the least. The most complicated featur of South America is topogray and climate based. Ecuador and Bolivia are almost unbeatable beacuse of alttitude. Colombia lñkes to play 3pm, 40 C degrees and 100% humidity. Brasil is Brasil no matter where, though they are not the shadow of what they used to be. Argentina is always hard to play against, no matter where. Then u have Chile, Perú and Venezuela. Chileans and vnezuelans are easy to play against anywhere, as Perú. You point out USA being in the smeis. Greece won the EURO few years ago. Football is like that, that's why I watch it. It's the only sport u can see an underdog bringing it hom. Though they are trying to kill that due to muh sponsorships and muh tv rights.
>>68635668
>i-it doesn't count!
Why not? This isn't the first time non-SA teams have been invited to play in the Copa, what is it about this year that's making teams so poor?
>USA are literally better than England
Literally not a single person who isn't an ABE thinks this.
Really, since when countries like Belgium can talk about football?
WC should be something between Brazil, Italy, Germany and Argentina + one hit wonder
>>68635638
First you need worldclass training facilities and tactics which at least takes a generation, look at our "success", it started when they revamped the training techniques around 2002. So I'd say 2035ish
>>68635726
Lol never underestimate what a burger is capable of, croissant.
>>68635891
Belgium pls.
>>68635940
the USA are in the semis because they are playing at home and because they haven't faces a single decent opponent yet
and yes, they'd defeat you at home too
guys what if Russia won the Crimean War?
>>68635561
This lol hilarious it is UK and belgium too
>>68635940
>first
please do your research englel
>>68635956
Based Italy speaking truth
>>68636033
I mean, yeah, you've got a large talent pool. You might win it in a couple of decades.
>>68636589
Just wait when we are only like 30% white. We will win
>>68636589
We will definitely win a cup before you
>>68636085
>they'd defeat you at home too
Literally only salty Argies think this.
>>68635937
Honestly, if a team can only play in conditions that favour them that says something about the quality of the team more than anything else. Though you have a point about Greece, USA could just be on a lucky run.
>South-Americans thinking their past titles matter and give them some kind of legitimacy.
Your football is dead mates. The sooner you admit it the better.
>>68636951
This.
>>68636111
does anyone think Russia COULD even win that war?
One american guy said that we (europeans) habe 15 years before americ a will fuck us
>>68636873
It is kind of like that for the weakest teams, trying to take advantage from anything. It's hard, that's what I wanted to point out. Cause even if someone doesnt have a strong team, they can grow strong under some circunstamces. Thats why u always see Brazil and Argentina in the WCs. Quality. But the other 2 or three places are for the taking. Not like EURO qualifiers where u pretty much know for certain 6 of the teams that are going to be there.
>>68636951
>>68637005
Really?
Belgium and England arguing with Argentina?
Stop pretending you are worth of any consideration just because Italy and Germany always deliver
>>68636085
We will beat you
>>68636873
We are bettet than you m8. You are shit. Even 2014 Ghana with players who didn't even care would beat you. Last time we were in the same group we came out on top. The team has only gotten better since then.
Cacau played for Germany
Thiago Motta, Camoranesi and Eder in Italy
Marcos Senna was European champion for Spain
You can't make this up
I don't mind Brazil losing 7-1 to a powerhouse. It's good as a signal your footy is going to shit and it needs a change.
On the other hand, I'd panic if Brazil lost to Belgium.
>>68637786
Trezeguet for France
Italy had argies in all their 4 titles
>>68637695
It's not about granddad teams like Italy and Brazil.
England and Belgium, but especially England, are the future.
>>68637944
No shit eh?
>>68637944
I love how ebglel talks aobut grandad. 1966 refball is all you have to show for yourself. Just give up. Play as Britain. Maybe then u'll be decent.
Other brazilian joins: I don't think the axis of equilibrium SA-EU is undone. Brazil is surely experimenting a hard level disorganization in the last years, but also was Germany and Spain a 16 years ago. We still have the great crops of good players we always had, probably now we have one even better.
>>68638442
Your WCs were won even before 1966.
>inb4 copa america
They get hosted every year pretty much. It's not hard to grab a few.
>>68638645
But you still have 0 continental cups, and you bloody invented the sport
15 is infinite times more than 0
Team USA could beat half of Europe. We'd consistently qualify for the Euros. We're about Poland-tier.
Imagine how fucking good we'd be if we played meme balkan team shitholes like you guys do. You talk shit about our confederation but you play these ex-commie jokes of a country each year. We'd have a fucking field day with teams like Serbia and Bulgaria. They're about as good as the shitty island countries we play or Canada.
>>68638710
>thinking his team can beat Croatia
>>68638710
How good is the US if your opponent parks the bus?
Because thats what 2/3 of europe does.
>>68638645
Still, no refball. Still 2 of them in EURO soil. 1 of them in brazilian soil.
its not the year. its the blatant local refball which u needed to achieve your ONLY title. 1<4 0<15. U invented it, we showed you how to play it.
>>68638708
That's because it's harder to win the Euros.
It's a shocking indictment as to how bad the copa america is when you tell me Uruguay has won it the most.
Look at their WC record in the past 30 years, it's worse than England's. They barely qualified half the time. And you tell me THIS team is a super team in South America.
Embarrassing and indefendable. England would have 20 if Uruguay can dominate.
>>68638848
Didn't say we could. I said we could beat half of Europe and we'd be in the top half. We wouldn't beat the top-tier like Germany but we'd be about Poland-tier. I'd say we'd get knocked out quarterfinals if we were in this year's Euros.
Croatia is good but one of the few exceptions to the rule. Slavshit countries are a joke.
>>68637898
They like to banter, but true is that we don't really care about the 7-1 score. We have one of those - or even worse - every week in our national championships. But I would like to consider that we know how to win, we are a lot less agressive to other teams. Germans always bring up things that aren't related to football like south america underdevelopment. Question here: It's just me or do you guys really prefer the Germans as champions instead of like it was before?! The average brazilian likes to "just watch football"! We cheer for the Argentinians when it's against an European, we cheer for Portugal because we are their descendents, we cheer for the Englands because they invented the sport... We always have an excuse. But the Germans seems arrogants by nature to me.
Actually, we're really worried about the level of disorganization in our Federation. On this matter, our recent defeats are quite good because they purge our sins.
>>68639110
wow everything you wrote is false
>>68639194
>everything you wrong is false.
Winning the Euros is basically as hard as winning the World Cup desu
Can't say the same about the Copa America though.
Africa is a bigger future threat than SA desu senpai.
>>68639048
Check your head 2 head stats, you cuck. Conjectures dont ammount to titles.
>>68638952
>unironically thinking you actually have 4 world cups
I'm done. South Ameripoors are lowering my IQ.
>>68639069
we suck dude
usa soccer is literally our 7th rate athletes. these are the cucks who were too weak to play football and too short and unathletic to play basketball. these are the white suburban douches who play college soccer in the ncaa and then play in the mls which is equivalent to a euro 3rd division. our development system is a joke and our real talent isn't playing soccer. other countries best of the best creme de la creme are playing soccer from the minute they can walk in other countries. we'll never compete with that unless soccer became a top 3 sport here
>>68639315
And your nation has never won it.
>>68633843
no south american football started to decline after the massive exodus to europe
>>68631762
but argentina and brazil have both already won?
>>68638710
>We're about Poland-tier
USA is maybe on the same level of Poland without a few of their star players.
>>68639315
Not these Euros.
Also Argentina made the WC final and beat European teams on the way so they could mount a challenge. Costa Rica, Chile, USA, Mexico, Algeria, Nigeria and possibly Ghana(if 2014 was a one off) can also beat European teams.
>>68639378
he gets it
>>68639338
>finland
>fucking finland
>>68639563
>judging a tournament from its group stage
You guys are killing me. Don't stop please.
>>68636111
Russia won much bigger and decisive battles, fuck off already you retard.
>>68639378
Euros will call this an excuse even though it is entirely true.
>>68639620
How should you judge it then? Only by the final?
It was a really close match and we were playing our B team, so what?
>>68639378
Good thing it will be top 3 within 10 years. Millenials love footy
>>68639587
Don't despair my white friend, i doubt we will qualify for the forseeable future.
>>68639363
titles are not ideas. we dont think. we won those. deal with it.
>>68639587
He's right. Just look at how France is doing.
>>68639760
lol'd out loud
>>68639048
They also memed their way to that fourth place as well. They win 2 titles back when there were few teams in the tournament and think they are still a big team.
>But what about muh Copa in 2011?
They beat a Paraguay team which only scored in 2 of their 6 matches in the tournament and squeezed their way from 3rd place in the group.
Would be like Celtic still thinking they are a big team because they won the UCL a while back and can qualify every now and then
>>68639693
Okay, we have 4 then.
You're lucky we didn't want to play in the tournament Uruguay won too because we'd have had them too no doubt
>>68639254
I think like that and I perceive things like that. Brazilians always were enjoyed by other teams, we just root for the evolution of the sport. That's why Ronaldinho taught Messi so much, we are not selfish. We gave a great party in our home even after losing. I have invited a few polish, italians and englishes friends to my house and we had a great time in 2014 despite everything. But as I said, I don't think Germans are a good NT to succeed us.
You have to be delusional to think so desu. Brazil is shit right now, but we still have a top 5 squad on paper, and we will keep producing players because this country has 200m people and only cares about soccer (and volleyball)
Argentina too. Even though i don't like the Argies, they reached the WC final, missed a shitload of clear chances and only lost by a 116min goal, the match was really close.
This whole "European superiority" thing is overblown, anyone can win a WC.
>>68639048
>hurr durr england never misses a wc
we wouldnt either if our qualys were against faroe and san marino
>>68639981
>Even though i don't like the Argies
Decime qué se siente
>>68640078
Your opponent was Australia in 2006.
>>68639378
Our best athletes probably wouldn't be good at soccer. Just because you can play basketball or football doesn't mean you can play soccer. Also we do have some talent that is at least somewhat good and can play for decent European sides (Pulisic seems to be actually talented). Because soccer is not popular kids will not get the best training. There is also the fact that youth development teams right now are too expensive so there is actually a small pool to pick from when the US is so big. The FAs of countries like Iceland and Belgium got funding and improved the sport there from the bottom up. Doesn't look the USSF is too interested in doing the same thing.
>>68639863
Are you new? Because your post reeks of a new user.
If you are new i'd recommend you to use reddit /r/soccer instead, it's much better than this shithole
>>68639981
>because this country has 200m people and only cares about soccer
We're not like that anymore, and I think it's one of the reasons of the downslope. I'm a scientist and you would be amazed by the high level educated youth we're producing right now.
Argentinians alongside with us still keep the passion about the sport. Today technique is more important than talent, yes, but even though it's not possible to underestimate the second. Also small countries like US underestimate the importance of tradition. It's probably the uttermost important one, that's why brazilians always kept an eye on TV when it's about the Englishes. We always kept an eye when it's about the Frenches. If we're going to limit the countries that are still favorites it will always be the Great Old Champs.
>>68640180
Pretty much every single wide receiver or corner back would have a great soccer build, whether it's CB or GK for the tall guys, or winger/RB/LB for the shorter ones. Sure, JJ Watt and Lebron wouldn't fit in well, but a lot of guys absolutely would.
>>68639981
nice meme
you're not going anywhere for a long time shitskin
>>68640180
>Odell Beckham Jr (pic related)
Was a heavily recruited USYMNT prospect who opted to leave and focus on American Football over Soccer, for his future. Imagine if we kept a player with this athleticism.
and this story isnt an anomaly.
>Andrew Luck
>Ezekiel Ansah
>Pierre Garcon
>Ndamkoung Suh
>Jason Kidd
and a lot more great athletes ditched soccer for a more profitable sport.
>>68639620
10/16 teams in the 2014 WC round of 16 were non-European.
4/8 teams in the 2014 WC quarter finals were non-European.
2/4 teams in the 2014 WC semi-finals were non-European.
1/2 teams in the 2014 WC final was non-European, and that team lost around the 115th minute.
So what you're saying is Europe vs non-Europe is basically a tossup.
>>68638710
no you're not
you only deliver in WC because most of your players play in the MLS which goes from March to December, so they're in perfect form, unlike those who play in Europe who are dead exhausted
if you had to go through serious qualifications you'd struggle every year, both in CONMEBOL and UEFA
>>68640719
yeah, Europe is on par with the rest of the world put together, and that's for a tournament played in South America
take the last WC played in Europe
Ro16: 10/16 yuro
QF: 6/8 yuro
SF: 4/4 yuro
it's absolute domination
>>68632696
>Saving him for the Olympics. It's the only thing Brazil hasn't won and they host it this year
Not true. Barca being greedy bastards again they said to Brazil that they allow only one turney for him. So it was Faux Copa or Olypmpics, and since Copa this year is not exactly fifa sanctioned, and Olympics are at home, it was an easy choice.
>>68640675
Hate this argument.
Being Athletic =/= Being good at football
Football/Soccer places more emphasis on technique and Brains than More athletically orientated sports like American football.
You can run 100m in under 10 seconds but if you can't control the ball or pick out a pass you're going to be useless.
>>68631490
A-hem
>>68641385
But that's not even absolute domination, and where it's played doesn't really have shit to do with shit. Also, that's 10 fucking years ago. Basically has no relevance to the current situation.
>>68641560
im saying they used to play soccer when they were younger, but due to the lack of attention and money in US soccer they left it for Gridiron football.
So they were developing the skills in Football/Soccer, but once they got to the point where they had to choose one, they all chose American Football
>>68642133
>that's not even absolute domination
14 teams qualified, 10 got past the groups, and we knew we would have had a yuro winner after the quaterfinals
it's as close as you'll get
>where it's played doesn't really have shit to do with shit
yeah it's not like the climate in Europe is completely different from anywhere else in the world
last world cup had matches in fucking Manaus, literally in the middle of the jungle
USA 1994 had matches played at insane temperatures and level of humidity, also because of timezones
all World Cups should be played in Europe, any relevant player is already living and playing here anyway
>>68642266
that's gonna change once more middle class parents find out how football makes kids braindead
the only people still going to the nfl after a certain point will be ghetto kids desperate for money
