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TEX:Rougned Odor homers, has walk-off double
HOU:Jose Altuve's big night not enough for Astros
DET:Fulmer keeps rolling with six scoreless
DET:Justin Upton homers, steals base in win
CHC:Jon Lester whiffs nine over eight scoreless
PIT:Mets/Pirates to play doubleheader Tuesday
CHC:Soler (hamstring) to undergo MRI on Tuesday
BAL:Mark Trumbo smacks MLB-leading 19th homer
NYY:Yanks top Angels behind Beltran's homer
KC:Cuthbert day-to-day with elbow contusion
HOU:Hinch: Astros to use closer-by-committee
CLE:Salazar (shoulder) pushed back in rotation
Cubs
E-even year
tribe
this is the greatest team of the live-ball era (1920-present), undeniably, sorted by WAR. and yes, it's the same if sorted it by JAWS.
and yes, I included Ruth, Gehrig and Hornsby because they played 1/2 or more of their careers in the live-ball era.
>>68198090
excuse me, sorted by WAR at their position. and HoFers are highlighted in case you're confused
>>68197926
chill f@m that road trip was 5-5
>still 4 game lead
schedule
>brewers
>rays
>phillies
>a's
Choo choo
>>68198090
>B-B-BUT RUTH ONLY PLAYED BUMS WHO WERENT ENLISTED
>>68198090
>>68198138
also, if you prefer men's bottom
>>68198305
>he deliberately cropped out the end of the dock with the "AL Wild Card Game" sign
>>68198374
I just saved it from a general thread like this. If there is another version then post it.
>>68198305
Didn't they get Royally BTFO last night?
>>68198312
I can't tell if you're saying Ruth isn't the best or not, but he played from 1914-1935 and, of course, had his best years in the twenties, after WW1.
>>68198411
It was a rough 7th inning but it was a damn good pitching duel through 6.
4-1 was the final. 3 were in the 7th.
>>68198434
Ruth is the GOAT, going off offensive and pitching stats. But Im making fun of people who said he only played during wartime while all the good players were enlisted
>>68198436
BTFO
T
F
O
Yanks
>>68198471
OK, just making sure (if you mean GOAT RF, overall GOAT between Ruth and Bonds is like Joe Montana and Tom Brady in NFL quarterback debates, they might as well be tied)
>>68198546
>He thinks Brady and Montana are GOAT
Casual detected
>>68198502
It was not a pretty 7th inning but I would not call it a BTFO game. The 7th? Yeah Duffy was BTFO. The rest of the game? He was holding his own quite well.
WHO /READYFORALMORA/ HERE?
>>68198588
reply
>>68198570
>the Red Sox did not learn from this disaster of a trade in signing Sandoval
le sigh
>>68198612
>he was good up until he started sucking
top zozzles maybe your shitty manager should have left Duff man in that long
>>68198641
If you think Brady is GOAT you are young as fuck m8. He's not even the best of this current era
>>68198658
take your shitty trolling to >/nfl/, I'm sure they'll love it
Why is Reddit so fucking bad.
I got banned from the Rangers subreddit for calling someone a bitch because they wanted people to stop booing David Freese
>>68198720
>I jumped into a cesspool and got shit on me, what the fuck guys?
>>68198644
Duffy was a middle reliever until recently. Why he was let go over 75 pitches? IDK. Yost and Eiland might have seen something, different than the fans, in Duffy and are trying to get him to 100 pitches an outing. To be honest with you Wright only faced 3 more batters than Duffy but threw 15 more pitches and only one more strike. Duffy isn't fully used to a SP role yet
>Eric Byrnes going off on a tangent on high heat with Russo
This guy is a fucking coke head holy shit
Reminder I predicted the blow Jays missing the playoffs during the offseason and I am most likely going to be correct
Indians
>>68198720
I kinda want to start a reddit account just to troll them
>>68198783
Shut the fuck up Tiki
>>68198720
>let's keep the rivalry on the field
lel
>>68198720
>>68198720
Glad I don't go there. LSB is better for the bants anyway
>These are my own calculations. You won't find them anywhere.
>that ESPN 2011 draft do-over
>Arizona could have had Mookie Betts and JBJ
>>68198720
reddit is not for bantz, it's for civilized discussion
>>68198903
>implying jbj is not simply having a meme season
I think you're fooling yourself if you think he's going to be this good consistently every season.
>>68198971
it's a fact, that's why I don't go there mr. samurai
>>68198974
>muh hypotheticals
I mean whatever you hope happens, meanwhile I'm going to sit back and enjoy what scouts called "The next Mickey Mantle"
>>68198974
I think people said the same thing about Taco Bellsbury.
>>68199009
well they were right
>>68199009
They were right
Literally what the fuck kind of name is Rougned Odor?
Odor is a shameful last name by itself, what were his parents thinking by giving him that fucked up name lmao
>>68199006
You're deluded if you think JBJ will sustain what he's doing. I'm not disparaging him as a player, but he's no where near betts or bogaerts.
>>68199009
They were right about Jokeby Lellsbury though
>>68199054
>http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/oddity-rangers-sign-rougned-odors-brother-rougned-odor/
>>68199013
>>68199009
>one hundred and fifty-three million dollars ($153 million) for nine (9) years
>six point 7 (6.7) WAR over two and a half (2.5) seasons
>>68198903
>Red Sox
>19th pick in the draft
>somehow managed to get JBJ, Betts, Swihart, and Shaw in the 2011 draft
>2/4 are all-star caliber
>Shaw isn't far below that level either
>Swihart looking fantastic until he just injured himself
>4 picks in the top 20 redraft
>the city of every other ballclub's GMs
>>68199074
>rags
>last first round pick pitcher who has extremely high upside but has already had TJS
Would you do it?
>>68199056
he is better defensively than either Betts or Xander and is better offensively than Betts
>>68199074
I fucking love the
>rags
>>68199054
it's because you Mexicans always smell like shit
BUILD THE WALL
>>68199091
Uh... How much are the Red Memes paying Sandoval and Price?
>>68199112
Wow, if only they can manage to not come in last place like they did last year
>>68199125
yes, TJS can actually make you a better pitcher than before
>>68199136
>better defensively
I will admit that hes a premier defender
>better offensively than betts and bogaerts
Have you been drinking anon? Both of these kids are MVP calibre. JBJ will never even sniff a chance at that.
>>68199204
I said better offensively than Betts, not Bogearts
Also JBJ is going to the ASG, cap it
>>68199222
>ASG is a metric of a players ability
Okay now I see what I'm dealing with.
>>68199238
and I see what I'm dealing with, no matter what I say you'll just guffaw and say I'm wrong because you insist on disregarding JBJ as a great player
>>68199253
>JBJ as a great player
>>68199253
Explain to me how a player goes from a career 230 hitter to a 29 game hitting streak and a top 5 avg/obp/ops in a matter of 1 season?
>>68199296
He's on that David Ortiz supplement routine
stop responding to fucking red memes you stuoid idiots reeeeeeee how many freaking times do i have to tell you
A's
>>68199296
Pilates
>>68199112
Theo is based at drafting
2004
>Pedroia
>Ellsbury
>Craig Hansen
>Buchholz
>Lowrie
>Daniel Bard (well, good for a while)
>Masterson
>Belt
>Reddick
>>Middlebrooks (rare fuck-up)
>RIZZO (fuck fuck fuck fuck)
>Based Christian Vazquez
>Shaw
>Garin Cecchini
>Swihart
>JBJ
>Betts
thank you theo
f
>>68199287
shut the fuck up, Old Gay
>>68199136
>better offensively than Betts
may be a stretch. this year is like the reverse of last year between the two at hitting
>>68199296
it's called player development, it's what the minors are for
>>68199354
>Buttholez
come on man
>>68199354
fuck, that's for his whole tenure not just 2004
>>68199296
>1.5 seasons from a young player
>career
Nice
>>68199354
>buttholez
>yfw trout gets one for da heim
>>68199354
maybe in retrospect the Rizzo deal wasn't that great, but it was ADRIAN GONZALEZ
It was a good deal
>
what team has the worst general manager
Can we get a most delusional fanbase power ranking?
>>68199367
>>68199410
you people act like he always sucked ass
he may be a shell of his former self now, but you need guys like him, plus if he wasn't injured sporadically in 2013 (while being ELITE when healthy) he'd have won the ERA title and could have had the best W-L %age since Maddux and Johnson in 1995 (.905 and .900 respectively, Clay went 12-1 for .923 but didn't have enough IP to qualify))
>>68199452
Padres? not such an easy question now that Amaro and Cherington are donezo)
>>68199456
1. Your teams fanbase
2. Other teams fanbases
9001. My teams fanbase
>>68199446
See Royals fans are shitting up the all star votes again
>>68199452
New York Yankees. I can't think of anyone significant on their team that was home grown talent
>>68199460
>using pitchers Wins and Losses as part of your argument
Is there a more meaningless stat in baseball?
>>68199456
1. Cusb
2. Memeiners
3. Rags
4. Doyers
5. Oriolels
>>68199460
Yeah I remember, then I remember him being clear by doctors like a billion times and sucking ass while he blamed injuries that didn't exist
Fuck him
>>68199446
>Lindor still not top 5
pls help
>>68199460
Clay Butholz looks like Theon Greyjoy after crystal meth
>>68199495
>no red memes
>>68199446
Thank fucking god Xander is pulling ahead of Memescobar
No one is more over rated on that list except maybe Cain
>KC suddenly into baseball
Fucking bandwagon fair-weather faggots
>>68199501
Its not his fault his team has no fans. He should be right behind bogaerts.
is there a more gay nickname in baseball than "salvy"
>>68199524
>No one is more over rated on that list
Hosmer.
who /doubleheadersweep/ here
>>68199559
Big Papi makes Ortiz sound like a gay latino porn star
>>68199567
Nah, Hosmer should be 2nd on that list, barely, but Cain shouldn't be on it at all
>>68199492
yeah, obviously W-L records aren't a fantastic measure of skill, but winning 90+ percent of your decisions isn't completely based on luck and run support.
>>68199559
see: every other player name in the pre-AL/deadball era
hey can you guys all tell the Canadian faggot that neets the general up that he's a huge faggot and has no idea what he's talking about even though he uses fancy new baseball expressions he just learned like meatball, groundball percentage, muh hard contact, etc etc? thanks.
though im sure with his twelve months of watching baseball he could help YOUR Jewish organization do exactly what they need to do to stop going down the gutter at lightspeed while playing +.500 ball
>>68199733
you are a huge faggot and have no idea what you're talking about, even though you use fancy new baseball expressions you just learned like meatball, groundball percentage, muh hard contact, etc etc
>>68198090
>mfw the three juicers never make the HOF
>>68199488
Betances is the only one that comes to mind currently on the team
>mfw james taillon debut
>>68198090
they'll either make it in their last year or via the VC. no way they get gypped forever
>>68199998
>qt girl and qt pupper miss quints by 1
>>68199999
>>68199524
You act like any team that makes back to back ALCS wins and WS appearances with a WS win wouldn't have bandwagoners.
Calm down. The ASG has been a popularity contest since they started online voting and this is hardly the first team to stuff the ballot box.
>>68199524
>No one is more over rated on that list
>Infante 2nd
>Moustakas 2nd
>Morales 2nd
>McCann 3rd
>Gordon and Orlando 7th and 8th
>>68200039
Sorry but I can't have your shit players ruining the chance for home field advantage for the Red Sox this year
>>68199559
Madbum
Big Time Timmy Jim
Whatever nickname for Kershaw pissboi has been scribbling on his walls in blood lately
>>68199446
>JBJ is now one of the 3 OFs
>JBJ is batting like .160 since the 29 game memestreak ended
The Absolute fucking Madman
playing the league like a fiddle
Why aren't the phillies winning
Royals
>>68200104
.250 exactly actually
>>68200039
>The ASG has been a popularity contest forever
ftfy
>>68197887
Got a notification about some Yankee minor leaguer named Joey dimaggo that has a pretty impressive hit streak
Just got one off a team called slb
>>68200039
>since online voting
you need to work on your baseball history, there is a specific famous even that changed the voting forever
>>68200144
Sorry my bad. It's just been more apparent since the advent of the online ballot.
>hire James Shields
>expect him to be anything besides shitty
>get mad in public when he, James "Shitty" Shields, ends up being shitty
>>68200162
yeah, I'm surprised 4/mlb/ hasn't organized a mass ballot-stuffing of its current meme players yet
>>68200074
it worked out just fine last year. the ninny league will always find a way to lose
>>68200192
he hasn't even pitched yet
>>68200153
>Joey dimaggo
hmm, never heard of that guy
>>68200215
50 angry weirdos aren't going to make a dent in the All Star tally, my love
>>68200253
kek
i'm sure there are way too many redditors with the same sentiment to not accomplish it
>>68199932
>A-Rod
>Teixiera
>Beltran
>McCann
>Sabathia
>Ellsbury
>Headley
All homegrown
>>68200348
Makes sense considering they all suck tbqh with you Joe.
>>68200348
you're being facetious right?
>>68200253
Kek
Name 1 good reason as to why Madison Bumgarner should not be in the home run Derby this year
I'll wait
>>68200348
literally none of those people are from the yankees system
>Starting Suarez instead of Bum
>>68200410
>>68200482
shhh
lurk more
>Soler officially on the 15-day DL
Dropping like flies
One
By
One
This is how it starts and this is how it will end
>>68200462
Didn't a pitcher manage to win it in the eighties?
>>68200547
it's a jint even year episode again, isn't it
fuck's sake
>>68200579
the gunts won't even make the NL wild card game. the "streak" is over
>>68200462
haha, you made me do a little math to check if you weren't full of bullshit
He has a 1/16 hr/ab this year, leaving him in the number SEVEN spot in the majors in the stat, right behind Ortiz and ahead of BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWtista
He should go
>>68200462
As if the all star game could possibly get any memier.
>>68200615
>He thinks the giants won't limp their way into a playoff spot, get red hot in October and meme their way to another ring
>>68200462
>>68200625
Sorry, I guess that was CAREER ab/hr, he's still in the top 25 though
>>68200652
Dodgers > Jints
Kershaw >>>> Bumshit.
>>68200701
>4 games back
>Andrew Romine starting for Cameron Maybin
>2016
>Days off
>>68200652
Every other year people fall for it man
2010 "They haven't won it in 50 years it'll be 2002 all over again"
2012 "The Tigers are the best team in baseball the jints have no chance"
2014 "They barely made the wildcard, they're not even real contenders"
>>68200742
>2012 "The Tigers are the best team in baseball the jints have no chance"
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/10/24/3549608/baseball-nation-predicts-the-world-series
#stoproyalsfans2016
People still bandwagon this shit team
>>68200701
>Kershaw > Bumgarner
>the date is later than September 30th
>>68200772
Why isn't Grant Brisbee working for Fox Sports already?
>>68200742
>>68200772
ENOUGH.
> Reddick
>>68200881
>he looked at the WS-losing strike three
lol
>>68199446
>more Royals cancer
>Marco Scutaro was Venezuelan
Really? I heard him speak constantly when he was on the Sox and had literally zero accent, thought he was Murrican
>>68200881
>Implying he knows how to pull a trigger
>>68200920
>on an 89 mph fastball right down the center of the plate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjtoh8hlZEU
>>68200989
A billion hours in the minors does that to you
>>68199446
>Swihart has more votes than Vazquez
what the fuck, Red Sox fans?
>>68201008
>Cabrera said "he had a gun in his bag for us," the officer said.
>The police reports do not indicate Cabrera had a gun.
>>68201020
To be fair he froze up because the previous pitches had set up that pitch but yeah you still gotta swing at that shit.
>>68201078
I was making a joke about >>68201020
>>68201090
Typical AB against Romo:
Slider
Slider
Slider
Slider
Fastball
Slider
Slider
Slider
Fastball
>>68200106
because theyre the phillies
>>68201020
>In the suggested videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vgJQyqWybo
>>68199446
Let's go Royals
>>68201143
>>68201143
>>68201143
Mets/Pirates if anyone cares
>>68200920
to be fair, he's not the only star player to have let the losing strike 3 go in the playoffs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWNe6cMsdsI
those Mets should have kicked the shit out of the Cards though.
and
>letting a 2-1/2-games-over-.500 team win the World Series
>Tiggers
Now I'm in a bad mood desu
>>68201228
>smacks HR's for the jints
>rides the red sox bench while collecting a cool 19M
based panda
>>68201228
He was too good for this world ;_;
>>68200547
>he thinks Soler was important
It's better if we don't have Soler right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Diw6WoO0jcA
So which one is the best?
>>68201228
Remember the level of shitposting the live thread generated after the second homer?
>>68201228
DELET THIS
>>68201228
>You now remember Verlander getting pulled after 4 in the most important game of his life
>>68201228
>you will never see Justin Verlander be as good in that regular season ever again
>>68201281
http://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/27289354/#27289354
>>68201395
>Scut
>>68201395
>You will never watch Verlandurr's career die in front of your eyes again
I am SO butt blasted right now watching these videos
>the state of Torii Hunter
>>68201520
>86 MPH
>right over the plate
>bases loaded
Absolutely deserved it.
Why don't the Orioles let their pitchers throw cutters or use pilates?
>Marlins prospect to undergo surgery after knife prank
>Lincecum will probably start Sunday with the Angels
good luck timmy i'll be pulling for you
>>68201395
>1st inning, 1 to 0
>LEL the tigers are finished, verlander is done for!
>>68201684
Cutters lead to TJS and they don't want their guys to get busted for Performance-Enhancing Pilates
>>68201773
DUDE
Who /comfy/ 10pm games here
>>68198630
>>68201395
I forgot about this website. Such good memories.
http://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/64073403/#64073403
>>68198778
They're coke heads
>>68201279
manny
are we still a playoff team
>>68202150
I'm gonna say maybe.
>>68202150
no
>>68198305
Yes?
>>68202150
>1st in the division to potentially 4th place tonight
The Braves will make the playoffs with a record of 98-64.
>>68202817
They'd have to play like .850 ball from this point forward for that to happen
>>68202872
>>68202888
I bet 1500 dollars on that outcome.
>>68202888
Actually, they'd have to play .780 ball exactly to match that exact record.
.780 ball for the rest of the season.
>>68199074
>Rougned Roberto Odor and Rougned Odor have an uncle Rouglas Odor, who has sons Rouglas Odor and Rouglas Odor and Roberto Odor. No typos here
>— Jake Seiner (@Jake_Seiner) February 19, 2015
kek what the fuck
who /1stplace/ here?
>>68203157
>>68203195
Look at how fucking pathetic those two fucking losers look. Bet you they're stashing their "pilates" in those baggy, unbecoming, disgraceful getups of theirs.
F**k off memelord.
>>68203157
Feels good
>>68203157
Who /BTFOingtheirentiredivision/ here?
who /stoned/ here?
>>68203232
whateves 2nd placer
>>68203157
>Rangers starting Jurickson Profar at 1B today after getting his first tutorial on the position yesterday
The Yankees need to decide if they're going to be a basement dweller, or a .500 team before the trade deadline. This is getting ridiculous.
>>68202150
I'll be objective by weighing the pros and cons:
Pros:
1. Navarro and Avila are two excellent defensive catchers who will ensure the continued success of the Who's? starting rotation. Sale and Q are elite, Carlos Rodon is pitching like Carlos Zambrano, Shields eats lots of innings and provides lots of quality starts so that the bullpen doesn't have to come in, and Gonzalez/Latos duke it out for that last rotation spot.
2. Jose Abreu will pick it up. His BB% and K% align with his previous seasons. He just needs to get the sweet spot of the bat to the ball more frequently and he his ISO will go up. The low ISO is bringing down his other numbers. Balls he's hit haven't gone out as much yet, but they will.
3. Todd Frazier keeps hitting dingers. The only negative thing about him is the low average, but everything else is excellent and consistent. He's a good player who is productive.
4. Bort has been above average and consistent, a tiny bit streaky, but good. Meanwhile, Tim Anderson is raking at AAA. He'll be up around the All-Star game to take over for J-Roll. He's an automatic upgrade and putting J-Roll on the bench strengthens it.
5. Adam Eaton is a stud in RF, one of the best. His offense is down because he's not hitting the ball as hard. His BB% is up, his K% is down from last year's 19% to 12.9%. He's just making weak contact. If he gets a little more aggressive, the ISO will go up and his offense could be closer to last year's.
6. Melky and Garcia are just average all around players and they need to keep doing that. If one of them has a good streak, it could result in some extra wins.
7. Robertson, Jones, Putnam, and Duke are all good and pretty reliable. Jennings has been good but probably won't keep it up like those four. Fat Albert will get cut and the Who's? will make a trade for bullpen help.
8. Possibly, Ventura finally gets fired and Renteria steps in. Renteria is a chill guy who is modern and knowledgeable with his managing skills.
>>68202150
>>68203408
Cons:
1. We're talking optimistically about the Who's?.
>>68203348
Just fucking suck already and gib us Tanaka and Miller.
We have plenty of other Nips that Tanaka can nip it up with us, and Cherington gave away Miller because hes dumb so I technically think you stole him from Baltimore who stole him from us.
>>68203447
>Wanting Tanaka's contract
I can almost guarantee that he's going to stay a Yankee
>>68203464
If he wasn't made of glass its not that bad. He's a bretty gud pitcher.
>>68203464
>im-fucking-blying that contracts are anything this team can't handle
We have like 200+ million rotting in the minors/bench.
We can handle a spare extra 200M with this """""""""""""""""""""""""""""pitching""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>68203348
Sloot looks like shes done n amateur home blowjob video
Wood get off to/10
>>68203408
>1. Navarro and Avila are two excellent defensive catchers
didn't read anything beyond this
they are absolutely abysmal defensively, is this a joke post?
>>68203348
Did Mike finally scare here away? She's never in episodes anymore.
>>68203583
I should have clarified that. They're not good "defensively," but they know how to catch. Pitchers like/love working with them, especially Avila.
And btw, I was playing Devil's advocate in that post, you fucking numb cock sucker.
hey mlb rate my offseason predictions
MLB Starting Rotation Power Rankings:
>Elite Tier
1. Dodgers
2. Rangers
3. Indians
4. Cardinals
5. Nationals
>Potential to rise into elite tier
6. Mariners
7. Yankees
8. Snakes
9. Mets
10. White Sox
>Passable tier, good/decent potential to be top 15
11. Pirates
12. Rays
13. Cubs
14. Red Sox
15. Blue Jays
>Disappointment tier
16. Giants (sorry Cueto)
17. Royals
19. Angels
20. Astros
>Shit tier
21. Brewers
22. Marlins
23. Padres
24. Athletics (sorry sonny)
25. Reds (sorry j.lamb future allstar)
>JUST tier
26. Orioles
27. Twins
28. Braves
29. Phillies
30. Rockies
>>68203789
>16. Giants (sorry Cueto)
lol
>>68203348
Gib Miller for even year memes please jints need bullpen help badly
>>68203789
>17. Royals
>19. Angels
>>68203157
>>68203260
>>68201877
5 more here
>>68203789
>Cubs starting 5 literally breaking live ball era records
>passable
>>68203762
they can't frame a pitch to save their fucking lives, I doubt any pitcher likes losing 10 strikes a game
who would you root for in a Cubs/Rags world series?
>>68203873
>Signing a player who was let go by his own dad
![1442743373405[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/l4VRG10.png "1442743373405[1].png")
>These are my own calculations. You won't find them anywhere.
>>68203897
Did I miss some hot new meme?
>>68203789
>16. Giants
Nigga what
>>68203808
>>68203927
>people talking about smardjihab as if he were a major league #3 or even a #4
>>68203922
DG shitposted yesterday by posting his personal top five cy young rankings for each league based on a WAR formula he created but he refused to share it. Kershaw had almost twice as much WAR as Syndergaard.
>>68203789
Apparently the Tigers didn't exist this offseason
>>68203972
>Kershaw had almost twice as much WAR as Syndergaard.
Jesus wat
>>68200701
>>68203789
>no 18
>>68200701
What's it like choking every year?
>>68203981
found em
http://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/68162379/#68187643
http://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/68162379/#68189361
http://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/68162379/#68188066
>>68204035
IP: 92.67/70.67 = 1.31
ERA: 1.91/1.46 = 1.31
so Kershaw has been approximately 1.31*1.31 = 1.72 times better than syndergaard
4.9/3.1 = 1.58
his formula is conservative desu
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Tigers probably were here
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Kek
