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What is the best one on one sport and why is it Tennis?
>>68480841
the best sport is fucking Canadian women
cricket
>inb4 "IT'S A TEAM GAME XDXDXDXDDXDX"
No it isn't. It's 1v1.
>>68481629
Cricket is literally the poor man's baseball though
>>68481629
>pooinloo paddle
>>68481321
>Canadian women
>>68481321
>Canadian women
??
>>68481778
It really isn't if you understand both sports. Cricket is harder, though infinitely more autistic and far harder for normies to get into. The kind of cricket that indians are into is a shortened form and is more or less identical to baseball, if you're talking about that then yeah I'd agree with you.
>>68481629
>1v1
>1 of the 1's switches every 6 pitches
>>68480841
>Tennis
squash is better
also,
MMA/boxing/any ring sport??
Boxing is the only 1 on 1 sport.
>>68481321
>pic related
>>68483503
Tennis is okay and you're right, squash is better
>>68483582
Golf. prove me wrong
Starcraft
SFIV
>>68482180
In essence though it is just a multi-faceted 1v1 sport. There's no teamwork in it, really, aside from running and slip catching there is literally nothing that requires teamwork. It's just 11 guys against 11 of the other guys, individually. It's pretty similar to tennis in terms of the duel nature of the game, it's just that there are a lot more than one duel.
>>68482043
>harder
Lol
>>68485013
You wanna debate this? Really? I don't think I've met a single American who knows anything about cricket, whereas I know quite a bit about baseball. Everyone I know who has played both says that cricket (well, test cricket at least) is harder.
>>68480841
MMA, then boxing, you soft little pussy
>>68485073
It's pretty much common knowledge that it's easier to make contact in cricket than it is in baseball.
The paddle has an 800% greater surface area than a baseball bat in addition to baseball pitches being of much greater velocity on average than cricket bowls. Yes, I know cricket introduces the added difficulty of bowls/pitches hitting the ground, but there's still no debate on this subject. Cricketers can bat for HOURS without getting out. That is an impossibility in baseball, even if you were make a version of "test baseball" mirroring the rules of cricket.
Aside from the occasional run out, cricket fielders aren't required all that much to throw out runners.
You won't see anything like this in cricket.
A fielder nailing a runner from 300 feet away with a 105 mph throw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkYrT5arGVw
Pretty much zero baserunning required in cricket.
Baseball is a much, much more athletic game, meaning there's "natural" barriers that no amount of skill learning can overcome. For example, Mike Trout is 6'2", 230lb, and runs faster than Cristiano Ronaldo.
Ronaldo's fastest in game sprint speed: 20.8mph
Mike Trout: 21.15mph
>muh no gloves
Baseball exit velocities are much faster off the bat, commonly reaching speeds of up to 115mph and peaking north of 120mph. Nothing in cricket, even in the slips, is reaching those speeds.
Furthermore, baseball players make many more plays over the course of season than a cricket player. An infielder's hand would be mush if he didn't use a glove.
Ex. The world record holder for catches in test cricket is 210, over a 16 year career.
An MLB shortstop puts out (catches plus throwing runners out) about twice that many per season. And outfielders will average around 700 put outs over the season.
There's nothing like the double play in cricket.
I really don't see how this an argument. Even if we grant cricket being tougher to bat in due to the prospect of a cricketer batting 2-3 hours /cont
>>68485498
>Baseball is a much, much more athletic game, meaning there's "natural" barriers that no amount of skill learning can overcome
What, part of the beauty of baseball is that if you're skilled enough then that's all you fucking need, you can be a 5'5" manlet, have just one hand, be 300 lbs, whatever, if you can hit or you can pitch you're good to go.
>>68485498
Oh my word, it's a gigantic list of American cliches.
>literally zero understanding of the sport of cricket
>>68485498
>/cont
at a time (I would wager, however, that baseball players spend more hours overall at the plate during a season), cricket doesn't demand proficiency in the overall range of skills (throwing, running, teamwork) as much as baseball (aside from specialist positions like DH's and relievers).
>>68485566
>the beauty of baseball is you can be a fat piece of shit and still be good
Fucking lmao
>>68485593
Alright man. I don't know shit about cricket. And obviously any sport is about equallydiff to play at the very highest level. But cricket can't really be that hard if fucking India can be competitive in it.
And now for a somewhat half direct cricket-baseball comparison of difficulty.
When the west indies decided to start using niggers on its team, from a population base of just 3 million or so they quickly dominated the world for a couple decades with perhaps the greatest team of all time.
But in baseball, niggers from similar caribbean nations, cuba and the DR, but with a far larger population base, do not even come close to dominating baseball. And the niggers from the Dominican are bred through MLB run baseball camps even. They're literally born to play baseball and they still can't dominate, because it's just more about natural talent and skill. Its fucking hard, if you don't have the talent and skill you just don't have it.
>>68485498
Spoken like someone that has never watched a game of cricket in their life
Snooker
>>68485593
So you have no argument?
Where's all the base running in cricket?
Where's the demand to be CONTINUOUSLY be accurate with throwing in the field? I've already showed you, with stats, that cricket fielders don't have anywhere the same demands as baseball fielders.
In fact, former baseball players have wound up on cricket teams as fielding coaches.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/02/13/cricket-world-cup-2015-australia-assistant-coach-is-from-america/
>But everyone from Tony Cozier to Jonty Rhodes are now clamoring for baseball coaches to help their sides improve their fielding skills. Just this week, Pakistan Cricket Chief Nasim Ashraf hinted that Pakistan would be hiring a baseball coach to improve fielding standards - from USA no less.
I've watched cricket fielding and throwing. Mechanically, they are in the stone ages.
That's just the truth. The day you see a former cricketer as coach in the MLB, is the day the US beats the All Blacks in Rugby.
>>68485694
btw in case you didn't realize. Caribbean niggers are real fucking good 'athletes'. See usain bolt etc. Just shows that getting good at cricket is easier with training and being a good athlete and shit. But being good at baseball is more about skill before being a good athlete.
It's debatable which of these is 'harder' I guess.
I'm not saying cricket players aren't skilled or baseball players aren't good athletes (other than a handful of fucking fatasses) either. Just that baseball requires innate skill above all else, and maybe this isn't the case in cricket.
>>68485694
India are competitive in it because it's literally all their population of 1 billion people care about. With that many people obsessed with a sport and pouring billions of dollars into development of it, it's inevitable that they can put forward 11 decent players.
Besides, it's not entire based on athleticism as much as it is skill. Usain Bolt wanted to be a fast bowler for his whole life, but he was too shit at it, so he focused on sprinting instead
>>68485566
>you can be a 5'5" manlet,
Altuive is an athletic beast. He reaches speeds of about 21 mph on the basepaths, which is the range of the fastest soccer players in the EPL.
>>68485727
I thought bolt wanted to play divegrass
>>68480841
Does Tennis use the away goals rule?
>m-m-m-m-muh athleticism!!!!!
Jesus christ is this all americans think of? Sport isn't about how fast you can run or how many nigs you can lift or how big your dick is.
>>68485723
It is LITERALLY the case in cricket, and Bolt is a LITERAL example of it.
>>68485694
>if fucking India can be competitive in it.
They aren't really. They're only good when they abuse home advantage. And anyway, there's a billion of them, surely they could beat NZ (4 mil) or SA (5 mil white people), but they can barely achieve that.
>>68485737
Nope. He wanted to play for the West Indies, but his high school coach told him he was never going to make it.
>>68481321
oh, you
>>68481899
she's not Canadian
>>68485722
maybe if you only watch subcontinental teams field. I guarantee that Australian and 00s Zimbabwe fielding and throwing is of the same calibre, if not higher with regards to catching.
>>68485632
Holy shit you are fucking retarded, players in baseball are far more specialised in terms of skillset than cricket
>>68485744
Kek did you even read my posts. I'm saying 'athleticism' is entirely secondary to skill in baseball, more so than any other sport.
>>68485747
Then how do you explain the windies dominating. We all know niggers aren't as skilled as whites
Also niggers did pretty well in baseball for a while as sluggers, hitting fingers left and right, basically all they're good for. Power and strength and speed and shit. And they were only able to dominate for a while because steroids gave them the edge they lacked from lack of skill. Now all they're usually good for is speedy faggots like dee Gordon and Billy hamilton. Speed is a niggers best asset in baseball now that there's no more giga steroid niggas allowed.
>>68481321
Poortugal still mad about Iceland KEK
>thread about individual sports
>insecure antipodeans yammer on about their lame team sport
>>68480841
Tennis is an odd way of spelling Mixed Martial Arts.
>>68485800
>Kek did you even read my posts. I'm saying 'athleticism' is entirely secondary to skill in baseball, more so than any other sport.
No you're not mate. ALL of your arguments are
>muh ball speed
>muh running fast
>muh catching lots
>muh throwing fast
Cricket is more difficult because bowling is a very unique skill that is damn hard to get right. Throwing is piss easy. Batting off the ground is more difficult than batting when you know exactly where the ball is going to be.
The only reason I watch baseball is for the athleticism side of it. I like things like double plays and the fact that there's more teamwork involved. But as for skill? It's fucking miles behind cricket. Even the most ridiculous knuckleballer is nothing compared to the shit Murali could pull.
>>68485722
>Just this week, Pakistan Cricket Chief Nasim Ashraf hinted that Pakistan would be hiring a baseball coach to improve fielding standards - from USA no less
Hope he prepares a ransom ahead of time, if he goes.
>>68485830
>But as for skill? It's fucking miles behind cricket. Even the most ridiculous knuckleballer is nothing compared to the shit Murali could pull.
your video link is broken
>>68485800
They were incredibly fucking talented. Viv Richards barely needed to run with the way he could hit the ball.
Even their bowlers, as good as they were, weren't the best in the world. They had a number excellent bowlers playing together at the same time, but Dennis Lillee, Wasim Akram, Glenn McGrath and arguably Dale Steyn and Alan Donald.
The West Indies are currently the second or third worst test team in the world. Australia, India, Pakistan, England Sri Lanka, New Zealand, Bangladesh and South Africa are all much better sides. Hell, even fucking Afghanistan and Ireland can give them a run for their money. I guess "muh athleticism" isn't everything then, is it?
>>68485744
Read more carefully. In an ADDITION to being a skill based game, baseball also demands a good deal of athleticism from most position players (First basemen, catchers, DH's, and pitchers don't really need uber athletic ability).
>>68485830
Nah that's the other guy
>>68485862
Well yeah because they don't care anymore. They just play divegrass now
I'm gonna go get some food
Krazy take the wheel
>>68485885
Jamaica does. The rest of the islands are still very much devoted to cricket, and all their current players grew up when cricket was all they cared about
It's wrestling, and it isn't even a debate.
please watch our sport big strong spartans
>>68482043
Based statscunt dropping elite truthbombs
>>68485722
>Where's all the base running in cricket?
Baseball - 4 small runs around a square.
Cricket - literally infinity until you're actually out.
>>68485862
Nah man, niggers aren't as skilled as whites, it's basically a proven fact senpai
>>68485906
So the population is down to like 2 million now. Their organization is a joke also and they only care about t20. And even they are moving towards divegrass also.
Just deal with it senpaitachi, it's not as much about skill as you think. If it were then even India would be able to produce the best teams, and they don't because they're just not good enough athletes.
KEK where did all the Big Strong Americans run off too? Did my handsome, muscular truthbombs drive you away?
Poopetually pooturbed Poopeericans on pootent poopetual pooicide watch
>>68484133
09er detected
>>68485830
>Batting off the ground is more difficult than batting when you know exactly where the ball is going to be.
Yeah, that's why Cricketers can stay batting for hours, sometime as long as 12. If it's so "hard," an event like that should be an impossibility.
>Cricket is more difficult because bowling is a very unique skill that is damn hard to get right.
So is pitching. They have to have the control to throw balls up to speeds of 100+ mph into an area the size of a 17" tv screen,
Bowlers aren't punished (by the rules) for missing the "strike zone" because there isn't any.
>yfw Genie Bouchard will never give you a big hug and hold it for 10 seconds before breaking off and giving you a warm smile
jdimsa
Reminder that "this" is an "elite" baseball "athlete"
>>68485984
>even they are moving towards divegrass also
wrong
>it's basically a proven fact
please link me your peer reviewed study on blacks and their cricket skill.
Oh wait, you can't
kek
KEK
K-E-K
>If it were then even India would be able to produce the best teams
India LITERALLY have the third best team in the world.
>>68486004
>Yeah, that's why Cricketers can stay batting for hours, sometime as long as 12. If it's so "hard," an event like that should be an impossibility.
Because all they have to do is hit the ball, defend their stumps and wait for a slip-up that they can pounce on or until they've seen enough of the pitch and bounce to predict how the ball's going to behave. Baseball players are pretty much trying to smash every ball from the get-go.
>So is pitching. They have to have the control to throw balls up to speeds of 100+ mph into an area the size of a 17" tv screen,
Just like cricket!
Reminder fast bowlers can bowl at similar speeds, but they just restrain themselves because the human body can't sustain that much force without breaking down.
>Bowlers aren't punished (by the rules) for missing the "strike zone" because there isn't any.
KEK
You are LITERALLY patently retarded. There IS """"strike zones"""""
>>68485979
>literally infinity until you're actually out.
More like
>run back and forth for a 60 whole feet a few times.
>No turning
>No needing to really worry about getting run out because cricket fielders can't throw
>Not required to evade tags
Yeah, cricket """"""""baserunning""""""""". Back and forth, back and forth. Major degree of difficulty there.
Fucking hilarious, Australia grasping at fucking straws now. Literally nothing you can say will convince me that cricket is more about skill than baseball. My arguments are too strong.
Sorry if the truth hurts
>>68486047
>b-b-b-but they TURN and play tag!
K - E - K
Nice """"sport"""" you've got here.
>>68486053
You're right. Cricketers haven't mastered the skill of the turn yet, and until they learn how to change directions while running this sport will forever be semen slurping.
>>68486067
>>68486074
Being THIS mad
Baseball players are more skilled AND bigger, stronger, and faster than cricket players and there's nothing you can do about it.
Just go jack off to Ellyse or something, basically all cricket (and Australia) is good for.
>>68486041
>You are LITERALLY patently retarded. There IS """"strike zones"""""
Does the batter get a free run or some other tactical advantage when the bowler misses this so called strike zone?
>Cricket bowlers, since they are not restricted to a small strike zone as their target, also use a wide variety of approaches which are not available to baseball pitchers.
>not restricted to a small strike zone
Baseball pitchers throw much harder on average. For example, there's only been 30 recorded instances (in history!) of a bowler throwing faster than 93mph.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/95065.html
A baseball pitcher can throw 30 93mph and above fastballs in a single inning.
>>68486047
Tagging someone with a ball while they were running was literally the best sport I ever played when I was around 8 years old or so. I grew out of it though.
>>68486041
>are pretty much trying to smash every ball from the get go
Utterly false
(You) on opiods for rectal pain watch
>>68486122
Why are you so invested? You're literally arguing with an ausposter
>>68486067
>They run back and forth with a paddle
You don't have the K E K high ground in this case, Bruce.
>>68486004
This is blatantly wrong, if you bowl it to wide or high (effectively so that it is un-hitable) you concede a wide or a no ball which means the other team gets a run and you have to redo the bowl.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and should stop talking.
>>68486122
>Does the batter get a free run or some other tactical advantage when the bowler misses this so called strike zone?
yes
>Baseball pitchers throw much harder on average. For example, there's only been 30 recorded instances (in history!) of a bowler throwing faster than 93mph.
because when they used to bowl that quickly speeds weren't measured. Jeff Thompson used to go well over 100 mph before his injury, and he wasn't even the fastest bowler. Nowadays with the amount of cricket that gets played, players can't bowl at those speeds without permanently killing their bodies. Even 150 kph is dangerous, as shown by Lillee, Bond, Harris, Starc and Cummins. You're always on the edge of being crippled for six months as a fast bowler.
>>68481629
Good lad. Cricket requires the most concentration than any of the aforementioned sports.
ANY and I mean ANY fourth tier bush league baseball striker would be able to hit this ball for six easily.
>>68486165
>This is blatantly wrong, if you bowl it to wide or high (effectively so that it is un-hitable) you concede a wide or a no ball which means the other team gets a run and you have to redo the bowl.
How big is this area?
Oh,
>The event of a ball being delivered by a bowler too wide or (in international cricket) high to be hit by the batsman, and ruled so by the umpire.
Lol.
Kiwi's and Aussie's consider a garage door sized area a "strike zone."
>>68486201
Brathwaite's bat always makes me laugh. The guy LITERALLY sands down the cherries on the sides so it looks like he middles every ball
>>68480841
Badminton
>>68486219
Its at most a metre and a bit wide, so you're right its like a door, a door most American's would struggle to fit through
>>68486219
Time to pack it up, we've been successfully argued by an idiot down to his level and have been soundly beaten.
Just fingered my own bumhole lads
>>68486268
Haha wow
>>68486201
Literally free home runs
>>68486122
>Does the batter get a free run or some other tactical advantage when the bowler misses this so called strike zone?
Literally yes. Tons, in fact.
>>68486308
but do they turn while running?
>>68486201
I don't deny there's impressive highlights and players in cricket.
That isn't argument.
I just think batting is overall easier due to the on average less velocity, nearly 10x larger surface area of the oar/paddle, and the fact, which we have stone cold proof of, cricket batters being able to bat for hours on end without getting out.
That's is simply impossible to do in baseball against pro pitching (if it were possible, we'd see players have multigame streaks of not getting out on the regular).
The highest recorded is 17 straight at-bats without getting out...all the way back in 1893.
>>68486332
Once again you're ignoring the clear difference in what a cricketer is trying to achieve and what a baseball player is trying to achieve
Half the time a bowler won't be focusing on getting the batsman out at that time, but are setting them up for a wicket three overs later.
>>68486332
I honestly think you're just comparing them on like terms which is retarded. The purpose of cricket isn't to hit home runs, therefore how """"easy"""" it is to hit the ball is dumb. If you stuck a baseball hitter in and bowled them half volley after half volley then for sure they'd dominate, but the moment they get a yorker they're fucked.
The purpose of cricket is to avoid getting out. That is difficult.
>>68486262
>Time to pack it up, we've been successfully argued by an idiot down to his level and have been soundly beaten.
Oh yeah, telling me cricket does indeed have a "strike zone" the size of a large door was clincher for you.
"Cricket bowlers have to be accurate!"
"Strike Zone?"
"Yep. It's the size of a door!"
Lol.
>>68486353
>Half the time a bowler won't be focusing on getting the batsman out at that time, but are setting them up for a wicket three overs later.
That's exactly what pitchers do.
>>68486368
You've literally missed every single point of what he's trying to say mate
Just letting you know.
>implying cricket bowlers don't just bowl it to a general not super precise spot and hope it makes a funky bounce of the seam
See >>68486291
Literally luckbounce
>>68486383
what, with their three strikes?
there is LITERALLY not NEARLY enough time for a baseball """player""" to set up and execute a strategy in the same way as cricket
t20 > odi >>>>> test
>>68486361
>The purpose of cricket is to avoid getting out. That is difficult.
Then why can they stay at bat for literal half-days?
And why is a 70% failure rate in baseball considered "good?"
>>68486412
That's why you set up strategy ahead of time instead of just winging it, sweetie
>>68486442
KEK
E
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You have NO idea what "setting up" means. It's not pre-planning you LITERAL retard.
End your """life"""
>>68486430
Spoken like a true pleb
>>68486457
>oooh ill attack him with arbitary semantics because im incapable of speaking human
Nice """"revisionism"
kek
kek
KEK
>>68486476
>LE FUG LE SEMANTICS XD XD
>>68486482
Calm yourself, Sean
>>68486412
>there is LITERALLY not NEARLY enough time for a baseball """player""" to set up and execute a strategy in the same way as cricket
For that at bat and all future at bats throughout that game, the season and the players' respective careers.
A baseball season including playoffs has nearly as many games as that manlet Indian player has played test matches over his 20 year career.
>>68486435
Because they're GOOD at it you mongoloid. They're not professionals for no reason, holy shit.
>>68486510
>he's comparing a single baseball game to a test match
ho ly shit
aussies are butthurt retards
t. alexander dougopoulos
>literally defending a 'sport" that takes 5 days and ends in a draw nearly half the time
>literally defending a "sport" that takes 5 days and if you know you can't win you can LITERALLY stall for hours for a draw
>literally defending a "sport" that takes 5 days and even when it's not a draw a team very often wins by LITERALLY hundreds of runs, ie it's not even close
>>68486540
t. Roberto Quintilliani
Table Tennis > Tennis
Agree/disagree?
>>68486551
italian NT is great, loving this actually defending meme
t. alexander dougopoulos
Will cricketfags ever recover?
>>68486548
a 5 day game that definitively gives a winner>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a 7 match series that is played over 2 weeks and still doesn't really definitively give a winner
>>68486527
You missed the point.
Point is, that a batter and pitcher who play in the same league and who both had relatively long careers (10 or so years) can face each other over 100 times.
Bruce was suggesting, by virtue of baseball's short individual at-bat length, that pitchers don't "set up" batters because they don't have enough time. While this is untrue, the real "set up" comes from the longterm knowledge the pitcher and batter have of one another.
If the pitcher threw that batter a curve on a 3-2 count with two men on base last time the faced, you can bet the batter will remember it. He'll also remember what pitches this pitcher threw 5 seasons ago in this or that situation.
>>68486619
That's not setting up though you monkey
>>68486628
>setting up
That is the literal definition of setting up. Using some prior knowledge of an opponent's tendencies/weaknesses to bait him into doing something to your advantage.
Ex. In basketball. How a team establishes low-post play (knowing their opponent has a disadvantage there and has to double team) to "set up" their shooters off of the opponent double teaming. .
>>68486628
literally shitting himself over semantics
poo harder
>>68486674
But you're talking about it in an entirely different context to how it works in cricket
>>68486681
>operative word
>i-i-i-i-it's just semantics!
KEK
Keep dodging my truthbombs
>>68486697
Then cricket uses the word wrong.
>the way in which something, especially an organization or equipment, is organized, planned, or arranged.
>Organized
>Planned
>Arranged
How is setting up in cricket different from every other sport in existence (i.e. using knowledge of your opponent to [hopefully] exploit them)
>>68486747
>different context means different definition
K
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>>68480841
it's chess
>>68486697
>he said "set up" in a different vernacular, b-b-b-better say something!!!!!
Poo harder
>hitting a 100 mph fastball is the hardest skill in sport.
Seriously, its not even a competition. The skill sets arent even specialized in cricket
>>68486769
He can't cogently reply, so he greentexts and "keks."
Again, how is "setting up" your opponent different in cricket than every other sport and game in existence?
>1 v 1 is the most elite
>tennis is the best 1 v 1
>>68485723
This makes no sense at all. Some of the best batsmen are indian manlets and the best bowler ever was a fat australian bloke whose diet consisted of smokes, VB and english teenagers.
Cricket is an ultimate game of skill.
In baseball you literally get a huge novelty sized padded and webbed catching glove, the ball soft and squishy and it is not even allowed to bounce!
In cricket you can unironically murder a batsmen without breaking a single rule. In baseball if you so much as through the ball anywhere outside of the batsman's designated swinging arc he doesn't even have to face another bowl, he just walks (walks) away and is spared from future embarrassment because some japanese dude didnt throw him a waste high full toss pie two feet outside off.
That's right, in baseball there is a pre-arranged bowl that inevitably is thrown every single fucking time. You can't bouce the ball (taking spin and seam completely out of the equation). You cannot change the angle of delivery. You cannot bowl boucer yorker combos. You cannot work on the bowl for half a day until it starts reverse swinging. There are no off cutter slow balls, there are no googlie wronguns there are no flippers or skidders or chinamen. Just full tosses outside off every single fucking ball.
Finally, and this is the clincher, the batsman unironically gets three chances. If you are playing in your back yard against your seven your old niece bowling heat you may just give her a second chance if you get her out first bowl, but otherwise in cricket you make one tiny error your day is over. In baseball, you can fuck up and the umpire is like "lmao take it back you can have two more goes at that."
bulletball
>>68480841
cuz I made a racket when I gave ur mum 40-love and deuced in her cunt
>>68487042
t. alex doropopopolopodopolopopolopodolus
>>68487000
G O O S E
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>>68487000
>In baseball you literally get a huge novelty sized padded and webbed catching glove, the ball soft and squishy and it is not even allowed to bounce!
Baseballs reach much higher velocities off the bat than cricket balls do off their novelty size boat oars.
We're talking exit velocities of up to 123 mph:
http://m.mlb.com/statcast/leaderboard#exit-velo
Baseball players also field way, way more balls than cricket players. The all-time record for "catches" in cricket 210, spanning a 16 year career.
An infielder will field twice that many balls in one season. Also, cricket players don't have to throw the ball to their teammates like baseball players do. Yeah, try catching a 90-95mph throw from your 3rd basemen or SS barehanded over 500 times per season.
>That's right, in baseball there is a pre-arranged bowl that inevitably is thrown every single fucking time. You can't bouce the ball (taking spin and seam completely out of the equation). You cannot change the angle of delivery. You cannot bowl boucer yorker combos. You cannot work on the bowl for half a day until it starts reverse swinging. There are no off cutter slow balls, there are no googlie wronguns there are no flippers or skidders or chinamen. Just full tosses outside off every single fucking ball.
All proven to not make cricket batting any harder. Boat Oar + lower velocity = a much higher success rate on average, despite gobbly-gooks and whizbangers.
If what you say is true, then why is the longest at-bat streak without getting out in baseball only 17 at-bats (equating to about 85 minutes of batting time) while cricket batters can stay alive for hours upon hours?
>>68487000
Hot damn these are some spicy truth bombs right here, Terry. Mind the windows!
>>68487000
Americans will never understand the depth of knowledge that goes into cricket. For example, in cricket a seasoned veteran can look at the colour of the pitch and get a good idea about how the game will play out, which bowlers will perform best, which batsmen will struggle and on which time of day wickets will fall.
I havent even gotten started on tactics. In baseball the tactics consist of, "let's hit the ball hard lmao." The Pitchers tactic is "Ayyyy let's through the ball fast". Just put three fielders on the designated fielder positions, have so comically dressed dude to act as wicket keeper and fuck it senpai just scatterthe rest in the designated 90 degree hitting wedge to which the batsman is limited. Field placments do not mater at all because the batsmen is forced, by the rules of the game, to hit it at the fielders.
Want to use the pace of the ball to angle a finely placed glance? lol fuck off you have to whack it in the designated hitting wedge faggot. Want to play a defensive stroke to keep out a good ball? Too bad dickhead you can't choose to do that just whallop it you goof! There is absolutely no vairiety in the game, no situational decision making required of the batsmen and no aspect of sustained mental fortitude.
All the nuances of the gentleman's game will never be understood by "lowest common demoninator" baseball fags who are more interested in how many toppings they can fit on their hotdogs, or how many roids they can put in their mexicans, than anything to do with their game. Baseball has about as much subtlety as american music, that is to say none at all.
>>68487155
Just fucking WATCH as some amerilard breaks out curveballs and occasionally not putting a man on 3rd base as """"""tactics""""""" as a """response""" to this elite, based, muscular, powerful, gifted, elaborate, handsome, popular and charming truth bomb.
>>68487155
All wrong.
The biggest killshot against the "depth," "difficulty," and "complexity" of the "sport" of cricket is the fact that Indians and Pakis, the most unathletic people in the world, are some of the best in the world.
Damn Australia going in hard
Hitting is a lot harder when you're not holding a literal boat oar.
>During his benefit year in 2008 Marcus Trescothick organised a baseball match between Somerset and the Great Britain national team, who are, as you might imagine, a fairly amateur bunch. The cricketers were hammered 21-1. Oddly enough it was the better batsmen who found it hardest to adjust. James Hildreth, his instincts honed by a lifetime spent practising with a high left elbow couldn't help but try and play cover-drives. Hard to do when you're holding a Louisville slugger.
21-1 against a baseball team that is probably on the level of a decent American HS team.
Yep, the immense batting skill of these cricket players sure helped them hit those full tosses rather easily.
>>68487178
>Posts about knowledge and tactics
>u-u-u-unathletic people play it
Literally a non-response
>>68487227
Because you never hit waist high full tosses that way in cricket. The skills aren't transferable you dumb shit.
>>68487227
The fact that the batsmen found it hardest to adjust shows that you're comparing different things.
>>68487275
Baseball players don't seem to have a problem adjusting.
>Ruth is supposed to have told Bradman: "I'll try this cricket business. Maybe it's my game." Ruth did, eventually. He came to England in the winter of 1935, and played a little cricket when he was in London. He struggled while he was taking an orthodox guard, so he switched back to his baseball stance and started walloping some net-bowlers to all parts. "Sure I could smack the ball alright," he told the press afterwards. "How could I help it when you have a great wide board to swing?"
>Alan Fairfax was happy about the progress his new celebrity student appeared to be making. "In a fortnight, I could make one of the world's greatest batsmen out of him," he told the assembled press.
No record of Bradman trying baseball. Probably because he knew beforehand he has no chance at hitting something unless using the requisite boat oar.
>>68487155
>off you have to whack it in the designated hitting wedge faggot.
>Foul balls are good balls in cricket
But muh gobblygooks
>>68487312
Wow what a convincing argument. I could go into the nets and wallop a few 100 kph pies around too
>>68487227
>Yep, the immense batting skill of these cricket players sure helped them hit those full tosses rather easily.
Thats the wrong conclusion to make m80. Plenty of teams get shut out or only score 1 run in a game. The fact that they gave up 21 runs indicates that pitching is the least transferable skill between the 2 sports.
Also
>poms
>playing the short ball well
KEK
>>68487227
First of all, your benchmark player, Marcus Trescothic, is a literal meme of utter incompetence and failure within cricketing circles and James Hildreth and the rest of the somerset team are literal whos. The fact that cricket players could play an actual game of baseball is far more than can be said of baseball players who would not be able to complete a legitimate delivery and would be retired hurt after taking bouncers to the ribs.
>>68487312
>A 80 year old publicity stunt is clear evidence of anything
>>68487330
>pls throw it in the designated hitting zone
>>68487227
>James Hildreth, his instincts honed by a lifetime spent practising with a high left elbow couldn't help but try and play cover-drives
Based Hildy
>>68487000
>warne
>best bowler ever
KYS
>>68487394
>Its a bleached headed cock gobbling sydney cunt
>>68487345
Those were different times, more nationalism, especially between English and Americans. I doubt those bowlers wanted to be showed up by the big fat American baseball player playing their English "gentleman's game."
Yes, I'm sure those bowlers weren't world class, but I doubt they gave Ruth gimmies.
And whether or not Alan Fairfax's endorsement was sincere, we'll never know.
Graham Gooch also tried his hand at a home run derby. Lost to a 56 year old 0-3.
Bart King? Regarded as the best bowler of his era. A converted baseball player.
>pitches rarely even see out the 9 innings
KEK. Meanwhile cricGOD bowlers regulary bowl 50+ overs in tropical conditions and can run up to 30kms a day
>>68487411
no, it's a big strong best australian
>>68487417
>but I doubt they gave Ruth gimmies.
of course they did, it was a publicity stunt.
they couldn't injure their Big Strong American guest.
>Graham Gooch also tried his hand at a home run derby. Lost to a 56 year old 0-3.
We've been over this. Someone who's dedicated their life to playing cricket shots can't suddenly play baseball shots
>Bart King
literally who
>they're still going
good work gatecuck
good work daniel
good work statsy
>>68487428
unfortunatly its a pom m8
>>68487387
Who cares about the facility of that cricket team. They were playing the Great Britain National Baseball team, who are, relatively speaking to real baseball teams, a bigger mess of incompetency.
> A 80 year old publicity stunt is clear evidence of anything
[citation needed that it was a pure publicity stunt]
>pls throw it in the designated hitting zone
And it's proven cricket players can't hit when a ball is thrown in that zone (unless given a boat oar).
>>68487227
KEK
I remember you now. Literally every few months you post this inane drivel, get BTFO by elite truth bombs and run off to a corner to cry
>>68487312
>80 year old anecdote about playing in the nets
Hitting the ball is obiously easier in cricket. The point is that building an innings, judging the pitch, adapting to the different bowlers, finding the gaps in the ever changing fielding positions has more depth to it than building your reflexes to luckswing a ball in the rough direction where you know fielders won't be. Leaving 'balls' and occassional bunts/walks isn't on the same level.
Baseball players would luckswing a few boundaries and get out. Like every novice with decent hand eye coordination who tries to play cricket.
>>68487460
Just coming in to say that there are quite a number of times that your gif happens in cricket
Except they don't have gloves on
That is all
Continue
>>68487435
>Bart King
> Sir Pelham Warner described Bart King as "one of the finest bowlers of all time",[3] and Donald Bradman called him "America's greatest cricketing son."[4]
He blew out your national team, as well.
>After a tour to Philadelphia by an Australian side in 1896,[25] George Giffen said "the Philadelphians really have some high-class players, but it was the fact of their bowlers playing us with baseball curves that upset our batsmen."[8]
>When the Australians came to bat, they had hoped that they were recovered from their journey, but they soon encountered Bart King's developing swing. The side was all out for 199, and King took 5 wickets for 78 runs.
>>68480841
Chessboxing is the hardest 1v1 sport.
>>68487491
>1896
You're joking right
>>68487491
>1896
KEK
Cricket wasn't even fucking professional then mate
>>68487491
>5/78
>Elite
KEK
>>68487491
>1896
kek
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K-E-K
This fat shit used to dominate bowling and batting for decades back then. Cricket was a fucking joke that rich people played on the weekends
Literally half of the bowling techniques used today didn't even exist back then.
Wasn't this thread about 1v1 sports?
Cricket and baseball don't belong here.
>>68487491
>1896
>>68487155
>no strike count
>no base runners
>no batting order
>no stolen bases
It's literally baseball where every pitch is a full-count, no-runners-on situation. The only variable that adds strategy to cricket is the number of outs you have, and the number of batsmen you have left to do that.
Yeah, the pitches are probably more variable because they can bounce off the ground, but you still just take every pitch independently of the last one.
>>68485661
America: the post
>>68487491
>5/78
>good
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>>68487488
No.
He had to cover considerably more distance to run that ball down than a cricket outfielder.
From home plate to where he caught that ball is around 400 feet. Trout probably covered about 90 feet to catch that ball.
Most of the "great" cricket catches are balls hit right to them.
Like this joke of a catch (a routine pop up in baseball).
http://www.businessinsider.com/gif-chris-lynn-cricket-catch-2014-4
>But he was able to evade hitting the barrier!
Show me a cricket player running 80-100 feet to catch a ball.
>>68487543
>confusing tactics with strategy
KEK
>>68487569
Oh my god for the last fucking time we don't care about your god damn """"athleticism""""
Cricket doesn't pretend to be athletic. That's not what it's about.
I was just simply pointing out the false statement in your filename (though it is unlikely you would see pakis do it, they're known for being fat fucks who don't bother)
>>68487543
err, number of points you need, not number of outs you have
All these 1896 greentexts, and not one Paki ITT can find an example of a cricket player, in any year, successfully transitioning to baseball.
Hell, we had a baseball player transfer to being a cricket coach in this past decade. That's how simple the game is to learn.
but muh gobblygooks!
>>68487596
Not that guy but.. What is cricket about? Most sports are about athleticism and knowledge of the game.
Is cricket all knowledge of the game?
>>68487569
>Outfield catches
>Impressive
There are plenty of goo outfield catches but no one cares about them as they are the easiest catches to make.
You put your scrub fielders in the outfield for this very reason. Impressive catches rely on reflexes, instincts and hand eye coordination. Also dont really get how you can enjoy any catch when you have an enourmous catching bucket attached to your hand.
>>68487569
When you scale that length to cricket fields you'll find that its comparable to 35-45 feet, becaues otherwise the ball has been hit out of the park
>>68487640
It's about precision and skill mostly. Honestly, if it were invented today it would be a total niche sport. Batting is about timing, balance, shot selection, stamina and very occasionally power. Weirdly, batting in common has more in common with fencing than it does with something like golf, a purely swinging sport. It's about footwork a lot of the time.
Bowling is like something like darts. It's all about accuracy, as well as what you do with the ball. While there's no area to aim for per se there are definite places that make it awkward or difficult for the batsman to hit, which is where you're aiming for. Bowling CAN be about speed and athleticism, but most of the time people elect to bowl slower than they can and be accurate. If you bowl super fast and let one go that doesn't bounce, as the baseball fans ITT have rightly pointed out, it's easy as fuck to knock it out of the ground, even if it's a bit faster.
In addition to that, tactics and strategy, as well as most of the stuff from baseball like field placements and changeups/slower balls etc etc.
>>68487596
>I was just simply pointing out the false statement in your filename
How is it a false statement when you just literally agreed that you won't see cricket players dead sprinting for 80-100 feet to make a jumping/diving catches?
I've seen great cricket catches, and most of them are like this:
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/australia-steve-smith-superman-catch-cricket-world-cup
Nice catch. Not going to hate. But the ball is hit in the player's genera direction. Also, the ball is probably not travelling at anywhere near line-drive baseball speeds.
Not "hating." You can't just generate those exit velocities in Cricket due to the wider surface area of the bat and the slightly heavier ball.
>>68487640
Cricket is about decision making. It is ball selection against shot selection. Also field positioning is also massive.
>>68487656
>There are plenty of goo outfield catches but no one cares about them as they are the easiest catches to make.
Pop flies?
I just want to see one clip of a cricket player dead sprinting for 30 yards and leaping for a diving catch.
And due to the higher exit velocities in baseball, fly balls will reach higher altitudes on average, making them more difficult to track.
>>68485800
>we all know niggers aren't as skilled as whites
lmao the greatest and most skilled footballer of all time (Lionel Messi) is a black man, try again senpai
Loving this baseball fielders taking catches with giant gloves is impressive meme.
Although burgers actually running 30 yards is impressive
>>68487640
To give an example of the precision needed in cricket, this webm >>68486291 is often cited as one of the best balls of the last few years. It's a bit hard to see why from that footage but basically
>height
The position that he bounces it is perfect. It bounces just just just high enough to hit the top of the wickets (to get him out). Bounce any shorter and it's an easy shot to take a mighty swing at. You try swinging at a ball at that height and you're probably going to hit it straight in the air.
>line
He's bowling it at the stumps, but it's in the perfect line so that Cook (batsman) HAS to play it, he can't leave it alone, because he knows it could bowl him (which it did, but that's for another reason). If it was any wider he would have just ignored it, any straighter and it would have been an easy block.
>deviation
Harris is not bowling that fast. Cook is one of the best batsmen in the world. It's around 85mph at a guess. Cook isn't fazed by that. but if you look at where it bounces, Harris gets it to land on the seam perfectly, and just that tiny bit of movement from the seam gripping more moves the ball to the right straight past Cook's bat and bowls him. It's not about the power of his bowling or doing it really quickly, it's about precision. Nor is batting about power, Cook would normally just wait it out until the bowler bowls one that is easier for him to hit, it's about patience and timing.
So to do that, Harris has to not only land the ball in a spot about the size of the ball itself, but he has to land it on a particular part of the ball (the seam) and get it to move slightly to the right (not left, that wouldn't get him shit against a left handed batsman at that angle). THAT is the precision required to get guys out.
Best part about that ball?
It was the first fucking ball of the game.
>>68487796
>Loving this baseball fielders taking catches with giant gloves is impressive meme.
>Loving this cricket fielders catching 50mph bloopers and routine pop flies "bare handed" is impressive meme.
I mean, it's not like Australia hired a former baseball player as their fielding coach.
A Pakis hand would explode if he had to deal with this kind of speed, even if you gave him a glove.
>>68487846
Oh my god they've being hiring baseball coaches for fielding for decades man let it go
Fielding is a meme in cricket, it literally doesn't matter. The game is bat v ball (why I consider it a 1v1 sport), but recently they invented a new form of cricket that is LITERALLY just baseball 2.0 so no shit they got baseball coaches.
Why do ameriburgers think that the velocity of the ball leaving the ball is equal to when it finally reaches the catcher some 400+ft away? Does air resistance not apply to baseball?
You don't seriously think your catchers are gloving the ball at 115mph do you? ...Do you? Jesus, I think you guy actually believe that.
>>68485073
I've played both in a team and Baseball is way more difficult
I was actually watching some baseball the other day and the commentators were going on about how the "switch" has become so prevalent in baseball in the last few years. For anyone who doesn't know what that is, it's when they move their fielders to where they expect the batter to hit it rather than just have them stand in the same positions all day. A truly staggering tactical initiative, I wonder if cricket will ever catch up?
>>68487864
I agree. I'm just debating for shits-and-giggles really.
Baseball is typically described as a "fielding game," so you're on point about citing the 1v1 Bat and ball nature of cricket compared to baseball's more defensive gameplay.
Honestly, they're not even comparable sports aside from a few similarities.
It would be like comparing carom billiards to pool. "They both feature hitting balls into each other a table with a stick! They're the same thing!"
I'll leave off with don't let cricket die. Keep it alive. Keep bat-and-ball games alive.
Case in point<<<
>>68487914
I thought they were still stuck on the leftie/rightie thing
>>68487846
That is because baseball players have the GOAT throwing arms,and this guy was brought in to teach throwing to cricketers. Aside from that there are not really that many transferrable skills between cricket fielding and Baseball fielding. No one is trying to say that baseballers cannot throw a ball, it is one of the two skills required by the sport.
In cricket fielding is more holistic, it is about placing the fielders in very specific positions and bowling to that particular field setting. It is less about relying on the fielder to create individual moments of brilliance.
>>68487864
Fielding is not a meme. Fielding can win games. T20 is really not that similar to baseball but fielding is definitely more important in that part of the game.
>>68487896
"More difficult" Saying a sport is more difficult makes no sense at all. Baseball is harder to score a run, which is why a cricket players scores fifty each innings and why a baseball player scores a run every 4 innings or whatever it is.
>>68487914
Did they seriously not set fields to individual batsmen?
>>68487749
>And due to the higher exit velocities in baseball, fly balls will reach higher altitudes on average
Which also gives a greater flight time
>making them more difficult to track.
m8 the human eye can detect a candle flame from ~2.5km away, it can track a fugging baseball
>>68487818
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I'll be honest and say that I don't know shit about cricket and some of what you said was a bit confusing. I did play baseball for many years like most American boys.
The webm you linked was interesting. After the ball hit the ground it stopped rotating just like a knuckleball in baseball. Is that normal in cricket?
>>68487896
I'd find baseball more difficult because I've never fucking played it before but that doesn't make it a harder sport
>>68487932
I know, the only reason I watch baseball is because of fielding. Everything else about it is a poor man's T20.
>>68487914
Lul
You can't even "bowl" a ball overhanded
Nice "sport" you got there
>bog strong americans please watch our poort and notice how smart we made it for you!!!!
kek
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>>68487895
in that pic I posted, were those distances 400 feet?
And yes, I know about velocity loss. They did an analysis of how fast Chapman's 105mph fast ball actually is by the time it crosses home plate, and it lost about 10mph.
"Perceived" velocity is still north of a 100, though (the eye can't track a baseball thrown that fast over the last 5 to 6 feet).
>"In the last few feet before the plate, the ball reaches an angular velocity that exceeds the ability of the eye to track the ball," Fuld told LiveScience. "The best hitters can track the ball to within 5 or 6 feet of the plate."
So those balls hit to shortstops and 3rd basemen at 115 mph are still in the 90-95mph range.
You ain't barehanding that. Maybe once or twice, but not over the length of the season without your hand turning into jelly.
How do I into Tennis? How do I get good at Tennis?
>>68487985
>After the ball hit the ground it stopped rotating just like a knuckleball in baseball. Is that normal in cricket?
That's a side effect of the seam deviation. Basically, as you see it coming out of his hand he tries to keep the seam upright, to increase the chances of it landing on it (also to create swing but that's another story). The seam is rolling end-over-end when he lets go. The seam not only has extra grip on the pitch because of the string, but it's raised so it causes it to bounce to the side. The rotation you see is just a side effect of it jutting to the side a bit
The movement is often a little bit unpredictable, so it's a common way of getting batsmen out, but it takes some skill to be able to land it on it like that.
A couple of spin bowlers do knuckleball equivalents (Sunil Narine is one) but they're not as effective with cricket balls, you're better off trying to get the ball to move off the ground or swing in the air.
This is another webm of seam deviation, from the series this month. It moves to the left to catch the edge of the right hander, pretty common way of getting out.
Man you americans are so fucking soft.
>Muh hands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ANBewmvhA
>>68487989
>Everything else about it is a poor man's T20.
Why do you say that?
You actually don't believe baseball players just swing as hard as they can hoping to make contact?
>>68487569
Those are the easy catches lad
The hard ones are meme reflex catches like at short leg.
>>68488074
>Calls us soft
>Guy who caught the ball is wearing a helmet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKQ96gLOgR0
>>68488077
No, but you could say the same about T20. Technically they don't try and hit EVERY ball for six, but it sure as hell feels like it sometimes. There are ""tactics"", they're all just peanuts compared to test cricket.
>>68488110
LMAO that guy got nailed. But yeah this reminds e of when i sured to bowl in net sessions and the batsman starts teeing off hitting striaght drives at you. Fuck that can be scary, you are just basically praying you dont get hit.
>>68487932
KEK who the fuck wrote that article? Australians love sports and we play a lot of sports casually. Everyone in the country had played soccer, hockey, basketball or even meme shit like ultimate frisbee, European handball and softball at some point in time and we're all familiar with the rules. Some people even play for clubs in those areas, particularly with soccer. When it comes to sports that people actually take seriously, it's only cricket internationally, rugby league in Queensland and New South Wales and AFL in WA, SA, the Northern Territory and Victoria.
Literally the only people that watch soccer are wogs.
>>68488110
Because people literally die otherwise lad
It happened just over a year ago
>>68488169
>When it comes to sports that people actually take seriously, it's only cricket internationally, rugby league in Queensland and New South Wales and AFL in WA, SA, the Northern Territory and Victoria.
and Besedby Basedion in GOATberra
>>68488198
ACT is a meme
>>68488181
>It happened just over a year ago
I know about it. And it was kind of a fluke accident.
>The Australian team doctor, Peter Brukner, noted that only 100 such cases had ever been reported, with "only one case reported as a result of a cricket ball"
The injury itself is highly rare. Ball just must've hit him "perfect."
Sad.
>>68488206
>ACT is a meme
>lists WA, SA and the NT
(you)
>>68488212
Rare for someone with a helmet on
You can still suffer serious accidents in cricket. Mark Boucher was almost blinded and Mark Vermeulen ended up with epilepsy after being hit, went nuts and tried to burn down the largest cricket ground in Zimbabwe
>>68488110
have you ever been hit with a cricket ball?
>>68487864
>Fielding is a meme in cricket, it literally doesn't matter
t. fat manlet
>>68488249
A cricket ball isn't considerably more dense than a baseball. And since a baseball often travels at higher speeds, I would say the amount of "killing" force is about equal.
Before batting helmets were a thing, many players died.
>Causes of deaths during a player's career include the aftermath of beanball. Being struck on the head by a ball was the most common cause of death before batting helmets were introduced to prevent this. Over a hundred batters have been killed in this way.
From this book<<<
>>68488279
>>68488282
So you've never been hit with a cricket ball, but you've read about it. Got it.
Maybe you should shut your fucking mouth before I rip your throat down and shove a cricket ball down it so fast you shit it out, you ignorant piece of shit.
>>68488298
https://youtu.be/R148pbWpA3Q?t=24s
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>>68488311
AW SNAP
>>68488311
STATSGOD
>>68488311
BASED STATSJESUS
NO CHILL WHATSOEVER
>>68488311
>Both balls have cork centers wrapped in string and leather
>A cricket ball weighs a whole 7-12grams more
I know what's "it is like" because I've been hit with a baseball.
Both can kill you just the same traveling at high speeds.
>>68488336
one game involves the players literally trying to kill you
the other has them throw it into your hitting zone
>>68488311
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>>68488344
Who is gonna die (outside of freak accidents, like balls bouncing and hitting you perfectly in the neck) when they're wearing all that armor and facemasks inspired by American football?
>>68488385
Guys like Mark Vermeulen, who suffered brain damage and had his skull fractured in two different places from a single ball
>>68488412
He's still alive.
Those injuries also happen in baseball.
>While Evan went through surgery for a fractured skull,
>Evan would spend a week in El Paso learning how to walk and talk again, then the real work began once he got back to Phoenix and started rehabbing at Barrow Neurological Institute.
>>68488484
did he end up with insanity?
I'm not saying they don't happen in baseball, but it's an actual tactic in cricket and encouraged by the rules
>>68488494
>did he end up with insanity?
No. But head injuries affect everyone differently.
>but it's an actual tactic in cricket and encouraged by the rules
But it does seem the protective gear they have makes serious injury in that regard a rarity.
I'm not criticizing that, either. No one should die or suffer a a lifelong injury from playing a sport.
Hitting batters used to be a tactic in old timey baseball. Yeah, the pitcher would allow a base, but then the hitter would be mentally fucked the next time he came up to bat, since deaths from beanballs were more common back then.
>>68488311
Nice post Mark.
>>68488567
this is still allowed in cricket, and happens frequently. it's not like it's a one off things oooh he got hit there's a constant physical threat, at least in baseball it's illegal and you get runs in cricket you gotta get back up and wait for the next ball all of 20 seconds later
>>68487178
>doesn't realise their was a 6'0 paki that could hurl the ball down at 100 mph
lmao at this casual
>>68487155
>>68487000
just end the thread now they've summed up why cricket is so much more complex than baseball even though the BSA's will never understand what their saying
>>68489002
point in case, england in the 2013 Ashes
Mitchell Johnson LITERALLY caused the best English spinner of all time to quit mid tour, England's best batsman to have a mental breakdown, their highest run scorer of all time to be ostracised from the team and half the team to retire.
>>68489130
DELETE THIS
>>68489109
>implying complexity makes a sport superior
face palm .jpg
>>68489226
>this flag
>this post
>>68489226
da fuk, would you prefer to watch the same thing happen over and over or something interesting and unique potentially occuring every time a ball is pitched/bowled? if you had a free choice not factoring in health/diet etc you would want to eat different foods every day to have new experiences, you would get bored of the same old shit
>>68488311
Holy fuck based statsGod has done it again
Have Big Strong Americans finally been exposed?
What is going on?
/cric/ has gone completely postal and I dont think that Small Weak Americans will ever truly recover.
>>68485498
> The paddle has an 800% greater surface area than a baseball bat in addition to baseball pitches being of much greater velocity
Almost stopped reading right here.
>Ronaldo's fastest in game sprint speed: 20.8mph
>Mike Trout: 21.15mph
1st, Ronald is fast, but there are much faster guys, 2nd, why are you comparing the sprint speed of someone who plays a game continually for 90min with that of someone who barely moves in 3h?
Fuck this shit.
Fucking americans.
>>68485924
GOAT comeback, in 2016 UFC this would've been stopped 7 seconds in
>>68491876
its more the fact that Trout is considered slow in most sports and he is still faster than Ronaldo is at his peak speed.
>>68487155
The limited options is exactly why it's so hard.
Batters usually have one job, square up a round ball with a round bat.
Pitchers have to give the batters something they can hit or they walk the game away.
Fielders have to make the plays, a single misplay could cost the game.
It's a simple game, you have to do what you have to do and if you don't have the ability to square up a baseball or to locate a variety of pitches (and throw 90+) within the already small strike zone then you're fucked.
Cricket players have more luxury to play with.
Bowlers can throw it in a huge area, they don't have to throw anything the batter can surely smash, and if he does smash it runs aren't at a premium anyway, he can just get him the next tim, keep chipping away. Bowlers will just keep tossing hoping the ball bounces off the seam and he can get an lbw or an edge caught. Obviously theres tons of strategy in how and where to bowl and where to place the fielders, but in the end that's what it is more strategy and less skill, with high reliance on luck.
Baseball on the other hand is less strategy, more skill for precision execution of pitches around the strike zone, and with similar reliance on luck that if he hits it it will go to a fielder.
Batting I think is very similar in both sports, in terms of the general approach to it. A good batter will be able to lay off or fight off bad/tough pitches, and punish any mistakes. A great batter will be able to lay off or fight off bad pitches and punish those same tough pitches at times as well.
The difference is that in baseball, fighting pitches off is much harder and if the pitcher is really executing well then you're most likely fucked. In cricket it's possible to fight off or lay off balls almost endlessly unless the bowler happens to bowl an insane ball or you face an unlucky bounce. I'd say batting is basically all skill in both sports, with cricket needing the added element of endurance and baseball power and/or speed
>>68499934
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Fielding is pretty different. Cricket fielding is almost all about strategy, baseball is almost all about skill. Like you said the players the fielders are generally in the same spots, so it's all about the skill to make more plays than the next guy if you want an edge. Fielding mistakes are very costly in both
Basically yeah cricket has more depth and more strategy, more 'nuances'. But like I was arguing before I went to bed, baseball is more purely about skill.
As for the athleticism part, I guess baseball players are generally faster and stronger, cricket players have endurance and flexibility. Varies by positions of course.
Baseball is GOAT. Skill sport with a great amount of strategy and flashiness. And it doesn't take 5 fucking days.
t20 > odi > test
Faggots
Also baseball is harder because there is more to compete with. You got them baseball bred Dominicans and Venezuelans, Cubans and Puerto Ricans, japs, all where it's the top sport. And of course BIG STRONG AMERICANS, and a few other first world countries too. Meanwhile cricket has the 4th tier athletes from England, a handful of white boys from South Africa and surroundings, a couple million faggot australians, a tiny and dwindling number of caribbeans. And fucking street shitters. B-but there's billions of em. Doesn't fucking matter, they're fucking curries, they can't do shit. Most of them are so fucking poor they've probably never even seen a cricket bat, and they're so fucking malnutrition that they will never make it anywhere. And 99% of the small percent of 'wealthier' Indians definitely aren't making their kids play fucking cricket, those fuckers are studying. Basically India = absolute trash at sports, but we all knew that
Wew
Broodwar or quake duel
>>68491876
Based Portugal defending our sport
>>68499960
>Also baseball is harder because there is more to compete with
Kenya
Papua New Guinea
United Arab Emirates
Turk and Caicos Islands
U.S. Virgin Islands
Barbados
Guyana
Jamaica
Leeward Islands
Windward Islands
St Helena
Bahamas
Bermuda
Trinidad and Tobago
Afghanistan
Australia
New Zealand
South Africa
Zimbabwe
Bangladesh
India
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
England
Wales
Nambia
Nepal
Bhutan
Scotland
Ireland
Kuwait
Saudi Arabia
Oman
Guernsey
Jersey
Botswana
Nigeria
Uganda
Zambia
Ghana
>>68499934
>Batters usually have one job, square up a round ball with a round bat.
>Pitchers have to give the batters something they can hit or they walk the game away.
>Fielders have to make the plays, a single misplay could cost the game.
Literally all the same with cricket. A single mistake can cost you an entire game or series, as shown by shit like Brad Haddin in the 2015 Ashes, Herschelle Gibbs in the 1999 World Cup, Nasser Hussein choosing to bowl first in the 2002 Ashes and Ben Stokes in the latest T20 World Cup, just to name a few examples.
That goes for simple things like bowling too. You over-pitch a yorker by a centimetre and it's a free boundary. You get the line of a short ball slightly wrong or pitch it slightly fuller and it's a free boundary. There's a much larger area for them to play with, but realistically there's only half a dozen regions that the ball can actually be placed in without being considered shit.
>Bowlers can throw it in a huge area, they don't have to throw anything the batter can surely smash, and if he does smash it runs aren't at a premium anyway, he can just get him the next tim, keep chipping away. Bowlers will just keep tossing hoping the ball bounces off the seam and he can get an lbw or an edge caught.
You're seriously discounting the effect of a bad ball on both the bowler and the batsman. Bowling is very much a matter of rhythm. Once the batsman shakes the bowler out of their rhythm, they're often unable to bowl good balls again. The same goes with batting. If a batsman has his confidence shaken by a good ball/near miss or hasn't got his eye in, he won't be reading the ball properly and is going to fuck everything up.
Although the seam is important, that quickly softens up, and there's plenty of ways to get lateral movement without doing that. Some bowlers won't even bother using the seam at all.
>the pitcher is really executing well then you're most likely fucked
It's LITERALLY the same.
